Speaker 1: I'm here, baby, hell I Suck at Dating with Dean,
Speaker 1: Vanessa and Jared and I heard radio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: so much for joining all of us on another episode
Speaker 1: of help by Suck at Dating. I'm Dean Anglert, joined
Speaker 1: in studio by Easton Erica and one other lovely human
Speaker 1: being who is not here last week because he was
Speaker 1: busy doing other things in a different country on a
Speaker 1: television show we're all very familiar with, Jared Haybond. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me back. I missed you, guys. It
Speaker 1: was a long week without you. Welcome back, buddy, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Good to be back. Not that we have any interesting
Speaker 1: news to cover on your end, I know your life's
Speaker 1: pretty much the same as it was before you left, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly the same. Nothing has changed. Okay, Well for the listeners,
Speaker 1: Oh wait, there was one little thing. I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: I completely forgot. I got gay amazing all right. Well,
Speaker 1: so obviously we're gonna spend a little bit of time
Speaker 1: talking about that. If you don't lines, I don't mind
Speaker 1: at all. We can talk anything and everything. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for the listeners that's maybe aren't quite as aware.
Speaker 1: Jared and Ashley made a trip down to Mexico to
Speaker 1: cameo on Paradise. Yeah, so we went to a Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise last week and we were doing a cameo
Speaker 1: and Ashley's I was convincing Ashley that we were just
Speaker 1: there for a cameo, but we ended up getting engaged.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty much and that's all I can talk about.
Speaker 1: Have a good day, thank you very much, Okay, And
Speaker 1: we're gonna need a step by step for all of this.
Speaker 1: And and as I tweeted out, I'm a little upset
Speaker 1: with you because before you left for Mexico, I was like, Jared, like,
Speaker 1: this is how I see it playing out of my head.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring you down at the date card. They're
Speaker 1: gonna send you on a day to your own, which
Speaker 1: sounds like it didn't necessarily happen. But then you're gonna
Speaker 1: ask Ashley to marry you in Paradise. You're like, dude, no,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. I would tell you if it
Speaker 1: would happen. And I understand you have to keep it
Speaker 1: under wraps and keep it a secret all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, but tell us kind of how this whole
Speaker 1: thing unfolded, and obviously you know Spare that he saies
Speaker 1: that you can. I understand you might not be able
Speaker 1: to share everything, but so pretty much. Also, I didn't
Speaker 1: tell you, Dean because I didn't want a lot of
Speaker 1: people with the Bachelor family to know, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to make this as much of a surprise for Actley
Speaker 1: as possible. So I don't want you to take offense.
Speaker 1: I love you so much and I would have loved
Speaker 1: to talk about it, But we talked about engagements two
Speaker 1: weeks ago on the podcast, and I felt super uncomfortable
Speaker 1: because you were like, when's a good time to promose, Jared,
Speaker 1: when are you going to propose? In the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, I knew I was proposing that week, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, I will see it
Speaker 1: down the line. And then I don't know if you
Speaker 1: caught onto it, but you were like, how long should
Speaker 1: someone date before you get engaged? And I was like months,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And what's funny is you were you
Speaker 1: were answering those questions so like ambiguously that I was like,
Speaker 1: something's up here, like something's about to happen, but I like,
Speaker 1: I can press you on it. I guess because I
Speaker 1: didn't really know well enough. But you called it because
Speaker 1: after the podcast ended, you were like, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: engaged on you, and I was like, Dean, so soon,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get engaged this quickly. And then
Speaker 1: because I would be crazy to get engaged that quickly.
Speaker 1: You have to be out of your mind to get
Speaker 1: engaged that quick Oh wait, oh oh, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting down on one day. Okay, so continue, continue,
Speaker 1: so pretty much listen. As soon as Ashley and I
Speaker 1: started dating, we knew that this wasn't just a boyfriend
Speaker 1: girlfriend thing, that this was a very long term and
Speaker 1: happy relationship because it's just so easy between the two
Speaker 1: of us. Ashlo says that she's had a boyfriend for
Speaker 1: two and a half years that just didn't touch her,
Speaker 1: and that was me. And so the thing is we've
Speaker 1: been so close we know everything about each other that
Speaker 1: for me, it's really not that quickly because it just
Speaker 1: it feels more right. That's improper English, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: this feels better than not being engaged to that makes
Speaker 1: any sense, Like it just makes sense to be engaged.
Speaker 1: Actually it doesn't. It doesn't make sense. To not be
Speaker 1: with her. So but so it appeals both to the
Speaker 1: logic side of things and the emotional side of things.
Speaker 1: Like I was, while I was nervous about getting engaged Ashley,
Speaker 1: I was just more anxious because I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to do this, and then that's really what happened.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance in any universe where
Speaker 1: she said no to the engagement? Um? No, just for
Speaker 1: the fact. I mean, when we were at stage coach,
Speaker 1: she was even telling me, She's like, if you asked
Speaker 1: me tomorrow's yes. I mean, she was dropping hints the
Speaker 1: entire way once. I think she had an inkling when
Speaker 1: we're going out to Paradise that this could potentially happen,
Speaker 1: and so she wanted to reassure me that if you
Speaker 1: do this, I'm gonna say yes, And so she was
Speaker 1: just dropping hints. She even said a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago that, um, I'm not allowed to live with her
Speaker 1: until we're engaged, okay, And I said, well, hypothetically speaking,
Speaker 1: actually saying six months we're not engaged and we want
Speaker 1: to move in together. She's like, well, pressures on you.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, she's obviously dropping this hint to
Speaker 1: be like, if you ask, I'm going to say yes,
Speaker 1: so you better ask. I will say I love. I
Speaker 1: love the whole story, um, mostly as it pertains to Ashley,
Speaker 1: because she's been in the and I know we have
Speaker 1: discussed this a little bit behind the scenes. Um, she's
Speaker 1: been in bachelation for so long, having gone on Chris
Speaker 1: Soul season and the Paradise one paradise to her season,
Speaker 1: what Paradise two and three? I guess with you, um,
Speaker 1: and not necessarily getting the story that you wanted going
Speaker 1: on Winter Games, um. And how her life has been
Speaker 1: so bachelor centric for basically three years now, and how
Speaker 1: you know she's built such a name for herself within
Speaker 1: this I guess world, And now for it to come
Speaker 1: full circle to have you and her get engaged at
Speaker 1: the place where you first met each other, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's like the happiest thing I could have possibly imagined. Four. Actually,
Speaker 1: when she gets a Neil Lane ring, she gets, you know,
Speaker 1: the engagement on the beach. She I would assume a
Speaker 1: televised wedding if you guys decided to go to that route.
Speaker 1: We haven't even thought about that, being honest, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very fresh I guess it's a weekend. Um, how
Speaker 1: did you handle the whole conversation with maybe your parents,
Speaker 1: with asking her father all that kind of stuff before
Speaker 1: Once there was an idea thrown out there with conversations
Speaker 1: about potentially getting engaged in paradise. One of the first,
Speaker 1: you know, I called my parents first and said, listen,
Speaker 1: this is kind of what's happening. I know it's soon.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on it. And actually
Speaker 1: one of the so I talked to my parents about it,
Speaker 1: and obviously they said, it's your decision. We love you,
Speaker 1: we'll back you up anyway anything you want to do.
Speaker 1: But my mom was like, you also have to remember that,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to get another opportunity to
Speaker 1: like this ever again in your life. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, in ten years, do you see yourself being
Speaker 1: with Ashley? And I said of course, And she's like,
Speaker 1: then why would you not do this? You know? And
Speaker 1: then actually I talked to Tanner about it. Tanner my
Speaker 1: little very godfather, um, and because he's had experience getting
Speaker 1: engaged in paradise, and he said, listen to the proposals
Speaker 1: for the girl, you know, and you have an opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he's like, listen, you're a very romantic guy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you don't do it on paradise, if
Speaker 1: you do it, you know, four or five months later
Speaker 1: you'll come up with something very nice and very moment romantic,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be such a wonderful moment for both you. However,
Speaker 1: you also have a chance to get engaged at the
Speaker 1: place where you first met Ashley, like put the show aside.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the beach you first saw Ashley,
Speaker 1: where you guys met three years ago, and you have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to give her the ending that she's always wanted,
Speaker 1: and you're nervous because it might be too soon, even
Speaker 1: though you plan on spending the rest of your life
Speaker 1: with this girl. It's like, that's just something you have
Speaker 1: to factor it. And so after talking to my friends
Speaker 1: about it for like an hour, I was like, I
Speaker 1: one of my one of my thinking why am I
Speaker 1: even hesitating? This is this is what I not only
Speaker 1: what I want to do, but what I want to
Speaker 1: do for Ashley. So and it was pretty romantic and cute.
Speaker 1: The way that whenever you guys talked about your relationship
Speaker 1: on or off the air in front of her behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. It's like you were always talking about how
Speaker 1: this is your forever person, how you know, you guys
Speaker 1: plan on having kids once you guys get to that bridge,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and so it's just like
Speaker 1: it was always a foregone conclusion that the engagement was
Speaker 1: going to happen. And so I fully understand where you're
Speaker 1: coming from. Where it's like, and I think it even
Speaker 1: goes back to your first Instagram capturing you guys announced
Speaker 1: the relationship, where it's like the second you want your
Speaker 1: life to be with someone else, you want your life
Speaker 1: to begin as soon as possible. Well that's a quote
Speaker 1: from when Harry Mets Alley. So that movie is very
Speaker 1: near and dear in my heart. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're familiar with it. Are you familiar with The Dean? Okay?
Speaker 1: So anyway, long story short, Billy, Crystal mcgrhand and the Stars.
Speaker 1: They are friends for twelve years um before they finally
Speaker 1: realize that they are meant to be together. And so
Speaker 1: the end seen when Billy Crystal realizes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the love of my life is rained from my eyes
Speaker 1: and she's my best friend and I need to do
Speaker 1: everything I can to make sure that I end up
Speaker 1: with her. He goes to a New Year's Eve party
Speaker 1: where she's lonely and sad, and he comes up and
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I've been doing a lot of thinking,
Speaker 1: and the thing is I love you. And then he
Speaker 1: goes up and he's like, He's like, when you realize
Speaker 1: who you want to spend the rest of your life with,
Speaker 1: you want the rest of your life to start as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. And that line was something that I
Speaker 1: really wanted. I say, I wanted to go to St.
Speaker 1: Lucian and be like, Actually, when you're realize you want
Speaker 1: to spend the rest of your life with, you want
Speaker 1: the rest of your life to start as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: And so that movie has been, uh, you know, just
Speaker 1: very influential and important in my life, specifically over the
Speaker 1: past you know, six months, because it's just really been
Speaker 1: you be close to my heart. You guys do a
Speaker 1: great job of incorporating your favorite movies into your relationship.
Speaker 1: I think both actually and myself. One of the first
Speaker 1: things we bonded over was the fact that I quoted
Speaker 1: Jerry McGuire and she's like, you quote Jerry McCully looked
Speaker 1: at dead in the eyes and he said, show me
Speaker 1: the money. The money I did. Uh, I forget what line.
Speaker 1: I did that one her over but it was just
Speaker 1: an obscure line and and she was like, Holy Christ,
Speaker 1: like I'm in trouble and uh. And so we quoted it,
Speaker 1: and then we started quoting rain Man. And I love
Speaker 1: romantic comedies, so does Ashley. And so I've always idolized
Speaker 1: the guys in the romantic comedy that can like fight
Speaker 1: for the girl that they want, and like, yes, they
Speaker 1: have made mistakes and they've done some dumb things, but
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the movie, they're kind
Speaker 1: of like, I need to go for it, you know,
Speaker 1: jump all in, fight for the woman I love and
Speaker 1: so um. So that's why, you know, let's talk a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, like, yeah, let's talk Neil
Speaker 1: Lane for a second. Let's talk Neil And so Ashley's
Speaker 1: might be strutting around, might not be strutting around with
Speaker 1: a pretty fat rock on her finger right now? Can
Speaker 1: we go through the decision process for the ring that
Speaker 1: you chose? Are you allowed to talk much about the
Speaker 1: ring at all? I can't talk too much about it. Um.
Speaker 1: But what I can say is that as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw it, it was obviously I was in conversations
Speaker 1: about what I wanted, what actually wanted, and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out the best ring for everybody, typically the best
Speaker 1: ring for Ashley, because that's the most important thing. Um.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I saw the ring, I knew
Speaker 1: it was perfect. Um. It was everything I could have
Speaker 1: possibly imagined. And I knew she was gonna love it. Um.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's actually being fitted right now. She's allowed
Speaker 1: to wear it because the news is out. It was well,
Speaker 1: I'll go to the story in a second, but um,
Speaker 1: so she's gonna we're going back on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: We're visiting my family and right is and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna go down to Virginia to visit her family. So
Speaker 1: she's gonna be wearing the ring, which is great. We
Speaker 1: don't have to hide anything because the news came out
Speaker 1: so quickly. I mean, I can talk about this. We
Speaker 1: got engaged on Sunday and then Monday morning we woke
Speaker 1: up and was like, oh, that's oh okay, that's me
Speaker 1: on one knee. That is it's out there. I guess
Speaker 1: we don't have to hide anything, which is very you know,
Speaker 1: refreshing and easy, but at the same time very surprising.
Speaker 1: I will say that from the time that you guys left,
Speaker 1: because from my perspective, all that experience was you guys leaving,
Speaker 1: and then within even just a few days of you
Speaker 1: guys leaving, I saw the news being published or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that was really fast. Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we had no idea it was gonna come out that fast.
Speaker 1: So we flew on a Saturday and and you know,
Speaker 1: Sunday everything went down and then Monday morning bought a
Speaker 1: bing bat a boom. I don't know, like, holy moly, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess we I guess we can talk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't think you wouldn't not
Speaker 1: be allowed to share this aspect of the post engagement thing.
Speaker 1: But can you share the FaceTime that you had or
Speaker 1: the video that was sent to you specifically but you
Speaker 1: and Ashley as well from one of your favorite I
Speaker 1: can't talk about that, you know, you are What Dean
Speaker 1: is alluding to is something that you're going to just
Speaker 1: have to watch on Bachelor in Paradise. They're gonna air
Speaker 1: it though, oh yes, and if they don't air it.
Speaker 1: Then I will be more than happy to talk at
Speaker 1: length about it. Well, I think we'll all forgot about
Speaker 1: about it by then. He's a funny guy, that is
Speaker 1: a gentleman. Engaged. I never thought i'd see the day.
Speaker 1: I know. It's so crazy. It's weird when people are like,
Speaker 1: congratulations on your engagement. It's like, oh my god, that's right,
Speaker 1: I'm engaged because I still sometimes even not in a
Speaker 1: bad way, but it's just so crazy, right, you wait
Speaker 1: your entire life to be engaged and then it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's here. That was the craziest part about proposing,
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is holy moldy, this is the
Speaker 1: most the moment that you've all been that you've waited
Speaker 1: your entire life for the be all end all. This
Speaker 1: is the only time you're ever gonna do it, so
Speaker 1: you know, no pressure. Um, but but it's cool, like
Speaker 1: sometimes uh actually be like oh I love my boyfriend
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I'm not your boyfriend fiance. It's
Speaker 1: just weird even saying But the good thing is we're
Speaker 1: taking it slow. We're not sure when we're gonna get married.
Speaker 1: We say within a year, uh no later The next summer.
Speaker 1: That's because we want we don't want a very long engagement.
Speaker 1: We want just kind of, like, um, long enough, you know,
Speaker 1: we want to be engaged. We want to enjoy being fiance's,
Speaker 1: but we don't want a two or three year engagement.
Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe exactly one year when you're back in Mexico
Speaker 1: in June of two thousand nineteen. We'll see first, folks.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see, we'll see what happens, We'll see
Speaker 1: what the future has a store. But right now, we're
Speaker 1: just really happy. We're kind of soaking in the fact
Speaker 1: that we're fiance's enjoying the momentum. What a wee can happen?
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's it's so it's so fresh. It
Speaker 1: also just feels like it's so crazy to think that
Speaker 1: I've only actually dated Actuley for you know, four months
Speaker 1: or so right about now, because it feels like I've
Speaker 1: been with her for forever, if I'm being honest, but
Speaker 1: in a good way, because it's still that lustful, puppy
Speaker 1: love um, playful type relationship. But it also feels like
Speaker 1: I've you know, been with Ashley for my entire life.
Speaker 1: I know you have mentioned something about the East Coast
Speaker 1: and her wearing her ring out out east. Are you
Speaker 1: have you guys seeing each other's parents in person post engagement? No,
Speaker 1: just FaceTime. So we've as soon as it was funny
Speaker 1: because we thought we were gonna have, like we talked
Speaker 1: about at least a couple of weeks before we before
Speaker 1: the news came out. Uh. And so we went back
Speaker 1: to the hotel and we FaceTime my parents, her parents, um,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of our close family and friends,
Speaker 1: but dany um. But it was just honestly, four or
Speaker 1: five facetimes. We're like, all right, we just gotta FaceTime
Speaker 1: these people talk about it and then we can go
Speaker 1: to bed because we were just exhausted after the day
Speaker 1: and then thinking we had a couple of weeks before
Speaker 1: you know, everybody knew, so we had plenty of time
Speaker 1: to call everybody, face time everybody. And then Monday morning happened,
Speaker 1: We're like, oh boy, and it was funny because actually
Speaker 1: tweeted out She's like, I haven't even told my grandmother yet. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we had, you know, we had a lot of
Speaker 1: people texting us and being like, what the hell, why
Speaker 1: didn't you tell me? Like, oh, we well, it was
Speaker 1: a surprise for Ashley. I didn't want it to get out,
Speaker 1: and now we didn't think it was gonna be out
Speaker 1: so soon. So next steps for you? Guys? You mentioned
Speaker 1: you wouldn't live together until you were engaged. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: is that on the horizon. Have guys talked about that
Speaker 1: at all? We've talked about that. So Ashley just got
Speaker 1: a brand new place um with her sister Lauren, and
Speaker 1: so I think we're probably gonna wait till u fall.
Speaker 1: Probably sometime in the fall, I'll move in. Okay, so
Speaker 1: a couple more months. Um, But her face, because her
Speaker 1: apartment is still so fresh, it's she's not even done
Speaker 1: moving in herself. So I don't want it to I
Speaker 1: don't want to bombard her at all. So we'll wait.
Speaker 1: We'll wait a couple more months, and I'll probably move
Speaker 1: in there and I'll be the next step in our relationship.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna vent to say that Ashley began
Speaker 1: shopping for her wedding dress the second she got back
Speaker 1: from Mexico after meeting you the first time. But do
Speaker 1: you think that she has begun her wedding dress shopping.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that she's had people reach
Speaker 1: out and she's definitely had conversations. Okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: she's looked at any particular dresses. The thing is, Ashley
Speaker 1: has watched Say Yes to the Dress for years. I
Speaker 1: watched Say Yes to the Dress now because I'm dating her,
Speaker 1: I'm engaged to her and so um, so she's definitely
Speaker 1: had people reach out and talked to her, and she
Speaker 1: has an idea of what kind of dress you wants.
Speaker 1: So it's very exciting and still very new. Um. But
Speaker 1: the cool thing is it's it's while it's very exciting
Speaker 1: and they're all these outside factors about planning a wedding
Speaker 1: and what's going to happen, dress and where and blatta
Speaker 1: bladah blah, it's just built on such a strong foundation
Speaker 1: between Ashley and myself, um that it's very very exciting.
Speaker 1: Mark my words. I'm gonna put a hundred dollars down
Speaker 1: on this that Jared at his wedding, while standing on
Speaker 1: the alter altar will be wearing a Superman T shirt
Speaker 1: under as tuxedo. Uh, I'm gonna rip that thing open
Speaker 1: when she's walking down the aisle. It's gonna fantastic. And
Speaker 1: then her dad is quickly, just gonna turn her around
Speaker 1: and walk her down the other way, and I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: bite Ashley, no, um unless she cry. There were there
Speaker 1: were tears. So she cried. She cried a lot. She
Speaker 1: was she cried a lot. Um. It was just a
Speaker 1: very emotional moment that all of you guys will be
Speaker 1: able to witness, which is weird just say, um. But
Speaker 1: it was just a really it was a special moment
Speaker 1: that I wanted. Yeah, I can't really talk too much
Speaker 1: about it, but um, there were a lot of tears.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy to think that I was able to
Speaker 1: propose to the love of my life on the beach
Speaker 1: where we first met. Like, that's the crazy part to
Speaker 1: me is when we were when we were on the beach,
Speaker 1: I just kept thinking, Wow, three years ago, three years ago,
Speaker 1: we met at this exact bar. I'm seeing you walking
Speaker 1: down the stairs with your sister Lauren, because I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember, that was the season that her
Speaker 1: and her sister came in together. And to think three
Speaker 1: years later, I'd be getting down on one knee on
Speaker 1: this beach with Ashley. Uh, It's pretty cool. Pretty cool,
Speaker 1: all right, Jed, One more question for you, right after
Speaker 1: you guys announced your relationship, you're you, and actually I
Speaker 1: asked you a question that you dodged a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you again and hopefully you can give
Speaker 1: us a little bit more of a clear answer. How
Speaker 1: is the sex damned? Um? I don't want to dodge
Speaker 1: it because I don't want to sound like God. This
Speaker 1: is hard to answer. No, I mean it's I'm not
Speaker 1: going to answer specifically, but you can. It's God, how
Speaker 1: do I answer this? I know, Easton, you're just just waiting,
Speaker 1: all right, because I don't want to dodge it, because
Speaker 1: I don't want people be like, oh, we did say anything,
Speaker 1: it's probably bad because it's not. It's it's the physical
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let me let me I'll answer
Speaker 1: it this way. I'll answer it this way. Here we go.
Speaker 1: When we first crossed over from friendship to boyfriend girlfriend,
Speaker 1: the only thing that changed was the physical part of
Speaker 1: our relationship. Everything else has stayed the same. We're best friends,
Speaker 1: we love hanging out with each other. It was the
Speaker 1: only difference, and our relationship has only gotten incredibly better
Speaker 1: since that moment. Because so I think that answers the question.
Speaker 1: It does, But because now you can be best friends
Speaker 1: while also being naked in the same bedest as each other.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that ad that that amplifies a friendship
Speaker 1: when you're not just a friendship Dean, But that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, you're able to take it to
Speaker 1: the next level, but like, you know, you can now
Speaker 1: be romantic and intimate with each other. And I will
Speaker 1: say it was never awkward. That was the thing that was, um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say surprising, but so relieving. Was
Speaker 1: you know, there's always that little nerves were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now you know we've been best friends for two and
Speaker 1: a half years now, and now we're gonna start making
Speaker 1: out and holding hands all the time. And it was
Speaker 1: just uh, like I said early and ship has only
Speaker 1: gotten better, And that part was is really good. It's
Speaker 1: really good, Like it's great. I love kissing her. I
Speaker 1: smother her. It's so funny because her dad will see
Speaker 1: us on FaceTime and she'll like, be smothering me a
Speaker 1: little bit, and he's like, actually stop smothering him, like
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and she's like, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: He smothers me, which I do. I love, I love too.
Speaker 1: I love smothering her. I feel like you guys both
Speaker 1: have the personality where a lot of people will think, like,
Speaker 1: maybe from an outside perspective, like, oh, they're all over
Speaker 1: each other all the time, like it's gonna fizzle out.
Speaker 1: But I feel like both of you are this type
Speaker 1: of person that neither of you're ever really to get
Speaker 1: sick of each other. From what I've been able to
Speaker 1: gather from early, you have it now is so I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a little stories. So we obviously we went
Speaker 1: to Mexico on Saturday. We spent pretty much every minute
Speaker 1: with each other that entire time. Left Wednesday, um, I
Speaker 1: stayed at place Wednesday night, and then Thursday, I think
Speaker 1: was when we parted ways for the first time, and
Speaker 1: she dropped me off because my car was still downtown
Speaker 1: and on the way there, I started getting a little
Speaker 1: separation excited. I was like, man, I don't want to
Speaker 1: leave Ashley, but we spent a week straight together. It's
Speaker 1: healthy if we spend a little time a part. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything because I was gonna I
Speaker 1: felt like a lunatic being like I don't want to
Speaker 1: leave you. It's been a week straight. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to leave you. And then she out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: it was like, I feel like I'm getting separation excited.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to leave. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, I feel the same way. And so we
Speaker 1: it's it's so pathetic, but it's kind of funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we cried. You cried because because it was
Speaker 1: just weird the first time we were engaged. We love
Speaker 1: seeing each other. And I think she said the cutest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard of my entire life. She was
Speaker 1: she was crying, and we were both laughing at ourselves
Speaker 1: because we were crying. And then she's like, I just
Speaker 1: look at it, like every day that I'm not with
Speaker 1: you is one less day that I get to spend
Speaker 1: with you. And I was like, Ashley, my heart just melted. Um.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's we don't get sick of each other,
Speaker 1: we having gout stick each other. At some point, I
Speaker 1: get a little nervous because I know that it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna come eventually, Right, There's gonna come a time where
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, I need I need to date with Naturally,
Speaker 1: that's just marriage, that's relationships. That's what happen and so
Speaker 1: I just don't know when that day is gonna come.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty cool. We never get tired of each other.
Speaker 1: The cool thing is, yes, where fiance's we're in love,
Speaker 1: everything is great, but we're also just best friends and
Speaker 1: we love hanging out with each other. And that's the
Speaker 1: best part of the relationship. That's important. It's so important.
Speaker 1: I think any successful long term relationship, marriage, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll tell you that the basis and the foundation
Speaker 1: for all that is a solid friendship and being able
Speaker 1: to be around each other. I completely agree. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody always says you want to marry the best friend,
Speaker 1: and now I'm experiencing that firsthand, and I can't tell I.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you enough how wonderful it is. Um So, Dean,
Speaker 1: I know what's gonna happen for you. I hate talking
Speaker 1: about this all the time because I just I do
Speaker 1: feel like a jerk sometimes because people remnant of my face.
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm rubbing in face. But I also
Speaker 1: don't want to downplay it because I want people to
Speaker 1: know how happy I really am. Um. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to balance that line where I'm not trying to show
Speaker 1: anything off. At the same time, I don't want people
Speaker 1: to say, oh, he doesn't sound that excited, because I've
Speaker 1: never been happier. It was funny now as one of
Speaker 1: our friends, you know, nas and she was like, She's like, Jared,
Speaker 1: you're getting better looking, you're glowing, You're pregnant, You're pregnant
Speaker 1: with love right now. I was like, I am. I'm
Speaker 1: just I've never been happier and and I couldn't be
Speaker 1: more grateful for it. And and Dean, I know it's
Speaker 1: coming for you. Dean is such a good catch. I
Speaker 1: just want, I need, I need you. I need I
Speaker 1: need Dean to be the bachelor. I need Dean to
Speaker 1: be the bachelor. That's what needs to happen. You said,
Speaker 1: you said it's important to marry your best friend. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to think, like, would Mike be down to
Speaker 1: get married to me at some point? With Jackson be married,
Speaker 1: down to get married. I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: any of my friends would be willing and open to
Speaker 1: that type of relationship, you know, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: the important question is are you open to Because I'm
Speaker 1: just it's important to marry your best friend, and I'm
Speaker 1: just starting to think like, would my best friends even
Speaker 1: be interested in marrying me? That's interesting. You might have
Speaker 1: to find that out anyways. All right, well, shift gears
Speaker 1: a little bit. I feel bad for grilling you. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's not ask me anything you want. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: circle back as kind of this this whole thing unfolds
Speaker 1: and as you know, we check in with you regularly.
Speaker 1: But all that kind of stuff. But before we get
Speaker 1: into last night's episode of the Bachelor, at there was
Speaker 1: some bad news to mix in with your good news.
Speaker 1: Breaking news. Actually, it feels like breaking news. Derek Paith
Speaker 1: and Taylor Nolan's engagement was broken off. It seems like yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently they put out a statement which reads, it is
Speaker 1: with much sadness that we've decided to end our engagement.
Speaker 1: We put everything we could into our relationship and are
Speaker 1: heartbroken to go forward separately, but we know this is
Speaker 1: the best decision for the both of us. This is
Speaker 1: what executives have said. We will still be present in
Speaker 1: each other's lives with support, admiration and respect for each other. Um.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a very platonic way to just say that,
Speaker 1: you know, we've gone on separate ways. And broke up
Speaker 1: and ended the engagement, which I actually I don't know
Speaker 1: if I sound like a jerk saying this. I forgot
Speaker 1: they were engaged for a second because when they said when,
Speaker 1: when it was announced, when we heard about they broke up,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's sad, and then it hit me, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, they were engaged because I forgot that he
Speaker 1: proposed on not after the final rose. But uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: whatever you're after the after show was paradise after show,
Speaker 1: Paradise after show. So I mean, is then has anybody
Speaker 1: stunned as I? I didn't know Derek and Taylor. I
Speaker 1: only met Derek a couple times. I've never had the
Speaker 1: privilege to meet Taylor, so I don't really know the
Speaker 1: into work into their relationship, how good it was, what
Speaker 1: it was like. So I think I think this breakup
Speaker 1: maybe Beckon's a whole other segment. Maybe next week is
Speaker 1: they got engaged and they've lived long distance for an
Speaker 1: entire year of their engagement. Taylor lives in Seattle, Derek's
Speaker 1: lived in New York for a year. Like, what did
Speaker 1: they expect was going to happen? Yeah? Did they have
Speaker 1: any I mean, you were on Paradise with them. Did
Speaker 1: they have any plans to move in with each other
Speaker 1: or was this just kind of gonna go with the
Speaker 1: flow type than Granted I'm not best friends as either
Speaker 1: of them, it's not like I talked to them often
Speaker 1: to ask them kind of what their plan is. But
Speaker 1: I know that Taylor visited him in New York a
Speaker 1: few times, and maybe he visited her in Seattle. But
Speaker 1: you can't so you have to have some sort of plan.
Speaker 1: And I think that maybe there was some talks about
Speaker 1: her moving to New York and it just never really materialized.
Speaker 1: But it's like, how do you expect an engagement to
Speaker 1: be successful and lead to marriage if you don't ever
Speaker 1: live with each other in the same city, maybe not
Speaker 1: even in the same house, but if you as live
Speaker 1: thirty five miles apart each other, you're setting yourself up
Speaker 1: for failure. And it's been a year, So that's the
Speaker 1: if it If it ended after a couple of months
Speaker 1: and then they said, listen, we got engaged. Maybe we
Speaker 1: rushed into things. We weren't gonna move. I was gonna
Speaker 1: move to New York. I wasn't gonna move to Seattle.
Speaker 1: Just wasn't gonna work out. But now it's been a year,
Speaker 1: So I wonder did they have plans to move with
Speaker 1: each other, Because if you get engaged, I would imagine, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're engaged, we're gonna, you know, either you're moving
Speaker 1: to New York or I'm moving to Seattle within the
Speaker 1: next few months or so at least have a plan.
Speaker 1: But it's been a year. So did they think that
Speaker 1: they were going to do a long distance engagement for
Speaker 1: a year and then hopefully things would get better. I
Speaker 1: do know that Taylor, or I'm sorry, Derek, before moving
Speaker 1: to New York lived in Iowa, so he got he
Speaker 1: was living in Iowa, Taylor was living in Seattle. They
Speaker 1: got engaged, and then Derek moved to New York, which
Speaker 1: frustrates me because I've been in the situation too before,
Speaker 1: where if you're in a relationship with someone and you
Speaker 1: guys live in different cities and then that person is
Speaker 1: moving after you get in a relationship, they decided to move,
Speaker 1: and they decided to move to a different city that's
Speaker 1: not the same city that you're in, and you guys
Speaker 1: don't have an agreement to move in together. It's like, listen, buddy,
Speaker 1: you're moving regardless, Like if you're gonna move to New
Speaker 1: York or gonna move to Seattle, what's the difference. I'm
Speaker 1: in Seattle, come to Seattle unless it was a dream job,
Speaker 1: the only thing, because even for a job, you can
Speaker 1: make arrangements to maybe have some sort of similar job
Speaker 1: in Seattle. But if it's his actual dream job where
Speaker 1: he said he'd been working a very long time to
Speaker 1: get that, then I can understand moved to New York
Speaker 1: and then having to really talk further upon where they
Speaker 1: were going to live. But I don't know, that's tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I thought that they I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: they won't be on Paradise. Usually they bring couples to
Speaker 1: that's and that's the thing too. I thought that they
Speaker 1: were bringing some couples down for this season's Paradise. I know,
Speaker 1: obviously they brought you and actually down as we discussed,
Speaker 1: and I think that they brought other couples. I thought
Speaker 1: that Taylor and Derek were one of those couples. Maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe not, I don't know. I mean, judging by this news,
Speaker 1: they probably saw it coming. So I'd be shocked if
Speaker 1: they end up, you know, doing any type of Cameo
Speaker 1: and Paradise together. That'd be weird. These public breakups are
Speaker 1: always weird too. It's like, did they delivered a joint
Speaker 1: statement and then both both posts on their instagrams? I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure how that worked, and then the news
Speaker 1: around the story. Did they both go to the news
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, we're going to break up?
Speaker 1: I think you know, I mean with the public breakup.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you're in the public I right,
Speaker 1: So you don't owe anybody anything. You don't owe anybody
Speaker 1: in explanation, And having said that, everybody assumes you're in
Speaker 1: a public relationships. So, for example, if Derek and Taylor
Speaker 1: broke up but they never announced anything, would you just
Speaker 1: assume that they'd be even if Derek was just posting
Speaker 1: pictures of himself on Instagram, would you just assume that
Speaker 1: they're still together? Yeah, I mean, if you don't have
Speaker 1: any of the reason to assume otherwise. But then people
Speaker 1: obviously start saying like, oh, you haven't posted with your
Speaker 1: significant other, and example, you guys are definitely broken up.
Speaker 1: So isn't it easier just to get ahead of the
Speaker 1: story and say, hey, listen, it sucks, we don't want
Speaker 1: to announce it, but it's probably just easier this way
Speaker 1: rather than people making rumors assumptions, and then we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to talk about it later down the road anyway,
Speaker 1: So might as well just talk about it right now.
Speaker 1: Get it over with. Put it out there. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: News is going to run it because I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been in this world long enough where rumors swirl people
Speaker 1: you know, um hear stories and ask questions and so
Speaker 1: it's very easy to just put it out there. That
Speaker 1: makes it I don't know, Um, I'm so. I'm in
Speaker 1: a group chat with both of them from Paradise last year, Like,
Speaker 1: we have a big group chat as a pretty much
Speaker 1: all of the original cast members that were there, and
Speaker 1: there were no indicators leading up to this breakup from
Speaker 1: what I saw. Granted, like we obviously don't text each
Speaker 1: other every day, even in that group chat, but there
Speaker 1: was nothing that would make any of us I feel like,
Speaker 1: feel like they were going to break up, which is
Speaker 1: just surprising, I guess. But like you said earlier, like oh,
Speaker 1: they forgot they were engaged. That's the thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you guys were basically in a long distance relationship for
Speaker 1: the entirety of your relationship. You didn't really give it
Speaker 1: a fair chance to begin with. You know, you never
Speaker 1: even let the freaking plane leave the runway. You were
Speaker 1: just sitting in the freaking uh termamob the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: waiting for things to take off. Ye yeah, potentially. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't really know that you're workings a relationship.
Speaker 1: I've only meant Derek a couple of times. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I mean, like I said, does
Speaker 1: it shock anybody? I'm not trying to even be a
Speaker 1: jerk when I say that, but is it? I don't
Speaker 1: even mean just Derek and Taylor. But you know, we've
Speaker 1: seen so many Paul Look relationships and then public breakups
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of us are just becoming
Speaker 1: numb to it. It's like, oh, dark Tail didn't work
Speaker 1: out well. I swear to I swear Jared. If we
Speaker 1: see one of these where you and Ashley, I'm going
Speaker 1: to lose my mind. I'm not boycotting, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Doing whatever it takes to make sure that it's not true,
Speaker 1: I'm very confident it won't happen. Well, I guess, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw well, what about so you try
Speaker 1: you talked about public breakup for a second. You obviously
Speaker 1: had one just a few months ago. You don't have
Speaker 1: to get into the details about it. But what made
Speaker 1: you guys say, Okay, we're gonna announce it. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a great questions. It was tricky to um that
Speaker 1: whole situation was just weird, weird, weird. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable even talking about it, to be honest, but
Speaker 1: I will. I mean, you don't, you don't have to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But just was there anything where you
Speaker 1: guys said, hey, it's better if we just announced it
Speaker 1: rather than let people assume we're not together anymore. No,
Speaker 1: but what was weird was before we even had the
Speaker 1: chance to announce anything. E News ran an article about
Speaker 1: us breaking up, like interesting, before anything was even like
Speaker 1: even happened. Really, they ran in article of us being
Speaker 1: broken up? Did you guys know that the article is
Speaker 1: coming out? So my friend who works at the news
Speaker 1: texted me and said, hey, just so you know, I'm
Speaker 1: running an article about you today And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's the article And she goes, oh, it's you unless
Speaker 1: you're breaking up, And I'm like, well, we aren't broken up.
Speaker 1: Were you guys broken up? No, we weren't. You guys
Speaker 1: are still together when the news reported that you guys
Speaker 1: were broken up? So no, when she texted me that
Speaker 1: it was just a weird situation. So she text me
Speaker 1: that they're going to run an article early in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I was like, um, okay, that's weird because we're
Speaker 1: not broken up, Like what's your source and she's like,
Speaker 1: we can't tell the sources whatever, whatever. And then later
Speaker 1: that day is when Leslie and I broke up. And
Speaker 1: then so when they ran the article itself, like technically
Speaker 1: we were broken up, but when they told me that
Speaker 1: they were they were gonna run the article, we hadn't
Speaker 1: been broken up yet and pretty much so they knew
Speaker 1: it was coming. And so what was weird about that
Speaker 1: situation is then I feel like both of us, Leslie
Speaker 1: and I were backed into our corner and we're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: like they ran an article about us breaking up. Are
Speaker 1: we supposed to now post for ourselves about the breakup
Speaker 1: or did we just go about living our lives on
Speaker 1: Instagram as we normally would and just kind of forget
Speaker 1: about it all together? Yeah, and letting people you know,
Speaker 1: read the article if they want to assume whatever they
Speaker 1: care to what. But you guys, obviously we're we don't
Speaker 1: have to get the into workings. But when you found
Speaker 1: out that the article was coming out, you guys, both
Speaker 1: of you guys knew it was pretty much over because
Speaker 1: there's no I mean, unless you're telling me that there's
Speaker 1: an article ran that you guys broke up and then
Speaker 1: five hours later, you guys. That's that's the incredibly confusing
Speaker 1: thing is it's like, how, how and why did they
Speaker 1: want to run an article about is breaking up when
Speaker 1: there was no inklinger like leading up to that, you know.
Speaker 1: And again, I feel, really we're talking about this because
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why. But I had
Speaker 1: just gotten back from India, um like, Leslie and I
Speaker 1: hadn't been together for what three weeks or so, And
Speaker 1: I guess people were just assuming and maybe the news
Speaker 1: took it that assumption and ran with it, and they're like,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna publish this story. I mean, it's news.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's the freaking Wall Street Journal in
Speaker 1: New York Times or something like that. Still, though I
Speaker 1: don't know if they would publish any type of story
Speaker 1: like that on a on a gut feeling. It was
Speaker 1: just a weird situation too, And I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. And I think with any type
Speaker 1: of public breakup, and then specifically going back to Derek
Speaker 1: and Taylor, there's no right way to do it. Anyway
Speaker 1: you do it, it's going to be weird and uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: You're in a public relationship that people are invested in.
Speaker 1: It's just weird to have to announce. Um, so it
Speaker 1: didn't work out, but we still have friends, and it's
Speaker 1: just an awkward, awkward statement to release, Like a joint statement.
Speaker 1: I think the joint statement is the way to go.
Speaker 1: Like Claire and Ben Wall did a joint statement. Seems
Speaker 1: like Taylor and Derek did a joint statement. It's just
Speaker 1: easier that way, you know, just to put it out
Speaker 1: there together, move on with your lies. Um, I think
Speaker 1: it's easier just to make a public announcement. We did
Speaker 1: not do a joint statement. Would you guys do just Instagram?
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty much a joint statement because you
Speaker 1: guys posted each on your own Instagram, which is somewhat
Speaker 1: of a weird joint statement, I would say, because if
Speaker 1: it would be weird if one of you guys posted
Speaker 1: the other one didn't, that would be the weird thing.
Speaker 1: Let's stop talking about this and you wish them the best. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, even if the relationships don't work out, obviously,
Speaker 1: you still want the individual to be happy. So hopefully
Speaker 1: it's for the best. Hopefully they really are both in
Speaker 1: good places. It's hard to break off in jugement. I've
Speaker 1: never done it, but I can't. It's hard enough to
Speaker 1: break up with a girlfriend. I can't imagine breaking up
Speaker 1: with a fiancee. I know. Well, at least you know
Speaker 1: they didn't cross the threshold and so they don't have
Speaker 1: to break up as husband and wife. That would have
Speaker 1: been far worse. So well, see, hopefully the best for him.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about last night's batchelortt real quick, what do
Speaker 1: you thought about Jordan versus David? Yeah, so last night
Speaker 1: we had the show down the infamous two on one
Speaker 1: that we have every single season, Jordan versus David, and
Speaker 1: it ended pretty much exactly how I had wanted it
Speaker 1: to end. I hate, well, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the word hate, but I've strongly disliked both of those
Speaker 1: characters on the show mostly and at the end of
Speaker 1: at the end of this, and I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people will be able to agree with me
Speaker 1: on this is At first you're like a little annoyed
Speaker 1: the Jordan for always kind of stirring everything up. But
Speaker 1: then by the end of it, you're like, David is
Speaker 1: just as bad, if not worse than Jordans through through
Speaker 1: all of this, I think we both thought David was
Speaker 1: worse the worser part of this. Yeah, David was the lesser.
Speaker 1: And it's it's funny too because it's the same thing
Speaker 1: that happened on my season. There was a villain, and
Speaker 1: there was a guy that he kind of villainized a
Speaker 1: little more than the rest. It was Blake and waboom,
Speaker 1: And by the end of it, you're like, well, Blake
Speaker 1: is just more frustrating now than the villain is, because
Speaker 1: he's the one that's like making his entire universe about
Speaker 1: that other guy when he should be making it about
Speaker 1: the girl. That's kind of what David is like. Whenever
Speaker 1: David talked to Becca, he was talking about Jordan or
Speaker 1: not about their relationship. Yeah, even yesterday, the twun of
Speaker 1: them one, David pulled back at aside, and he's like, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's really great being here, but in the spirit of
Speaker 1: being honest, Jordan's sucks. And it's like, why would you
Speaker 1: even dive into that conversation talk about yourself? You talked
Speaker 1: about Jordan. The entire experience so far, it's always the
Speaker 1: guys that go on this show that talk about other
Speaker 1: guys that are the ones that self destructive. And if
Speaker 1: you apply that to real life dating, think about going
Speaker 1: on a date with someone in the real in the
Speaker 1: real world. I'll say that term lightly because obviously Batcheld
Speaker 1: is the real world. It's just a little bit more
Speaker 1: of an amplified version of it. But like, you don't
Speaker 1: go on a date with someone first date, third date,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and just start trashing. I guess how
Speaker 1: would how would it apply? Though? Maybe like you'd go
Speaker 1: on a date with a girl that used to have
Speaker 1: a thing with one of your buddies and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: still has like an ongo thing with someone or something
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe, And but it's also not like a friend.
Speaker 1: It's just like a guy that you know, and so
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, what's going on. I'm really happy to
Speaker 1: go on this date. By the way, the guy that
Speaker 1: you know you were dating that you still kind of
Speaker 1: talk to. He sucks and he's dishonest and he's lying
Speaker 1: to and he's not here for the right reasons, and
Speaker 1: she's like, we're at a dive bar, what do you
Speaker 1: mean the right reasons? The reasons already get drunk and
Speaker 1: say if we like each other, that's about as simple ass.
Speaker 1: That's the right reasons right there. And so I think David,
Speaker 1: I hate saying it because he seems like a nice guy,
Speaker 1: but man, he was just so annoying with the Jordan
Speaker 1: thing because he could not help himself. And that was
Speaker 1: the frustrating part, was that there comes a time where
Speaker 1: you gotta let things go. And I think Jordan was
Speaker 1: very much ready to let it go. He wasn't talking
Speaker 1: too much before the two on one. He wasn't talking
Speaker 1: about David unless it was like his I T M
Speaker 1: s and he was trying to be funny. And then
Speaker 1: but David just every time, even before the two on one,
Speaker 1: we was like, oh, you could bring you cold and unparents, like,
Speaker 1: you know, do I need to know about any underwear?
Speaker 1: It's like, David, let it go. And I think I
Speaker 1: think Colton said it perfect. Actually perfectly when excuse me. Um.
Speaker 1: After the two on when david suitcase was taken away,
Speaker 1: He's like, he went in with the wrong attitude, and
Speaker 1: he's completely accurate. I think David just saw Jordan as
Speaker 1: the bad guy, and David was like, okay, but if
Speaker 1: I'm against the bad guy, that makes me guy. And
Speaker 1: I think that was his um path, his direction, Like
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense, well, so then let's apply
Speaker 1: this maybe to a similar but different situation. If your
Speaker 1: friend is dating someone that you don't like, do you
Speaker 1: tell your friend that his girlfriend is no good? Um? Like,
Speaker 1: where's that boundary? Where's that boundary? Set? I think you
Speaker 1: should put out feelers, but I feel like it always
Speaker 1: ends badly when you talk to a friend and you're like, listen,
Speaker 1: they your boyfriend sucks. Um. Like somebody in my life
Speaker 1: that I know likes to date a project, somebody that
Speaker 1: she feels like she can fix, so to speak. Um.
Speaker 1: And if I were to tell her that, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I think your boyfriend sucks and he's a bad person,
Speaker 1: she'd be like no, no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: he's just misunderstood. You don't get him. He loves me
Speaker 1: for who I am. He's so good to me, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's fine, but he's probably cheating on
Speaker 1: you as well. And so I think there's a line
Speaker 1: where you have to um sensitively approach the subject, especially
Speaker 1: if you don't have concrete evidence of anything. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have no concrete everence. It's just a vibe you don't
Speaker 1: like them, And so you go up to him. Because
Speaker 1: the problem is if you tell your friend that you
Speaker 1: don't like their significant other, that could create this ten
Speaker 1: tension and she might choose the significant other because she
Speaker 1: could easily or he or she could easily be like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't get it, you don't understand, you're not in
Speaker 1: our relationship. Um and so, and I think there's a
Speaker 1: little like rebellion factor to it. Yeah, I agree with that,
Speaker 1: I will say that. So the only situation that comes
Speaker 1: to mind for me in this sense is back when
Speaker 1: I was living in Colorado in Denver, Um, one of
Speaker 1: my best friends was dating this girl who we used
Speaker 1: to work with, and she was just kind of a
Speaker 1: little cuckoo at times, and he was like kind of
Speaker 1: blinded by it. She was this beautiful girl and he
Speaker 1: like saw that only and only that, and from his
Speaker 1: friends perspective, I was like, listen, Bud, I love you
Speaker 1: and I'll always support the decisions that you make, but like,
Speaker 1: I just wish you could see the sides of crazy
Speaker 1: to her that everyone else sees that maybe you're not
Speaker 1: seeing quite as much. And like he's like, no, it's fine,
Speaker 1: Like she's good, she's great, she treats me well, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and their relationship is very tumultuous and and
Speaker 1: kind of like a roller coaster. And by the end
Speaker 1: of it, and once they officially broken up like once
Speaker 1: and for all, they you know, they broke up and
Speaker 1: got picked together multiple times. But by the end of it,
Speaker 1: he was like, I should have like listened to you.
Speaker 1: I should have listen to the rest of my friends
Speaker 1: saying like how crazy she is and how we weren't
Speaker 1: good together all this kind of stuff. But and while
Speaker 1: you're in the moment, I think it's like it's easy
Speaker 1: to get lost and caught up in the relationship and
Speaker 1: then kind of like discount everything that your friends are
Speaker 1: saying about it. I completely agree. You just have blinders
Speaker 1: under the relationship and you romanticize everything, and so I
Speaker 1: think you should obviously tell our friend listen. If you
Speaker 1: think that they're doing something really shady, you should approach it.
Speaker 1: But you have to approach it in a sensitive way
Speaker 1: because if you go to him and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: your boyfriend sucks, then they're gonna be like, well, screw you,
Speaker 1: while you're not a very good friend to me, like
Speaker 1: you just don't understand, you don't get it, and so,
Speaker 1: and I think also there's a factor. The more you
Speaker 1: tell someone you shouldn't be with them, the more they
Speaker 1: want to be with them, you think, I think so,
Speaker 1: just like the anti authoritarian and everyone think about like
Speaker 1: specifically maybe a parent, Yeah, like a mom disapproving of
Speaker 1: a boyfriend. I think there might be times where the
Speaker 1: girlfriends like I want to rebel. Oh absolutely, But isn't
Speaker 1: the parents Are the parent always right in that situation.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that every girlfriend my parents have
Speaker 1: hated over the years, they were a thousand percent right. No,
Speaker 1: they are right. But here's the thing with that is
Speaker 1: I feel like it's as a child you have to
Speaker 1: be you kind of are more like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: let me figure this out for myself, Like you think
Speaker 1: you know what's best for me, but let me prove
Speaker 1: to myself that you're that I'm going to figure it
Speaker 1: out on my own kind of thing, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think back. I don't think any of
Speaker 1: my siblings or parents ever like disagreed with the person
Speaker 1: I was dating, but they were I was definitely the
Speaker 1: person that my girlfriend's parents didn't like her dating, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And she was very much the
Speaker 1: contarian and wanted to rebel against her parents. And you
Speaker 1: seem like a parent's dream. What is it about you
Speaker 1: that parents don't like? Well, the only thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind is Carmel, who we've had on this podcast before.
Speaker 1: It was high school. I was like constantly sneaking out
Speaker 1: of my house. I was constantly you know, getting in
Speaker 1: trouble with like the the school and like the police
Speaker 1: have just like I don't know, but like you know,
Speaker 1: like like high school students do. Like they they go
Speaker 1: underage drinking, they go to bonfires, can fires, all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I think my girlfriend's parents saw
Speaker 1: this and like saw me like sneaking into their house
Speaker 1: at night on a on a Tuesday, just being like
Speaker 1: this guy is not good for my daughter right now,
Speaker 1: Like get him out of here. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with you that parents typically do know best,
Speaker 1: but there is still it's like a funness factor to
Speaker 1: the relationship. I wonder if Karmel knows that her parents
Speaker 1: were right. Well, that's the thing with now. I don't
Speaker 1: think that she has the closest relationship with their parents anymore.
Speaker 1: But I will say, like Carmen and I are still friends,
Speaker 1: were still in good terms. I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't use the term friends because we don't talk ever.
Speaker 1: But um, it was it was just it was just
Speaker 1: a funny situation. We get a lot of emails on
Speaker 1: this exact subject. I can't stand my friend's boyfriend. Should
Speaker 1: I say something? What do you do in the situation?
Speaker 1: You're saying it's a bad idea to get involved. I
Speaker 1: don't take it's a bad idea. I just think you
Speaker 1: have to approach it in a sensitive way because I
Speaker 1: think also, if you start telling somebody all the bad
Speaker 1: things that that like their boyfriend and girlfriend have, they're
Speaker 1: gonna start focusing on all the good things because for
Speaker 1: every bad thing you say, they're gonna say, well, yes,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, they treat me so well
Speaker 1: and they're so loyal and so honest, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they do this, but then the person but they
Speaker 1: do that, and then that kind of goes on. But
Speaker 1: if you're like, no, he's great, he's wonderful, then maybe
Speaker 1: they start might they might actually open their eyes a
Speaker 1: little bit and start focusing on some of the bad
Speaker 1: things too. Actually, his parents are crazy about you. I've
Speaker 1: been very, very lucky for the past three years that
Speaker 1: the fact that I've had a very good relationship with
Speaker 1: their parents. I've been over our house numerous times. I
Speaker 1: think the first time I met them was in October
Speaker 1: two fifteen. And they've been so nice to me and
Speaker 1: so gracious when they really didn't have to be. I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful to have in laws like them. And she said,
Speaker 1: and the most famous podcast that you did reach out
Speaker 1: to her parents unbeknownst to her. Yes, so I called.
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to have to keep the secret
Speaker 1: too long, so I called her dad. I texted her dad. Actually,
Speaker 1: I said, Mr Rick and Eddie, whenever you have a second,
Speaker 1: I'd love to talk to you. Please don't tell Ashley
Speaker 1: I'm reaching out. He knows exactly what's going on. No,
Speaker 1: he did not, because well, first he texted back, who's
Speaker 1: this and so and um and so, and then I
Speaker 1: responded and said, it's it's Jared. I just want to
Speaker 1: talk to her a few minutes. And he says, everything okay.
Speaker 1: I said, everything is fine, Um, just a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes on the phone, of your time, please. So he
Speaker 1: called me about ten or fifteen minutes later, and we
Speaker 1: talked on the phone for about ten minutes, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I started the conversation just asking how he's doing,
Speaker 1: what's up, blah blah blah blah blah, And then I
Speaker 1: went into like this four minute monologue about my feeling
Speaker 1: stars actually and everything that's happened over the past three years,
Speaker 1: and where I see our relationship going, and how important
Speaker 1: she is to me, and how wonderful, um, you know,
Speaker 1: how how much of a lucky I'd be to be
Speaker 1: a part of your family, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: And then finally I said, you know, as you well know,
Speaker 1: we're probably as you know, we're making a cameo on Paradise,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask for your permission to ask
Speaker 1: for her hand in marriage. Um. And so he was like,
Speaker 1: very well done, Jared, very well done. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: just saidn't really wonderful things and said he'd be very
Speaker 1: proud to have me as a son in law. So
Speaker 1: and then that's when I asked if I should tell
Speaker 1: Ashley's mom, because Ashley's mom has no poker face. I
Speaker 1: love her so much, but you know, like any mom,
Speaker 1: she would be so excited. How can you possibly contain that?
Speaker 1: And he was like, listen, I trust my wife. She
Speaker 1: would never spoil anything like this. So I called her
Speaker 1: mom later that day. We talked on the phone for
Speaker 1: like a half hour, and um, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was very excited. She said said something that was so
Speaker 1: sweet though. She said, of all the guys that Actuley
Speaker 1: has ever you know dated or you know, been around,
Speaker 1: She's like, you're the only guy that I would um
Speaker 1: want as a son in law. And so that was
Speaker 1: very very very sweet of her to say, and so
Speaker 1: I heard him. I get along with her mom famously though.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I ever met her, we
Speaker 1: sat in living for like forty five minutes and just
Speaker 1: talked about everything and anything. And then this was like
Speaker 1: I said back in two thousan fifteen, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the conversation, she goes, are you sure you're
Speaker 1: not gonna did Ashley and said, listen, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the future housing store, but um we shall see
Speaker 1: Mrs liken Ttie. So so yes, of course I reached out.
Speaker 1: I had to come on, you do you have to
Speaker 1: So it was a little interesting because when I was
Speaker 1: down in Mexico, I was talking to Tanner and Evan
Speaker 1: about it and I was like, oh, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to call the dad. You know, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys went through the same thing, and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't. Actually you never had the opportunity. You guys
Speaker 1: got engaged on the show. It was so funny. Tanner
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you're an apt I was like, I
Speaker 1: wasn't even thinking because it would have been so weird.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine? Like what if Tanner called him after
Speaker 1: the proposal and I was like, Hey, I don't know
Speaker 1: Roper is Jade's James. So he goes, hey, Mr Roper,
Speaker 1: I know we've never met each other. I know you
Speaker 1: have no idea who I am, but just so you know,
Speaker 1: I've already asked your daughter to marry me and she
Speaker 1: said yes. And whether I have your blessing or not,
Speaker 1: would that be wouldn't that be more on. You know,
Speaker 1: that's not acceptable. I mean, my daughter is my oldest
Speaker 1: is twelve, so we're not there yet, but that's not acceptable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So as a as a dad, if say, hypothetics, your
Speaker 1: daughter on exactly so thirty days, so she was going
Speaker 1: for thirty days, so you have no idea if she's
Speaker 1: engaged your summer camp. It's summer camp. She goes off
Speaker 1: to a summer camp, potentially gets engaged. She comes back
Speaker 1: and she says, Hey, I got engaged to this guy.
Speaker 1: I want you to meet him. So the guy calls you, Hey,
Speaker 1: Mr Wong, I guess proposed to your daughter in summer camp.
Speaker 1: So would you rather have the guy that you have
Speaker 1: no idea who he is or anything about that? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would rather. I don't want a phone call. He
Speaker 1: needs to come and talk to me personally. Yes, I see.
Speaker 1: I I wanted to do that as well, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles. Her dad was in Virginia. I
Speaker 1: called my father, my future now father in law as well,
Speaker 1: because I was in Los Angeles and they were in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: So sometimes you don't have a choice. Voice and just
Speaker 1: like you wait to the left possible second before Amy
Speaker 1: and I went out of town so her mother wouldn't
Speaker 1: spoil it because it's the same poker face reason. So
Speaker 1: it's funny, that's very similar. I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of moms. I had a nerve, right. I had a
Speaker 1: difficult time telling my own mom because I was like,
Speaker 1: you cannot, like. I was afraid my mom was gonna
Speaker 1: like text Ashley and just be like, I hope you
Speaker 1: have fun in Paradise with like some sort of smiley emoji,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what my mom would do, which would
Speaker 1: be a dead giveaway. So I was like, mom, you
Speaker 1: you can't do anything right. You can't do anything. And
Speaker 1: some of my friends whom it's just like like Tanner,
Speaker 1: one of my buddies, new and and and and he
Speaker 1: was like, should I, like, you know, set up this
Speaker 1: text and I, like, you know, try to like allude
Speaker 1: to maybe we're not getting engaged. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: less is more. Let's just everybody, everybody stay calm, nobody overreact.
Speaker 1: Let's just get through this. I don't want her to
Speaker 1: know anything, or at least as little as possible. So
Speaker 1: I was right there, beautiful, So we can we tell
Speaker 1: the Wong story real quick? If I didn't know why
Speaker 1: you just called me Mr. Just to please what We
Speaker 1: talked about it before, but you have I don't remember
Speaker 1: talking about that. We have maybe we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: it on air. I don't think we have on air.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Please enlightened that. I worked for
Speaker 1: Rickney's about ten years ago and we did a morning
Speaker 1: show on a station called Moving nine to three nine
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist anymore in Los Angeles, but he asked
Speaker 1: me to be the news guy on his morning show.
Speaker 1: My name is Mark Mulnitski, very Chuckoslovakian name, and he
Speaker 1: said I'd love you to be my news guy. Said, wow,
Speaker 1: that's really exciting. Thank you so much. I'd love to
Speaker 1: do that. And he said, I'd like your name to
Speaker 1: be Mark Wong. And the reason was he loved the
Speaker 1: phrase you heard it right from Wong as a news again,
Speaker 1: that was my catchphrase. That's it, you heard it right
Speaker 1: from Wong. I'm Mark Wong on Moving nine and that
Speaker 1: was the deal. So that's why I was Mark Wong
Speaker 1: for two and a half years. But it was tough
Speaker 1: for my wife because she would tell people my husband's
Speaker 1: Mark Wong and they would immediately look to our children.
Speaker 1: Expect you to see these multi ethnic children. And we're
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin, We're not. There's no Asian in us whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And so that was always confusing for people. And I
Speaker 1: would make appearances and people would not expect me to
Speaker 1: look the way I look. Was very strange for three years.
Speaker 1: But that's why he just referred to me as Mr Wong.
Speaker 1: I'm only referring to you as Mr Wang from now on.
Speaker 1: I think it's incredible. It's amazing. Um Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: move on to further things about last night's episode. Chris,
Speaker 1: who had a bit of a self destruction moment himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was self destruction last night. What was he so
Speaker 1: mad about? Again, He was coming off the group date
Speaker 1: super hot, after the whole performance at the bar or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and then and then he didn't get
Speaker 1: any time at the later portion of the date, which
Speaker 1: was his own fault. He never went out to her.
Speaker 1: As being one of the guys on the Bachelorette, you
Speaker 1: have to make the effort. Bent his own fault for
Speaker 1: not going up and talking to Becca. And then come
Speaker 1: Rose Ceremony cocktail hour, he got some time with Becca
Speaker 1: and Becca was a little upset with him for not
Speaker 1: I guess inserting himself when she feels like he should
Speaker 1: have and that's what she would want in a partner.
Speaker 1: And then he starts like getting on his heels and
Speaker 1: backpatting a little bit and be like, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly what I said. I remember at that.
Speaker 1: So it was at the group date, and then at
Speaker 1: the night portion, the cocktail portion portion, he didn't go
Speaker 1: up to her, and then she sat back down. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't get to spend some time with everybody.
Speaker 1: I think he was the only guy that didn't have time.
Speaker 1: So he was kind of getting a little mad that
Speaker 1: she didn't come up to him, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: She gives the rose to blake, he gets a little
Speaker 1: pissy about it, and then he said he was gonna
Speaker 1: go home, and that's what started the entire thing. I
Speaker 1: hated how he said he wanted to go home over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. It kind of reminded me
Speaker 1: of like like a toddler who doesn't get a toy
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, if I don't get this, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run away, and then you'll be sorry and it's like, listen, Chris,
Speaker 1: if you want to go home. Um, I'm sure beck
Speaker 1: Is gonna be just fine with it. Like I hate
Speaker 1: when people threaten uh friends somebody with leaving, and I
Speaker 1: think I think the reason that they do that, and
Speaker 1: maybe that Chris did it the last night as well,
Speaker 1: was like I'm going to see how much he cares
Speaker 1: about me by seeing how hard she fights for me
Speaker 1: to stick around kind of thing. You know. I will
Speaker 1: say that there was a point during my Bachelor experience
Speaker 1: where my journey, if you will, where we were at
Speaker 1: a cocktail hour and I was like, listen, guys, like
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. I don't know what's going on. Like I like,
Speaker 1: I want to go home, Like I missed my friends,
Speaker 1: I missed my home, I missed everything about like being
Speaker 1: back just in California around like my usual life because
Speaker 1: you know, you're gone for like six weeks at that
Speaker 1: point too. And they're like listen, like this is part
Speaker 1: of the journey, Like this is like everyone goes through this.
Speaker 1: And then eventually I was like, oh, you're right, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just being dramatic right now. Whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: think that he just had he had such a big meltdown.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what it is. I think like
Speaker 1: he maybe sees other relationships progressing faster, like a like
Speaker 1: a Garrett Blake Colton all seemed to be doing really
Speaker 1: really well for themselves and he thinks he's the front
Speaker 1: runner too, and then he's like, oh wait, like I thought,
Speaker 1: I'm putting everything out there and I'm still not even
Speaker 1: top of the pecking order, like maybe I should go
Speaker 1: home kind of thing. And I think everybody goes through that,
Speaker 1: but everybody is allowed to have a moment, but his
Speaker 1: wasn't a moment. His was an ongoing thing because this
Speaker 1: bled into the Rose ceremony where he did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, where he just felt like Becca was mad
Speaker 1: at him, and he was like, I just want to
Speaker 1: go home. This is ridiculous, And that's what bothered me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it's fine to have a moment of weakness
Speaker 1: and say I want to go home, because we all
Speaker 1: were there, right, We're like, it's exhausting and this process
Speaker 1: is very difficult, and there's still ten other guys and
Speaker 1: while I feel confident, I'm not sure where the hell
Speaker 1: I am. Um. I just kind of want to go
Speaker 1: home and sleep in my own bed and back in
Speaker 1: my comfort zone. But with him, it was more of
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home, because it was he was using
Speaker 1: it more as a threat towards Becca. That's what I
Speaker 1: felt like. It was more of like, if she doesn't
Speaker 1: show me more, I'm gonna go home. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's not her responsibility to show him more. It's
Speaker 1: his responsibility to show her more because he's one of
Speaker 1: the guys. Yes, that's just the way the show works.
Speaker 1: For example, when it's The Bachelor and you're one of
Speaker 1: the girls, it's your responsibility to show the one man
Speaker 1: more than he has to show back. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just the way the the the entire Bachelor franchise works. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But and so Chris started mounting down a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then it went into the cocktail party. But it
Speaker 1: was super funny when he went up, so he had
Speaker 1: his time, and then he went back up to get
Speaker 1: more time and he interrupted Wills, and Will's reaction was perfect,
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna give you two minutes, and Will's
Speaker 1: got up, to his credit, gave him. Even if it
Speaker 1: wasn't a full two minutes, it was a minute. And
Speaker 1: then he came back, and I hated the way Chris
Speaker 1: kind of approached it again. We was like, he's like this,
Speaker 1: you can't give me more. You can't give me more,
Speaker 1: like I just need five minutes. I just need And
Speaker 1: then he was like, man, this is really important. And
Speaker 1: I loved wills Um response to that when he was like, what,
Speaker 1: my time is not imporn And that's such an awkward
Speaker 1: thing too. It's because you don't want to be disrespectful
Speaker 1: to him, the other guy, disrespectful to her Becca, and
Speaker 1: disrespectful to yourself, and so you're like, okay, like there's
Speaker 1: so much going on. I don't want it to look
Speaker 1: like I'm a pushover and get up right away. But
Speaker 1: I also want to be respectful and like polite and
Speaker 1: allow you to grasp at whatever straws you need to
Speaker 1: grasp that here. And I think Will handled it entirely appropriately,
Speaker 1: like he was respectful. He gave him some time even
Speaker 1: though he probably shouldn't have. No, Yeah, and then his
Speaker 1: time is just as important. What it was funny too,
Speaker 1: is when Wills came back to sit down on the
Speaker 1: couch and Jayson, I'm sorry Chris was sitting there, and
Speaker 1: Chris is like, well, so, like, what will is, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be super angry at me? And I was was like,
Speaker 1: not not angry, man, like, no, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I never said you're disrespecting me. That's what he said, right.
Speaker 1: I hope you got what you think you needed out
Speaker 1: of that. And so I'm listening. I'm glad that Chris
Speaker 1: got a rose because, like we talked about, yet, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a good moment for him. He had a bad
Speaker 1: couple of nights, which is frustrating. But if he gets
Speaker 1: the rose and he's able to move forward and actually
Speaker 1: learn from this, then I'm all for it. But judging
Speaker 1: by the preview, apparently him and Lincoln get into it,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't look like he learned from his mistakes. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: UM I agree. Um So, before we jump into this
Speaker 1: third and final segment of the day, we're going to
Speaker 1: share with you a podcast that we're all pretty excited
Speaker 1: to hear about. That we are, so let's let's hear
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Speaker 1: Azzi Media that explores history surprising connections in order to
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Speaker 1: Podcasts are awesome right there? There's so many different ways
Speaker 1: to go with this. Sure, you know what they say
Speaker 1: about podcasters, right what do they say? They say those
Speaker 1: who can do and those who can't do podcasts? I
Speaker 1: think that's true that uh do you under some emails?
Speaker 1: Jamie has a question for those in relationships, so mostly
Speaker 1: Jared and Mark. She says, do you ever feel pressured
Speaker 1: to make your significant other smile or laugh when they're
Speaker 1: feeling sad or grumpy? How do you deal with when
Speaker 1: they're in that mood where they won't just smile at anything?
Speaker 1: I always take it personally when my fiance is grumpy,
Speaker 1: won't smile at anything I say. I know I shouldn't,
Speaker 1: but I can't help it sometimes. How do you deal
Speaker 1: with your fiance slash wife in a mood and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it? Mark? After you I've
Speaker 1: been married for this summer will be sixteen years. Um.
Speaker 1: I think space is important in a relationship. And I
Speaker 1: think when the other partner is grumpy, and it could
Speaker 1: be my wife or it could be me, I think
Speaker 1: The message that is unconsciously being sent is I need
Speaker 1: a little space right now. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: you should do for your fiance. Just leave him be
Speaker 1: a little bit. Because as much as we love our
Speaker 1: spouses and we love our families, you know, like we've
Speaker 1: joked about in the past, there's a reason that dad's
Speaker 1: with kids spend a lot of time in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: They just need a few minutes to themselves, and so
Speaker 1: sometimes it gets a little overwhelming. When you're all live
Speaker 1: in a house. It isn't necessarily that big you need.
Speaker 1: It gets a little bit crowded sometimes, So I think
Speaker 1: that's the main thing is to give him some space.
Speaker 1: I would agree, sometimes you just need to go outside
Speaker 1: and get some mair, and then it clears your head
Speaker 1: and you're like, why the hell was I just so mad?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll even sometimes I'll just take a drive and
Speaker 1: like listen to music. I'll drive for like ten minutes
Speaker 1: and then it will be just I'll be centered again.
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny though, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: how so many guys been so much time in bathroom.
Speaker 1: There's an ongoing joke. Last year at the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots with Tom Brady. Tom Brady was early at the
Speaker 1: stadium every day, and there's this ongoing rumor that he
Speaker 1: was like he needed to get out of the house.
Speaker 1: So he's like, all right, honey, I'm going to the
Speaker 1: stadium seven hours before the game. I gotta get out
Speaker 1: of here. Um. But yeah, I think, listen, you have
Speaker 1: to handle each differently. Like for me, I you know,
Speaker 1: I know Ashley well enough where I can like know
Speaker 1: how to handle her in a grumpy mood. I think
Speaker 1: she knows how to handle me as well. And it
Speaker 1: all really is different. But I think space is a
Speaker 1: good universal idea to deal with that. There's just no
Speaker 1: downside to it, you know, leaving me for a little bit,
Speaker 1: and if there they need something, look find you exactly
Speaker 1: all right, there we go doing anything to add I
Speaker 1: think you guy said at all? All right? This is
Speaker 1: from a confused data. She calls herself. I never thought
Speaker 1: I'd be in her friends with benefits relationship, but here
Speaker 1: I am. We slept together recently for the first time.
Speaker 1: Before we did, I told him I'm not sure I'm
Speaker 1: really into you right now, but I'm physically attracted to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm very in the mood he was fine with that.
Speaker 1: I'll bet he was. Since then, we've found out a
Speaker 1: few more times and continue to have sex. It's great.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it for what it is, and also know
Speaker 1: that if you wanted to end things, I would not
Speaker 1: be heartbroken. It's taken me a while to get over
Speaker 1: my act, and this is the first time I feel
Speaker 1: like I've gotten my swag back. But it feels weird
Speaker 1: telling people I'm just using him primarily for sex. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could lead to more, but I'm not really feeling
Speaker 1: it from a man's perspective. Do you think that friends
Speaker 1: with benefits situations are implied or was this a conversation
Speaker 1: we need to have. I feel like the man in
Speaker 1: this situation. I want to date again and date other people,
Speaker 1: but still continue with this until I have feelings for
Speaker 1: someone else. For those of you have been in those situations,
Speaker 1: what is the friends with benefits conversation like or does
Speaker 1: it even have to happen? I think the tricky thing
Speaker 1: with these situations specifically, is what is your interaction on
Speaker 1: a weekly basis with this person via conversation? Are you
Speaker 1: texting each other? Are you asking how your days are going?
Speaker 1: All that kind of stuff. Because that's the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that's going to lead a purely physical relationship into
Speaker 1: an emotional one, probably more for you than for him,
Speaker 1: I would think. And if that doesn't happen, like if
Speaker 1: you guys basically just meet up every Friday or Saturday
Speaker 1: night and like hook up and then go about your
Speaker 1: week and then just kind of come back to that
Speaker 1: every week, then that's purely a friends with benefits situation.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what we don't see with this specifically,
Speaker 1: is what's happening regularly conversationally that you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: kind of oblivious to because I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: where it all draps fround. Yeah. I also think I
Speaker 1: think the only time you have to really bring up
Speaker 1: with friends with benefits conversation is if you are sleeping
Speaker 1: with other people, because then now that's I think that's
Speaker 1: the only conversation really need to have, is Okay, if
Speaker 1: we are friends with benefits, are we hooking up with
Speaker 1: other people? Because then that brings in a whole different conversation. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think right now, yeah, you guys are fine.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with having friends with benefit Like, I
Speaker 1: get that people feel awkward talking about it, but it's
Speaker 1: certainly not embarrassing in any way. It is just a
Speaker 1: physical need that human beings have to have. Like that's
Speaker 1: just that's just the way it is, That's the way
Speaker 1: life is. And so I don't know, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with having a friends with benefit if you guys just
Speaker 1: like the physical part of your relationship. But you guys
Speaker 1: don't want to dive in anymore than do exactly what
Speaker 1: he was saying. We're just as long as you guys
Speaker 1: both comfortable, comfortable text each other and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to hook up tonight. And she's getting her
Speaker 1: swag back. This is working for her. She's getting over
Speaker 1: this way exactly, and doesn't it work in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. It brings about it like anytime you start
Speaker 1: hooking up, you start feeling better about yourself and you
Speaker 1: start building a little bit more confidence. You just have
Speaker 1: to be safe about it and have open communication. You
Speaker 1: don't want to lead anybody on. Okay, But does the
Speaker 1: communication involved the conversation that she's asking about. Because my
Speaker 1: feeling is and this might be a little too much
Speaker 1: of a guy thought, My guy thought on this is
Speaker 1: the conversation could ruin this? I agree, and so that's
Speaker 1: where you want to have communication and make sure you're
Speaker 1: both on the same page. So how do you make
Speaker 1: both happen? I think, like Dean said, it all depends
Speaker 1: on what the conversations are. Like, if you guys are
Speaker 1: talking every other day, then you might need to have
Speaker 1: a talk. But if you guys are talking once a
Speaker 1: week and that one time is to set up a
Speaker 1: date when you guys hook up, I think you're fine. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, But I do think Mark has a great point.
Speaker 1: It's like, the second you have the conversation, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of what it applies. It's like shouting your cat.
Speaker 1: It's like, once you address it, then that's what it becomes.
Speaker 1: Sort of thing. So it's like if you ask the
Speaker 1: person like, hey, so we're just gonna have We're just
Speaker 1: gonna hook up with each other and that's gonna be it.
Speaker 1: Another person is like, oh wait, whoa, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hook up with you at all anymore kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's it's kind of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it catch twenty two in a sense, but well,
Speaker 1: why would the other person do not want to hook
Speaker 1: up anymore? I don't know, it's just like once you
Speaker 1: address it and maybe like they thought that it was
Speaker 1: leading to something more, and then you're very open or not, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't it better than you addressed it early on rather
Speaker 1: than leading him on? Absolutely, So maybe it's best if
Speaker 1: they talk. Okay, you're right on hansation, No, we're not.
Speaker 1: Come on, we need to pick definitive stances here. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Maybe address it and just be like, hey,
Speaker 1: what what we have going on? It is great, Let's
Speaker 1: continue to do what we're doing and not think anything
Speaker 1: else of it. Hypothetically speaking, what if they are talking
Speaker 1: once a week and it is only to set a
Speaker 1: time to hook up, and if that's what she wants,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's just keep doing that exactly right. So
Speaker 1: I think it all depends as long as they're having
Speaker 1: protected sexual intercourse with each other. I agree you just yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's the friends with benefit. That's where it gets gray,
Speaker 1: is the fact that we'll say I go on a
Speaker 1: date and it goes really well, and then I go
Speaker 1: on another day and we end up hooking up. Because
Speaker 1: then it's like, I don't know if that's really fair
Speaker 1: for anybody involved, So just be safe I really haven't
Speaker 1: heard much since he said Schrodinger's cat. Can you explain
Speaker 1: that to what? That sounds interesting? You don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know that Schrodinger was I don't remember exactly, either a
Speaker 1: scientist or a philosopher from a while ago where he
Speaker 1: devised his experiment where he put a cat in a shoebox,
Speaker 1: and in that shoebox with the cat was like a
Speaker 1: piece of I can't remember what it was, something that
Speaker 1: could kill the cat the second he gets into it.
Speaker 1: And basically the cat is both alive and dead until
Speaker 1: you open the box to observe the cat. So if
Speaker 1: you open the box and the cat is dead, you
Speaker 1: killed the cat. But if you didn't, if you don't
Speaker 1: open the box, then the cat is still presumed alive,
Speaker 1: which makes you innocent in the sense. So it's like
Speaker 1: up until up until you observe something for what it is.
Speaker 1: It can be either things beforehand, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And if you observe it dead, then it's your fault
Speaker 1: for killing the cat. But if you don't observe it
Speaker 1: at all, then your remain kind of innocent in that sense.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the thing that I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: It's like, until you observe this friends with benefits relationship
Speaker 1: for what it is, it can be either thing that
Speaker 1: you both wanted to be, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's really it's really intelligent. Any we just did that.
Speaker 1: I'm very impressed with that. Thanks Mark Long, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do another one. This is Marley. Two
Speaker 1: years ago, I moved to austrail Ya, and I was
Speaker 1: using apps to meet people. After three days with this guy,
Speaker 1: he said he was looking for someone a seriously date.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, I'm mostly looking to meet people.
Speaker 1: Year and a half goes by. We come very close friends. Well,
Speaker 1: one night, we're drinking heavily. We'll go back to his place.
Speaker 1: Things weren't working on his end and he started freaking out.
Speaker 1: He said he wanted to tell me that feelings for me,
Speaker 1: but couldn't understand why this wasn't working with someone he
Speaker 1: actually finally has feelings for, and now it's not happening.
Speaker 1: What's my problem? I was very supportive. I said, it's
Speaker 1: no big deal. For the next week, we hung out
Speaker 1: every day, but all we did was peck goodbye. When
Speaker 1: he dropped me off. No more action. Finally, ten days
Speaker 1: after the incident, takes me out to dinner, drops me off,
Speaker 1: sends me a text ten minutes later, ending it I
Speaker 1: was shocked. What happened? Did he change his mind that fast?
Speaker 1: Is he just insecure about the incident? Is it possible
Speaker 1: he felt like Jared didn't wasn't ready to be in
Speaker 1: a place where he could be the man who needed
Speaker 1: him to be? Or should I just accept that there
Speaker 1: was no spark? I mean, it is very coincidental that
Speaker 1: after that moment you noticed a definitive change in his interactions.
Speaker 1: Impendence can really mess with the guy's head, Oh, of course,
Speaker 1: because it's just like we're men, right, We're supposed to be,
Speaker 1: you know, strong and tough and like capable, capable exactly,
Speaker 1: and then when you're not, it's definitely demoralizing and embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I've been there before, it's nothing. Everybody's been there before.
Speaker 1: It's nothing to be ashamed of. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I mean, are you guys since we've all been there,
Speaker 1: like you've been that moment, you've had that moment You're like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm letting her down. Contrary to this
Speaker 1: situation though, Is it didn't nothing did nothing but make
Speaker 1: me want to prove my ability even more. And so
Speaker 1: that's kind of weird that he took the opposite approach
Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, like this went wrong in the
Speaker 1: first time, I'm just gonna avoid it entirely and completely now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it goes back to your theory with the cat,
Speaker 1: where instead of like actually opening the box and seeing
Speaker 1: at the cat's dad, he's like, I'm just never opening
Speaker 1: that box again, and it's going to be out of mind,
Speaker 1: out of sight. That's kind of right. I think he
Speaker 1: feels like maybe there was just no coming back from
Speaker 1: that because there's also the mental game you can play,
Speaker 1: and with this guy might have been playing, like if
Speaker 1: we try again and it doesn't happen again, that's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not bad, but it's just, you know, it's a possibility.
Speaker 1: Because the thing too is he was probably gonna. He
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be overthinking it, like in the
Speaker 1: moment he knew he was that he was just gonna
Speaker 1: That's probably why it happened to him in the first places.
Speaker 1: He's overthinking. He's like, oh, I have to perform now,
Speaker 1: and like if I don't that, I'm gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: judge and criticize and all that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: like you get that thought process stuck in your own
Speaker 1: head and it's I mean, you could speak to lengths
Speaker 1: about this stuff because I've been there the worst. But
Speaker 1: the thing is too they say, we were out one
Speaker 1: night drinking heavily, and alcohol has an effect on it,
Speaker 1: huge effect. You know, sometimes when you're too drunk, it's
Speaker 1: just not there. It's interesting that this guy was just
Speaker 1: even unwilling to try a sober I think that for
Speaker 1: Marley's six, she should just kind of forget about it.
Speaker 1: I agree, maybe got some confidence issues if I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then what the guy is thinking of that situation
Speaker 1: is how you're going to react, Like that's his biggest
Speaker 1: fear is how you're going to react, even though that
Speaker 1: may or may not be there. There maybe is no
Speaker 1: right or wrong way to react, But that's his fear
Speaker 1: is that you're gonna take it personally, that you're going
Speaker 1: to think this is something that he's not attracted to
Speaker 1: you or you it's going to add to your insecurities
Speaker 1: and that's so not what's going on. And that's the
Speaker 1: last thing he wants you to think. Yeah, exactly, because Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, guys just generally perk up at the weird
Speaker 1: times throughout the day, and I'm using that turn perk
Speaker 1: up very specifically for one specific thing. And so the
Speaker 1: fact that maybe one time it's not working, it's not
Speaker 1: a personal thing that she should be concerned about. It's
Speaker 1: just a thing that the guy is going through at
Speaker 1: that moment, and I'm sure when he wakes up in
Speaker 1: the morning, he'll be perfectly pricked up again. It's kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, we don't have to get down to this,
Speaker 1: but never mind. I like those conversations. I did too, actually,
Speaker 1: but it's more common than you think. For all the
Speaker 1: women listening to this. Five try not to take it personally.
Speaker 1: If that never happens, even like for a regularly like
Speaker 1: a perfectly capable, regularly functioning guy can still happen, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one in five, baby, well, one in five struggles with
Speaker 1: it regularly. But even the most like fit and testosterone
Speaker 1: filled man can still experience it. Yeah, we all just
Speaker 1: admitted that we've all been through. We've all been there,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of testoster in this room right now,
Speaker 1: a lot of it feel it years and years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm up right here it comes. I had this friend
Speaker 1: of mine that was really close with and things got
Speaker 1: kind of hot and heavy. I had a really bad
Speaker 1: mike rain at the time, and that can hurt things,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean, and so it was
Speaker 1: really embarrassing, and uh, we just kind of fell asleep.
Speaker 1: And then the next day I didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it because you know, my hugo was bruised and uh,
Speaker 1: there's some other stuff going on. We didn't talk about
Speaker 1: it for years, and then finally years later, I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta clear the air about something because she thought
Speaker 1: I was and I'm like, I was very Indio, very
Speaker 1: very Indio. And then um, five years after that, that
Speaker 1: woman became my wife. The way you're going with the story,
Speaker 1: that's exactly the ending. I thought it was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: hoping yes, So Somarley should not be worried. This is
Speaker 1: the person's just been Yeah, there we go. That's a
Speaker 1: fun personal tidbit. Mark. Sorry, Easton's relationship with his wife
Speaker 1: started with impotence. That's right. Let's see you wonder one more.
Speaker 1: This one's not as much dating. It's Kylie. Four years ago,
Speaker 1: I unintentionally set up two of my best friends by
Speaker 1: inviting them to hang out with a big group, and
Speaker 1: they hit it off. They've didd it on and off
Speaker 1: for the four years, but they are terrible for each other.
Speaker 1: Two months ago they finally broke up for good. But
Speaker 1: now they've come to the port where they hate each
Speaker 1: other and can't be around each other. I love them both,
Speaker 1: I like spending time with them, but they ruin every
Speaker 1: time we hang out. How can you be friends with
Speaker 1: two axes who can't stand each other. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I can't hang out with them at the same time, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. That's that's the answer. They can't be in
Speaker 1: the same room. That was and hopefully both exers would
Speaker 1: be mature enough to understand that you're gonna stay friends
Speaker 1: with both of them and you're not going to choose.
Speaker 1: There was always an awkwardness. So when I when my
Speaker 1: former girlfriend and I broke up, she was and I
Speaker 1: have a very similar friend group, like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of overlap. We actually met the similar similar situation just
Speaker 1: through a big group of friends. Um, and when we
Speaker 1: broke up, we didn't necessarily hate each other, but we
Speaker 1: obviously fresh out of a relationship. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be in the same room as your former boyfriend and
Speaker 1: girlfriend all the time, especially at parties and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And so there's always this weird, delicate
Speaker 1: balance that my friends were going through of like I
Speaker 1: can't invite her because Dean's here. I can't invite Dean
Speaker 1: because she's here, like that kind of thing. And I
Speaker 1: was perfectly okay with it. I think she was perfectly
Speaker 1: okay with it. But from the friends perspective, it's challenging
Speaker 1: and it's I feel like you have to choose which
Speaker 1: friend you want to hang out with in these situations.
Speaker 1: You can't obviously invite both of them over to the
Speaker 1: party or to your house, whatever it is. You just
Speaker 1: have to either choose a side every occasion that you have,
Speaker 1: or choose a side and stick with it for the
Speaker 1: into into perpetuity. I think you choose a side or
Speaker 1: that seems cold, I know. But when my when we
Speaker 1: when we had a couple of friends who broke up,
Speaker 1: we picked one to stay with and the other one
Speaker 1: is out of our lives. Holy moly. I mean it
Speaker 1: wasn't we didn't have like a ceremony, But it's just
Speaker 1: kind of what happened. I think that maybe what they
Speaker 1: should do is invite both of them to the house
Speaker 1: cage match style, have those you remember American Gladiator, those
Speaker 1: cute things that they would fight with, and you put
Speaker 1: a key in the to the apartment in the middle
Speaker 1: of the living room, locked the door, and then whoever
Speaker 1: walks out is in your life? Is your best friend?
Speaker 1: Is your best friend forever? Is in your life? Forever? Genius? Genius?
Speaker 1: When we got it, Yeah, Kylie, I I think I
Speaker 1: think pick one. Come on, you can't both of both
Speaker 1: of them, can you know? It's impossible. Because my friend
Speaker 1: was Jeremy. My wife friend was Rachel. They got married,
Speaker 1: they then they got divorced. We were friends with Rachel. Jeremy.
Speaker 1: I text him on his birthday. That's the that's the
Speaker 1: extent of I'm sorry, you got to pick a side.
Speaker 1: And I think it will naturally happen over the course
Speaker 1: of time. It will. I think one friend will just
Speaker 1: stay in your life more than the other. Sure, And
Speaker 1: I think I think before most of those relationships happen,
Speaker 1: you already are better friends with one of them beforehand,
Speaker 1: and typically that's the one that you stay better friends with.
Speaker 1: Posts right, exactly Like in my situation, my friends obviously
Speaker 1: stayed closer with me, and her friends stayed closer with her.
Speaker 1: Obviously they wanted me a part of their life, right.
Speaker 1: But it's just one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 1: whoever maybe you were closer with before the relationship is
Speaker 1: the person you stayed closer with the post relationship. Totally, totally,
Speaker 1: totally so per last week's episode, what we've been doing
Speaker 1: is if you get on the podcast store, leave us
Speaker 1: a five star review and roast us in the comments.
Speaker 1: We will read those roasts on air at the end
Speaker 1: of every episode. Will last week with an us and
Speaker 1: I did it. This week it's going to be Jared
Speaker 1: and myself and Jared, I've typed out something for you.
Speaker 1: So years are gonna be on the right, miner on
Speaker 1: the left, and we'll just go on for a while.
Speaker 1: A ready, So this is a five star review, and
Speaker 1: here we go. Jared is a poor man's DiCaprio in
Speaker 1: the depoted. He doesn't need help dating. He's serving a
Speaker 1: life sentence with some smoke show. Get that man a
Speaker 1: Cranberry juice saying a bad New England accents. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what it says right there, And that's not the line,
Speaker 1: by the way, what is it? It's I think the
Speaker 1: line is, uh, he's like, what are you drinking? Granberry juice?
Speaker 1: Get him a cranberry juice. That's the line. That's the man.
Speaker 1: That one wasn't bad. I think I think I chose
Speaker 1: some worst roast for me. I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: Is that a roast? If somebody says you're a poor
Speaker 1: man's DiCaprio that This kind of leads into a little bit.
Speaker 1: This one is titled Oh my God, shut up, Jared,
Speaker 1: but this one's directed to me. So, y'all, wal Deane
Speaker 1: has wishy washy little man boy. I've remained a loyal listener. Sure,
Speaker 1: this group gives the worst possible dating advice, brings in
Speaker 1: job brownies and whackadoo psychics as guests and continually talk
Speaker 1: over each other. But who doesn't want to waste their
Speaker 1: time with that? And I included that one because it's
Speaker 1: a roast, But then it's also who doesn't want to
Speaker 1: waste their time with that? So it's kind of a
Speaker 1: nice way to finish it. Um, all right, we god,
Speaker 1: this one's mine. Jared talks too much and too fast
Speaker 1: while being a walking pop culture reference. I take that
Speaker 1: as a compliment, thank you very much, because he has
Speaker 1: no other references. And let's be real, the pop culture
Speaker 1: references themselves are limited. That's fair. The roast as much
Speaker 1: as honest critiques. Yeah, this one, uh is by Candor
Speaker 1: the Gray and there are some words in it that
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna mispronounced. Five star rating, titled extremely vapid.
Speaker 1: Do you know the difference between this podcast and a bucket?
Speaker 1: The bucket? Pretty sure? When someone told these three that
Speaker 1: they had faces for radio, it went over their vacuous
Speaker 1: heads and they literally started a podcast. Most of the
Speaker 1: program consists of Dean throwing shade at his co hosts
Speaker 1: through correcting their inferior grammar. We get it, Dean, you
Speaker 1: did well on your S A T S. Jokes on you.
Speaker 1: I only take the A C T S when it
Speaker 1: comes to the discussion. Lacks both substance and acumen. The
Speaker 1: only glimmer of hope comes from the standout star of
Speaker 1: the show, whom I can only assume is devastatingly handsome Mark, experienced, knowledgeable, shrewd.
Speaker 1: Mark is a force to be reckoned with keeping an
Speaker 1: even keel on this otherwise sinking ship boom, I know
Speaker 1: one more each before he was out here. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: says this one's about Ashley. Of course it is, Jared.
Speaker 1: Ashley was pining over you for years because she never
Speaker 1: got over her obsession with the Backstrey Boys. And let's
Speaker 1: face it, you got the boy part down. And how
Speaker 1: long it took you to date? Wait? How long it
Speaker 1: took you to date her? And how long it took
Speaker 1: it to day her boom roasted toasted roast. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: kind of should have been a man and dated her earlier.
Speaker 1: I think it's not a roast all This one settled.
Speaker 1: Good for drowning out the sounds of your youth dying
Speaker 1: by Heidi Heidi rou If you enjoy listening to the
Speaker 1: three most unemployed millennials ignored dating device from experts, this
Speaker 1: podcast is for you. Dean is deeply cynical, Jared can't
Speaker 1: commit to anything except his girlfriend, and Vanessa is more
Speaker 1: Canadian than Justin Trudeau. I don't know who that is. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. I highly recommend listening when you need
Speaker 1: a reason to feel superior in your love life. Five
Speaker 1: out of five stars. Wow. That was kind of nice too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was kind of nice. These are actually surprisingly have
Speaker 1: a little positivity at the end of them. So on
Speaker 1: that note, if you're still listening, leave us a five
Speaker 1: star review and be incredibly mean to us because we'll
Speaker 1: read them on air next week. Um. Big thank you
Speaker 1: to Mark Easton and Eric Up for being in studio.
Speaker 1: Big thank you to Jared talking about his engagement with Ashley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for more cloud for that. I appreciate you, guys,
Speaker 1: which we will probably talk about in every podcast from
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Speaker 1: would not be around without our sponsors. Maybe we can
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Speaker 1: us podcast we should. Maybe that's the future, just podcasts,
Speaker 1: all sponsoring other podcasts, people helping people. I love it
Speaker 1: and I will I may as well just say this
Speaker 1: on air. I booked a on the way ticket to Tokyo,
Speaker 1: so I might not be coming back. Dean's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the next season of Bachelor of Japan. See you there,
Speaker 1: you wait, You'll be in Tokyo for the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: I will be I'm gonna do you know people there.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's my first ever solo trip, but I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna I've always been obsessed with Japan, and I
Speaker 1: decided one day I wanted to go, and so here
Speaker 1: we got here. That's pretty exciting. I leave on Sunday. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's really exciting. How long is the flight? It's like
Speaker 1: eleven hours. Okay, that's um, but I will be back eventually.
Speaker 1: We won't see you next week because of July four,
Speaker 1: but Jared and Vanessa will be taking over rains come
Speaker 1: the following week. So all right, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for listening. Be sure to tune in for the next
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