1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: I was at a conference recently and I heard my 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: next guest speak and I thought to myself, let's get 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: him on the show. He was discussing Corporate America's embrace 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: of diversity, equity and inclusion. But he was saying things 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard before, and it was just different angles 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: that I'm used to hearing. And that's what I try 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: to do on this podcast, is just to get different angles, 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: to get different guests, to keep things interesting, but also 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: just so that we can all continue learning together. But 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: what he was talking about is Obama's role former Price 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: in Obama's role in pushing these companies to the left, 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: how his people infiltrated Corporate America and turned them woke. 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: So we'll discuss that. 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: We'll discuss what happened, and we'll also discuss the latest 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: course correction now that President Trump and his administration all 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: these DEI executive orders and you know, pushing America's companies 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: back to the right. So we'll discuss that course correction. 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: How long will it last? What do we need to know? 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for oh Skinner. He's the executive director 20 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: of Alliance for Consumers. He also previously worked for the 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Arizona attorney General. He was the state's lead council in 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court. So stay tuned for O 23 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: which Skinner well, O aged, it's great to have you 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: on the show. I recently met you, and you know, 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: we're having discussions about some of this DEI stuff, and 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: so I was like, I got to get them on 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: my podcast. So I appreciate you making the time, and 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I look forward to this conversation. 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: This is gonna be fun. 30 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: It will be fun. 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's start with because you you said something 32 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: which I hadn't really given much thought about prior to 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: you saying it. 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: But explain walk us through the role that. 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: The Obama administration and Obama world played in pushing these 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: companies to woke and pushing these companies towards DEI. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think what's really important to understand 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: about corporate America at a basic level is that they 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: just respond to incentives and pressures, especially pressures, and you know, 40 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: you have to go back in time to what feels 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: like forever ago. But you know, Obama wins, he's the president. 42 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: He starts putting all this pressure on corporate America to 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: do diversity, to do all these things that we now 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: know as is DEI. And then he gets re elected 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: and so especially in his second term, you have all 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: of this exodus of Obama era officials and lawyers and 47 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: agency heads, and they're all going into corporate America. Right. 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Like one of the things that's easy to forget is 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: that the Obama people all got jobs at places like 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: Google or you know, Tony West is like a great example. 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: He ended up going to Uber and being the head 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: of government affairs, and it's like you can literally follow 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: the trajectory of like DEEI in America. One of my 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: friends says, by following this guy Tony West. And so 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: they all leave to go to corporate America. And they're 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: busy telling corporate America that the way to be safe 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: from the Obama administration is to just get ahead of them. 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: Do a little bit more diversity, do a little bit 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: more esg, do a little bit more, a little bit more, 60 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: you stay one step ahead of the government, and then 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: the government doesn't smack you, doesn't find you, doesn't sue you, 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: and then we all forget that. Like all of those 63 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: smart people thought that Hillary Clinton was going to be president, 64 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: and so as the second term of Obama is ending. 65 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: They're not pulling back into neutral, They're not getting worried 66 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: about maybe having a direction shift in Washington. They're like 67 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: doubling and tripling down. They're hiring as many officials as 68 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: they possibly can from the Obama team and people they 69 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: think are going to be favorable from the Clinton world. 70 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: They're just like really digging in and then Trump wins. Right. 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: So the easy thing to understands you look at the 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: world now is that all of the seeds for what 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: we see in corporate America were driven by this belief 74 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: from corporate America that the way to make the pressure 75 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: stop from Washington was to hire the Obama people, who then, 76 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: of course, as you know, they just import all of 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: what they were going to do in the government. But 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: now they have control over the companies, right, so they're 79 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: just pushing the companies to do everything that they would 80 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: have done had they still been in government. Right. So 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: that's I think really to understand where it came from, 82 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: you have to understand this like arc of what they 83 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: thought was going to be twelve years of you know, 84 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: strong push from Washington with democratic presidents to do all 85 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: of what we now know of Asda. 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: Well, and what's interesting is, you know, we know that 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: Obama made race a you know, obviously being the first 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: black president, but really just a lot of race initiatives 89 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: and really pushing sort of that racial division in the country. 90 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the irony is when he left, I think 91 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: it was even CNN said that, you know, fifty four 92 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: percent of Americans believed that race relations had gotten worse 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: under his time, so obviously didn't you know, I guess 94 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: he did to do an effective job driving people apart. 95 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: Was that just for political reasons or what do you 96 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: think the strategy for Obama was with all of that? 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: You know, that's hard. I always people ask me sometimes 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: whether the government officials are doing something for political reasons 99 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: or for you know, for their own ultras degreesment. I 100 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: think it's always a mix of things. You know, It's 101 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: hard when you are pushing this narrative for such a 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: long time on the left about where so many of 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: their policies are are hinged on like social justice, racial justice, 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: all these things, right, like, they hang so many of 105 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: their policies on those things, which you know, it's the 106 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: easy answer is to say, once you start selling something 107 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: for certain reasons, you can't just sell half the package. 108 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: If you're telling people that environmental justice is so important 109 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: because minority communities are hardest hit. If you're telling people 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: that you need to have different tax policies, different spending policies, 111 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: all in the name of racial or environmental or all 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: these other things, right, it's also really hard to then 113 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: try and be like, but we shouldn't be promoting people 114 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: in corporate America, and we should like, once you've sold 115 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: part of the package, the rest of the ideas follow 116 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: if that makes sense, even if they weren't like the 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: reason that you were selling the idea, they all follow through, right, 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: It all like it continues. People don't. People don't suspend 119 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: their disbelief and think that we should be very race 120 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: conscious in some settings but then not in other settings. 121 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: And so when the left start selling racial you know, 122 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: justice as a reason to do countless things, it follows through. 123 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: And I think, if you're being honest, a lot of 124 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: the like uh, George Floyd's stuff ended up being like 125 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: the logical conclusion of something that you can see. Right. 126 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: Obama would talk all the time about this. You've seen 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: this when he's given speeches and like lectured the left 128 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: about like identity politics and being crazy leftists, right. I 129 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: think a lot of that is he knew that he 130 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: was pushing this DEI stuff. And then the logical end 131 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: point is these marches in the street being like defund 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 2: the police, that they're racist, and it's like the people 133 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: who set off like they like release the virus are 134 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: sitting there thinking, whoa we liked like racial justice to 135 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: like explain our tax policy or our giveaway policy or 136 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: a spending policy, like we didn't mean like get rid 137 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: of the police. And people are like, well, you told 138 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: us that like racial disparities mean racism, and so like 139 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: the police are doing things that are racially disparate, so 140 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: therefore they're racist, so we should get rid of them. 141 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: You could just see the people be like, oh my god, 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: it escaped containment. We didn't mean that. I think that's 143 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: probably the right way to think about it. 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: And also in thinking about it, I mean it's kind 145 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: of a straight smart strategy because if you're sort of 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: pressuring these companies to build out their DEI department, I 147 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: mean most of the people who are going to be 148 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: in those roles, I mean that's the left, the left wing, 149 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, way of thinking, so they're going to. 150 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: Be filled with progressives and leftists. So it's it's it's 151 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: actually a. 152 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Smart way to get a foothold with some of these companies, right. 153 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's like it's 154 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: like what you see with some of the gender stuff now, 155 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: where people will say, well, we need to have like 156 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: a gender equity. I mean, we need to have a 157 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: transgender department at this university. Well, all you're doing is 158 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: when you start a whole new apartment and staff it 159 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: with all your people, you give yourself like more boots 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: on the ground, right, And so you're exactly right. The 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: DEI department starts small, and then they grow, and then 162 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: they grow, and then they grow, and then one of 163 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: those people becomes the CEO of the company and now 164 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like you've gotten control of a place. 165 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: How significant was the death of George Floyd, because I 166 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: mean that really set a lot of things off in 167 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the country after his death, from soft on crime policies 168 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: to you know, the rest of it. So how significant 169 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: do you think that was in pushing these companies to 170 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: the left and also, you know, forcing these companies to 171 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: embrace DEI. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I actually don't know that it 173 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: had a lot, if anything. I think it probably it 174 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: was like didn't help them on the DEI front. Like 175 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: you got to understand that my core belief about companies 176 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: and why you see like products being taken off store shelves, 177 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: The thing I care about the most is that they're 178 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: constantly just negotiating with the pressures that they're under. And 179 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: so I think, you know, the this goes back to 180 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: something we were talking about earlier. I do think that 181 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: that I'll get back to the George Floyd point I promised. 182 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: But what you saw during the Obama years was also 183 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: this like negotiation of corporate America between like the burnie 184 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: crowd that wants to confiscate all of Corporate America and 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: like turn it into like, you know, a government run 186 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: institution and the social justice crowd that just wants to 187 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: take thirty percent of the budget of corporate America and 188 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: turn it into crazy social promotion and stuff, right. And 189 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: you could see that with the George Floyd protests, where 190 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: like there's radicals in the streets that are basically like 191 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: hair down city government, defund the police, and any company 192 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: that is like not towing the line we're gonna like 193 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: blast them if you're not taking down your ads, if 194 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: you're not posting black squares on the internet. Right. And 195 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: I think in a way that crowd like scale corporate 196 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: America because they thought they'd cut a deal where if I, like, 197 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: if I give a huge DEI department, then like the 198 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: burning crowd won't come for me. Does that make sense? 199 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: Yes? 200 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: And I think that the here's this gets back to 201 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: our modern day. If corporate America is just responding to pressure, 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: then back then they were importing all the Obama people 203 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: because they were looking for the pressure to only come 204 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: from the left under Obama and Clinton. And they're negotiating 205 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: only between the Obama Tony West. I'm going to work 206 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: at a company, but talk about diversity and the burning 207 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: crowd that's like, I'm gonna talk about diversity and take 208 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: your company from you, right, Like, that's who they were 209 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: negotiating between. And the right was silent. Right. And so 210 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: are we surprised that corporate America just starts to like 211 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: only make products for the left and only higher leftists. Right. 212 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: What you've seen in the most recent set of years 213 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: is started with state ags, some private groups and now 214 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: the Trump administration. Why is corporate America snapping back to 215 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: the middle. Is now there's like an aggressive pressure from 216 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: the right to drop your DEI programs, stop doing weird 217 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: esg stuff, stop banning products, stop trying to ban gas stoves, 218 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: stop trying to be weirdos, just like be the middle 219 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: of America, right and bam, all of a sudden, Corporate 220 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: America sure is talking like they're now in the middle. 221 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: Why because now there's pressure on the right and there's 222 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: pressure on the left, and so where does corporate America 223 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: start to go somewhere in the middle right? Like it's 224 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: just suddenly, it's like conservatives have finally learned that the 225 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: only thing corporate America can listen to, if we're being honest, 226 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 2: is pressure. Whether it's a boycott or whether it's a lawsuit. 227 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: They only respond to pressure. And now that there's consistent 228 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: pressure from the right on these issues, you're seeing corporate 229 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: America start to at least try to hue back to 230 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: the middle. And that's a tremendous thing. 231 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we saw some of these sort of 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: you know, I guess you would call them, I guess 233 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: they're boycotts, but you know pressure campaigns, you know, getting 234 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: a lot of bad press, and you know a lot 235 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: of social media activity with things like bud Light and 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Target and Disney. Why do you think those specific pressure 237 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: campaigns worked? And then kind of what message do you 238 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: think that's sent to the rest of corporate America. 239 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 2: I think they worked because it was the first time 240 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: that corporate America was viewing a lot of the DEI 241 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: in particular stuff as not free. But you got to 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: understand that like the sales paid. Like I can't explain 243 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: enough to you that. Like Eric Holder, you know, he 244 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: was the head of he was Attorney General under Obama. 245 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: He has this business where he goes to companies in 246 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: the last few years and he charges them like fifteen 247 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: hundred dollars an hour. It's probably more like two thousand 248 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: dollars an hour now because of you know, how the 249 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: world works, telling him about how there's all these benefits 250 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: to building out diversity and all these programs, and it 251 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 2: was working. Biden, He's making all this money. He goes 252 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: to a company tells him to be more woke than 253 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: he cashes a huge check. Well, nowadays we call it 254 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: getting holdered because then they get sued by a state 255 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: or now they're going to get sued by by the 256 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: Department of Justice, and then he's going to come back 257 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: in and be like, hey, I can defend you. I 258 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: can make more money. Right, there's this whole industry of 259 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: people telling them do the woke thing. It's an unalloyed good. 260 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: You'll get all this positive praise from the Washington Post 261 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: and the New York Times. You'll be lauded, you'll get 262 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: to be go to the high five people at your 263 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: country club, and it won't cost you anything. So just 264 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: keep doing it right and then bam, bud light happens. 265 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: You get Target, you get some of these other things. 266 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: And so the first time these official these people in 267 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: these companies who aren't radicals are like, wait, I did 268 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: that thing. You said it was going to be all upside, 269 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: no downside, but now I'm like getting this massive hit 270 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: to my bottom line. I should have never done it 271 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: in the first place. Didn't get me anything. This is dumb. 272 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: And so I think they worked because they showed actual, 273 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: like belief from most people that they just want people 274 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: to make products for them and not just like lecture 275 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: at them. So I mean, I mean the various ones 276 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: that worked were where the core demographic of the company 277 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: just didn't match the slot that was being thrown at 278 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: them by the heads of the offices right like you know, 279 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: and so you saw people get really really mad because 280 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: something totally out of whack was happening. 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The line I keep being told by lots 310 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: of different people, especially when I complained to them about 311 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: like why they're removing products from store shelves, is that 312 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: about seventy percent of companies just want to go along 313 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: and get along, and so they'll they'll they'll do what 314 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: the left wants when they are left in charge to 315 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: a certain degree, and they'll do it the right ones, 316 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: but they're not like committed right. And then I've heard 317 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: that like thirty percent of companies are like either wholly 318 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: taken over by the DEI clan or the CEO believes 319 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: it right, Like, I don't know if you guys saw this. 320 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: Like Robbie Starbuck has done just a huge amount. Yeah, 321 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: and when he talks about how like Harley Davidson was 322 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: one that he that was really important to him because 323 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: the customer base was conservative, and the CEO is like this, 324 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: like euro you know, like you' a weirdo who was 325 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: like trying to convince everybody that like climate change was 326 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: going to end the world and that the only way 327 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 2: Harley Davidson could survive is by stopping selling the product 328 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: that everybody bought, and instead they would just make like 329 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 2: electric bikes. That's that's an example of like the CEO 330 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: is a believer, he's in the thirty percent. Right. There's 331 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: other companies that have flipped under pressure from states to 332 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Robbie Starbuck, where like they kind of like you could 333 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: just tell that they were just happy that somebody finally 334 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: gave them an excuse to tell their DEI department to 335 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: shove off, right, that somebody gave them the right to 336 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: go down to their HR department and say like they reed, yeah, yeah, yeah, 337 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: So the comment that so one of the state ags 338 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: who was pushing back in this. He'll often refer to 339 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: it as like, I'm not anti business. I think that 340 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: the pressure I bring is, you know, let the pressure 341 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: set them free. Right, Like when I bring pressure on 342 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: a company, it allows them to just make the choices 343 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: that they know are write for their customers, freed from 344 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: the belief that they might be called out for being 345 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: a bigot or a racist or all of the things 346 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: that you and I have seen people get called. He's like, 347 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: I just want them to be free to just make 348 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: business choices, right, and surprise, like, business choices means that 349 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: they're just like going to keep guestos, that they're going 350 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: to still sell gas grills, that they're going to like 351 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: stop doing weird stuff and start just like meeting their customers, right, 352 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: And so he always refers to as like the pressure 353 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna the pressure will set them free. Right. 354 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: It's not me being negative on corporate America. It's me 355 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: wanting corporate America to be better. So take us. 356 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Through, as the executive director of Alliance for Consumers, take 357 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: us through. 358 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 3: I guess some of the. 359 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: Craziest examples you've seen of companies just pushing like ridiculous, 360 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: woke things that even you've been like whoa, Okay, that's 361 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: you know that's out there. 362 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's funny. Is a lot of the 363 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: A lot of it just I mean you've seen I 364 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: would say the craziest ones are the things that you've seen, 365 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, bud Light deciding that notwithstanding in 366 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: their core demographic, they're going to become like the LGBTQ 367 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: hotbed of America, right, or it's places like you know 368 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: or like what Target did where you're just like, you know, 369 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: they should know the demographic their shops at their stores 370 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: and that they're not interested in seeing you know, trans 371 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: kids swimsuits. But what I think is actually like more 372 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: interesting is the craziness of the government because the government 373 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: stuff is like what you're now seeing is governments trying 374 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: to push companies pass where the companies even want to go. 375 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: And so you've seen this, like I don't know if 376 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: you've seen this in California now, like you can't buy 377 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: gas lawnmowers anymore. Have you seen this? 378 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: I don't think I actually have. 379 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: Oh see, this is beautiful, like when you live in 380 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: like real America, there is Florida. We're free there, you know, yeah, 381 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: exactly right, right, So you know I live in Arizona 382 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: and that's close to California. So like we catch the 383 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: you know, we catch the blowback that comes out of there. 384 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: You know, they're busy doing things like banning gas powered 385 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: lawnmowers and leaf flowers in the name of climate change, right, 386 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: And so now you see these videos on the Internet 387 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: of people walking through like a home depot and the 388 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: cheapest thing they can buy as like a like a 389 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: normal like riding lawnmar that used to cost like let's 390 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: just say a thousand dollars is now like a four 391 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: thousand dollars thing that depending upon where you live, you 392 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: might have to charge it in the middle of mowing 393 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: your lawn, right, all in the name of like ESG 394 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: and you're just sitting there being like you're literally making 395 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: everybody's lives worse. It costs more and does a worse job. Right. 396 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: It's like the theme that you see all the time, 397 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: whether it's messing with your dishwasher, messing with your refrigerator. 398 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: What's the outcome? The government officials are making it cost 399 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: more and do a worst job, cost more and do 400 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: a worse job. And what I think is the part 401 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: that is like it won't mean as much to your listeners, 402 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: but it means a lot to me. Is twenty years 403 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: ago when the government officials would do this junk companies 404 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: and people would fight it. Where I see the DEI 405 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: and the ESG stuff really doing this like dirty dangerous 406 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: thing is it's making companies roll over and agree to 407 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: remove products and agree to do stuff in the name 408 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: of the climate or anti racism or any of these 409 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: other silly things. And so that leaves like a group 410 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 2: like mine to actually yell about how this makes people's 411 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: lives worse. You used to be able to rely on 412 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: somebody at a company to say, well, I still want 413 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: to be able to sell something to a person, but 414 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: now they've been so scared by the Left that they 415 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: just agree. I mean. Another one that I'll say is 416 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: just bonkers and will make everybody's life terrible is California 417 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: has now passed this rule that says, if you want 418 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: to operate trucks in California, you have to make your 419 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: entire fleet zero mission trucks. What is a zero mission 420 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: like freight truck. It means that you're supposed to have, 421 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: like a truck, like an eighteen wheeler that hauls stuff 422 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: all across America, be battery powered, right, I don't know 423 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: if you. I mean, I grew up in the middle 424 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: of America. These trucks are limited by how much they weigh, 425 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: and the battery is weigh a ton, which now means 426 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: that the truck's in can like half as much and 427 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: have to charge it all the time. But California is 428 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: busy trying to make it so that you can only 429 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 2: have those trucks if you drive anywhere in California. Your 430 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: truck's in Nebraska and Iowa also have to be zero 431 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: mission long haul trucks, and the trucking companies agreed to it. 432 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: They like wrote this special agreement. You're lacking that they 433 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: wrote this special agreement with the Biden administration saying, even 434 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 2: if your rule is struck down in court, we agree 435 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 2: to implement it anyway in the name of like climate justice. Right. 436 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: And so what you've got is like everyone like the 437 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: stuff at your store comes on these trucks, Like now 438 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: it's going to get more expensive, it's going to take 439 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: longer to get there. It's more expensive and does a 440 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: less good job, and the companies were like, sounds good. Right. 441 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: So that's the stuff that just like blows my mind 442 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: is when these officials look like they're just trying to 443 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: make your life worse. You know, I don't know. Did 444 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: you see did you see all the articles they're like 445 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 2: right at the tail end of the Biden administration about 446 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: how good life could be with that air conditioning? Did 447 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: you see this? 448 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: Yes, which I fundamentally just I of course, yeah. I'm 449 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: you know, I'm the type of. 450 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: Person who like lives in Florida and my permit's freezing 451 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: so I can sleep with a comforter, Like yeah, great, great, right, 452 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: I'm like a bad I'm one of the worst offenders. 453 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: We love in America finds. I know. But when you're 454 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: in the media, you know this When when you see 455 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: the first article that says how great it is to 456 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: live with that air conditioning, you're like, that's weird. When 457 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: you see the second one, you're like, wait a second. 458 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: When you see the third, fourth, fifth, and they talk 459 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 2: about how like the fight for climate change includes getting 460 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: rid of things like air conditioners, all of a sudden, 461 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: you have this moment where you're like, oh my god, 462 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: the reason you officials are raising the price of air 463 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: conditioners or banning. They banned the HFCs that go into 464 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: a lot of these air conditioners, and I don't know, 465 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: you probably haven't experienced this. Nowadays, a lot of air 466 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: conditioning companies won't repair your air conditioner. That just make 467 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: you buy a whole new system because they can't get 468 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: the replacement chemicals. And so when something leaks, you now 469 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: have to buy like a new thirty thousand dollars air 470 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: conditioning system, depending upon where you live. And all of 471 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: a sudden, you have this moment you're like, oh my god, 472 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: that's not like a negative side effect from these officials perspective. 473 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 2: You kind of want air conditioning to be unreachable? Why 474 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: do they want us. 475 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: To live like that? 476 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: Though? 477 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: Because you know, I remember, like even I can't remember 478 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: the exact headlines, but they were also basically like you know, 479 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: breadlines are great. 480 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 481 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: It's like yeah, yeah, no exactly, but like why do. 482 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 3: They want us to What's what's behind that? Like, why 483 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: do they want us to live like this is? 484 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: Okay? Well, now we's explain the y y, the why 485 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm home. So you may you may have heard this 486 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: phrase net zero. I mean, I'm sure you've heard that, 487 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: right people zero? Okay, net zero means net zero by 488 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: twenty thirty or twenty fifty, depending on who you're talking to. Okay, 489 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: it actually means that you have to hit at zero 490 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 2: as defined by the UN like EIA, like Energy Group, right, 491 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: they have charts in order to hit net zero that 492 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: means net zero new carbon emissions. They literally will say, Okay, well, 493 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: in order to hit at zero, that means you're allowed 494 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 2: to have x percent of your emissions come from this, 495 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: and this and this. It literally means that you have 496 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: to get rid of all of the natural gas powered 497 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: fired power plants in America. All the gas stations have 498 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: to go away, Your ships in your harbors, and the cranes, 499 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: they all have to become electric. The semitrucks electric in 500 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 2: order to hit and at zero, like, they have math 501 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: that they have to solve for. And so when you 502 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,239 Speaker 2: buy this idea that the world will end unless we 503 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: go net zero by twenty thirty, once you accept that, 504 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: you have to get people to give up air conditioning, 505 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: you have to get people to give up the gas 506 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: powered cars. You have to get people to make all 507 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: of these changes and probably get rid of things like dishwashers, right, 508 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: get rid of things like a like a refrigerator that 509 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: is too big, right from the last perspective, because otherwise 510 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: your math doesn't math. As one of my friends says, like, 511 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: you just can't get there. 512 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: And so when they know we're never going to get 513 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 3: there though, see, this. 514 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: Is where this is where you and I can have 515 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: that discussion of maybe some chunk of them are just 516 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: burnie people who think that like government needs to control 517 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: all of this stuff. And so if you can, like 518 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: you know, there's that crowd and this is in my mind, right, Okay, 519 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: so you and I kind of share that mind, but 520 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: there's like a whole nother crowd that like they've been 521 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: told they grow up in California, they've been told in 522 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: school that the climate change. Like I had somebody at 523 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: my house the other day who said that they were 524 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: terrified of climate change. Number one issue climate change? Right? 525 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: Did you get them out? 526 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: And look, my immediate reaction was, what are using number? 527 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: What are you doing about climate change? And the number 528 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: one thing they're doing about climate change is composting, So 529 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: like we clearly have an issue where like the thing 530 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: they're doing doesn't have anything to do with the thing 531 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: that like, the life's got some problems, okay, But at 532 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: the end of the day, there is a cohort of 533 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: people who like they've been told that the world's ending, 534 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: that they have to do X to make the world 535 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 2: not end, and so they're going to buy damn it, 536 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: do X, right. But I do think that a lot 537 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: of this does stem from like government control. And you know, 538 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: if you tell people that they can't use too much. 539 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we made a video called twenty thirty 540 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: and it's all about what it will be like in 541 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: California and net zero world. And you see that the 542 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: government like meters how much electricity you can use, you 543 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: have to use only so much hot water because you 544 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: basically are allowed an allotment of like carbon emissions on 545 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 2: a given day. And so if your kid takes a 546 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: hot shower, you can't take a hot shower. Your lights 547 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: turn off at the end of your day, your electric 548 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: car you can't have a fan at the office, so 549 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: the company can hit their net zero targets, right, like 550 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: it just it is to your mind and my mind, 551 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: nothing gives the government more ability to control every aspect 552 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: of your life than telling you exactly how much electricity 553 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: and power you're allowed to use. You ask somebody who 554 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: comes from Venezuela and you tell them what the ESG 555 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: people are pushing, and their immediate reaction is that's how 556 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: they control your life, because that's what they did in Venezuela. Right. 557 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: There's another component of people that I think is just like, well, 558 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: this is how I'm gonna sell a climb change and 559 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: you and I are like, you're not going to actually 560 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: do that, and they're like, no, no, but we need 561 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: to try. So I don't know, it's a mix. 562 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you because remember even AOC's former chief 563 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: of staff, I can't remember his name, but he basically 564 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: said that the Green New Deal was a how do 565 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: you control the entire economy type of thing, right, I mean. 566 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So, like you know, it's like we're talking just 567 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 2: the two of us, nobody else is listening, you know. 568 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: I think that explains a lot of this, right, Like, 569 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: but I do think you have these people who aren't 570 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: thinking about the logical endpoint, and I just want to 571 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: give some credit that there are chunks of them out there. 572 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: I mean I have heard. Okay, so you asked about 573 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: the craziest thing in corporate America. I finally remember my 574 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: craziest thing in corporate America. I have heard from friends 575 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: that they were sitting in meetings at giant, mega death 576 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: corps that sell lots of stuff. Okay. So like, imagine 577 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: a big box store that like you or I have 578 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: been inside, okay, and somebody was legitimately advocating that to 579 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: meet their net zero target should stop selling beef products 580 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: in the grocery at their store. And somebody else is like, 581 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: people like buying hamburger at our store, We're just going 582 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: to remove it because then it's good for the climate, 583 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: because you know. The little reveal is that the left 584 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: thinks that all the cows should go away because they 585 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: can't make their math math with the cows, just to 586 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: be clear. But there's literally sitting there and a person 587 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: who works for a company is advocating removing all of 588 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: the beef products from their entire store all across America 589 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: in the name of climate justice basically, and this person 590 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: is like slack John looking at them, being like, why 591 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: on earth would we stop selling something to customers that 592 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: they like and that we have, you know, But that 593 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: was a discussion in corporate America in twenty twenty four 594 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: because of these there's people who think of this ESG stuff, 595 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: And that's not the AOC staffer. That's somebody who's been 596 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: infected by the bug that the AOC staff are sent 597 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: over the world, right, and like advocating for like a 598 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: very anti consumer move at a very consumer facing company, 599 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: and it was like not laughed out of the room. 600 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it was eventually laughed out of the room, 601 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: but it took a while. 602 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: How much do you think this past election. 603 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: Was just Americans being like, I want to return to normalcy, 604 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, because the past four years have been totally abnormal, 605 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: as you talked about, Oh, you don't need air conditioning, 606 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, redlines are great, or you know, men can 607 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: be women, women can be men, you know what I mean, 608 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: Like just we've lived in a totally bizarre world for 609 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: like four years, and so how much of this past 610 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: election do you think was just like, get off my lawn, 611 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: I want to be normal again, you know, I. 612 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: Think it's I think it describes everything. Look, the vast 613 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: majority of Americans don't think of themselves as political animals. 614 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: They just want they just want life to be good 615 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: and normal. Right, And if you buy what they were 616 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: saying before, you know, if you buy the narrative is 617 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: about the last election. They are two elections ago. People 618 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: were voting for Joe Biden because they thought he was 619 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: like a return to like a bygone era and normalcy. 620 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: And what they got to your point was bands on 621 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: gas stoves and like making your dishwasher worse, and you know, 622 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: boys and girls' locker rooms and the I think a 623 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: logical conclusion is whatever I voted for, it's not this. 624 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: I just want like life to be normal. I want 625 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: to be able to go to the store and buy 626 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: Hamburger and drive my car that is powered by gasoline 627 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: and then go and actually have and like cook it 628 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: at home without the government telling me what I can 629 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: and can't use. Right. I think that really sums up 630 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: a lot of people's views, and I think it's a 631 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: good thing. And I think that the pressure that you're 632 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: seeing under the Trump administration against DEI and a lot 633 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: of these things at the federal level is going to 634 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: be so comforting to people because it'll manifest itself in 635 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: just like like life will just look normal at stores again, 636 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: which would be really nice. 637 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: We've got a quick commercial break more with Oah Skinner 638 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: on the other side, and we've seen them kind of 639 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: come out the gate already and with a lot of 640 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: these DEI executive orders and really sending the message that 641 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: you know, this nonsense is over. We're going back to 642 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: a meritocracy. We're going back to normalcy and common sense. 643 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, what sort of long lasting changes do you 644 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: think the Trump administration can make and are they are 645 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: they going about it the right way right now? And 646 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: what else would you like to see from them to 647 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: make those longer lasting changes. 648 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: I mean, they have the ability to make huge changes 649 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: to the extent that it will be the first time 650 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: with the like host Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard, 651 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: which is a huge Supreme Court case that we haven't 652 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: talked about, is really important. Now. The entire Department of 653 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: Justice and the entire White House has US Supreme Court 654 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: case law saying that, like, you cannot discriminate in America 655 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,719 Speaker 2: based on race, even if you're Harvard, and even if 656 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: you're trying to do it in a like altruistic way 657 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: in your own words. Right, No, you're not allowed to 658 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: discriminate based on race, full stop. America gets to go 659 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: back to being like a colorblind society. Now with that 660 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: in their hand, they finally have the ability. It'll be 661 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: the first Republican administration with the will and the law 662 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: on their side to basically create pressure on corporate America. 663 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: And the number one thing they can do is just 664 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: follow through on the eos and investigate companies. You know, 665 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 2: you asked question earlier that I didn't answer, which is 666 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: when one company gets a boycott, what message does that 667 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: send to the other market participants? They all immediately change 668 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: their behavior. So if one or two companies in an 669 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: industry get taken out into the school yard and just 670 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: like you know, metaphorically, you know, get smacked around by 671 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: the law of anti discrimination law in America using the 672 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: Apartment of Justice and the Department Civil Rights and made 673 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: an example of for the crazy stuff that they've been doing. 674 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: The rest of them are going to stop it. They're 675 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: going to just shut it down, right. Their lawyers going 676 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: to walk around and be like, we're done, We're not 677 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: doing any of that anymore. And the more of that 678 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 2: that happens, the more corporate America gets locked into the middle, 679 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: not being liberal, not being conservative, which frankly, that's a 680 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: good place for it to be because it's supposed to 681 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: sell things to both types of people in America, and 682 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: so the you know what I just want to see 683 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: is this the cadence just keeps going right because it's 684 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: been a focus at the beginning, and now just get 685 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: it implemented. And the more pressure it more, the more 686 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: it sets corporate America free. And I think if there's 687 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: four years of pressure, I don't think you're ever going 688 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 2: to see corporate America writ large go crazy to the 689 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 2: left anymore because we will have trained them that there's 690 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: pressure on the right and there's pressure on the left. 691 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 2: And when there's two types of pressure, you just chart 692 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: a course through the middle. Well from your lips to 693 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: God's ears. So let's let's keep the pressure. Yeah, I mean, 694 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it, you know, And I just 695 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: I just want people to like be able to buy 696 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: things from companies that aren't trying to tell them how 697 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: to live their lives. That's a good thing if we 698 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: can get there. 699 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you guys are doing at 700 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: the Alliance for Consumers. 701 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we fight really hard to just look there, there's 702 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: a long time where companies stopped fighting back against crazy stuff, 703 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: and they started being the implementers. And at the end 704 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: of the day, consumers just want, you know, they want 705 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: simple things. They want to be able to go to 706 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: the store without getting mugged. They want there to be 707 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: things on the store shelves when they get there that 708 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: haven't been robbed. And they would like to not be 709 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: socially lectured while they're at the store. And they would 710 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: like the government to let them buy this kind of 711 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: grill or that, this kind of sink or that without 712 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 2: it being entirely dictated by AOC's chief of staff. And 713 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 2: if you can just let them do that, they'll vote 714 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: with their feet and they'll buy the things they want, 715 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: and they'll live the lives they want. If you live 716 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: in a coastal enclave of California, you'll buy a tiny 717 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 2: electric car and the super expensive dishwasher, and you know, 718 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: maybe you'll go without air conditioning. And if you live 719 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: in Plano, Texas, you'll buy a suburban for your four kids, 720 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 2: and you'll buy a normal house with normal cars and 721 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 2: normal dishwashers, because that's the life you're choosing to live. 722 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: And that's fine. I'm fine with a crazy person in 723 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 2: coastal California live in a crazy life. They're allowed to 724 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 2: be weird. But I think most people who live in Eden, Prairie, 725 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: Minnesota or Plano, Texas should also be allowed to, like 726 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 2: buy a car and have three kids. I just think 727 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: that's like a normal thing to do. 728 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I don't want to be weird. 729 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: Yes, most Americans, just like most Americans are busy with 730 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 2: their kids and their lives, and they're not thinking about 731 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: how they could squeeze an extra two percent efficiency out 732 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: of their dishwasher and exchange for an extra three thousand dollars. 733 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: That's a Nancy Pelosi problem. That's not a family in Plano, 734 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: Texas problem. And along the way, the government got confused 735 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: and they started making it. You know, we call it 736 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: mandated progressive lifestyle choices. They're just trying to like mandate 737 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 2: the Nancy Pelosi Marine California crazy lifestyle onto the rest 738 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: of the country rather than just letting those people be 739 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 2: them and the rest of the country be normal America. 740 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: Waite Skinner was great to meet you recently and great 741 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: to have you on the podcast. I really appreciate your time. 742 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: This has been fun. 743 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: That was Waged Skinner. Appreciate him for taking the time 744 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home 745 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen 746 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: throughout the week until next time.