1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Now listen to this. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 4: Hi. 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after day. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Our consciousness 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: survives physical death and we'll talk more about that today 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: with doctor Bob Davis, a former professor neurosensory research, scientist, 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: film producer, and author. We'll talk about vertical evidence, terminal lucidity, 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: deathbed visions, a shared death Experience. He has published four 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: books and is the creator of the new documentary film 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: called The Consciousness Connection. Here's doctor Bob Davis Well Sande. 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 5: It's an absolute pleasure to be with you. I'm truly 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 5: a big fan of you. Your book is fantastic and 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 5: I love your show. As you mentioned, I was an 27 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 5: edition for three decades at the State University of New York. 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 5: I always had an open mind. I always followed the ufology. 29 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 5: I saw two range jobs in the night sky, which 30 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: led me to write my book to UFO Phenomenon. But 31 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 5: two years later I had a shared death experience which 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 5: would also call it an empathic death experience that led 33 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 5: me to write the book Life After Death and Analysis 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 5: of the Evidence. Two years after that, I had a 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening which led me to write this book, Unseen 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 5: Forces the integration of science reality knew and I got 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: a phone call from a producer at Dreamtime Entertainment down 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 5: here in Fort Myers, Florida, and he met with me 39 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 5: for lunch and he said, let's turn this into a documentary, 40 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 5: which we did and it's now streaming as you mentioned 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 5: on consciousness dot Media. You can try their seven Day 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 5: free trial and watch the film there. But during that 43 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: two years that we were producing the film, interviewing many experts. 44 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: It's in the area of neo death experiences like Bruce Grayson, 45 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 5: Jeff Flong, Eben Alexander. I wrote the less book. What 46 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: you mentioned, This five hundred page book, The Consciousness Connection, 47 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: which basically takes us on a ride to the documentary. 48 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: It's a detailed discussion of things that relate to consciousness, 49 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 5: near death experiences, mediumship, esp consciousness, the brain, all things 50 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 5: paranormal and everything in between. So now I need a break. 51 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 5: I'm burned out and talking to you is making me 52 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: feel a lot better. 53 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: Oh that makes me happy. 54 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: I don't have much of life. 55 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 5: So I just spent hours every day over a two 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 5: year period writing and it was cathotic. I was in pain, 57 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you, and it took my mind 58 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: off the pains. Had surgery, sent amount of pain and 59 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 5: everything is fine. But the book was a blessing in 60 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: many ways. 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: And what a gift it is to others and the 62 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: film as well. So, Bob, would you like to share 63 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: some of the things that you're most passionate about as 64 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: far as reasons to believe in the afterlife. 65 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 5: The thing that moves me the most is critical perceptions 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 5: during a near death as well as other body experience, 67 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 5: and these vertical perceptions, or call them verifiable perceptions. These 68 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: are cases that involve individuals having a near death experience 69 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 5: will call them NDEs, of course, in which they encounter 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 5: deceased individuals that they were not aware who had passed away. 71 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 5: These are jewels of evidence that increased the validity of 72 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 5: NDE reports and are significant in research in near death 73 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: experiences as objective evidence that goes beyond subjective accounts because 74 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 5: all we hear are anecdotal evidence and a lot of 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: skeptics don't buy them. But individuals to report these vertical 76 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 5: perceptions provide accurate and very specific details about physical surroundings, 77 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 5: the conversations events that take place while they are unconscious 78 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 5: or so called clinically dead flat EEG and a flat 79 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 5: EKG for a period of time before their revived, and 80 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 5: that confirmation is crucial in distinguishing a vertical perception from 81 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 5: mere hallucinations or just a simple byproduct of the brain. 82 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 5: When we were doing our interviews for our film The 83 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 5: Consciousness Connection, we attended the International Association of Neo Depth 84 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: Studies in Washington, d C. Where an array of elite 85 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: researchers were there, and I talked with Bruce Grayson, by 86 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 5: the leading NDE researcher, a psychiatrist, who told me a story. 87 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: And he was saying that when he was an intern, 88 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 5: while he was eating spaghetti sauce, he accidentally spilled the 89 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 5: sauce on his tie. He suddenly got a call on 90 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: his page or an emergency, and he wiped the sauce 91 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 5: off the tie as much as he can, but he 92 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 5: couldn't get rid of it completely. He went down to 93 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 5: see the patient who was completely unconscious, actually close to death. 94 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 5: He then left her, walked several rooms down the hall 95 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 5: and spoke to the patient's friend to get more information 96 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 5: about the patient. The next day, he sees that patient 97 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 5: and she's wide awake and he's talking to her and 98 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 5: he's evaluating her from a psychiatric standpoint, and she says 99 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 5: to him, I remember you you visited me last night. 100 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 5: And he says, that's not possible. You were completely unconscious, 101 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: you were comatose. I know what you said to my friend, 102 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 5: and she relayed exactly their conversation. Then she said, and 103 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 5: you had that red stain on your tie, didn't you. 104 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 5: From that moment, don he knew that there was something 105 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 5: quite special about near death experiences. That started him on 106 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 5: the road to researching near death experiences after hearing that 107 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 5: validation from someone who's in a coma yet reporting accurate 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 5: information when it's deemed impossible. Another story, he told me 109 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: he had a patient. His name was Jack, I believe, 110 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: and he was admitted the hospital with respiratory distress, had 111 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 5: severe pneumonia, and while he was in poor condition, his 112 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: nurse Anita said to Jack, listen, Jack, I have to 113 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 5: go away for the weekend. I can't take care of you, 114 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 5: but I'm going to have another nurse who's option. She's 115 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 5: going to be with you and watch you closely. During 116 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 5: that time, while Anita was gone, he had a near 117 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: death experience, found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene and there, 118 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: to his surprise, was his nurse, Anita, and she came 119 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 5: walking towards him, and he did a double take and said, Anita, 120 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: what are you doing here? And she said, Jack, you 121 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 5: need to go back. I want you to go and 122 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 5: find my parents, tell them I love them very much 123 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: and that I'm sorry. 124 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: I wrecked the Red MGB. 125 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 5: Now, this Red MGB was a fancy car, and this 126 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 5: was back in the seventies in South Africa where there 127 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: weren't many Red MGBs around. When Jack woke up in 128 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: the hospital, he told the first nurse that he saw 129 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: about the experience that he interacted with Anita and what 130 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 5: Anita told him. That nurse, upon hearing that story, began 131 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 5: crying and ran out of the room. Jack was then 132 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 5: told that Anita took that weekend off to celebrate her 133 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 5: twenty first birthday and her parents surprised her with a 134 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 5: gift of a red MGB car. She got so excited 135 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 5: that she jumped in the car, took it for a 136 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 5: test spin, unfortunately, crashed it into a tree or telephone pole, 137 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 5: and died immediately. Now, there is no way that Jack 138 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 5: could have known how she had died, or that she 139 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 5: even did die, yet he relayed that story to the nurse. 140 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 5: Now that more than convinced Bruce Grayson that vertical perceptions 141 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 5: are remarkably real and provide one hundred percent certainty that 142 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,119 Speaker 5: near death experiences represent a piercing of the veil. 143 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: So to speak, of an afterl life. 144 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 5: Or at least an out of body experience where you 145 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 5: are still experiencing reality despite your body's sensory systems being 146 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: completely shut down. And there are many instances of these 147 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: kinds of ridical perceptions, these jewels of evidence that in 148 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 5: my mind, that are the most convincing aspects of near 149 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 5: experiences moving to me that this is not a phenomenon, 150 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 5: but it is real, and the consistency of the reports 151 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 5: is remarkable. Eben Alexander, he tells a story about when 152 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 5: he had his ND and he's giving it practically a 153 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 5: zero percent chance of living because of his bacterial meningitis. 154 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 5: He said, during his end he was flying on the 155 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 5: wings of a butterfly with a woman. I think you 156 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: know the story, Sandra. After his ND, he received a photograph, 157 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 5: a picture of a woman who who was his deceased sister. 158 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 5: He didn't know he had a sister before he was born, 159 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 5: and that picture of that woman was the exact person 160 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 5: who accompanied him flying on the butterfly wings. So here 161 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: again that more than proof to him that vertical perception 162 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: validated his experience. This is the most convincing evidence that 163 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 5: nd are indeed real. There's a study done with I 164 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: believe ten to twelve people who were blind from birth. 165 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 5: Their experiences during their NDEs are obviously quite unique because 166 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 5: they don't have any sense of vision. But Jeff Long 167 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 5: during my interview with him, Jeff Long is the founder 168 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 5: of the Neo Death Experience or Research Foundation rf dot 169 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 5: org is a website people should go to to read 170 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: stories about NDEs and vertical receptions and all that. It's 171 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 5: a remarkable collection of thousands of nd anecdotal evidence that 172 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: would be a perfect master's thesis or dissertation for anybody 173 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 5: wanting to study it. But I said to him, if 174 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 5: there's one incident ND that is that made you a 175 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 5: believer that this experience is real, what would it be? 176 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 5: And he says, if I had to pick an nd experience, 177 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 5: it would have to be about a woman named Vicki 178 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 5: who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision 179 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 5: to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time 180 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: in her life. 181 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 4: She saw herself. 182 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 5: She was having an out of body experience during her 183 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: near death experience. I forgot what led to her accident 184 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: and her INDE, but her consciousness was above her. 185 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with some more great stories from 186 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: doctor Bob Davis. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 207 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: and we're back with scientists doctor Bob Davis with near 208 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: death Experiences of the blind. 209 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 5: Jeff Long during my to view with him, Jeff Long 210 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 5: as the founder of the Near Death Experience or Research Foundation. 211 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 5: I said to him that there's one incident ND that 212 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: is that made you a believer that this experience is real? 213 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: What would it be? 214 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 5: And he says, if I had to pick an ND experience, 215 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: it would have to be about a woman named Vicki 216 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 5: who was born completely blind. And you can't explain vision 217 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 5: to somebody born totally blind, and for the first time 218 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: in her life she saw herself. She was having an 219 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 5: out of body experience during her near death experience. I 220 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 5: forgot what led to her accident and her inde, but 221 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: her consciousness was above her and her initial emotion, not surprisingly, 222 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: was fear. Vision was completely unknown, unfamiliar to her. She'd 223 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: know what she was looking at. And she says to 224 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 5: Jeff Long, during my near death experience, I was able 225 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 5: to see in front of me, am I, right on 226 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 5: my left, and behind me. I had three sixty degree vision, 227 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 5: which means, you know, being simultaneously aware of everything that's 228 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: going on all around you. And Jeff Long had to 229 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: explain to her, well, those people who are not blind 230 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 5: have eye sockets and are able to only see in 231 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 5: front and to the left and right, not behind but 232 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 5: she left and left, and Jeff found out to be 233 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 5: humorous because she couldn't understand how we have this high 234 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 5: shaped visual field because of the location of our eye 235 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 5: sockets and our skull. And there are other cases too 236 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 5: of individuals who are blind Elizabeth Kobler Ross writes about this, 237 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 5: who have similar experienceerienances where they, because of their NDE, 238 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 5: are able to have visual perception just during that period 239 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: of time. Now, to Jeff that was more than convincing 240 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: that blind people who are experiencing SITE despite having detached 241 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 5: retinas makes completely no sense at all. And him being 242 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 5: a radiation oncologist, he's well aware of anatomy and physiology, 243 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: and that's what motivated him to co found the near 244 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 5: death Experience of Research Foundation after hearing experiences like this. 245 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: There's terminal lucidity. It is a real phenomenon. It's well 246 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 5: regarded and acknowledged among the medical community. Could be hours, days, 247 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 5: or even weeks before they pass, suddenly regain full consciousness, 248 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 5: even after years of having severe Alzheimer or a stroke 249 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: or something that is severely impairing their capability of functioning, 250 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 5: where they can't interact with people for a long period 251 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 5: of time, but just prior to death, they regain full 252 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 5: consciousness and act as if everything is normal. They're lucid, 253 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 5: they'll sing, they'll engage in conversation, and then, despite their 254 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: acting normal, to the astonishment of the family, they'll soon 255 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 5: thereafter pass away. Terminal lucidity is often an indication that 256 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 5: the person is going to die very soon, but we 257 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 5: can't explain why that happens. It's maybe the last hurrah 258 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 5: of the brain, but you really can't explain it. Neuroscientists 259 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 5: can't explain terminal lucidity, at least not yet. But it 260 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 5: gives the family the last moment of opportunity to interact 261 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 5: with their loved one in a way in which they 262 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 5: wish for. Despite the person soon dying thereafter, they had 263 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 5: the person as they were before they had cognitive deficits 264 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 5: or stroke, and it is a great relief and benefit 265 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 5: to those loved ones. 266 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: It's miraculous and give so much hope. And people experience 267 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: similar things often before they pass. They call it rallying. 268 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: Hear these stories and I'm sure your investigations have taken 269 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: you to deathbed visitations and visitors, and often they rally 270 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: and they're bright and alert, and they're talking to their 271 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: deceased mom or dad or someone they love. Very often 272 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: the loved ones say we're going to go on a trip, 273 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 3: get ready, and they look as clear as you and 274 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: I look yes. 275 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 5: Deathbed visions. This has studied done of hospice workers. If 276 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 5: my memory show right, eighty to ninety percent of hospice 277 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 5: workers said that it is most unusual for a person 278 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 5: who is in the process of dying is most unusual 279 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 5: to not have a deathbed vision. It is common sometimes 280 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: they even see a deceased member of the family sitting 281 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 5: on the bed as if to give comfort to the 282 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 5: person who is in the process of dying, assisting them 283 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 5: in a sense, giving them comfort. And deathbed visions where 284 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 5: people who are in the process of dying will point 285 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 5: to the corner of the ceiling and note a heavenly 286 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 5: realm deceased people and communicate with the people from the 287 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 5: other side. They act as if they are interacting with 288 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: a heavenly unearthly realm of existence, and to the members 289 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 5: of the family who are irving this were plexed. Obviously, 290 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 5: they don't understand what's going on. They regard it as 291 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 5: an hallucination, but it is much more common than not, 292 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: and people should not be overly surprised if their loved 293 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 5: one who is in the process of dying reaches up 294 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: as if they're ready to go and say take me, 295 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 5: I'm ready, or acknowledging the heavenly realm and the feeling 296 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 5: a sense of love and compassion from others who are 297 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: there to support them during their transition. 298 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: We live in such an intelligent world universe whatever, Bob, 299 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: even just thinking if I cut my finger, the body 300 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: knows how to heal itself. Why wouldn't our birth, which 301 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 3: is a celebration, but that our passing the intelligence of 302 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: no one dies alone, that people come to greet us. 303 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense to me. 304 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, people do come to greet us, and it's not 305 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 5: an hallucination and certainly minimizes the pain and the suffering 306 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: emotionally that is of the person who is going through 307 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 5: that experience. And they can get hints of that days 308 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 5: weeks before they pass, where they will interact with the deceased, 309 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 5: to dreams and otherwise it's just they're being prepared for 310 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 5: the transition, building up towards the very end. Now, this 311 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: doesn't happen all the time, but it happens often enough, 312 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 5: and studies to reveal a fairly high percentage of cases 313 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: where terminally ill people will have these deathbed visions of 314 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 5: varying types. 315 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: Some veritical ones as well. There's numerous studies that I've read, 316 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: and even a gentleman that I talked to before his 317 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: dad passed, he could see into the afterlife. He was 318 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: naming people that were dead that he was never told 319 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: they were dead. They happened to die when he was 320 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: sick or in a coma, and they didn't want to 321 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: tell him about it. He's seeing them and talking to them. 322 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: Well, Sandraw, that's the hallmark of a vertical perception, that 323 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: independent corroboration of information that they are expressing, and it 324 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 5: often comes down to just that they interact with deceased 325 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: people that yes, they did not know they had died. 326 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 5: And when they mentioned that they had interacted with Jim 327 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 5: on the other side, they'll say, how did you know. 328 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: Jim had died? 329 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 5: Say, I didn't know Jim died, but interacted with him. 330 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 5: This is too not uncommon. So we have these vertical 331 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 5: perceptions that come in many different forms, and it gives 332 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 5: me a great deal of hope. Although he can't be 333 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: one hundred percent convinced. At least, my materialist mindset still 334 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 5: leaves me that one percent of doubt about the possibility 335 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 5: over after life. But it's always been fifty fifty. 336 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 4: In my mind. 337 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 5: But after I had a shared death experience and my 338 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening, I then went from fifty to fifty to 339 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 5: ninety nine percent convinced. I had a shared death experience. 340 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: One morning, I awoke. 341 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 5: With a lucid dream that was more horrific than I've 342 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 5: ever experienced in my entire life. I was dying, I 343 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 5: couldn't breathe. I felt like I was suffocating and truly 344 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 5: upon death's store, and it was so vivid and real. 345 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: I'd never had such a hyper realistic experience like that, 346 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 5: and it moved me considerably. But during that experience, Sandra, 347 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 5: I had a knowingness that my colleague who worked with 348 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 5: me in my laboratory, had passed away. It was just 349 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 5: a knowingness, a strong feeling. I didn't think much of that. 350 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 5: I was just kind of overwhelmed by the experience alone. 351 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: As I was driving to work, thinking about what happened 352 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 5: to me? Did I eat something bad or good? Maybe 353 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 5: I don't know, but I couldn't explain it. When I 354 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 5: put the key in the door of my lab, turned 355 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 5: the knob and opened it up, I saw the faces 356 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 5: of my colleagues, and I knew right away that the 357 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 5: information I received during my lucid dream was in fact real. 358 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 5: My dear friend and colleague and did pass away that 359 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: morning at that time, and I confirmed the time of 360 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 5: her passing with her son at her funeral, and it 361 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 5: was essentially the same time that I had that shared 362 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 5: death experience. I guess you can call it empathic, because 363 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 5: we were very very close as professional colleagues but also 364 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 5: as friends, and we would often talk about spirituality, near 365 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 5: death experiences, things that are more or less unconventional, non traditional. 366 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 5: But she was a very spiritual person, and I knew 367 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 5: she was giving me that information. I knew it. I 368 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: knew it, and that's why I wrote that book, Lafe 369 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 5: After Death and Analysis of the Evidence, and I can't 370 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 5: forget it to this day. And then I had two 371 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 5: years after that, I had a Kundalini awakening. 372 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 4: Getting off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but 373 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: not so much. 374 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 5: I'm not going to go into great detail about a 375 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 5: Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that people 376 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 5: experience and it can come on for a variety of reasons. 377 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 5: This woman, through intention alone, somehow was sending me energy. 378 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 3: Many more great stories to come, but we have to 379 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: take a break. 380 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 381 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 3: They're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 382 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: and to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 383 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: The Coast to Coast AM mobile app is here and 384 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: waiting for you right now, and with the app, you 385 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: can hear classic shows from the past seven years, listen 386 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: to the current live show, and get access to the 387 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: Artbell Vault where you can listen to uninterrupted audio. 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I'm samda 403 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: Champlain and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, producer of 404 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: the film The Consciousness Connection. Last he was telling us 405 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: about a dear friend and colleague who had passed and 406 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: he had dreamed about her and the shared death experience 407 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: the same time she passed. Here's his next story about 408 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 3: a Kundalini awakening. 409 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 5: Two years after that, I had a Coondolini awakening. Getting 410 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 5: off the topic a little bit from NDEs, but not 411 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 5: so much. I'm not gonna in the great detail about 412 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 5: a Kundalini awakening, but it's an energetic, spiritual awakening that 413 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 5: people experience, and it can come on for a variety 414 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: of reasons. This woman, through intention alone, somehow, was sending 415 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 5: me energy that was causing my body to vibrate uncontrollably. 416 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: I literally looked like what was her name, Reagan in 417 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: the movie The Exorcist writhing. My head would turn, however, 418 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: as extreme as possible in this direction. My facial muscles 419 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 5: were contorting, my breathing was irregular. If you were watching me, Sandra, 420 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: you would think I was crying, dying in great distress. 421 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 5: But in my mind, I was experiencing extreme bliss. So 422 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 5: there was this duality of mind body. I was convinced 423 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 5: at that time that it was happening that I'm not 424 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: my body. Kundalini awakenings can provide you with that kind 425 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 5: of insight where you're not in control of your body, 426 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 5: but your mind, however, is elsewhere, and that's where I was. 427 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 5: I was watching my body from a distance, and I 428 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 5: could rationalize what was going on. But I was completely 429 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: bewildered while my body was behaving that way, and I 430 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 5: couldn't control it. But I kept on saying to the 431 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: woman who was inducing this in me, I said, give 432 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 5: me more, give me more, because I felt so good. 433 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 5: It was an energetic bliss. I encourage people to read 434 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 5: about Kundalini awakening. Many people had never heard of kumdulini, 435 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: but it is real. It is real, and in a 436 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 5: way it is related to the near death experience because 437 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: we see the distinction between consciousness and the body, and 438 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 5: I got a clear sense of it in my shared 439 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 5: death experience, and it was reinforced in my Kundalini awakening. 440 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 5: And that's why I'm ninety nine maybe ninety nine point 441 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 5: five percent certain that reality is far more complex than 442 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 5: we can ever imagine. You know, we get caught up 443 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 5: so much in day to day routine aspects of life 444 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 5: that we don't consider these possibilities of an afterlife. That 445 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 5: there's a lot more that exists than what we deal 446 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 5: with on a daily basis. That we have to, but 447 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 5: we can't lose sight of the fact that those loved 448 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 5: ones who are deceased are still around. They are aware, 449 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: they are aware of you. They often interact with people 450 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 5: with their loved ones. Not always, but there's people who 451 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 5: are called encounter prone personalities or paranormal prone personalities. There 452 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 5: are people who have antennas for the paranormal, and for 453 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 5: some reason, there's people who see UFOs, They have NDEs, 454 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 5: they verridical receptions, they have all of these different manifestations 455 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 5: of what we call anomaly gaps, so to speak, or 456 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 5: paranormal phenomena. 457 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 4: And I don't like that term. 458 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 5: We shouldn't call it paranormal. But the point is I 459 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 5: have great confidence that my deceased loved ones are still there, 460 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 5: and I will talk to them and I will try 461 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 5: to listen to what they're saying, if they are saying anything. 462 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 5: I haven't been convinced that I've received any messages from 463 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 5: my deceased parents that I know many people who have, 464 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 5: and it's more real than a lucid dream. It's as 465 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: real as if they're talking to a family member. That's 466 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 5: how convincing it is. So I have the utmost respect 467 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 5: for people who have these experiences, and we need to 468 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 5: learn from them and come to the realization that even 469 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 5: though we have lost loved ones, we all have and 470 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 5: we will all perish, at least our body will. It's 471 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 5: not the end. It's not the end, Nope. 472 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: Just beginning. Somebody had a quote that our life is 473 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: just a thread in the fabric of our soul. This 474 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: is just a small little part of a much bigger picture. 475 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: I don't even know when we migrate to the other 476 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: side if we're going to get the full picture of 477 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: what's all possible. Bob, I don't think as human beings 478 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 3: were meant to have that one hundred percent knowing even me, 479 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 3: it's been well over twenty years that I've witnessed the 480 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: miraculous and explored and had my own psychic and medium 481 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: experiences these holy cow amazing things. But I wake up 482 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 3: in the morning with that doubting mind. So I don't 483 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: know if this is the truth or not. But I 484 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: like to say that our life on earth is an 485 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 3: education for the soul, and that we're here to learn 486 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: and love and forgive and experience, and we got other 487 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: people involved, and where we go to next is all 488 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: perfect all of the time. And when we have the 489 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: opposites here, this is when we can really learn and 490 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: we can make a difference for other people. So I 491 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 3: don't think we're meant to know that we're playing a game. 492 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: A very difficult and pingoful want to. 493 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 5: Tell, very well said, and you're exactly right, And that's 494 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 5: the ego. That's the left hemisphere of the brain, that's 495 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 5: the part of the brain that doesn't give in. It 496 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 5: reminds me of the book Stroke of Insight, written by 497 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 5: a neuro anatomis who had a stroke. Hemisphere was shut 498 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 5: down and she was just using her right hemisphere and 499 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 5: she felt like moving from a solid to a fluid 500 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 5: type of experience, feeling free, feeling at one with the universe, 501 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 5: feeling love, feeling empathy, compassion, becoming more humane. 502 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,959 Speaker 4: And she says she. 503 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 5: Wishes everyone could experience just the right hemisphere. What that 504 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 5: is all about? And she said, if everybody just had 505 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 5: a right hemisphere instead of the egoic, logical left hemisphere 506 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 5: that overanalyzes everything, that we would have peace on earth 507 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: and goodwill towards humanity, where health hostage truly centered to 508 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 5: our brain, and it can be very misleading for us. 509 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 5: And unfortunately it's hard to sometimes separate logic from illogic. 510 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 5: And we like to tend to believe everything we read 511 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 5: and hear, and we have to be very discriminating consumers. 512 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 5: Even when we read about near death experiences and life 513 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 5: after death. Not every book out there in the literature 514 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 5: is going to give you accurate information. I would encourage 515 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 5: people who want to learn more about near death experiences 516 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 5: to read books by people like Raymond Moody and Jeff 517 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 5: Long and Bruce Grayson and your book. I like to 518 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 5: think maybe my books can also serve in that vein. 519 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 5: We all have to be very selective and discriminating as 520 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 5: consumers every day of our lives in a sense, because 521 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 5: it's very easy to make these errors of inductive reasoning 522 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 5: and come to a wrong decision or conclusion about something. 523 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 5: But when it comes to NDEs, I'm not making a 524 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 5: wrong decision by stating that NDEs are a real experience 525 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 5: and it's a valid one, just like my Kundulini awakening, 526 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 5: and just like my shared death experience, they are valid 527 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 5: and highly convincing. There's many skeptics out there, yet even 528 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 5: that most staunch skeptics will still say prayers over meals, 529 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 5: prayers when they're ill, which seems a little contradictory because 530 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 5: they're praying to a god. Yet they're staunch materialists, strict materialists, 531 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 5: yet they believe in something that you know, I guess 532 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 5: is faith based. Basically, we have no proof of God. However, 533 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 5: when people have near death experiences, they often bring that 534 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 5: point up that they do experience the presence of a 535 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 5: supreme being in addition to deceased loved ones, including pets, 536 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 5: which are joyous reunions obviously, but they also have a 537 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 5: sense of the presence of God and they feel that 538 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 5: the magnificent love to the point where they don't want 539 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 5: to return home. They consider that home not here unless 540 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 5: they're told that they have to come back, usually to 541 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 5: take care of a child or for some other important reason, 542 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: so they reluctantly will return. 543 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 3: And they say, this life seems like it was just 544 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 3: a dream and that's the reality. 545 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 5: Yes, it's like going home. I guess I get a 546 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 5: little bit of a sense of that. When I had 547 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 5: my Kundalini awakening. It felt right. It felt like this 548 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 5: is the way people should feel, this kind of bliss. 549 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 5: And I can't come up with a better term for 550 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 5: that then bliss. I've heard it from others, so I 551 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 5: steal it and you use it myself. But it was 552 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 5: a deep sense of love, of happiness, and I knew 553 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 5: I wasn't my body, and I knew that it reminded 554 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 5: me of my shared death experience, and it validated it. 555 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 5: It went hand in hand in a sense, with it. 556 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 5: And why I started having these kinds of experiences after 557 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 5: I retired, I don't know. But I never would have 558 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 5: written these books, done this film. I wouldn't be here 559 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 5: speaking to you if I didn't have these experiences. And 560 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 5: that's true for many of your guests. They are experiencers 561 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 5: and they feel a tremendous need to express it. You 562 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 5: go down that so called I hate to use the term, 563 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 5: but I'm going to use the term rabbit hole, but 564 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 5: it does bring you down a different path in life. 565 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 5: People make career changes on the basis of a near 566 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 5: death experience. They'll give up their nine to five job 567 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 5: to serve humanity more come to the realization that life 568 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 5: is not all about power, fame, and wealth, et cetera. 569 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 5: But it's about helping others. It's about compassion, empathy, sympathy, 570 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 5: caring for each other. 571 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 4: And that's what happens. 572 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 5: To people who have near death experiences. They are behaviorally 573 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 5: transformed in such unique ways that they become I guess 574 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 5: you could say, more humane relative to where they were 575 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 5: prior to their NDD. 576 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more, Doctor Bob Davis. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 595 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: and we're here with doctor Bob Davis, neurosensory research scientist, 596 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 3: film producer, author of several books including Life After Death 597 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 3: and Analysis of the Evidence and Consciousness Connection, Extraordinary Human 598 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 3: Experiences and the Nature of Reality, which is now a 599 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: documentary film which can be viewed on Guya dot com. 600 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 3: Guya is a fantastic network and you can even see 601 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 3: my episodes with the wonderful George Nori on his show 602 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 3: Beyond Belief. There you can visit Bob at Bob davisspeaks 603 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 3: dot com for more information. Also, let's continue with some 604 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 3: closing words from doctor Bob Davis. 605 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 5: People who have near death experiences, they are behaviorally transformed 606 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 5: in such unique ways that they become I guess you 607 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 5: could say, more humane relative to where they were prior 608 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 5: to their nd And of course they don't fear death anymore. 609 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 5: There's studies that have been done that show was one 610 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 5: study that said what percent fear death, Something like eighty 611 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 5: percent of the people feared death before they had their ND. 612 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 5: After their nd that eighty percent became zero. Another study 613 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 5: showed the same thing, zero decent doubt. They have no 614 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 5: doubt that there's an afterlife after their NDE. They completely 615 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 5: lose their fear of death, even children. However, pmh Atwater 616 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 5: we interviewed her children who have near death experiences, talked 617 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 5: about the stream, going back to the stream. They don't 618 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 5: have the right language terms to use, but the stream 619 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 5: they mean is consciousness. They can't get along with their parents, 620 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 5: They don't see their says their real parents. They feel 621 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 5: that they still belong in another reality. So childhood and 622 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 5: dees should be another book written because it sets them 623 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 5: up for a unique life. 624 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 3: Thereafter, I met a man on an airplane. He was 625 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 3: sitting next to me, and we started talking about all 626 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 3: kinds of. 627 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 2: Things, and then what do you do? 628 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 5: What do you do? 629 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 3: And I told him about my book, and he told 630 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 3: me a story, a guilt that he had that he 631 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 3: wasn't able to let go of. And he said that 632 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 3: his little boy was three or four years old. His 633 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 3: other son was I don't remember the ages, but one 634 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 3: boy was in the toilet at a campground and this 635 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 3: little boy ran down to the water and he tried 636 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 3: to swim, and it only took one second before the 637 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 3: father realized that he wasn't there, and of course he 638 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 3: had to be retrieved. He filled his lungs with water 639 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 3: and the boy survived. But when he woke up in 640 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 3: the hospital, the boy was telling the dad he said, 641 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: I was okay, Daddy. He says, I was with the 642 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 3: big face in the sky and the big face in 643 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 3: the sun, the big face in the sun, uh huh. 644 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 3: And he told me that I would be coming back 645 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 3: and all that. So I'm listening to this like, oh 646 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 3: my goodness, and so the father had this guilt that 647 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 3: this had happened. Now, the son was about sixteen years 648 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 3: old when we were on the flight, and I said, 649 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 3: what kind of a young man did he turn into? 650 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 3: He makes his whole life about making a difference and volunteering. 651 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 2: And all that. 652 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 3: So, you know, we had a great conversation that ended 653 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 3: up transforming his view of what had happened, and we 654 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 3: talked about near death experiences. You really can change lives 655 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 3: and give people life and direction, and what's better than 656 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 3: making a difference for others and dialing down that ego. 657 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 5: They're more humane and they want to serve humanity in 658 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 5: ways that are beneficial not only to themselves, but more 659 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 5: importantly to others, because they realize that that is what's 660 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 5: most critical here on earth, helping one another, you know. 661 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 5: Boost Bason during our interview, he said that the near 662 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 5: death experience changes people overnight, transformatively overnight. And he says, 663 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 5: us psychiatrist's positions, we can spend months, years treating these 664 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 5: individuals and we can't achieve what a near death experience 665 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 5: achieves almost automatically in terms of mental health and in 666 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 5: terms of their physical condition, because they benefit so greatly 667 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 5: from their near death experience. And look, two hundred thousand 668 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 5: people alone in the United States have a near death experience. 669 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 5: I think worldwide, we're talking about three hundred and twenty 670 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 5: million people worldwide have had a near death experience. Now, 671 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 5: two hundred thousand people in the United States alone per 672 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 5: year have a near death experience, so this is fairly common, 673 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,399 Speaker 5: as well as out of body experiences too. And that's 674 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 5: the first symptom of a near death experience and out 675 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,319 Speaker 5: of body experience before they start entering the tunnel and 676 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 5: experiencing the love and beauty of the other side, an 677 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 5: unearthly realm which may consist of buildings and plants and animals, 678 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,879 Speaker 5: but it's still different. It's similar and different, and they're 679 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 5: interacting with their loved ones, deceased pets, and why would 680 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 5: they want to come back when they feel such intense love. 681 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 5: I remember talking to a person who had a near 682 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 5: death experience and she said to me, Bob, the love 683 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 5: I felt during my near death experience, it was like 684 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 5: looking in the eyes of your first born child magnified 685 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 5: ten million times. That's the love that I felt when 686 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 5: I had my ND Now that's not a brain event. 687 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 5: The brain doesn't do that. We don't experience it during life, 688 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 5: Why should we experience it during an ND unless there 689 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,879 Speaker 5: is something that is causing that sense of love and compassion. 690 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 5: And that's what I can't understand, the distinction between the 691 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 5: symptoms of an ND versus a non end and how 692 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 5: dramatically it changes people overnight in such unique and profound 693 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 5: ways that it leads to career changes at look. It 694 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 5: also can create problems at home too, because the person 695 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,879 Speaker 5: has often changed so dramatically behaviorally in terms of their 696 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 5: belief systems, etc. Based on their ND. Their behaving different. 697 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 5: They're reading different things now, they're talking about different things 698 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 5: that they ever did before. They're down the rabbit hole. 699 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 3: That's right, and people say you aren't the person I'm married. 700 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, become truth seekers, but it often creates problems to 701 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 5: the point where one study I read said that seventy 702 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 5: percent of people who have an ND wind up having 703 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 5: a divorce within seven years, which is higher than the 704 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 5: national average of about fifty percent, but nevertheless it's statistically significant. 705 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 5: So there are tremendous positives to the ND proving the afterlife, 706 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 5: but there are also some negative aspects to it as well. 707 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 5: What can be negative in some certain minority cases. 708 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 3: I know we can grieve for that experience, and I 709 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 3: know there's been people that they'd rather be over there 710 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 3: than here, and it's hard to readjust to life. I 711 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,319 Speaker 3: wanted to just confirm to watch your film, you can 712 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 3: go to Consciousness dot media. Correct, that'll lead us to 713 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,240 Speaker 3: Gaya for seven days. And then what can we find 714 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 3: on your website Bob davisspeaks dot com. 715 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 5: Well, you could read the articles that I've written. You 716 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,919 Speaker 5: could find the information about the books as well, and 717 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 5: I've written numerous articles on neo death experiences, Kundlin, the Awakenings, 718 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,919 Speaker 5: even UFOs, which is another interest of mine. So Bob 719 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 5: Davis Speaks dot com, there's links that will bring them 720 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,240 Speaker 5: right to the books, right to the film and write 721 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 5: to the articles where they can learn more about it. 722 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 3: Fantastic. I do say you're like the Energizer Bunny. What's 723 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 3: your next project? Do you have one? Are you going 724 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 3: to take a little break? 725 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 4: A little break? 726 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 5: But I'm starting to work on our next documentary. It's 727 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 5: a docuseries. The first one was kind of like The Foundations, 728 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 5: where we cover a variety of topics. Now we're going 729 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 5: to focus in on the neodath expperance and out of 730 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 5: body experience, where we interviewed the people I mentioned, like 731 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 5: Jeff Long, Bruce Grayson, I've been Alexander and pmht what 732 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 5: another ex person in the field of NDE research, and 733 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 5: we're going to condense that into an hour long feature documentary. 734 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,279 Speaker 3: Thank you for all you do. Any closing words for 735 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,400 Speaker 3: our listener before we say goodbye. 736 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 5: I've become so discouraged with the quality of podcasts interviews 737 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 5: that are out there. There are few and far between 738 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 5: in terms of good quality ones, and I congratulate them. 739 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 4: For being here. 740 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 5: This is one of the best shows, certainly on the 741 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 5: topic of NDEs, the best show on NDEs that I 742 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 5: know of. 743 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 4: And you do just a. 744 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,800 Speaker 5: Superb job and know that the near death experience is real. 745 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,879 Speaker 5: Note that there is an afterlife, or at least if 746 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 5: you're not one hundred percent certain, be nine to nine 747 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 5: percent certain. But read and be an educated consumer about 748 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 5: this phenomenon, which is valid, and you should discuss it 749 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 5: with other people who've had NDEs. A lot of people 750 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 5: don't want to talk about it, but there are many 751 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 5: people who have it, and I encourage you to find 752 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 5: individuals who have experienced it to learn more about it. 753 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,879 Speaker 3: You're the best. Thank you very much for sharing all 754 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 3: of that and also sharing that about the show and 755 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 3: those of you who have had near death experiences or 756 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 3: want to find out more. Also our friends at IMS 757 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 3: dot org. That's the International Association for Near Death Studies. 758 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 3: They have chapters all around the world and of course 759 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 3: now zoom groups all over so you can be involved. 760 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,319 Speaker 3: I want to remind everyone that you can visit Bob 761 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,439 Speaker 3: davisspeaks dot com find out so much about what he's 762 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 3: up to and into go to Consciousness dot media to 763 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 3: watch that film. Bob, Thank you so much for being 764 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 3: our guests today. 765 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 5: Miss Sandra has been an absolute pleasure to be with 766 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,240 Speaker 5: you again. I hope you could do this more often. 767 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 3: I have a sneaky suspicion, Bob, we'll be doing it 768 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 3: after the next film comes out. Friends, what an interview. 769 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 3: Follow Your passions make a difference and you never know 770 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 3: how many lives you can impact. Oh just a reminder, 771 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,759 Speaker 3: come visit me at weedotdie dot com. Join me on 772 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 3: one of our free Sunday gatherings with medium demonstration included. 773 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 3: Come about fifteen minutes early sign in and I can 774 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,280 Speaker 3: hear your voice and we can say hello to one another. 775 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 3: I'd really like that. Also, we Don't Die dot com 776 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the page, if you enter your 777 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 3: name and your email address, I've got all kinds of 778 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 3: free goodies for you. 779 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 4: I do, I do. 780 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 3: I really want to thank you for being in this 781 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 3: inquiry looking for evidence of the afterlife. I aim to 782 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 3: deliver each time, but from the bottom of my heart, 783 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of 784 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a 785 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 3: m paranormal podcast network. 786 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 787 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: Ay and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out 788 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,799 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 789 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.