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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease Calt, Mom Laurie Valo guilty,

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Speaker 1: guilty and the murders of her children Tyley and JJ.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the end, Caltmom Laurie Value facing more

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Speaker 1: murder charges in another jurisdiction. Will she get the death

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Speaker 1: witness against her prophet husband Chad Dabel. Is he planning

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Speaker 1: to put all the blame on her at his murder trial?

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Speaker 1: Will he get the death penalty? Or are they both

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Speaker 1: going to throw brother Alex Cox under the bus. In

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Speaker 1: the last hours, we see called Mom Laurie Valos mugshot.

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Speaker 1: She is glamed to the max with a full face

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Speaker 1: of makeup and a full head of air and a

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Speaker 1: smirky smile. This after being convicted in the murders for children.

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Vocination and Serious XEM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to hear what she said.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes she did. Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and

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Speaker 2: even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications, I

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Speaker 2: know for a fact that my children are happy and

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Speaker 2: busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with

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Speaker 2: my friend Tammy Dabel, I know that she is also

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Speaker 2: very happy and extremely busy.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, since they're very happy and they apparently have

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Speaker 1: new jobs in heaven. And I'm not saying that, I

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Speaker 1: doubt that, I guess call it mom. Lori Valo is

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Speaker 1: using their post mortem happiness in heaven as a reason

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Speaker 1: that she should not go to jail, but then to

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Speaker 1: just kick it all off. The cherry on top of

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Speaker 1: she actually quotes Christ as a reason she should not

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Speaker 2: I'd like to start by quoting John from the New

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Speaker 2: Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,

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Speaker 2: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let

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Speaker 2: him first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I judge no man.

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Speaker 2: And yet if I judge, my judgment is true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's conveniently leaving out that little caveat the ten

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Speaker 1: commandments thou shall not kill. But she goes on and somehow,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this in jest. I'm saying this

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Speaker 1: in anger. Somehow she's using or trying to use, our

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Speaker 1: Lord Christ as a PI, a private investigator. Listen to

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Speaker 1: cut four five two, Brace yourself.

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Speaker 2: Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I mourn with

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Speaker 2: all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus

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Speaker 2: Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ

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Speaker 2: knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental

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Speaker 2: deaths happen, suicides happen, Fatal side effects from medications happened.

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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton joining me along with an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now and

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Speaker 1: what is coming next for coltmom Laurie Valo. Nate Eaten,

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Speaker 1: news director Eastidaho News dot Com, on the story from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning. He was the one chasing colt mom

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Speaker 1: Lori Valo along the sidewalk in Hawaii, asking her, where

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Speaker 1: are your children? Where are your children? Where are your children?

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Speaker 1: That was him. That's how long he has been trying

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Speaker 1: since day one. I'm actually getting chills. That this woman

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Speaker 1: used Christ is a reason she should not go to jail.

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Speaker 1: her in that context, and she can do that behind bars.

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Speaker 3: Well, she will be doing that behind bars to the

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Speaker 3: rest of her life, Nancy, because the judge sentenced her

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Speaker 3: to five life sentences, three consecutives that will run one

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Speaker 1: Why do you insist on calling her by her first

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Speaker 3: We haven't heard a word from her, Nancy. And so

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Speaker 3: I think everybody was waiting to see, will she finally

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Speaker 1: markin Tate is with me, high profile trial lawyer with

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Speaker 1: the Tate Group, and you can find it on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Tate Law Group. She actually said that her son,

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Speaker 4: God, it's just disgusting. And you know, and I say this, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: and I bring to you, know, your discussion sometimes a

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you I have dealt with

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Speaker 4: Prisoners and I used to work in the in the

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Speaker 4: Georgia Prisoner Legal Counseling Project, reviewing convictions in various other

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Speaker 4: aspects of prison and sentencing. This is one of the

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Speaker 4: worst dependents that I can remember who's actually allowed to

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's more like this, this thing, this woman

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Speaker 4: you're thinking, you know, if there ever was a need,

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Speaker 4: if there was a reason, even if it's just retribution,

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys with Me in addition

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Speaker 1: to our all star panel, Doctor Angie Arnold with Us, Robin,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, Nate of course, Nate Aidon, Mark Tate.

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Speaker 1: Two very special guests joining me right now, Adam Cox,

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Speaker 1: who is Laurie Valo's brother, and Rex Connor, Laurie Valo

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Speaker 1: just the way you put that in that title really

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Speaker 1: says it all. Lurie Lori Valos, Lies and Family Ties

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Speaker 1: Healing from the Tiley in JJ Tragedy. To you, Adam Cox,

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Speaker 1: this is Caltman, Laurie Valo's brother her. I would like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not We're not offended by anything that you said. Nancy.

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Speaker 5: obviously when you listen to her speak, she's she's delusional.

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Speaker 5: She's she's out of her mind, basically, Otherwise, you know,

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Speaker 1: Okay, see, I know you're calt Mal, Lauren Valley's brother.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that you wrote the book and hosts

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Speaker 1: this moment. This weekend, Sunday mark the day that my

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Speaker 1: I literally feel sick. And when I think of Lori

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, man say it's hard to talk

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Speaker 1: Right now, Rex, the anger at Caltmam Laurie Vale. Not

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Speaker 6: Of course we're going to the therapy ourselves, but we're

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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to know the name of this again.

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Speaker 1: Adam Cox and Rex Connor podcast Tyley and JJ's Silver Linings,

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Speaker 1: Tiley and JJ Tragedy. Rex, when did it finally sink in?

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Speaker 1: So the prophet was it husband Nate? Is he husband four?

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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, I believe that what we're going to

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Speaker 7: He is a different creature.

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Speaker 7: Know, Nancy. All of this that Laurie did during the

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Speaker 7: She is not mentally ill. She has got a personality disorder.

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Speaker 1: He's an a whole. He is an a hole, I

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Speaker 3: Do you remember the text he sent Laurie Nancy where

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Speaker 3: He finally figured out who he was. He felt like

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Speaker 1: It is Okay, you know what, Nate Ayton, I want

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Speaker 1: She didn't finish that sentence until you murdered me and

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Speaker 1: at people Formula. Okay, Robin Drake, you must have been

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Speaker 8: Yeah, she is, just as there was saying, this is

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Speaker 8: The lawyer's statement that he made was either it was

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe one of the reasons they did not bring

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Speaker 1: Adam Cox, you said that she had only began began

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Speaker 5: She wanted to feel special like some of these people

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Speaker 5: that wrote books about their near death experiences. So when

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Speaker 5: she said that in court about a near death experience

434
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Speaker 5: when she was having Kyleie, I've never heard her say

435
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: that before. It was out of left field, which led

436
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Speaker 5: me to believe that these near death experiences, reading these

437
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 5: books went her down a rabbit hole of she wanted

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Speaker 5: to be special spiritually, and then her jumping on the

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Speaker 5: Julie Road bandwagon and listening to her podcast and saying, oh,

440
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: Julie Row were Kendall's sisters, and we knew each other

441
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Speaker 5: in the spare world, and I'm going to defend her

442
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 5: and I'm going to be Julie Roe's friend. And then

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Speaker 5: I think that's how she met Chad. So and you know,

444
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: with all those things, all those people want to predict

445
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 5: the end of the world, they want to, you know,

446
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Speaker 5: be special, they want to have these spiritual experiences. So

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Speaker 5: I feel like Laurie was already headed under the direction,

448
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 5: but once she met Chad and Chad's you know, in

449
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 5: his computers, you know there's light spirits, your number four

450
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: dark spirit He said that Charles was a guy named

451
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Speaker 5: Ned and he was living in Charles's body in Charles

452
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 5: was already dead. Like Lauri and Alex believed everything Chad said.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know how you could believe. I don't

454
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Speaker 5: know how anybody in the right mind could could believe anything.

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Speaker 5: That's that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Adam Cox lri Vellows brother, let me ask you a

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Speaker 1: few quick yes, no questions. Isn't it true that when

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Speaker 1: Lorii Vallo was asked where are your children, she lied

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Speaker 1: and said they were visiting a relative isn't that true?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay? And isn't it true that at that time they

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Speaker 1: were already dead? The children were dead? Isn't that true?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that when police came to her home

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Speaker 1: I believe it was in Rexburg, came to her home

466
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: and asked her where are the children? The very next

467
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Speaker 1: day they went back and she had cleared out, moving

468
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Speaker 1: all of her possession, possessions and ski daddling fleeing the jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Another quick question, isn't it true, Adam Cox, that

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Speaker 1: before Timmy Dave Bell was murdered in her sleep that

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Speaker 1: called my Laurie Valo went onto Amazon and researched beach

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Speaker 1: b e a h wedding dress. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And then, miraculously quite the coincidence, just weeks later, Tammy

477
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Speaker 1: Day Bell was dead and Lori Vallo had a beach

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Speaker 1: wedding wearing the dress she ordered on Amazon before Tammy

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Speaker 1: Day Bell was killed. That was convenient because Colt Mom

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Speaker 1: married Tammy Day Bell's husband, Chad day Bell. Isn't that true? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't all that suggests to you that she could plan

482
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Speaker 1: very cold heartedly, very calculated. What was happening, her obsivacation,

483
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: her cover up, her lies, she planned it. It's very clear,

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Speaker 1: is it not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that said doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist. I would

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Speaker 1: submit and strongly arguelt Mom, Laurie Vallo. She's not crazy,

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Speaker 1: she's crazy like a fox.

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Speaker 7: Yes she is. Now she's a narcissist, Nancy, you can

490
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Speaker 7: have a personality disorder and not be considered crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, all that narcissist means is it's named after Narcissus,

492
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: the Greek mythological figure that fell in love with its

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Speaker 1: own reflection, and I believe fell into the water and

494
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Speaker 1: died staring at himself. So that's not crazy. Time stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Guys. Doctor Tim Gallagher is with US

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner for the State of Florida. You can find

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Speaker 1: him at pathcaremed dot com, Lecturer University of Florida Medical

498
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Speaker 1: School and Forensic Medicine, and the founder and creator of

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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. I would be

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Speaker 1: in complete heaven there, doctor Gallagher. All of this talk

501
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: about narcissism and her crazy, wacko religious beliefs that's a

502
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: cover for murder. These children were buried in Chad day

503
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: Bell's pet cemetery. Tiley was horribly rendered, cut up, burned up.

504
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing left of her but a few bones, bone

505
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: remains in a bucket of flesh. How difficult is it?

506
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: Dr Gallagher to dismember someone and render them This teen

507
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: girl like she's an animal at a slaughterhouse and called mom.

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: Lorie Valla stood by knowing that was happening.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's extremely difficult to dismember somebody, Nancy. If you

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00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 9: think about the average person, each leg must weigh thirty

511
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 9: forty pounds to torso maybe seventy five pounds, you know,

512
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Speaker 9: So it's very physical, the very physical demand to actually

513
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Speaker 9: dismember somebody, Now, to burn somebody, and to get them

514
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 9: down to a point where they're unrecognizable, you know, takes

515
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 9: an extremely long time. We're talking eight, ten, twelve hours

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00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 9: burning at a very high temperature, a temperature higher than

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Speaker 9: most wood can attain. Most most of the crematoriums use

518
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 9: a buttane or gas type of fire because regular wood

519
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 9: or coal cannot even get that high. So it would

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00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 9: take a large degree of preparation, a large degree of

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00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 9: material and a larger view of strength to dismember somebody

522
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 9: and to burn them into an unrecognizable state. I don't

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Speaker 9: think that one person can do that on their own.

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Speaker 1: Rice Connor joining me, Lori Valow's uncle, host of Tyley

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00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: and JJ's Silver Linings podcast along with Adam Cox. When

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Speaker 1: you think that Lorie Valo sat by while that was

527
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: happening to Tylie, the dismemberment, the burning of her human flesh,

528
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: so there's nothing left but singed fat. That's the truth.

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: Do I like saying it? No? It tastes like poison

530
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: in my mouth, like dirt, But that's the truth. And

531
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: when those two were on the phone, when Dave Bell

532
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: and she talked on the phone during the police search,

533
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: that she was so calm. She's like, he says, cops

534
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: are here searching place. And she doesn't say, why are

535
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: the cops at your place? What's going on? She says,

536
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: have they found anything? Like she knows something's there to find.

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00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: She stood by, according to this jury, and let this

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00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: happen to Tylie.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and thank you for that graphic detail. But she

540
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 6: of all the titles have been bantied about, and I

541
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Speaker 6: respect everyone's professional perspective and putting the right title on

542
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 6: her condition. The title that sits best for me that

543
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 6: I stick with is she's evil. This was an act

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00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 6: of evil, regardless of the whatever psychology was involved, whatever

545
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 6: her background is, whatever influenced that. It's old fashioned evil.

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00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 6: And I don't know a better way to describe it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rex, I'm so glad you said that because

548
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: in my line of business, you know, journalists as they

549
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: call themselves, they don't like to talk about evil. They

550
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: like to talk about forensics and psychology and psychiatry, completely

551
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that there is evil in this world.

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00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: To Nate Eaton news director Eastidehoews dot com, I want

553
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: to talk about Chad Dabel for one minute. The death

554
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: penalty is still on the table for him. Now some

555
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: juries may have a problem. I'm giving him the death penalty.

556
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: When she called Mamaury Value did not get the death

557
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: penalty since they essentially did the same thing. But in

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00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: my mind, here is the difference. You heard Adam Cox's state,

559
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: and I believe correctly that cult Mam Laura Valle had

560
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: a personality change, and this occurred according to me, after

561
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: she got in with Chad Dave bel a so called prophet.

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: He was like a sphingali over her. That does not

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00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: absolve her of guilt, But I'd also like to point

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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: out that the change in her demeanor coupled with the

565
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: fact that I don't believe she had the meddle wherewithal

566
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: to orchestrate this whole thing. He is the master manipulator.

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00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? And when is his trial?

568
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Will she be a witness? And what about her other

569
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: charges in Arizona?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this case is far from over. Chad

571
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: goes before a jury in April twenty twenty four. The

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00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: one difference between his and Laurie's trial is he's facing

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Speaker 3: a first degree murder charge for Tammy. Laurie was only

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Speaker 3: facing the conspiracy for that murder, so prosecutors obviously feel

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Speaker 3: they have more on Chad's involvement with his wife.

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00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Nate eight n s a charge and the alternative with

577
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder of Tammy Dabo.

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Speaker 3: He is he's charged with bull so there is an

579
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: additional charge, so there will be more evidence that comes

580
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: in his case. As for Lourie, she's facing two charges

581
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: still in Arizona. Maricopa County has said they plan to

582
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: extradite her as soon as they can. That's for conspiracy

583
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: to commit murder on her fourth husband, Charles, and conspiracy

584
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Speaker 3: to commit murder on her former nephew, Brandon, who was

585
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: shot at on his way home from the gym. Fortunately

586
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: he survives, so her legal troubles are far from over.

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Speaker 3: As for whether a jury would give him death over her,

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Speaker 3: I think it would all depend on what type of

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00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: evidence they present. I mean, if they're going to show

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00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: those autopsy photos again of those children, they're going to

591
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: talk more about Tammy's death, and it could go either

592
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: way unless he decides to suddenly change his plea now

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: that he sees that his wife is going away for life.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the key to that prosecution is going

595
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: to be Tammy Dave Bell's death. He was asleep with her,

596
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: she dies in the night through asphyxiation, and he refuses

597
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Speaker 1: an autopsy. Then a few weeks later he marries called

598
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: man Lauri Valo. They had already picked out his outfit

599
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: and her outfit, the bride and the groom before Tammy died,

600
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: so they're going to be arguing. Not only do the

601
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: children end up dead in his pet cemetery, but he

602
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: killed Tammy Daybell and that may be the key right

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00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: there to his death penalty sentence. The other charges that

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Speaker 1: calt Mat Laurie Valo is facing regarding Charles Valow who

605
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: was shot dead by Alex coxwell, she's standing right there

606
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Speaker 1: egging him on. And the conspiracy to murder the ex

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Speaker 1: husband of her niece. His name is Brandon Budreau or

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Speaker 1: either of those fly out murder charges, Well, it would

609
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: only relate to value or is it? Are they both

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00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder? And if they are conspiracy to

611
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: commit murders? Can she get the death penalty on conspiracy?

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Speaker 3: As of now they're both conspiracy. Now they could additional charges.

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00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: The cases are sealed, but that's how prosecutors have announced.

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00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: And no, they would need to have first degree with

615
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: aggravating factors to give the death penalty. But the case,

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Speaker 3: from what we're told, it's far from over in Arizona,

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Speaker 3: So those additional charges could come and we'll see if Lorie.

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Speaker 1: Fights lightning around. Isn't it true, Nate Ayton that she

619
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Speaker 1: called mom. Laurie Valo lured Charles Valo to that location

620
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Speaker 1: and Charles Valo was gunned down dead in front of

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Speaker 1: the children.

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Speaker 3: He was picking up JJ yeah, to the house and

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Speaker 3: he was shot to death. And that's when Laurie then

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Speaker 3: took JJ to school and stopped at Burger King.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we wait as justice unfolds for not only

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Speaker 1: cult mom Lorie Valo, but husband number five is they

627
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Speaker 1: call Prophet Chad Dabell as well. May justice be served,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye to