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Speaker 1: The next phase of the off season program is underway.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvic joins me.

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Speaker 1: It's day one of OTA's and a lot of news

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Speaker 1: to get to aerics. Johnson Junior is making a move

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Speaker 1: to left tackle. Joint practices will be held with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and we hear from Zay Jones. The newest edition to

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Speaker 1: the Wide Receiver Room. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven

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Speaker 1: sixty and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Boa Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So I have a request, Paul.

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Speaker 3: It's a little early in the week for requests, really

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Speaker 3: on a Monday. I mean, isn't it just enough that

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Speaker 3: I'm here?

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Speaker 1: Because you were so good at the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals schedule and how you were able to navigate

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Speaker 1: the weather and the potential bad weather city games that

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Speaker 1: you only really have won if you could do something

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Speaker 1: and put whatever phone calls you need to do for

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Speaker 1: a repeats of what was Monday's first Ota May twentieth.

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Speaker 1: We are in almost Memorial days coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yet Paul, it was eighty six degrees, nice breeze, there

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Speaker 1: were rain clouds in the sky. If we can dial

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Speaker 1: that up for maybe the duration of the Summer's that

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Speaker 1: too much task?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these new guys, these new players like Zay Jones

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Speaker 3: who met the media a little while ago, they have

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Speaker 3: no idea how bad it could be on May twentieth.

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Speaker 3: Usually typically and you know what that means. That means

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Speaker 3: it's going to be like still one hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: and come Halloween, that's usually what that means. But in

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Speaker 3: the moment, we'll enjoy it. We'll take it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were afforded the ability if we've chose to

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Speaker 1: to wear shorts because we're outside in practice. And I'll

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Speaker 1: raise my hand. Yes, I was out there wearing shorts

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Speaker 1: with a handful of others, but not that I got

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Speaker 1: cold out there, Paul, But I did feel a little

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Speaker 3: Please say no. And by the way, you know who

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Speaker 3: you are, those who should be wearing shorts, and those

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Speaker 3: who should not. And typically this is where I name names.

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Speaker 3: But I've learned the hard way that really I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: throw out any sort of name like Zach or anything

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Speaker 3: proceed all right, We'll proceed here with Monday's Day one,

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Speaker 3: the third phase of the off season strength and conditioning program.

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Speaker 3: It's organized team activities OTAs four shorts. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: speaking of shorts, I could have named any of about

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Speaker 3: seventeen different media members. Okay, I just threw that out

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Speaker 3: there because I'm pretty sure Zach has one coming anyway.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of Zach's in the media, by the way,

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Speaker 1: so this doesn't quite narrow it down.

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Speaker 3: Right, no last names.

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Speaker 1: You're right absolutely out on the field on Monday, offense

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Speaker 1: time this offseason. But before even that, Paul, we got

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Speaker 1: some news ahead of practice from head coach Jonathan Gannon,

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Speaker 3: Junior saying, you know, it looks smooth, looks natural. Not

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Speaker 1: It's the spot that he played at Ohio State and

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Speaker 1: Because DJ Humphries is here, well, hump is no longer

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Speaker 1: Even though you did sign Jonah Williams in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: But remember a year ago with the Bengals, he played

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Speaker 3: And a lot of analysts thought that Jonah Williams had

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Speaker 3: So based on those early returns, that was fortuitous both

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Speaker 3: let there be competition. Christian Jones the rookie, We'll see

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Speaker 3: But then you even have like there was a name

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Speaker 3: Evan Brown might be the strongest guy in that weight room. Now,

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Speaker 3: when Will Hernandez was asked that same question, he deferred

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Speaker 3: And it's always great to hear these guys talk about

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Speaker 3: lifting weights. Craig and we looked at each other during

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Speaker 3: problem with that. I know what dumbbells to raise or

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Speaker 3: a hundred pound dumb bell off the rack, Let's lift it.

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Speaker 1: On the subject though of Evan Brown, we haven't really

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Speaker 1: at least with the Cardinals are concerned. But the question

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Speaker 1: So might there be some discussion as far as moving

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be shocked if Yelder Froholdt isn't the starting center.

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Speaker 3: I get it, Evan Brown has a lot of experience

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Speaker 3: and he's played at a decent level. But Yelder Froholdt

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Speaker 3: It sounds like Kyler Murray is a fan and you

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Speaker 3: know how critical that is, especially especially in this offense

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Speaker 3: when Kyler's under center more than he's been in his

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Speaker 3: Is there a deeper position battle on this roster right

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Speaker 3: as entrenched at center. Every other guy wants a roster

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Speaker 3: opportunity is? Left guard?

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Speaker 1: Evan Brown, Elijah Wilkinson last year's starter until he got hurt,

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Speaker 3: Yep, Tristan Cologne, Carter O'Donnell. All these guys who are

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Speaker 3: currently on the roster, I mean, where are they thinking

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Speaker 3: to compete and Isaiah Adams, I think is really intriguing.

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Speaker 3: When he came in and he met the media last week, Craig,

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Speaker 3: I'm like three oh five. Really, he looks in great shape.

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Speaker 3: I mean to carry three oh five. He looked more

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Speaker 3: smaller corner as well. That's where I think this team

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Speaker 3: combined with Kyler Murray and his legs and his athleticism,

436
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Speaker 3: and then a Trey McBride, and you got two powerbacks

437
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Speaker 3: and a James Connor and a Trey Benson, I would

438
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Speaker 3: not be shocked. In fact, I might darn well expect

439
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Speaker 3: this to be a top ten red zone team, and

440
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Speaker 3: we know how critical that is. Every year you look

441
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Speaker 3: at teams that excel in third down, third down defense,

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Speaker 3: red zone, red zone defense. Those are two of the

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Speaker 3: top three to five things every coach looks at initially

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Speaker 3: to assess, okay, how are we doing this year?

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were seventh in red zone efficiency a year ago,

446
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Speaker 1: twenty seven touchdowns on forty three trips, which is just

447
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Speaker 1: under sixty three percent, So that is very, very good.

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Speaker 1: But if those touchdowns, if you're settling for field goals,

449
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden your scoring go up,

450
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Speaker 1: you get those extra three points plus the pat and

451
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're not having those empty red

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Speaker 1: zone tripts. Because there were a number of times a

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Speaker 1: year ago and even going back before last season, how

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Speaker 1: many times this team was able to navigate in between

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Speaker 1: the twenties. But it's once they got to those final

456
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Speaker 1: twenty yards they bogged down and had to settle for

457
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Speaker 1: a field goal or went Ford putches more stress on

458
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Speaker 1: an offense, and then you're having to run more plays.

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Speaker 1: More plays means more mistakes can happen. But with a

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Speaker 1: taller target and even a James Connor coming out of

461
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Speaker 1: the backfield, how much more As far as turning the

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Speaker 1: hand the ball off, might we see more of an

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Speaker 1: air attach in that end zone, because again, you've got

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Speaker 1: four guys that are taller than six to two or

465
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Speaker 1: six to two and above. How many defensive backfields or

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Speaker 1: defensive backs can match up with what the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: showing inside the red zone?

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Speaker 3: And that really is the big difference with this Drew

469
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Speaker 3: Petsen offense is the play action is the is the

470
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Speaker 3: legitimate run game top five obviously a year ago, number

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Speaker 3: two in yards per carry, But then how he uses

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Speaker 3: the threat of the run in the play action. It's

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Speaker 3: why they wanted Kyler under center, because they want the

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Speaker 3: threat of the play action. They want to keep the

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Speaker 3: front seven honest. When you go into shotgun, how many

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Speaker 3: defensive linemen have we heard say it eliminates so many

477
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Speaker 3: possibilities of what's coming their way all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to be worried about a whole side

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Speaker 3: of the play sheet because out of shotgun, there's only

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Speaker 3: so many things that are feasible and possible, so you

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Speaker 3: get into the red zone. That's good to know. Seventh

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Speaker 3: in red zone efficiency considering you played half your season

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Speaker 3: without Kyler Murray. Now, Josh Dobbs did a pretty nice

484
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Speaker 3: job with his legs in the red zone as well.

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Speaker 3: There was at least one red zone touchdown run. But

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Speaker 3: beyond that, you know, I just think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be an area of the Cardinals game on offense that

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Speaker 3: other teams are going to fear. This year, Cardinals in

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Speaker 3: their red zone capabilities forty three total trips inside the

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Speaker 3: red zone, but that was the fourth fewest in the league. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: red zone efficiency. When they got.

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Speaker 1: There, can you get there more often and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden give your offense more opportunities to get the

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Speaker 1: ball into the end zone. So once they're there, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sixty three percent, but you're not getting there enough times.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the Cardinals were sitting there struggling to

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Speaker 1: get to that twenty point mark and obviously struggling to

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Speaker 1: get wins.

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Speaker 3: See last year we had Kramitt vertical, which was the

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Speaker 3: straight ahead run game. This year, I'm going with path

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Speaker 3: of totality. Long touchdown drives doesn't have to be a

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Speaker 3: ninety nine yard touchdown drive to be the path of totality.

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Speaker 3: Eighty or more path of totality, and so guess we'll

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Speaker 3: make it seventy five or more considering the whole touchback

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Speaker 3: rule and everything that is a long touchdown drive like

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Speaker 3: that which we're hard to come by based on those

507
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Speaker 3: numbers by the Cardinals a year ago. Once again you're

508
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Speaker 3: dealing with a backup quarterback situation. But yes, that is

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Speaker 3: an area that you want to improve this year because

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Speaker 3: once you get within range of that end zone, man,

511
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Speaker 3: Cardinals have so many weapons to choose from and effective

512
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Speaker 3: weapons in the red zone that all right, now, you

513
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Speaker 3: just have to get in position.

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Speaker 1: And that is something that is being worked on this offseason.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be worked on in training camp, and we

516
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Speaker 1: found out officially that it is going to be We

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Speaker 1: assume the red zone will be worked on. But the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals we know, are going to have joint practices that

519
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Speaker 1: had already been announced and now we know the team. Paul,

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Speaker 1: looks like you're head to Indianapolis for a couple of

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Speaker 1: days before that second preseason game against the Colts. According

522
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Speaker 1: to JG, a couple of practices against good friend Shane Steiken,

523
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Speaker 1: as those two really bonded during their time with the

524
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator defensive coordinator respectively. Now they're going

525
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Speaker 1: to put their two teams together for some competition. If

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Speaker 1: you will, hopefully cool their heads prevail. But a couple

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Speaker 1: of days of practice before preseason game likely that weekend.

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Speaker 3: Can I go out this coming weekend because of the

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Speaker 3: five hundred? Right the Indy five hundred the runout, So.

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Speaker 1: The timing is a little bit off for you is Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're saying.

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe I need to go on a scouting

533
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Speaker 3: make sure you know, you know, in advanced scouting. That's

534
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Speaker 3: what they call it right in the league. Right, go

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Speaker 3: on to some advanced scouting and make sure all the

536
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Speaker 3: particulars are there. Catch the five hundred while I'm out there. Yeah, Look,

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Speaker 3: it was interesting to hear. Jonathan Gannon also cite the

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Speaker 3: GM Chris Ballard because once upon a time he was

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Speaker 3: an assistant coach in Indianapolis and that's where his pass

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Speaker 3: crossed with Matt Eberfluss, who he's very tight with, along

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Speaker 3: with Shane Steiken, two other NFL head coaches. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're going to the Colts and this will be interesting,

543
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Speaker 3: really interesting. Anthony Richardson, who, by the way, I saw

544
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Speaker 3: an NFL dot Com one person had him rated as

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Speaker 3: the eighth most likely MVP candidate this year despite the

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Speaker 3: fact he played less than five games. I'm not sure

547
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Speaker 3: that must have been his version of a hot take.

548
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Speaker 3: Do you get people talking about his top ten because

549
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Speaker 3: you know it's Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar Jackson and

550
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Speaker 3: then number eight was Anthony Richardson. I'm like, really okay,

551
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Speaker 3: but he did show some flashes, so it'll be interesting

552
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Speaker 3: to see him, you know, going against that Cardinals defense.

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Speaker 3: And look, I'd say the most telling sessions of last

554
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Speaker 3: August were against the Vikings, and I still believe that's

555
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Speaker 3: where the Cardinals looked at their offense and said, we

556
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Speaker 3: need to make a move. And by the time the

557
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Speaker 3: second eleven on eleven full scale as far as as

558
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Speaker 3: far as they let it get, it's not tackling to

559
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Speaker 3: the ground, full scale practice was done, they made a

560
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Speaker 3: move for Josh Dobbs, and so you get a real

561
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Speaker 3: sense of where you feel like you need improvement because

562
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Speaker 3: the other team is bringing it and you're not. Just

563
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Speaker 3: you know, it's not just two guys who know each other.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of false positives you get

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Speaker 3: in your own training camp that you don't get when

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Speaker 3: you go into a joint practice situation.

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Speaker 1: What looks good out there on that field behind you,

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Speaker 1: Paul and going up against one another day in day out,

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Speaker 1: just how good have we become? Talking about the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: just how good can we be? How much further do

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Speaker 1: we need to go? And all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: bring in that other colored uniform in for a couple

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Speaker 1: of different days of practice and then a preseason game.

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Speaker 1: I'll argue that the joint practices are much more beneficial

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Speaker 1: than the games themselves, because during those joint practices, you

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Speaker 1: could halt practice, you could manifest and set different scenarios

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Speaker 1: up and say, hey, we're gonna go goal line here,

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Speaker 1: third down and four when we're down four points we

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Speaker 1: needed to score. You can't do that inside of a game,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a preseason game. So I do think

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Speaker 1: that these practices, and we've seen it across the league,

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Speaker 1: are very structured. What do you guys want to work on?

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Speaker 1: This is what we're looking at. Not quite sure we

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Speaker 1: are where we need to be in this area of

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Speaker 1: the game or this position group, let's work on that

586
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Speaker 1: attack that to your point, the quarterback position. A year ago,

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Speaker 1: even though you knew Kyler was coming back, at some point,

588
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Speaker 1: this coaching staff, this front office concerned enough about those

589
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Speaker 1: first several games with Colt McCoy that they needed to

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Speaker 1: make a move to kind of make it competitive. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: those other guys in that locker room know exactly what

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Speaker 1: they have, even though the outside doesn't. So you have

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Speaker 1: to make sure that those other guys, those other fifty

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Speaker 1: two are in there saying okay, yeah, we have a chance.

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Speaker 3: You get a lot of best on best in those

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Speaker 3: joint practices. You get the ones going against ones, and

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Speaker 3: they're ones against your ones on either side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: How often do you get that in preseason games? Not

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Speaker 3: too often. So you get extended looks in those situations.

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Speaker 3: And at least as far as that Minnesota session went

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Speaker 3: last year, you saw Brian Flores, their defensive coordinator, was

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Speaker 3: truly dialing it up. There wasn't no stinking vanilla defense

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Speaker 3: being played against the Minnesota Vikings. Brian Flores, Bflow as

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Speaker 3: they call him, he was dialing up blitzes. He was

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Speaker 3: given some pretty crazy looks and so you this isn't

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Speaker 3: a vanilla scheme. So it gets you more regular season

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Speaker 3: ready in my opinion, because now receivers have to adjust,

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen have to adjust, and you get a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff that you know, look, when you're running against

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Speaker 3: your own team, all the way back to high school football.

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Speaker 3: Everyone starts to know the playbook they just do. Now

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Speaker 3: you go and get someone else running a different system

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Speaker 3: with different burbage. All of a sudden, you can't cheat

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Speaker 3: because you don't really know what's coming like you would

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Speaker 3: in your own practice.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of cheating, make sure that your co host, your

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Speaker 1: broadcast colleague over there, Moron Woofley, doesn't cheat out on

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Speaker 1: the meal in Indianapolis, that you do at least make

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Speaker 1: one trip to Saint Elmo's at least one, okay, and

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Speaker 1: make sure that, of course wolf takes the.

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Speaker 3: Off the table. I'm gonna need you or Darren Urban

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Speaker 3: or Danny to make the reservation. You guys go out

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Speaker 3: to the Combine every year, so I need someone to

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Speaker 3: hook us up with a good reservation because Wolfe's not

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Speaker 3: capable of that.

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Speaker 1: He needs people to do that for him. That would

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Speaker 1: be at cards Chatterick. You want to know that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just ask Darreon. He knows, he knows people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everywhere. So just like Charles Barkley used his one

630
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Speaker 3: question in the post game after the t Wolves win

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Speaker 3: to ask Anthony Edwards where the best restaurants are in Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: Mike is that journalism or what you know? So I

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Speaker 3: guess I'll have to do the same thing. I'll use

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Speaker 3: my one question to ask where are the best restaurants

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Speaker 3: in any one?

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Speaker 1: Final note here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hundai,

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals, we brought up the

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Speaker 1: fact that Kyler Murray was in attendance at the d

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Speaker 1: Backs game on Sunday with Paris, with Will, with Froholtz,

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Speaker 1: with Greg, George Paul. We're seeing Kyler spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time, a lot of public time in front of

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Speaker 1: the camera, whether that's TV, social media, or photography. He

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Speaker 1: is spending a lot of time with his teammates, not

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Speaker 1: here at the facility that he is doing, but away

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Speaker 1: from the facility. And it's not just offensive Lineman. We've

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Speaker 1: seen James Connor, We've seen the wide receivers, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that's a change from seasons previous, at least

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Speaker 1: again publicly, and I do think it matters to the fans,

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Speaker 1: to the media to see this and then for his

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Speaker 1: teammates as well to kind of get to know who

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Speaker 1: the leader of your franchise is. And that's the.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback look when he first showed up the face of

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Speaker 3: the franchise, the player that everyone followed everybody now Larry Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 3: And then after that you had some pretty big personalities

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Speaker 3: in JJ Watt, DeAndre Hopkins. Right, these are all pros

656
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Speaker 3: and future Hall of famers and big media entities themselves.

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Speaker 3: So now, all of a sudden, this is just my observation,

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Speaker 3: It's only an observation. I think that Kyler finally feels

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Speaker 3: like it's his team.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Last offseason he couldn't really grow into that role because

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Speaker 3: he was rehabbing. So now all of a sudden, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's his team. He's the man. He's definitely paid like

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Speaker 3: the man this year. One of the top ten hys

665
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Speaker 3: paid players in the league this year. So guess what

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Speaker 3: this is what comes with being a franchise quarterback who's

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Speaker 3: paid accordingly. But to your point, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of it is organic. It's not orchestrated. You know, yes,

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Speaker 3: they're out in about, Yes they have some great seats

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Speaker 3: sitting courtside or in the front row of the d

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Speaker 3: Backs game, so they're gonna get on camera. But you know,

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Speaker 3: there's plenty of other stuff where he's out of a

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Speaker 3: high school throwing and then all of a sudden throws

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Speaker 3: to the construction worker. But these are things that the

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Speaker 3: team is seen on a daily basis. And look if

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Speaker 3: guys enjoy being around each other, and it just there's

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Speaker 3: something about that. You know what? The verb these days

678
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Speaker 3: is connected, right, these teams that are connected and versus

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Speaker 3: teams that are not connected. When it comes around to

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Speaker 3: the postseason, you can always seemingly notice the difference between

681
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Speaker 3: those teams that are truly connected. And in some cases,

682
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Speaker 3: all it takes is out one guy to bring the

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Speaker 3: entire locker room together. And right now Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: Appears to be that guy well and has brought it up,

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Speaker 1: said it means or it makes all the difference, and

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Speaker 1: it is organic, and you want to fight maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit harder, a little bit extra for those guys

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Speaker 1: that you're able to use the your word, Paul connect with.

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Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you're doing your job

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Speaker 1: so the guy next to you can be successful at

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Speaker 1: his job.

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Speaker 3: I would cite Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer. There's two

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Speaker 3: guys who checked that box. Kurt Warner came in, wasn't

694
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Speaker 3: just a leader, honestly, he reset and redefined the team culture.

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Speaker 3: He was the one who walked in the locker room

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Speaker 3: and said, guys, we need to aim higher. Guys, we

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Speaker 3: can make a playoff run. You get hot, you can

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Speaker 3: go all the way to the super Bowl and dang

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Speaker 3: near win the super Bowl. That was Kurt Warner. They

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Speaker 3: fed off him. He was the guy that everyone said,

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Speaker 3: all right, Kurt's been there, He's gonna lead the way.

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Speaker 3: And then Carson Palmer. On a Friday, Carson Palmer. BA

703
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Speaker 3: would outsource the entire walk through to Carson Palmer. He'd

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Speaker 3: run the practice himself, and then in the locker room

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Speaker 3: he thought Craig right, I mean, he was nobody. Nobody

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Speaker 3: had a better rapport with the other guys in the

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Speaker 3: locker room than Carson Palmer. Always the dry humor and

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Speaker 3: the backhanding compliments and the jokes and just you'd see

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Speaker 3: him around the team hotel and people are like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I have to No, guys try harder when their quarterback

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Speaker 3: is that guy. Guys are willing to put their livelihoods

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Speaker 3: on the line when they believe they have that connection

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Speaker 3: with the team leader who also happens to be the

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Speaker 3: franchise quarterback. That's how powerful that can be at times

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Speaker 3: in a league where everyone is their own independent contractor

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Speaker 3: and their own independent corporation. If you can slice through

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Speaker 3: that where it's no longer just a business and it's

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Speaker 3: back like playing high school or college ball, then all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, to me, that's where you achieve something

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Speaker 3: special in professional sports. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Definitely good to see Kyler Murray out and about with

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Speaker 1: his teammates, and also good to see over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: And I want to give a shout out to former

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinal running back David Johnson, who announced his retirement

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, and an Instagram post, Johnson said, quote,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to my next career path in life. Don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly what that will be, but I hope it

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Speaker 1: will bring me the same passion, excitement and love as

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Speaker 1: football did. So congratulations to David Johnson, third round pick

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Speaker 1: of the Cardinals in twenty fifteen and that spectacular twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen season twenty one hundred scrimming yards twenty total touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: He had his cleats in the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame after he had a rushing, receiving and kickoff return

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Speaker 1: touchdown his first three touches of the football. So Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for a brief period of time, David Johnson was very

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, is that true? The first three times it

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Speaker 3: was at least the first two touches.

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Speaker 1: The third might have been the second week, the second

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Speaker 1: game of his career, Yes, I remember, correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because it was the swing pass to check down

742
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Speaker 3: into the flat in Week one against the Saints when

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Speaker 3: he's a rookie, and he housed it from fifty five

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Speaker 3: yards out. And then he started the next week, Week

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Speaker 3: two at Chicago taking the opening kickoff back. The reason

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Speaker 3: I bring it up, Craig, is because there was a

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Speaker 3: bet on the sideline whether it was the first three

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Speaker 3: touches or not, and they had to go into great

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Speaker 3: detail and go through the box scores and play by

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Speaker 3: playing from what I ascertained, No, I think it was

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Speaker 3: is fifth touch where it ended up with the receiving touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: So but let me tell you there was a three

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Speaker 3: year stretch where a pair of third round rookies were

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Speaker 3: so dynamic. Twenty thirteen it was Tyron Matthewy, fifteen it

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Speaker 3: was David Johnson. And you get to the preseason and

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Speaker 3: whereas most players veterans are sitting on the bench and

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Speaker 3: they got their ball cap on and they have the

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Speaker 3: sunflower seeds. You know a player has made an impression

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Speaker 3: on the rest of the guys because players know players

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Speaker 3: when they come up to the white stripe, when they

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Speaker 3: get off the bench and they go get out of

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Speaker 3: the way. Let me see Tyron Matthew was that guy.

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Speaker 3: David Johnson was another guy. They wanted to see what

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Speaker 3: those guys looked like in game action because they had

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Speaker 3: made such waves in practice. So I'm wondering, who could

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Speaker 3: that guy be this year? Could it be Marvin Harrison Junior?

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Speaker 3: Could it be Dare I say, Darius Robinson? Hearing some

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Speaker 3: good things, some good things about Darius Robinson and what

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Speaker 3: sort of rookie season might be in store for the

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Speaker 3: Round one defense of lineman. Now is he putting any

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Speaker 3: pads on? Has the thing been full contact full football?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, But so far, so good Darius Robinson. I'm

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Speaker 3: also hearing good early returns going into year two for

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Speaker 3: Dante Stills and bj Ojalare. These are three guys that

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Speaker 3: would put on your watch list going into training camp

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Speaker 3: as guys who are ready to make much more of

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Speaker 3: an impact than they did a year ago, and obviously

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Speaker 3: with d rob being the rookie.

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Speaker 1: And Darius Robinson looks very very good and that number

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Speaker 1: fifty six uniform, now, there have been players that have

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Speaker 1: worn that uniform that have been very very good. I'm

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Speaker 1: not making it into comparison, but someone that can certainly

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Speaker 1: do some damage as a stand up defensive lineman or

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Speaker 1: a hand in the dirt defensive lineman. Talking about Darius

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Speaker 1: Robinson again, going back to can you master the playbook?

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Speaker 1: And then can you handle the physicality of an NFL

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman pushing you back on your heels? How do

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Speaker 1: you work around that to get to the quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Just think of the depth in that room, how different

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Speaker 3: that room is right now. And you know, we talked

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Speaker 3: to Kyle Vannibosch last week in the Red Sea Report,

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Speaker 3: as you know, and just said, hey, how much how

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Speaker 3: much impact can a fortified D line have in making

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Speaker 3: the edge guys that much more productive? And he immediately

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Speaker 3: jumped on it and said the three Pro bowls he

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Speaker 3: went to too with Albert Hainsworth and the third was

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Speaker 3: in Dominican sue. So if you can get a dominant

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Speaker 3: D line play funny, how a lot of your edge

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Speaker 3: rushers tend to eat a lot more. They're getting to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback with much greater frequency. And remember, you have

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Speaker 3: Zavian Collins a first round pick, you have bjo Ojularia

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Speaker 3: second round pick, you have capital, you have assets at

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Speaker 3: those edge rusher spots. Now can you maximize the production

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Speaker 3: out of those guys? And maybe one of the quickest

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Speaker 3: ways to do that is by bolstering your defensive line.

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Speaker 3: And there's no question the Cardinals have done that in

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Speaker 3: this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Oh there is no question. I mean that room on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side might be the most overturned roster as

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Speaker 1: far as new faces along the defensive side. Offensively, you

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Speaker 1: the room that needed something done this offseason, and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals did in free agency and they did it in

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Speaker 1: the draft as well.

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Speaker 3: So with Nick Rowlis, I'm curious what the scheme looks like.

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Speaker 3: You know, how more often are they going four down lineman,

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Speaker 3: especially when you're going against you know, teams that have

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Speaker 3: gassed you like the forty nine ers in the RAMS

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Speaker 3: to the top rushing teams in the league. What's that

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Speaker 3: going to look like the Rams rush defense in week two.

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Speaker 3: We know what Kien Williams did a year ago. Well,

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Speaker 3: there's now a lot more possibilities, a lot more at

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Speaker 3: the disposal of the two coordinators. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: interesting here Jonathan Gannon say that coaches have already embarked

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Speaker 3: on the whole Buffalo game plan. May is not too

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Speaker 3: early to start game planning for Week one of the

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Speaker 1: It will be. It will be here before you know it,

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Speaker 1: talking about that Week one trip to Buffalo to face

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and company. But the on field work is

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Speaker 1: underway here at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center.

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Speaker 1: It is Phase three, Day one of OTA's Cardinals on

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Speaker 1: the field now for the next four weeks, including mandatory

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Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Mamanre our ASSOCIP producer Cody Fitcher for Paul Calvc.

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