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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Unfortunately Ben

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Speaker 1: isn't here today, but I am joined by two wonderful

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Speaker 1: men that Andrew Spencer and Justin Glaze, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to do something fun today. It's Andrew and I.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be my host, and we are going

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Speaker 1: to interview one of his best friends, Justin Glaze, for

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Speaker 1: a mini in depth podcast. Um, and Andrew, I know

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Speaker 1: that you want to kind of maybe do this for

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Speaker 1: a living. You do you want to do some entertainment

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Speaker 1: reporting and some hosting and stuff. So this is your

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Speaker 1: chance to really show your chops, show us something. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I am going to take the first question. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's always hard to start these in depths. We can

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Speaker 1: either do go one of two routes justin we can

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Speaker 1: really start with the beginning of your bachelor journey, or

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Speaker 1: we can start with the beginning of your life. Well,

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Speaker 1: which one would you prefer? Let's go chronological. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with my life. Okay, great, So tell us like, were

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Speaker 1: you born in Baltimore which is where we know you from?

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Speaker 1: Born and raised in Baltimore? Haven't ventured too far from

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Speaker 1: the nest. Um. I'm looking at actually getting out of Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Love Baltimore, a great city that will always be home, UM,

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Speaker 1: but I need to I need to change, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I've been going back and forth between New York

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Speaker 1: of test the waters, um, and then from there, if

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Speaker 1: I love it, I might you know, stay for a year.

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Speaker 1: But eventually in my life I will live in l

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Speaker 1: A in New York at some point. Okay, that's great.

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Speaker 1: But do you find yourself, um, wanting to settle down

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Speaker 1: I mean families a huge part of my life. My

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Speaker 1: always say, you know, I want to venture out and

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Speaker 1: But I could always see myself coming back. But I'm

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Speaker 1: also type of personally, you know, if I meet somebody,

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Speaker 1: UM and they're strongly rooted and need to be and

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Speaker 1: wherever they you know, grew up, I'm open to going wherever. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd pull an acron ohio type

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Speaker 1: love love. Um, you know, I'm I'm down to go wherever. Um.

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Speaker 1: Obviously staying on the East Coast close to friends, family

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Speaker 1: would be ideal. But I'm a free bird, you know. Nice. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I know that you you know you want to

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Speaker 1: really going to like jump into like the influencer life.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're gonna want a little of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting get your The doors are open a little bit

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Speaker 1: more easily given the positions that you guys are in.

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Speaker 1: But like you are in finance. Yeah, no, I Um,

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Speaker 1: most people think I'm just like a full time artist.

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Speaker 1: I think you're a full time artist. This is what

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Speaker 1: I asked me to dinner the other night because I

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Speaker 1: saw that really cool mural that you did at Raven

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Speaker 1: that started. Um, I do work in finance full time. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the whole art thing, you know, I've been drawing

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Speaker 1: for five, he's really good. So they got me into

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Speaker 1: It's always just kind of been like a really nice

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Speaker 1: everything for over thirty years. You know, it just gave

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Speaker 1: But this is a super long way to answer, by

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Speaker 1: the way, but but it's it's been a really good

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Speaker 1: And you know, I Paradise isn't really like a microcosm

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Speaker 1: But a real relationship gets tough. And so, um, I

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Speaker 1: of ways. UM, I always say the one of the

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of allowed me to just take a

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Speaker 1: You know, like I know who I am. The people

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Speaker 1: and it was a lot of that was because you're

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Speaker 1: So they sit us down. Maybe Greg left before, who knows? Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you must have made to Caitlin. I think it was

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Speaker 1: Like you got it? It's all you buddy. Um you

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Speaker 1: know how this world can easily turn on you and like,

425
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: uh just kind of like turn you into this, oh

426
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,120
Speaker 1: he this or TikTok and something comes out like oh

427
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: this guy was with her her and he's this kind

428
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: of guy. So we're like, no, that's not gonna happen

429
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: in our group. You know, we're gonna stick together. We're

430
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy our time together. Um and if we're gonna

431
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: do paradise, we're gonna do it right, and we're not

432
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna slide in a bunch of girls d m s

433
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: and you know, talk to them like that we wanted

434
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: to actually do. I I kind of like, you know,

435
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 1: messed up with that obviously. I I sent uh Teddy

436
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: a New Year's passage. I was there with him. I

437
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: just was like, I was like, I'm gonna manifest this,

438
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: and uh I sent her a New Year's like hey,

439
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: I don't I know our passed across at some point.

440
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: And then that was pretty much it. And we had

441
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: like we shared like a nice couple of things. So

442
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: then that that's what really sparked the whole, Like you know,

443
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: Teddy Andrew thing going into Paradise was off of that

444
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: little conversation. Well, that's sweet. I like the fact that

445
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: you did on New Year's there's something like romantic about that.

446
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: Romantic is so bad. I think, like I'm living a

447
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: rom com sometimes. Probably my my my problem, No, it

448
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: was my problem. But then look, yeah, so just keep

449
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: that mentality. It's not a toxic trip. Okay. Well, now

450
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: we we have to beg the beg the question why

451
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: was Clayton choose over one of the chosen over one

452
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: of you? And then and then it's a follow up question,

453
00:21:53,359 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: then why was Zach chosen over one of you? Rodney

454
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: Rodney should have been the guy one thousand years I'm sorry,

455
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 1: Like Rodney was your guy, um or Mike Johnson. I

456
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: think those two would have been great. Um. But you know,

457
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: they picking Clayton. I mean, I don't know him too much.

458
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: It was a wild card for me because I didn't

459
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: really see it, like on their season on Michelle's they

460
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: could have picked like I said, Rodney again to Rodney

461
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: got screwed up twice. But I don't know. I mean,

462
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: that's that's just kind of how they operate. I mean everyone,

463
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, as they they have that that job for

464
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: a reason. You know, they feel like this is what's

465
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: gonna make the best and it's and it's nothing. I mean,

466
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: I don't know Clayton or Zach, they both seem like

467
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: really great, nice guys. You know, it's just nothing, and

468
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: it's and it sucks because like it's it's nothing against them, right,

469
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's just frustrating, you know, even taking a

470
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: step back just you know, I guess as a contestant

471
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: slash viewer now us knowing like our personalities and like

472
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: everything that goes on while you're actually filming and then

473
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: showing what they decided to air. It's like people want

474
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: to see like the un stuffed, you know, and it

475
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: just feels like sometimes it's like literally like a copy

476
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: paste copy paste, it's like split the script, like like

477
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're not giving people what they want to see.

478
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: You know. People are tired of the same old, same

479
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: every season, like switch it up, you know, and and

480
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: it just felt like we kind of were in that

481
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: influx where it's like we need something to rejuvenate the franchise, right,

482
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: And I think somebody like Rod Neat, like it would

483
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: have been a fresh, new you know take and you know,

484
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: and I think it had done a great job. So

485
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's even frustrating that not only is a

486
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: friend of his, but as like a viewer now to

487
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: be like yeah, And it's actually really funny. I was

488
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: talking to someone yesterday, like, uh, someone that was coming in.

489
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: They were like I think she was complimenting. Yes, she

490
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: was like, you guys, you know, you guys are just

491
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: like really hot whatever. And I was like, I was like, oh, well,

492
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: it's the personality. She's like, yeah, that's the thing. It's

493
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: like a personality hot. It's so much better. And I

494
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: think that's what the Bachelor needs it. They need a

495
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: personality guy because you know, a lot of the personalities

496
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: from the former bachelors have not been very very good.

497
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: Dry it's kind of dry. Yeah, So I think in

498
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: the in a in a way like that's what we're

499
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of missing, is like some like a little bit

500
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: of interest. You know. Um, you know, we've all seen

501
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: the six pack abs and the scruff. I think I

502
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: think that's like, uh, you know, it's it's kind of overdone.

503
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: I think what makes money laugh yeah, it's gonna buy

504
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: in and actually like cry because they really want to

505
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: like find this girl and they want to create this

506
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: connection where your best friends but also like your lovers

507
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. That's the story I want to see,

508
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like we don't see best friends

509
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: of the you know, the girl and the guy. It's

510
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: just more so just like off of attraction, and that's

511
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: why they never work, you know what I mean, Like

512
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: we don't get to see like the personality side of

513
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: these two, you know, growing together and being able to

514
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: laugh together. I bet you guys laugh a lot together. Yeah, yeah,

515
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: but like that's the thing. It's like, you know, I

516
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: think those are the things that are gonna get you

517
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: through all the hard times. Is that it's not going

518
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: to be the sexual you know, appeal most of the time.

519
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's what they're they're lacking. Um and

520
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: all these other shows have a lot of personality too

521
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: hot to handle or they're just doing reckless stuff, but

522
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: it's personality that's who they are. Like in The Bachelor,

523
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's the same personal Who are you gonna

524
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: be this guy or this guy? You're gonna be the

525
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I have abs and I

526
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: look like this, or you're gonna be the shot guy,

527
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like one of the

528
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: or you're the wholesome guy. You know, I'm not just

529
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: like a nice person Like my personality. Personality was not

530
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: fully shown to the point where you would see, you know,

531
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: me just being funny or you know, even me just

532
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: being serious. You know a lot of the times I

533
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: get like this super sappy kind of you know, like, oh,

534
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: he's just a you know, he's a nice guy, this,

535
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: this and that. Honestly, you know, like I said, I'm

536
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: taking jabs at all my Like, it's not like I'm

537
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: just a cookie cutter guy, you know. I think that

538
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: goes for a lot of us. Yeah, we just get

539
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: through a box, you know, and this is who we are.

540
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: So I think too got to handle. And the other

541
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: show you get to see, yeah, who you actually don't like,

542
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's crazy like people. I mean I remember

543
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: coming off of coming off a bad seurette. You know,

544
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: literally it was just my faces and then people saw

545
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: all this hanging out They're like, oh my god, Like

546
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: these guys have so much personality, Like shame on the

547
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: producer for not showing. I'm like, this is what people

548
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: want to see, like, you know, like the yeah, this

549
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: is a goof You guys are expressing a lot of

550
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: frustration that us who have been part of the franchise

551
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: for a while, um feel all the time because there

552
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: is so much funny content that is not shown. And

553
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: we see a lot in the credits, you know, in

554
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: the end, but it's like, oh no, that wasn't even it.

555
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: That wasn't even the funny stuff. But I will say,

556
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: speaking of Greg, there was a credit part that one

557
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: of the episodes you guys were on where you talked

558
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: with the accent and it was absolutely hysterical and I

559
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: wanted to see more like that is a guy that like, yeah,

560
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: like I can see how she likes him so much. Oh,

561
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: we can talk about this for so so long, but

562
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: let's let's get back to Paradise and because yeah, because

563
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: it's just so frustrating that Zax the Bachelor. Sure he's

564
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: a nice guy, but I really think it's strange that

565
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: Rodney didn't get Bachelor after that whole scene, Like the

566
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: producers knew that that whole scene, that whole breakup scene

567
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: was going to happen and then they went to pick

568
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Zach because it was very strange. Who knows who's pulling

569
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: the strings when we are speaking like we know the

570
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: producer and we know who our producers are. I don't

571
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: think that they are very in charge of this election. Yeah,

572
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like cass produces to think

573
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: about a lot of things that we don't really take

574
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: an account you know what I mean. They're they're looking

575
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: at so much other stuff that I probably don't even

576
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: know an analytically that we're not even like taking into accounts.

577
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: So I I give them the benefit of the doubt

578
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: because they have been doing this for a long time,

579
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, and they may work in the business, so

580
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to be like, oh, yeah,

581
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: this guy should be this, this guy this, So I

582
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: can't really tell off the jump, you know what I mean.

583
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know what they were looking at. I

584
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: just know just on a person basis of knowing people,

585
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: Rodney is just an exceptional human being, like and I

586
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: think that would have been just great to watch because

587
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: he's just such a good dude. Yeah, but I don't

588
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: want to take it away from you guys, because you

589
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: would have been really really super good, especially you could talk.

590
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: You're like, I want a wholesome girl, and I'm I

591
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: want my fairytale rom com. Like that is a leading

592
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: man right there. We should have given you your rom

593
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: com on ABC. Okay, but um Paradise, So you decide

594
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: to go justin? Why did you decide to go a

595
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: year at removed? Yeah? So they started calling me again

596
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: this year and I was actually seeing somebody, so I

597
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: was like, so, I was like, I think it's going

598
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: to be a no again for me. Guys serious, probably

599
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: like six months in decent. Yeah, so wait it maybe

600
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: five months in. Well, you're being honest, I'm like Erin huh. Yeah.

601
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Eron was on the podcast and tried to explain his

602
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: way out of it, and we're like, were you just

603
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: sitting there? Like I was like, okay, and and and

604
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: then it makes sense of this for me. And then

605
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: he kept kept talking. He kept talking. Yeah, he definitely.

606
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: So do you know you you believe the girls obviously

607
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: in Genevieve in this situation? Uh, I plead the fifth.

608
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm such a big Errand fan. He's

609
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: so fun to hang out with. He's a good dude.

610
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: He's a he's a good dude. I mean, I don't know.

611
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: You don't know. I mean, you gotta ask the girls.

612
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's not Genevieve. But the actually might have

613
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: been with we may have we may have had some sources,

614
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: but anyway, I didn't get into that with him. And

615
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: and we're just teasing it right now, but justinating a girl. Yeah,

616
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy actually, So I mean this may be again,

617
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you more than what you're asking for,

618
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, so I was seeing somebody selves like guys,

619
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And at the time, you know,

620
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: this person was not part of bachelination or anything. And

621
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy how it all unfolded because we

622
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: were doing like the Bachelor Live stuff right and they

623
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: were starting to tease up, like before they even asked me, like, oh,

624
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: they're shipping like Justin and so and so in Paradise,

625
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: like like in all these like accounts are starting to

626
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: put stuff out there, and this person that I was

627
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: seeing was seeing it and I was like getting really,

628
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: like are you going? I was like I told him that,

629
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: like I had no interest in going right now, like

630
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: I want to see where you and I go. You know,

631
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and she was getting kind of concerned, I guess self

632
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: conscious like or insecure about you know whatever. And I'm like, hey,

633
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: like I'm not making these memes. I'm like I'm you know,

634
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm in this whatever, and um, you know,

635
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: we ended up breaking things off and I was like,

636
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, if they call me again,

637
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: I tell them I'll go. And so like they kept calling.

638
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: They're persistent, So they kept calling and I was like,

639
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: there are people out there dying for that persistence from them. Yeah,

640
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: and I literally and I was I remember talking to

641
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: like the head guys and I'm like, I still don't

642
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. Um. I was like, you guys know me

643
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know that i'd be good for this,

644
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, we need personalities like yours to

645
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: balance that. Other personalities are gonna be really good for you.

646
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: And I'm just you know, sitting there looking through like

647
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: who the potential women were that we're gonna be there,

648
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I think it really like if this

649
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: guy wasn't going or any of my friends weren't going,

650
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: like I'd have been out. You know, Um, I knew

651
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: I would have like you know, if I didn't find

652
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: I was like, at least I can like kind of

653
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: hang out and have some you know, yeah, some good

654
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: times whatever. Um So that was a factor as well.

655
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: And we remember we called me like, you know what

656
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: should we just say screwing and do it? You know,

657
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: like I'm at a point where I'm single now and

658
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: why not? Um So, yeah, I did it cool? And

659
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: who did you want to see there? Well besides your guys? Yeah? No,

660
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I had a very short list. And it's it's so

661
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: frustrating because when they called me, they were like, all right,

662
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: what is it gonna take to get you in paradise?

663
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: And I was They're like who do you want to see?

664
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, she ain't gonna be there

665
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: and they were like who. I was like, you gets

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: on that beach out be there tomorrow. They were like

667
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll see what we can do, but

668
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: obviously that was not gonna Did you slid into titious

669
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: d MS? Have your met her in real life? Oh yeah,

670
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean she was co host with us. Oh yeah, yeah,

671
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: we've talked before. Did you try to test the waters there?

672
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Um no, yeah, I have, I haven't I have it?

673
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: When she was your host she was still in a relationship. Correct, Actually,

674
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: I think she's great. Let's try to set it up. Yeah, okay, okay,

675
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: so she wasn't going to come. Who else was on

676
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: your list? Yeah? So I had a very short list, um,

677
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: in no particular order. Um. I was like Genevieve, Sally, Eliza,

678
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: the three, all three show up. Yeah. Um that was

679
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: my That was my very short list. And you know,

680
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: I again, I had no strategy going into Paradis. Remember

681
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I was on a podcast and they were asking me like, oh,

682
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to seeing you? And I was like,

683
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: I want to keep it close to the vest, like

684
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, because people were like almost claiming. You know,

685
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's like I don't want to put any pressure in

686
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: the situation. I've never met you know, two out of three,

687
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: I've never met Genevieve, realized, So I'm like this purely speculation.

688
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: But I was like again, honest guy, I was like

689
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I met Sally, you know, like I know she's cool.

690
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: So she was there, you made out in in uh right,

691
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: and that was it. Right. So I was like, I've

692
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: met this person, so I can vouch for her and

693
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: like personality, be like yeah, we I think we would

694
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: connect right, and people took that since that was the

695
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: only name that I said, is like, oh my god,

696
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: they're planning to I'm like, no, I have others that

697
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: I just don't want to throw out there because I'm

698
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: such an in person guy. I was like, I want

699
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: to see their personalities, you know, in person, um, not

700
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: just from TV and social media. So I don't want

701
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: to shout their names out um. And so when I

702
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: got down there, obviously you know Genevieve first, and then

703
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: you know Sally was there for like twenty five minutes.

704
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: And do you think that they were trying so hard

705
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: to get her down there? I really it almost seemed

706
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: like against her will at a certain point because they

707
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: thought that it could stir things up with the situations

708
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: you were in. Oh for sure, for sure. I mean

709
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: I remember I came back from my date with Victoria

710
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: and I go to the bar to get a drink

711
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: from Welles and they have somebody come up like, hey, justin,

712
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: did you hear about Sally's suitcase? I'm like, what are

713
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: you guys talking about? And they're like trying to get

714
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: a reaction at me. I'm like, I'm like, what you know?

715
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: And they did the whole suitcase Saga think I'm like, okay,

716
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know what's going on right, um, And

717
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: so they definitely, you know, I think I wanted her

718
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: to come down to kind of um mix things up.

719
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, I want to

720
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: believe that they were trying to help, you know, like

721
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: help me out as well. But I was just like

722
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: at a point where I was like I don't want

723
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: this drunk, like you know, I'm good and I and

724
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: literally like I was ready to go home, and you know,

725
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: they were like we want to keep you, uh, and

726
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, the only way I'm staying When you got eliminated.

727
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: When you got eliminated, um, who how were you eliminated?

728
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Because Genevieve picked Aaron and Victoria picked Johnny right, So

729
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: there was like two days before the rose ceremony, and

730
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm ready to pack it up because

731
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: there's nobody else here. So basically, so jennev Eve went

732
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: with Aaron, Victoria went with Johnny, Sally came down left

733
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: ten minutes later, and so we had two days and

734
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: so they wanted Sally to give you the rose yeah. Um.

735
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: And so then when that didn't come to fruition. They

736
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: were like, shoot, like that was like he really wanted

737
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: They really wanted to yeah, And so I was like, guys,

738
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: there's nobody here that I'm gonna talk to because you know,

739
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not gonna fish around for a rose

740
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: and you know, like I'm good with going home. And

741
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we want you, we want you hear,

742
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, guys, the only way I'm staying

743
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: is I think Aliza's Evedanta of the hotel. I was

744
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: gonna you bring it down, I'll stay. And they're like

745
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: all right, like we'll make it happen. Like she's expressed

746
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: interests as well, like just be patient with us. So

747
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm waiting around. Next day, you know, comes around, Danielle

748
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: comes down from Michael. I'm like, alright, glist is coming down.

749
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: You know she's gonna be here soon, right? Did you?

750
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: Didn't you know that Rodney was so into her too.

751
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: I didn't because he was with This is before Switchet switch.

752
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: So I literally like I was in the pool with

753
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: Rodney and I was like, mant remember the boom the

754
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: boom stick coming over the time. So it was the

755
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: three of us in the pool and I'm like, I'm like, hey, man,

756
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: like I hope they bring lives before me. I'm literally

757
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: talking to Rodney about it. He didn't say anything. He

758
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: was he was like he was like, oh yeah, we met,

759
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Like I think you guys would hit it off. I

760
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: was talking to Serena's like, hey, Serena, do you think

761
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: me the last we get along. She's like, oh yeah,

762
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: for sure. She's like yeah, She's like so put to other,

763
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: like so sweet. Whatever. I'm like, okay, I'm in my

764
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: I t M S like like I was very vocal

765
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: about it, you know, and that's apprecial because you would

766
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: like they made it seem like I just plopped back

767
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: into screw up around these day. You know. I was

768
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: like I talked to him about her, you know, and

769
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: I said that that's the only reason why, that's the

770
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: only way I'll stay. And so I get sent home

771
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: and you know, before I get in the van, they're like, hey,

772
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: stick around Mexico for a little bit. We know who

773
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you want, find yourself a hotel. They're like, they're like,

774
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: stick around. You know, we're gonna bring it back for you.

775
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring you back on for her. She wants

776
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: you as well. Just you know, yeah, all right, believe me,

777
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: I was in a similar situation. I got eliminated. Um,

778
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and then I basically I went up there to the

779
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: top to the vans, and then they're like, you can

780
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: go ask people if you there, if they're okay with

781
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: you staying. So I wouldn't asked the cast really, Hey

782
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: can I stay? I'll be better behaved, No way. Yeah.

783
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes like that's just how it kind of goes

784
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: and so like that's that's kind of how I look

785
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: for you too. You're like, hey, I like to come

786
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: back down. Yeah. Yeah, So that's that's how it went down.

787
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: Then you come you come in and you know, Eliza

788
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: is has the thing with Rodney. He is like in

789
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: love calling her future WIFEI all this, Andrew, how awkward

790
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: did you feel that, like your two best guys were

791
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: there like trying to fight over the saving girl. It

792
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: was so it was so stressful, um, because they're both

793
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: great guys, and you know, when Justin came down, it

794
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: was it's it's only the only difference was if it

795
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: was it would have started at the same time. Then

796
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh well, let's you know, let's see how

797
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: it plays out. But I got to see Rodney and

798
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: Eliza like a week before for a week, and I

799
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: mean like they were like attached to the hip and

800
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I'm seeing just smiles something like he's talking about all

801
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: these things, and Justin comes down and I'm like, oh,

802
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: he's coming from you know what I mean. And then

803
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well let's see how it goes. You mean,

804
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: the best man win. I'm gonna try and stay neutral

805
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: as possible, you know. I'm just like I'm not gonna

806
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: jump into this one. And I think they put a

807
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: sound bite in me saying like, um, but I was

808
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: talking about the lies. I was like, Eliza sees Justin

809
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: and he's like the shiny new toy, like we've been

810
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: here on a week when you when you're we're on

811
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: the beach, d'uring the same thing for a week, like

812
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: you want you want to look for something different or

813
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: like get a little bit of different aspect. I feel

814
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: like that's off the job, not saying he was anything wrong,

815
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: saying that she was seeing as him coming down like

816
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: oh wow, there's another boy here that I'm interested in,

817
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I want to go and

818
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, oh, Wow, I think

819
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: you have a guy right now who's like literally throwing

820
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink at you. You know what I mean.

821
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I looked at it, And you know,

822
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, very supportive both of them,

823
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: and I you know, I think I looked after him

824
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more when it comes to like knowing

825
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: how the off screen was gonna happen, because we were

826
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: talking about it the whole time. We're like, yeah, you know,

827
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: we know Rodney's very loved in this franchise, and like

828
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: and like when you went home, I was like, low

829
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: key best scenario for for just the backlash happening. You know,

830
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: I think would have been very uncomfortable, um for Justin,

831
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: and I would have hated that for him. Um, just

832
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: because everyone on the beach. You know, obviously we saw

833
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: how they reacted to when Rodney left. Imagine that. Imagine

834
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: him leaving and Justin staying like that's like one thing

835
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: now and now I get I lose a friend, and

836
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: then now I get my friend who's getting bashed by

837
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: people in beach, Like I would hate that. How was

838
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: it Justin to see just the whole cast seemed to

839
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: rally around Rodney as being the right pick. Like how

840
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: hurtful was that, especially when you watch it back and

841
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of your friends seemed to be on his team. Yeah,

842
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean it sucked. Um even in coming back on

843
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: the beach, like I felt like the new guy. I

844
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: felt like super ostracized and it was very uncomfortable. I

845
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: mean I remember coming in that night to get a

846
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: lot that I take her on the date. Like you

847
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: could hear a pin drop. It was so uncomfortable, and um, yeah,

848
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: it sucks, Like I felt I felt really guilty for

849
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: being the person to come in and do that. And

850
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: I was really torn between. I was really torn between

851
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: going back to like I said at the top of

852
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: the podcast, like what would appease people, right, And that

853
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: would be like to remove myself and be like like

854
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: you got it, Like I don't want to ruffle one feathers, right,

855
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: But then I'm also like that hasn't been working for me,

856
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: So why don't I try to do what I want

857
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: for once and and pursue who I want? Right? And

858
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I knew, like we talked like I knew I was

859
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna get backlash. I knew it, like everyone loves Rodney, right,

860
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, like let me,

861
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: let me try something different and just go for what

862
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: I want, you know, laser focused um and. And that's

863
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: what was so frustrating because I was willing to do

864
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: all that, no wing the repercussions. Um and. Yeah, you know,

865
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: I didn't pan out, but that sort of panned out

866
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: when Eliza did realize that she made a mistake and

867
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: she felt more for you, and you know, as a

868
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: girl like we like can pick up things a lot

869
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: of its body language on the show, I thought that

870
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: she was more into you, and I thought that she

871
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: was being peer pressured into going into the going into

872
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: the roads store money. I was like, oh, she's gonna

873
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: pick me, Like I was like, I don't know her

874
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: in Ronnie's connection, but I was like, I feel like,

875
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: I feel she's gonna pick up Oh yeah, I think

876
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: yeah that was guilt trip. Yes. So then she you know,

877
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of can't hide this anymore and she goes to Baltimore,

878
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: and I hear that the whole Baltimore visit went a

879
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: lot different than it went that it seemed to go

880
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: on TV. Yeah, it did paint the picture for us.

881
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: So she comes to Baltimore, um and We talked for

882
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: hours out like like I was feeling bad for the producer,

883
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: like they were just in my house like we were.

884
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: It was no lie, like three or four hours we

885
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: were talking and everything that aired, obviously I said, came

886
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: out of my mouth, right, But that was like the

887
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: first half of the conversation. I was like, hey, listen,

888
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: I really appreciate this grand gesture of you flying to Baltimore,

889
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, like that speaks volumes. I know, this was

890
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: just I hadn't unpacked my bags, Like I know, this

891
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: is just a couple of days ago. And I was like,

892
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: I just want and I tried to get her to

893
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: understand where I was coming from. I was like, you know,

894
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel pressured into giving you a

895
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: yes right now, just because there's cameras at my house,

896
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I don't want to feel pressured.

897
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I know how tensive of an environment

898
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: that was in the beach a couple of days ago.

899
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: And I empathized with you for having to make that

900
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: tough choice because we were both really good guys, me

901
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: and Rodney. But at the end of the day, you

902
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: have to respect that, like you you made your choice,

903
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it would have made me feel a

904
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: lot better because, like I just told you, I pursued

905
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: her despite knowing the back lad. I mean, you know,

906
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna be backlash, but I still

907
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: pursued her because it was worth it to me. And

908
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: she said, you know, I She's like, she succumbed to

909
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: the peer pressure of everyone in the house wanted her

910
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: to pick Rodney. And I was like, I get it.

911
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: It would have meant more to me if you were

912
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: able to block that out as well and go with

913
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: what you wanted, because it's something we've both been we

914
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: were talked about, we've both been trying to work and

915
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: doing that. I was like, but I'm I'm not gonna

916
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: hold it against you. I'm just saying, like it's it's

917
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: it's tough for me because you know, the previous relationship

918
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: that I was in before Paradise, you know. But we

919
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: would get into, you know, little arguments, and she would

920
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: always like, we're broken up, we're done, and I've grown.

921
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I still have a lot of growing to do, but

922
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: I like I've grown, and you know, the old you

923
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: would we're like, okay, cool, we're done. But I was like, no,

924
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: let's like let's talk about it, like let's communicate, like

925
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Like this isn't what you want?

926
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 1: And I would always be the one to make it work, right,

927
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: It's happened four times, you know, next time you thrown

928
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: and there's like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try anymore.

929
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: And so I had gotten used to it being so

930
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: easy for somebody just be like I'm done, grass is green,

931
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: or like I'm out and they want to come back, right,

932
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, you chose somebody else, and like

933
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: this is like I gotta I gotta break that cycle

934
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: of letting people step out and then want to come

935
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: back and know that Justin is gonna be there. Like

936
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I can't keep doing that to myself. And I tried

937
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: to get her to understand that, like that's why I

938
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: was being so like hard nosed, like I can't give

939
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: you a yes right now, but there's a lot of

940
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: potential with us, so like let's see if we can

941
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: make it work outside of this show, you know, like

942
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: let's take it day by day, like let's take it slow.

943
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, how do I know that

944
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: if I do? If I don't have a clear, yes,

945
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: I go back to l A like I don't know

946
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: if I can be in this gray area. And the

947
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: producer stepped in was like Eliza, like, I think you've

948
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: had some time to, you know, think about what you wanted.

949
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: And we kind of just popped up on his doorstep,

950
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: but I think it's fair for him to take a

951
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: little bit time and like I want to take it

952
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: slow like whatever. And I literally I was like, hey, guys,

953
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: I know this isn't what you want for TV, Like

954
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys want like oh my god. I

955
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: was like I don't care like this, Like I think

956
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: it was actually a pretty juicy for TV that U yeah, probably,

957
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, but you know anyway, So so

958
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: we finally got some por where she's like okay, like cool,

959
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: and so we wrapped up. You know, they had her

960
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: literally like get up and film her walking down the street,

961
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, like all right, hug guys, let her out,

962
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: like and we're we're cutting up having a good time. Um,

963
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, well if you kids, like we're

964
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: rooting for you kids, like you know, if you if

965
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: you want justin like we can let her stay tonight.

966
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: And you know, no, camera mis you guys can kind

967
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: of just you know, hang out whatever. And I'm like, really,

968
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: this feels illegal, but all right, I'm down. So you know,

969
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: we hung out for a couple of hours at night, UM,

970
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: and it was really really good, Like it felt supernatural.

971
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, this is this is a

972
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: this is good for me because I need to see

973
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: what it's like off like you know what I mean, Like,

974
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: what is this going to be like when there's no cameras,

975
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: mix whatever. It was really easy, really comfortable, and it

976
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: felt just like it did in Paradise. Um. And so

977
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: I left, you know, when I dropped her off, I

978
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: left with the impression that, you know, we were gonna

979
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: make this thing work. Um, shoot back to l A.

980
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: I was in Baltimore, and you know that I don't

981
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: know if you want to hear like the rest of it,

982
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: but we are shot on time, but we got to

983
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: hear the rest of it. I mean, like, I'm glad

984
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: you're here because he's like, he's seen it all. He's

985
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: rubbing his hands together, he's seen it all. Um rolls.

986
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: You know then that in the next couple of days

987
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: and weeks, you know, text, I pick up the phone

988
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: and call her all the time, like I'm calling these

989
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: guys like I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. And Greg

990
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: had called me and said that he had some events

991
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: in l A that he wanted to go to for

992
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: like some some baseball guns and I was like, I

993
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: don't really want to go, but I was like, I

994
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: have been talking about lies about going to see her, um,

995
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I'm going to talk to

996
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: her first, and I was like, just a heads up,

997
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be with you a lot if if

998
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, somebody be with her, but I'll go out

999
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: with you. So I called her UM planning to go

1000
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: out there. Long story short. You know, every day I

1001
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: was out there, I was trying to meet up, trying

1002
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: to hang out, and I never saw her. No, you

1003
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: never saw her never. Why what was the excuse? UM?

1004
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. The first couple of days, uh, I

1005
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: mean I was like, hey, I'm here, you know, UM,

1006
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: I got we went out to dinner. UM. The second day,

1007
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: me and Greg, and this has never happened to me me before,

1008
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: but I got like a really bad, like vertigo spell,

1009
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: like I was really really sick. Um. My equilibrium was

1010
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: off like I was throwing up like like I was

1011
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: not like I had, like you know, it's the craziest

1012
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened to me. Yeah. I literally they

1013
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: were very in panic. They're like she's not feeling well.

1014
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: He's He's like he's like, can't breathe and whatever I do.

1015
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: I I was like, no, I was, I was. It

1016
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: was bad like I I literally, I was like crying

1017
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: and sweating attack. I don't know what it's never happened.

1018
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I was like, run the shower, put it in high,

1019
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: let the steam get in the long Greg. Greg had

1020
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: to literally, you guys are like seriously, brothers really sweet.

1021
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Like I'm not even in the town.

1022
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm in Chicago. Greg's like carrying me out of Greg.

1023
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: This is what you do. Seriously, Greg's like carding me

1024
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: out of here. So anyway, so I'm texting her. I'm like,

1025
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm like telling her what's going on with me. I

1026
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: don't hear from her until six pm the next day,

1027
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: not a hey, like how do you feel? Like are

1028
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: you okay? Like what it was? She was like hello,

1029
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 1: l o, l oh no, not that. So I'm talking

1030
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: to these guys. I'm like, hey, there's another guy. Yeah,

1031
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: there's got to be. I'm like, I'm my guys. I'm like, guys,

1032
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: am I crazy? And so I literally said our times.

1033
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, swallow the pride, just be the bigger.

1034
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I was like, I don't want to

1035
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: be dramatic, but I'm just gonna let you know how

1036
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I came out here to see you.

1037
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like you've been a kind of

1038
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: lack of day school about seeing me, Like I'm in

1039
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: your backyard, Like if you're not feeling it anymore, just like,

1040
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: let me know, but I really love to see you,

1041
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: like what's going on? And she sent me a voice

1042
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: note it was like, oh no, I think it's just

1043
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: like a miscommunication like blah blah blah blah. I'm like

1044
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm like no, I'm like we literally I'm like I'm like, yeah,

1045
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: why I kept it? So I literally was like I

1046
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: was like, Aliz I called you two as. I was like,

1047
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you. We made plans of

1048
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: what we were gonna do, Like what do you mean

1049
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: like this? I was like, but I'm like, do you

1050
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: want to hang out or not? And she was like, yeah,

1051
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: how about tomorrow. I'm like, well, what's my last day year?

1052
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: But okay, so tomorrow comes around. Long story short, um,

1053
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: when the time camera I was gonna meet up with her,

1054
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: She's like, I think I'm gonna go to bed. No,

1055
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just be honest? You gave her the

1056
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: the out, you know, you opened the door to her

1057
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: being like I'm sorry, I don't know if I feel it,

1058
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: and like he's seen all of this. He he was

1059
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: crushed you like called me when he's at the airport

1060
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: for like we talked for like three hours. And that's

1061
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,959
Speaker 1: and that's what's so frustrating about how everything has been

1062
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: portrayed and everyone's like, oh, he was just stringer along.

1063
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: She was rotting the alarm, but like he never wanted her.

1064
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I really did. And like these guys know,

1065
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and like I've told you, like when I'm in it,

1066
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm in it, and it's not too often, but I

1067
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: was in it and I was really trying and it

1068
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: was just like damn, it was a gut punch. I

1069
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well I know that. Our producers are like, okay,

1070
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: actually you have to but listen, I need I need

1071
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: to ask these two questions or they will linger for

1072
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: me and for the audience. How was it to see

1073
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: her at the reunion show. I mean, it was the

1074
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: first time I had seen her since she was in Baltimore.

1075
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: We literally didn't speak after she was like, I'm going

1076
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: to bed, never exchanged another text, never spoke nothing. Um.

1077
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: I was like, that's I'm good. UM, So seen her there.

1078
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean it it validated every like fear that I

1079
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: had that she would flip flop right to hear her

1080
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: like she came to Baltimore because you know, she told

1081
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: she said that, you know, it should have been me

1082
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: all along and she made the wrong choice, right. But

1083
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: then at the reunion she was like, it was Rodney

1084
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: all along. I'm like, well, this is why I was

1085
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: a little fearful of just giving you a yes on

1086
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: the spot, because you know, I was afraid this would happen. Um,

1087
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: And like Ronney is a great guy. So I'm like

1088
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: it maybe it maybe it wasn't all. I don't know.

1089
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: I felt like it was me, you know, in that moment,

1090
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: but it was just it was it was hard. It

1091
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: was confusing, you know, because I was being told one

1092
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: thing in Baltimore and then hearing another thing, you know,

1093
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: on stage, and it was just like, this is why

1094
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: I was fearful. Did you talk after like an after party?

1095
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: Just ignored each other? Okay? And finally, how did you

1096
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: keep your relationship your friendship with Rodney this entire time?

1097
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: So we were we were good the whole time. Even

1098
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: on the beach, he and I were like, hey, we

1099
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: know the situation. We know, we know what's going on.

1100
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna be mature men about this, Like I

1101
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: respect you, you respect me. I mean we were literally

1102
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: like crying, laughing, you know. Every day. You know, there's

1103
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: never been any animalsity between me and like we've been

1104
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: like through all of this, we've been good. It's very

1105
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: cordial and it's very professional. Honestly, very proud of both

1106
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: of them how they handled like even like the tough

1107
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: conversations that they did have, Like even like Rodney was like,

1108
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna fight tooth nail

1109
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: for this girl. I was like, damn, that's how do

1110
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: you feel about that, Justin? And Justin is like, yeah,

1111
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: I respect that, dude. I'm gonna do the same thing.

1112
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, the best man would like, you know, for her, like,

1113
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: as long as she's happened, we're both happening, and we

1114
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: both we and we really both were like hey, like

1115
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: whatever we can, we're both gonna like fight for this

1116
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: and we know that, UM, we have mutual respect for

1117
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: each other. But it's like, hey, like at the end

1118
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: of the day, we want to make this as stress

1119
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: free for Eliza as possible, you know, because we knew

1120
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: it was tough for her. UM. And I, like I said,

1121
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: I felt guilt for putting, you know, added pressure on

1122
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: her and stress and Rodney, you know, it's just like

1123
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it's tough because like you're torn between I wanted to

1124
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: be a good friend but going for what you want

1125
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: as well. And it's just like it sucks, like you know, um,

1126
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: everybody can't be happy. And I don't know it all.

1127
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: It all unfolded the way it was supposed to. UM,

1128
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: But it was just like it was such a difficult

1129
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: situation to try to navigate. What a fantastic, um display

1130
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: of gentlemen. Yeah, No, I mean he's a fan. I

1131
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: can't say enough good things about Rodney. He's he's incredible. UM.

1132
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Had it been anybody else in that beach, aside from

1133
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: like these guys that have been like whatever you know,

1134
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: yeah right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, let me

1135
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: show you something. But I was like, damn, um, so

1136
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: it sucked that it was him. It really did fantastic

1137
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: in depth podcast asked, Wow, this was amazing. Thank you

1138
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: for being my host. Yeah. I have a man of

1139
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: very few words, but you know, um, you did a

1140
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: really good job. And thanks. I appreciate that you helped

1141
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: the story a lot for sure. Yeah. I knew a

1142
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: lot of insights. So I was like, we should do

1143
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: this again sometime, guys. Ye maybe maybe maybe over an

1144
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: espresso martini or maybe over Andrew's In Depth which will

1145
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: come soon. Yeah, all right, we love you guys so much.

1146
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: That was an amazing and depth Thank you, Justin for

1147
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: bearing your soul until next time. I've been Ashley, I've

1148
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: been Justin, I've been Andrew. Yeah. That one followed the

1149
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio

1150
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.