WEBVTT - I Don't Like The Word "Flaccid"

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong, and Jettie I know he Armstrong and Yetty. Everybody's conservative.

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<v Speaker 3>We believe in limited government, and we believe in individual

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<v Speaker 3>freedom and the rule of law and peace through strength

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<v Speaker 3>and fis responsibility and free markets and human dignity, the

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<v Speaker 3>things that are all wrapped into this bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is that and what year was that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's Mike Johnson pretending that this bill is responsible and conservative.

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<v Speaker 4>Was that in nineteen seventy eight? Is the Republican Speaker

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<v Speaker 4>of the House talking about legislation?

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<v Speaker 2>Play that again.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a couple of words there at the beginning. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know the definition of everybody's conservative.

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<v Speaker 3>We believe in limited government, and we believe in individual

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<v Speaker 3>freedom and the rule of law.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a new strength.

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<v Speaker 4>What's what the conservative and limited government? I want to

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<v Speaker 4>hear your definitions of conservative and limited government, which Mike

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<v Speaker 4>Johnson might be conservative and he might believe in limited government,

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<v Speaker 4>but the bill you just passed does not.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not an example of that. No, doesn't represent

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<v Speaker 1>those principles at all. I guess what a beautiful bill,

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<v Speaker 1>or as I'd prefer to call it, the ridiculous rotten retreat.

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<v Speaker 4>BBW. No, that's a different thing, BBB. That's what that's

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<v Speaker 4>what passed last night, the big beautiful bill. And it

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<v Speaker 4>happened in the middle of the night. And here's here's

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<v Speaker 4>a Fox reporter with a little bit of what's in it.

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<v Speaker 5>What's in this bill.

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<v Speaker 3>It's huge.

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<v Speaker 5>It makes permanent those Trump twenty seventeen tax cuts, no

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<v Speaker 5>taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime border security. They

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<v Speaker 5>went after waste, fraud and abuse to make up for

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<v Speaker 5>all that loss, and revenue reforms to medicate worker requirements

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<v Speaker 5>and medicate start in twenty twenty six. That's a huge

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<v Speaker 5>win for those holdouts. Increase is in state and local

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<v Speaker 5>tax deduction caps that goes from ten thousand to forty thousand.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a big win for Republicans and those high tax

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<v Speaker 5>blue states. And it also raises a debt ceiling by

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<v Speaker 5>four trillion. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson has to be breathing

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<v Speaker 5>a sigh of relief this morning.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not at all not true what she just said.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, it's one hundred percent true. But for the reporter,

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<v Speaker 4>on Fox to let you know about the big beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>bill and say it's a win for those Republicans and

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<v Speaker 4>blue states. Right after they played by the way, it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't just us, they played Mike Johnson saying it's a win.

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<v Speaker 2>For fiscal conservatives.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing that could be less conservative than that salt

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<v Speaker 4>deduction portion of the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's it's just ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I despise it. It's indefensible. We actually got one

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<v Speaker 1>email saying, guys, I disagree. Yeah, here's a conservative defense

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<v Speaker 1>of the salt degreement. As a conservative, we want smaller

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<v Speaker 1>federal government and more power in the hands of the

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<v Speaker 1>state and local governments that have a greater and more

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<v Speaker 1>direct impact on our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've said that a million times.

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<v Speaker 1>By deducting our local taxes from our burden of the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, we're taking power away from that centralized dentity,

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<v Speaker 1>because money really is power in this case of no

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<v Speaker 1>other chugging off the revenue stream, and theory with a

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<v Speaker 1>fiscally responsible administration for its federal government to work within

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<v Speaker 1>its means, well, that would be lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's Oh, I'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather fight locally for what I believe and direct where

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<v Speaker 1>my money goes than try to push the giant flacid

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<v Speaker 1>rope that is Washington d C. I appreciate the imagery.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I don't like the word flacid. Get over it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the problem with your argument, though, is that that

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<v Speaker 1>empowers the most egregiously wasteful states. California is not spending

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<v Speaker 1>the money in the way that you reference there, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way you're in the way you're describing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's squandering it on handouts to Crony's as this New

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<v Speaker 1>York It's absolutely shameless.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that's got it. They have it.

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<v Speaker 2>He had. That person has it completely backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's a crime against humanity that red, fiscally conservative

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<v Speaker 4>states have to pick up the slack for blue states

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<v Speaker 4>that can run up their tax bills. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 4>just absolute unelievable. Anyway, Again, what what Mike Jensen would

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<v Speaker 4>say is there is not an appetite for fiscal conservatism

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<v Speaker 4>in this country. Rush Limbaugh said, how many years ago

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<v Speaker 4>was that? I should ask chat GPT what year did

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<v Speaker 4>rush Limbaugh get a fair amount of flack for coming

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<v Speaker 4>out and saying fiscal conservatism is dead. Nobody cares about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember when he said it, and it was like

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<v Speaker 4>it hurt my heart. Yeah, but he was just present hinting,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, As George will says, one of the essence,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the maybe core tenets of being a conservative

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<v Speaker 4>is recognizing what is. Rush Limbaugh was recognizing what is.

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<v Speaker 4>There is not a constituency for being.

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<v Speaker 1>Fiscally conservative, and if they've got to tuck that behind

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<v Speaker 1>the curtain and win elections to get done what we

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<v Speaker 1>can get done.

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<v Speaker 4>Until we, you know, collapse in ruin because we spent

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<v Speaker 4>more than we could take in for too long, and

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<v Speaker 4>eventually there's a price to pay for that. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm reminded of and I think this is rock solid.

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<v Speaker 4>When Winston Churchill, who spent as you may know, the

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen thirties, howling to anybody who had listened, including his

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<v Speaker 4>beloved in England, that the Nazis were building a war

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<v Speaker 4>machine and were soon to be using it, and nobody

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<v Speaker 4>paid attention to him, or at least they told him

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<v Speaker 4>to shut up, he was wrong. We could negotiate instead,

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<v Speaker 4>And then of course the invasion began and the war began,

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<v Speaker 4>and then the very things he'd been pleaing for pleading

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<v Speaker 4>for done, and Churchill said famously, nothing changes until you

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<v Speaker 4>get invaded.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Mike Johnson's of the world is Rush Limbaugh.

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<v Speaker 1>The great Rush recognized back in the time, we'll continue

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<v Speaker 1>spending like Hunter Biden on a coke binge until we're

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<v Speaker 1>actually in a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Katie, didn't you tell us he said it in twenty nineteen, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Six years ago that he recognized what was clearly true

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<v Speaker 4>then and is even more true now. Yeah, there aren't

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<v Speaker 4>votes for being fiscally conservative. So somebody I don't know, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>tweeted out after this, and it's true. It's like when

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<v Speaker 4>it comes to losing weight. I've heard people say you

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<v Speaker 4>can't outwork a bad diet. It's the calories you're taking in,

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<v Speaker 4>not the exercise. You got to do both, but you

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<v Speaker 4>can't out work taken in on those calories. I think

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<v Speaker 4>this is the same premise here. The issue isn't taxes,

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<v Speaker 4>it's spending. The issues isn't taxes, it's spending. The issue

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<v Speaker 4>isn't taxes, it's spending. It repeats that for quite a while. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you can, you can deal with taxes all you want.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the spending. You gotta stop spending so much money,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's no appetite for cutting spending. And then Brit Hume,

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<v Speaker 4>who is the senior analyst over at Fox Television and

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<v Speaker 4>really really good, even though he's ancient.

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<v Speaker 2>When I started covering Congress back.

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<v Speaker 4>In the late seventies, I thought the two hardest votes

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<v Speaker 4>you could make in Congress were for war.

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<v Speaker 2>And raising taxes. I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>The hardest thing, by far for Congress to do is

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<v Speaker 4>clearly cut spending. That's the one vote you can't take

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<v Speaker 4>as a Republican or a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the ratification of the idea that the government is

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus and Mammi is now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's complete, it's solidified. It's just part of our culture.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, I have one good another good summer of

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<v Speaker 4>Favorite fiscal conservatives is Charles CW. Cook of the National Review,

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<v Speaker 4>who retweeted a GOP that can't simply extend the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>seventeen tax cuts defund Biden's ridiculous green energy blowouts period

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<v Speaker 4>is worthless. In other words, you got the presidency, you

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<v Speaker 4>got the Senate, you got the House. You could have

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<v Speaker 4>come in and just done extend the tax cuts, defund

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<v Speaker 4>the green energy period, but nope, had to add in

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<v Speaker 4>a whole bunch of other goodies for a variety of people.

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<v Speaker 4>That is going to grow the deficit by how many

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<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Three trillion over a decade. But those numbers are never

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<v Speaker 1>too conservative? No, no, no, no, yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's discouraging, discouraging. You know. I read a great piece

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<v Speaker 2>by Carl Rove.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of folks, you know, despise as

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<v Speaker 1>an old timey Republican needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get my brother started on Carl Rove, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, I won't, thanks to fair warning. But he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a piece called how the GOP can win Medicaid. Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>won't let Republicans duck the issue, so go on the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive instead, And I agree with him completely in this

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<v Speaker 1>case GOP silence as the Democrats, and I've got great

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this, try to terrify everybody that, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take away healthcare for blind babies, even though

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<v Speaker 1>that's utterly fiction, just complete fiction. But rodwrides GOP silence

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<v Speaker 1>will make the inevitable democratic assault more powerful, and Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of ammo with which to prevail on

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<v Speaker 1>this front. And then he goes into some of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a possible script for the Republican Medicaid off offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Start by declaring a strong commitment to save the program.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to save it because of Democratic policies, Medicaid

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<v Speaker 1>is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on people it shouldn't,

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<v Speaker 1>who are able bodied, in working age. Republicans want this

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<v Speaker 1>assistance to go to the people who is meant for

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<v Speaker 1>the elderly, poor, disabled children, and low income families. Without reform,

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<v Speaker 1>the program on which those Americans depend is at risk

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<v Speaker 1>of rapidly becoming unsustainable. And the GOP should say able

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<v Speaker 1>bodied adults on medication should be required to work or

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<v Speaker 1>look for work, No freeloaders on a program meant for

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<v Speaker 1>the truly vulnerable. That's a great argument, and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this more fact Jack.

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<v Speaker 4>No mainstream media is reporting it that way, though they're

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<v Speaker 4>only reporting eight million people will be cut from their

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<v Speaker 4>health insurance, health coverage, or they usually say health care

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<v Speaker 4>rear right, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, like you can't get medicine and you'll just die.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, So this is so interesting. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, the Kaiser Family Foundation found that sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Americans support, and this is a quote from

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<v Speaker 1>the uh poll, sixty two percent support requiring nearly all

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<v Speaker 1>adults to work or be looking for work to qualify

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<v Speaker 1>for medicaid. Thirty eight was a post It was sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two to thirty eight. But if told that such a

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<v Speaker 1>requirement quote could ensure that Medicaid is reserved for groups

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<v Speaker 1>like the elderly, people with disabilities, and low income children,

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<v Speaker 1>it was seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>To twenty two. It's an eighty twenty issue. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is either a measure of Republican cowardice or yes sting, or.

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<v Speaker 1>How difficult it is to sell something to the American

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<v Speaker 1>electorate in the year twenty twenty five that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even try to win a seventy seven to twenty two battle.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would.

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<v Speaker 4>I would be more willing to side with the it's

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<v Speaker 4>just hard to do if I ever saw him do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Plenty of Republicans on all these various talk shows on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>and I ever see him make that argument try and fail.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what if your kid said, no, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, son. You haven't even tried, but I can't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess you shouldn't try it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta have your kids taken away. I'll raise them,

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<v Speaker 1>send them my way. I'd be delighted. I got lord,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a seventy seven to twenty two and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the balls to fight that battle.

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<v Speaker 6>And Trump isn't doing it either. No testicles boo boo.

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<v Speaker 6>I say, that's the sound I was making at my

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<v Speaker 6>Testla yesterday. I got so mad at Tesla yesterday. I

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<v Speaker 6>may sell the cars and and give up on them.

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<v Speaker 6>I got so angry at the technology, among other things.

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<v Speaker 2>On the way stay here, don't take it. They'll backpedal

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<v Speaker 2>of three from the hym and oh, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a two. That is a two. You're right, that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a two. That only tells the game, that ties

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<v Speaker 2>the game. We're going to be going over to you,

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<v Speaker 2>sure are, man.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a lot of build up for Pacers Nicks

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<v Speaker 4>because it was such an exciting rivalry way back in

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<v Speaker 4>the day, and I thought, Okay, that's great, same uniforms,

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<v Speaker 4>but none of the players ended up being one of

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<v Speaker 4>the best playoff games I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in a lot of guts to come back from

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen late in the game in front of.

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<v Speaker 2>That Madison Square Garden crowd, but they came back in one.

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<v Speaker 1>So look at this kind of a funny notion that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a great rivalry thirty years ago, therefore we

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<v Speaker 1>should be excited. And literally, that's not the same uniforms.

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<v Speaker 1>They've probably changed them. But yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's fun, it's fun. Life. Life is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy you know, the things you enjoy. If it's fun,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the things you enjoy. Joe gives you permission to

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<v Speaker 1>go out this Memorial Day weekend. Enjoys talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy shut up, put money. I was talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine last night whose daughter is really into Buddhism,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has taught him that life is suffering and

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<v Speaker 1>and and part of the suffering is we reject change.

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<v Speaker 1>We want stasis, but it'll never we will never get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so enjoy the love, you know, enjoy the joy

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<v Speaker 1>when you can enjoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Man, when I'm in that mindset, it really works.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my favorite prayers from Saint Teresa of Avila, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's very short by one of the lines is everything

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<v Speaker 4>is changing, and that is you know, you can use

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<v Speaker 4>it on both sides when things are not working out. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not gonna last, never has in the past,

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<v Speaker 4>and a good thing to remember when things are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>going well, this isn't gonna last either, so enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's last, This too shall pass.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything is constantly changing, and it's all finding the balance though.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the that's the hard part of life, or at

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<v Speaker 4>least for me, it is the balance on everything. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I watched way too much sports when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 4>way too much. I would I could have those probably.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's years that's too sad to contemplate,

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<v Speaker 4>but certainly months of my life watching regular season NFL

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<v Speaker 4>games or whatever. I wish I could have that time back.

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<v Speaker 4>On the other hand, watching zero sports pretty much since

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<v Speaker 4>I started raising kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch an NBA game here.

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<v Speaker 4>And there, and I have a really good time for

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<v Speaker 4>a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Hours, Like I'm really happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would I want to deny myself that even if

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<v Speaker 4>it is frivolous useless, has no more meaning. I enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 4>so I don't know. For in charging the batteries, that's

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<v Speaker 4>the meaning. Oh, speaking of batteries, here's my one. I

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<v Speaker 4>got so angry at Tesla yesterday and I still.

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<v Speaker 2>Haven't figured it out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll have to google it today. So I go to

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<v Speaker 4>get in my car. There was a software update. That's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the cool things about Tesla is the new

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<v Speaker 4>model just came out overnight and it got downloaded into

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<v Speaker 4>your car and you come out and the tech is

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<v Speaker 4>different because they came up with a better way to

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<v Speaker 4>do things.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that happened on Monday. I got in my car

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, now the blind spot cameras show

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<v Speaker 2>up here to see. Oh, that's cool. They just changed it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it is. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>But yesterday I get in my car and I gotta

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<v Speaker 4>go pick up my son from school. So I go

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<v Speaker 4>get in my car. I gotta leave right now to

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<v Speaker 4>make it on time, and you can't put it in

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<v Speaker 4>drive and it says welcome to the new blah blah

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<v Speaker 4>blah something or other.

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<v Speaker 2>Download upload the up update the app.

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<v Speaker 4>You gotta be kidding, and it gives me one of

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<v Speaker 4>those whatever you call those things that you have to

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<v Speaker 4>take a picture of to take you to a website.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, QR code, Yeah, gives me a QR code on

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<v Speaker 2>my screen.

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<v Speaker 4>When I get in my car, I do the QR code.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes me at a website, then asks me for

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<v Speaker 4>information that I don't have handy, and I just say

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<v Speaker 4>screw it and go get my other vehicle where I

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<v Speaker 4>put a key in the ignition and drive off anytime

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<v Speaker 4>I freaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to age. Man, Oh, that made me so mad.

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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna leave me stranded here because you updated the

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<v Speaker 4>software and improved my life somehow. Af you elon, what

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<v Speaker 4>if your kid is bleeding and you're trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>to the hospital or like a true emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>That made me so mad, And I haven't figured it

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<v Speaker 2>out yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I can, but you shouldn't need to go

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<v Speaker 4>through any hoops to get in your car and drive off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was furious much more to come stay with us,

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You think of Hunter Biden.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's certainly a lot of people in this town,

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats and Republicans.

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<v Speaker 2>That do not think a lot of him.

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<v Speaker 7>There is a certain kind of like cruelty to the

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<v Speaker 7>campaign against him.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is Hunter? Where is Hunter? Where is Hunter?

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<v Speaker 7>The right wing is going crazy with all sorts of

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<v Speaker 7>allegations about Biden and his family, too disgusting to even

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<v Speaker 7>repeat here. I mean, some of the ones I've seen

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<v Speaker 7>from the President's son and the president some of the

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<v Speaker 7>President's supporters are just wildly unhinged. I think that you

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<v Speaker 7>came here and leveled a bunch of accusations and allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>About it about Hunter Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just said the facts.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's a little montage of Jake Tapper back in

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<v Speaker 4>the day attacking anybody who went after Hunter Biden for anything. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>his book has got all kinds of background stuff about

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<v Speaker 4>what a scumbag Hunter was, which he knew at the time. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought this was interesting. This is a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of more things on the whole. Biden declined cover up

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<v Speaker 4>Jake Tapper book all that it's a giant scandal or.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the biggest scandals in American political history, the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest media failure in American history easily, I think. But

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<v Speaker 4>so Tom Bevin, a real Clear Politics wrote another nauseating

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<v Speaker 4>fact about the Tapper Thompson book. They've gotten more media

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<v Speaker 4>in two days than most authors get in a lifetime,

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<v Speaker 4>all of it from liberal media.

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<v Speaker 2>Except for Megan Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>None of these outlets would have given a minute to

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<v Speaker 4>conservatives if they had written the same book.

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<v Speaker 2>Case in point, how.

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<v Speaker 4>Many legacy outlets and networks and late night shows and

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<v Speaker 4>podcasts had Miranda Divine of The New York Post, on

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<v Speaker 4>who wrote her book Laptop from Hell, that every bit

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<v Speaker 4>of it was true about Hunter Biden's laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and this is after it.

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<v Speaker 4>Got proved, prove the cover up that the laptop was true.

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<v Speaker 4>This wasn't at the time even though it was true.

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<v Speaker 4>This was after even the Washington Post was saying everything

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<v Speaker 4>in there was accurate and the FBI and all that

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<v Speaker 4>she wrote a book.

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<v Speaker 2>Called Laptop from Hell.

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<v Speaker 4>Didn't get to go on any of these shows or

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<v Speaker 4>podcasts zero And then she responded to those tweets saying,

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<v Speaker 4>this is true.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not. Nobody asked me to come on any

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<v Speaker 2>of those shows.

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<v Speaker 4>I got zero appearances on any shows, No New York

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<v Speaker 4>Times bestseller list either.

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<v Speaker 2>She said.

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<v Speaker 4>The book did launch it number one on Amazon and

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<v Speaker 4>still sells its little socks off, which is exactly the

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<v Speaker 4>same as the everybody in America. Two thirds of Americans

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<v Speaker 4>knew Biden was too old, but the media didn't cover it.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of America understand the laptop story and and.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually bought it.

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<v Speaker 4>See the New York Times bestseller List is a compilation

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<v Speaker 4>of sales and reviews and opinions of what they think

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<v Speaker 4>are important books. Amazon is just flat out sales. So

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<v Speaker 4>she was number one on Amazon because actual, real people thought, well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's an interesting story that I would like to read about.

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times didn't think it was worthwhile, not even

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<v Speaker 2>worth mentioning. Yeah, and anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give you this quote again. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how Giana scandal, the Joe Biden stuff was Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the cabinet secretaries from the Taper

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<v Speaker 1>Thompson book. I've never seen a situation like this before,

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<v Speaker 1>with so few people having so much power, they would

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<v Speaker 1>make huge economic decisions without calling the Treasury secretary.

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<v Speaker 2>Bah bah bah.

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<v Speaker 1>The evidence is mounting that these aids didn't just hide

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<v Speaker 1>Biden from the public, they hid information from Biden, including

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of how.

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<v Speaker 2>Many elected Democrats wanted him out.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had that small cabal of advisors shielding Biden

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<v Speaker 1>from the world and shielding the world from Biden and

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<v Speaker 1>making all the decisions.

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<v Speaker 4>That is amazing, Yeah, Tappa writes, and I'm only she's

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty percent. Through the book, Tappa writes about how

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<v Speaker 4>that inner circle had become more about protecting the Biden

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<v Speaker 4>family myth than protecting the country, democrats or anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just about protecting the Biden family and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what their job was on a day by day basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this reminds me this is another one of those

0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.520
<v Speaker 1>situations where there is one response slash excuse that I

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<v Speaker 1>would have to accept. I just wish somebody had the

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<v Speaker 1>guts to offer it up honestly, and that would be Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're suggesting would have brought Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>To the Oval office, and we.

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<v Speaker 4>Thought that was too terrible, right, which might actually be

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<v Speaker 4>the reason, although I think it's more likely that it's

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<v Speaker 4>we really really liked our power.

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<v Speaker 2>We had enormous power, and we grew to like it.

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<v Speaker 4>You combine the two, right, you have the one you got,

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<v Speaker 4>the Kamala Harris excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>We've all done this in our lives. You've got a way.

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<v Speaker 4>To excuse what you want to do that might not

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<v Speaker 4>be self indulgence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Tapra was

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<v Speaker 4>on Morning Joe yesterday. I didn't actually watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I should.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a clip that we didn't play. Tapa was

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<v Speaker 4>on Morning Joe explaining that Biden had targeted, had made

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<v Speaker 4>a targeted effort to convince Scarborough he was fit for office.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 4>These cable news shows have no ratings, but particularly Morning

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<v Speaker 4>Joe on MSNBC is hugely important to Democrats. They actually

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<v Speaker 4>get up in the morning and watch that. The Obama

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.120
<v Speaker 4>people did, and the Biden people do, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>Trump does to a certain extent. But so they have

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<v Speaker 4>an oversized influence on these White houses. And Biden went

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<v Speaker 4>out of his way to make sure Scarborough believed he

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<v Speaker 4>was he was okay. Scarborough talking about on Halprin's show

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<v Speaker 4>about how he sat with Biden for three hours and

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 4>he was sharp at least at that moment, which is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, still ridiculous.

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>You saw him all the other moments on television.

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<v Speaker 4>As as Mark Halprin says, you don't even need to

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<v Speaker 4>have a cable you not only do you not need

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<v Speaker 4>to have a source within the White House. You don't

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 4>even need to have cable because it was on se SPAN.

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 4>If you just watch se Span every day, you could

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<v Speaker 4>see that Joe Biden was unfit for office.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I have one more nugget, Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>So Ezra Kline, columnist for the New York Times, who

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<v Speaker 4>often makes me insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I disagree with him so much.

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 4>He did write a piece way back saying that Biden

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<v Speaker 4>should not be the nominee and he wasn't fit.

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<v Speaker 2>And they need to move on. And he got killed

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<v Speaker 2>by the left for it.

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 4>It was a pretty gutsy thing for him to do,

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.679
<v Speaker 4>a pretty honest thing for him to do, and he

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 4>got killed for it. And he did an interview with

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 4>Jake Tapper yesterday that I have not watched yet because

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 4>it just came out y the afternoon, but he writes

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<v Speaker 4>this in his column.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is a point here.

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<v Speaker 4>Before Biden's announcement, I spoke to Tapper about the book

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<v Speaker 4>and about the ways in which I think that a

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 4>cover up would be an almost more comforting explanation for

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 4>the group think and denial that characterized Democrats in this period.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 4>There's a question in here that is relevant beyond just Biden.

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 4>How do you see what is right in front of

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<v Speaker 4>your eyes when you very much don't want to see it?

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 4>So as reclient getting to what since the essence of this,

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 4>which we've been talking about for a while, that's the story.

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 4>Can human beings want something to be true so much

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<v Speaker 4>that you're just blind to what's right in front of

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 4>your face now? Orwell wrote about it eighty years ago.

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a lot of what.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Was going on here.

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Some of it was just cold calculated you have no spine,

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 4>you don't care about your country lying.

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a lot of it.

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 4>You didn't want that to be true so much you

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<v Speaker 4>convinced yourself that it was a stutter, or that evil

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Trump was exaggerating him and his crowd were exaggerating how

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 4>bad it was. I think, yeah, I find myself thinking

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<v Speaker 4>about Jake tapperan and owned up to that, though I

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 4>wish he would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm thinking about how different people have different needs,

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:34.359
<v Speaker 1>speaking of rationalizing things for belonging and different levels of skepticism.

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about my three kids, how they're very different

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<v Speaker 1>from each other. I just need to accept or try

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that there are people whose capacity for self delusion,

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<v Speaker 1>their inability to see what they don't want to see,

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>or their ability to kind of squash it and push

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<v Speaker 1>it back so they get the acceptance of the peers

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>that they really want their acceptance. It's way, way beyond mine.

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I would be sick the whole time. I think, I'm

0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>sure there are things I don't recognize, but it's got

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>to exist on a continuum. I mean, you look at

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a really impressionable, alienated, whatever, nineteen year old college girl.

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>If she gets social reinforcement, she will say anything, She

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>will chant anything at Columbia, she'll throw on the kafia

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and and and believe the most.

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, like the whole the whole world.

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.959
<v Speaker 1>Is divided into victims and our oppressors, and victims can

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<v Speaker 1>do no wrong and opressures can do no right.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said before, if my dog.

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 1>Espoused a philosophy that's stupid, I'd hit them with a

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 1>rolled up newspaper.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 4>You have a talking dog, and you're hitting it with

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 4>the newspaper really sitting on You're sitting on a gold mine.

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 4>So your thing is it'd be cool to have a

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 4>talking dog. But if I disagree with it it ain't

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 4>worth well, no, no, not if it annoys me.

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 2>No politics.

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>So you can get otherwise intelligent young particularly although I

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>look at some of the long haired hippie boomer jackasses

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 1>at various marches and wonder about youth.

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.919
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, you can get people.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>To say inane, stupid things if you reinforce it socially.

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>You can convince a boy that he's a girl if

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>people pat him on the back and say good for you.

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 1>And we people like us, just have to accept that

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>there are some people who's whose ability to delude themselves

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>is way beyond what we can imagine.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do about it except yell

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>at him.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to be just human nature.

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 4>And I assume, like everything else in human nature, it's

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 4>a continuum and it varies from person in person, But

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 4>it seems to be human nature that we can delude ourselves.

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>If we want something to be true.

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Here's my here's a great example that I always that

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 4>I think about a lot. And I know I've said

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 4>this before, but it's it's worth hearing if you haven't

0:28:58.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 4>heard it.

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>So David Frand.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 4>She's currently a columnist for The New York Times used

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 4>to be at the Dispatch. He is a conservative. He

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 4>went to Harvard Law blah blah blah.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Very smart guy. We've had him on the air before.

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 4>I heard him talking about one time he said, I,

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 4>like a lot of lawyers when we when you know,

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 4>when we're going to law school and we we're going

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 4>to go out into the world of law, wonder about

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 4>how am I going to defend somebody that's done something horrible?

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Even though I understand the whole.

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Justice system and everybody gets a defense and it strengthens

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 4>our system, how do you defend somebody who's done He said,

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.959
<v Speaker 4>It has never been an issue once because you always

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 4>find a way to justify defending the person you just do.

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's an example of it. You could

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 4>find the way to believe them no, but you find

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 4>one aspect of it that you can hang on to

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 4>that can help you justify defend you.

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's never a conundrum for your conscience.

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 4>And I'll bet that it's the same thing with the

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 4>whole Biden thing, or lots of things in people's lives,

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 4>but the whole Biden thing, you just needed a nugget

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 4>or two, whether it's Kamala or how much you hate

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Trump or something that you could justify it and your

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>and your conscience wouldn't bother you.

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I can hear it unfolding. You rewrite it, and then

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>you justify it. You say, yeah, Biden slowed down a step,

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>but Trump is the new Hitler. So I'm not going

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to spend my time worrying about that. And so you

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>rewrite it into a form that is acceptable and.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>You move on.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, Yeah, well, you know, we got to call

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>people out on it.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Understanding is not the same as condoning.

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 4>No, and Jake Tapper does, and and and until Jake

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 4>Tapper finally does an interviewer, he says, I had deluded myself.

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 4>I've gone back and looked at this Biden stuff, and

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 4>now you know, it's just I can't I can't believe.

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm horrified at the things I said on the air.

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't see it, and that horrifies me. Yeah,

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that would be worth saying.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>He hasn't come close to that yet.

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 4>No, and again, so he said on Megan Kelly the

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 4>other day, he said the conservatives were right, the liberals

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 4>were wrong.

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 2>You didn't say that in your book.

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 4>You've come to that conclusion in the last two weeks,

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 4>when your pr thing it's gone nuts, when people keep

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 4>you tucking you. You thought you would be hailed as

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 4>a truth teller and you're being mocked as a hypocrite

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 4>and a dope.

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 2>That is absolutely right. God, I hope we get an

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>interview with him. I can't wait. I can't wait.

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go full Tanya Harding for those of you

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 4>who've been listening long and.

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, she canceled the rest of her tour.

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>All right, stick around. I got a question for fancy

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Joe Getty.

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>So that is a moniker I've never heard used to

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>describe me before.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've recently, I feel like I've gotten into espresso,

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 4>which until I was forty five years old I pronounced

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 4>with an ex experts lord.

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<v Speaker 1>Room.

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I knew what it was anyway. I

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>just do like.

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 4>A capsule sort of thing, you know, when you're cheeryg

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 4>or an espresso or whatever.

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Nothing super fancy. Do you do you do fancy?

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 4>Do you like got a machine that like grinds beans

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 4>and makes your own this and that and heats up milk,

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 4>And do you have one of those is a fancy person.

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I've gone like halfway down that road in the past,

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>but I just I don't want to spend the time.

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing. That's what I was wondering, is the time,

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 4>because I kind of like.

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>MEI coffee is wonderful, fresh ground coffee is just fabulous.

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 4>But I kind of like the idea since I don't

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 4>drink so I can't do you know, different kinds of

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 4>beers or whiskeys or scotches or.

0:32:58.400 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Wine or anything like that.

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Maybe you know, becoming an espresso freak wray, you know,

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 4>buy some good stuff and grind them whatever.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>But if it takes a lot of time, I just

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 2>know I'll never do it.

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Somebody sent me a link the other day to this

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 4>like thousand dollars william Snoma espresso machine thingy, and I

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 4>started fantasizing about that and how cool that would be intervented.

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 2>But if it's gonna take fifteen.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 4>Minutes of cleaning after every time having an espresso shot

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 4>or setting it up or whatever, I just know I'll

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 4>never use it.

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 1>One of the few advantages to getting a little older

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 1>is I'm more realistic about will I use this? Will

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I be willing to, as you point out, clean it

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it.

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 2>And I've decided, nah, not for now.

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, I could see some day when and if

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I ever retire doing that, because I'll have a little

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>more time.

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 2>But no, I haven't bothered.

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really really gym equipment. Like would just I think,

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 4>sit there on the counter and mock me daily.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Remember what you spent on me? When's the last time

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 2>you use it?

0:33:59.120 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a semi fancy I mean just it's

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of just one step beyond the very basic an

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>espresso machine and the pods are considerably more expensive than

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>a Kurg for instance.

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's really really Oh, you gotta tell me what

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that is? What is that? What is secret?

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you use it?

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 4>No, it's then espresso machine and an espresso pods. Oh,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 4>it's it's one step beyond the currig?

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Is what you use it?

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I see, it's one step beyond the very basic espresso.

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's not not by much. I can't do

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it froth anything. I might go to the very end

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 1>of it.

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 4>I might hire a Colombian who lives in my house

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 4>and like he stomps the beans with his bare feet

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 4>every morning.

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Grow.

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, he brings the beans into my kitchen on

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 4>a burrow then puts them up in the thing.

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm gonna do. Yeah, yeah, you know what.

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>You love coffee, and the coffee's wonderful when you do that.

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>But you gotta make it one.

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Of those cats that craps it out on my counter

0:34:59.200 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 4>and then you put it in.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, none, that's a commitment. What do you

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.240
<v Speaker 1>got to feed those things? Well, you feed them coffee

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>means I think right. Anyway, you put it's crap in

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>your coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you famously never read directions. I would go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and read those directions. How Jack die well? Civet cat fever?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>So coming up next hour, it's going to be a blockbuster.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be our Tony or Amy or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they give out in radio. Not only do we

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<v Speaker 1>have a really good, interesting, and very funny campus madness update,

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<v Speaker 1>but following up on the Jake Tapper discussion and our

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<v Speaker 1>abilities to delude ourselves, do you know what mimetic thinking is.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just learned about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Humans are intensely social animals, and we care even if

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<v Speaker 1>we deny it about our status are standing with others,

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<v Speaker 1>and the things we do or don't do, or say

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<v Speaker 1>or don't say, or believe or don't believe can be

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<v Speaker 1>heavily influenced by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure it's part of an evolutionary survival mechanism that

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<v Speaker 4>we need to have Afterbible as a beast. But like

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<v Speaker 4>everything else I was talking about earlier, it's about moderation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. It's a question of balance.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned if you can't grab it ya podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong You Getty on demand Strong and Getty