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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Tragger. We
Speaker 1: talk SVU true crime up top. We do catch up.
Speaker 1: We have not seen each other in weeks. You know,
Speaker 1: I moved to New York and you went to an island.
Speaker 2: Baby, you went to Saint Thomas. I want to hear
Speaker 2: all about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I flew to Saint Thomas and I went to
Speaker 1: Saint John And if you can believe it, a listener
Speaker 1: even hit me up and was like, I live on
Speaker 1: Saint Thomas. Let me take you on my boat like
Speaker 1: you guys are, and it's really amazing cool. Unfortunately, it
Speaker 1: was a weekend invitation and we were leaving by the weekend,
Speaker 1: but they gave me some restaurant recks, one place that
Speaker 1: we had actually just eaten at, so but yeah, I
Speaker 1: went with my friend and another friend was there. We
Speaker 1: overlapped for like a day and a half and then
Speaker 1: it was just me and my friend the rest of
Speaker 1: the time, and we had a blast.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: It was like it was so beautiful. It was just
Speaker 1: like gorgeous, and I just was relaxed. I felt really relaxed.
Speaker 1: Like I came back and I was like being so
Speaker 1: much more patient with my kids. I was like, it's okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like, I just like really needed a
Speaker 1: little break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you flew out on the Super Bowl. Did
Speaker 2: you watch it on your flight? Was that like the
Speaker 2: main thing you did?
Speaker 3: No? No, because my flight was at midnight.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: So I actually went to a Super Bowl party with
Speaker 1: my kids, stayed through halftime, went home right after, and
Speaker 1: then like, you know, I don't really care that much.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of checking the score, but I
Speaker 1: didn't really care. And then I turned on my TV
Speaker 1: at the last minute and I go, oh, oh, they're tied.
Speaker 1: They're in overtime. This is crazy. And then I was
Speaker 1: seeing am I incorrect that San Francisco was ahead a
Speaker 1: little bit in the overtime?
Speaker 2: Well, no overtime, it's tied. That's why it goes into
Speaker 2: the overtime. Then they got a field goal for three.
Speaker 2: And the thing is the overtime rules in playoffs are
Speaker 2: different than the regular season. This is like one of
Speaker 2: the biggest kind of like mess ups in Super Bowl history,
Speaker 2: is what I'm getting from my explore page. Really yeah,
Speaker 2: because so like in normal and if I'm saying anything wrong,
Speaker 2: hit us up. But in normal season overtime it's whoever
Speaker 2: scores first and then the game is over. So it's
Speaker 2: like sudden death no matter who has possession, who scores
Speaker 2: is it? That's it here the other team gets an
Speaker 2: opportunity at the ball and it's like just a timed thing.
Speaker 2: And Mahomes is known as one of the greatest quarterbacks
Speaker 2: to like ever do it, so it's stupid for them
Speaker 2: to have taken possession first. So basically, instead of not
Speaker 2: doing it and they know how to score, they let
Speaker 2: Mahomes kind of have the final the final little bit
Speaker 2: to get in, which is kind of wild.
Speaker 3: But then in the.
Speaker 2: Interviews afterwards, Travis said that they were talking about these
Speaker 2: rules for weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. They
Speaker 2: had specific statticians come in Jesus analytics guys, and they
Speaker 2: were over it over and over, and then San Francisco
Speaker 2: the dudes didn't even know about it. There's some micd
Speaker 2: up guy that goes, wait, but they get possession after fuck,
Speaker 2: And even the referees were like there there was hidden
Speaker 2: mics on them and they go, damn, you don't want
Speaker 2: to give Mahomes the ball?
Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, that was weird, Like it was weird.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was like they were up three, so
Speaker 2: they couldn't score the touchdown, so it's just the field goal.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Chiefs just needed a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like all I remember seeing was like being like, fuck,
Speaker 1: it looks like San Francisco's gonna win. And I had
Speaker 1: it on mute and then suddenly I saw the Chiefs
Speaker 1: going wild on my screen and I was like what
Speaker 1: the fuck? So I rewound it cause I you know,
Speaker 1: one of the glories of still paying for cable is
Speaker 1: that I can just rewind it. So I like rewound
Speaker 1: it and was like fuck, and I watch the last
Speaker 1: few minutes and like, I'm not a sports person, I
Speaker 1: don't understand half of what you just said, but it
Speaker 1: is really exciting when a game is like that close,
Speaker 1: and like it's so fun.
Speaker 3: That's what I always say. It's fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Fourth quarter basketball is the best, like anything can happen,
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize football is similar. But fourth quarter
Speaker 2: sports are like baseball's just a little chiller. But yeah,
Speaker 2: ninth like anything close. Like that's the beauty of sports,
Speaker 2: is anything can happen. Yeah, you know, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You never give up. You gotta keep pushing because you
Speaker 2: truly never know. And that's what the heart of a
Speaker 2: champion is.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: If you want to get to what was really turning
Speaker 1: me on about the Super Bowl, the fucking halftime show
Speaker 1: really killed it for me. Like I love the halftime show.
Speaker 1: I am not here for a single second of Usher,
Speaker 1: hate of Who's Usher or any of this bullshit.
Speaker 3: I thought he turned it out.
Speaker 1: He gave us Vegas, he gave us showmanship, he gave
Speaker 1: us Ludacris, he gave.
Speaker 3: Us roller skates. Yes, I was screaming when Luda came out.
Speaker 3: Gave us homecoming. He gave us homecoming. I was like,
Speaker 3: Lona Chris do my podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, I got very lucky. I went to a gathering
Speaker 2: as well at the Cellar. They actually closed down the
Speaker 2: restaurant for us to watch the Super Bowl. Cool and
Speaker 2: really cool like field tablecloths, you know, like and like
Speaker 2: plates that look like the shape of a hot a football,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I just I really
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then at one point I did order of aucas
Speaker 2: soda and I go in the football cup please, And
Speaker 2: then I got a normal cup and I go okay.
Speaker 2: So then the next time I go a double, so
Speaker 2: it's in the football cup.
Speaker 3: She goes, I know.
Speaker 2: I felt so bad, and I'm like, no, no, it's actually okay.
Speaker 2: I'm being silly, but you better get me a football cup.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm trying to express my religion right now.
Speaker 1: Could you please put it in the football cup?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I got to watch the halftime show with black
Speaker 2: people from Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, So I had two shows to look at.
Speaker 2: I had the show in front of me and on
Speaker 2: the screen and it was a projector screen.
Speaker 3: So it was really like exciting. It was really fine.
Speaker 1: No, and I got to watch it in like a
Speaker 1: room with a bunch of our friends that you know,
Speaker 1: and like we were just having a time.
Speaker 3: It was really great.
Speaker 1: And my kids were watching, like Rosie was sitting on
Speaker 1: a friend's lap and then Oscar was on my lap
Speaker 1: and they were really paying attention. They were wrapped like
Speaker 1: put Rosie at the party kept booing usher, but not
Speaker 1: because she didn't like it. She just was trying to
Speaker 1: get attention so she she could see everybody was having
Speaker 1: a good time.
Speaker 3: And she kept going boo just to see what people
Speaker 3: would do.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, stop it right now, Like
Speaker 1: I really gave it to her.
Speaker 2: Being a contrarian is genetic. I see, it is absolutely genetic.
Speaker 2: She is ridiculous. No, but also you missed saying the
Speaker 2: roller skates. I mean yeah, to have a full roller
Speaker 2: skating situation, a glitter muscletop, we got a shirtless moment.
Speaker 3: He knew what we needed.
Speaker 2: We had not only Ludacris, Ludacris with the full frow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had the fro full out Like that was incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one really cared about Jermaine de Prix.
Speaker 2: I do feel bad.
Speaker 3: I did see him an adulta lounge, but his if
Speaker 3: it was wild. He was getting a lot of little
Speaker 3: Lord Fauntleroy confidence. Yeah. But also Lalicia Keys was a
Speaker 3: cool thing. Like it was incredible. I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think it was cool.
Speaker 1: How like he even did some of his slower jams
Speaker 1: and made them work like at a sporting event, like
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: Any One that had anything negative to say that is
Speaker 2: the product of the Internet. Yeah, I am actually just discussed.
Speaker 2: I know we talk about it time and time again,
Speaker 2: but like the lack of nuance on the internet is
Speaker 2: hitting me like a ton of bricks lately, where it's
Speaker 2: just like you guys are sick.
Speaker 3: You can't actually be like this dnse about life, right,
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's wild. Like I asked my kid how
Speaker 2: they want their cheese? How dare you give kids choice?
Speaker 2: As you're a jebba, and it's like you, what is happening?
Speaker 2: What is happening?
Speaker 1: No, it's like everything with the whole country right now
Speaker 1: is like let people live, let people do what they want.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know the fact that everyone feels like
Speaker 1: they have to weigh in or legislate or do anything.
Speaker 3: And mean and mean.
Speaker 2: A woman was just like a thing popped up in
Speaker 2: my thing where she and I know everyone knows what
Speaker 2: it meant, even though I didn't use the words, but
Speaker 2: she just sang like a kind of silly song. But
Speaker 2: her husband died and the song was about like, don't
Speaker 2: shovel snow if you're over forty five, and then of
Speaker 2: course the comments are like, who cares if you're a widow,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch, stop projecting. My parents are healthy, we're
Speaker 2: gonna shovel. Maybe if you kept him better shape, this
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a problem. And then all these full on
Speaker 2: cardiologists and professionals are like, there's nothing to do with
Speaker 2: be in shape. The cold air constricts I guess the
Speaker 2: blood and the over the head motion is also something
Speaker 2: with the heart, and it's not gonna happen to everyone.
Speaker 2: Same as like with cigarettes, not everyone's gonna die of cancer,
Speaker 2: but it's a warning.
Speaker 3: Same with seatbelts, you know, like all of these things.
Speaker 2: So all the cardiology and then everyone was just like
Speaker 2: just being sh my. My father's seventy in shovels and
Speaker 2: it's like cool and hopefully he doesn't die.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't get why.
Speaker 2: People think they know everything, they know the right thing.
Speaker 2: It's just like also not compassion that her husband did die,
Speaker 2: and like maybe he didn't have to shovel. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: then people were like, I'm in Buffalo, what are you
Speaker 2: to do? We're poor, we can't shovel, And it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a fourteen year old that would do
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like, but how did this devolve?
Speaker 2: It was just like I didn't know about that. Next
Speaker 2: time my dad or someone tries to shovel, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go I would prefer you not do that.
Speaker 3: I love you to live.
Speaker 2: I heard the cold might do something with your horror
Speaker 2: because my dad, you know, is out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know your dad is out there.
Speaker 2: So I mean, sorry for that stupid thing. Obviously, we
Speaker 2: have more to talk about the Super Bowl. I mean
Speaker 2: it took over a week. For a week, I don't
Speaker 2: think I watched anything but after party super Bowl footage.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't watch Bravo. I have not caught up
Speaker 2: on SVU. I did watch Traders and Drag Race made
Speaker 2: time for that of course. Yeah, but like I have
Speaker 2: watched every grainy cell phone interaction angle from that party,
Speaker 2: and I I am I'm standing their love.
Speaker 3: If anyone was confused, yeah no, yeah, that's clear. That
Speaker 3: is clear.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I forgot to tell you. Also, I did
Speaker 1: ride in the back of a cop car on Saint John.
Speaker 1: So that was a very important, uh moment for me
Speaker 1: for what well this fucking I mean, you got to you.
Speaker 1: It's like the trade in of going somewhere beautiful but
Speaker 1: also having to be like on island time. You know,
Speaker 1: that's like not my vibe. I'm too high strung for that.
Speaker 1: Like I'm always like, what's taking so long? What's happening?
Speaker 1: Like we ordered a drink at this place, they just
Speaker 1: like forgot and then twenty minutes later we were like hi,
Speaker 1: and they were like, what's up.
Speaker 3: Like, and I was just like, what's happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't get mad, you know, I'm trying,
Speaker 1: just trying to be chillin island Cara, but it's hard.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we go out to dinner and afterwards we
Speaker 1: go have a drink and I didn't realize, like on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, you have to take these big van taxis everywhere,
Speaker 1: and on a Tuesday night they're just like not running anymore.
Speaker 1: At eleven o'clock, it wasn't even like it was midnight.
Speaker 1: It was eleven o'clock. We're wering around the whole area
Speaker 1: looking for this a van taxi.
Speaker 3: There's nothing.
Speaker 1: We stop into a bar buy another drink that we
Speaker 1: don't even want, just so we can ask the bartender
Speaker 1: to call us one. He calls his guy. He's like,
Speaker 1: my guy's not answering. We're like, what's gonna happen? Like,
Speaker 1: how are we gonna get home? Because you can't even
Speaker 1: call anybody. And then we went up to these cops
Speaker 1: and we were like, do you know where we can
Speaker 1: get a cab? And they were like no, sorry, sounds
Speaker 1: like bad luck. And we were like okay. And then
Speaker 1: my friend that was with us was just like hung
Speaker 1: out for a little bit longer and was just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I walked a few steps away and then
Speaker 1: she goes, Okay, guys, he's gonna take us, and I
Speaker 1: guess she was like my plan was just to stay
Speaker 1: there until they took us somewhere, you know, because it
Speaker 1: was a it's a six minute drive.
Speaker 3: It's just you can't walk it. It's like up a mountain.
Speaker 1: So these cops took my friend went in the front seat,
Speaker 1: and then me and you know Rachel, we were in
Speaker 1: the back. No doors, I mean, no windows that can
Speaker 1: be rolled down, no handlebars. It was claustrophobic and hot,
Speaker 1: and it was like a six minute drive, Like I
Speaker 1: did not enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Is it a hard shell seat or a soft seat? No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't hard shell it was like soft.
Speaker 1: I was like a small suv but like full gating everywhere,
Speaker 1: and like you can't even like see out a window.
Speaker 1: Like all these windows were stablers going over to like
Speaker 1: talk to a kid in the back of a cop
Speaker 1: car and rolling down the window. It's like they're no,
Speaker 1: this had git all over it. So anyway, I just
Speaker 1: thought that was a fun little tidbit. What else, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have ninety thousand things to tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really cut me off from my tailor's corner.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, I guess I'm I just you know
Speaker 2: how last week or two weeks so, I was like
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed where I was like, you don't have
Speaker 2: to stand during Sciss's speech.
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed.
Speaker 2: And then I saw a different angle of that video
Speaker 2: and you see her turn to a friend going, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I got a shout out, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's cute, you know what I mean, Like anytime I'm
Speaker 2: a little annoyed, I'm not.
Speaker 3: So I did want to say.
Speaker 1: That, well, what did you think of the everybody was
Speaker 1: talking about how like you endanger girl tailor because of
Speaker 1: how Travis was screaming at his coach on the side,
Speaker 1: like he's got a temper, you know, And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: he's an alfob.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you do not do that to a coach,
Speaker 2: especially not Andy Reid. That is bad sportsmanship, that is
Speaker 2: not good behavior. But I listened to the podcast and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you know, Jason called him out,
Speaker 2: and he's like he knows he needed to handle it better.
Speaker 2: But it's also like it's none, no one knows. He goes,
Speaker 2: I wasn't yelling at Andy. I was being like, fuck,
Speaker 2: we fumbled, like I want to get back in. Like
Speaker 2: he wasn't yelling at the coach. He's like, we have
Speaker 2: the best coach. My coach didn't do anything wrong. He's like,
Speaker 2: I was just flipping out and wanted to be in
Speaker 2: the game. But like, guy shouldn't have talked to him.
Speaker 2: He goes, and I feel bad. I knocked him over.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he was gonna like fall off balance.
Speaker 2: He's like, I wasn't like charging. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: he knocked him over. I didn't know that part. He
Speaker 2: didn knock him over, he just went off balance. He
Speaker 2: was just kind of shocked. But then Andy goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Travis. I know where he's at. You know,
Speaker 2: that's why I love him. His competitive you know, spirit
Speaker 2: and you know and all of that and no one.
Speaker 1: That's another nuanced thing too, Like if we just see
Speaker 1: a photo of him looking fucking furious and in his
Speaker 1: coach's face. But I didn't really I thought he was
Speaker 1: yelling at him. I didn't actually yelling about the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, during the game, I was like, ooh, that is
Speaker 2: not good. I'm not into that. Yeah, and then Andy
Speaker 2: goes he keeps me young. These boys keep me young.
Speaker 2: And they won. If they lost, it would have obviously
Speaker 2: looked different.
Speaker 3: But they won.
Speaker 2: And then it got worse from there because he got
Speaker 2: blackout drunk at the Kansas City parade. He tried to
Speaker 2: sing Garth Brooks out of his mind. But then with
Speaker 2: the shooting, that was awful. That is like such an
Speaker 2: awful thing. I don't want to get deep into it.
Speaker 2: There's nothing more to say. We live in a fucked
Speaker 2: up place and that's so fucked but that happened, that
Speaker 2: lives are lost, and that, you know, I hope we
Speaker 2: can enjoy these parades in the future. It's just like
Speaker 2: it's really upsetting. But then people were mad that the
Speaker 2: players went out to dinner, and it's like they are
Speaker 2: also traumatized, like this happened at their parade.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like like when that thing happened in Ariana Grande's
Speaker 2: concert that fucks you up. Like they people were like,
Speaker 2: how dare you go to dinner, and it's like they
Speaker 2: also were in a parade where there was people getting shot,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. Yeah, it's the internet thing, but
Speaker 2: that I wish I didn't even bring up the shooting.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying he was more itchy their blackout
Speaker 2: drunk could not stand trying to sing Garth Brooks on
Speaker 2: the stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye see, it was crazy. But these guys work
Speaker 3: so hard.
Speaker 2: I mean you're pretty much sober and working hard for
Speaker 2: eight months.
Speaker 3: Like even the game.
Speaker 2: That you watched, not knowing much, you could tell that
Speaker 2: was a grueling game. Yeah, or not at all. No,
Speaker 2: it looked hard. I mean, I don't know what always
Speaker 2: looks fucking hard. I don't know how to play any
Speaker 2: of these games. You played football, yeah, but not like
Speaker 2: the speed and the hard Like these guys just get
Speaker 2: so knocked around. But I had a great time in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I'm also just loving New York. I mean, good, good,
Speaker 2: It has been really fun, but I have not I've
Speaker 2: maybe unpacked three boxes, like I am living amongst full boxes.
Speaker 3: Wait when did everything get there? Did it get there
Speaker 3: before you left?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Got there on the thirteenth. Okay, I would say.
Speaker 2: The foreman in the New York office is not as
Speaker 2: friendly and charming as our La counterheart. So then I
Speaker 2: left town for two days. Bless everyone that I got
Speaker 2: to see in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: I want to know about the all nude review or
Speaker 1: not nude but you know what I mean, the mail
Speaker 1: strip show or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 2: It was mail review, but I mean one guy did
Speaker 2: flop his dick up and down like in his little
Speaker 2: you know, underwear. Yeah, but not full nude. At first,
Speaker 2: it was like what, oh god, what is going on?
Speaker 2: But then once I started drinking tequila and getting into
Speaker 2: it and just walking around the tables with a microphone
Speaker 2: instead of trying to like interact on stage, it was
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 3: The guys were the best.
Speaker 2: The guys said that they made the most money they've
Speaker 2: ever made on a weeknight because of me, because they
Speaker 2: were like, if there's a way that you can like
Speaker 2: remind people to tip and then they were like, wow,
Speaker 2: you were really blunt with that, because all I just
Speaker 2: said was like, who needs singles?
Speaker 3: Give them more money, go to an ATM, you dumb bitches.
Speaker 3: I got titched out. I got seventy dollars given to
Speaker 3: me by someone. And you didn't have to take off
Speaker 3: a stitch. No.
Speaker 2: They tried to put a pretzel bread in my mouth.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not choking down a pretzel bird. You
Speaker 2: guys are sick. But they were also selling fifteen dollars
Speaker 2: cans of whipped cream and these guys were getting lit.
Speaker 3: Oh. But also I was like, uh, what are these
Speaker 3: guys gonna be?
Speaker 2: Like? I kind of had like porn star energy in
Speaker 2: my brain, and those guys like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but they were mostly gay. Yeah, four another
Speaker 2: five were gay. So I just felt right at home,
Speaker 2: just friendly, friendly faces and voices, and I did enjoy that.
Speaker 2: And then one guy was straight who I think got
Speaker 2: maybe seventeen numbers, like he black Diamond, Black Diamond was
Speaker 2: up and around and he was getting it. When you're
Speaker 2: the one straight, you're gonna Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've only ever been to Olympic gardens in Vegas for
Speaker 1: a bachelorette party, and I think I've told you about
Speaker 1: it before.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit too intense for me.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of dry humping, so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of I would honestly rather
Speaker 1: watch women strip or do sexy dancing than men, even
Speaker 1: though I am straight, so.
Speaker 2: A hundred percent these guys would walk around, they would
Speaker 2: flip the women over. I mean, talented talents of guys.
Speaker 2: And then the next day it was like stand up
Speaker 2: people came. It was it was a thrill. It was
Speaker 2: a thrill. I don't know, amazing. Everything's been fun. But
Speaker 2: then I came back and like the thirteenth, I unpacked
Speaker 2: some boxes. But since i've been back, it's like it's
Speaker 2: truly go, go go. I'm getting ten thousand steps without
Speaker 2: even trying or thinking about it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I have too many plans, too many things, too many spots.
Speaker 2: I'm doing five spots a night on the weekends. It's
Speaker 2: just like, oh yeah, wild, that's great. It is really great,
Speaker 2: except I need to unpack a box now.
Speaker 3: But my friend, you know, Juliet, will come over and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will get You just have to be
Speaker 1: in the mindset to like do it all.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's the opposite. I think it's no. No,
Speaker 3: I don't do it all at once.
Speaker 1: I mean you got to be in the mindset to
Speaker 1: like plan it out, like what's every day? Where's everything
Speaker 1: goingna go? What's it gonna look like? Like sort of
Speaker 1: you know, sit down and really do a plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I need to organize a I just whatever,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I'm like thrilled.
Speaker 2: And I had been having so much trouble with my locks,
Speaker 2: like I'm just really bad at keys and locks, and
Speaker 2: like sometimes it would take me ten minutes to just
Speaker 2: get into the doors, like I just could not figure
Speaker 2: it out. And then thank goodness, I met a girl
Speaker 2: in the doorway while I was stuck, and I go, girl,
Speaker 2: I keep getting stuck in here, like, can you give
Speaker 2: me a clue? Yeah, And she gave me the tidbit
Speaker 2: I needed of my dreams and now, oh, I'm getting
Speaker 2: in and out of this apartment.
Speaker 3: Smooth, amazing. She unlocked the code literally for you, all right,
Speaker 3: that's great.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I live next to an h Mart. You
Speaker 2: know how, I'm obsessed with Korean convenience store tiktoks.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that, but cool.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So it's like women going to convenience stores
Speaker 2: and then they like buy little cute lunches and like
Speaker 2: drinks and then they put it in ice whatever. I
Speaker 2: live next to an Asian food store called h Mart,
Speaker 2: so I straight up get to buy those triangle rice
Speaker 2: things with like tuna inside and seaweed, and I got.
Speaker 2: I had a honeydew melon drink. I had banana flavored chips.
Speaker 2: It's right near me, Like, I'm so excited, yay.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to come and get a full tour,
Speaker 1: full tour of the h Mark. Yeah, baby, and your
Speaker 1: whole hood. You got to take me to. I'm sure
Speaker 1: everything's different. I used to be in that neighborhood every
Speaker 1: single week multiple times. I'm sure everything's changed. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, you know, no like businesses wise, like there's
Speaker 1: not new places.
Speaker 3: Mermaidens closed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure, but I don't think it's like
Speaker 2: that drastically different.
Speaker 1: You know, is anything in the old cabin or is
Speaker 1: it still just the shell of cabin.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember the exact address of cabin, so
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like on fifth and second or fourth, Okay, one
Speaker 1: of those.
Speaker 3: It's right down there. But you're also on the road.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for mentioning that, Cara. So, in a
Speaker 2: wild turn of events, i am heading into my alma mater.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a free show. The link should be up.
Speaker 2: People kept messaging me, but it's fucking free. Just show up.
Speaker 2: It's at Iowa State. I'm so fucking excited to be there,
Speaker 2: so that'll be all what day on February twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: leap year, so it's extra special.
Speaker 3: February twenty ninth, Oh my god, it's extra special.
Speaker 2: And Sydney Washington will be opening for me, so that'll
Speaker 2: be really fun. And then March fourteenth through sixteenth, I'm
Speaker 2: at the Philadelphia Punchline. March twenty second through the twenty third,
Speaker 2: I'm in Rochester, New York. All right, the March twenty seventh, Nashville,
Speaker 2: March twenty eighth through the thirtieth, Chicago, and then April
Speaker 2: we got like you know, Washington State, Baltimore, Austin, New Orleans, Kansas.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 2: Oh my New Orleans is actually getting moved to June.
Speaker 1: So okay, well you can go to That's messed up
Speaker 1: live dot com and go down to the Lisa's website link,
Speaker 1: and that takes you to like all the legit ticket
Speaker 1: links that are on Lisa's thing, So go see her
Speaker 1: do stand up.
Speaker 3: And we will let you know when we're back on
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you want a little bit of
Speaker 1: extra of us, go get some of our merch on
Speaker 1: the merch store. That's also what that that's messed up
Speaker 1: live dot com website.
Speaker 3: You can go to our shop.
Speaker 1: Link, and we added a couple of items that we
Speaker 1: were selling exclusively on tour. We sort of put the
Speaker 1: rest of them up on the website. So now you
Speaker 1: can get fanny pack, you can get a tour sticker,
Speaker 1: you can get a little enamel pin, you can get
Speaker 1: a sticker sheet. There's all kinds of stuff new that's
Speaker 1: really like sort of more affordable, low price stuff that's
Speaker 1: up on our exactly right store.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, I am running into our listeners all over New
Speaker 2: York City. I am, and the person I ran into
Speaker 2: at soul Cycle, I was high out of my mind,
Speaker 2: So sorry if I wasn't as active, but that is
Speaker 2: what I need to push myself through the day.
Speaker 3: But it was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm running into a lot of our listeners all over.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some came to the show and I had some SUW
Speaker 2: friendship bracelets that I got to share with someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so it's been really exciting. You guys are
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I posted a photo of Scary Island because
Speaker 1: I forgot that I was on. I was literally on
Speaker 1: the beach from Scary Island, like I was on the
Speaker 1: Johann Face Johann Face beach, and I completely forgot Saint
Speaker 1: John is where they went. I think I thought they
Speaker 1: were in Saint Bart's or something. And then a listener
Speaker 1: was like, I know exactly where you are.
Speaker 3: I was, I can't believe we have listeners in the
Speaker 3: Virgin Islands. It's really wild. You guys are the best.
Speaker 1: Keep stalking Lisa all over New York and me all
Speaker 1: over LA, but just at Target because that's the only
Speaker 1: time I ever see any of you. And if you
Speaker 1: have a moment, follow us on Instagram where that's messed
Speaker 1: up pod there, follow us on I mean, don't follow
Speaker 1: us on X.
Speaker 3: I want to get rid of that anyway.
Speaker 1: If you feel strongly about us staying on X, let
Speaker 1: me know, but I want to get off and then
Speaker 1: rate us, review us wherever.
Speaker 3: You do it, Get off, Get off.
Speaker 1: I know I want to just get off because a
Speaker 1: few people interact with us there and they're nice, So
Speaker 1: I'm like, why, you know, why don't I just But
Speaker 1: it's like, come over and see us on Instagram. We're
Speaker 1: with a different cycle millionaire over the bazillionaire over there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, give us a review on Spotify or Apple
Speaker 1: if you can.
Speaker 3: We love it.
Speaker 2: They're all evil and I think, you know, Mark Zuckerberger,
Speaker 2: should we tried for war crimes? That is one of
Speaker 2: my you know opinions. Yeah, the guillotine where he gets hung.
Speaker 2: We heard, yeah, yeah, that is a constant for me.
Speaker 2: But everyone thinks he's a dork. You know, everyone's like boo.
Speaker 2: That's the thing with Elon Musk. There's people who think
Speaker 2: he's cool. It's so said.
Speaker 1: The people that think he's cool are the saddest. That's
Speaker 1: really sad. That's really fucking sad.
Speaker 2: That's why he's like more data. It's just like, it's
Speaker 2: really crazy. It was actually annoyed. A fucking clip of
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan showed up in my shit that bothered me
Speaker 2: where he was just like, California's just got too liberal.
Speaker 3: It's just too liberal.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm more in the middle now, I'm more
Speaker 2: in the middle. It's like, living in an anti abortion
Speaker 2: state is not middle. You are waging war on women
Speaker 2: like you are not middle. Like, I don't understand how
Speaker 2: you can think being in an anti abortion state is
Speaker 2: in the middle of anything.
Speaker 1: They don't mean for those of you that live in
Speaker 1: anti abortion states, we're talking about a bazillionaire who could
Speaker 1: live wherever he wants.
Speaker 2: I just like, don't know how that's middle, Like, it
Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense, like what people think it like
Speaker 2: moderate is We've talked about that. It's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you guys are actually in the fringe of society. And
Speaker 2: I just saw a thing. I did not fact check it,
Speaker 2: so please do not come for me. But it was
Speaker 2: basically like this dude, his wife or girlfriend got pregnant
Speaker 2: and he didn't want her to be so he was
Speaker 2: poisoned her with some abortion pill right in her water.
Speaker 2: Slowly she got suspicious and so she put hidden cameras
Speaker 2: in she saw that she was poisoning. He whatever if
Speaker 2: she she went to the hot She gave birth to
Speaker 2: a baby ten weeks premature who did have a lot
Speaker 2: of birth defects. Right, if she took the abortion pill
Speaker 2: and that was on her own, she would be facing
Speaker 2: life in prison. Yeah, this man who poisoned her and
Speaker 2: did this got one hundred and eighty days gross. And
Speaker 2: that's the moderate society that these fucking Austin rich people.
Speaker 2: My fucking fitness influencer moved to Austin and had the balls.
Speaker 3: Did I already talk about this? Would me? I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've talked about it here, but you've told
Speaker 3: me about that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: On her YouTube because I was like, oh, why are
Speaker 2: they moving? So I watched her YouTube podcast episode and
Speaker 2: basically she was just like, well, we want to have
Speaker 2: a family and it's just more family friendly. I'm like,
Speaker 2: Texas is the least family friendly place you can be,
Speaker 2: Like what is family friendly to you? Like?
Speaker 3: What are you fucking talking about?
Speaker 1: No, she doesn't want money to it's taxes, Like he's
Speaker 1: like moving to these places for tax purposes?
Speaker 2: Do have the balls to say it is family friendly?
Speaker 2: And then she did like a question thing on her
Speaker 2: Instagram and I go, how do you you're trying to
Speaker 2: get pregnant?
Speaker 3: You talk about how you're actively.
Speaker 2: Trying to get pregnant and you are going to a
Speaker 2: place that you can go to prison for having a miscarriage,
Speaker 2: and you're saying that's a family friendly state.
Speaker 3: It's just like it infuriates men.
Speaker 1: She has the money to fly wherever the fuck. She
Speaker 1: needs to get her own medical care, you know, so
Speaker 1: she doesn't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the homeless situation in Venice, I gotta get out
Speaker 2: of here. And it's like, honestly, you could probably solve it.
Speaker 2: You can buy a property and you can like make
Speaker 2: homes and then have like you can do that. Rich
Speaker 2: people complaining about the homeless in la is disgusting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those Caruso freaks, those Beverly Hills people like. It is like,
Speaker 2: you guys can actually solve the homelessness if you really
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 1: I know, still don't I know it, But listen, what
Speaker 1: got a great show for you guys today?
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 3: We also had so much to catch up on it.
Speaker 2: Now I feel like I'm crazy, but whatever, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about Traders next week.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm fully I don't watch it, but we talked
Speaker 1: to a lot on the trip because Rachel watches it,
Speaker 1: so I know a lot of information.
Speaker 3: Now you should just watch it. You would like it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know, I would love it. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, where I gotta find the time. But
Speaker 1: like I got all that I like was asking all
Speaker 1: these questions.
Speaker 3: Are you caught up on drag Race? Oh? Yes, who's
Speaker 3: your favorite?
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of feel like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: between Sephira and maybe Nymphia in the end.
Speaker 3: But I like those two.
Speaker 2: Nymphias the Banana right, Yeah, I'm Nymphia all the way
Speaker 2: You're Nymphia and Sephira.
Speaker 1: Sephira's got like the vibe of like perfection from the beginning.
Speaker 3: And Plain Jane that's my top three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Plain Jane is good and she is such a bitch,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to like get around to like liking
Speaker 1: the bitchiness.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I feel like it's I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, who are the bitches from past drag Race
Speaker 1: that I like, Mistress. There's bitches like I don't mind Mistress,
Speaker 1: I don't mind Roxy Andrews, even or Bianca was a
Speaker 1: bitch a lot. You know, Like there's just something about
Speaker 1: planin Jene that seems like so much like more evil.
Speaker 2: Well, she has the history of the season, so she's
Speaker 2: playing a game. I mean she's straight up gotten to
Speaker 2: Nymphia's I mean, like unless that's editing. I mean Sephia
Speaker 2: has had to use the potion. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. She is there to play a game and
Speaker 2: fuck around and cause chaos, and that's what she's come
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: So it's like she's definitely great. She's great for the show.
Speaker 2: You know, Roxy, I don't think realize she was so
Speaker 2: cunty and I think she feels bad how she treated Jinx,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But like this bitch came
Speaker 2: to be a bitch. Yeah, Roxy had trauma, but so
Speaker 2: does she. I mean, so does playing Ene. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: my Russian Jew and I'm cheering.
Speaker 3: For her of course, of course, no I know. And
Speaker 3: she is sexy, like I'm sorry she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she does great. She she has a great face.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little bit sick of the titty
Speaker 1: bibs to be honest me too.
Speaker 3: I don't like fake titties. I really like you. Oh
Speaker 3: I like you. I really like you. She's good.
Speaker 2: So maybe I want a top four. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 2: how those go. But those are the faves.
Speaker 1: But I mean Magami going home this week, I was like,
Speaker 1: this should have been a while ago, Like, I feel
Speaker 1: like mcgommy's not been bringing it the whole time.
Speaker 2: Who called me e or that was? That was perfect?
Speaker 2: Whoever called her?
Speaker 1: I knew Magami was gonna go home because they kept
Speaker 1: they kept showing her talking so much shit in the confessionals.
Speaker 1: It's like I love watching people struggle, and it's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: you're going home.
Speaker 2: Well, and she was like, this is an emotional song
Speaker 2: and I gotta sell it, and then completely misread the
Speaker 2: emotions of the song Flowers. The whole point of Flowers
Speaker 2: by Miley Cyrus is like I can get flowers. I
Speaker 2: am free, I don't need no man. I am out,
Speaker 2: I'm dancing. My life is amazing. Yeah, I'm in Malibu.
Speaker 2: It's like joy than she played it like oh.
Speaker 3: Like she looked pain.
Speaker 1: She played it like a woman on a balcony, like
Speaker 1: about to jump, like she truly did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maya has to be kicked off though immediately. Maya
Speaker 2: I think should have gone home before Mogami.
Speaker 3: Maya. No, her lip syncs are better, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the lip sync is like she's she's getting the
Speaker 1: ellipseync assassin stuff. But Tricksy's obsessed with her share imitation
Speaker 1: because she goes I I'm sure like she does this
Speaker 1: like crazy share imitation that sounds like kermit. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: feel like Annalise has made a thirty minute flag.
Speaker 3: We have to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is, and we have a great episode
Speaker 1: one I've been wanting to do.
Speaker 3: It just went crazy at the end, and that's what
Speaker 3: I have to do.
Speaker 2: I'm going to delete Instagram off my phone right now
Speaker 2: on this podcast live that is.
Speaker 3: I think that's Oh, you're doing it right now.
Speaker 2: I have to remove the app by delete app, okay, delete,
Speaker 2: because that's where my rage comes from. I get fed
Speaker 2: this information that upsets me, and then I come on
Speaker 2: here and I yell instead of moving on to a
Speaker 2: horrific crime episode that haunts us forever.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, why am I talking about Elon Musk and being
Speaker 2: mad and about Texas went? I also care, But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's my phone that gets me raged.
Speaker 3: It's gone. I deleted it again. Don't DM me okay
Speaker 3: once again.
Speaker 1: I'll be fielding all of Liza's dms over at the
Speaker 1: dast messed up pod account. We will see you there, guys,
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. Great up coming up.
Speaker 2: All right, we are doing Townhouse Incident from season seventeen,
Speaker 2: and this is an episode I would say Kara has
Speaker 2: been dying to do.
Speaker 3: I mean a while.
Speaker 1: I hate to say that because I feel it is
Speaker 1: one of the most haunting, one of the most fucked up,
Speaker 1: But I think I just wanted to cover the crime
Speaker 1: because of where I'm from, which is also deeply fucked up.
Speaker 1: But I'm a sick person. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: You guys know that if you're listening.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, And the reason it took so long is
Speaker 2: because we had to wait for every single actor from
Speaker 2: this episode to say no to be a guest. So surprise,
Speaker 2: there is no guests on this episode. So this is
Speaker 2: a new era of our show. Guest no guest surprises.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, so Townhouse Incident, and I guess we
Speaker 2: will do a trigger warning. This one is really upsetting.
Speaker 2: This one's upsetting. You're all upsetting, but this one is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one has a lot of wild details that
Speaker 1: are upsetting.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: And also anytime we see our queen in distress, it
Speaker 2: adds well, That's what I.
Speaker 3: Was going to say too.
Speaker 1: This is very hot off of William Lewis, which was
Speaker 1: season fourteen fifteen. It's like, you only gave us season
Speaker 1: sixteen to chill and she's.
Speaker 3: Already a bit chill. There was Johnny D. It was like, oh,
Speaker 3: not chill, but not.
Speaker 1: I guess her being held against her will, like they
Speaker 1: give us like no time to breathe before she's back. Anyway,
Speaker 1: not to spoil, but you're getting.
Speaker 2: You're way hold on, give me a second, let me
Speaker 2: go grab my snapple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in New York. Oh you bitch.
Speaker 2: So this starts out with a woman walking and you
Speaker 2: can recognize her anywhere. That's the babysitter extraordinaire. It is
Speaker 2: Lucy and she's strutting, She's really strutting. And then she
Speaker 2: heads up the stairs of a brown stone knock, knock.
Speaker 2: A woman answers, ye, Lucy, hi, and the mom was
Speaker 2: only opening this door just like a little crack. So sorry,
Speaker 2: I meant to text you, but Luca has straps, so
Speaker 2: you're out of here. But like she does, Lucy does
Speaker 2: get a vibe. She does everything okay, and then we
Speaker 2: hear a man from the distance yell fine, it's fine,
Speaker 2: you know no every So this man yells and she says, oh,
Speaker 2: that's my husband. He's helping out today and that makes
Speaker 2: Lucy suspicious. And so when she gets to Benson's place,
Speaker 2: she goes.
Speaker 1: Hey, really quick, really quick, do you know who the
Speaker 1: mom is playing her?
Speaker 3: Yes, she is from the episode.
Speaker 1: Send In the Clowns, Send In the Clowns. Oh, I
Speaker 1: only brought it up because you love her name. Her
Speaker 1: name is Wendy Hoops, and I know you liked that
Speaker 1: name when we covered Sending the Clowns. She's the one
Speaker 1: that's married to will Sasso, but it's been cheating on
Speaker 1: his ass.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was also in one sex in the City episode
Speaker 2: Do they shoot single people, don't they?
Speaker 3: Or whatever? That one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also she is huge and Daria, so she's
Speaker 2: Quinn and Helen, so Daria's mom and sister. And she
Speaker 2: is Jane Laane, so yeah, she is a cool woman.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so Lucy's with Benson and goes, hey, you
Speaker 2: know the Cravellos or Cervello's I already don't remember how
Speaker 2: to say it.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: They have two kids, and she walks to the younger
Speaker 2: boy to school, and this morning the mom was acting strange.
Speaker 3: Something is off, and she goes, you.
Speaker 2: Know, shaky voice, redmarks, nervous, yelling can you just please
Speaker 2: swing by? Benson of course, very passionate about her job
Speaker 2: and keeping her babysitter happy.
Speaker 3: This woman is a very amazing babysitter.
Speaker 2: Lisa opens the door and she goes, oh, Noah's mom,
Speaker 2: And right away she's like, Lucy isn't here, and Luca's sick,
Speaker 2: so that's that.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: Benson is trying to talk, She's trying to pry ask
Speaker 2: some questions, and we hear a man whisper go let
Speaker 2: her in. Very upsetting. She's pushed against the wall immediately
Speaker 2: with a gun. There's a woman with a gun as well.
Speaker 2: She calls Benson a bitch, and then there's a teen
Speaker 2: daughter crying. She's standing by the stairs, and Benson's like,
Speaker 2: fuck Lucy, like, oh my god. And then Lisa apologizes
Speaker 2: to Benson. She obviously feels guilty. But in my head,
Speaker 2: why do you keep opening the door?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: If I was holding people a hostage, I would not
Speaker 2: open the door. I think, I don't know, I've never
Speaker 2: done it, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the guy keeps being like, open
Speaker 1: it and send them away so that it doesn't feel suspicious,
Speaker 1: like because if you go over to someone's house and
Speaker 1: knock on the door and you can't find a family,
Speaker 1: then you're then you might call the cops.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get the mind inside the mind of
Speaker 1: a very drugged out blacko.
Speaker 2: So it's the drugs, because in my head I would
Speaker 2: not answer the door. Yeah, but you know whatever. But
Speaker 2: it goes to credits, obviously, and I'm scared. These people
Speaker 2: are unhinged, and now we are trapped in this townhouse.
Speaker 2: We open back up and there's another man in a
Speaker 2: beanie and he pops into frame. And this guy you
Speaker 2: might remember him from Orange's New Black. He was the
Speaker 2: guard who was like Tarren Manning's character's love interests but
Speaker 2: then rapists, criminal, controlling, and also he's a prison guard,
Speaker 2: so any.
Speaker 3: Sexual stuff is rape.
Speaker 2: But they did and the beginning really tease it into
Speaker 2: being like the sweet friendship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then it until it wasn't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: until it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But he plays kind of the same kind of guy here,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm a good old idiot.
Speaker 3: But there is a gun there.
Speaker 1: And he's in another episode where they beat up homeless
Speaker 1: people because his girlfriend's dad. You know, it was like
Speaker 1: a red hairring of another episode we covered.
Speaker 2: Oh you know how like Taylor Swift's website crashed the
Speaker 2: night of the Grammys to like with all these clues
Speaker 2: towards for the album, like all the clues come together
Speaker 2: in different languages spelled out red herring or something like that,
Speaker 2: like a Japanese Like, shit's insane. She is so insane.
Speaker 2: I mean she does love SVU. It makes sense.
Speaker 3: There's clues, there are there is detective work. There is
Speaker 3: a spell backwards. I'm gonna get it written on a door.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know those iren the like straightener They look like straighteners,
Speaker 2: but they're just smooth out clothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw an Instagram targeted ad and it's iron backwards.
Speaker 3: It's Nori. Oh fucking like we got you.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, they told me. They told me the video.
Speaker 2: I did not come up with that on my own.
Speaker 2: And he legit walks in AND's like, who is this bitch?
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks Benson's a bitch. She's just a woman, and
Speaker 2: then everyone has like guns on her. Her hands are
Speaker 2: in the air, and she's like, I'm only here by
Speaker 2: a chance, but I do have to admit to you
Speaker 2: I am an NYPD officer, and she admits to being armed.
Speaker 3: He takes off her gun.
Speaker 2: He's looking for another gun, and while he's there, he
Speaker 2: does grop her and then they ask Lisa, like why
Speaker 2: won't your man just cough it up? And so she
Speaker 2: go and like give us the money, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I told you, we don't keep cash in the house.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's like, why would you lie? If
Speaker 2: I had three guns pointing and my children there, I
Speaker 2: would give you my safe. I'd give you diamonds, I'd
Speaker 2: give you my cash.
Speaker 3: Like in what world?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're gonna find out carroty Met said it.
Speaker 2: They're on drugs. They're on drugs. They keep trying to
Speaker 2: be like, well no, I keep trying to be like
Speaker 2: why would this man, Like why would they risk their
Speaker 2: children's lives for a safe? Like they don't have a
Speaker 2: safe here, Like grab some jewels, grab a toaster, and
Speaker 2: run out the door. Like it's a failed plot, like
Speaker 2: go to the next townhouse. This is out of control.
Speaker 2: There's so many guns. Anyways, so the red haired woman
Speaker 2: throws Lisa onto the ground. The pale guy says, kick
Speaker 2: his ass until he coughs it up, and so the
Speaker 2: beanie guy goes and just keeps kicking the shit out
Speaker 2: of this bloody dad. That's like laying in the kitchen
Speaker 2: and it's hard to listen to like the cough, like
Speaker 2: it's not good.
Speaker 1: So because like even if the dad was being a man,
Speaker 1: the wife would be like, stop, the safe is here,
Speaker 1: here's the combo, like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: even if a man was trying to be like tough
Speaker 1: and like, I can handle being beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of Like, but yeah, the kids, you're right, it makes
Speaker 1: no fucking sense.
Speaker 3: But drugs. Drugs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we have so the dad's getting beat
Speaker 2: up by the beanie boy. We have the mom got
Speaker 2: thrown on the ground, the teen girl is standing, we
Speaker 2: don't know where Luca is, and Benson's against the door,
Speaker 2: so that's where we are. He asks who else knows
Speaker 2: you're here? She says nobody. They don't believe her, but
Speaker 2: sadly it is the truth. Nobody fuck, I mean, Lucy knows,
Speaker 2: but it's yeah. So then there's like tears in her
Speaker 2: eyes and then the drugged up guy tells Roxy to
Speaker 2: tie her up, and Benson tries to negotiate, and instead
Speaker 2: he punches the shit out of her. So now she's
Speaker 2: in the ground, like her hair is everywhere. She is bewildered.
Speaker 2: This is not a good day. A very big punch.
Speaker 2: And then so this the lead guy. He looks like
Speaker 2: he has johndice. He is not doing good.
Speaker 3: It is I don't know what they did for makeup
Speaker 3: for him. He's got red eyes like very scary, like.
Speaker 2: Gross like and the daughter is visibly scared. And so
Speaker 2: then now we cut to Baby Dodds and this is
Speaker 2: so annoying. We don't want to see any of this,
Speaker 2: Like we want to be in the townhouse, but we
Speaker 2: don't because it's scary. But like, everything that happens is
Speaker 2: so fucking annoying.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: We go to Baby Dodds and Finn and they talk
Speaker 2: boxing and then Creasy interrupts him and is like, hey,
Speaker 2: where's live We got a call, and dodd says, well,
Speaker 2: she's gone for the day. Fuck at a conference. So
Speaker 2: she's supposed to be at a DNA conference, so that's
Speaker 2: extra bad. And then Carreese is like, looks like our
Speaker 2: pushin rapists struck again in Chelsea, so we're gonna go
Speaker 2: find this rapist and he says, well, I'll text Benson
Speaker 2: when I get to the sea and just to let
Speaker 2: her know what's up. So then it cuts to the
Speaker 2: dad again getting the shit beat out of him, and
Speaker 2: at this point, why won't you believe him?
Speaker 3: He is so bloody.
Speaker 2: So then the jaundice guy yells at the beanie guy
Speaker 2: and goes, you said there'd be a safe with money.
Speaker 2: They own ten supermarkets. So the beanie guy has a
Speaker 2: different idea and he's like, listen, Roxy's upstairs taking the jewelry.
Speaker 2: Let's just leave. After that, the leader, of course, is like,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. You said there's a safe, you need to
Speaker 2: go find it. So the mom whispers to Benson, like
Speaker 2: how this all happened? And basically the girl rang the
Speaker 2: doorbell at six am saying she was robbed, and then
Speaker 2: when Lisa turned around to call nine one one, the
Speaker 2: men burst in. She does know the guy in the
Speaker 2: beanie his name is Ralph, and he used to drive
Speaker 2: a truck at one of their stores and he did
Speaker 2: get fired, and then she doesn't know anyone else, and
Speaker 2: then Luca is upstairs and why and then so but
Speaker 2: then she's getting nervous because like, why is Roxy up
Speaker 2: there for so long?
Speaker 3: You know? And so Johndice is.
Speaker 2: Doing coke at the moment in the middle of this
Speaker 2: is not the time to do cocaine. But the beanie
Speaker 2: guy is super, super worried, and he's like, on this
Speaker 2: goose chase for the safe that he probably made up
Speaker 2: in his head.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's coke or if it's like meth.
Speaker 1: He seems like really wild for coke.
Speaker 3: You're right, but it looked like he was. But do
Speaker 3: you sniff up meth? I think you can.
Speaker 2: You can snort meth, but I don't know. I'm only
Speaker 2: going off of breaking bad.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it is really tough.
Speaker 2: So then a leader with Benson's phone sees a text
Speaker 2: on her phone and it's about a rapist and she's like,
Speaker 2: can I please see it? And Benson has a black guy.
Speaker 2: It's tough. So Roxy comes down with just two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars and it's crap jewels, and they don't trust the mom.
Speaker 2: They're like, what the fuck? We know you're rich, like
Speaker 2: you live in this townhouse. So they threaten to bring
Speaker 2: her son down and so finally the mom's like, well,
Speaker 2: we have a safety deposit box. So then they decided
Speaker 2: to take the mom into the public, into the bank.
Speaker 2: So now we cut back to baby Dodds and he's
Speaker 2: with Finn and there with a couple. A woman is
Speaker 2: crying and the husband is actually a man that we know.
Speaker 2: His name is Tommy Pope and shot out he's a
Speaker 2: comic from Philly.
Speaker 1: Oh I know I recognized him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So now we finally meet the young boy.
Speaker 2: He's tied up and he's like, where's my mom And
Speaker 2: Benson's like, it's okay, sweetheart, She's okay. And the boy
Speaker 2: it's like, no one knows who you are, Benson. This
Speaker 2: boy's been tied up, like he doesn't know you're You're
Speaker 2: a random woman that's just punched and brought in.
Speaker 3: Like who here's what you're saying, you know.
Speaker 2: And he unfortunately also has the pee and he's tied
Speaker 2: up and Benson's like, hey, can I please help him
Speaker 2: in the co head is like absolutely not. So he
Speaker 2: puts her on the bed and then asks Roxy for
Speaker 2: something and zip ties Benson's hands behind her back.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: So now we're at the apartment with you know, the
Speaker 2: other squad people and they're on the roof looking for
Speaker 2: this rapist who climbs buildings and attack. So they find
Speaker 2: him up there and they arrest him and they text
Speaker 2: Benson like, Heley, yeah, we got the rapists. So he
Speaker 2: wants to celebrate and pulls out a knife, so that's
Speaker 2: not good, and then he just goes any meany miney
Speaker 2: and then he ends in Hoe, so he's trying to
Speaker 2: be clever and menacing puts a knife to the young
Speaker 2: teen and she is so scared and she's pleading for
Speaker 2: help and she's screaming, and Benson's like, Roxy, fucking do something.
Speaker 3: Go in there.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, Roxy, this is on you, like, let
Speaker 2: me back in there, and she keeps trying to plead
Speaker 2: with Roxy, who then pistol whips her and so she
Speaker 2: falls back on the bed. Pistol whipping is not chill.
Speaker 3: And then the.
Speaker 2: Ginger bitch puts a gun to the Benson's chin and goes,
Speaker 2: don't do that again. So we hear the teen like
Speaker 2: pleading for help on the other side, and she's with
Speaker 2: like the Jarndice cokead with a knife. Benson looks worried
Speaker 2: and pissed and this is terrible and it's just getting worse,
Speaker 2: and the music sounds like tasers which also isn't good,
Speaker 2: Like instrumental already is scary, and now it's like a
Speaker 2: techno taser, so I'm not I it's it's not relaxed.
Speaker 1: But what's also crazy is like at this point, the
Speaker 1: Ginger reveals that they're a couple. Jaundice and the redhead
Speaker 1: Roxy and the and cooked Jaundice as you've been calling him.
Speaker 3: Are a couple.
Speaker 1: And then Beanie is her brother, So that's the gang.
Speaker 1: And it's just like you're just gonna go let your
Speaker 1: boyfriend go assault a team while you're hanging out keeping guard.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I also don't see I mean, she
Speaker 2: they obviously all love drugs, but like he's the only
Speaker 2: one actively doing drugs dah that you see. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess the rest of them are more professional robbers else
Speaker 2: they like.
Speaker 3: To stay clear headed.
Speaker 2: So we're, you know, at the precinct now, and the
Speaker 2: rapists that they got from the roof is like, you
Speaker 2: have the wrong guy, I'm gonna assue you, and Finn
Speaker 2: Increasy are leading him handcuffed like shut up, we have
Speaker 2: DNA evidence, and he just says lawyer.
Speaker 3: So we're back at the townhouse.
Speaker 2: The boy I like that it is in short snippets
Speaker 2: like it does make me in a rage every time
Speaker 2: we leave into that stupid storyline, Like I'm like, can
Speaker 2: we just can we just get them to find out
Speaker 2: that she's been taken?
Speaker 3: But you know whatever.
Speaker 2: So the boy is yelling to Benson, he's hurting her,
Speaker 2: make him stop, like he has to fucking listen to
Speaker 2: sister getting assaulted right now. And then Roxy yells at
Speaker 2: him to shut the fuck up and for Benson to
Speaker 2: do something, and it's like, well, why don't you untie me,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. Did I not tell you that I
Speaker 2: was gonna like help? And Benson goes, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do anything stupid, Just let me help the boy. So
Speaker 2: she takes the knife. She unties the boy, and she
Speaker 2: unties Benson and goes get him quiet, so she comforts him,
Speaker 2: she hugs him, she helps him breathe, and then she
Speaker 2: finds headphones in an iPad and she puts it on
Speaker 2: for him, and Roxy is amazed at her skills. Benson's like, girl,
Speaker 2: I know this isn't the way you wanted this to
Speaker 2: go down, and she snaps, you don't know me, and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I fucking know that you don't want
Speaker 2: to hear your boyfriend raping a sixteen year old. And
Speaker 2: she's like, Joe does what he does, and I do
Speaker 2: what I do. Cool answer, yeah. So then Benson whispers
Speaker 2: you can save yourself, and she asks if Benson is
Speaker 2: mother's and then and then goes, I don't need you.
Speaker 2: I've been saved by Joe. Okay, it seems like you're
Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble. So anyways, the phone rings,
Speaker 2: Roxy grabs it while still having the gun pointed at
Speaker 2: Benson and asks who the fuck is Lucy. She goes, oh,
Speaker 2: that's mine and Luca sitter. She needs me and let
Speaker 2: me talk to her. I got a chat about daycare pickup,
Speaker 2: Roxy thinks, and we cut back to the case we
Speaker 2: don't care about. A lawyer comes in and is like, wow,
Speaker 2: another unarmed black man. I guess we should be grateful
Speaker 2: you didn't shoot him, and Finn's like, nah, he had
Speaker 2: a gun. And then he goes, oh, yeah, did you
Speaker 2: plant it? And Barbara's with Finn and baby Dods and
Speaker 2: he says, don't troll. This is your client's third rape
Speaker 2: and we have evidence and he so then this lawyer
Speaker 2: goes I'm going to go talk to my client. So
Speaker 2: he runs in there and Barbara asks where I live
Speaker 2: is and Finn goes, oh, at this DNA conference and
Speaker 2: Barba goes, no, she was not. I was there all morning, done, done,
Speaker 2: So what's going on?
Speaker 3: Also? What is a DNA conference? I thought I was
Speaker 3: gonna rape kids? But now that Barba there, why is
Speaker 3: he there? Yeah? New a guess in DNA. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess Barbarush couldn't learn about rape kits too, Okay,
Speaker 2: so they all take a breath in. Lucy is now
Speaker 2: running in to talk to Detective Creasy and he's so
Speaker 2: charming and she is so stressed. So she is shocked
Speaker 2: to hear that Benson is not there, and she's like,
Speaker 2: that's not good. I sent her to check on another
Speaker 2: family because I got bad vibes. And Lucy then got
Speaker 2: a text from Benson and it says, stuck at precinct
Speaker 2: all day. Pick up William at daycare. He has a
Speaker 2: playdate with Lewis today. So smart, it is so smart.
Speaker 2: But do you think Lucy put that together because of
Speaker 2: the William Lewis or because of the precinct?
Speaker 3: Like, what was it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think she picked it up that she's like, his
Speaker 1: name's Noah, not William, Like why does she send me
Speaker 1: this weird thing? And Benson knew she would bring it
Speaker 1: to somebody and that the squad would get the William
Speaker 1: Lewis reference in my opinion.
Speaker 2: But my thing is was was Noah with Lucy? Oh no,
Speaker 2: he's a daycare? Yeah? I was like, okay, who's Lucy's baby?
Speaker 1: And Lucy's also probably like he doesn't have a friend
Speaker 1: named Lewis, Like, who the fuck? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What's this message?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: And she already did see the fear and the mom
Speaker 2: that morning. Okay, Yeah, Lucy is an angel. I wish
Speaker 2: she agreed to do the podcast. Me too, So if
Speaker 2: you're friends with her, let her know we're pissed.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: We wanted to talk to the best babysitter in fucking
Speaker 2: New York City.
Speaker 3: So that means no one has fucking talked to her.
Speaker 2: And like they go, if it says William Lewis, that
Speaker 2: must be a code for a ten thirteen, And the
Speaker 2: boys are get into action right away, and they have
Speaker 2: to get to this townhouse, and so Barbara keeps calling
Speaker 2: Benson and Roxy's annoyed, and Benson's like, listen, I'm a
Speaker 2: working woman. Some people have jobs. And the rapist comes
Speaker 2: back into the room with the teen daughter. It's really
Speaker 2: hard to watch. She's a very good actress. She's really
Speaker 2: roughed up. Benson helps her and he notices she's untied.
Speaker 2: Doesn't like it, and Roxy's like, whatever, they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: Shut up.
Speaker 2: He threatens her and he goes, if you pull anything,
Speaker 2: you will never see your son again, so you know,
Speaker 2: but not like Benson is so shut up. Of course
Speaker 2: she's gonna pull something and you're not even gonna see
Speaker 2: it happening. So anyways, Ralph Ralph calls. So they got
Speaker 2: cash from the ATM, but the mom is really upset
Speaker 2: and she demands that she gets to talk to her
Speaker 2: children before they enter the bank. Roxy says, absolutely not,
Speaker 2: we need the money first, and so they keep arguing.
Speaker 3: The jaundice coke guy is a rapist. You know.
Speaker 2: He keeps getting more and more titles that keep getting
Speaker 2: worse and worse, and then he goes what she wants
Speaker 2: to hear them scream and Benson's like, oh, I have
Speaker 2: a great idea. Why don't you just take a photo
Speaker 2: of them, just send them a photo and so that's
Speaker 2: a great idea and then for the money worth it,
Speaker 2: So he does it, and then he goes, if no cash,
Speaker 2: they're dead. So now another doorbell rings and it's like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is it now?
Speaker 3: So and who's gonna get the door?
Speaker 2: So the leader puts the gun on the on Luca
Speaker 2: and tells the teen you go downstairs and if you
Speaker 2: fuck this up, your brother is going to be dea.
Speaker 2: She of course cries, this is too much for a
Speaker 2: teenager in the morning, and so Roxy has a gun
Speaker 2: on her head, so there's guns on each child's head.
Speaker 2: She opens the door slowly and says, I'm not supposed
Speaker 2: to open the door, and it's fin and creasy, and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, no, worries. We're truant officers for the
Speaker 2: school and you and your brother weren't at school today,
Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, we're sick. And Finn's like, can
Speaker 2: we talk to your parents? She goes, they're not home
Speaker 2: and I have to go bye. The men obviously know
Speaker 2: like there's like we all know what's happening, but is
Speaker 2: this a real job?
Speaker 3: Do you know about truant officers? It is a real thing.
Speaker 2: There Are they real coops or do they work for
Speaker 2: the board of education? Like do they have guns and
Speaker 2: batons or just flashlights in a notepad?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What is a truant officer's like full scope of life?
Speaker 3: Where it exists a school? This is Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: Where it exists a school, truancy officer is often a
Speaker 1: constable or sheriff. Okay, there's something that says that the
Speaker 1: homeschooling community has to interact with truant officers. It says
Speaker 1: NYPD has a truant unit that will patrol parks and
Speaker 1: beaches on nice weather school days, but if they catch you,
Speaker 1: get put in advant inced back to school. This is
Speaker 1: all off of a Reddit and the response is a
Speaker 1: couple of years old. So I don't know for sure
Speaker 1: if you know more about truancye. I'm sure you're gonna
Speaker 1: be letting me know in the DMS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you know a truant officer, yeah, maybe we'll
Speaker 2: talk to them.
Speaker 3: Who knows. Okay, So anyway, it feels.
Speaker 1: Literally like put like toothpaste back into two or like
Speaker 1: it sounds like one of these impossible jobs, like kids
Speaker 1: are always going to skip school, Like you're just going
Speaker 1: to be running around being like, why aren't you at school?
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, it feels like a crazy job.
Speaker 2: But well, I wonder if the actual heart of it's
Speaker 2: not because I don't trust authority in our world, but
Speaker 2: like I wonder if it's like, oh, fuck is the
Speaker 2: home life?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Like I wonder if it started as like, wait, do
Speaker 2: no parents care for your kids? I mean, my nephew
Speaker 2: doesn't go to fucking school. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: balls on this kid?
Speaker 1: Okay, like that, if the school reaches out and says
Speaker 1: your kid keeps missing school and the parent doesn't respond,
Speaker 1: then maybe they'll send somebody.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Finn is in a peacoat and Careasey's in
Speaker 2: a puffer. So if that's something that you were interested
Speaker 2: in knowing, that's what's happening. Roxy is relieved that they're gone,
Speaker 2: and then Joe is pissed and he's like, those are cops.
Speaker 2: What the fuck would you say to them? And then
Speaker 2: So grabs the teen's face. She's so scared. She says nothing.
Speaker 2: She's like, I just told him Luca and I were sick,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, hey, look, they might have figured it
Speaker 2: out like that I'm here because I'm a beloved figure
Speaker 2: in the community. So your next you know, and their
Speaker 2: next move is going to be to call for backup,
Speaker 2: and so now is the time for you guys to
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of here. And Roxy's like, shut up,
Speaker 2: stop fucking talking. No one wants to listen to you.
Speaker 2: And you know, he's like like they're both like, she's
Speaker 2: a cop, she's gonna lie. This is a trap, and
Speaker 2: they don't want to trust her. But like Benson keeps
Speaker 2: trying to tell them, like, there's about to be a
Speaker 2: swat team, So if you want to get out, you
Speaker 2: better fucking get out now, because there's about to be
Speaker 2: a perimeter. Like she is actually helping them, like there's
Speaker 2: gonna be backup.
Speaker 3: You guys need to get the fuck out of her.
Speaker 2: Music plays and the cooke had re uses to leave
Speaker 2: even though Roxy wants to leave, and then we see backup.
Speaker 2: They're on their way, the snipers already, cops vans, lights everywhere,
Speaker 2: Dods and Creesy and Finn. They're getting scooped from the
Speaker 2: other officers. One guy I recognized Kevin Gear, who sadly
Speaker 2: did pass in twenty seventeen, at only sixty four, but
Speaker 2: he's been in four Suvsvus, Svius Sacrifice, Conned True Believers,
Speaker 2: and then this one so spanning season three to seventeen,
Speaker 2: which is pretty incredible. But he lets the squad know
Speaker 2: that they have to wait for astage.
Speaker 3: He also looks like Ron Howard's brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I felt like he looked familiar.
Speaker 2: But when I looked him up, the svws were the big.
Speaker 3: Thing that I yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And also the girl that plays Roxy just came back
Speaker 1: in season twenty five. In the season premiere, she plays
Speaker 1: like an SVU detective from Jersey when you know, like
Speaker 1: they're fine trying to find the girl that is like
Speaker 1: the thread of the whole season. Yeah, so she was
Speaker 1: back as a cop just to red Hair still yeah
Speaker 1: wow love that. So yeah, so this guy, this actor,
Speaker 1: he tells them like, we have to wait for hostage negotiation.
Speaker 1: We can't really do anything, but you know, we have
Speaker 1: eyes on everything, no visual on the parents, but we
Speaker 1: see everyone else indoors. And now the koke head sees
Speaker 1: all the cops out the window and it's like fuck it.
Speaker 3: And Roxy goes, yeah, I told you so, And Benson
Speaker 3: goes listen.
Speaker 2: Why don't you just keep me Let Richard go the dad,
Speaker 2: I'm your best asset, and Roxy's like, fuck, they're gonna
Speaker 2: kill us, and she's questioning her whole life in this moment,
Speaker 2: and then another twist, the coke boy asks where okay,
Speaker 2: So this is where we actually find out about the brother,
Speaker 2: but I guess it's fine. So then Joe is like,
Speaker 2: where the fuck's Ralph? Where's your brother? He should have
Speaker 2: been back here by now, you fucking idiot. You said
Speaker 2: your brother can do this, and Roxy's like, well, what's
Speaker 2: the plan, and the coke heads like let me think,
Speaker 2: shut up, and It's like, yeah, because your plans have
Speaker 2: been so good, Like at what point do you stop
Speaker 2: listening to the coke kid who keeps making the wrong decision,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like obviously he's abusive and
Speaker 2: crazy and like I don't know how he saved Roxy
Speaker 2: or like what's going on in that family. But it
Speaker 2: is like, dude, you should have listened to Roxy and left,
Speaker 2: so maybe.
Speaker 3: She should come up with the next idea.
Speaker 2: So then he tells Benson, you need to get us
Speaker 2: out of here, tell them to stand down, and she
Speaker 2: says they're not going to do that, bro, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: then you better make it, shoves the gun to the
Speaker 2: teen into the teen girl's mouth.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She cries put and like and pushes back, and finally
Speaker 2: Roxy's grossed out. Finally Roxy has hit her limit the
Speaker 2: rape fine seeing the gun, yeah, Benson goes, okay, stop,
Speaker 2: give me the phone.
Speaker 3: I'll call my sergeant.
Speaker 2: So you know, he obviously goes speakers on speaker on
Speaker 2: no secrets.
Speaker 3: Dodd's answers.
Speaker 2: So then Joe demands all cameras down that are like
Speaker 2: spying into the home and that the snipers go away,
Speaker 2: and Dodds agrees and goes, fine, I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I'll do it.
Speaker 2: And then they go and we're going to bring in
Speaker 2: a negotiator, and this guy like hates the idea of
Speaker 2: the negotiator. I guess like drugs are so bad. He goes,
Speaker 2: I don't want to fucking negotiator.
Speaker 3: What are they gonna do? Bring me a pizza? I
Speaker 3: don't want it.
Speaker 2: And Benson's trying to make him understand, like, so you're
Speaker 2: actually holding a family and a police officer hostage, Okay, babe,
Speaker 2: So this is a very serious scenario. If you don't
Speaker 2: talk to them to the negotiator. They will burst in
Speaker 2: and they will take you down. He will die. Roxy
Speaker 2: goes Joe. So then Joe goes fine. So he asks
Speaker 2: who she trusts in the NYPD. She goes my whole squad,
Speaker 2: and he goes, no higher up, someone that really cares
Speaker 2: about you, and someone that cares if you live or die.
Speaker 3: She thinks a little bit, who's it gonna be?
Speaker 2: Tucker? It's Tucker. He's walking in. He has a tan,
Speaker 2: he does have a sexy tan, and he's ready to
Speaker 2: save Benson. So, Tucker, do you think they fucked after
Speaker 2: this or like they took a day off like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I didn't remember if they were already together or not yet.
Speaker 2: Either way, Yeah, there is tension, like when someone saves
Speaker 2: you from mohstage.
Speaker 3: Benson will be saved.
Speaker 1: Sorry to ruin it, guys, Yeah yeah, spoiler, she doesn't die.
Speaker 3: Here, But like, you fuck the person that saves you, right,
Speaker 3: I guess? Yeah? I mean I would be turned.
Speaker 2: I think that's the rules, but maybe I would be
Speaker 2: tired too, like I just wonder. So Tucker immediately gets it.
Speaker 2: He goes, this guy's hopped up on drugs. His emotions
Speaker 2: are high. He's high as hell, so there's no rational
Speaker 2: thinking at all, so we need to like act like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're dealing with an idiot. So Benson is
Speaker 2: tied up again. I did not notice that, and I'm
Speaker 2: not happy about it. Joe sits her down hard and goes,
Speaker 2: where is the guy with the juice?
Speaker 3: And she's really confident. She's like, he's gonna be here.
Speaker 2: So she asks to check in on Richard since Tucker
Speaker 2: will be checking to see how the hostages are doing,
Speaker 2: and she asks to take Roxy with her, and the
Speaker 2: bozo goes, this is actually all your fault, so if
Speaker 2: anyone dies, it's on you, and Roxy goes, nobody is
Speaker 2: gonna die. She's gonna get her friend to help us,
Speaker 2: and we're getting out of here, and Joe is like,
Speaker 2: what about your idiot brother, which is a great.
Speaker 3: Paul rud movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, and Benson's like, the cops are all over here.
Speaker 2: If he saw a cop, I'm sure he went in
Speaker 2: another direction, you know, Like you're not gonna drive through
Speaker 2: the cops to get back into this townhouse. Like I mean,
Speaker 2: this should be an anti drug ad. So the phone rings.
Speaker 2: The man's the main psycho answers. There's laughing and sniffling Benson.
Speaker 2: You know, it's put on speaker. Benson's there and a
Speaker 2: gun is pointing at her. So then she's breaking down
Speaker 2: everything that like went down to Tucker. But then Joe
Speaker 2: does not want to reveal that the mom is gone
Speaker 2: and wants her to lie, and Benson goes, listen, if
Speaker 2: we like to Tucker, he's gonna get nervous and that's
Speaker 2: not gonna be good. He goes, but don't mention the bank,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, Okay, great idea. I won't mention the bank,
Speaker 2: but we have you know, I'll just say that she's
Speaker 2: gone and we'll be back soon. All of them in
Speaker 2: the work bus immediately know what's up. They're like, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, Finn know's the most, but they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: she's gone. Finn goes right away. Okay, there's a third guy.
Speaker 2: They're doing a bank run. He's so good, but there's
Speaker 2: so many banks. How are we going to figure out
Speaker 2: which to go to? So they're actually now going to
Speaker 2: shut down every single bank in the area. They're also
Speaker 2: going to check the family financials to figure stuff out.
Speaker 2: And now you know, Tucker is talking to Joe. He's
Speaker 2: straight up is like, I have a gun to your
Speaker 2: friend's heads, so they're better not be tricks. Tucker goes,
Speaker 2: do I look like the tricks rabbit? Maybe no tricks?
Speaker 2: So then I'm here. I do this all the time.
Speaker 2: I'll get you out of this. So then Joe forces
Speaker 2: Benson to like tell Tucker on the phone he has demands,
Speaker 2: and then he goes into the demands and I don't
Speaker 2: understand why he needed an introduction by Benson, but he
Speaker 2: is on trucks.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Keep having to do this, like I keep being confused
Speaker 2: at his behavior, yeah, and then remembering he might be
Speaker 2: on like and it's not because it's not a criminal mastermind, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's yeah, and he just loves attention. So basically
Speaker 2: his demands are he wants an SUV with tinted windows,
Speaker 2: but it's also like gibulletproof glass, you idiot, no driver
Speaker 2: and can't be rigged, and a million dollars in cash.
Speaker 1: This man has seen too many action movies. Like the
Speaker 1: demands are such like what a teenager would demand, Like
Speaker 1: it's why what.
Speaker 3: Would you demand? I mean, I don't know, like he's
Speaker 3: so fucked.
Speaker 1: It's like whatever he does, he has to take somebody
Speaker 1: with him, like he has to take Olivia with him
Speaker 1: the whole time.
Speaker 2: Well guess what. It gets even more crazy. So he wants,
Speaker 2: you know, he wants the streets cleared out to a
Speaker 2: helipad like he's the fucking pope end quote.
Speaker 3: Then that's a cocaine idea. You know what I mean
Speaker 3: that is?
Speaker 2: That is then the helicopter is gonna take him to
Speaker 2: an CJ four jet with no pilot because he can
Speaker 2: fly the plane.
Speaker 3: Like he wants three modes of transportation.
Speaker 1: It's so insane. It's like you're on an island. You're
Speaker 1: on like the most populous island.
Speaker 3: You're not getting out, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Tucker goes, Okay, that might take some time,
Speaker 2: but I'm on it, and Joe says or else, and
Speaker 2: Ticker's like, yeah, no, we will get these things in motion.
Speaker 2: But in good faith, why don't you send out these kids?
Speaker 2: And he goes, how about I don't shoot the kids dead?
Speaker 2: How about is that.
Speaker 3: Good faith enough for you?
Speaker 2: And then a loose cop tells Tucker they're ready to
Speaker 2: go in, and Tucker goes absolutely not. He's making demands,
Speaker 2: which means he's looking towards the future, which means he
Speaker 2: wants to live. And let's not get tactical. They tracked
Speaker 2: an ATM withdrawal and they're headed over there. You know,
Speaker 2: they go and Creasy arrests Ralph pretty quickly. That's not
Speaker 2: even that big of a deal. Guns, you know you're
Speaker 2: under arrest, throws them to the ground. He blames Joe
Speaker 2: and he says that Joe made him do it. Caresey
Speaker 2: kneels down to his level and says, Joe is not
Speaker 2: your friend, and it's like obviously, But then Caresey goes,
Speaker 2: I am your friend, so tell me everything that's going
Speaker 2: in on that house.
Speaker 3: So now Dodds and Barbara are.
Speaker 2: Doing a street walk and talk talking about Ralph the
Speaker 2: beanie boy and him being fired his record failed drug tests.
Speaker 2: But they're like, he's not the ringleader, he's a fool.
Speaker 2: So they're taking the but you know, they're in the bus,
Speaker 2: they're all talking and he's giving a lot of info. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're doing all this because him. He's saying that him
Speaker 2: and Roxy's mom needs a new hip, and Barbara nods like,
Speaker 2: uh huh, yeah, I'm sure, this is not for drug money.
Speaker 1: But it's not even like our mom needs a heart transplant.
Speaker 1: Our mom has like a terminal disease. It's like she
Speaker 1: just needs a new hip. Like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: the stakes aren't high enough for what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you have cons I mean, my mom
Speaker 2: has had two hip replacements and it is life changing.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I just thought that they were trying to
Speaker 1: make If he's trying to get some sympathy, then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: our mom is has cancer and is getting kicked out
Speaker 1: of our apartment.
Speaker 2: Oh way do you mean do you think that means
Speaker 2: that maybe he is telling the truth because the hip
Speaker 2: replacement's not that good of a lie.
Speaker 3: I think he's too stupid to come up with a
Speaker 3: good lie.
Speaker 2: Uh So Ralph is like me and Roxy are not
Speaker 2: in charge. Joe sucks, but he stops talking for just
Speaker 2: a second, and Barbara has a moment to go, I
Speaker 2: will put you away for le any murder if anyone dies.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he immediately starts talking. He goes his name
Speaker 3: is Joe Utley.
Speaker 2: You know, the mom is being taken care of by
Speaker 2: EMTs at the moment, and she's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm Wendy hoops JK. That's not really her name. But
Speaker 2: also in Sex in the City, her character name was Lennox.
Speaker 2: Is that a name?
Speaker 1: Yes, my son, my daughter goes to I went to
Speaker 1: school with a boy name Lennox.
Speaker 3: Boy. Yeah, boy, it's a cute name for a girl.
Speaker 2: Though I think I know, I've just never I know
Speaker 2: at the hospital y and I know it is a
Speaker 2: last name. So anyways, she goes, oh my god, they
Speaker 2: were beating my husband so bad. They wouldn't stop. And
Speaker 2: Chrisy's like, well, the good news is that head wounds.
Speaker 2: They're bloody, but they look a lot worse than they are.
Speaker 2: But he does want details, crazy, you know. So now
Speaker 2: they're getting information from the mom and from Ralph. How
Speaker 2: many guns? There's three pistols. Joe had a machine gun too. Uh.
Speaker 2: They also took Benson's gun. And she and Lisa's begging.
Speaker 2: She's like, please let me go back with the money.
Speaker 2: It's only when my kids will be okay. And they're like, no,
Speaker 2: they're a lot, you know, and they go, how do
Speaker 2: you know that they're alive? And she goes, there's a
Speaker 2: photo on Ralph's phone. So now we're looking at Ralph's phone.
Speaker 2: There's a pick and so they are in there. They
Speaker 2: do look safe, so that's good news for the police officers.
Speaker 2: They tell Ralph to get on the phone with him
Speaker 2: and talk, but he's scared, and they're just like, fucking
Speaker 2: do it and tell him you have the money and
Speaker 2: ask the negotiator to let you to hook up safely.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't think I should be getting involved.
Speaker 2: Too Late, Finn lost his patience and goes, let me
Speaker 2: ask you something. You ever want to see your sister
Speaker 2: alive again? So Dodd's head's in the phone. Ralph answers.
Speaker 2: He says, I have cash right here, and he's like,
Speaker 2: cops know about everything, so just come back to the
Speaker 2: house and he's like, are you kidding? The house is surrounded.
Speaker 2: Joe says, just do it. The cops are going to
Speaker 2: let you in, and then Ralph is pretty stupid. He goes,
Speaker 2: I can't they got me. Joe yells, son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: Roxy cares about ralph well being and so she's like
Speaker 2: if he's okay, but Joe does not care about him
Speaker 2: at all. So then Tucker calls back and Joe says,
Speaker 2: I want Ralph and cash, and if you ever lie again,
Speaker 2: your pretty little girlfriend dies. Tucker says, nobody makes you
Speaker 2: kill if you don't want to. That makes Joe chuckle
Speaker 2: a little bit. He gives her the phone and Benson
Speaker 2: says he wants Ralph in there now, and Tucker goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that, but we can't do that. Benson goes,
Speaker 2: the truth is we cannot send civilians inside. There is
Speaker 2: a law for that. Joe says, I'm done talking, and
Speaker 2: Tucker goes, do you know what a swat team is?
Speaker 2: If you stop talking to me, they take over. So
Speaker 2: Joe goes, fine, but I want to talk to Ralph
Speaker 2: on the phone. Ralph just goes, dude, there are snipers everywhere.
Speaker 2: I can't go in. Joe says, you're an idiot, But
Speaker 2: now he's looking at Roxy blaming her again and says,
Speaker 2: you said he could do it. Roxy gets in his face.
Speaker 2: He says, no, you should have gone. Don't you blame
Speaker 2: this on him? And it's like, no, he blamed you.
Speaker 2: He didn't actually even blame Ralph. No one expects much
Speaker 2: from Ralph. So then Benson goes, listen, this is all
Speaker 2: on you, and this guy's not doing well and he
Speaker 2: will die. So at this point though, he throws Roxy
Speaker 2: to the ground using her face. The gun falls to
Speaker 2: Benson's nobody moves, then Roxy grabs it, breathing really really heavy.
Speaker 3: So now what.
Speaker 2: Basically, Tucker offers Joe fifty grand and bonds from the
Speaker 2: bank for a trade for the kids. Joe's finger goes
Speaker 2: in the air like one so okay, Joe is on board,
Speaker 2: but only one person leaves, So bring in the money
Speaker 2: and one person can leave. So Tucker's like, okay, good choice,
Speaker 2: I have your cash. EMTs are going to go in
Speaker 2: and we're gonna get the dat out. No tricks, no guns,
Speaker 2: just let him out. So then Joe asks like Benson
Speaker 2: to look and see what the EMTs are wearing.
Speaker 3: She goes, yep, just uniforms.
Speaker 2: But he wants to know that they're for sure not carrying,
Speaker 2: so he makes them strip down, but Tucker negotiates that
Speaker 2: they get to keep their vests on. So these EMTs
Speaker 2: walk in as strippers with vests on in their underwear
Speaker 2: and undershirts, which is annoying to me, and they should
Speaker 2: be shirtless for our entertainment. Ha. And then he's like,
Speaker 2: what about my car? And helicopter. Tucker goes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: on it. There's a lot going on, sir.
Speaker 1: This is like very much like a oh Pit Crew
Speaker 1: moment for the EMTs one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So then Dodds is actually one of the EMTs in underwear.
Speaker 2: They cut with another EMT and they walk the dad
Speaker 2: out and the guns are pointed at the EMTs the
Speaker 2: whole time, and then he goes, actually, you guys take
Speaker 2: off your vests, so like Tucker. So now the guys
Speaker 2: give the vests to the terrorists and then walk out
Speaker 2: with the dad. Tucker congratulates Dodds and the other dude
Speaker 2: on a good job, and then patronizes Joe and goes,
Speaker 2: thanks so.
Speaker 3: Much, dude for the switch.
Speaker 2: And then the car is there, the escalator, suburban or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then heal he wants the keys ready in the ignition,
Speaker 2: the engine running, and the swat team gone with a
Speaker 2: clear path.
Speaker 3: Okay, veruk assault, you can't get everything.
Speaker 2: He makes Benson put a vest on Roxy, and Benson
Speaker 2: whispers to Roxy, you don't have to do this. They
Speaker 2: have your brother, he is safe. I know you don't
Speaker 2: want to die. This is your chance. Go out there,
Speaker 2: get on your knees and put your hands up. Roxy says,
Speaker 2: shut up. So Roxy walks out. Roxy slowly walks down
Speaker 2: the stairs. She gets in the car passenger side. Benson
Speaker 2: peers out the window and now Roxy gets back out
Speaker 2: and says, everything is clear, Joe. And so then she
Speaker 2: looks up and sees like a hundred cops guns, shields.
Speaker 3: She gets really nervous.
Speaker 2: She looks up, she sees all the swat all over her,
Speaker 2: and she doesn't want to go back in. She doesn't,
Speaker 2: and Joe yells for Roxy to call back in, and
Speaker 2: Roxy thinks and into the phone she says, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Joe.
Speaker 2: She drops to her knees, puts her hands up, and
Speaker 2: they get her and they arrest her, which I think
Speaker 2: is better than being shot dead for a man. And
Speaker 2: that's like the new don't go to jail for a man,
Speaker 2: do not be shot dead for a man, So don't
Speaker 2: get a man.
Speaker 3: No no.
Speaker 2: Joe points the gun at Benson yet again and says,
Speaker 2: damn you, and she tells him to take it easy.
Speaker 2: He asks what she said to Roxy. She's like, I
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. Joe yells, I'm sick of you lying
Speaker 2: to me. Benson goes it's better for you. You don't
Speaker 2: need her. We're so close to getting out of here.
Speaker 2: So the phone rings again. Benson tells Tucker, I feel
Speaker 2: like Samuel Jackson should be here.
Speaker 3: This is so cinematic, you know.
Speaker 2: Benson says, tell Tucker how we're gonna do this and
Speaker 2: points to him and says, your terms, Joe. Tucker says,
Speaker 2: I got everything you want, a car, helicopter, jet, but
Speaker 2: we need something in return.
Speaker 3: Kids.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, we're going out there together and if
Speaker 2: anything happens, we're all dying. So Tucker goes, no, we
Speaker 2: need one kid. This is just how it works. You
Speaker 2: don't get everything and we get nothing. He says, fine,
Speaker 2: when we get in the car, you can have the
Speaker 2: little kid. I'm keeping my girls. I don't love that
Speaker 2: one bit. The teen starts to cry. Benson is sweaty.
Speaker 2: Joe finally realizes that they're going to take him out,
Speaker 2: aren't they. You know he has Benson they're gonna kill me,
Speaker 2: and she is giving him tips like well, if you know,
Speaker 2: if you keep your gun to my head, they're gonna
Speaker 2: try not to shoot you because they care about me,
Speaker 2: so Tucker, which I don't think she had to actually
Speaker 2: give him that advice, but I guess you know, she
Speaker 2: has to save the kids. So Tucker and another power
Speaker 2: hungry old man in charge argue about how you know
Speaker 2: how to shoot what to shoot.
Speaker 3: The power struggles. They walk off.
Speaker 2: So now Joe, the kids and Benson, I'll walk out
Speaker 2: of the garden level of the town home. Benson and
Speaker 2: the two kids are in front of Joe. Gun is
Speaker 2: on Benson's head and she is calming the kids down.
Speaker 2: The swat is surrounded and they're creeping slowly. As Joe
Speaker 2: yells for the cops to get back and get further back.
Speaker 2: The swat is getting fingers on all their triggers. They're
Speaker 2: getting ready. He wants kids in the car, and Benson
Speaker 2: wants kids to leave and make it you know about
Speaker 2: him and her and they don't need the kids, and
Speaker 2: he says, go yay, okay, So the kids run off.
Speaker 2: Tucker says, great job. I'm so happy that the kids
Speaker 2: are safe and get to like see their mom. So
Speaker 2: then he shoves Benson closer to the car, telling her
Speaker 2: to get in. She says, let me tell Tucker the plan.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, I'll do it. Then Benson spins around
Speaker 2: punches him in the head, grabs his arm and spins
Speaker 2: him down and grabs the gun out, and then she's
Speaker 2: bending down to get the gun out from his arm.
Speaker 2: That's when he gets swatted down. Paw Paw, Tucker and
Speaker 2: Creasy run to her. She assures them she's okay. He's
Speaker 2: bleeding from his head on the cement. Good Finn walks
Speaker 2: over and goes he's dead. Classic Finn. Benson wants to
Speaker 2: Noah immediately he's with Lucy. They're gonna go get him.
Speaker 2: Benson turns to Tucker and says thank you. He says
Speaker 2: for what you did a great job in there. Now
Speaker 2: let's get you out of here. She says, you want
Speaker 2: to fuck no They walk off and that's dick wolf baby,
Speaker 2: and I am terrified.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to hear the real crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad, but thank you for the recap. I
Speaker 1: feel like you made that fun. Even though that episode
Speaker 1: really puts me on edge.
Speaker 2: I actually was thinking about that the whole time. I
Speaker 2: go keep your tone up, I go, things are happening,
Speaker 2: but speak as if it's not.
Speaker 3: And I feel like I really did focus on my
Speaker 3: tone there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're really trying to entertain you, guys, and not
Speaker 1: just fully traumatize you.
Speaker 2: So kudos to us. You know, I snuck in some references.
Speaker 2: I've really tried. Yeah, so you didn't have to think
Speaker 2: of a teen girl getting assaulted as her brothers tied
Speaker 2: up listening, needing to pee, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just home invasions are freaky. They just fucking are.
Speaker 1: They are one of the worst things I think that
Speaker 1: can happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all the worst things.
Speaker 2: It's like your dad's getting beat up, your mom's taken
Speaker 2: away the kid, there's a random woman showing up.
Speaker 3: Thank god, you.
Speaker 1: Can't live there again. I mean you literally gonna have
Speaker 1: to move out of that house. Like, it's just it's
Speaker 1: so many, you know, it's an invasion. But yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: get into the real crime as soon as we listen
Speaker 1: to a few of these messages.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: But just to piggyback off what we were just talking about,
Speaker 1: do you know this Instagram corporate erin?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love corporate erin.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, sorry, the word piggyback just reminded me
Speaker 1: so funny. If you're not liszt Gata, listen to this
Speaker 1: character corporate erin.
Speaker 3: So No, it's really.
Speaker 2: Wild, like so much of Tiksaw and like Stram when
Speaker 2: you're on it, it's like, who is this person? Why
Speaker 2: are you talking? This is regurgion. And then there are
Speaker 2: just these creative geniuses that we get to find because
Speaker 2: of our phones that like connect millions of people across
Speaker 2: the globe.
Speaker 3: And I love that funny.
Speaker 1: And she's like, if you if you work a corporate
Speaker 1: job or you ever have this girl like absolutely nails
Speaker 1: corporate speak and it's and the tone and it's so funny.
Speaker 1: But like, my husband is a huge horror freak and
Speaker 1: there was a movie that he watched that made him
Speaker 1: faint one time about a home invasion.
Speaker 3: Like home invasions are so scary because was it the
Speaker 3: Naomi watching?
Speaker 1: No, No, I think it's a French It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I think it's French or German. I'll find out the
Speaker 1: name from him. But like it's literally like just the
Speaker 1: scariest thing that someone could come into your home and
Speaker 1: then stay there for who knows how long, Like they're just.
Speaker 3: The scariest things.
Speaker 1: So there are obviously a lot of few home invasion
Speaker 1: stories that this story could be about. One of them
Speaker 1: I realized was the murder of Savus Philip Savopolis, who
Speaker 1: was a prominent Washington DC businessman. A home invader killed him,
Speaker 1: his wife, their ten year old son, and their housekeeper
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Just back in twenty fifteen, like
Speaker 1: six or seven months before this episode came out. So
Speaker 1: I think what happened was that I'm gonna cover the
Speaker 1: Cheshure murders today, but I think what happened was that,
Speaker 1: like this home invasion reminded everyone of that one, and
Speaker 1: I bet SVU at the time like didn't want to
Speaker 1: cover that because it was so fucking horrific. And then
Speaker 1: when this home invasion happened, they sort of did like
Speaker 1: a combo because I will say, the way that the
Speaker 1: suspect was caught in the Savopolis home invasion and murder
Speaker 1: was he left his DNA on a pizza that he ordered,
Speaker 1: and they do mention that in this episode, like what's
Speaker 1: the negotiator going to do?
Speaker 3: Bring me a pizza?
Speaker 1: And like this guy got busted through Dominoes, which I
Speaker 1: actually thought you would think was kind of funny, Lisa,
Speaker 1: but it was this I remember it happening and being like,
Speaker 1: what the.
Speaker 3: Full like because I see her no and I see.
Speaker 2: I like caught domino my eye immediately, Like if there
Speaker 2: was a word search that's like, what are the first
Speaker 2: few words you find are what your year is?
Speaker 3: Then like I saw Dominoes immediately totally.
Speaker 2: But then I didn't want to keep looking because I
Speaker 2: like to just listen. Yeah, if I don't know about
Speaker 2: a case, I'd rather listen than look at the notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So wait, so are you saying that Chesshire was so
Speaker 2: bad and then this other one happened that was bad,
Speaker 2: but like not as bad, so then they kind of
Speaker 2: were able?
Speaker 3: Is that what you're I think? I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: Like if you go to the Wikipedia for example of
Speaker 1: the Savopolis murders, there's a link to the Cheshire murders
Speaker 1: in it, you know what I mean, Like they are
Speaker 1: definitely reminiscent. I don't know. They also set the house
Speaker 1: on fire. Their similarities. But also this guy worked alone.
Speaker 1: They think his name is Darren Wint and he was
Speaker 1: you know, convicted, and it was just a really wild
Speaker 1: but also similar to the episode Sabopolis. The victim was
Speaker 1: the CEO of like an iron works company, and this
Speaker 1: guy used to work for that company, kind of the
Speaker 1: way that Ralph of the episode used to be like
Speaker 1: a truck driver for the grocery store. So there's like
Speaker 1: a connection through work of like, oh, the CEO must
Speaker 1: be rich, I'm gonna go rob him, and he went
Speaker 1: to go rob him, killed his family, set the wife's
Speaker 1: Porsche on But I remember hearing about this because they
Speaker 1: were like the Porsche was on fire down this like
Speaker 1: a county away or something. I remember hearing about this
Speaker 1: story in twenty fifteen. I still lived in New York
Speaker 1: and was following, you know, everything and anything that was
Speaker 1: crime related. So I remember that, but that story is
Speaker 1: not what I'm going to cover today. I do think
Speaker 1: it jogged this. But this, this, the Chester murders are
Speaker 1: like the most notorious, if not if not one of
Speaker 1: it is the most notorious crime in Connecticut's history. And I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, from Connecticut, so I wanted to sort of
Speaker 1: cover this, and I've been very into following it in
Speaker 1: a way, like I've seen the documentary and I've read
Speaker 1: a lot about it. It's very chilling, it's very horrific,
Speaker 1: and the details are horrible to just be ready for that.
Speaker 1: So this takes place in Cheshire, Connecticut, which is less
Speaker 1: than an hour from where I grew up. It's between
Speaker 1: New Haven and Hartford, if you know cities in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: So I would have passed Cheshire.
Speaker 1: I have passed Cheshure dozens and dozens of times coming
Speaker 1: to and from college, and it's hard for me not
Speaker 1: to think of the cat. I know, I know, and
Speaker 1: you know. I played the Cheshire cat in a play
Speaker 1: when I was nine. I think we deserve a photo
Speaker 1: of that on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I bet my mom has one. I'll
Speaker 3: see if I can find it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I played the Chesher Cat and a little production
Speaker 1: of Alice in Wonderland. So this all happens around late
Speaker 1: July of two thousand and seven. A woman named Jennifer
Speaker 1: Hawk Pettit and her eleven year old daughter, Michaela, goes
Speaker 1: shopping to buy groceries for a dinner that Michaela's planning
Speaker 1: to make for her family. This family, the Pettit family,
Speaker 1: are like a super Connecticut picture perfect family, like what
Speaker 1: you envision when you envision a family from Connecticut, and
Speaker 1: everybody loved.
Speaker 3: Them in the community.
Speaker 1: They were popular social Jennifer was formerly a nurse that
Speaker 1: ye New Haven Hospital, but then switched careers, I think
Speaker 1: to work at a school or an organization where she
Speaker 1: could work with children. And her husband was a prominent endocrinologist,
Speaker 1: doctor William Pettitt Junior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sit here, you know, I'm an end of chronologist goer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, from Alara and Royd.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he ran a diabetes center I believe in central Connecticut.
Speaker 1: So like he was, you know, well known and respected.
Speaker 1: And then Jennifer, the wife, had MS and they had
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old daughter as well named Haley, who
Speaker 1: had like raised money for the cause. Haley had just
Speaker 1: graduated from a private school that I'm familiar with called
Speaker 1: Miss Porters, and she was headed to Dartmouth in the fall,
Speaker 1: which is where her dad went. And Mikayla was entering
Speaker 1: sixth grade because it was the summer, so she was
Speaker 1: about to enter sixth grade at a private day school. Somehow,
Speaker 1: while they're shopping, it's like one of these things of
Speaker 1: like what if they just had gone to a different
Speaker 1: grocery store, what if you know, Like this wasn't connected
Speaker 1: in the same way as the episode and the Sabopolis
Speaker 1: case where somebody worked for somebody. Literally while they were shopping,
Speaker 1: they caught the attention of twenty six year old named
Speaker 1: Joshua comisar Jefski, and I'm gonna be saying his name
Speaker 1: a lot of times, komisar Jefski, So get ready for that.
Speaker 1: He was a lifelong criminal. He actually was adopted and
Speaker 1: was accused at a young age of sexually abusing his
Speaker 1: own sister. His first burglary was at fourteen, five years
Speaker 1: before this crime. In two thousand and two, he was
Speaker 1: arrested for eighteen home invasions.
Speaker 3: His Bilogun team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, what I found in my research was he liked
Speaker 1: to break into people's homes and then but he.
Speaker 2: Was arrested after eighteen. It wasn't like he was arrested
Speaker 2: at eighteen times for that.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think there was a string of home
Speaker 1: invasions and they led him all to him.
Speaker 3: Yes, That's why I was so shocked.
Speaker 2: I am obviously not shocked that someone could do eighteen,
Speaker 2: but I was like, why would they keep letting him out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you need to be yeah, you have a problem.
Speaker 1: You need him like you need an ankle monitor.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but he just but he got away with
Speaker 2: a lot, So I guess he was good at crime.
Speaker 1: Well, what I found in my research was he said
Speaker 1: he liked to break into people's homes and then listen
Speaker 1: to them breathe while they slept, and he liked the
Speaker 1: feeling of violating people's privacy and their sense of safety.
Speaker 3: Like he liked that.
Speaker 1: I think that's like what gave him more of a thrill,
Speaker 1: because it's like you can case a place and rob
Speaker 1: it when people aren't home. You know, people in Connecticut
Speaker 1: are going on vacations all the time. People in every
Speaker 1: state are going on vacations. You can always rob a
Speaker 1: house when people are gone.
Speaker 2: But is he like jerking off or it's just I
Speaker 2: like it? And I'm not even at this point, he
Speaker 2: is what I've heard. I don't think exert and jerk
Speaker 2: off either. I guess you can have urges that aren't Yeah, yeah, interesting,
Speaker 2: I'm really having.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give him all that much credit. You haven't
Speaker 3: heard the rest of the story. Uh, I'm not. I know.
Speaker 2: I'm now spiraling in a train of thought of like,
Speaker 2: you know, they obviously get a thrill from killing that
Speaker 2: people like to kill serial killers.
Speaker 3: Is it always sexual?
Speaker 2: But I guess no, because if you like skydiving, it's
Speaker 2: not so maybe like skydiving, and.
Speaker 1: It could just be control, which can also be sexual,
Speaker 1: but you know, doesn't have to be. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: with Dexter, I think he liked the I don't think
Speaker 1: it was you know that he's also you know, a
Speaker 1: fictional character that we both enjoy. But Komisarjevsky was adopted
Speaker 1: and his biological family had a history of mental illness,
Speaker 1: and then according to people in this documentary that I watched,
Speaker 1: he was adopted by a family that had like no
Speaker 1: ability to handle his mental issues. He was also sexually
Speaker 1: abused and tortured by a foster brother that his parents
Speaker 1: took in at a very young age and for a
Speaker 1: long time. And you know, it's just like a recipe
Speaker 1: for him to become a criminal. I feel like he
Speaker 1: was abused. He was apparently his family was church going
Speaker 1: where he was learning that homosexuality was the sin while
Speaker 1: he was being molested, so he probably thought he was
Speaker 1: evil in some way. There's like a lot going on
Speaker 1: with this guy. And he was convicted of for the
Speaker 1: eighteen home invasions. He was convicted of twelve. He got
Speaker 1: nine years, but he was paroled in April of two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Just months before he spotted the Petits
Speaker 1: on this grocery shopping trip. When he was released from prison,
Speaker 1: he lived in a halfway house, which is where he
Speaker 1: met at the time Stephen Hayes, age forty four. I
Speaker 1: just want to make a note later Stephen came out
Speaker 1: as trans and now goes by Linda, so she will
Speaker 1: be referred to that way the rest of the time.
Speaker 1: I just don't want anyone to be confused, because when
Speaker 1: we think about this crime, I think we think that
Speaker 1: it was committed by two men, But Linda Hayes is
Speaker 1: a transgender woman, so Hayes. Hayes was forty four when
Speaker 1: they met at the halfway house and was a career
Speaker 1: criminal who had been arrested over thirty times from the
Speaker 1: time she was sixteen up until what happened in Cheshire.
Speaker 1: She was also sexually abused as a child, and she
Speaker 1: was sixteen years older than Komisarjevski when they met. So
Speaker 1: after Komisarjevsky spotted Jennifer and her daughter, he enlisted Hayes's
Speaker 1: help to rob their home.
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder if this is how the wet
Speaker 2: Bandits met halfway houses.
Speaker 3: I didn't you know you don't think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but these and there's an SVU like the you know,
Speaker 2: the rapists in that group, they all meet together, like yeah,
Speaker 2: they meet in prison, they meet at these places and
Speaker 2: then they decide to do crimes.
Speaker 3: Together or the pick up basketball game. This is out
Speaker 3: of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly, like I think that the mother and the
Speaker 1: daughter like looked rich, and so his idea was to
Speaker 1: rob them. But also he was attracted to the eleven
Speaker 1: year old named Mikaila. Komas ar Jefski was the younger one.
Speaker 1: So the two perps texted back and forth all this
Speaker 1: stuff later that night, stuff like quote unquote, I'm chomping
Speaker 1: at the bit to get started. That's something Hayes wrote
Speaker 1: to kamas ar Jefski at seven forty five that night.
Speaker 1: Also she wrote, quote Nita Margarita soon, very casual conversation.
Speaker 3: But you know, they were planning.
Speaker 1: To just rob the petits, tie the family up, and
Speaker 1: they had no plan to physically harm them.
Speaker 3: So that night, after seeing.
Speaker 1: Them at the grocery store, but technically it's the early
Speaker 1: morning of July twenty third, because he'd seen them on
Speaker 1: the twenty second, komis ar Jevsky and Hayes break in
Speaker 1: around three am. Komis Ar Jefski gets in through the
Speaker 1: basement door, where he found William Pettitt asleep in a
Speaker 1: sun room. He took a baseball bat that he found
Speaker 1: and struck Pettit multiple times. So this is a lot
Speaker 1: like the episode where they sort of disarmed the father
Speaker 1: of the house by beating him senseless and then he
Speaker 1: was tied up with zip ties and rope by both
Speaker 1: of the perpetrators.
Speaker 3: Then they tied up.
Speaker 1: The mother and the two daughters in each of their
Speaker 1: bedrooms and pillowcases were put over their heads. They searched
Speaker 1: the house for money. They found some, but they weren't satisfied.
Speaker 1: The next thing that happened weirdly is that Hayes took
Speaker 1: two gas cans from the Petit home and is seen
Speaker 1: on security footage filling them with ten dollars of gas
Speaker 1: at a local gas station. When she returned to the house,
Speaker 1: Hayes took Hawk Pettit, the mother Jennifer, to a Bank
Speaker 1: of America where he forced her to withdraw fifteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Jennifer very calmly. This is like all in the documentary.
Speaker 1: There's footage of this and everything. She very calmly informs
Speaker 1: the teller that there are men holding her husband and
Speaker 1: daughters hostage back home and threatening to kill them. So
Speaker 1: the bank, the woman didn't say call nine one one
Speaker 1: or anything, she just tells them and then the bank
Speaker 1: manager calls nine one one, The Cheshire Police Department comes
Speaker 1: to the bank, then to the pet at home. During
Speaker 1: this trip to the bank, Komas ar Jefski does sexually
Speaker 1: assault Mikaela, the eleven year old, which he eventually confessed to.
Speaker 1: He also claimed he thought she was fourteen or sixteen. Again,
Speaker 1: he's so's he's a horrible, horrible criminal. But what's so
Speaker 1: fucked up and disgusting and really kind of traumatizing when
Speaker 1: you watch the documentary is that he keeps referring to
Speaker 1: Mikayla as KK, which is her family's nickname for her.
Speaker 1: And they're like, did she tell you to call him that?
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, that's like what her family calls her.
Speaker 1: Like he's sick, you know, like he just keeps going down.
Speaker 1: I went into Kk's room then I did this to KK.
Speaker 1: Like it's so gross because that's like a pet name.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: I think he probably overheard the mom say it to her,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe she had something in her room
Speaker 1: that had it written or something. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like that's a nickname, and like in the doc documentary,
Speaker 1: the family members are like, how dare you like use
Speaker 1: that name? Like that's you know, that's not yours to use.
Speaker 1: And he took photos of the assault on his phone.
Speaker 1: They also later found traces of bleach on Mikaela, so
Speaker 1: they think it's possible that he tried to destroy evidence
Speaker 1: of the sexual assault. But he literally when he's describing
Speaker 1: it in his confession, he says one thing led to another,
Speaker 1: like he's sick. He thinks that this is like a
Speaker 1: romance between him and this eleven year old. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: cops did not just like chase down Jennifer's car from
Speaker 1: the bank, which they did have a description of, and
Speaker 1: when they got to the house, they did spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time quote unquote assessing the situation and setting
Speaker 1: up a perimeter like they do in the show. And
Speaker 1: it was during this time that the perpetrators really strayed
Speaker 1: from their original plan, which was just to rob these
Speaker 1: people and not harm them. But their stories differ, so
Speaker 1: from Hayes's point of view, when she got back from
Speaker 1: the bank run with the mom, she goes, Okay, we've
Speaker 1: got the money, let's get out of here. But Koma Starjewsky,
Speaker 1: this is, according to Hayes, said, oh no, I left
Speaker 1: DNA on one of the girls, and then I had
Speaker 1: to kill her, and doctor Pettitt also died of his injuries,
Speaker 1: so now it's on you to get your hands dirty,
Speaker 1: and you have to kill the wife. None of those
Speaker 1: things are true. The daughter was not dead yet and
Speaker 1: the father had not died. So this is what Hayes
Speaker 1: says that Komas Sarjevski was doing to try to make
Speaker 1: draw her into the crime more because she says, I
Speaker 1: never wanted to kill anyone. But she also feels betrayed
Speaker 1: by Jennifer Pettit because she looks out the window and
Speaker 1: sees all these this police president and she's like, fuck,
Speaker 1: she called the cops while we were at the bank,
Speaker 1: and so she flies into a rage. She strangles Jennifer
Speaker 1: to death and then sexually assaults her after her death,
Speaker 1: which is horrible, And there's actually other information online that
Speaker 1: disputes this, But this information is from the documentary which
Speaker 1: I kind of trust the most because it's a lot
Speaker 1: of the investigators and lawyers that are involved in the
Speaker 1: actual crime giving this information. So Hayes admits to strangling
Speaker 1: and sexually assaulting Jennifer hawk Pettit.
Speaker 3: Kombus Arjewsky's side.
Speaker 1: Is that Hayes was like, Okay, we got the money,
Speaker 1: let's kill them all and burn the house down, and
Speaker 1: komas Arjewsky was like, I'm not killing anyone, and Hayes said,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'll take care of all of them myself,
Speaker 1: And komas Arjewsky said that he said to Hayes, You're
Speaker 1: not seriously going to burn these two girls alive, are you.
Speaker 1: But then he also says that he went upstairs to
Speaker 1: their bedrooms where they were tied up and closed their
Speaker 1: doors and that it never crossed his mind to untie
Speaker 1: them to save them. If he's the one that is
Speaker 1: not the mastermind behind all this, and he claims that
Speaker 1: Hayes is the one who threw the gas around, lit
Speaker 1: the fire, and his lawyers had a neuropsychologist testify that
Speaker 1: he was unable to make quick decisions and stressful situations.
Speaker 1: Who knows, We really have no idea whose version of
Speaker 1: this story to believe, and unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Either way, they're both bad. They're both bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're two deeperent damaged psychopaths, like they're equally responsible.
Speaker 3: But it's very I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what they're arguing. It's like, it doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter who the mastermind is. You both killed.
Speaker 1: People because they're both trying to not get the death penalty.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of arguing over who was
Speaker 1: going to be who was the mastermind both the death penalty?
Speaker 3: How about that? Who made who do it?
Speaker 1: I'm against it, but yeah, this actually gets more into that.
Speaker 1: Actually honestly, so it's fucked up. They set this up.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, let's not forget that. William Pettitt Junior the
Speaker 1: follow up, father is still in the basement, bleeding profusely
Speaker 1: from his head wounds. He's bound and he's heard his
Speaker 1: whole families. He's heard his wife's attack, and he called
Speaker 1: out to her, but one of the assailants yelled down, quote,
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's all going to be over in a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: That's when he knew he had to escape, because he thought, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just going to murder all of us. So he
Speaker 1: did manage to break out of the basement, his ankles
Speaker 1: still bound, and he rolled himself across two yards to
Speaker 1: get help, and he was discovered yelling for help in
Speaker 1: I think a neighboring backyard. So now, after Hayes killed Jennifer,
Speaker 1: they both doused the bodies I think, and the home
Speaker 1: and gas and set it on fire. Hayley, the older daughter,
Speaker 1: had managed to escape her restraints. She ran out of
Speaker 1: the room and into the hallway, but she was found
Speaker 1: dead at the top of the staircase. They think she
Speaker 1: you know, collapsed and Haley and Michaela both died of
Speaker 1: smoke inhalation. There was accelerant found on the girl's clothes,
Speaker 1: so one or both of these monsters did pour gas
Speaker 1: directly onto them. They both had burns and it was
Speaker 1: hard to determine if they suffered pre or post mortem,
Speaker 1: but at trial it did seem like at least Haley
Speaker 1: was alive when some of the fire got to her.
Speaker 3: It's really, it's really horrific. I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 1: Like the most horrific home invasion story pretty much of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: Well, because when you when you were talking about the
Speaker 2: gasoline and that's kind of my brain actually went to
Speaker 2: a horrible place, but not as horrible as this. Yeah, shockingly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought it was to like maybe suffocate them in
Speaker 2: the garage and so there needed to be more gas
Speaker 2: or no. This is awful, Like even though arguing about
Speaker 2: the death penalty, like they even if you're a mastermind
Speaker 2: or not, you both deserve it, Like I don't belie
Speaker 2: even if I don't, like if that's the law of
Speaker 2: that state, Like you watch someone poor gasoline or you
Speaker 2: poured the gas, Like what are we talking about here,
Speaker 2: Because even if that other one didn't pour the gasoline,
Speaker 2: then you still strangled someone in a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's fucking horrific. So it's tough because the
Speaker 1: cops do seem to be making a lot of fuck ups.
Speaker 1: But it's also like Cheshire, Connecticut is not seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of huge crimes like this, you know, so like
Speaker 1: they waited too long to answer the to get into
Speaker 1: the house setting up a perimeter. The cops also never
Speaker 1: called any firefighters, so when the like just to be
Speaker 1: just as a precaution, they could have just called firefighters.
Speaker 1: But then the fire breaks out and the cops are
Speaker 1: trying to put it out with a garden hose. Then
Speaker 1: as they see the house going up in flames, the
Speaker 1: cops see Hazen Comsarjevski jump into Jennifer's SVU and take off,
Speaker 1: which they obviously have a barricade set up.
Speaker 3: They chase them.
Speaker 1: They smashed into a police car a block away. Smoke
Speaker 1: starts to pour out of the accident, and that's when
Speaker 1: somebody calls the fire department. When both of the perps
Speaker 1: are apprehended and pulled out of the car. Are This
Speaker 1: is an interesting point that Colemis ar Jefski's lawyer's point to,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it really means anything. Hayes
Speaker 1: gave a fake name and said she didn't know if
Speaker 1: anyone else was in the house, Like she didn't know
Speaker 1: if anyone was in the house, Like she gave a
Speaker 1: fake name, and then they were like, is anyone in
Speaker 1: the house, and she was like, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: then when Klemis ar Jefsky was questioned, he gave his
Speaker 1: real name and he goes, there's a woman in there.
Speaker 1: She's dead, I think, and her two daughters are upstairs.
Speaker 1: So Klemis ar Jefski's lawyers are trying to argue that
Speaker 1: there is proof that he had no intent to kill
Speaker 1: because he was helping the cops as soon as he
Speaker 1: got busted. So it's really wild though, because from the
Speaker 1: time the fire trucks pulled up, it had been forty
Speaker 1: minutes since Jennifer had been in front of the bank teller,
Speaker 1: so all most of the crimes against them physically happened
Speaker 1: in those forty minutes. Like the home invasion lasted seven hours,
Speaker 1: but the violence happened in this really short period of
Speaker 1: time after the bank stop. Like later during trial, when
Speaker 1: asked why the cops hesitated for so long, the town
Speaker 1: police Captain Robert Vignola said that there were no external
Speaker 1: signs of violence at the home and that there had
Speaker 1: been initial like confusion over what.
Speaker 3: Was going on.
Speaker 1: Like everybody at the time was like, kudos to the
Speaker 1: Cheshire Police Department. But then during trial it started came
Speaker 1: out that like the family almost could have been rescued,
Speaker 1: or or at least the daughters might have been rescued
Speaker 1: if they had acted quicker and been more decisive. But
Speaker 1: then it's like, when I watch this episode, you've got
Speaker 1: people in a house you don't know if they've got
Speaker 1: a gun on these girls, Like you don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you just bust in and say we're here,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do have to kind of follow
Speaker 1: a protocol and set up a perimeter. But then at
Speaker 1: the same time, look at Uvalde, where like they just
Speaker 1: didn't fucking do shit and said they were setting up
Speaker 1: a perimeter and they that was the time that they
Speaker 1: could have been stopping this criminal.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point because it's like if you know,
Speaker 2: it's like they don't the cops don't have money in
Speaker 2: the bank, yeacause you and your campers like to say,
Speaker 2: like we don't give cops the benefit of the doubt, yeah,
Speaker 2: because how could you with all the evidence in front
Speaker 2: of you. So it's like if we had more trust
Speaker 2: in officers and their duties and how they you know, act,
Speaker 2: we could be like they did the right thing, They
Speaker 2: followed everything right, because that's what you need to do.
Speaker 3: And this is a terrible thing.
Speaker 2: But we know cops are fucking dumb, yeah, and don't
Speaker 2: care at their jobs.
Speaker 3: And Uvaldi is like such a fu you know what.
Speaker 2: That like left my consciousness for a moment and like
Speaker 2: that hands like the cops getting hand sanitizer and just
Speaker 2: standing there, just standing and like people not being more mad,
Speaker 2: Like how did it? That was like a situation where
Speaker 2: they heard gunfire and they weren't doing anything like in
Speaker 2: this situation, like it's just the outside of a house
Speaker 2: and they've gotten this call for a bank teller and
Speaker 2: then everything happens so fast, like in forty minutes, they combined, murdered,
Speaker 2: strangled a woman, sexually assaulted her, doused the house, and
Speaker 2: gasoline did all these things together.
Speaker 1: It was so fast. I'm I don't know if they
Speaker 1: thought and who went to get to get the gasoline? Hayes,
Speaker 1: What do people think?
Speaker 2: I mean, are there like people are split on the
Speaker 2: theory of like which who I was?
Speaker 1: I mean, I will get to the court case. Okay, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: it really is pretty split. I mean, like nobody knows.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay. So, Hayes and Klomus Arjevsky both confessed
Speaker 1: to their crimes, but they both claim the other was
Speaker 1: the mastermind. In twenty ten, Hayes gets tried first, and
Speaker 1: her defense team tried to use klomus s Arjevsky's own
Speaker 1: journals to paint him as the disturbed one who escalated
Speaker 1: the violence like and he does seem like the more
Speaker 1: dark and psychopathic one. Like the journals have like all
Speaker 1: these like rambling things about you know, the darkness and
Speaker 1: this and that, and I wanted people to feel my pain,
Speaker 1: so that my pain like you know when you see
Speaker 1: the look of pain on people's faces and this and that.
Speaker 1: But his journals were seized from his prison cell and
Speaker 1: they were read aloud at the trial by a court clerk,
Speaker 1: and he wrote shit like quote, I've been playing Russian
Speaker 1: Roulette most of my life. This time I pulled the
Speaker 1: trigger and the chamber was loaded. Exclam end quote not
Speaker 1: exclamation point, would be wild. He also called William Pettit
Speaker 1: a coward for not saving his family, and it's like
Speaker 1: you bashed his head in with a baseball bat, and
Speaker 1: it's like, if you wanted to save your family, you
Speaker 1: would have like he does that in his journals and
Speaker 1: it's really fucked up. And he also claims that Hayes
Speaker 1: is the one who escalated the violence by strangling Jennifer,
Speaker 1: but he had also committed a sexual assault on a
Speaker 1: young girl, so who knows. For the first time in
Speaker 1: Connecticut history, with this case, jurors were offered PTSD stress
Speaker 1: assistant because they spent two months seeing and hearing all
Speaker 1: of these horrific details. And the trial began in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: It ended in twenty ten. Hayes was convicted and sentenced
Speaker 1: to death. Hayes smiled when the verdict and sentencing was read.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be put to death. In twenty fifteen, however,
Speaker 1: the Connecticut Supreme Court abolished capital punishment, so their sentences
Speaker 1: were vacated and Hayes was given six life sentences. William Pettitt, actually,
Speaker 1: who is a Republican publicly spoke out for the death penalty,
Speaker 1: was pissed that these two assailants were going to avoid
Speaker 1: being put to death because he was on radio shows
Speaker 1: and doing publicity saying the death penalty is a deterrent
Speaker 1: because it puts a person who commits crimes out of
Speaker 1: the universe. Because there's proof that it's not a deterrent
Speaker 1: to people like criminals don't think about the death penalty
Speaker 1: when they're committing a crime.
Speaker 3: They're not like, what if I get the death penalty?
Speaker 1: But his point is, yeah, but that's another person who
Speaker 1: commits crimes being put out off the streets. But I
Speaker 1: think that's also what prison does. So the following year,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, is Coomas s Arjewski's trial. He's convicted, also
Speaker 1: sentenced to death. His sentence is also commuted to life
Speaker 1: in prison in twenty fifteen, and this fucker, I mean,
Speaker 1: Hayes at least was like, it's over for me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to put this family through anything else.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Komas Arjevsky tried to appeal and appeal and each one
Speaker 1: got rejected, and he even tried to get to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court and they just they declined.
Speaker 3: To hear the case.
Speaker 1: This case definitely made a mark on Connecticut law. Like
Speaker 1: one week after the crime, Governor Jody Well ordered electronic
Speaker 1: monitoring of parole burglars that September, just a couple months later,
Speaker 1: she banned parole for violent offenders and ordered review of
Speaker 1: convicts already on parole. And in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: she signed a forty three page bipartisan crime bill in
Speaker 1: which home invasion became a new class of crime that
Speaker 1: came with a prison sentence of up to twenty five years.
Speaker 1: So definitely made its mark in Connecticut law wise. So
Speaker 1: home invasions are punished more harshly. William Pettitt, the sole survivor,
Speaker 1: never went back to working as a doctor and instead
Speaker 1: worked on running his family's foundations. In August of twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: he remarried someone named Christine, who was a volunteer with
Speaker 1: the Pettitt Family Foundation, and in twenty sixteen he ran
Speaker 1: and was elected as the Connecticut state representative in the
Speaker 1: Connecticut General Assembly. So she was in the House of
Speaker 1: Representatives for Connecticut, and in twenty nineteen, in a jailhouse
Speaker 1: interview with a podcast, Hayes revealed she was transgender and
Speaker 1: was undergoing hormone therapy to transition. Hayes said, quote, I'm
Speaker 1: a transgender. I was diagnosed at sixteen with sexual identity disorder.
Speaker 1: My family never acknowledged it and it was never.
Speaker 3: Treated end quote.
Speaker 1: So I was reading a lot of information about trans
Speaker 1: services in jails, and I think it probably various states
Speaker 1: to state, but what I was reading was that there
Speaker 1: is like gender dysphoria treatment that you can go through,
Speaker 1: like hormones and stuff like that, but they won't do
Speaker 1: gender reassignment actually in prison, like that won't be covered,
Speaker 1: but there is thousands of dollars for each inmate worth
Speaker 1: of gender dysphoria treatment. And I believe that there was
Speaker 1: actually a high percentage of numbers of inmates who identify
Speaker 1: as transgender. But I don't think they get moved.
Speaker 2: It is wild that it took something like this to
Speaker 2: ban parole for violent offenders.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do believe in parole.
Speaker 1: I Nah, maybe it's like a three strikes I don't
Speaker 1: really know how it should go. But when Hayes did
Speaker 1: the podcast, she still used the name Stephen, but I
Speaker 1: believe now uses the name Linda, and at the time,
Speaker 1: like never said anything about pronouns. But Hayes is incarcerated
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, as is Colmus sar Jevski. They're in separate prisons.
Speaker 1: But in this New York Times article, they talked to
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections and said
Speaker 1: that she couldn't comment on a specific inmate, but that
Speaker 1: there were two hundred and twenty two self reported transgender
Speaker 1: person's in state correctional institutions, and that they don't pay
Speaker 1: for gender affirmation surgeries, but they spend sixty thousand a
Speaker 1: year and up to six hundred per inmate for medication
Speaker 1: and treat inmates who have gender dysphoria, and so I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting, like she is getting treatment for this,
Speaker 1: but she will not be moved probably to a female prison.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that that's even something that she's
Speaker 1: trying to have done. But and so that is that
Speaker 1: it is so horrific, but you know there is a foundation.
Speaker 1: And well I'm going to talk about this and sister
Speaker 1: peg so but I felt I had to bring it
Speaker 1: to your ears.
Speaker 3: Everybody. All right, Well, we don't have a guest, so
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: Now guests, so let's just sail into this post forum
Speaker 1: on a river of blackness. So, as we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: no guests today, but we will just hop right into
Speaker 1: that post mortem. Baby.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, don't get addicted to drugs, don't do drugs.
Speaker 1: No, and like such a dark episode. I remember like
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, this episode is so dark
Speaker 1: and I knew it right away. It was based off
Speaker 1: the Cheshure murders because you know, Connecticut crimes are close
Speaker 1: to my heart and I don't know this one.
Speaker 3: The one home invasions.
Speaker 2: We obviously already discussed how that's scary, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: anytime where a child is being assaulted or torture or
Speaker 2: hurt in front of family. Yeah, as an added layer
Speaker 2: of sad that I don't enjoy.
Speaker 3: Right, But it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 1: This episode, like the real crime, really got me thinking
Speaker 1: about just like how one thing can change in two seconds.
Speaker 1: Like if those two guys had not been at the
Speaker 1: same halfway house, would this have happened? If one of
Speaker 1: them hadn't spotted Mikila in the supermarket, would it have happened? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, just the whole randomness of like people crossing
Speaker 1: paths and how it can go so fucking wrong, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they both acted like that's not how they wanted the
Speaker 1: day to go.
Speaker 3: But it's like, but then who made it go that way? Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, It's well.
Speaker 2: I think that's also the thing when people like idolize
Speaker 2: these killers and are like, ugh, evil geniuses, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: they're evil and dumb too, Yeah, Like they're panicked, they're dumb,
Speaker 2: they don't know what to do, Like we have to
Speaker 2: stop giving them credit.
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean I'm trying to think, like who's
Speaker 1: the last evil genius serial killer people were into? Like
Speaker 1: people were upset, I mean people are obsessed with Dahmer.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I didn't watch Dahmer, and I had no
Speaker 2: interest to watch Dahmer, but I watched clips of the
Speaker 2: actor and like a Hollywood reporter round table and impressed
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: Oh, Evan Peters, he's very good. He said.
Speaker 2: He walked around with like weights in his hand to
Speaker 2: practice to get this the walk down, because the guy
Speaker 2: stood weird and like that. I admire that sort of preparation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so a part of me wants to kind of
Speaker 2: see that. And one of the ladies that was the
Speaker 2: meanest to us that we've ever interviewed, she's in that,
Speaker 2: so I kind of want to pay homage to her.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see her at her finest as well. Listen, No,
Speaker 2: the real crime is even worse. Like I was just
Speaker 2: still horrified and stuck on the episode that when you
Speaker 2: just started talking about the real crime, I was like huh,
Speaker 2: and then I went, oh my god, yeah, I forget that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: And the burning of it all, Like yes, it's like
Speaker 2: what we were talking about before. Though, It's like these
Speaker 2: smaller towns like they're just not ready for massive SVU
Speaker 2: level crimes happening. You know, like these cops in this
Speaker 2: little town were just like setting up a perimeter while
Speaker 2: all this was going down, and like, you know, it
Speaker 2: feels like the training was not there.
Speaker 3: Well not even training the bravery well.
Speaker 1: Right, but like some of these guys can be on
Speaker 1: the force for forty years in these towns and probably
Speaker 1: never like never deal with the murder, you know. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, is it bravery or like if you're
Speaker 1: if your guy is telling you, if your captain is
Speaker 1: telling you set up a perimmer. The whole structure of
Speaker 1: the military the police is like listen to your boss,
Speaker 1: like the top guy or whatever, right, like fall in line.
Speaker 3: It's ego, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like we talk about toxic masculinities so much, right, actually
Speaker 2: I don't think we do, but not like.
Speaker 3: I don't think we've ever mentioned it. I even never
Speaker 3: talked about it. We've talked about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's this thing of like, you know, the
Speaker 2: super masculine things where you have to be like the
Speaker 2: most masculine like military. Like you said, it's like, but
Speaker 2: the flaws of masculinity affect you guys negative, like you know,
Speaker 2: if they just let a let of a little bit
Speaker 2: of their ego go you know shit like that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: or like there's just certain stuff where I just keep
Speaker 2: thinking about the guy from conn Air. But it's like
Speaker 2: there are just some qualities that I wish instead of
Speaker 2: hyping up the masculine, they like chilled it out to
Speaker 2: like catapult and do better.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, well, I mean it was MEGHI
Speaker 1: me think too about Jeffrey Dahmer when we were talking
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, what if his parents had just
Speaker 1: been okay with him being gay? Like what if that
Speaker 1: had happened? You know, like I wonder if you would
Speaker 1: have turned into what he turned into, you know, nature
Speaker 1: versus nurture though.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, shall we get into our what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg Do?
Speaker 3: Shall we move it along? Yeah? We do a segment
Speaker 3: every week.
Speaker 1: If this is your first time listening to the podcast,
Speaker 1: What would Sister Peg Do? Is our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we direct you to an organization, an article, a book,
Speaker 1: a blog, another podcast episode, something to give you more
Speaker 1: info about what we talked about today, or possibly donate
Speaker 1: your time or money. And we wanted today to highlight
Speaker 1: the Pettit Family Foundation, the family from Cheshire. Who you
Speaker 1: know obviously endured this horrific crime. The father set up
Speaker 1: a foundation to honor the memories of Jennifer Haley and MICHAELA.
Speaker 1: Pettit by continuing the kindness, idealism, and activism that define
Speaker 1: their lives. The foundation's funds are given to foster the
Speaker 1: education of young people, especially women in the sciences, to
Speaker 1: improve the lives of those affected by chronic illness, and
Speaker 1: to help protect those affected by violence. They host fundraising
Speaker 1: events like golf tournaments, five k road races, you know,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And they sponsor a lot of grants for
Speaker 1: community members and organizations give out fellowships. So if you're
Speaker 1: interested in learning more or donating, there's more information at
Speaker 1: Petitfamilyfoundation dot org. That's pe t t is how you
Speaker 1: spell the last name Pettit Familyfoundation dot org And I
Speaker 1: post that day the episode comes out in a story
Speaker 1: that then gets saved forever on our Instagram pages highlight
Speaker 1: called WWSPD.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And next week we'll be doing
Speaker 2: Internal Affair from season fifteen, episode four, So can't wait
Speaker 2: for that.
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