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Speaker 1: It is the end of the season edition of The

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Speaker 1: Bark Tank presented by Sugardale. Hello friends, Brown's win to

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Speaker 1: beat the Bengals twenty to eighteen. Hi, it's Andrew Siciliano

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Speaker 1: today in the Cross Country.

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Speaker 2: Mortgage Campus in Berea.

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Speaker 1: A winning addition, but also an edition in which we

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Speaker 1: sit here shortly after Kevin Stefanski was dismissed as head

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Speaker 1: coach after six seasons. So this podcast, and we thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here, is always Happy New Year to you,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a couple of days late, even though

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Speaker 1: I know that I've officially crossed the Larry David Curb

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Speaker 1: your Enthusiasm deadline for saying Happy New Year. We're going

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Speaker 1: to do two things in this edition. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about Miles s Garett, the win. Andre Schmidt is

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Speaker 1: going to join us, the Browns Kicker with a great

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Speaker 1: walk off. What a story he wrote Week one, you

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Speaker 1: know what happened against the Bengals. Week eighteen, you saw

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Speaker 1: Sunday what happened in Cincinnati to beat the Bengals. Andre

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Speaker 1: Schmidt will be here also. Andrew Barry will be here

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Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes as well. He joined shortly

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Speaker 1: after he was on the podium discussing discussing the dismissal

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Speaker 1: of Kevin Stefanski, not trying to ignore that. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get to that. Let's focus on the game in

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. First, what you heard from me and Nathan

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Speaker 1: coming out was like, oh my god, thank god he

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Speaker 1: got it. And I saw Miles today, talked to him

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Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes. He had the same feeling, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, thank god we got him. And if

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Speaker 1: you go to Cleveland Browns dot com and you listen

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Speaker 1: to Miles who is miked up during the sack, he

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Speaker 2: What a moment that was.

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Speaker 1: To have him do it against Joe Burrow, against whom

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Speaker 1: he has the most sacks in his career now twelve,

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Speaker 1: he had eleven, tied with Lamar Jackson coming in was special.

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Speaker 1: To do it in a division game was special. But

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Speaker 1: the most important thing for Miles Garrett there was the

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Speaker 1: fact that he did it in a win and the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Browns closed out with two division wins.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen days ago. We're talking about not even I mean

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Speaker 1: nine days ago. We're talking about the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Browns had yet to win a division game, and what

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Speaker 1: that and how bad that is?

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Speaker 2: Not good?

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Speaker 1: But not only veterans on this team, but rookies on

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Speaker 1: this team can head to the offseason knowing you got

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Speaker 1: two huge wins over two division rivals, one of which

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Speaker 1: obviously meant a lot. The game against the Steelers kept

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Speaker 1: them out of the playoffs. They subsequently have made the

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Speaker 1: postseason by beating the Ravens, But the other one against

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, team that honestly not only had a lot

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Speaker 1: to play for. Don't push back, believe me, they want

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Speaker 1: to win. They're angry. That's not a happy place right now.

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Speaker 1: But it took them off in a litany of ways.

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Speaker 1: It took them off that they lost. It took them

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Speaker 1: off that Shador drove down the field, and it took

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Speaker 1: the record twenty three sacks, I would say, I hear it, guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys were driving meeting the Bengals five minutes to go,

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Speaker 1: but come on, like, let the guy have his moment.

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Speaker 1: I think, deep night inside, Joe Burr is probably happy

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Speaker 1: for Miles that he had his moment. At the same

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Speaker 2: The moment was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to get it, like

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Speaker 1: I said, because look, Miles, that was the most snaps

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Speaker 1: he had played the entire season. It was top ten

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Speaker 1: most snaps he's played in any game as a Brown

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Speaker 2: At like half of those games were overtime games. So

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Speaker 2: he was out there. He was gassed, clearly, But it.

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Speaker 1: Kind of actually worked to the Browns favor that the

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Speaker 1: because that was not the game plan. They were going

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Speaker 1: then both Tyson Campbell and Denzel Ward got out, went

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Speaker 1: Dangela Ross pressed into action, usually a special teams guy,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was going to throw and that met Miles

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Speaker 1: Jj Watt set the all time TfL record with thirty nine,

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Speaker 1: thirty TFLs. Only two players have ever recorded excuse me,

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Speaker 1: thirty TFLs in a season, TJ and Miles. You throw

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Speaker 1: relieved he got it, Relieved that his parents, Lawrence and Audrey,

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Speaker 1: Today at the cross Country Mortgage campus that Mike Hall

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Speaker 1: brought in. Who doesn't love cake? Miles celebrated with ice

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Speaker 1: Cream told me cookies and cream and strawberry if you

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Speaker 1: Great as well that Andre Schmid did his thing. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's also pretty cool that Shador Sanders made

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Speaker 1: He certainly struggled. But at the end, when you had

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Speaker 1: What more do you want? What more do you want?

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Speaker 1: You play winning football? I know what you want. You

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Speaker 1: zone football. I totally understand that. I'm not here as

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Speaker 1: an excuse maker. I think you guys have realized that,

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Speaker 1: We're going to ask Andrew Berry about his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Shrador Sanders in the offseason as well, coming up in

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Speaker 1: He said he had a return touchdown in college, but

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Speaker 1: gren Delpert was great on the podium today in his

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Speaker 1: final remarks as well, and a word of appreciation for

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Speaker 1: Joel Patonio his one hundred and seventy eighth career start,

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Speaker 1: perhaps his last. He got a little teary eyed today,

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Speaker 1: Always a stand up guy there talking with the media

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Speaker 1: about how much he loved Kevin Stefanski. He said that yes,

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Speaker 2: In his decision. Obviously there's a new head coach.

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Speaker 1: He's got to decide a if he wants to play

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Speaker 2: That's not sugarcoing anything, that's just reality.

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Speaker 1: Bo when asked how do you want fans to remember

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Speaker 1: Joel talked about just being a guy that showed up

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Speaker 1: I know the Northeast Ohio know the Browns fans, Browns

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Speaker 1: I wish you were there, and I wish you could

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Speaker 1: because he is that guy. Through thick and through thin,

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Speaker 1: of injuries, Joel Patonio has always showed up for this

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Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer four a reason. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to Andre Schmidt, and I don't want to give us

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Speaker 1: some final thoughts here on Kevin Stefanski. I'm fairly certain

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Speaker 1: this is the first repeat guest on the Bark Tank

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Speaker 1: this year, because once again, Andre Schmidt hit a walk

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Speaker 2: Where's the game ball in my locker? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take it home with the others and the

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Speaker 2: How good that feel?

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Speaker 3: Feels good? Feels good, full circle moment, you know, to

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Speaker 3: You know, you don't know who you're going to be

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been carried around on shoulders like that?

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Speaker 3: I don't think I have no. First time?

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Speaker 2: How did that feel? What's that?

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Speaker 1: What's the view like from on top of your teammates shoulders?

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Speaker 3: Intimidating?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: I mean you just don't know what to do it?

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Speaker 3: Just like first stuff there, like don't drop me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I saw Corey and we didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 2: It's a great time.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of you know, calling it,

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Speaker 1: and the TV broadcast had the same thing, like it's up,

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Speaker 1: it's good. But at the same time, there's a flag.

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Speaker 1: Did you know immediately that it was on the Bengals

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Originally. I kicked the ball and I looked up and

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Speaker 3: I see it going on target, and then I see

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Speaker 1: And then figured it out. So it was a forty

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Speaker 1: Kevin obviously was let go this morning. Kevin was one

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Speaker 3: I've seen these videos.

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Speaker 4: They've been incredibly difficult, Andrew, Kevin is pure hearted, awesome person.

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Speaker 2: A perennial winner.

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Speaker 1: What does Andrew Berry look for in a new head coach.

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Speaker 1: You're going to do interviews, You're going to sit down,

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Speaker 1: You're going to cast wide net. I would have to

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Speaker 1: assume when you sit down across the table from a candidate,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to hear and see?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's first and foremost a leader ship position,

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Speaker 4: and it's a leadership of a number of different constituencies,

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Speaker 4: the players, the assistant coaches, the support staff, the organization

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Speaker 4: during times of crisis, and so you're looking for someone

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Speaker 4: who has that level of leadership range. And then secondly,

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Speaker 4: it's a partnership. It's a partnership with ownership with the

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Speaker 4: front office, you know, with the general manager, and because

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Speaker 4: you're really building the team and building the organization together.

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Speaker 2: It's a relationship. It's funny to use that word.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it is, but I've heard others in the past

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Speaker 1: describe interviewing a candidate is kind of like dating, like

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, in a minute or two

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Speaker 1: you get it feel like, all right, this is the

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Speaker 1: one would would you draw that parallel?

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Speaker 4: I personally would not, Okay, And the and the reason

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't is because you know, we've we've we've often

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Speaker 4: looked at like hiring hygiene in oftentimes what.

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Speaker 2: Does it mean hiring hygiene?

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Speaker 4: Like good process with okay, And and oftentimes the interview

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Speaker 4: can be overweighted when you're you know, when you're when

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Speaker 4: you're making those decisions. That's not to say that it's

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Speaker 4: not important, but it's maybe a little bit like what

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Speaker 4: we do with players where you know, our scouts they

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Speaker 4: go out and they talk to everyone who's worked with them,

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Speaker 4: knows them intimately, things like that, you know, we get

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Speaker 4: fifteen minutes at the combine, we may get another tool,

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Speaker 4: you know, a day at a site visit and everything

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Speaker 4: like that, and Some of the mistakes that you can

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Speaker 4: make with the makeup are if hey, they had the

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Speaker 4: flu that day, or they're really energetic or really charismatic,

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't actually get to the essence of their character.

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Speaker 4: So for us, it's a lot more of the information

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Speaker 4: that we collect and the aggregate than just solely the interview.

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Speaker 1: How will the quarterback question affect the head coaching.

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Speaker 4: Search, Well, it certainly something that we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: about a lot with the candidates, but it's maybe a

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Speaker 4: little bit less on their particular view of the quarterback

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Speaker 4: situation and more about their thoughts and planning for it.

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Speaker 1: And what would you I know you mentioned should or

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Speaker 1: up on the side on the podium rather what would

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Speaker 1: you like to see his offseason look like? And what

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Speaker 1: have you seen these last seven weeks building towards twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: So I like it to see him continue to make progress.

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Speaker 4: He got valuable reps this year starting seven games. I

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Speaker 4: think he's got to continue to make progress with his

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Speaker 4: his his pocket management, his situational awareness, you know, things

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Speaker 4: like that. But you'd like to see him take, you know,

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Speaker 4: take a take a major step forward going into Week one.

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Speaker 2: During the game of Cincinnati. Nathan and I before that

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Speaker 2: that final drive said.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of Shore's closing argument, if you will

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Six, how did you feel it? Yeah? I thought it

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Speaker 2: was a great I'm sorry for twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was a great situation for him

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Speaker 4: to be in because you look in a game where

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Speaker 4: he was scuffling. It wasn't one of his stronger games.

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Speaker 4: Certainly early on. It's like, hey, can we get settled

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Speaker 4: and get the team in scoring position to win the game.

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Speaker 4: And he was able to do that. And I think, like,

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Speaker 4: you're not always going to have your fastball every week

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Speaker 4: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's too hard.

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Speaker 4: Defenses are too good. But the fact that he was

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Speaker 4: able to do that and lead us on a scoring

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Speaker 4: drive when we absolutely needed it certainly a positive.

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Speaker 1: Finally, you have a timetable in your head. I know

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Speaker 1: you're going to find the right guy. That's the most

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Speaker 1: important thing. But realistically, would you like to have something

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Speaker 1: done before mobile, before the combine?

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Speaker 2: What does that look like?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I guess in a vacuum you'd like

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Speaker 4: to have combines, certainly, obviously, but I'd say this to me,

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Speaker 4: it's more about hiring process and hiring the right person

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Speaker 4: than the timing. I think you think about Indianapolis a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, where they thought they were hiring

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Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels, that changed at the last minute they pivot

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Speaker 4: to Frank Right. I think that happened like right at

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Speaker 4: the combine. I think they went and won eleven games

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Speaker 4: that year because they found the right individual. So we're

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Speaker 4: not going to be bound by artificial time barriers obviously,

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Speaker 4: like you'd like to have, you know, adequate lead up

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Speaker 4: time into some of the league events, but if we don't,

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Speaker 4: it's more important to find the right person.

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Speaker 2: I had last thing message to the fans would.

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Speaker 4: Be what my message to the fans is, we know

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Speaker 4: how difficult this year has been, and we appreciate the loyalty,

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Speaker 4: the passion, the commitment to the team regardless of what

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Speaker 4: we're going through, and that's something we will never take

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Speaker 4: for granted. My commitment to you all is to make

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Speaker 4: sure that we find the right leader and build the

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Speaker 4: right roster that allows us to have perennial success.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Berry, thanks for jumping on the bar tank all right,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Andrew Andrew Berry GM of the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking to add to the draft the third

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Speaker 1: Thursday in August, and there are a lot of steps

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Speaker 1: on the as we call it, path to the draft.

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Speaker 2: There is Mobile, there is the Senior Bowl. There's the East.

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Speaker 1: West Game as well that is played in Dallas, and

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Speaker 1: then obviously the Combine right after the Olympics at the

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Speaker 1: end of February. You get it, you've been through this before.

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Speaker 1: The Browns will be picking sixth, that's their pick. Then

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Speaker 1: they also have the Jaguars pick, which right now we

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Speaker 1: don't know where that is going to be. The best

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Speaker 1: case scenario is its twenty three. It can be anywhere

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Speaker 1: between twenty three and thirty two. If the Jaguars lose

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Speaker 1: on wild Card weekend, the best the pick can be

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Speaker 1: is twenty three. Now that's only if the Patriots also lose.

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Speaker 1: If the Jaguars lose and the Patriots win on wild

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Speaker 1: Card weekend, the pick will be twenty four. So the

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Speaker 1: Browns have those two picks, you see what they do

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Speaker 1: with it, and you try to build the rest of

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Speaker 1: this roster. We're going to be here as the bar

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Speaker 1: tank transitions.

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Speaker 2: Into best pot available, Gabe, We're doing best pot available

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Speaker 2: right If not Gabe's going to cut this out.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, and Gibbey and I will be taking you

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Speaker 1: on that path to the draft. Just on a personal

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Speaker 1: note here, thanks for listening and watching this show every

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Speaker 1: single week. Thanks to the aforementioned Gabe Color standing off

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Speaker 1: camera right now, who put it all together tirelessly juggling

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Speaker 1: a million balls as he always does with all his

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Speaker 1: other responsibilities here in Bourria. I want to thank I

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Speaker 1: want to thank the fans for sticking with this team.

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Speaker 2: AB just had that message. My personal message is.

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Speaker 1: Like, we're with you like Nathan and I truly and

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Speaker 1: girod are with you every single day. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to our broadcast. We try to shoot straight

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Speaker 1: with you. At times you can't sugarcoat it, and at

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Speaker 1: times those wins probably sound a little bit too excited

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Speaker 1: from us, because where as happy as you are, right like,

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Speaker 1: this team made the playoffs twenty four months ago, twenty

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Speaker 1: four months ago, this team was getting ready for the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt that this team can do that.

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Speaker 1: There were three teams that were in last place last

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Speaker 1: year twenty twenty four, finished and last and ended up

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs. There are two teams picking in the

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Speaker 1: top five last year that ended up making the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: the Browns finish, and last they picked six. This team

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Speaker 1: can do it next year, and when.

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Speaker 2: It happens, it's going to be amazing. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I do have that faith because I'm the

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Speaker 1: Sunday Morning optimist and I wake up every.

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Speaker 2: Day every week thinking that A.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a win and B it's going

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Speaker 1: to lead this team on a path to where it

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Speaker 1: needs to be and where you deserve it to be.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm that guy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for welcoming me and Nathan and Gerard into

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Speaker 1: your homes, your cars, your headphones, wherever you're taking into

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Speaker 1: our broadcast every single week.

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Speaker 2: We're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be grinding, just like everyone here is

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Speaker 1: to get this right. We will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: This has been the Mark Tank. Everybody percented by Sugardale.

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Speaker 2: My name is ANDREWS. Ciciliano. So long,