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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after day.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Our consciousness
Speaker 3: survives physical death and we'll talk more about that today
Speaker 3: with doctor Bob Davis, a former professor neurosensory research, scientist,
Speaker 3: film producer, and author. We'll talk about vertical evidence, terminal lucidity,
Speaker 3: deathbed visions, a shared death Experience. He has published four
Speaker 3: books and is the creator of the new documentary film
Speaker 3: called The Consciousness Connection. Here's doctor Bob Davis Well Sande.
Speaker 5: It's an absolute pleasure to be with you. I'm truly
Speaker 5: a big fan of you. Your book is fantastic and
Speaker 5: I love your show. As you mentioned, I was an
Speaker 5: edition for three decades at the State University of New York.
Speaker 5: I always had an open mind. I always followed the ufology.
Speaker 5: I saw two range jobs in the night sky, which
Speaker 5: led me to write my book to UFO Phenomenon. But
Speaker 5: two years later I had a shared death experience which
Speaker 5: would also call it an empathic death experience that led
Speaker 5: me to write the book Life After Death and Analysis
Speaker 5: of the Evidence. Two years after that, I had a
Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening which led me to write this book, Unseen
Speaker 5: Forces the integration of science reality knew and I got
Speaker 5: a phone call from a producer at Dreamtime Entertainment down
Speaker 5: here in Fort Myers, Florida, and he met with me
Speaker 5: for lunch and he said, let's turn this into a documentary,
Speaker 5: which we did and it's now streaming as you mentioned
Speaker 5: on consciousness dot Media. You can try their seven Day
Speaker 5: free trial and watch the film there. But during that
Speaker 5: two years that we were producing the film, interviewing many experts.
Speaker 5: It's in the area of neo death experiences like Bruce Grayson,
Speaker 5: Jeff Flong, Eben Alexander. I wrote the less book. What
Speaker 5: you mentioned, This five hundred page book, The Consciousness Connection,
Speaker 5: which basically takes us on a ride to the documentary.
Speaker 5: It's a detailed discussion of things that relate to consciousness,
Speaker 5: near death experiences, mediumship, esp consciousness, the brain, all things
Speaker 5: paranormal and everything in between. So now I need a break.
Speaker 5: I'm burned out and talking to you is making me
Speaker 5: feel a lot better.
Speaker 3: Oh that makes me happy.
Speaker 4: I don't have much of life.
Speaker 5: So I just spent hours every day over a two
Speaker 5: year period writing and it was cathotic. I was in pain,
Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you, and it took my mind
Speaker 5: off the pains. Had surgery, sent amount of pain and
Speaker 5: everything is fine. But the book was a blessing in
Speaker 5: many ways.
Speaker 3: And what a gift it is to others and the
Speaker 3: film as well. So, Bob, would you like to share
Speaker 3: some of the things that you're most passionate about as
Speaker 3: far as reasons to believe in the afterlife.
Speaker 5: The thing that moves me the most is critical perceptions
Speaker 5: during a near death as well as other body experience,
Speaker 5: and these vertical perceptions, or call them verifiable perceptions. These
Speaker 5: are cases that involve individuals having a near death experience
Speaker 5: will call them NDEs, of course, in which they encounter
Speaker 5: deceased individuals that they were not aware who had passed away.
Speaker 5: These are jewels of evidence that increased the validity of
Speaker 5: NDE reports and are significant in research in near death
Speaker 5: experiences as objective evidence that goes beyond subjective accounts because
Speaker 5: all we hear are anecdotal evidence and a lot of
Speaker 5: skeptics don't buy them. But individuals to report these vertical
Speaker 5: perceptions provide accurate and very specific details about physical surroundings,
Speaker 5: the conversations events that take place while they are unconscious
Speaker 5: or so called clinically dead flat EEG and a flat
Speaker 5: EKG for a period of time before their revived, and
Speaker 5: that confirmation is crucial in distinguishing a vertical perception from
Speaker 5: mere hallucinations or just a simple byproduct of the brain.
Speaker 5: When we were doing our interviews for our film The
Speaker 5: Consciousness Connection, we attended the International Association of Neo Depth
Speaker 5: Studies in Washington, d C. Where an array of elite
Speaker 5: researchers were there, and I talked with Bruce Grayson, by
Speaker 5: the leading NDE researcher, a psychiatrist, who told me a story.
Speaker 5: And he was saying that when he was an intern,
Speaker 5: while he was eating spaghetti sauce, he accidentally spilled the
Speaker 5: sauce on his tie. He suddenly got a call on
Speaker 5: his page or an emergency, and he wiped the sauce
Speaker 5: off the tie as much as he can, but he
Speaker 5: couldn't get rid of it completely. He went down to
Speaker 5: see the patient who was completely unconscious, actually close to death.
Speaker 5: He then left her, walked several rooms down the hall
Speaker 5: and spoke to the patient's friend to get more information
Speaker 5: about the patient. The next day, he sees that patient
Speaker 5: and she's wide awake and he's talking to her and
Speaker 5: he's evaluating her from a psychiatric standpoint, and she says
Speaker 5: to him, I remember you you visited me last night.
Speaker 5: And he says, that's not possible. You were completely unconscious,
Speaker 5: you were comatose. I know what you said to my friend,
Speaker 5: and she relayed exactly their conversation. Then she said, and
Speaker 5: you had that red stain on your tie, didn't you.
Speaker 5: From that moment, don he knew that there was something
Speaker 5: quite special about near death experiences. That started him on
Speaker 5: the road to researching near death experiences after hearing that
Speaker 5: validation from someone who's in a coma yet reporting accurate
Speaker 5: information when it's deemed impossible. Another story, he told me
Speaker 5: he had a patient. His name was Jack, I believe,
Speaker 5: and he was admitted the hospital with respiratory distress, had
Speaker 5: severe pneumonia, and while he was in poor condition, his
Speaker 5: nurse Anita said to Jack, listen, Jack, I have to
Speaker 5: go away for the weekend. I can't take care of you,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to have another nurse who's option. She's
Speaker 5: going to be with you and watch you closely. During
Speaker 5: that time, while Anita was gone, he had a near
Speaker 5: death experience, found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene and there,
Speaker 5: to his surprise, was his nurse, Anita, and she came
Speaker 5: walking towards him, and he did a double take and said, Anita,
Speaker 5: what are you doing here? And she said, Jack, you
Speaker 5: need to go back. I want you to go and
Speaker 5: find my parents, tell them I love them very much
Speaker 5: and that I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I wrecked the Red MGB.
Speaker 5: Now, this Red MGB was a fancy car, and this
Speaker 5: was back in the seventies in South Africa where there
Speaker 5: weren't many Red MGBs around. When Jack woke up in
Speaker 5: the hospital, he told the first nurse that he saw
Speaker 5: about the experience that he interacted with Anita and what
Speaker 5: Anita told him. That nurse, upon hearing that story, began
Speaker 5: crying and ran out of the room. Jack was then
Speaker 5: told that Anita took that weekend off to celebrate her
Speaker 5: twenty first birthday and her parents surprised her with a
Speaker 5: gift of a red MGB car. She got so excited
Speaker 5: that she jumped in the car, took it for a
Speaker 5: test spin, unfortunately, crashed it into a tree or telephone pole,
Speaker 5: and died immediately. Now, there is no way that Jack
Speaker 5: could have known how she had died, or that she
Speaker 5: even did die, yet he relayed that story to the nurse.
Speaker 5: Now that more than convinced Bruce Grayson that vertical perceptions
Speaker 5: are remarkably real and provide one hundred percent certainty that
Speaker 5: near death experiences represent a piercing of the veil.
Speaker 4: So to speak, of an afterl life.
Speaker 5: Or at least an out of body experience where you
Speaker 5: are still experiencing reality despite your body's sensory systems being
Speaker 5: completely shut down. And there are many instances of these
Speaker 5: kinds of ridical perceptions, these jewels of evidence that in
Speaker 5: my mind, that are the most convincing aspects of near
Speaker 5: experiences moving to me that this is not a phenomenon,
Speaker 5: but it is real, and the consistency of the reports
Speaker 5: is remarkable. Eben Alexander, he tells a story about when
Speaker 5: he had his ND and he's giving it practically a
Speaker 5: zero percent chance of living because of his bacterial meningitis.
Speaker 5: He said, during his end he was flying on the
Speaker 5: wings of a butterfly with a woman. I think you
Speaker 5: know the story, Sandra. After his ND, he received a photograph,
Speaker 5: a picture of a woman who who was his deceased sister.
Speaker 5: He didn't know he had a sister before he was born,
Speaker 5: and that picture of that woman was the exact person
Speaker 5: who accompanied him flying on the butterfly wings. So here
Speaker 5: again that more than proof to him that vertical perception
Speaker 5: validated his experience. This is the most convincing evidence that
Speaker 5: nd are indeed real. There's a study done with I
Speaker 5: believe ten to twelve people who were blind from birth.
Speaker 5: Their experiences during their NDEs are obviously quite unique because
Speaker 5: they don't have any sense of vision. But Jeff Long
Speaker 5: during my interview with him, Jeff Long is the founder
Speaker 5: of the Neo Death Experience or Research Foundation rf dot
Speaker 5: org is a website people should go to to read
Speaker 5: stories about NDEs and vertical receptions and all that. It's
Speaker 5: a remarkable collection of thousands of nd anecdotal evidence that
Speaker 5: would be a perfect master's thesis or dissertation for anybody
Speaker 5: wanting to study it. But I said to him, if
Speaker 5: there's one incident ND that is that made you a
Speaker 5: believer that this experience is real, what would it be?
Speaker 5: And he says, if I had to pick an nd experience,
Speaker 5: it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
Speaker 5: who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
Speaker 5: to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
Speaker 5: in her life.
Speaker 4: She saw herself.
Speaker 5: She was having an out of body experience during her
Speaker 5: near death experience. I forgot what led to her accident
Speaker 5: and her INDE, but her consciousness was above her.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with some more great stories from
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and we're back with scientists doctor Bob Davis with near
Speaker 3: death Experiences of the blind.
Speaker 5: Jeff Long during my to view with him, Jeff Long
Speaker 5: as the founder of the Near Death Experience or Research Foundation.
Speaker 5: I said to him that there's one incident ND that
Speaker 5: is that made you a believer that this experience is real?
Speaker 4: What would it be?
Speaker 5: And he says, if I had to pick an ND experience,
Speaker 5: it would have to be about a woman named Vicki
Speaker 5: who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision
Speaker 5: to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time
Speaker 5: in her life she saw herself. She was having an
Speaker 5: out of body experience during her near death experience. I
Speaker 5: forgot what led to her accident and her inde, but
Speaker 5: her consciousness was above her and her initial emotion, not surprisingly,
Speaker 5: was fear. Vision was completely unknown, unfamiliar to her. She'd
Speaker 5: know what she was looking at. And she says to
Speaker 5: Jeff Long, during my near death experience, I was able
Speaker 5: to see in front of me, am I, right on
Speaker 5: my left, and behind me. I had three sixty degree vision,
Speaker 5: which means, you know, being simultaneously aware of everything that's
Speaker 5: going on all around you. And Jeff Long had to
Speaker 5: explain to her, well, those people who are not blind
Speaker 5: have eye sockets and are able to only see in
Speaker 5: front and to the left and right, not behind but
Speaker 5: she left and left, and Jeff found out to be
Speaker 5: humorous because she couldn't understand how we have this high
Speaker 5: shaped visual field because of the location of our eye
Speaker 5: sockets and our skull. And there are other cases too
Speaker 5: of individuals who are blind Elizabeth Kobler Ross writes about this,
Speaker 5: who have similar experienceerienances where they, because of their NDE,
Speaker 5: are able to have visual perception just during that period
Speaker 5: of time. Now, to Jeff that was more than convincing
Speaker 5: that blind people who are experiencing SITE despite having detached
Speaker 5: retinas makes completely no sense at all. And him being
Speaker 5: a radiation oncologist, he's well aware of anatomy and physiology,
Speaker 5: and that's what motivated him to co found the near
Speaker 5: death Experience of Research Foundation after hearing experiences like this.
Speaker 5: There's terminal lucidity. It is a real phenomenon. It's well
Speaker 5: regarded and acknowledged among the medical community. Could be hours, days,
Speaker 5: or even weeks before they pass, suddenly regain full consciousness,
Speaker 5: even after years of having severe Alzheimer or a stroke
Speaker 5: or something that is severely impairing their capability of functioning,
Speaker 5: where they can't interact with people for a long period
Speaker 5: of time, but just prior to death, they regain full
Speaker 5: consciousness and act as if everything is normal. They're lucid,
Speaker 5: they'll sing, they'll engage in conversation, and then, despite their
Speaker 5: acting normal, to the astonishment of the family, they'll soon
Speaker 5: thereafter pass away. Terminal lucidity is often an indication that
Speaker 5: the person is going to die very soon, but we
Speaker 5: can't explain why that happens. It's maybe the last hurrah
Speaker 5: of the brain, but you really can't explain it. Neuroscientists
Speaker 5: can't explain terminal lucidity, at least not yet. But it
Speaker 5: gives the family the last moment of opportunity to interact
Speaker 5: with their loved one in a way in which they
Speaker 5: wish for. Despite the person soon dying thereafter, they had
Speaker 5: the person as they were before they had cognitive deficits
Speaker 5: or stroke, and it is a great relief and benefit
Speaker 5: to those loved ones.
Speaker 3: It's miraculous and give so much hope. And people experience
Speaker 3: similar things often before they pass. They call it rallying.
Speaker 3: Hear these stories and I'm sure your investigations have taken
Speaker 3: you to deathbed visitations and visitors, and often they rally
Speaker 3: and they're bright and alert, and they're talking to their
Speaker 3: deceased mom or dad or someone they love. Very often
Speaker 3: the loved ones say we're going to go on a trip,
Speaker 3: get ready, and they look as clear as you and
Speaker 3: I look yes.
Speaker 5: Deathbed visions. This has studied done of hospice workers. If
Speaker 5: my memory show right, eighty to ninety percent of hospice
Speaker 5: workers said that it is most unusual for a person
Speaker 5: who is in the process of dying is most unusual
Speaker 5: to not have a deathbed vision. It is common sometimes
Speaker 5: they even see a deceased member of the family sitting
Speaker 5: on the bed as if to give comfort to the
Speaker 5: person who is in the process of dying, assisting them
Speaker 5: in a sense, giving them comfort. And deathbed visions where
Speaker 5: people who are in the process of dying will point
Speaker 5: to the corner of the ceiling and note a heavenly
Speaker 5: realm deceased people and communicate with the people from the
Speaker 5: other side. They act as if they are interacting with
Speaker 5: a heavenly unearthly realm of existence, and to the members
Speaker 5: of the family who are irving this were plexed. Obviously,
Speaker 5: they don't understand what's going on. They regard it as
Speaker 5: an hallucination, but it is much more common than not,
Speaker 5: and people should not be overly surprised if their loved
Speaker 5: one who is in the process of dying reaches up
Speaker 5: as if they're ready to go and say take me,
Speaker 5: I'm ready, or acknowledging the heavenly realm and the feeling
Speaker 5: a sense of love and compassion from others who are
Speaker 5: there to support them during their transition.
Speaker 3: We live in such an intelligent world universe whatever, Bob,
Speaker 3: even just thinking if I cut my finger, the body
Speaker 3: knows how to heal itself. Why wouldn't our birth, which
Speaker 3: is a celebration, but that our passing the intelligence of
Speaker 3: no one dies alone, that people come to greet us.
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people do come to greet us, and it's not
Speaker 5: an hallucination and certainly minimizes the pain and the suffering
Speaker 5: emotionally that is of the person who is going through
Speaker 5: that experience. And they can get hints of that days
Speaker 5: weeks before they pass, where they will interact with the deceased,
Speaker 5: to dreams and otherwise it's just they're being prepared for
Speaker 5: the transition, building up towards the very end. Now, this
Speaker 5: doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough,
Speaker 5: and studies to reveal a fairly high percentage of cases
Speaker 5: where terminally ill people will have these deathbed visions of
Speaker 5: varying types.
Speaker 3: Some veritical ones as well. There's numerous studies that I've read,
Speaker 3: and even a gentleman that I talked to before his
Speaker 3: dad passed, he could see into the afterlife. He was
Speaker 3: naming people that were dead that he was never told
Speaker 3: they were dead. They happened to die when he was
Speaker 3: sick or in a coma, and they didn't want to
Speaker 3: tell him about it. He's seeing them and talking to them.
Speaker 5: Well, Sandraw, that's the hallmark of a vertical perception, that
Speaker 5: independent corroboration of information that they are expressing, and it
Speaker 5: often comes down to just that they interact with deceased
Speaker 5: people that yes, they did not know they had died.
Speaker 5: And when they mentioned that they had interacted with Jim
Speaker 5: on the other side, they'll say, how did you know.
Speaker 4: Jim had died?
Speaker 5: Say, I didn't know Jim died, but interacted with him.
Speaker 5: This is too not uncommon. So we have these vertical
Speaker 5: perceptions that come in many different forms, and it gives
Speaker 5: me a great deal of hope. Although he can't be
Speaker 5: one hundred percent convinced. At least, my materialist mindset still
Speaker 5: leaves me that one percent of doubt about the possibility
Speaker 5: over after life. But it's always been fifty fifty.
Speaker 4: In my mind.
Speaker 5: But after I had a shared death experience and my
Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening, I then went from fifty to fifty to
Speaker 5: ninety nine percent convinced. I had a shared death experience.
Speaker 4: One morning, I awoke.
Speaker 5: With a lucid dream that was more horrific than I've
Speaker 5: ever experienced in my entire life. I was dying, I
Speaker 5: couldn't breathe. I felt like I was suffocating and truly
Speaker 5: upon death's store, and it was so vivid and real.
Speaker 5: I'd never had such a hyper realistic experience like that,
Speaker 5: and it moved me considerably. But during that experience, Sandra,
Speaker 5: I had a knowingness that my colleague who worked with
Speaker 5: me in my laboratory, had passed away. It was just
Speaker 5: a knowingness, a strong feeling. I didn't think much of that.
Speaker 5: I was just kind of overwhelmed by the experience alone.
Speaker 5: As I was driving to work, thinking about what happened
Speaker 5: to me? Did I eat something bad or good? Maybe
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I couldn't explain it. When I
Speaker 5: put the key in the door of my lab, turned
Speaker 5: the knob and opened it up, I saw the faces
Speaker 5: of my colleagues, and I knew right away that the
Speaker 5: information I received during my lucid dream was in fact real.
Speaker 5: My dear friend and colleague and did pass away that
Speaker 5: morning at that time, and I confirmed the time of
Speaker 5: her passing with her son at her funeral, and it
Speaker 5: was essentially the same time that I had that shared
Speaker 5: death experience. I guess you can call it empathic, because
Speaker 5: we were very very close as professional colleagues but also
Speaker 5: as friends, and we would often talk about spirituality, near
Speaker 5: death experiences, things that are more or less unconventional, non traditional.
Speaker 5: But she was a very spiritual person, and I knew
Speaker 5: she was giving me that information. I knew it. I
Speaker 5: knew it, and that's why I wrote that book, Lafe
Speaker 5: After Death and Analysis of the Evidence, and I can't
Speaker 5: forget it to this day. And then I had two
Speaker 5: years after that, I had a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 4: Getting off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but
Speaker 4: not so much.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into great detail about a
Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that people
Speaker 5: experience and it can come on for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 5: This woman, through intention alone, somehow was sending me energy.
Speaker 3: Many more great stories to come, but we have to
Speaker 3: take a break.
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Speaker 3: Com, Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm samda
Speaker 3: Champlain and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, producer of
Speaker 3: the film The Consciousness Connection. Last he was telling us
Speaker 3: about a dear friend and colleague who had passed and
Speaker 3: he had dreamed about her and the shared death experience
Speaker 3: the same time she passed. Here's his next story about
Speaker 3: a Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 5: Two years after that, I had a Coondolini awakening. Getting
Speaker 5: off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but not
Speaker 5: so much. I'm not gonna in the great detail about
Speaker 5: a Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that
Speaker 5: people experience, and it can come on for a variety
Speaker 5: of reasons. This woman, through intention alone, somehow, was sending
Speaker 5: me energy that was causing my body to vibrate uncontrollably.
Speaker 5: I literally looked like what was her name, Reagan in
Speaker 5: the movie The Exorcist writhing. My head would turn, however,
Speaker 5: as extreme as possible in this direction. My facial muscles
Speaker 5: were contorting, my breathing was irregular. If you were watching me, Sandra,
Speaker 5: you would think I was crying, dying in great distress.
Speaker 5: But in my mind, I was experiencing extreme bliss. So
Speaker 5: there was this duality of mind body. I was convinced
Speaker 5: at that time that it was happening that I'm not
Speaker 5: my body. Kundalini awakenings can provide you with that kind
Speaker 5: of insight where you're not in control of your body,
Speaker 5: but your mind, however, is elsewhere, and that's where I was.
Speaker 5: I was watching my body from a distance, and I
Speaker 5: could rationalize what was going on. But I was completely
Speaker 5: bewildered while my body was behaving that way, and I
Speaker 5: couldn't control it. But I kept on saying to the
Speaker 5: woman who was inducing this in me, I said, give
Speaker 5: me more, give me more, because I felt so good.
Speaker 5: It was an energetic bliss. I encourage people to read
Speaker 5: about Kundalini awakening. Many people had never heard of kumdulini,
Speaker 5: but it is real. It is real, and in a
Speaker 5: way it is related to the near death experience because
Speaker 5: we see the distinction between consciousness and the body, and
Speaker 5: I got a clear sense of it in my shared
Speaker 5: death experience, and it was reinforced in my Kundalini awakening.
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm ninety nine maybe ninety nine point
Speaker 5: five percent certain that reality is far more complex than
Speaker 5: we can ever imagine. You know, we get caught up
Speaker 5: so much in day to day routine aspects of life
Speaker 5: that we don't consider these possibilities of an afterlife. That
Speaker 5: there's a lot more that exists than what we deal
Speaker 5: with on a daily basis. That we have to, but
Speaker 5: we can't lose sight of the fact that those loved
Speaker 5: ones who are deceased are still around. They are aware,
Speaker 5: they are aware of you. They often interact with people
Speaker 5: with their loved ones. Not always, but there's people who
Speaker 5: are called encounter prone personalities or paranormal prone personalities. There
Speaker 5: are people who have antennas for the paranormal, and for
Speaker 5: some reason, there's people who see UFOs, They have NDEs,
Speaker 5: they verridical receptions, they have all of these different manifestations
Speaker 5: of what we call anomaly gaps, so to speak, or
Speaker 5: paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 4: And I don't like that term.
Speaker 5: We shouldn't call it paranormal. But the point is I
Speaker 5: have great confidence that my deceased loved ones are still there,
Speaker 5: and I will talk to them and I will try
Speaker 5: to listen to what they're saying, if they are saying anything.
Speaker 5: I haven't been convinced that I've received any messages from
Speaker 5: my deceased parents that I know many people who have,
Speaker 5: and it's more real than a lucid dream. It's as
Speaker 5: real as if they're talking to a family member. That's
Speaker 5: how convincing it is. So I have the utmost respect
Speaker 5: for people who have these experiences, and we need to
Speaker 5: learn from them and come to the realization that even
Speaker 5: though we have lost loved ones, we all have and
Speaker 5: we will all perish, at least our body will. It's
Speaker 5: not the end. It's not the end, Nope.
Speaker 3: Just beginning. Somebody had a quote that our life is
Speaker 3: just a thread in the fabric of our soul. This
Speaker 3: is just a small little part of a much bigger picture.
Speaker 3: I don't even know when we migrate to the other
Speaker 3: side if we're going to get the full picture of
Speaker 3: what's all possible. Bob, I don't think as human beings
Speaker 3: were meant to have that one hundred percent knowing even me,
Speaker 3: it's been well over twenty years that I've witnessed the
Speaker 3: miraculous and explored and had my own psychic and medium
Speaker 3: experiences these holy cow amazing things. But I wake up
Speaker 3: in the morning with that doubting mind. So I don't
Speaker 3: know if this is the truth or not. But I
Speaker 3: like to say that our life on earth is an
Speaker 3: education for the soul, and that we're here to learn
Speaker 3: and love and forgive and experience, and we got other
Speaker 3: people involved, and where we go to next is all
Speaker 3: perfect all of the time. And when we have the
Speaker 3: opposites here, this is when we can really learn and
Speaker 3: we can make a difference for other people. So I
Speaker 3: don't think we're meant to know that we're playing a game.
Speaker 3: A very difficult and pingoful want to.
Speaker 5: Tell, very well said, and you're exactly right, And that's
Speaker 5: the ego. That's the left hemisphere of the brain, that's
Speaker 5: the part of the brain that doesn't give in. It
Speaker 5: reminds me of the book Stroke of Insight, written by
Speaker 5: a neuro anatomis who had a stroke. Hemisphere was shut
Speaker 5: down and she was just using her right hemisphere and
Speaker 5: she felt like moving from a solid to a fluid
Speaker 5: type of experience, feeling free, feeling at one with the universe,
Speaker 5: feeling love, feeling empathy, compassion, becoming more humane.
Speaker 4: And she says she.
Speaker 5: Wishes everyone could experience just the right hemisphere. What that
Speaker 5: is all about? And she said, if everybody just had
Speaker 5: a right hemisphere instead of the egoic, logical left hemisphere
Speaker 5: that overanalyzes everything, that we would have peace on earth
Speaker 5: and goodwill towards humanity, where health hostage truly centered to
Speaker 5: our brain, and it can be very misleading for us.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately it's hard to sometimes separate logic from illogic.
Speaker 5: And we like to tend to believe everything we read
Speaker 5: and hear, and we have to be very discriminating consumers.
Speaker 5: Even when we read about near death experiences and life
Speaker 5: after death. Not every book out there in the literature
Speaker 5: is going to give you accurate information. I would encourage
Speaker 5: people who want to learn more about near death experiences
Speaker 5: to read books by people like Raymond Moody and Jeff
Speaker 5: Long and Bruce Grayson and your book. I like to
Speaker 5: think maybe my books can also serve in that vein.
Speaker 5: We all have to be very selective and discriminating as
Speaker 5: consumers every day of our lives in a sense, because
Speaker 5: it's very easy to make these errors of inductive reasoning
Speaker 5: and come to a wrong decision or conclusion about something.
Speaker 5: But when it comes to NDEs, I'm not making a
Speaker 5: wrong decision by stating that NDEs are a real experience
Speaker 5: and it's a valid one, just like my Kundulini awakening,
Speaker 5: and just like my shared death experience, they are valid
Speaker 5: and highly convincing. There's many skeptics out there, yet even
Speaker 5: that most staunch skeptics will still say prayers over meals,
Speaker 5: prayers when they're ill, which seems a little contradictory because
Speaker 5: they're praying to a god. Yet they're staunch materialists, strict materialists,
Speaker 5: yet they believe in something that you know, I guess
Speaker 5: is faith based. Basically, we have no proof of God. However,
Speaker 5: when people have near death experiences, they often bring that
Speaker 5: point up that they do experience the presence of a
Speaker 5: supreme being in addition to deceased loved ones, including pets,
Speaker 5: which are joyous reunions obviously, but they also have a
Speaker 5: sense of the presence of God and they feel that
Speaker 5: the magnificent love to the point where they don't want
Speaker 5: to return home. They consider that home not here unless
Speaker 5: they're told that they have to come back, usually to
Speaker 5: take care of a child or for some other important reason,
Speaker 5: so they reluctantly will return.
Speaker 3: And they say, this life seems like it was just
Speaker 3: a dream and that's the reality.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like going home. I guess I get a
Speaker 5: little bit of a sense of that. When I had
Speaker 5: my Kundalini awakening. It felt right. It felt like this
Speaker 5: is the way people should feel, this kind of bliss.
Speaker 5: And I can't come up with a better term for
Speaker 5: that then bliss. I've heard it from others, so I
Speaker 5: steal it and you use it myself. But it was
Speaker 5: a deep sense of love, of happiness, and I knew
Speaker 5: I wasn't my body, and I knew that it reminded
Speaker 5: me of my shared death experience, and it validated it.
Speaker 5: It went hand in hand in a sense, with it.
Speaker 5: And why I started having these kinds of experiences after
Speaker 5: I retired, I don't know. But I never would have
Speaker 5: written these books, done this film. I wouldn't be here
Speaker 5: speaking to you if I didn't have these experiences. And
Speaker 5: that's true for many of your guests. They are experiencers
Speaker 5: and they feel a tremendous need to express it. You
Speaker 5: go down that so called I hate to use the term,
Speaker 5: but I'm going to use the term rabbit hole, but
Speaker 5: it does bring you down a different path in life.
Speaker 5: People make career changes on the basis of a near
Speaker 5: death experience. They'll give up their nine to five job
Speaker 5: to serve humanity more come to the realization that life
Speaker 5: is not all about power, fame, and wealth, et cetera.
Speaker 5: But it's about helping others. It's about compassion, empathy, sympathy,
Speaker 5: caring for each other.
Speaker 4: And that's what happens.
Speaker 5: To people who have near death experiences. They are behaviorally
Speaker 5: transformed in such unique ways that they become I guess
Speaker 5: you could say, more humane relative to where they were
Speaker 5: prior to their NDD.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 3: and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, neurosensory research scientist,
Speaker 3: film producer, author of several books including Life After Death
Speaker 3: and Analysis of the Evidence and Consciousness Connection, Extraordinary Human
Speaker 3: Experiences and the Nature of Reality, which is now a
Speaker 3: documentary film which can be viewed on Guya dot com.
Speaker 3: Guya is a fantastic network and you can even see
Speaker 3: my episodes with the wonderful George Nori on his show
Speaker 3: Beyond Belief. There you can visit Bob at Bob davisspeaks
Speaker 3: dot com for more information. Also, let's continue with some
Speaker 3: closing words from doctor Bob Davis.
Speaker 5: People who have near death experiences, they are behaviorally transformed
Speaker 5: in such unique ways that they become I guess you
Speaker 5: could say, more humane relative to where they were prior
Speaker 5: to their nd And of course they don't fear death anymore.
Speaker 5: There's studies that have been done that show was one
Speaker 5: study that said what percent fear death, Something like eighty
Speaker 5: percent of the people feared death before they had their ND.
Speaker 5: After their nd that eighty percent became zero. Another study
Speaker 5: showed the same thing, zero decent doubt. They have no
Speaker 5: doubt that there's an afterlife after their NDE. They completely
Speaker 5: lose their fear of death, even children. However, pmh Atwater
Speaker 5: we interviewed her children who have near death experiences, talked
Speaker 5: about the stream, going back to the stream. They don't
Speaker 5: have the right language terms to use, but the stream
Speaker 5: they mean is consciousness. They can't get along with their parents,
Speaker 5: They don't see their says their real parents. They feel
Speaker 5: that they still belong in another reality. So childhood and
Speaker 5: dees should be another book written because it sets them
Speaker 5: up for a unique life.
Speaker 3: Thereafter, I met a man on an airplane. He was
Speaker 3: sitting next to me, and we started talking about all
Speaker 3: kinds of.
Speaker 2: Things, and then what do you do?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 3: And I told him about my book, and he told
Speaker 3: me a story, a guilt that he had that he
Speaker 3: wasn't able to let go of. And he said that
Speaker 3: his little boy was three or four years old. His
Speaker 3: other son was I don't remember the ages, but one
Speaker 3: boy was in the toilet at a campground and this
Speaker 3: little boy ran down to the water and he tried
Speaker 3: to swim, and it only took one second before the
Speaker 3: father realized that he wasn't there, and of course he
Speaker 3: had to be retrieved. He filled his lungs with water
Speaker 3: and the boy survived. But when he woke up in
Speaker 3: the hospital, the boy was telling the dad he said,
Speaker 3: I was okay, Daddy. He says, I was with the
Speaker 3: big face in the sky and the big face in
Speaker 3: the sun, the big face in the sun, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And he told me that I would be coming back
Speaker 3: and all that. So I'm listening to this like, oh
Speaker 3: my goodness, and so the father had this guilt that
Speaker 3: this had happened. Now, the son was about sixteen years
Speaker 3: old when we were on the flight, and I said,
Speaker 3: what kind of a young man did he turn into?
Speaker 3: He makes his whole life about making a difference and volunteering.
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 3: So, you know, we had a great conversation that ended
Speaker 3: up transforming his view of what had happened, and we
Speaker 3: talked about near death experiences. You really can change lives
Speaker 3: and give people life and direction, and what's better than
Speaker 3: making a difference for others and dialing down that ego.
Speaker 5: They're more humane and they want to serve humanity in
Speaker 5: ways that are beneficial not only to themselves, but more
Speaker 5: importantly to others, because they realize that that is what's
Speaker 5: most critical here on earth, helping one another, you know.
Speaker 5: Boost Bason during our interview, he said that the near
Speaker 5: death experience changes people overnight, transformatively overnight. And he says,
Speaker 5: us psychiatrist's positions, we can spend months, years treating these
Speaker 5: individuals and we can't achieve what a near death experience
Speaker 5: achieves almost automatically in terms of mental health and in
Speaker 5: terms of their physical condition, because they benefit so greatly
Speaker 5: from their near death experience. And look, two hundred thousand
Speaker 5: people alone in the United States have a near death experience.
Speaker 5: I think worldwide, we're talking about three hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: million people worldwide have had a near death experience. Now,
Speaker 5: two hundred thousand people in the United States alone per
Speaker 5: year have a near death experience, so this is fairly common,
Speaker 5: as well as out of body experiences too. And that's
Speaker 5: the first symptom of a near death experience and out
Speaker 5: of body experience before they start entering the tunnel and
Speaker 5: experiencing the love and beauty of the other side, an
Speaker 5: unearthly realm which may consist of buildings and plants and animals,
Speaker 5: but it's still different. It's similar and different, and they're
Speaker 5: interacting with their loved ones, deceased pets, and why would
Speaker 5: they want to come back when they feel such intense love.
Speaker 5: I remember talking to a person who had a near
Speaker 5: death experience and she said to me, Bob, the love
Speaker 5: I felt during my near death experience, it was like
Speaker 5: looking in the eyes of your first born child magnified
Speaker 5: ten million times. That's the love that I felt when
Speaker 5: I had my ND Now that's not a brain event.
Speaker 5: The brain doesn't do that. We don't experience it during life,
Speaker 5: Why should we experience it during an ND unless there
Speaker 5: is something that is causing that sense of love and compassion.
Speaker 5: And that's what I can't understand, the distinction between the
Speaker 5: symptoms of an ND versus a non end and how
Speaker 5: dramatically it changes people overnight in such unique and profound
Speaker 5: ways that it leads to career changes at look. It
Speaker 5: also can create problems at home too, because the person
Speaker 5: has often changed so dramatically behaviorally in terms of their
Speaker 5: belief systems, etc. Based on their ND. Their behaving different.
Speaker 5: They're reading different things now, they're talking about different things
Speaker 5: that they ever did before. They're down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: That's right, and people say you aren't the person I'm married.
Speaker 5: Yeah, become truth seekers, but it often creates problems to
Speaker 5: the point where one study I read said that seventy
Speaker 5: percent of people who have an ND wind up having
Speaker 5: a divorce within seven years, which is higher than the
Speaker 5: national average of about fifty percent, but nevertheless it's statistically significant.
Speaker 5: So there are tremendous positives to the ND proving the afterlife,
Speaker 5: but there are also some negative aspects to it as well.
Speaker 5: What can be negative in some certain minority cases.
Speaker 3: I know we can grieve for that experience, and I
Speaker 3: know there's been people that they'd rather be over there
Speaker 3: than here, and it's hard to readjust to life. I
Speaker 3: wanted to just confirm to watch your film, you can
Speaker 3: go to Consciousness dot media. Correct, that'll lead us to
Speaker 3: Gaya for seven days. And then what can we find
Speaker 3: on your website Bob davisspeaks dot com.
Speaker 5: Well, you could read the articles that I've written. You
Speaker 5: could find the information about the books as well, and
Speaker 5: I've written numerous articles on neo death experiences, Kundlin, the Awakenings,
Speaker 5: even UFOs, which is another interest of mine. So Bob
Speaker 5: Davis Speaks dot com, there's links that will bring them
Speaker 5: right to the books, right to the film and write
Speaker 5: to the articles where they can learn more about it.
Speaker 3: Fantastic. I do say you're like the Energizer Bunny. What's
Speaker 3: your next project? Do you have one? Are you going
Speaker 3: to take a little break?
Speaker 4: A little break?
Speaker 5: But I'm starting to work on our next documentary. It's
Speaker 5: a docuseries. The first one was kind of like The Foundations,
Speaker 5: where we cover a variety of topics. Now we're going
Speaker 5: to focus in on the neodath expperance and out of
Speaker 5: body experience, where we interviewed the people I mentioned, like
Speaker 5: Jeff Long, Bruce Grayson, I've been Alexander and pmht what
Speaker 5: another ex person in the field of NDE research, and
Speaker 5: we're going to condense that into an hour long feature documentary.
Speaker 3: Thank you for all you do. Any closing words for
Speaker 3: our listener before we say goodbye.
Speaker 5: I've become so discouraged with the quality of podcasts interviews
Speaker 5: that are out there. There are few and far between
Speaker 5: in terms of good quality ones, and I congratulate them.
Speaker 4: For being here.
Speaker 5: This is one of the best shows, certainly on the
Speaker 5: topic of NDEs, the best show on NDEs that I
Speaker 5: know of.
Speaker 4: And you do just a.
Speaker 5: Superb job and know that the near death experience is real.
Speaker 5: Note that there is an afterlife, or at least if
Speaker 5: you're not one hundred percent certain, be nine to nine
Speaker 5: percent certain. But read and be an educated consumer about
Speaker 5: this phenomenon, which is valid, and you should discuss it
Speaker 5: with other people who've had NDEs. A lot of people
Speaker 5: don't want to talk about it, but there are many
Speaker 5: people who have it, and I encourage you to find
Speaker 5: individuals who have experienced it to learn more about it.
Speaker 3: You're the best. Thank you very much for sharing all
Speaker 3: of that and also sharing that about the show and
Speaker 3: those of you who have had near death experiences or
Speaker 3: want to find out more. Also our friends at IMS
Speaker 3: dot org. That's the International Association for Near Death Studies.
Speaker 3: They have chapters all around the world and of course
Speaker 3: now zoom groups all over so you can be involved.
Speaker 3: I want to remind everyone that you can visit Bob
Speaker 3: davisspeaks dot com find out so much about what he's
Speaker 3: up to and into go to Consciousness dot media to
Speaker 3: watch that film. Bob, Thank you so much for being
Speaker 3: our guests today.
Speaker 5: Miss Sandra has been an absolute pleasure to be with
Speaker 5: you again. I hope you could do this more often.
Speaker 3: I have a sneaky suspicion, Bob, we'll be doing it
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