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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hunt's let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. Giants give me some jokes. Part of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelt, joined by front of the program.

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Speaker 2: Joins us every year around this time, the one and

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Speaker 2: only Charles Davis.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He of course does games for CBS. He does the

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Speaker 2: draft work for NFL Network. NFL Network has their covers

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Speaker 2: of the draft of course next Thursday, Friday and Saturday

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Speaker 2: from Detroit.

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Speaker 1: Charles will be a big part of that.

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Speaker 2: Charles rocking your New York New Pault sweatshirt from your

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Speaker 2: high school days.

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Speaker 1: Good to see him, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Always great to see you. Tough season last year for

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Speaker 3: the Huguenots, coming off of a great season the year before.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can get back on the upper trajectory. But

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Speaker 3: you know something, as we say in New Fault, we're

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Speaker 3: not Highland. Yeah, by the way, just for everyone, that's

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Speaker 3: our that When I was in school, that was our

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Speaker 3: big rival, one town on over. So anytime you had

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Speaker 3: that one, you know that that's your blood. Feud. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's your Alabama, Auburn, your you know, your Tennessee Alabama.

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Speaker 1: That's your springfield in Shelbyville, if you will.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Giants, Eagles wherever it is. That's your big rival.

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Speaker 3: That was ours, although on the football field during our time,

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Speaker 3: not much of one anyway, Moving right along, all right now?

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Speaker 1: Good sadly, Charles.

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Speaker 2: The Giants have a very good year last year either,

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Speaker 2: and they're trying to figure out how to move on

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Speaker 2: and rebound from that. So before we get into draft prospects,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the Giants themselves here and your view.

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Speaker 2: They like Daniel Jones enough to give him a big

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Speaker 2: contract two off seas or last offseason. Right, But last

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Speaker 2: year didn't go well. But it was a really small

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Speaker 2: sample size, right. You only played in six games. One

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Speaker 2: was really good against Arizona. You played in halves of

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Speaker 2: two others. So it was basically like four games that

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Speaker 2: frankly were bad, but you played against really good opponents. Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: forty nine, Ers, Dolphins, go down the list. And he

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Speaker 2: didn't have his left tackle for pretty much all those games.

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Speaker 2: He didn't have sa Gone Barkley for three of those games.

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Speaker 2: But the Giants aren't a position here to perhaps draft

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Speaker 1: Think is special at the position.

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Speaker 2: So if you were in the Giants' decision making chair here,

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Speaker 2: how would you approach this in regards to whether or

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Speaker 2: not you're gonna either pick a quarterback at six or

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Speaker 2: even maybe move up for one, depending on what the

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Speaker 3: That's such a great question, John, it really is, because

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Speaker 3: to me, it's the one that you know when you

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Speaker 3: start to take a look at Joe Shane general manager,

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Speaker 3: Brian Dabole, head coach, all the scouting department, right everyone

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Speaker 3: under Joe Shane, the coaching staff, especially those on the

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Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball, who have the most decision

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Speaker 3: making to do, meeting with Brian Dabole and trying to

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Speaker 3: come to a consensus on what is going on. But

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Speaker 3: the one piece that I didn't throw in there is

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Speaker 3: running that up the food Chaine to mister Merrick, because

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Speaker 3: at a certain point you've got to know, with his blessing,

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Speaker 3: what your direction is. Okay, listen, guys, if you drafted

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Speaker 3: order back right there at six, or even move up.

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Speaker 3: But let's say we decide there's a guy we want,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna make that move. We're gonna go get him.

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Speaker 3: Mister Marra's got to articulate what his vision is of

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Speaker 3: do that, I believe that means that's extra time for

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Speaker 3: what this program needs in order to get going. Because,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest about it, the CJ. Stroud effect of

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Speaker 3: last year with Houston, that's few and far far between,

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Speaker 3: right John, You and I have been around the block

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Speaker 3: once or twice, Okay, not as many times as others,

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Speaker 2: Generally rookie quarterbacks don't go to the playoffs charts, they're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to the Pro Bowl, they're not doing like

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying no one in between. I'm just

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Speaker 3: well you put a rookie quarterback in you guys are golden.

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Speaker 3: Marra's got to be able to articulate about how he

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Speaker 3: But I think you've got to lay out what your

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Speaker 3: You better get some players and win me some ball

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Speaker 3: games this year. That would be a really good idea. Now,

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Speaker 3: if it goes to that, then you're rolling with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to supplement and fortify around him. And the

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Speaker 3: one thing we do know, John, in this league, you

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Speaker 3: can get right a lot quicker than what people think.

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Speaker 3: We see it all the time. People put some things together,

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Speaker 3: get on a run, boom, you're off and going. Look

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Speaker 3: two years ago the Giants that roster should never have

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Speaker 3: been in the playoffs. I'm sorry, it just never should

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Speaker 2: Exactly and John Mara has said he would if they

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Speaker 2: want to get a quarterback, he'd be fine with that.

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Speaker 2: He'll obviously, and this is how he operates, Right, He's

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Speaker 2: gonna let the general manager and the head coach make

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Speaker 2: guess the way I've been putting at Charles is your

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Speaker 2: decision as to whether or not you draft a quarterback

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Speaker 2: almost has nothing to do with your evaluation of Daniel Jones, right,

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Speaker 2: because you made that decision two years ago. You have

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Speaker 2: the injury factor, which is why we're having this conversation

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Speaker 2: at all. Right, And if you think one of these

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert, and again

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Speaker 2: not right away. At some point they have the tools

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Speaker 2: to develop into that guy that can compete with those

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Speaker 2: superhuman type of quarterbacks, then that's something any team in

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Speaker 2: So, I guess my question for you is of this

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the one that the league feels and

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Speaker 3: That's Caleb Williams. Now we're getting into the rest of it.

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Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels, who had an extraordinary season at LSU. Once again,

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Speaker 3: he's one of those. And you and I have talked

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Speaker 3: about this for how many years now? Who are these quarterbacks?

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Speaker 3: They just rose there last year and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: it's not just a late rise. It was three years

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Speaker 3: I thought he was developing all along. That part was cool.

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Speaker 3: Drake Mays a redshirt sophomore, So we only got two

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Speaker 3: years on tape, but boy does he look good when

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Speaker 3: you see you know, as my colleague Bucky Brooks has

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Speaker 3: flashes of Drake mayor really good. Okay, good, I love

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Speaker 3: that Right now. The JJ McCarthy thing kicks it at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Did we see enough of the flashes? Did we see

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Speaker 3: enough of the things we want to see? Well, guess

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Speaker 3: what I think we did. It was all on tape.

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Speaker 3: type of a player, I don't think so, meaning they

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Speaker 3: But the same questions we asked of CJ. Stroud last year,

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Speaker 3: it was all there on tape, you just had to

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Speaker 3: with McCarthy this year. So all that being said, John,

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Speaker 3: back to your original question. All of them I think

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Speaker 3: can be a quarterback for you to carry into the future.

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Speaker 3: All of them can be your franchise guy, but you

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Speaker 3: can have to go about it a little bit differently

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Speaker 3: with each and every one of them. Because you mentioned Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: Are we ready to put brock Purty there because the

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Speaker 3: But are we still thinking to ourselves and is anyone

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Speaker 3: out there still saying, well, you know something, eliminade, Now

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Speaker 3: put Purty up there. I think he's a terrific quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm saying head to head with Burrow, Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: that guy. Everything around him is pretty darn good, and

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Speaker 3: he maximizes that. Is that who JJ McCarthy is, Is

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Speaker 3: that who Drake may is? Is that who Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 3: That's what the scouts have to determine. That's where it

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Speaker 3: all comes down because with Daniel Jones, you keep mentioning

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Speaker 3: that John, and I'm with you, it hasn't been a

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Speaker 3: true fair sample for him because who has he thrown

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Speaker 3: to in his time with the Giants, let alone who

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Speaker 3: protected him in his time with the Giants. That's made

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Speaker 3: it very, very difficult. I'd love to see him have

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Speaker 3: a full sample with a roster that you go that's

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Speaker 3: a pretty good roster. Let's see what happens with Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: Now and then at six if you decide not to

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Speaker 2: go quarterbacks, so let's move on to the next part

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Speaker 2: of this then right, and then we'll talk about maybe

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Speaker 2: if you want to attack that on day two we

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Speaker 2: can have that discussion. You talk about who the guys

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Speaker 2: he's throwing to, Right, He's got a bunch of guys

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Speaker 2: in the way I'm looking at this, Charles, you have

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Speaker 2: Darius Slayton, Jalen Hyde, and Wando Robinson. On the surface,

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Speaker 2: if you put those three guys around a true number one,

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Speaker 2: then you're like, oh, well, Jalen Hyatt is like a

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Speaker 2: him as your primary. Wando Robins is a slot guy

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Speaker 2: that you can't focus on because you have a true

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Speaker 2: better to me, So you have a chance to get

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Speaker 2: one of the street wide receivers. To me, that's a

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Speaker 2: the end, the entire offense.

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Speaker 3: And I think what you're saying and tell me if

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong, because I want to make sure I'm getting

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Speaker 3: Duneesa is for me. But there's so many other receivers

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Speaker 2: But by the way, I think the Chargers are the

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Speaker 1: Crazy honestly, Charles, to me, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I look and I like, I did not think I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I see the you know, third

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Speaker 2: To your point, though, I don't see as many flashes

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Speaker 3: I just saw Creed two or three or whatever where

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Speaker 3: That's what Michigan did last year, which is one of

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Speaker 2: Pennock's for you, Charles. We know about the health issues

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Speaker 3: Spotless medical record. We're in there with the fistfight about

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Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna rise up in the big moments

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Speaker 3: very well go. Okay, we see it all the time, right,

432
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Speaker 3: Christian Ponder got pushed up to twelve. DJ Manual Win

433
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Speaker 3: a sixteen. We can do this all day long. But

434
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Speaker 3: there's a big thought in me that says, if it

435
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Speaker 3: goes the way it's supposed to go, he goes in

436
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Speaker 3: the second round with Bonnicks.

437
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: Fair enough, I've had trouble trolls parsing the running back

438
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Speaker 2: position in this draft class. I have like six or

439
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Speaker 2: seven guys with very similar grades as you know, early

440
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Speaker 2: third round.

441
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Speaker 1: Type of picks.

442
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Speaker 2: Who are the guys you like? Who are your favorites

443
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 2: that that did? You just watch and you go, you

444
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: know what? I feel like, this guy is gonna be

445
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Speaker 2: a good NFL player.

446
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you two have a lot of tread

447
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 3: on the tire, but one's coming off of an injury.

448
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: And that's what the issue is. Is Jonathan Brooks at Texas

449
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: because he had eight career starts in all eight came

450
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: last year before he got hurt because he was behind

451
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 3: Bjehon Robinson, Rosehawn Johnson, all those guys. But when he

452
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 3: got his opportunity, he was, he was. He was special

453
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: out there, Okay, down the stretch. I think he had

454
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Speaker 3: five one hundred yard games in a two hundred yard game,

455
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 3: six games out of eight. Never pretty good, right, gets hurt,

456
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: nice come off the acl. We know that that's going

457
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 3: to set him back, probably not going to go as

458
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: high in the draft as he should. But I really

459
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Speaker 3: like him. The other is Jalen Warren, who didn't touch

460
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Speaker 3: it that much at Tennessee. All right, he's not a

461
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Speaker 3: bell cow back.

462
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Speaker 1: Jalen right, Jalen right right.

463
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Speaker 3: Excuse me, Jalen right, Thank you very much. My fault.

464
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: The Pittsburgh guy, Jalen.

465
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Speaker 2: Warrens the Pittsburgh running back, trust me. I get these

466
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: names flopped all the time, too, man, don't worry.

467
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Speaker 3: Apologies, especially my apologies, my fellow volunteer. But his yards

468
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: per carry last year was like seven, all right. When

469
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: he touched the ball, he moved it and got it done,

470
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: and he didn't have a ton of carries. So I

471
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: kind of like that about him.

472
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 2: I feel like he has some like Devon a chain

473
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: in him, a little bit that that type of player.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now a chain of course when he just hits,

475
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: When he hits go, that's frightening, right. More Wright has

476
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: a little bit of that in him as he goes.

477
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite as sudden as a chance.

478
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: That's a whole different, whole, different category. But I like

479
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: where the comparison is on that. So those are my

480
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: top two in terms of the reasons why I like him.

481
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: Trey Benson's another one. Injury at Oregon. Not many carries

482
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Speaker 3: goes to Florida State. I asked him how he got

483
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Speaker 3: to Florida State. He said, Mike Norvel recruited him part

484
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 3: when he was head coach at Memphis State, and there

485
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: was a trust factor. I liked what I liked before.

486
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Speaker 3: Come on down here, you'll have an opportunity. Boy, did

487
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Speaker 3: he take advantage of that opportunity. I really like him

488
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Speaker 3: as a heck of a player. I think once a

489
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Speaker 3: running back run begins, be interesting where it starts, because

490
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Speaker 3: you mentioned third round. Once it starts, I think it's

491
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: gonna go, go, go, go go. But I also have

492
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Speaker 3: that feeling that someone's gonna take the back they like

493
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 3: earlier than that, And I don't think it'll trigger the run.

494
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: It'll just be this team. Like Jamir Gibbs last year.

495
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: Remember when he went at twelve to Detroit. Everybody's like,

496
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Speaker 3: oh my god, Well, if you really like a guy,

497
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: just go get it. Don't worry about the rest of it.

498
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: But those are guys that I like a bunch of.

499
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving's a good back out of Oregon, slight, a

500
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: little more of a slight build, quicker than fast as

501
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Speaker 3: I discovered it to combine because when I watched him

502
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Speaker 3: run John I thought he was like a four to

503
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: four guy. He ran like four or five six at

504
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: the combine. But the quickness and the change of direction,

505
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: it's all there. Those are some of the guys that

506
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: I would throw out there. Please throw me some more names,

507
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: because you know there's a whole bunch of these running backs.

508
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 2: No, there are.

509
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: Look. I like Dree Davis at a out of a Kentucky.

510
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy that you know, nothing jumps

511
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: out where it's like, oh wow, that shot, But he

512
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: just does everything he does.

513
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: And he's also you're gonna hear this at If you

514
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: haven't heard of ad nauseum already, you're written close to

515
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: ad nauseum. Thousand yards of three different schools. Correct, but

516
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: let's make sure we get it. Let's make sure we

517
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: get it right. It's a thousand career yards at three

518
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: different schools because he didn't get a thousand yards in

519
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: the season at Temple, but he had two seasons there,

520
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: so he went over a thousand yards, thousand yard season

521
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Speaker 3: at Vanderbilt, thousand yard season at Kentucky last year. And

522
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: you know there were some Benny Snell traits there, weren't there.

523
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: I remember what they called it at Kentucky when Benny

524
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: Snell was there. They called it Benny Snell football because

525
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: the stretch they would just grind you and run it.

526
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: Plug into Florida tape last year Kentucky, Florida. That was

527
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Speaker 3: Ray Davis football with Will over two hundred yards in

528
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Speaker 3: that one.

529
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Speaker 1: The other guy. I really liked that.

530
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Speaker 2: I think because he hasn't participated in much Charles in

531
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Speaker 2: the post draft process because injury. I think Will Shipley

532
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Speaker 2: out of Clemson's an awesome running back. He can catch it,

533
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Speaker 2: he can I know he's not the biggest guy in

534
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Speaker 2: the world. So maybe he's not an eighteen carrier game

535
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: type of guy, but he's elusive, he can catch it,

536
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: he's quick. I think he's you know, more than fast

537
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Speaker 2: enough to pull away. I think Shipley a guy just

538
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Speaker 2: because again he's been hurt, is a guy that a

539
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: lot of people haven't talked enough about.

540
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: Agreed and his style of play. Run between the tackles,

541
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Speaker 3: run to the perimeter, catch it out in the backfield,

542
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: stand in the pocket, and protect your quarterback. It translates

543
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: to me to be a good player in the NFL.

544
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: Remember how I was telling you about the guys I

545
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: like because there wasn't much tread on the tire. There's

546
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: a lot of tread off the tire with will because

547
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 3: he had a lot of use at Clemson. Okay, so

548
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: that's gonna be something people are going to be evaluating

549
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: and going because you know, one of the reasons Derrick

550
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: Henry went in the second round at Alabama was people

551
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: were wondering if he could get that four you know,

552
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: that big body going fast enough in the NFL to

553
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: have an effect, And as we learned, yes, yes he could.

554
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 3: But he didn't have full time running back use at

555
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: Alabama till his last year. That's when he got all

556
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Speaker 3: his carries. That's when he got in the two thousand yard.

557
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: That's what it all have. Prior to that, he was

558
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: always with a two or three person rotation system. Will

559
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: Shipley hasn't had as much of that at Clemson. When

560
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: he's on the field, he's on the field. And again

561
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: he's on the field a lot. Like Christian McCaffrey San Francisco.

562
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Speaker 2: Day two guys up front on the The Giants always

579
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Speaker 2: trying to show this up to make the big Brian

580
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Speaker 2: Burns move last year, but they lose Leonard Williams. Right,

581
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Speaker 2: everyone thought this would be a great top of the

582
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Speaker 2: draft class at defensive tackle.

583
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's turned out that way.

584
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll get two first round defensive tackles, but

585
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: I do think there are a lot of choices on

586
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Speaker 2: Day two that can play that three technique position next

587
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Speaker 2: to Dexter Lawrence. That's what the Giants are trying to

588
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: kind of fill here. Who are some of the guys

589
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Speaker 2: you like that play that spot on day two?

590
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you asked, because I'm gonna go to

591
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: my notes on this one.

592
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: No, note it up, let's do it right.

593
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go to my notes because this is

594
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: an open book test. I'm glad you did that for me, professor.

595
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: But you mentioned the two first round guys you got

596
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: you talk about Byron Murphy at Texas and Big Johnny

597
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: Johnny law Johnny Newton at Illinois, Jershon Newton goes by Johnny.

598
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: After that, we're starting to get into a whole bunch

599
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: of guys. Chris Jenkins out of Michigan. Although he's not

600
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: built nearly as big as his father, he's still more

601
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: than big enough and did a nice job for the

602
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: National champions Inside. Devonre Sweat is your plus plus plus

603
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: size defensive tackle.

604
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Plus we plus plus plus plus plus plus right got.

605
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Speaker 3: On the scale of three sixty six and went went

606
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: thundering down on the forty, but also shows some movement

607
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: skills in there. You know you're not gonna run it

608
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: past him on the point of attack if you're looking

609
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: for a run stuff for McKinley Jackson at Texas A

610
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: and M is kind of to and Andre Sweat light

611
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: if you're gonna call three hundred plus pounder light, okay, right, souf,

612
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: I'm being being kind of funny with the words there.

613
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a guy that I really like

614
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: is Braden Fist. I love him out of Florida State,

615
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be very interesting at the bottom of

616
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: the first, top of the second, who values what he

617
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: brings to the table. Because we watched him all week

618
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: at the Combine and he did all the same things

619
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: when he went back and watched on tape. The number

620
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: of times that you see Braiden fist rush a passer

621
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Speaker 3: and then turn and peel and go get involved with

622
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 3: the tackle after a pass downfield or a quarterback run

623
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: or whatever it's it's it's unbelievable watching what he does.

624
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: We call it retracing for defensive linemen. He retraced is

625
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: better than anyone else in this draft. But the extra

626
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: hustle and effort to be involved helps him make a

627
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: lot of plays. And Mason Smith and it's m Aa

628
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: s O n from LSU God making a move in

629
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Speaker 3: this draft process as Pete with someone that we like

630
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more. So we're starting to get into

631
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys like that. But I'm gonna

632
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: give you one that thinks a third rounder that I'm

633
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: really really crazy about, and that's rouke O roural Row

634
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: out of Clemson. Because when you pop into tape, you're

635
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: there to watch Tyler Davis, his teammate who went to

636
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: the senior ball and he's a good player. But number

637
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: thirty three just keeps flashing for you keep showing up

638
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: guy right in there. And by the way, he's only

639
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: going to get better when a defensive line coach gets

640
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: a hold of him and add to his pass rushing.

641
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: But he hasn't played He hasn't played football very long, right, No, not.

642
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: Very long at all. But I'm just telling you, I

643
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: think once you start getting into the third round or so,

644
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Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that I would keep my

645
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: eye on in a big way.

646
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Speaker 2: Now I'm with the one hundred percent Triles and I

647
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Speaker 2: know dB play is near and dear to your heart.

648
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: The Giants right now now, I don't know who their

649
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: second to third cornerbacks are. I guess right now it's

650
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: Cordeo Flad and Nick McCloud. I think you can look

651
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 2: to add to that room next to Deontay Banks. And

652
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: they didn't really add a safety other than Jalen Mills

653
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: to you know, buttress what they have next to Jason

654
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Pinnock with David McKinney Leavin. So you're gonna go through

655
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: those two spots again. Reference your notes. You got corner

656
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: and safety day two and day three, because look, John's

657
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: only two Day two picks and if Lord knows if

658
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: they're trading up.

659
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: They're not might not have any Day two picks depending on.

660
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: How this goes, right, So just give me some Day

661
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: two and three dbs that really have caught your eye

662
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: during this process.

663
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: I'll start with the safeties, John, because we're hearing a

664
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: lot of chatter that linebacker and safety are not first

665
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: round positions. Now, somebody's gonna fool us, right There's always

666
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: somebody who likes someone better than what we know, and

667
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: they take them and off we go. But right now

668
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: those don't seem to be spots of priority for anyone

669
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: in the league. My favorite safeties, Cold Bishop from Utah,

670
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: love them crazy about, absolutely crazy about. Can he play

671
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: the high safety, Yes he can, and if so, he'll

672
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: clean up anything that comes through to a spot. But

673
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: he really does his best work down low right. He

674
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: gets down into the box area, makes a lot of

675
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: plays on the ball, knocks the ball free from people,

676
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: and by the way, I think he got everyone's attention.

677
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: We're in four, four or five at the combine. I'm

678
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: not sure how many people saw that part coming. Guess

679
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: what add that to the bicks and off you go.

680
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: Tyler Nuben out of Minnesota I say this every year.

681
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: Whatever they're doing up their PJ. Flack on the defensive

682
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: side of the ball coaching the secondary, I want a

683
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: piece of it because the instincts of their defensive backs

684
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 3: that come out and how they make plays on the

685
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: ball is consistent. When we talk about a Minnesota defensive

686
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: back and this year is Tyler Nuban the safety. Another

687
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: one who's similar to Antoine Winfield ball magnets as we

688
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: like to call them, right he shows up around the football,

689
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: makes plays on it, gets into the passing lanes, tackles well.

690
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: He would be a guy that I think that you

691
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: got to take a good hard look at if you

692
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: want us pure strong safety who plays like a buzz

693
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: sauce Jayden Hicks at Washington State, this guy is just

694
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: zoom zoom, zoom, zoom zoom. You want a guy down

695
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: the road that I fall in love with is Malik

696
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: Mustafa at wake Forest because this guy just shows up man,

697
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: He brings a boom with him, makes plays on the ball.

698
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: People may not have him as high as the other ones,

699
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: but as you talked about, with only a couple second

700
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: round picks, can you get deeper into the draft and

701
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: find a guy who can play. I think Mustapha is

702
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: one of those guys. Now, if we're getting into the corners,

703
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: oh boy, you and I both know there's gonna be

704
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: a run on corners. Okay's gonna be a run in

705
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: the first round, and we're gonna see it all happen.

706
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: But now we got to get into pass that. Who

707
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: are the guys you like? Kamari Lassiter at Georgia who's

708
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: a borderline first round guy who I think is gonna

709
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: get pushed to the second And he's a quiet kid,

710
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: but boy knows his stuff, and he's coming out of

711
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: Georgia and has been well taught and well coached. And

712
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: it's Regstraw, another guy borderline first round. He was in

713
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: my last mock draft to go to Baltimore because of

714
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: the way he plays the game with an intensity to him,

715
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: even though his build is slight. He played like a raven,

716
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: as I like to say in my second mock draft.

717
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: But again, he's a guy who's borderline who might get

718
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: me a push to the second round and go play.

719
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: And then right on down the line, you've got a

720
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: ton of guys. Chris Abrams drained from Missouri, who's much

721
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: more of a slot from me, TJ. Tampa from Iowa State,

722
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: Josh Newton from TCU. You know, Shabs Smith Wade from

723
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: Washington State is gonna be much more of a middle

724
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: round guy. But what's happening, John, is with all the

725
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: increase in wide receiver play, you've got to have a counterbalance.

726
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: So we've got to get more corners out there. And

727
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: I've said it for three four years now, if you're

728
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: the third fourth wide receiver on your team, see if

729
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: you can backpedal, because you might end up being the

730
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: first or second corner on your team with that athletic ability,

731
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: and off you go from there. So it's gonna be

732
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: fun to watch as it all goes, but there'll be

733
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: no shortage of corners that you'll want to take a

734
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: look at. In this draft. Safety is not quite as deep,

735
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: and that's gonna be the interesting part as Joe, Shane

736
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: and Crewe go through it about trying to replace the

737
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: Xavier McKinney. Look good. Julian Love is now in Seattle

738
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: for the second year. You know, those kind of guys

739
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: who gave you such good playback there, you gotta want

740
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: to get them because how many times do you turn

741
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: on a ball game and you do it, John, and

742
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: you talk about that third safety playing as much as

743
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: a nickel corner in these days.

744
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got like Javon Bullard fits that right,

745
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: who's kind of like part nickel corner, part safety.

746
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: He would be that perfect guy for that spot.

747
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: He would him and Tyke Smith from Georgia as a

748
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: collaborative crew. Bullard played more of the high safety, although

749
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: he could drop down in there. Tykee Smith played more

750
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: of the underneath, that kind of what people call a

751
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: star position or whatever each team calls it. But it

752
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: was funny because when we were at the combine, both

753
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: wanted to do the opposite. The NFL I can do

754
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: these things and by the way, they can.

755
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Damn. Bullard's forty times at the combines certainly helped him.

756
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: He he broke that four.

757
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: Five, got our attention with it, no doubt.

758
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So last question before I get your

759
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: prediction at six charls, which I'm gonna hold and you

760
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: better be right otherwise I'm never gonna do this to there.

761
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: I know, I know this would be the last time

762
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: you speak to me.

763
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: If the Giants go don't go wide receiver at six?

764
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Maybe they go offensive line, maybe they go quarterback.

765
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Whatever.

766
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: The good news in reference to your last answer, is

767
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: that there are approximately a billion wide receivers in this

768
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: draft that you can draft, and they're gonna be good players. Now,

769
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: they might not be number ones, but they can be

770
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: a guy that can certainly help your room.

771
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: So if this could be at any point in the draft.

772
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: Who are your two or three favorite non top three

773
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: wide receivers or even non first round wide receivers that

774
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: you think people are sleeping on, And I really have

775
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: a chance to outplay where they're gonna get drafted.

776
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, I knew you were gonna ask that, and

777
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: I should have prepared even better. But it doesn't take

778
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: me long to get there.

779
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: Okay, you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready, let's do it.

780
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: Xavier Legett from South Carolina, big strong, physical kid. I

781
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: really like him. And when he ran you know, four

782
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: to four a little bit sub for four, Well he

783
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 3: opened up my eyes on that one. Okay. Jamari Thrash

784
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: from Louis.

785
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: I like that he can get.

786
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: Up and go now all right, And I just think

787
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: that he just shows up, plays, makes plays, and continues

788
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: to make plays. If you want to get a slot

789
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: that I just crazy about. Ricky Piersoll from Florida gonna

790
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: play hard in Arizona State to Florida transfer. Yeah, we're

791
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: gonna see the spectacular catch over and over and over.

792
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 3: How about the routine catches they just made? The catch,

793
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: got up, feel picked up the first down. Has some

794
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: toughness to him to be able to go inside and

795
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: make plays. It's too easy, But you gotta say, Luke

796
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: McCaffrey from Rice, all right, just continues to just show

797
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: up and keep thinking to yourself, Okay, I know his bloodlines.

798
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Am I elevating him too high? No? I don't think so.

799
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a good receiver for someone. Javon Baker

800
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: UCF and Alabama transfer was in that Alabama receiving room. Tough, tough, tough, tough, tough, Right,

801
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 3: he can get it done and he's a really good player.

802
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: We're starting to get into day three. I think John,

803
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: he can find out play for You can play in

804
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: the slot especially, and if I want to go on

805
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: the outside that I'm gonna take a shot at. I

806
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: really want to take a look at this kid at

807
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: Holy Cross Jalen Cocher, all right, Now he's more sit

808
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: seven for me, but he's a big kid on the outside,

809
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: has made some plays. Holy Cross is a program to

810
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: continue to get better over the last few years. It

811
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: got so good their coach ended up getting another job.

812
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: I think he ended up going down to James Madison

813
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 3: taking over there. So these are the types of players

814
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: that I like catch my eye. I could go on

815
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: and bore you with a whole bunch of them all

816
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: day long, but.

817
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: There's so many, so many there.

818
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm eager to see what people do with Davonte Walker

819
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: at North Carolina because I think he and Keon Coleman

820
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: both were rated higher as we started to process. But

821
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: the sense I'm getting is they're rated lower now, but

822
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: they're still really good football players. And I think key

823
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: On Coleman has a little more bounce to his game

824
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: that maybe he's getting credit for. And Davonte's Walker was

825
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: getting nailed for one, you know, a really bad day,

826
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: a couple of bad days at the Senior Bowl. But boy,

827
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 3: his production when you put on the tape and it's

828
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: time to play, it's pretty darn good.

829
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: And and he didn't drop the ball during the regular season.

830
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: That was one thing that I wanted to see him

831
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: on routes. He actually did that pretty well. At the

832
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl.

833
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: He got old, but he just couldn't catch the damn

834
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: thing for whatever reason.

835
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: And sometimes you know, it's like it's like the old

836
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: you get on the Merry Go Round and you just

837
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: can't get off, And one of those weeks for him,

838
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: he just couldn't get off. But you're exactly right. You

839
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: turn on the tape and that no one ever came

840
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: in their question is And so I rely more on

841
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: the tape for him than I do for the couple

842
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: of days at the Senior Bowl in terms of catching

843
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: the ball.

844
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

845
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Our final question, Charles, when all is said and done,

846
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: and this is gonna air for another four or five days,

847
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: so maybe we'll know more before that, but I'm gonna

848
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: ask anyway, what do you think the Giants end up

849
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: doing at Sex Because I gotta be honest with you,

850
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: I have no clue right now.

851
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us do. And Joe Shane

852
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: and his crew are gonna do another wonderful job and

853
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: putting it all together. I just like that organization and

854
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: what they do. But I just think that if you're

855
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: gonna ride with Daniel Jones. I think you kind of

856
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: are right now. I just don't give the sense that

857
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: they're gonna go all in on the quarterback because I

858
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be a lot of movement that people

859
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: come in ahead of them to try and get those guys.

860
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: So the price is going to be really high if

861
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: they want to move up.

862
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: Ye, it's get really high. And I still think they're

863
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Speaker 3: going to settle and go, well, we'll take the fourth

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Speaker 3: or fifth quarterback. We'll be fine with that and start

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Speaker 3: over that way. It just doesn't feel that way to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the kid out of LSU. I'm

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: going my League Neighbors. I have my League Neighbors coming

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Speaker 3: to New York.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: And Giants had some success with another LSU wide receiver

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Speaker 2: that was pretty explosive about his first contract in terms

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Speaker 2: of his numbers. So hopefully and I think Neighbors it

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00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: fits fits that bill perfectly. Charles, this has been awesome.

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Speaker 2: Promote anything you're up to, anything you're doing.

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Speaker 1: That that that you want to get out there and

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Speaker 1: let the fans know about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing for me to promote. I mean, I'm just

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00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: a guy just trying to hang in there and keep

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00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: up with you, talking ball, trying to keep my notes

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Speaker 3: going as I continue to move through this thing and

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00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: learn some of these kids. It's been fun watching them play,

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00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: putting them on, you know, seeing their tape go out there.

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00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: And all I'm doing is wishing them the best of

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00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: luck going forward, because we'll be you and I'll be

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: talking about them next year on an NFL field, and

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Speaker 3: won't that be fun to watch?

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Speaker 1: We want all these kids to succeed. Charles.

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Speaker 2: We know how much you love this process. We thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining us every year, your pleasure. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. You take care of yourself, John,