WEBVTT - Education is Power

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of t M I.

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<v Speaker 3>Tamika my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration, New.

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<v Speaker 1>Name, New Energy. What's up, my son, Lennon, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Tmika Mallory?

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<v Speaker 1>That's me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's who you be. You know, I'm to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be making him change that on like checks and

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<v Speaker 1>you make sure that D is this because that's my name.

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<v Speaker 2>You made sure that you ain't gonna miss the D.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm dead to you. I'm just saying, I mean, are

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<v Speaker 4>y'all serious about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thing? People do it? Why? Because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nature. You don't want to get caught saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But what if you're a grown person that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>fifty years old into you.

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<v Speaker 3>Grown people is the ones who've been doing it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>started with the grown people.

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<v Speaker 2>O my god, and Dame das.

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<v Speaker 4>Odu style do it right because she's saying it. But

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<v Speaker 4>like I was going to get ice cream, Paul, He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>that is not what it's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Useful. That ain't it. I love you, but that ain't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of ice cream, I ain't been eating no ice cream.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my workout like it's gonna be tough this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, because I'm back. I'm tired

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<v Speaker 3>of the dad bought. I had the dad buy for

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<v Speaker 3>about two three years. I couldn't really see my six pack. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my six pack wasn't it wasn't right, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. I felt my stomach over my pants. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like, nah, this ain't me. So, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>last few months, been getting it right. I see my

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<v Speaker 3>six pack again. It's tough. I'm down about ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>almost eleven pounds. You know, ramadan't helped me get on

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<v Speaker 3>that that road. You know what I'm saying, So that

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<v Speaker 3>that exercise. Man, y'all be trying to cheat. Everybody want

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<v Speaker 3>to cheat the ground. To me, I want to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't cheat the ground. You don't really cheat. First,

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<v Speaker 3>you have been working out.

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<v Speaker 4>I have, and I have curved a lot of my

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<v Speaker 4>bad habits in terms of eating.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to do better.

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<v Speaker 4>I realized that sugar is my addiction like I have really,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I didn't listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I have traded in other addictions.

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<v Speaker 4>For sugar and it's serious, Like I now am beginning

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<v Speaker 4>to see that if I don't have sugar, or if

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<v Speaker 4>if I don't have something sweet, I get agitated, and

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<v Speaker 4>that is a problem. So now apple slices is my

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<v Speaker 4>new thing, or you know, some type of fruit to

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<v Speaker 4>try to help me. And then you know what I

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<v Speaker 4>also eat, y'all know, because I keep them around all

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<v Speaker 4>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Crab babies. Baby. I got to have me a crib baby.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my that's my job. I was eating.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you, let me tell y'all this story.

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<v Speaker 4>So I used to keep a bag of.

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<v Speaker 2>Double bubble gum, double bubble.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the individual double bubble gums. First I used to

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<v Speaker 4>have bazooka gum. But them joints just be too stale,

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<v Speaker 4>like they I don't maybe people don't eat them as

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<v Speaker 4>much as they used to, so they just leave you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just buy you a box of rocks and soil.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, can't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, eating gum, I don't think it's healthy anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>But eating gum. See, eating gum, that's why this is

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<v Speaker 4>how I chew gum.

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<v Speaker 1>I eat them.

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<v Speaker 4>So then I went to double bubble and I got

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<v Speaker 4>somehow I lucked up and out of the CBS store.

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<v Speaker 4>I found the bag of double bubble gums, but it

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<v Speaker 4>also had the hard ones that you buy from because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm one of those people, as you know, because y'all

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<v Speaker 4>have seen me.

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<v Speaker 1>We could be.

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<v Speaker 4>One time we were in like the back roads of

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know where the hell we were, and my

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<v Speaker 4>ass was running all around trying to collect twenty five

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<v Speaker 4>cent to get one of them gums out of the

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that was something we wouldn't talk about here,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was like a thing going on in the community,

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<v Speaker 4>and they wanted to inform us, but they didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk out in public, so we and I'm running

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<v Speaker 4>around instead of the meeting, I'm out here trying to

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<v Speaker 4>get twenty five cent to get some bubblegum out of

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<v Speaker 4>that dirty machine that never gets cleaned.

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<v Speaker 1>And the inside I like bubblegum.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I got the bag with the double Bubbles

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<v Speaker 4>in it, it had.

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<v Speaker 1>The cry Babies was in there too.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Crybabies and a few of the little other

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<v Speaker 4>hard ones. So then I took the whole bag of

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<v Speaker 4>double bubbles and took it to the hand salon and

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<v Speaker 4>say I can't have this no more. Ordered me some

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<v Speaker 4>cry Babies and now I'm just loving a bag of crimebait.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I gotta get I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know this is a lot. I was told with my

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<v Speaker 3>six pack and you went to crabbabies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm just saying sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>Sugar is a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, man, Health is wealth for real, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's and I'm just enjoying my health journey again.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm back like inspired with my workout and just being healthy,

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<v Speaker 3>eating healthy. Well, I'm still fast and technically because I

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<v Speaker 3>do intimate and.

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<v Speaker 1>Faster than anyway you lived like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, and I just feel I feel, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel myself being a lot more stronger.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all don't really eat like the girls eat. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna lie like men do not eat like women. Because

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<v Speaker 4>being on the road with y'all, Linda and I can

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<v Speaker 4>put down.

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<v Speaker 3>Some I don't even know how Linda listen to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know where Linda fit the food. She

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<v Speaker 3>she gets a plate. See the thing about you is

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<v Speaker 3>you pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Off your pate.

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<v Speaker 3>But I order to me order four plates, four main

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<v Speaker 3>plates entrees. She ordered steak, she ordered ribs, and then

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<v Speaker 3>she orders shrimp in this and it be with mashed

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<v Speaker 3>potatoes on heres on here did she go two spies,

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<v Speaker 3>two bites to each of them?

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<v Speaker 2>And then she just keep going around and she'll pack

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't think people that I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Linda will ordered the whole entree with like to a

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<v Speaker 3>double eat the surf and turf?

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<v Speaker 2>What what do the fries and all the stuff? Finish that?

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<v Speaker 3>And then start picking on to me get school because

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<v Speaker 3>she knows she ain't gonna eat it. And I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>how did she eat all that? I couldn't eat all that?

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<v Speaker 4>We do eat, but we but we are better and

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<v Speaker 4>this is so this behavior ended as of December of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty three, and now we're getting two meals, not

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<v Speaker 4>four vegetables, not a lot of carbs at all. I

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<v Speaker 4>have cut back carbs and it's killing me. I had

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<v Speaker 4>carbs today. But they and they say you can still

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<v Speaker 4>eat certain things, but you really do have to work out.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of people that's out here on the zimpee.

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<v Speaker 2>The zimbi, and I'm with them.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't zip Harrold they on the ZIMPI I feel you,

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<v Speaker 4>but you have to work out because you're looking a

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<v Speaker 4>little weird.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ain't still getting that work out. And you

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<v Speaker 2>just on that zimpie you.

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<v Speaker 4>Looking, you got that look that it's a look got

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<v Speaker 4>to work out. So I mean, I literally have had

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<v Speaker 4>a full lifestyle change, but I don't drink soda at all, juice,

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<v Speaker 4>none of that stuff. So you know, it's a new thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do. I can't tell the difference. I can

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<v Speaker 4>tell the difference. So anyway, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What it is.

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<v Speaker 1>My thought of the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw Donald Trump Junior and he made a very

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<v Speaker 4>very powerful statement. He said, the Republican Party that we

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<v Speaker 4>once knew is no longer. He said, the last step

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<v Speaker 4>is for MAGA to take over the rn C, which

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<v Speaker 4>is the Republican National Convention, where he's talking about going

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<v Speaker 4>there and overthrowing the whole joint.

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<v Speaker 1>And them taking over right, And he.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, once we accomplish that, it is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the MAGA Party. This man said this himself. So when

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<v Speaker 4>people start going back and forth we arguing Republicans versus Democrats,

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<v Speaker 4>we're not even really arguing Republicans versus Democrats anymore. We're

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<v Speaker 4>arguing Republicans versus I mean, Democrats versus MAGA.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Independent even some Republicans, some moderate Republicans, because the way

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<v Speaker 4>that Marjorie Taylor Green and the rest of those right

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<v Speaker 4>wing Republicans it's his name, Mark Gatz, he's from she's

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<v Speaker 4>from Georgia, and he's from Florida. The way in which

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<v Speaker 4>they are they super maga. They're not even a little maga.

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<v Speaker 4>The way that they are pulling, the way that they

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<v Speaker 4>are pulling and shifting the Republican Party towards this extremist mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>It is not the same Republican Party that you could

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<v Speaker 4>play with and be like, oh, we could kind of

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<v Speaker 4>possibly work with them. There's no working with them. They

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<v Speaker 4>do not They vote against everything that has to do

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<v Speaker 4>with us and a little bit of what we deserve.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't even get everything that we need from the Democrats, right.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't even have them in there one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>advocating for like real substantive change. It's only a few

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<v Speaker 4>people within the Democratic Party that's going to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>These maga folks at every single angle, they are turning

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<v Speaker 4>it down, They are pushing.

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<v Speaker 1>Back against anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Then in fact, they want to roll it all back,

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<v Speaker 4>and unfortunately our people sit up there and support it. So,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, some of our people, let me be careful

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<v Speaker 4>with absolutes. So my thought of the day is that

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<v Speaker 4>I hope people understand that we're not sitting up here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not because you have your own mindset around this.

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<v Speaker 4>I am not arguing that it's the Democrats are better

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<v Speaker 4>than the Republicans. I'm saying that I will never support MAGA.

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<v Speaker 4>And when Donald Trump's own son says that the Republican

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<v Speaker 4>Party is becoming that and that they intend to take

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<v Speaker 4>over and make sure that MAGA is the order of

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<v Speaker 4>the day, that bullshit make America great again, which ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>means going back to a time when black people had

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<v Speaker 4>even less rights than we have now. I can never

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<v Speaker 4>align with that. And their party leader is his father,

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump. So no, I don't support them. What does

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<v Speaker 4>that mean? Does that mean I'm puking on myself about

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<v Speaker 4>having to continuously be involved with a party that I

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<v Speaker 4>also does not feel like. I also don't feel that

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<v Speaker 4>this party deserves my vote, my energy. Absolutely absolutely. It

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<v Speaker 4>makes me sick to my stomach. But at the same

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<v Speaker 4>time I realize that whatever comes out of not just

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<v Speaker 4>this year election, but every single election, you got Congressman

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<v Speaker 4>Jamal Bowman and Corey Bush, Congresswoman Corey Bush, Angela Asselbrooks

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<v Speaker 4>running for Senate in Maryland.

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<v Speaker 1>You have Hill Harper running for office. I mean, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got people that are under attack by.

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<v Speaker 4>MAGA and a PAK, which MAGA and APAK are aligned

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<v Speaker 4>in many ways. Okay, this is some serious shit, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know that my granddaughter's future is directly connected to

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<v Speaker 4>the decisions that we made, so we could talk all

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<v Speaker 4>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't care, don't matter. I get, I hear you, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel you.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just telling you that these people have a

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<v Speaker 4>plan and a design and a strategy that includes the courts,

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<v Speaker 4>whether they be federal courts, state courts. They try they

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<v Speaker 4>are attempting to take back everything that anybody you respect

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<v Speaker 4>fought for.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even That's not even something that's even worth.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's even arguable. Nobody can't argue that. The

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<v Speaker 3>only thing what they try to say is well, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need that. We don't need Brown Person or the

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<v Speaker 3>board edge game, we don't need we don't need Roe

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<v Speaker 3>Versus Weight, we don't need de Ei, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, what do you mean The reason why we got

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<v Speaker 3>it is because we needed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to fucking the people that you do.

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<v Speaker 3>You celebrate our imposition that have been able to change

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<v Speaker 3>the future, I mean change and make change and create

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<v Speaker 3>a better future for us because they were forced to

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<v Speaker 3>put them in. They didn't never want to put us

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<v Speaker 3>in a position of power or anything like, they were

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<v Speaker 3>forced to do it. So you just giving them the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to say, you know what, we're just gonna make

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<v Speaker 3>this company one hundred percent white again. We're gonna make

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<v Speaker 3>sure these schools is one hundred percent white again. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe one if you got an IVY League black kid

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<v Speaker 3>that grew up that actually had access to wealth, then

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we'll get them in. But we don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>do none of that shit.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what DEI is. D I is women.

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<v Speaker 4>Having the opportunity to really make money, to take care

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<v Speaker 4>of themselves and their families and create and and and

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<v Speaker 4>have businesses. Right, that's de I. You know what else

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<v Speaker 4>de I is, let's go back beyond that. Oh, actually

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<v Speaker 4>it would be in the same time, voting rights was

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<v Speaker 4>de I. That was us having the ability for the

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<v Speaker 4>for the voting pool to be diverse where white people

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<v Speaker 4>did not control everything. They might have called it d

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<v Speaker 4>I at the time, but that's what the language developed

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<v Speaker 4>to be later on. D I is a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 4>D I is even our ability to get on certain

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<v Speaker 4>college campuses, to get to get the resources that our

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<v Speaker 4>schools deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>I is so much bigger than this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this this thing that people keep talking about, it

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<v Speaker 4>means that you aren't quite qualified. Like what like, we're

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<v Speaker 4>we're more qualified. And I'm gonna keep saying this. We're

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<v Speaker 4>more qualified, you know, And I and and and and

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<v Speaker 4>the sad part is I and.

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<v Speaker 1>I will leave it here. One of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said this when I was addressing Daniel Cameron

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<v Speaker 4>after he did not do justice by Brianna Taylor, her family,

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<v Speaker 4>and the community of Louisville, Kentucky, and Kentucky overall and

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately America by allowing those offices not to be prosecuted

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<v Speaker 4>for murdering that young beautiful girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I said this to him.

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<v Speaker 4>You just like the ones who were a part of

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<v Speaker 4>selling us into enslavement, even because you are ignorant, for real,

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<v Speaker 4>willfully ignorant whatever they've offered you, you believe that somehow,

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<v Speaker 4>if you align with you have the proximity to whatever

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<v Speaker 4>they have their wealth, their power, their whiteness. So you

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<v Speaker 4>go get married to them and then try to work

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<v Speaker 4>alongside them and throw your own family, your own people away,

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<v Speaker 4>You are complicit. So I'm saying that while we sit here.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and and and.

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<v Speaker 4>Own the talking points of those who want to be

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<v Speaker 4>our oppressors, we are in the process of selling ourselves

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<v Speaker 4>right back into the same loop that we have fought

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<v Speaker 4>so hard to get out of. So I just hope

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<v Speaker 4>that black men who hear that know that love me

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<v Speaker 4>for real, don't love me just in the bed, don't

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<v Speaker 4>love me just you know.

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<v Speaker 1>We cool and you you support me? And yes, sis, no,

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies, our rights.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything about us, everything that you claim you love is

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<v Speaker 4>under attack. And you out here talking about we were

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<v Speaker 4>not qualified.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough to get the job. Brothers, Let's be for real.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a word there.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what to say, but I feel

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<v Speaker 3>a little bad to bring some music after that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, we we deserve the balance of a

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<v Speaker 4>little musical, little music by lighting it up.

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<v Speaker 2>What you got artist from Philadelphia og like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I call real og Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody sent it to me and it just touched me.

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<v Speaker 3>This brother is lyrically dope. His message is really trying

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<v Speaker 3>to wake up the youth. Reminds me of pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>my message. His name is Saint Basil. He's dope. He's

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<v Speaker 3>a dope artist. And he has this song that he

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<v Speaker 3>released the video for where he took the Somehow some

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<v Speaker 3>Way jay Z and Beanie song. That one of my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite songs. He took the beat and he made it

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<v Speaker 3>into his own, and it's just it's him schooling these

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<v Speaker 3>young boys and just talking to them about the streets

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<v Speaker 3>and the reality and just trying to inspire and motivate him.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's lyrically crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sot Basil, Saint Basil Basil. So it's somebody. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>my speed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you love it, the old speed, you love it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who I like as an artist, Lola Brook.

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<v Speaker 3>Lola shout out the way she come out. Lola is

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to my main eighty, who is she signed to?

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty is one of the main those best friends. And

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<v Speaker 3>eighty got shot a while ago. He's been in the wheelchair,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's always been like my heart, and he started

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<v Speaker 3>his own company. He signed Lola and they've been doing anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So shout out to eighty. Shout out to Lola, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the first time, Like I've always been a fan of HRS.

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<v Speaker 3>When I first met her at Yankee Stadium when they

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<v Speaker 3>did the concert, she gave me a.

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<v Speaker 2>Big hugs, like, yo, all love it? What do you do? So?

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<v Speaker 2>And her energy.

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<v Speaker 4>She came out on the stage for the uh what

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<v Speaker 4>was it? She's a cold concert? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And scarlet scarlet. I love Scarlet.

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<v Speaker 4>I happened to see her not long ago, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was and she was with og Bar at Brooklyn chop

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<v Speaker 4>House one night. And in Brooklyn Chophouse is a black

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<v Speaker 4>man's restaurant that is in the middle of Times Square

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<v Speaker 4>and it's several floors and it's very fabulous.

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<v Speaker 1>And she don pooh, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was at a table sitting down with og Barr,

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<v Speaker 4>who's like the uncle to us all.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know you could tell O g was.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, yes, you know, he was schooling U, telling

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<v Speaker 4>them what it is. And I just walked over to him.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, you are beautiful. Don't letting anybody make

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<v Speaker 4>you feel like you have to defend your beauty. You

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<v Speaker 4>just beautiful. And she was so beautiful in person, just

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful spirit, so sweet and kind, but that Internet

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<v Speaker 4>has you feeling like you gotta get on there and

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<v Speaker 4>be like stop stop saying how I look, and stop

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<v Speaker 4>saying you know, because she was going through that for

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<v Speaker 4>a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But it looks like the.

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<v Speaker 4>Bar probably sat down and say, don't get there, explain

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<v Speaker 4>yourself another get well, listen, don't fuck our kids. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>don't fuck go over our children.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>We're about to talk about education in New York State,

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<v Speaker 4>which should be what we're going to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be all over the nation and ultimately all

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<v Speaker 4>over the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a brother's doing something very revolutionary, so stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring him on.

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<v Speaker 2>So today our.

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<v Speaker 3>Guest is a friend of mine, another friend, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a brother that for the last couple of years that

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<v Speaker 3>I've worked closely with, watched him do so many things,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, within the educational system and just in the

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<v Speaker 3>community period, like just watching him be very hands on

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<v Speaker 3>and supporting everybody that's doing anything from hip hop artists

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<v Speaker 3>to elected officials, and also inside education because that's where

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<v Speaker 3>his background is. You know, my brother, Dennis Makizi is

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<v Speaker 3>an experienced educator who's worked every level of education from

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<v Speaker 3>daycare to college and most recently because people will say

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<v Speaker 3>think that this all he's done, But most recently he

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<v Speaker 3>is the founder of OSG, which is short for off

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<v Speaker 3>school Grounds, you know, and it's a revolutionary organization.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to thank you and welcome you to

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 5>My pleasure, family, my pleasure. Yes, yes, yes, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 6>You know. Obviously my brother might sign up known for what.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's funny to me, I've been meeting I've been

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<v Speaker 5>wanting to meet you, or to at least talk to

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<v Speaker 5>you for so long because we we we have you know,

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<v Speaker 5>mutual friends like.

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<v Speaker 6>Jamility Davis of course, and you know this is truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Davis is all my friend's friends exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Most certainly, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>So give us a background, let us know what it

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<v Speaker 3>is you're doing. Because serial educated from daykid all the

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<v Speaker 3>way to come. That's a life, So give us like

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<v Speaker 3>a background.

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<v Speaker 5>My entire family we're postal workers, right, so my grandfather,

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<v Speaker 5>my mother, my father, my sister, my twin brother and

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<v Speaker 5>I all worked at the post office at one time

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<v Speaker 5>or another. And you know, just getting up every night

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<v Speaker 5>going to work. Man, it just you know, to make

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<v Speaker 5>a dollar. It just wasn't fulfilling enough for me. And

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<v Speaker 5>then one night, you know, I just say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 5>this is probably this is probably not the move I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna make, and I'm going to make a career switch.

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<v Speaker 5>So the next morning I got up looking the newspaper

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<v Speaker 5>and I saw an opportunity to work at a school

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<v Speaker 5>in Westchester, you know, because I grew up in Mount Vernon,

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<v Speaker 5>and I said, you know what, let me, let me,

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<v Speaker 5>let me try that. I left the post office making

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<v Speaker 5>eighteen dollars an hour to make it seven dollars and

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<v Speaker 5>thirty seven cent at the school because I believed in

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<v Speaker 5>it so much, you know, I felt that that was

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<v Speaker 5>my passion. That's what I what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I remember when I made that jump, my

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<v Speaker 5>mom bugged out on me. She was like, yo, you

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<v Speaker 5>buggin Like how you gonna do that? Because at that

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<v Speaker 5>time I became a father. When I was seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 5>I had my first son, who's now thirty three. I

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<v Speaker 5>had him my last year in high school. And so

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to do that and then say, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what, I'm want to make a career shift. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he probably been two or three years old. It was

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<v Speaker 5>truly a leap of faith for me to do so,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, so being able to say to myself, I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted more. I wanted to do more than what my

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<v Speaker 5>family were able to do. I look back now, almost

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<v Speaker 5>thirty years later, and I feel like it was a

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<v Speaker 5>dope move for myself because from May I went from

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<v Speaker 5>the daycare to school aid to teacher, to assist in principal,

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<v Speaker 5>the principal to executive director of an all male school

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<v Speaker 5>in Brooklyn, and then most recently, for the past twelve years,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been running my own consultant firm. Why I support

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<v Speaker 5>school leaders across the nation, so you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>I'm supporting principles from New York all the way to

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<v Speaker 5>Compton and everywhere in between, and then also to for

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<v Speaker 5>the past two years, I've been an adjunct professor at

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<v Speaker 5>Columbia University. So really I've done it almost from creative

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<v Speaker 5>all the way through through college at this point in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of my career, so it is, it has been

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<v Speaker 5>one heck of a journey. You know, I'm only fifty

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<v Speaker 5>fifty years old, and you know, but to say that

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<v Speaker 5>I've run the gamut when it comes to education as

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<v Speaker 5>an understatement, and I'm just really, you know, really blessed

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<v Speaker 5>to have said that I can, I can speak about

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<v Speaker 5>education in the most scholarly fashion that I could also

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<v Speaker 5>tell you what it means on a street level as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny that you say your mom was like, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you doing? Because you know, black folks, it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>you ain't gonna give up that good job, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean, that good city job, absolute stable job.

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<v Speaker 4>So seven dollars in yes, yeah, that's that's taking a

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<v Speaker 4>cut for sure. And it's funny that we just interviewed

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<v Speaker 4>not long ago Congressman Jamal Bowman who was talking about

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<v Speaker 4>how the federal minimum wage is still seven dollars is

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<v Speaker 4>some change seven twenty fives or whatever, right, So we still.

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<v Speaker 1>Have not it hasn't changed much.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, at that time, it probably was five dollars

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<v Speaker 4>or four dollars in change, and you were making a premium.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know what to be I forgot to tell

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<v Speaker 6>you it was part time. Oh lord, oh my, So

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<v Speaker 6>I was at.

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<v Speaker 5>That time going to I was working at that school

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<v Speaker 5>in the morning for seven dollars and thirty seven cent

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<v Speaker 5>and then I would take the train down to Halem

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<v Speaker 5>and work at Harbor morning Side Daycare for I think

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<v Speaker 5>another five dollars and something. So I literally working two

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<v Speaker 5>jobs in the profession that I loved for basically a

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<v Speaker 5>total of thirteen dollars, you know what I'm saying. So

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<v Speaker 5>it was I would basically work in the morning to

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<v Speaker 5>basically pay because at that time it wasn't driving to

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<v Speaker 5>pay the commute to get down to Harlem to work

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<v Speaker 5>at the daycare. So I forgot to I left that

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<v Speaker 5>part of it out because it wasn't a full time,

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<v Speaker 5>full time job.

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<v Speaker 3>So when did you realize that you had a love

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<v Speaker 3>for education like women?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it was funny my son.

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<v Speaker 5>I always felt like I had a passion for people, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember at that moment my brother and I,

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<v Speaker 5>my brother and I we went to Hopstu University. We

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<v Speaker 5>went to Hopstra for a semester. Right But because at

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 5>that time I had my son, you know, going to

0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 5>Hopshire playing football and stuff like that, I just felt

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<v Speaker 5>awkward about leaving my son to go to school, to

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<v Speaker 5>go away to college because we stayed on campus. So

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<v Speaker 5>then I came back, I said, you know what, the

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<v Speaker 5>same for me to be away. So I came back

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<v Speaker 5>to Mount Vernon, and in Mount Vernon they had just

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<v Speaker 5>opened an extension site for Mercy College. Was in the

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<v Speaker 5>basement of an elementary school at night, so from six

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<v Speaker 5>to nine o'clock I would go to school in this

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<v Speaker 5>extension site. And I remember there was this big, broadly

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<v Speaker 5>white guy who's my counselor. He said, I think you

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<v Speaker 5>should really consider working not only with people, but with children.

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 5>And because he saw me, you know, he spent so

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<v Speaker 5>much time with me as my counselor, he was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I think you should give it a shot. And I

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<v Speaker 5>trusted him, and I guess from that point the rest

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<v Speaker 5>is history. Because I've also had great experiences in school,

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<v Speaker 5>right I had Miss Shannon, who's my third grade teacher.

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<v Speaker 6>Miss Bracy was my fourth grade teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Ms.

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<v Speaker 5>Joffrion, who's my fifth grade teacher. I remember black educators

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 5>who poured into me. In addition to my father being

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<v Speaker 5>from Jamaica and my mother from being from Belize. They

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<v Speaker 5>had a you know, it was a high respect for education.

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<v Speaker 5>So that in conjunction with you know, great teachers when

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<v Speaker 5>I grew up, really pushed me in that area. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think Jim McGowan is his name. He was the

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<v Speaker 5>one who really told me that I would be.

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<v Speaker 6>Good at this, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I can honestly tell you he was right. He was

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<v Speaker 5>the first one to tell me that. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like I said, I owe a lot to him and

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 5>people like him who saw something in me that I

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 5>didn't even see in myself. Right, because from our communities,

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 5>it's tough sometimes because all we see is what we see.

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<v Speaker 6>We saw hip hop, you know, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Saw we saw hip hop, we saw app you know, sports,

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 5>we saw those type of things, and we looked at

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<v Speaker 5>a teacher or principal and we was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if I want to do that. They don't look

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 5>like they're making no money. I look at when I'm

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 5>coming to school. Their cars don't look fly. So I

0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 5>don't know if I want to do that.

0:26:58.840 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 6>So it really.

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<v Speaker 5>Pushed me in that space after hearing hearing my counselor

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<v Speaker 5>giving me that advice.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, So you tell me you said your mother was Jamaican.

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<v Speaker 6>No, my mother was from Belize.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mother's from.

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Belize and your father from Jamaica. It's from Jamaica. We

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 4>did a show not long ago when we were talking

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 4>about how all most of my friends that are from

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<v Speaker 4>whether they are Haitian or Jamaican or whatever, there is

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 4>such a focus on education.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I think because for them they realized that,

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 5>you know, and to go to a great school in

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 5>those areas, you have to pay for it. And I

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 5>think my father in particular would say, you know, for us,

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<v Speaker 5>not to take it for granted, because in order to

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 5>get the kind of education we'll get here in America,

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 5>people have to pay for it in other areas of

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<v Speaker 5>the world.

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 6>So I think that was the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also feel like, just like most parents, you

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 5>want more for your children than you.

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 6>Had for yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I think he was, he was so much ingrained

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 5>that education was it was ingrained in the education was important.

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 5>But I also felt deep down inside that he just

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 5>wanted more for us, and so that's where the push

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 5>was when it came to that. I don't think it

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 5>was much more than that to me. I don't think

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 5>it was something where we you know, he had this,

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 5>he had this vision that education would taken me this far.

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 5>Because my father, who passed away six years ago, didn't

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 5>never really seem didn't know the work that I did.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 5>He didn't understand that I was already doing some revolutionary

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 5>stuff and education had no idea my mother, which was crazy.

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 6>My mother from Belize, she had a really unique.

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Way of saying how she felt about us as her children.

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 5>I defended my dissertation for my doctorate two and a

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 5>half years ago.

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 6>My mother and I did it virtually.

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 5>My mom and about ninety other people were on their

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<v Speaker 5>zoom after the zoom call for and they and they

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 5>announced me as a recipient or the tooral degree. My

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 5>mom said to me, I didn't know you was that smart,

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 5>and it was. And I had to take what she said.

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>It understood that she just hadn't been engaged. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And that was a crazy part because again I

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 5>never took it as I never took it as she

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 5>was trying. Yeah, she wasn't trying to play me. It

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 5>was just her saying like, yo, I'm proud of you son,

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 5>you know. And on that particular and on that particular zoom,

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 5>I had Mayor Sean Patterson from Mount Vernion where I'm from,

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 5>who was there also to to support Dame dash was

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<v Speaker 5>on it. And you know, you're talking about only ninety

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 5>educators to see me do this, but she was like, man,

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 5>like I didn't know you was that smart? Like I didn't.

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 5>But neither one of them, I think, really had the

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 5>opportunity to understand what I was doing in the world.

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 5>They had no idea. It's recently, mind you, my twin

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 5>brother doesn't really understand what I'm doing. My sister the

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 5>other day was scrolling through Instagram and realized, like, wow, bro,

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 5>you doing it? Like can I get some oeg year?

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 5>Like can I get that stuff?

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 6>No, I got you, I got you. I got something

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 6>for both of y'all.

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 5>But it's crazy that when people staying that close to

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 5>you they kind of take you for granted and said

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 5>they have no idea what I was doing.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>But like I'm a big deal out here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And but you know what's funny, Thank God that

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 5>I'm reminded of it every day and I don't ever

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 5>get big headed about it, but I most certainly, you know,

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 5>periodically because both my parents have passed. Now, I would

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.239
<v Speaker 5>go to the cemetery and have those conversations now. Right,

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 5>just even three weeks ago, I was in a space

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 5>and I say, yo, let me just go pull up

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 5>on my parents and save us up and just tell them,

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 5>thank you for giving me this opportunity to be out

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 5>here making this difference in the world.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 6>So I truly can tell you that.

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 5>It's the people that staying closer to you, closest to you,

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 5>that have no idea as to what it is that

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 5>you accomplished. So my parents, most certainly, I think had

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 5>a great you know, they knew they were doing something.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 5>I don't think they had a clue as to the

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<v Speaker 5>type of battery they put in my back and the

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 5>influence that they made on my life because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>when it was happened and they were still a bit

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<v Speaker 5>detached from from from my world.

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's that's common most people, like you said,

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 3>most people closer you don't realize you know exactly what

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 3>it is. Because my mother used to say that to

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 3>me all the time. She used to really look at

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>me and people we we walked somewhere and people are like, hey,

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 3>that's mine and they want to take pictures on it.

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 3>She just be looking like you really, somebody, you know

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 6>But let me tell you that.

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 5>But let me tell you a quick story about that though.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 5>So after after so I got my doctorate in February.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 5>My mom in April, probably the last week in April,

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 5>was in Mount Vernon and she was going to the

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 5>store and she saw Mayor Sewan Patterson and she stopped

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 5>Maya Seawan Patterson and say, hey, are you doing this

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 5>is Dennis's Dennis Dennis's mom, I met you on a

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 5>zoom and stuff like that, and she already knew who

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 5>my mom was.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 6>My mom didn't know she knew who she was.

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 5>And what was so dope is that my mom was

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 5>really bragging on me to Mayor Seawan Patterson.

0:31:58.920 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 6>She that was her.

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 5>That was her moment to say how proud I am

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<v Speaker 5>on my son because may Ha told me. But unfortunately,

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 5>the very next day, my mom had a massive, massive stroke.

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 5>The next day after meeting Mayor Patterson and saying that

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 5>to her, she had a massive stroke and have never

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 5>recovered from it and unfortunately passed away a few weeks later.

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 5>But I but what was so dope about that is

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 5>that I had the mayor able to tell me what

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 5>my mother said about me, you know what I'm saying,

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 5>And then she came and spoke at my mother's funeral

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 5>and all that stuff as well.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 6>So it was dope.

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 5>To know that even as she was departing this earth,

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 5>she was willing to tell somebody like, I'm proud of

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 5>my son, even if she wasn't willing to tell me

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 5>you no, nothing.

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Like a Caribbean mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's there's such a it's so it's just so

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 4>hard felt as beautiful. We have a friend. His name

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 4>is Michael Blake, you know, Michael Blake. Okay, so his

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 4>mother obviously a Jamaican woman, and when she talks about

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 4>how proud she is she loves her son, and it

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 4>is just a beautiful sound it is.

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a beautiful So tell us about OSG like it?

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 3>First of all, what made you just say?

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 3>You went through every level of education you teach, Like

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 3>who wakes up and says, I'm going to create an

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 3>organization that I pretty much deal with educator like pretty

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 3>much actually teach educators Like, yeah.

0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>So explain to us what it is because I guess

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I gave a little bit of it.

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, no, no problem. So, so OEG was birthed

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 5>out of a labor of love. Let me just start there,

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 5>like there is there is nothing else to be said

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 5>as to why what happened was Like I said, For

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 5>the past twelve almost thirteen years now, I've been running

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 5>my own consultant firm where I'm supporting school leaders across

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 5>the nation.

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 6>So when COVID hit those people.

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.959
<v Speaker 5>That I was traveling across the country to go and

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 5>see and spend time with and help them to transform

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 5>their community and transform their schools. Unfortunately, nobody was moving

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 5>at that time in the world in.

0:33:58.600 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 6>History.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 5>This is the first anybody's ever experienced something like this

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 5>where legit, you know, superstars in the educational field was

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 5>out there on silos, was out there on islands by themselves,

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 5>and they were like, yow do I how do I

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 5>stay connected.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 6>To the people that I helped build?

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 5>I helped build many of them to the space that

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 5>they were in, so being able to say what can

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 5>I do? What can I do to bring them together?

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.479
<v Speaker 5>It was something simple. My sort is like, Okay, let's

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.399
<v Speaker 5>put them on a virtual virtual call every single week

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 5>leadership development, but give them a safe space to actually

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 5>share best practice and their emotions and.

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 6>Stuff like that.

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Like I said, what it turned into four years later,

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 5>what wasn't what I expected that. Really, I just wanted

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 5>to give them a space every week to be part

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.800
<v Speaker 5>of a group of other leaders across the nation that

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 5>was feeling the same thing that they was feeling, the

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 5>same hurt, the same pain as fear, all that was

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 5>going on.

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Describe the pain, the fear and what's it like dealing

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 4>with parents.

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I think the thing about, you know, the

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 5>fear and the hurt and all those things. You got

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 5>to remember people were dying around school leaders every day,

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 5>whether it was their staff members, whether it was their

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 5>the children, the children's parents, the people in the community,

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 5>their own family. So you have to say, you know,

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 5>as a school leader, people were still expecting you to

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 5>come to work and do what you got to do.

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So people were dying during COVID. I just want to

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>know nothing.

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 4>The world said, not the world, But there were people

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 4>who said, nah, this is not that, it's not it's

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 4>not different from the flu.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing.

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 5>It's real to me that that we're talking about communities

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 5>ravaged by COVID, and where it's funny there was a

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 5>point where churches were the hub of the community, and

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 5>during COVID, even they were shut down, even they were closed,

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 5>the one place that remained opened on COVID with schools,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 5>people made sure that kids ate during that time that

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.919
<v Speaker 5>principles had to go to schools sometimes to make sure

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 5>that the that the technology the kids needed for remote

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 5>learning was happening, but at the same time leaving their

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:13.839
<v Speaker 5>own family at home.

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 6>So you can imagine the fear you didn't know.

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 5>If you walk outside, that that COVID was gonna jump

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 5>on you the moment.

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 6>You step out the door.

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 5>But that's what people had to deal with, and so

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 5>the fear of them catching COVID leaving their house was

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 5>something that they were fearful of. But the more and

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 5>more you realized that you weren't dealing with this by yourself,

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 5>when you was dealing with it with a collective other

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 5>group of people. Then we can cry together, we can

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 5>laugh together, we can talk about this stuff together, we

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 5>can share best practice on things we're doing. But I

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 5>think what really tell what's the teller, the telltale, the

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 5>telltale of this right now is when I think.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 6>About why it was necessary.

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 5>It was necessary because nobody else was doing nothing for them.

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 5>They was expected to go to work, they were essential workers,

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 5>and nobody called them a send workers.

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying.

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 5>Remember this, not only were kids expected to learn, but

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 5>kids were expected to eat. Many of our students were

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 5>coming to school every day if nothing else to eat.

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Now you got COVID that shut it down for eighteen months.

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Somebody got to go make sure that door is open.

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 5>Somebody got to go make sure that, you know, the

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 5>kitchen staff is preparing lunch and breakfast for kids who

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 5>may not be able to eat. So during those times,

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 5>it was a space where school leaders just didn't have

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 5>they didn't have a support group.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 6>Everybody had a support group.

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 5>With them, and I just felt like, you know what,

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 5>I have to do something about it. And that's the

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, the idea of off school grounds. Just to

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 5>think about it this way, all the problems that we

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.959
<v Speaker 5>were dealing with in the schools, where did it happen

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 5>off school grounds? We talk about food and securities all

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 5>school grounds, tech gap off school grounds, financial literacy issues

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 5>all school grounds. So it was it was I think

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:59.320
<v Speaker 5>a fitting a fitting name for an organization because during

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 5>the pandemic, everything that was done was done off school grounds,

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 5>and the principals needed a space in which to come

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 5>and actually share their best practices and stuff like that

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 5>as well. So that's where it came from. The whole

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 5>the whole concept of off school grounds.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>So so so explain to what is what is it now?

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 5>What is Yeah, so I'm it's now it's an it's

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 5>actually a non for profit organization right now, that focus

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 5>is on leadership development, with the focus being on school

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 5>leaders leading communities now, right, Because again, during the time

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 5>of the one of the one of the biggest tragedies

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 5>of this of this of this country's history, who was

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 5>there doing it? You know, everybody talked about leading communities.

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 5>But the one period, one group of people I was

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 5>always leading communities were school leaders, right, And so I

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 5>felt like I needed to do something more after the pandemic,

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 5>which was let me allow for people to start learning

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 5>from school leaders.

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 5>So if you were if you were mayor if you

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 5>are if you're a city council, if you a senator,

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 5>instead of thinking that you have the answer, why don't

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.919
<v Speaker 5>you sit down and talk to a principal and allow

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 5>principal to provide the leadership development that you need to

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 5>understand how to run a community. Right, the greatest intel

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 5>about what's happening in the community is coming from schools

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 5>and school leaders. So why if we're going to change communities.

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 5>Don't you have school leaders at the table. It makes

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 5>no sense to me exactly. And so now we've had

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 5>we've gotten to that place now where I'm saying that

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:34.479
<v Speaker 5>there are now when when mayors and chancellors and everybody else,

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 5>before they go into office, most of them come on

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 5>my weekly zoom meeting with the principles.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 6>Why because they need to know what they need to do.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 5>When they get in office. You know, I had a

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 5>conference at Columbia University this weekend to begin It was

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean, well over five hundred leaders from across the nation.

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 5>And one of the thank you, and one of my

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 5>one of my brothers who's now mayor of Gary, Indiana,

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 5>Eddie Melton, was an attendance. He came all the way

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:05.439
<v Speaker 5>from Gary to learn from these these leaders, and he said,

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 5>I put him on a panel with four other school

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 5>leaders to teach him and to tell him how to

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 5>now do that stuff in his school district. And so

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 5>the leadership, I felt like it needed to be done

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 5>by way of what's happening with the schools. And I

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 5>think the school leaders themselves are the true community leaders now,

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 5>not saying that they're not that that other people aren't

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.760
<v Speaker 5>there other leaders aren't trying and aren't doing great things.

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 5>I just say that most of what we're trying to fix,

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 5>you can be it can be found in schools.

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 5>If we say there's issues around poverty, how do you

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 5>see that? Where do you see that? Mostly you see

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 5>it in school.

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 6>And their families. Right.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 5>So that's why I think the concept of off school

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 5>grounds is a not for profit organization is now to

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 5>create the space where educational leaders are the ones teaching

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 5>other leaders throughout the community how to lead, how to

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 5>lead young people and things like that. And so that's

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 5>what that's what it's, you know what, it's what it

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 5>has become, that has become.

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So so how important first of all, do you engage parents?

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes?

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 4>And how important would you say parent participation is in

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 4>the process, Like do you believe I know some parents

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 4>that their kids are doing really well and they're not active.

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 4>It's not they don't have time, they got two jobs, this,

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 4>and that they may or may not be a dad

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 4>or mom, more than likely not a dad, and they

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 4>just don't have the time.

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>But they tell their kids don't have that damn.

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 4>School, call me about anything, and that's when they get involved.

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 4>The point that the phone r Yes. So what would

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.399
<v Speaker 4>you say about parent involvement? Is it parent involvement or is.

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It just having a good household?

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 5>Like, Yeah, I think it's I think it's both. I think,

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, parent engagement is important. I think having a

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, a solid household is important. However, in many

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 5>instances that's not the case, right, And that's why I

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 5>say schools have become the hub. Schools have become in

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 5>some instances, parents have become the family, have become that person.

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 5>I was experienced. I experienced something about two weeks ago

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 5>in a school where there was a young lady who

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.320
<v Speaker 5>came to school and she began to ask the staff

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 5>members and then ended up with the principal and ask

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 5>could they adopt her because she was being bounced from

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 5>foster care to foster care and she wanted something more stable.

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 5>That she got to the point, at thirteen fourteen years old,

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 5>of feeling comfortable of asking them to be her parent.

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 5>And so I think I think parents do as good

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 5>of a job as they can in many instances, and

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 5>I think we should hold them account. But I also

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 5>know that if a person's working two jobs, if a

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 5>person is doing their very best I think as a

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 5>school we can do a little bit more and we

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 5>can't look at it from the traditional sense of what

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 5>parent engagement is. Coming to a PTA meeting isn't always

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 5>about parent engagement, you know what I mean? Sometimes you

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 5>got to say to yourself, if that parent just again

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 5>drops their child off in the morning and you say

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 5>good morning, they say good morning. Engagement, Right, it don't

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 5>have to be let's go sit down at a bake

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 5>sale and cookies and all that stuff like that. But

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 5>I am saying that the schools I put great I

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 5>put a great emphasis on school leaders stepping in in

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 5>areas that there are there are these voids because our

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 5>community has been this way forever.

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, anybody adopt the girl, you know what.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 6>It's funny.

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 5>And I actually had somebody in another borough reach out

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 5>to the principal and they were looking to place a

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 5>girl in this new household. So yeah, so it was

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 5>it's one of those things, you know, family that we

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 5>got to get to the understanding that what things used

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:43.919
<v Speaker 5>to look like and be it's it's not the same

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 5>no more.

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.760
<v Speaker 6>It's not the same that when we say.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 5>Again, parent engagement again, if a mom is doing the

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.959
<v Speaker 5>very best she can as a single mom or dad

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 5>as a single dad, and you and their child is

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 5>having difficulties right with the mental anguish that many of

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 5>our kids are going through.

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 6>A parent can't help that all the time. What are

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 6>you gonna do? Beat them?

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 5>Like, you got to say to yourself, the way the

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 5>world has changed over the past.

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 6>Three to four years, and they people talk about learning laws,

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 6>guess who else experienced learning laws? Parents?

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.480
<v Speaker 5>A parent is now expected to do things that they

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 5>didn't expect, didn't know how to do. You send that

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 5>kid on for eighteen months and you tell this parent

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 5>to now teach.

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>That's how long we were out of school.

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 6>And eighteen months.

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 5>And so you got to say, if we talk about

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.319
<v Speaker 5>learning loss for children, we got to think about learning

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 5>loss for every adult that was responsible for working with

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:44.439
<v Speaker 5>children as well. Again, a kid is home with one

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 5>hot spot and four siblings and a mom and a

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 5>dad who is trying to just you know, pay bills.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.760
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's a very difficult concept to understand and grasp.

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 5>And we got to become honest about that that the

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 5>majority of parents out here that are doing the best

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 5>that they can need to be acknowledged for that. And

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 5>in the schools. We got a lot of resources. We

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 5>got a lot of money in schools. People say we don't,

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 5>but there's enough money for us to think about ways

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 5>to support families and communities, and so I say that

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 5>parent engagement is one of them. I also think when

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 5>another thing that is evolved and changed is how children

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 5>are learning. There is this new generation. It's out for

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 5>generation of young people. This is a new generation. They

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 5>were born with iPads and iPhones in their hands. And

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 5>what happened was we send them to for eighteen months

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 5>they use iPhones and iPads and laptops. Now they come

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 5>back to school, you take away the laptops, the iPhones

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 5>and iPads, and kids are expected to learn through textbooks again.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 6>So they're in lies again. A need for us to

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 6>have those conversations with people that are making the real

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 6>decisions for our children.

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 5>Because if you're not an educated don't know this, If

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 5>you don't see this every day, you don't understand that.

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 5>So the evolution of education has gotten to a point

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:02.479
<v Speaker 5>where we have to become really radical about our approach now,

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 5>and let's stop blaming people for that stuff. Let's stop

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.760
<v Speaker 5>diagnosing the problem and saying, well, you know, parents aren't involved.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 5>We've been saying that for as long as I've been

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 5>as long as I've been alive. Right, Oh, parents aren't involved.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 5>Parents aren't involved. But there's still people who are successful

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 5>as a result of it, you know what I'm saying.

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.959
<v Speaker 5>So at one time, it was because the church helped,

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 5>it was because of basketball programs helped, the YMCA's help.

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 6>And when those things went away, the one thing that

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:28.720
<v Speaker 6>say constant was a school.

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm just amazement because I remember during COVID when you know,

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I first met you and I came on to the

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 3>zoom yeah you know, and that's when I had my

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 3>first book, Yes you know, I know my rights and

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 3>it was all these educators on it and it was

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 3>just and I was like wow, and everybody was engaging.

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 2>It was deemed dash.

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 3>It was so many different people and the experience was

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 3>just amazing, just experience. And a lot of people reached

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 3>out to me. A lot of principles reached out to me.

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 3>I built relationships with them. They brought me when school

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 3>got back in, they brought me to this schoo you

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying. It created a network. So just

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 3>watching Full Circle, going to the conference and being in

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 3>the room with all these educators and the dope educators

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 3>black and mainly black and Hispanic educators that come from

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 3>where we come from, and the brilliant individuals, and it

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 3>got swag. You know what I'm saying, And it's like,

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 3>understanding is this is the education that our kids are

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.880
<v Speaker 3>going to respect. And then when you go into you

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 3>brought me into each of the rooms where the educators

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 3>are teaching their classes or they're having their seminars in

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 3>each room and each breakout session, and one is talking

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 3>about how you engage the kids and about understanding that

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.359
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna be people that push back. And then one

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 3>is giving you methods and strategies to understand on how

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 3>the when of the kids learning and what needs to

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 3>be present. And then there's one talking about how do

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.800
<v Speaker 3>you use the internet and hip hop to teach the kids?

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 3>And it's just like wow, this is innovative ways of

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 3>thinking that I've always understood, especially young Black boys.

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Because they say that we are the ones that are

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>not engaged. What do you say about that that?

0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know what, again, I think that's where you

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 5>break down the silos and that's when you allow other

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 5>you know, other professions such as hip hop and and

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, politics and other things in the room. Right,

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 5>because young people, especially boys, what they they gonna be

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 5>what they see and if they don't see themselves as

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 5>anything other.

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 6>Than basketball players, drug dealers, or rapters, that's all they

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 6>gonna be.

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 5>One of the things I wanted to make happen is

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 5>I want you to understand that being a principal is cool.

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying. Being a school leader is cool.

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 5>Like running your own educational culture consulting firm is cool.

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.439
<v Speaker 5>And I'm gonna do it in Jordan's and I'm gonna

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:41.320
<v Speaker 5>do it in air Max and I'm gonna make sure

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 5>that I'm I'm you know, swagged out with it.

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 6>But I think I want to keep pushing the narrative.

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Is that what we thought principals and school leaders were like,

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 5>that's not the real that's not the real deal. When

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.280
<v Speaker 5>people say that educators there's only two or three percent

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 5>of educators that are black males, that might be true

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 5>until you put the two percent in a room like

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 5>you saw at the conference. When you see two hundred

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:11.719
<v Speaker 5>black male educators in the room, that changes the narrative now, right,

0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 5>But it also means if we all pull up to

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 5>somebody's school as black educators, that kid who was saying,

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 5>you know what, what do y'all do, He's not gonna

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.279
<v Speaker 5>look at me as homicide. He's not gonna look at

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 5>me as a detective because I'm now telling him, no,

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 5>I was a principal for ten years. I've been in

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.399
<v Speaker 5>education for thirty years. So now he aspires.

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:31.399
<v Speaker 6>To be that.

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 5>And so I think one of the things that I

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 5>talked about at the conference was us in us stopping

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 5>this this reputation.

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 6>Bashing around education.

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.479
<v Speaker 5>Right, we keep passing this dirty needle about education being

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 5>a bad thing. We don't get enough money, it's just

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 5>stressful job, it's challenging, all that stuff like that. I'm like,

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 5>why would a kid didn't want to be me? Why

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 5>would a kid want to be me when he just

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 5>heard you say how bad of a professionist is? So

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying, let's be real about it now. Let's talk

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 5>about education from the perspective of real being game changers

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 5>and us being able to do it and say be

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 5>our authentic selves and doing so. But when you see

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.279
<v Speaker 5>it for yourself as you did this weekend, and have

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 5>you been seeing and again, Tomika, you've been in You've

0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 5>been in a lot of schools too, of course, and

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 5>you see it. You see a lot of black educators.

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I see a lot of black but I do not

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 4>see a lot of black male educators. Yes, and certainly

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 4>not a lot of black male principles, although I probably

0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 4>know more male black male principles than I do black

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 4>mail teachers.

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but you see, that's the thing, right, because we

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 5>are out here. It's just that we just don't have

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 5>a platform to be showcased.

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:45.560
<v Speaker 6>Hence, that's why I have.

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 5>A conference, That's why I do my weekly zooms, That's

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 5>why I do my best to bring hip hop and

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 5>advocacy and everything into the into this space because we

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.359
<v Speaker 5>need your voices to amplify that they are out here,

0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, because when my song can, I mean every

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 5>Friday in New Jersey with our boy Ocball Cook principle

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 5>of Westside High. You've met Principal Rod from Compton, one

0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.759
<v Speaker 5>of my other principal friends who's a principal at a

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 5>jail in Chicago mcgron.

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 6>But we don't see it.

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Right and and no one is going to exploit it.

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 4>If you will, they're not going to promote it. They

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 4>don't want that. I mean, how does that work in

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 4>favor of those who don't want to see black men succeed?

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know, just speaking of that as.

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 4>We wind down, were talking or you mentioned politics several times,

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 4>and during our recent interview with Congressman Bowman, who was

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 4>also a principal, he talked about wanting to run for

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:47.480
<v Speaker 4>office because he understood from a policy perspective that everything

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 4>happening within the school, whether it's the children that needs

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 4>to eat to your point, whether it's the you know,

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.120
<v Speaker 4>the abuse that kids are suffering, or families that are

0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 4>not secure, housing insecurities, all of that is directly connected

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 4>to policy decisions at the local, state, and federal level.

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 4>So how does your organization consider that as part of

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, your advocacy and what you're attempting to do.

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 5>So, so again I'll mention that at our conference, we

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 5>actually had the we had the New York State Border

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.799
<v Speaker 5>Regions Chancellor Lester Young, doctor Lester Young, who was our

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 5>keynote speaker, and one of the things that he and

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 5>I are working on currently is to is to get

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 5>OSG and principles from across the nation to actually come

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 5>up to Albany more frequently to lobby for what needs,

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.839
<v Speaker 5>what the needs are in our community. And so I

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 5>use him as an as an example because we do

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 5>have people in those places. Right, you know, we're talking

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 5>about the border regions of New York State. That man

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 5>is over every city, every school pretty much in New

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 5>York State. So in conversing with him, he sees this

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.879
<v Speaker 5>and he says, I didn't even know this existed this way.

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 5>So that means when I have something that needs to

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.080
<v Speaker 5>be lobbied for, I can call on always g to

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 5>come up and to be a part of that. And

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 5>I said, absolutely yes. But because we're you know, Tomika,

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 5>we we talked about a minute ago, because we're not

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 5>seen in that space.

0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 6>They don't know we exist.

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 5>So needing you all and other you know, that's where

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.439
<v Speaker 5>the hip hop, you know, that's where the hip hop

0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, family comes into play. Is because somebody's gonna

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 5>listen to my song as he stands close to me

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 5>a little different than I'm standing by myself. Right, They're

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 5>gonna stand They're gonna listen to Freeway and Dame and

0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 5>Jada and all those other people if they stand next

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 5>to me about education, and so I think in terms

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 5>of politics, I'm also engaging and that's why the conversations

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 5>around leadership and that if a if a mayor, or

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 5>for an elected official are speaking to principles now and

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 5>they ask us, well, what's the problems, and we tell

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 5>you what the problems are, and they said, we just

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 5>need y'all to come and lobby for it, and we.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 6>Take a picture. Then let's go do that.

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.239
<v Speaker 5>So I do think that politics and education actually go

0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 5>hand in hand. I think again, we make people run

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 5>away from politics because of some of the politicians that

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 5>we see that have you know, been in the history

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 5>of this country.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 6>We don't want our kids to get into it. But

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 6>we got to.

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 5>Make it cool again, right, you know, we got to

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 5>make everything that we do cool, you know, from again

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:27.400
<v Speaker 5>being a politician to being an educator. We have to

0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 5>be able to make it look cool. So I do

0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 5>push this narrative once again that as an educator, what

0:54:34.680 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 5>works for me is to be able to say, you

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 5>know what to me. I mean, I've been in space

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 5>with you and Yandy, you know, coming to the schools

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 5>and doing some dope things with children. But as an educator,

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:48.359
<v Speaker 5>that makes me proud because I know they didn't come

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:50.759
<v Speaker 5>on the strength of them just themselves. They came to

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.319
<v Speaker 5>be a part of a community, you know what I'm saying.

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.640
<v Speaker 5>They were part of the whole hub of the school

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 5>at that moment. So I just I just think in

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 5>terms of politics, I just try to keep things real simple.

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, a lot of times things aren't happening because

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.600
<v Speaker 5>people don't really know what's happening. And I do have

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:08.839
<v Speaker 5>a thing that I tell people there's an inner city

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 5>and there's an inner inner city. Right, most people never

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 5>know what's happening on the inner inner city. You don't

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 5>really know what's happening in Brownsville, you know what I'm saying.

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 5>Do you know what happened in Ocean Hill? You don't

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 5>really know what's happening in the South Bronx. You know

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 5>what's happening in the North Bronx while White Plains Road.

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:25.959
<v Speaker 5>You don't always know what's happening in Mount Vernon because

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 5>you think it's west Chester and you don't understand that,

0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:32.439
<v Speaker 5>you know, we would we were transformed from money earning

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 5>Mount Vernon to Murderville, you know, during that time. So

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.400
<v Speaker 5>people don't quite get it, and I don't expect them to.

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 5>But then that's when we all collectively have to tell them,

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:44.160
<v Speaker 5>tell a story. You know what I'm saying, tell the

0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 5>real story, and that the things that are being rapped

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.440
<v Speaker 5>about or talked about in conjunction with us standing alongside

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:51.439
<v Speaker 5>of you said, that's real.

0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.040
<v Speaker 6>You know, we got one of our principles.

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.360
<v Speaker 5>Just two days ago, was dealing with a shooting outside

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.840
<v Speaker 5>of his school, and that got some local press. But

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 5>it's not the same as if they if this was

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:06.760
<v Speaker 5>a shooting in some other community, like it's almost normal,

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 5>they normalize it, or when they do it, they bring

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:11.719
<v Speaker 5>they when they bring the media there is to tear

0:56:11.840 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 5>him down. It's not to tell the story of the

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.120
<v Speaker 5>gun violence and the community that they have to he

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.720
<v Speaker 5>has to fight through every day just to educate children.

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 5>So I do think that there has to be a

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:27.920
<v Speaker 5>stronger emphasis on us partnering with all the everybody who

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:31.040
<v Speaker 5>makes up our community, our black community, and you all

0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:34.680
<v Speaker 5>are most certainly the people that we turn to to

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.520
<v Speaker 5>help us to do that. Because my conference was dope,

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 5>But my conference was dope because my song came, and

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 5>Earn Your Leisure came, and Dame Dash came, and Freeway

0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 5>came and graft came because they no one has ever

0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 5>seen a collective group of people like this doing what

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:51.600
<v Speaker 5>we did for young people. So that's really you know,

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 5>my story about this is that this is you know,

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 5>a conversation about how we got to be more inclusive

0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 5>about the changes needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Contributor to what you think that conference was dope because

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.440
<v Speaker 3>y'allays did. We was looking like wow, and all of

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:06.480
<v Speaker 3>us and your leaders like, yo, this is dope. Just

0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 3>seeing educators in the room like that have that much

0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>energy and really wanted to learn, like they were sitting there.

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:14.080
<v Speaker 3>They want to be able to You can look and

0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 3>see these people that just got a job and they're like, yo,

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I got to go to this.

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>No, we wanted we want to educate our kids.

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And I've seen them taking notes and I've seen when

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:23.800
<v Speaker 3>they heard something good and it was writing it down

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:24.560
<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to see for educators.

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<v Speaker 5>But I want you guys also to ass as artists

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 5>to understand too that we have been transformed because of

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:35.959
<v Speaker 5>what y'all did for us too, you know what I'm saying.

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.160
<v Speaker 5>So that's what I'm saying that let's not get into

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 5>that into the habit of believing that art in competition

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 5>of who Yes, exactly exactly, because I know as a principle,

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm driving to work listening to the hip hop and

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 5>I know principles are still doing that.

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 6>So you all are part of who we've become.

0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 5>And so you all look at us and all we

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 5>look at y'all and all, and everybody's like, Yo, this

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 5>is dope, and that's what this.

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying.

0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.040
<v Speaker 2>So well, I want to say I appreciate you, thank you.

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Let them know where to find you. Absolutely, give them

0:58:06.920 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 2>all your socials.

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So is it a nonprofit?

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:10.720
<v Speaker 6>Yes, nonprofit.

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>People can send you money.

0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 6>They can they can.

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 5>So go to the Official Off school Grounds Official OSG

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:19.560
<v Speaker 5>on Instagram and Facebook. You can find me Dennis mckezy

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 5>on LinkedIn.

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.959
<v Speaker 4>Here's a brother right here, Dennis mckeesy, who is doing

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 4>something about our young people. And and and you can't

0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 4>help anyone if you if you can't heal, if you

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 4>are not healed. And so to provide a space for

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 4>educators to go and leaders to go so that they

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 4>can pour out all the things and the ideas and

0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 4>the creativity and the pain and frustration and then be

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.600
<v Speaker 4>poured back into so that they can go and pour

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.000
<v Speaker 4>into our children. I think this is critical work. You're

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.400
<v Speaker 4>doing critical work. We support you one hundred percent.

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:54.320
<v Speaker 6>Thank y'all. Family.

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 5>I appreciate y'all. Thank you, thank you, my pleasure, thank y'all,

0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 5>thank y'all.

0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my boy Jennis mackezie. Man. The work

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 2>he's doing is evolutionary, revolutionary.

0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 1>You get tell he's passionate about it.

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Listen, man, like you got to see him in his mold.

0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 3>He's in the schools, he's mentoring, and he's dealing with

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 3>the teachers and the principles, and they engaged.

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 3>You could tell he actually loves what he does many

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 3>and they just recently celebrated four years. So that's it's

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.440
<v Speaker 3>been four years since COVID because that's when it started

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:33.600
<v Speaker 3>during COVID, and that's when I was first on the episode.

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that he has helped to dispel the.

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Myth that ain't no black men teaching, no well.

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<v Speaker 4>Also the COVID thing. But you know, I think it's

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 4>important to mention again. And I didn't want to cut

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 4>him off, but that a lot of people didn't die

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 4>because they had COVID. They died because America and our

0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 4>systems are incompetent.

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Someone said to me the other day, let us.

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<v Speaker 4>Have aspirational language versus having using language that is always

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<v Speaker 4>so so much of an indictment. So, yes, there are

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<v Speaker 4>many things that are done properly within the healthcare system.

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<v Speaker 4>People's lives have been saved. Healthcare workers are doing an

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<v Speaker 4>incredible job with a little bit they have.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say the system, I am not.

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<v Speaker 4>Talking about nurse and even doctor so and so, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>saying that America, fundamentally the systems the way it is designed.

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<v Speaker 4>There is so much racism. There is so much just

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<v Speaker 4>inequity that exists that even if you are nurse or

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<v Speaker 4>a doctor that is attempting to do the right thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't always have the tools that you need, or

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<v Speaker 4>the support that you need, the resources that you need,

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<v Speaker 4>and the research that you need to work, especially in

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<v Speaker 4>certain communities. And so hopefully what we learn earned from

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<v Speaker 4>a pandemic. And by the way, everybody's oh, you know Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>it was better because we got a check with his

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<v Speaker 4>signature on it. Well, guess what other checks he cashed

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<v Speaker 4>While he was or sent out to people while he

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<v Speaker 4>was in office. He sent the check out of delaying

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<v Speaker 4>the process for people to even get the healthcare support

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<v Speaker 4>that they needed.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were people who he wouldn't send masks.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, the Republican Party voted against even

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<v Speaker 4>giving people checks. As much as I can challenge Nancy

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<v Speaker 4>Pelosi and all of these folks, I will tell you

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<v Speaker 4>that they were the ones that fought to get checks

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<v Speaker 4>into the pockets the bank account true and the pockets

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<v Speaker 4>of American citizens. And that was because Donald Trump was

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<v Speaker 4>either ignoring the crisis and his administration and or they

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<v Speaker 4>were trying to cover it up because they did not

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<v Speaker 4>want during a political season for his legacy to be

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<v Speaker 4>impacted by COVID. And so it's so much that can

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<v Speaker 4>be said about that. But I guess we got to

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<v Speaker 4>close the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave you the PPP, but not.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the pop. That's dope. That was a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>But that brings me to my I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>What don't you get mister Lennon?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what is the infatuation that the

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<v Speaker 2>world has with who someone's fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you care about who somebody else is having

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<v Speaker 3>sex with What is the infatuation with other people in

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<v Speaker 3>their sex life? That this world like everywhere you go,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's telling you, oh, such and such as having sex,

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<v Speaker 3>and this person's like, why do people kids so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Most people who are highly successful and busy or trying

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<v Speaker 4>to be successful don't. They might hear about it in

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<v Speaker 4>passing and laugh about it and maybe share mean with

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<v Speaker 4>a friend, but they don't. They don't really care that much.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just certain types of people that are so

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<v Speaker 4>into other people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't really know because it isn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Really the way that I see it in life is

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<v Speaker 4>that everybody, unless you are abstinent, is sleeping with somebody

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully are engaged in consensual behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's please God, please. But I don't know why people

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<v Speaker 1>care so much. I don't know why people care so

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<v Speaker 1>much about who's gay.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the most it's just so I don't I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't at first of all, I don't believe in outing

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<v Speaker 4>people or trying to force people to say who they

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<v Speaker 4>sleep with.

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<v Speaker 1>I would. I would like to know that if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in.

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<v Speaker 4>A relationship with me, you know, or with a person,

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<v Speaker 4>that you do your due diligence to let them know

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<v Speaker 4>about your lifestyle choices. But I don't know why it's

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<v Speaker 4>such a big deal. So and so it's gay and

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<v Speaker 4>such and such, like why why do you want to

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<v Speaker 4>out people in that I never I'm never understood that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think in that term, it's that people

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<v Speaker 2>not being honest. Well, nobody else but you.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is, if you, if you're around, even if you,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not in a sexual relationship with somebody, and

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<v Speaker 3>you in somebody's face commonly, and that's something that people

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<v Speaker 3>should want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it is.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with that. If first of all it

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<v Speaker 4>is it is sexist. Let me tell you why it's sexist.

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<v Speaker 4>And in this case, I'm gonna say it's sexist for

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<v Speaker 4>men against men, because most men do not care who

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<v Speaker 4>a woman sleeps with. In a group of friends, a

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<v Speaker 4>group of friends, I'm hanging out with you, Janis Anastasia,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll crewe everybody, and I sleep with women as a woman,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm telling you that nobody is going to.

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<v Speaker 2>I would feel weird, like why would you worry about why?

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<v Speaker 4>So now let me turn the eye, don't get it

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<v Speaker 4>back on you. Why are you infatuated with who I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not with. That's my business.

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<v Speaker 1>Its like Tabitha Brown said, that's my business.

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<v Speaker 2>If we close proximity, we call ourselves friends. So I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta tell you what if you got to tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just thinking if you didn't tell me, then

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<v Speaker 2>that would make me wonder why.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe because I'm a private person and I just don't

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<v Speaker 4>want anybody to know what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But at that point, then, is the only time that

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<v Speaker 2>I friendship.

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<v Speaker 4>The only No, it's not, because friendship doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 4>you have to know every single thing about me. The

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<v Speaker 4>only time that I need to tell you that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sleeping with anybody or whatever, whatever my situation, My preferences

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<v Speaker 4>are my whatever it is is if now I'm about

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<v Speaker 4>to sleep with you, but if long as you and

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<v Speaker 4>I are not together, who I'm sleeping with should not

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<v Speaker 4>be your concern.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it shouldn't. I hate what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think, and I think it's sexist towards men

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<v Speaker 4>because what usually what generally happens is that men who

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<v Speaker 4>are around other men feel that they should know that

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<v Speaker 4>one of the guys is gay.

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<v Speaker 3>Because what happens is it's also because it's also perception

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<v Speaker 3>right right, because if I'm hanging with somebody that's gay

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody else knows they're gay except me, then what

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<v Speaker 3>happens is there can be some people can draw a

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<v Speaker 3>conclusion about something that might not be there.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, but what if the person doesn't talk to people

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<v Speaker 4>period about what they do. They do their thing with

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<v Speaker 4>whoever they people are, but they're not a person like

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<v Speaker 4>most people around.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying people should until a person is actually sexual

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<v Speaker 4>or in an intimate relationship with you, they should be

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<v Speaker 4>able to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's different from Yeah, I know it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's different for men. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it's sexist. I just think there's a reality that's based

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<v Speaker 3>on society, that reality that.

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<v Speaker 2>We deal with right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Answering your own question, well, the question you have asked

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<v Speaker 4>and answer the question that society places different values.

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<v Speaker 3>But on we are somebody else on the internet or celebrito,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a different thing than somebody said it's that's inclosed

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<v Speaker 3>to It's.

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<v Speaker 4>The same mindset that people have decided that they have

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<v Speaker 4>a right to know about someone's personal thing that they

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<v Speaker 4>might want to keep to themselves. Right that they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>want to the only time you should want to know

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<v Speaker 4>about somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you it's different from it's different from men.

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<v Speaker 3>If the reality that we live with in America is

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<v Speaker 3>if a straight man hangs up with a gay man

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<v Speaker 3>on a daily basis, nobody believes that they're not there's

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<v Speaker 3>not something going on. That's just the reality. Unfortunately, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just the fact. If you see a straight man hang

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<v Speaker 3>out with a gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, we don't use the term straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, if you see a heterosexual man hang out with

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<v Speaker 3>a gay man, then there's an assumption that there's some

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<v Speaker 3>level of a relationship there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the reality that we deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>So under standing in that reality, I think a man

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<v Speaker 3>who understands that he's gay and likes man should give

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<v Speaker 3>you the opportunity or.

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<v Speaker 2>To know that.

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<v Speaker 4>I just all I would say to the is sexist brothers.

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<v Speaker 4>Fight for yourselves. Don't let these people make y'all feel

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<v Speaker 4>like y'all got to tell people stuff. But don't be

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<v Speaker 4>out here having sex with people and not telling people.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you are and.

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<v Speaker 4>What you are, what your preferences are, because that ship

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<v Speaker 4>is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's it. So you answered your own question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I answered. I answered another question. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't my own question. No you did.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why people are infatuated, because people place value on

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<v Speaker 4>certain things. They want to know who you sleep with,

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<v Speaker 4>They want to know how much money you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if you say so. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing.

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