1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: So everybody, welcome to a Wednesday edition of Texas All 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Access from the Honday Texans Radio Studio. I'm your host, 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter. I'm glad to be 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: with you on this wonderfully. Well, it's raining where I am, 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: so hopefully it's raining where you are, but then again 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: it's Houston, so you just never know. But glad to 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: be with you. As always. We got a fun show. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna here from Steven Nelson cornerback from the Houston 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Texans here in just a little bit. And we're also 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: gonna go in the lab. Yes, Jude Doherty and myself 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: decided to get back together. It's been a little while 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: because we had our scheduled week of vacation, if you will, 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: with Houston Texans, and we were back and got it done. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: So we'll have in the lab for you in a 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: little bit. And there's been a trade, and yes, it 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: does not include your Houston Texans, so I don't know 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: if that makes it any more any less sexy than 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: something else, but there was a trade and it happened 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: to do with a former number one overall draft pick, 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: a Texan. Technically, he's a Texan because Baker Mayfield is 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: from Texas. We'll talk about that a little bit later 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: in the show, but as I mentioned, we had a 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: chance to catch up with Stephen Nelson. Now, if we 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: were going through this roster and we're gonna point out 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: players that whether it's because of the way they played 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: last year, because where they were drafted, because of they 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: came over, because they're new to the Texans, however you 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: want to slice it. Steven Nelson and I hope he 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: doesn't internalize this, but he carries probably more pressure than 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: a lot of players on the Texans in twenty twenty two. Now, look, 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback always carries pressures to Davids Mills is always 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: going to have that and the pressure of playing well 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: to have the Texans overlooked this crowded and talented twenty 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: twenty three NFL draft class of quarterbacks. So Davis is 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: always going to be carrying that. But Stephen Nelson, I 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: got a feeling, is carrying a lot of pressure. Look, 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: he didn't sign a massive James Bradberry like one year 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: deal or anything like that, but the Texans corners have struggled. 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Let's be brutally honest. The Texans corners have struggled since 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: the days of Kareem Jackson, Johnathan Joseph and going all 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the way back to twenty sixteen when they had Kevin Johnson. 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: They signed Bradley Roby for the twenty nineteen season and 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: he had some moments. They traded for Gary On Connley 44 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and that was a bust after eight games. It was 45 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: just that was it. That's all we got, Garry On Connelly. 46 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: Just Terrence Mitchell last year had some moments. I thought 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: Terrence did some good things out at corner, but not enough. 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Lonnie Johnson was supposed to be that next guy. He 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: wasn't quite frankly, just not a corner. But see what 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: you can do with Kansas City. They've tried a lot 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: of different bodies, body types, player types. Desmond King played 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: inside that he went outside and he actually did some 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: pretty good things and he's back this year. But the 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Texans went out and signed Stephen Nelson after having a 55 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: couple of solid years leaving the Chiefs, going to playing 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles and coming over to the Texans 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: and signed a two year deal. He's got a lot 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: of pressure because teams are going to challenge that side 59 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: of the field. Now they might want to challenge a 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: rookie Derek Stanley. That's a talented dude. So my guess is, well, 61 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: we'll go back the other way. We'll challenge Stephen Nelson. 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Now there's a guy that is going to feel like 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: he's up with the challenge. I got a feeling it's 64 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: gonna be Steven Nelson. The guy has been through it 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: to get to where he is. He is subsisted in 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: this league, battered probably early in his career with Kansas 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, probably not loved, I guess, but then he 68 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: had some time with the Steelers and the Eagles and 69 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: did some good things for those two organizations, and hopefully 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: he can continue that as he comes over to the 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. So let's kick off tonight's show with a 72 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: little Stephen Nelson, one of the spotlight players I will 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: have going into training camp. I know he's carrying a 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. I got a feeling that he is 75 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: going to be able to handle it as he handled 76 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: this interview with me and Mark. Let's go so Lovey 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Smith defense. When you hear those words and you're signing 78 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: with the Texans, what does that mean to you? Man, 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: it means a lot to play for you know, coach 80 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: like that of his caliber that's been around, been doing 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: it for a long time, you know, previous head coach 82 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: great DC in his time, and to circle to wagons 83 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: and come back and be a head coach where the 84 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: Houston Texas. Man, it's it's uh, you know, during come 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: true for me. Granted I live in this area, so 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: it's just awesome. How's it been out there on the 87 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: practice field for you so far? And what can you 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: get accomplished this time of year before the training camp 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: grind gets started. Man, it's it's been good man, meshing 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: well with the guys, m with the coaches, you know, 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: just getting some familiarity going on. Um and then during 92 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: this time, you know, OTA's it's not as much contact 93 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: as you would like, uh, leading up in the training 94 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: camp going into the season. So right now it's just 95 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: all about getting your feet in the ground, you know, 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: getting the looks, getting the playbook playbook down and most 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: importantly just uh, you know, building that chemistry with the 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: guys around you. Steve, We're a lot of fans that 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Texans fans that may not be NFL fans or just hey, 100 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: we're Texans fans. We watch the Texans and may not 101 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: have seen you play. What do you bring in the table? 102 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: What do you think that you would like the fans 103 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: to know about you? Stephen Nelson playing corner, Well, um, 104 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean going back. I mean I've been a starter 105 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: in this league for almost what the past seven years? 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: My year, Um, I played on um, you know, play 107 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: through not a plethrough, but I played on good teams, 108 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: UM playoff teams, AFC championship teams. UM. So I'm coming 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: in and um, you know, just bringing that leadership professionalism 110 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: that I can share a monkst you know, the younger guys, 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm always gonna give him my awe. 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: You said you don't get as much contact as you 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: would like, you know, ta, so you like the contact 114 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: because I got the feeling that, you know, playing your position. 115 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: Some guys like the coverage aspect of it more, but 116 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: you like the hitting aspect of it more or less. 117 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Way that out for us, Well, I was like being 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: meaning like contact, meaning like for the bigger guys, you know, 119 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: they want to get going and okay, you kind of 120 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: gotta you know, uh, put a leash on him a 121 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: little bit and pull them off, you know, keep everybody safe. 122 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: But um, I guess to answer your question, during this time, 123 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't like it as much contact, you know, I 124 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: don't want to get any weird injuries. But during the 125 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: when his goal time, yeah, I will stick my nose 126 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in there for sure. Stephen, As a guy that's been 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: around in the league, you've seen some things. You definitely have. Yeah, 128 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: and then you got some young guys that are coming 129 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: into the NFL for the first time. Not that you 130 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: have a responsibility as a veteran, but what are the 131 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: things that you share with the young guys. What are 132 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: what are the key things you want young guys to 133 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: learn that you had to learn as you were growing 134 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: up in the NFL. Man, I say, you know, just 135 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: don't take anything for granted. Um, Like, like, as you know, 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about you know, a guy that 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: I played in my college. Um, you know, the game 138 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: could be taken away from you, you know, uh in 139 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: one play, you know, so you know when you're out there, 140 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: when you're in the weight room in the film room, 141 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, take it seriously, man, because it's gonna be 142 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: taken away. So you said you live in the area, 143 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: so you moved here permanently? When was that? And just 144 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: described that for us? Yeah, so, um, about an hour away, 145 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I got a farm actually, and I got some lands 146 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, me and my family moved out 147 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: here prior to me even signing here. Um, so it 148 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: just kind of worked out perfectly how things aligned, all right? 149 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: We heard about the farm. Tell us a little bit 150 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: about the farm the listeners who don't know what are 151 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: you growing there? What are you using it for? Yeah? So, um, 152 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: you know it's pretty much like like every day farm 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: like you see, Um we have you know, pasture who 154 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: have a goat sheet, uh, pigs, uh, chickens, um you 155 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: name it, um, peacocks. Oh yeah, and we have you know, 156 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: we have a nice garden, you know, we we you know, 157 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: it's a grocery store there that that's what I call it. 158 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Now you're for Georgia originally but went 159 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: to Oregon State and then obviously it'd been moving around. Yeah. 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: What made what made Houston the place where you wanted 161 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: to reside your family here? Was it you visit here 162 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: and you just fell in love with it? What? Why? 163 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: What made Houston the place? Obviously play for Texans? But 164 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: even before that. What made that's just the place. So 165 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm being into the market and stuff like that. 166 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: I've been around, have real estate or Whatnotum, prior to 167 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: me moving here, I was in Arizona, and um, you know, 168 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: I just always knew that, you know, eventually I wanted 169 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: to have you know, more space, you know to do 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do, you know, the farm and 171 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, um, you know, this was a 172 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: perfect opportunity where the market is at right now. It's 173 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're not gonna break your leg, you know, 174 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: trying to you know, get it, get a piece of property. 175 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: So um, you know it just made sense. Man, And 176 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: like long behold signed with the La Man. No your farm, 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: You're you're getting at a lot of a lot of 178 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: other places. Speak in La Man. I can't help but notice, 179 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: yeah Kobe, Yes, sir, What does Kobe mean to you? Man? Kobe? Kobe? 180 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: You know it just kind of keeps me in that 181 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: place to where you know, um, you know, I have 182 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: to remain in that in that focus, you know at 183 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: all times. You know, I never can relax because he 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: never did. You know, if you go back when Kobe 185 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: was in his prime, you know, he's won championships, uh, 186 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: several accolades. You know, he just never took his foot 187 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: off the pedal. And that's what I uh and that's 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: what I admired about him. Man. So when he passed, 189 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's one of my favorite players in NBA, 190 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I just you know, got a tattoo. Okay, it's a 191 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: time for either or I've got one more for Steven 192 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: Nelson here, because all right, you were at College of 193 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: the Sequoias, right, then Georgia briefly then Oregon State. Correct, Yeah, 194 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: well I committed to Georgia and d committed, so okay, 195 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: I never went, but yes I committed. But you're a businessman, yeah, 196 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: and obviously know a lot about a lot of different things. 197 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: What is your thought on the way Nil is going 198 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: right now for the college athletes? And do you have 199 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: any ideas, solutions, guidelines? What are you thinking here? Do 200 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: we have enough time even for that? I mean, I'll 201 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: just say one thing, man, I think it's awesome, you know, 202 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: for those for those kids, Man, I wish we had opportunity, 203 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, going back and you know, getting some of 204 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: that money, you know kind of you know, being able 205 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: to uh you know, take care of your family whatever. 206 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: But you know, people have different views on it and 207 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: what it's doing for you know, college or whatever, and uh, 208 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: you know, it does make it a little more competitive 209 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: as far as getting players, So you know, I don't 210 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: know along the lines of that, but I do feel 211 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: like as far as for the players, it's is great 212 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of players in the player 213 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: that you were referencing, was James Rogers played the market 214 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: solidated and James, I mean the Rogers brothers are are 215 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: legends at Oregon State. I mean they're they're legends. Yes, 216 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Unfortunately James got hurt. You didn't have a chance to 217 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: go out the NFL. I quiz did and hell would 218 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: have been perfect for him because every you know, pizza joint, 219 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: every restaurant, every you know gas station sold tacos or whatever, 220 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: and Corvallis would have wanted James to speak for that, 221 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: and that would have been That would have been some 222 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: money that you made up for the fact that he 223 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: ended up not going or could not go to the 224 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: NFL because an injury he ended up having. So it 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: would have been perfect. Okay, well, either or I think 226 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: I know the answer to the first one. But the 227 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: greatest Michael or Kobe or Lebron. I'll make it a 228 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: three way. Um, you could put a wild card entry 229 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: in there if you want, or a wild card, all right, 230 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: you gonna go the wild card. I mean, I think 231 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: Steph has to be in a conversation. Okay. I think 232 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, he got a lot of ball left to play, 233 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: and you know he to to kind of, you know, 234 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: get on that level. But he's definitely uh in there 235 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: if we're going wild card. But I'm gonna just have 236 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to say, m J, I don't know, Uh Kobe, Kobe's 237 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: my you know, favorite player, but uh, MJ. You know, 238 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: you gotta gotta go with the go with the goat. Okay, 239 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: either you eat only pineapple pizza or you never have 240 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: pizza again. Um, I think I'm gonna take the pineapple 241 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: people good. If you take the pineapples off, it's still 242 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: gonna taste like pineapple though, because the pineapple juice. Yeah, 243 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: it's okay with it. I'm okay, I like pineapple. Yeah, 244 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: it's we're a combination. Who who created that? But I 245 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Marcus Mariota, who's from Hawaii, 246 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: says it's not a Hawaiian thing. So they just slapped 247 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: it on their shoes, aj Ones or aj Levins. Uh, 248 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: go on business dress shoes, clean Jordan's or leather dress shoes. Um. Uh, 249 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: that's a two way go for me, it's a that's 250 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: a tough one. I like, I like, I like both 251 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: because the clean player Jordan's with a suit can look yeah, yea, yeah. 252 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: It is just the fans on the environment. Okay, environment 253 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: for me, I appreciate that context. Yes, better teammate iron 254 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: Man or Batman. I'm gonna go arm Man. Favorite Houston 255 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: food text Mex or brisket slice barbecue. M See. That's 256 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: a tough one right there. That's choosing between your children. 257 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: But fortunately to choose between that's the last one, by 258 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: the way, So go ahead. That's a tough one. Uh. 259 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: I know, my my, my Houston Aidels would like me 260 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: to go with the brisket. Okay. Alright, Stephen, thanks so 261 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Best of luck. All right, thank 262 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: you guys, appreciate it. Fun getting Stephen Nelson and Oregon 263 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: State beaver. A lot of ties to Oregan State and 264 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: city of Houston, and obviously Stephen lives here now and 265 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: hopefully he is going to rise to the challenge in 266 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and make that corner position alongside Derek 267 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Stingley Desmond King. One are the better ones in the AFC. 268 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: All right, we get back. We're gonna go a little 269 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: in the lab because apparently Drew Doherty didn't like what 270 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Mark and I put together on our villain status. We 271 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: went Peyton Manning, t Y Hilton Gillette Stadium and Robert 272 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: Mathis and Dwight Freeney. Drew thinks somebody else should be 273 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: added to that mix, and honestly I tend to agree 274 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: with Drew on this one. We'll do that next right 275 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: here in Texas All Access Boxess Boxess, let's going on, everybody. 276 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this Wednesday at issue of Texans All 277 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: Access from the Hyunday Texans Radio Studio. I'm John Harris 278 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Football and No Southern Reporter. Glad to be with you, 279 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's time to go in the lab. And on 280 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: today's episode, apparently Drew Dorty has an issue with Mark 281 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: and myself. Now it's not an issue that can't be rectified, 282 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: but this comes out of a segment that Mark and 283 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I did a couple weeks ago talking about the Texans 284 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: all time villains, which we came up with Peyton Manning, 285 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: t Y Hilton, Gillette Stadium, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis 286 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: as one group that left one open for people to 287 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: respond and tell us what they thought. Got a lot 288 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: of confirmation about t Y Hilton. Well, Drew thinks we 289 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: got it wrong and number one. He thinks he should 290 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: be somebody else and not Peyton Manning. I disagree. I disagree. 291 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Here's what Drew had to say. Here's in the lab 292 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: for this. You all had a ranking and you put 293 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning up there first. That was pretty obvious, which 294 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: it is obvious, but I mean he was everybody's foe. 295 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean he was a multi time MVP. But it's 296 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: ocased it on the Texans. He everybody hates Harvard. It's 297 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: okay he patted his stats certainly against the Texans, but 298 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: more of a villain who I think if you were 299 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: to have one of those about Rushmore's of Texans villains, 300 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: I think he's I say this, his face would be 301 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: on it twice. It is t Y Hilton. Okay, Well, 302 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: tys on our list, right, good player, and yeah, y'all 303 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: have him second. And listen to the numbers thirty two 304 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: and nine culture thirty two and nine against the Texans 305 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: all time, including when Hilton were a mask. Mark didn't 306 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: even put the stats in there for t Y Hilton. Well, 307 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: I remember at one point, let's trying to remember which 308 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: which point it was, but at one point he had 309 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: had in fourteen games against the Texans, it was like 310 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: ninety eight receptions for like seventeen hundred yards in fourteen touchdowns. 311 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: There's something sick number like that. I mean, I can 312 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: remember the games more so than anything else. The twenty 313 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: seventeen game, the one right after Deshaun had gotten hurt. 314 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: He went nuts in that game twenty fourteen, he went crazy. 315 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: He just had those games. And the thing is the 316 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: clown Mask game. That's what it's known as the and 317 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that's that's it. In the lab. We need to do 318 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: the Texans games with names. The clown Mask game. He 319 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of production in that game, but 320 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: they hit him earlier. They hit him early, and they 321 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: got him involved immediately, and it was like three catches 322 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: for thirty something yard. It was not much, but he 323 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: had big catches, first down catches, and you just didn't 324 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: want him to go off, especially after wearing a clown 325 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: mask and well and then he did. So t why 326 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: Hilton not being back with the Colts, Like, thank god, 327 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: here's so. Here are the numbers on Tyldon twenty career 328 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: games against the Texans, fourteen and six in those games, 329 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: so he's won eight more times than he's lost. One 330 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: hundred three catches in twenty games for eighteen hundred yards, 331 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: so just under just under ten and one hundred per 332 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't he didn't crack those seventeen point 333 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: seven yards a catch though against the Texans. Eleven touchdowns 334 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: all time in those twenty games. Yeah, I mean, so 335 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: he just roasted and doing the clown mask, that was 336 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: the that was the capper. That's put it over the 337 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: top for me. But I just had a hard time 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: when I brought this up. I can't remember. It happened 339 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: to be. We were trying to figure out what we're 340 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna do for that segment, and I don't know what 341 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: it was that I thought about that, maybe think about 342 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: doing the villain topic, and it's just sort of great idea. 343 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: It hit me. I was like, let's do this, and 344 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: I didn't tell Mark we were gonna do it because 345 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: I always feel like that you get a little bit 346 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: more of a visseal reaction to the names and the 347 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: individuals that that you bring up. And I think you 348 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: automatically go to Peyton just because you beat him twice. 349 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: You beat him in ten, you did beat him in twelve, 350 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: but that was it. You know, he said, the records 351 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: against you in twenty thirteen, of the comeback games, the 352 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: rosen Copter game, they're just the comebacks he had against 353 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: the Texans. He to me, he you can argue Peyton 354 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: one t y two or vice versa, but I think 355 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: it's those two. He's amazing with a bullet. I just 356 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: don't think about him as a villain because he's he 357 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: was so excellent against everybody. Yeah, you know, it seemed 358 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: like it seemed like Hilton rose his game to another 359 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: level when he played it. Now, t why Hilton's a 360 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: phenomenal player. Yeah, to the point where even on our 361 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: group of text thread earlier the summer, I said the 362 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: Texans out of game to look, if he plays the 363 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Energy Stadium, he's gonna blow it up. Back game, give 364 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: him a look in three where so why not? Why 365 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: the hell not? Okay, so it's a cool list and 366 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: it's on Houston Texans dot Com in the mobile app. 367 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium I thought was a nice one. Yeah, Mark 368 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: changed that because you've never started with Brady and then 369 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: we started with dam and then we started talking about 370 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: the losses we've had and Mark the losses that we've 371 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: had up there, and Mark just said, I think it's 372 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: Gilllette Stadium. And then as he talked, he talked himself 373 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: into it even more. And I'm like, I think you're right. 374 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: You've had gut punches there seventeen and eighteen with the Sean. 375 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: You've had absolute undressings like Monday Night Football in twenty twelve, 376 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: and then the playoff game there you've had you should 377 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: have gone in in one that you're playing against a 378 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: third string quarterback and you got first shut out sixteen. Yeah, 379 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was awful. So that's a 380 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: great great villain. Robert mathis Drake Dway for you. That's yeah, 381 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: that's fine. They're all cults if it's not just Lette Stadium. 382 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: And you know what they had to fill in the 383 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: blank blank yourself. That's for number five. I'm gonna fill 384 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: in the blank and I'm gonna I'm gonna get under 385 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: your skin with this. This is gonna make you kind 386 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: of angry because this is a guy who gets you 387 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: angry whenever his name comes up. And I think he's 388 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: on the He might not body of work, might not 389 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: have enough yet, but dang it, it seems like every 390 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: time we play them, Darius Leonard does something to screw 391 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: things up. Brenches. John mcclin from Diehard said, I mean, 392 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: I do not disagree with you at all. The reason 393 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: that he gets on oer my skin. It's all the 394 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: other like antics and that's why, and things why. That's 395 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: why he's a villain. That's those are villainous things. You're no, 396 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: You're You're absolutely right he fit. You will have no 397 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: disagreement with me on villain. How about how about the number. 398 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: Listen to the numbers he's played in eight games against 399 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: the Texans um nine if you include the playoff games, 400 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: so seven and two all time. Go to one category 401 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: for me, which one called f f forced fumbles. He's 402 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: forced three in the regular season. Okay, he's also picked 403 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: off two passes. And what he's done is he spaced 404 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: those out. It's not all in the same game. And 405 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's ended games seems like against kik QT 406 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: a few times, the fumble he forced against the Texas 407 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: A twenty twenty. He ended the game in twenty nineteen 408 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: with the pick and then the pie face of Kenny Stills. 409 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Uh forrest of punched out a fumble David Johnson either 410 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one, I can't remember which one it was. 411 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: He is an absolute thorn in the side. Now. He 412 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: said he's played eight games, but all eight games he 413 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: just I've said this, he doesn't tackle anybody anymore. Well, 414 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: last year he was playing with it was such a 415 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 1: bum ankle. Yeah, that it was. It was hard. It 416 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: was really hard to watch him move. So he just 417 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: decided to forget it. Let everybody else make tackles. I'm 418 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: going to punch everything out to that point. Check out 419 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the numbers though, tackles. Why is it last year? Yes, 420 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: he only had to combine to eleven tackles in those 421 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: two games. But listen now, he started his career as 422 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: a rookie and eighteen. He had a sack and thirteen 423 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: tackles in the first game. He played a sack and 424 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: twelve tackles in the second game, and he also broke 425 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: up a pass, and those were both in eighteen, right, 426 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: those are both in eighteen. And then in the playoff 427 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: game he gets another thirteen tackles, breaks up another pass, 428 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: so I mean double digits each time, and then followed 429 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: it up with ten tackles in the first game in nineteen. 430 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: He also had the pick. He broke up the pass. 431 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Next game in nineteen, forces a fumble, has only six tackles, 432 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: has only six tackles the first game in twenty, but 433 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: breaks up a pass fifteen tackles that second game in twenty, 434 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: along with another forced fumble, which is a big one. 435 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: And then yeah, Darius Leonard, and then he was jawn 436 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: about him on on their hard knocks in season at 437 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: last meeting. I think he's a legitimate Texans villain, and 438 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: he's creeping closer. He's not up in t Y Hilton territory. 439 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: That guy's in a class I'll buy himself in my mind. 440 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you at all the fact that 441 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: you put another Colt in there, which is not surprising. 442 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: It's AFC South. You're gonna play those teams twice a year, 443 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: so you're gonna create probably more you know, villainous activities 444 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: with those in your division. I asked Mark this maybe 445 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, but I wanted to come up 446 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: with some villains that came from different you know, outside 447 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: the FC South. Yeah, he goes Slawson with the Jets, 448 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: Reckon Cushing knee. That's a good one. The one that 449 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: I came up with was the every four years club 450 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: players that you faced every four years, Eli, Eli Manning 451 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: never beat him, Tony Romo. Oh, I didn't think about Romo. 452 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: But I came up with Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and 453 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You've not beaten Russell Wilson. You beat Rodgers 454 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: the first time at oh eight, but in twelve he 455 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: lit you up like a Christmas Tree. Sixteen is the 456 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: r l a X year and he has the game 457 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: winning touchdown to Jordy Nelson that put him in the 458 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: lead for good. And then twenty twenty he'd be just 459 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: a total blitz creek here during the COVID year, Russell 460 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Wilson beat you in thirteen, comes from behind, seventeen, comes 461 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: from behind, twenty twenty one, gets a win and get you. 462 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: He's three and oh, Eli Manning never lost against you. 463 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: I caught it the every four years guys, whole hold 464 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: on a second, rewind. What did you say? Ri La? 465 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: What X? In twenty sixteen the Packers. The Packers were like, 466 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what the record was. It was 467 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: like five, there were five and six or six and five, right, 468 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: it was. It was in early December and it was 469 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: twenty four five games, so it was twenty sixteen. So 470 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: they yeah, and so everybody's panicking. And he went on 471 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: the radio and he was like, relax r R R 472 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: E L A I X relax. So Les yeah, yeah, 473 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: he was basically to everybody, relax. And then he won 474 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: every game. And what I remember about that game in 475 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: particular in twenty sixteen was he was playing with a hammy. 476 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: I think it was a hammy in the snow, in 477 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: this snow that he could barely move, and yet he 478 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: scrambled for one key first down he hit him. He 479 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: hit a one er the throat. Jordy Nelson was just 480 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: incredible for a touchdown. He's doing all this in a 481 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: snowstorm and just making it look easy. And he looked 482 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: on the field like he was that guy just going relax, man, 483 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: we're good. But I call it the every four years 484 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: club because never beating the Lot, never beating Russell, and 485 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: only beat Rodgers the first time into three games after 486 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: that where he's three and one. So those are the 487 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: ones that came up with outside the AFC South, and 488 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: those I kind of put all one. They kind of 489 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: fit all into one category. So I was like, I 490 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: liked it. Those are good. I liked it. Jeremy Shockey, 491 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: you could throw in there. He's back in eleven. He 492 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: got on he was with the Panthers and he got 493 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: on Demiko Ryans. He was he was kind of nasty 494 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: in that game. Yeah, he had that in the preseason game, 495 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: the very first game the Texans played, and they played 496 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: up in the Canton in the Hall of Fame game 497 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: against the Giants, and of course there was a preseason game, 498 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: so he'd take it for what it is. But um, yeah, shock, 499 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: he's shock. He's a good one. I brought up Cortland Finnigan. 500 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's absolutely in there. That's an oversight. How 501 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: did I not well because he actually played okay against 502 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: the Texans. Yeah yeah, he And I brought up pac 503 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Man Jones too because I felt like pac Man Jones 504 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: now that Texans did quote unquote get him later when 505 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: he went to the Bengals, he really didn't do much. 506 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: But with the Titans, he was he was pretty a good. 507 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: The one villain that I don't think either one of us, 508 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: I guess had the heart to bring up, and because 509 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: I think it was such a short time frame, was 510 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: Vince Young. Yeah, because Vince Young fit the category of 511 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: being a villain, of what you would think of being 512 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: a villain coming back to his home city and yeah, 513 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: you know Vince, but he really was not He was 514 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: really not great in any of those games after that. 515 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he was good, but he wasn't great. He 516 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: wasn't the reason the Titans ended up winning those games. 517 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: It was Chris john And I brought up Chris Johnson 518 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: c J two K because that dude was unbelievable. But 519 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: that was a really, really really short that was like 520 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: basically O eight oh nine or seven O eight. I 521 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: think it was eight nine. He had a huge game 522 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: against Texans. Yeah, I think I was year he went 523 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: two K two. Yeah, so it was two thousand and nine. 524 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Eight O eight was two K and then sweak two 525 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: of oh nine. That's when they left them wide open. 526 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: They didn't cover him. I mean you say, why there's 527 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: wide open and then there's not covering and then there's 528 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: like having the entire side of the field with no 529 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: defender near him. And that's what they did. A couple 530 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: of others that I think Mark brought this up, Um 531 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: and Dominican Sue Good one yeah for kicking shop, kicking shop, 532 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: and then Fat apprehends Worth was the other one, Yeah 533 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: for breaking shops Flizz Frame. I kind of felt like 534 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: that was a I mean, look, villains can be one 535 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: time or they can be villas. That's kind of where 536 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: the shocky thing came from. Yes, yeah, more like a 537 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: one time villain like oh Man Slawson kind of fits 538 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: into that category, like a one timer. Um. But we've 539 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: talked about this head nauseum about Albert Haynesworth doesn't break 540 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Matchup's foot, basically what happens with twenty eleve and at 541 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: that point, what happens with t J. Yates, y'all kind 542 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: of things that that ended up coming out of it. 543 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: There were some great things that came out of it. 544 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: They're also probably the possibility of winning a Super Bowl 545 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: was right there that year with that team getting as 546 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: hot as it was at that time, so um, he 547 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: definitely fits in there. Another one to me, it wasn't 548 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: he was injured so often. I couldn't remember how often 549 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: he played against the Texans, but he was just such 550 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: a force when he was on the field. Now was 551 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: Bob Sanders, But I don't remember him playing all that 552 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: much against the Texans. I remember him being banged up 553 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: and injured a lot when he was playing um against 554 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: the Texans. So I didn't really think of him too 555 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: much as kind of a as kind of a villain. 556 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I think t Y Peyton fit that. Darius fits that. 557 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean those you know, funky dances he's doing after 558 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: he's making a tackle for seven yards he does. He 559 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: just he loves seeing the Texans. Then you're right, seeing 560 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: the hard knocks, the hard knocks. He's always sort of 561 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: interesting from that angle as you get to hear what 562 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: those players are saying about your particular team, and you know, 563 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: hearing Darius Leonard to talk about that Pharaoh and whatever 564 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: whoever he had a beef with, it was just yeah, 565 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: and you're you're that's a good call. You put him 566 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: at number five. I'll roll with it. So Bob Sanders 567 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: to bring him up, boy, he only played seven games 568 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: against Sex and six and one. The Colts were but 569 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: he was inactive you know four for the second game. 570 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: He played both games in five inactive you know six 571 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: for a game, missed both games in OH eight, was 572 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: on injured reserve in OH nine, played a few snaps, 573 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: I guess the first game here in OH nine, excuse 574 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: me in ten, and then didn't play in the second one. 575 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's sad. The just that guy was a 576 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: playmaker and he but he's just I think he was. 577 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: His body wasn't built too. I mean he was five eight, Yeah, 578 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: he was five eight two oh five. And I mean 579 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: he was fearless, yep. I mean he was absolutely fearless. 580 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: And I worry about guys. I mean, look, I think 581 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: Jalen Peatree is gonna be one heck of a player, 582 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: but one of his greatest assets might turn into one 583 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: of his liabilities if he's not careful, and that is 584 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: his fearlessness. He has no issue whatsoever throwing his body 585 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: into two hundred and fifteen pound running backs repeatedly. It's 586 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to curtail that. But I 587 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: always think about Bob Sanders when I think about a 588 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: player like Jalen. Now, Jalen's a little bit bigger. He's 589 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: five ten five eleven ish two hundred pounds, so he's 590 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: he's built a little differently from Bob Sanders, but that 591 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: same sort of fearless nature of if you're in a 592 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: different called Jersey, I'm gonna hit you with everything I got. Yeah, 593 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: it does. It does worry me a little bit. But 594 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: if there's something, if there is a player that I 595 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: am thrilled to watch this year, it's Jalen Peatree. John, 596 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up, because Jalen Peatree was 597 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: actually named to the preseason early projection of the twenty 598 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: twenty two All Rookie teams. Really, he was put there 599 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: at safety. Who do you think the other two Texans 600 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: there's three of them named on the seams. Who do 601 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: you think the other two happened? I mean and Kenyon 602 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: false as shrewd. Let's say Damian Pierce. Correct, Damian Pierce 603 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: was because I think the projection was he's got a 604 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: good chance of getting in there because of who's in 605 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: the running back room with him. It's a different running 606 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: back root and Kenyon and then Christian Harris was the 607 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: other one h Okay linebacker Christian Harris who love e Smith, 608 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: Nickis Sarrio. He had a nice fits handing love Yeah, Yeah, 609 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: had a nice bro hug over. They're excited about that. 610 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: And you know he's he's one of those guys that 611 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: supposedly or not supposedly but seemingly should be able to 612 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: cover hit get after the quarterback from time to time. 613 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: Let's see it plays out like that. Christians fantastic, Jaman 614 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: Petrie's awesome, Damian Pierces the thousand yard rusher that John 615 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: mcclan has has gone out on a limb and said 616 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be will you be frustrated? And here's 617 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: why I ask, will you be frustrated that Derek Stingley 618 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: and Kenyan Green aren't on that all rookie team. Now, 619 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot that can that could mean, and you know, 620 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Stingley and Kenyan Green playoff season long. But 621 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, Zion Johnson, who was another first rounder from 622 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the Chargers, has a tremendous year in the Charger to 623 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl, and because a lot of it, 624 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: especially with offense, a lot is about perception, and maybe 625 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: Stingley has a great year but you know, Sauce is tremendous, 626 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's some rookie corner that I 627 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: can't think of the top of my head that has 628 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: seven eight interceptions whatever team, and it's Sauce and that guy. 629 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: But Stingley has seven, you know, plays sixteen seventeen games, 630 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: plays well. But if those guys play at a high level, 631 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: then okay. But if they don't make a rookie team 632 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: like this, and I know a lot of it has 633 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: to do with prestige and you know, national media and 634 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: how it's perceived, all that kind of stuff, But if 635 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: those three players aren't making it from a preseason standpoint, 636 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: then eyes are certainly on the Texans and the Texans 637 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: rookies for earning such honors. If Kenyan and Derek are 638 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: not part of that, are you worried? Not? Really? Were 639 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: you not? Really? Because I think let's say he does 640 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: Stingley play all all the games that you're talking about. 641 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it though, based on who 642 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: he is, based on what teams will see on tape, 643 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: based on his reputation. I think there's gonna be a 644 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: lot of teams that just kind of try to stay 645 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: away from and do that, you're not gonna get stats, 646 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: You're not gonna get attention because somebody else is the ball. 647 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, somebody else is getting targeted. So I think 648 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: that could be a good thing. And if that's the case, 649 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: you're doing it. I think we kind of saw that 650 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot with Jonathan Joseph in his early years here 651 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: baldon't go his way a whole heck of a lot 652 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: a case in point toront Diggs was outstanding last year 653 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys right ten in receptions, but he also 654 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: had the other side of it where teams would challenge 655 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: because they saw on film that he was slopping his technique. Yeah, 656 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: bight on double moves, and teams challenged him. Now they 657 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: got burned a few times, but they also hit. So 658 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: he was kind of the the yin and the yang 659 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: of exactly what you're saying, right, because he made you 660 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: pay if you want to have too much, But if 661 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: you want out him enough, you were gonna end up 662 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: hitting the big one over the time. Which is why 663 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: I could see Petree benefiting from stuff like that, you know, 664 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: because he is more around the line, He is more disruptive, 665 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: more you know, around the ball. I think he could 666 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: kind of feast, get stuff a stat sheet, and that's 667 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: a little bit easier for something like this as opposed 668 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: to man, we just didn't throw it Stingley. Yeah, and 669 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: the opportunities aren't quite there. And then to finish that 670 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: part of that question that you asked, I think if okay, 671 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: if Green doesn't make it but Pierce does, but Green 672 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: played the whole season, I think that means Green has 673 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: done something to help Pierce out in that roar right 674 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: and offensive. Lineman don't get that recognition a lot, but 675 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: I would. I would think that he's done a good job, 676 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: especially if he's gonna play the whole years. Yeah, I didn't. 677 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: I just thought about that because I think the natural 678 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: inclination is, well, they had two first round picks, those 679 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: will be the guys because of what that list represents. 680 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: Every time it's you know, an honor, it's like, how 681 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: can we quantify to be able to say to people 682 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: we think Kenny and Green is fantastic? Well why do 683 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: you think that? And I typically go to, you know, 684 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: things I see on tape, Well he can do this 685 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: on power, he moves people. You know, that's not that 686 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: easy to give a guy credit and say Hey, this 687 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: guy should be a he should be on the All 688 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Rookie team because he's knocking people off the ball consistently, etc. 689 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: You want to quantify that in some sense. And so 690 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: I just when it was not Stingy and it was 691 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: not Kenny and Green, it kind of thought, m all right, 692 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: So what if as first round picks, the first first 693 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: round picks you made since twenty nineteen, what if the 694 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: other guys are all that in a bag of chips 695 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: and they're just not where they need to be or 696 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: not where you'd want them to be? Would that disappoint you? 697 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: And I don't think i'd be disappointed. I think there 698 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: are allowed for ways, like we pointed out that that 699 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: it can go. You may not go after Stanley. You know, 700 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: hopefully Kenyan's gonna jump into that starting lineup at some 701 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: point and he won't move out of it for the 702 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: next ten years, hopefully, But you know, you never know 703 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: how things are gonna go down. And I think it 704 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: was Darius Leonard who ended up if I remember correctly, 705 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: Darius Leonard didn't make Pro Bowl or didn't make All Pro. No, 706 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: he didn't make Pro Bowl the first year. Going back 707 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: to our conversation, and he was incredible. I mean, he 708 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. We didn't make the Pro Bowl. And then 709 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: you find out, oh, well, you know that was because 710 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: he was listen as an outside linebacker. Well, that mean 711 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: he was against all the edge rushers. Yeah, like, wait, 712 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: that's dumb, that's not the position. Yeah, so it became 713 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: kind of a number comparison. So I don't panic about 714 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: it at all. I really don't worry about it. But 715 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: the fact that the recognition for those three guys being second, third, 716 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: fourth round picks, I think is huge. I think it's fantastic. 717 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: And I like the guy that wrote it and had 718 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: these projections game Chad readers du chat yeah, uh for 719 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. I think he does a good job. 720 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: I enjoy I enjoy his mock drafts. Yeah, he's not 721 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna do the surface level. Hey, it's well thought out, yeah, 722 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: well research, very very well respected, I think. So I 723 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: thought that was cool because he also didn't go with 724 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: like what you're talking about. He didn't just go to 725 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: the chalk, right, didn't go chalk exactly. Yeah, dude, Chad Ruyter, 726 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. There's no doubt the three 727 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: players that he had picked the rookies Jalen Petrie, Damian Pierce, 728 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: and Christian Harris in rounds two, three, and four. Now, 729 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: I do think that Derek Stingley will be a part 730 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: of that. I think both Kenny Green and Derek Stingley 731 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: will be part of that. Got to be healthy and 732 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: hopefully they will be healthy as we get near training 733 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: camp and selfishly we get a chance to watch them. 734 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: Now I alluded to earlier, there's been a trade in 735 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: the NFL, and we will discuss stat as we go 736 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: around the NFL. Next on Texas All Access Boxes Boxes Box, 737 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: we got one final segment this Wednesday, a Nation of 738 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: Texans All Access from the Hounday Texans Radio studio. I'm 739 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: ere Ros John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter, And as 740 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: we go round in the NFL, there's one major story. 741 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: It's one we've actually had been talking about for a while. 742 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield Lake Travis High School, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Cleveland 743 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: Browns now has a new zip code and it is 744 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: for Charlotte, North Carolina. The Carolina Panthers have traded a 745 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: conditional twenty twenty four fifth round pick to the Browns 746 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield Now, the one thing that I always 747 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: brought up was the money, because it was like eighteen 748 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: nineteen millions something like that that he was earmarked to 749 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: be paid in twenty twenty two. The Browns will pay 750 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield ten and a half million this season, so 751 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 1: they knocked off about eight eight and a half million 752 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: dollars in cash a salary cap space. The Panthers will 753 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: pay Mayfield five million. Mayfield agreed to knock off three 754 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: and a half million off his base salary for the 755 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: trade to be completed. Now he apparently can get that 756 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: money back if he hits certain incentives. Charles Robinson from 757 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: Yahoo Sports talked about the conditional aspect of the conditionals ceiling. 758 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: The fifth round pick the Panthers dealt to Browns for 759 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is a fourth rounder. Source says this is 760 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: far better than anything the two sides worked undering the 761 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: draft larger because Mayfield is surrendering salary to make it happen. 762 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: He then went on to say that he can get 763 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: that back with playtime incentives, statistical incentives, all that kind 764 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: of stuff. So the Panthers have traded for Baker Mayfield 765 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: one year after they traded for Sam Darnold a few 766 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: months after they drafted Matt Correll. So we're gonna fire 767 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: a few college football legends at the quarterback canvas, and 768 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: one of them might just work. I don't know, it 769 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: might just work in Carolina with somebody one of these quarterbacks. 770 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: But as was pointing out the two things to consider here, 771 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: the Panthers traded a second, a third, two fourths, a fifth, 772 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: a sixth in different years for a quarterback room of 773 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield, Matt Carroll. Because they traded up 774 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: to go get Matt Crow, which I thought was a 775 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: good move at the time. Third round. Heck, yeah, go 776 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: give it up, go get him. Might as well, what 777 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: do you got to lose that point? So they have 778 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield, Matt Correll there in Carolina, and Donald. 779 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: I would imagine Donald and Baker Mayfield now compete the 780 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: starting job. They were drafted numbers one and three in 781 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen draft. There now members of the Carolina Panthers. 782 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: And look, my family, a lot of my families in Carolina. 783 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: They're big Carolina fans. Even the ones that have moved 784 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: to Virginia are big Carolina fans. So I want to 785 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: see them do well when we're not playing them. But 786 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: this move I look at and think, hey, wow, So 787 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: the flip side, that's the Browns. The Browns are paying 788 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield ten and a half million dollars this year, 789 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: and they're paying a certain other quarterback about forty five 790 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: or forty six million. We'll see how many games they 791 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: get out of those two. So Browns paying for a 792 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks and a lot of quarterback money that 793 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: may not benefit them in twenty twenty two. Oh and 794 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: by the way, the Browns are at the Panthers Week one. 795 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: Let's go Panthers. And you know why I'm saying that, 796 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: But that's the big news in the NFL today. Baker 797 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: Mayfield traded to the Carolina Panthers. Former number one overall 798 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: pick Jared Goff was a number one pick sixteen, he 799 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: got moved to Detroit Lions a couple years ago, and 800 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: now it's Baker Mayfield moving to the Carolina Panthers. Big 801 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: thanks everybody worked on his show. Thank you to Drew, 802 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: thank you Stephen Nelson, to Mark. We'll see all tomorrow. 803 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: As always, go Texans.