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Speaker 1: First of all, this tiny baby girl left to die

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Speaker 1: Jane Doe, an unidentified little coffin until in the last days,

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Speaker 1: literally a miracle. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me and all

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Speaker 1: Star panel. Let off by Major Wendell Rayburn, Cataline, THEEO

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Speaker 1: Comprehensive Victim Interventions Specialist at Louisiana sixteenth Judicial District Attorney's Office,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Appoint genetic genealogist, the gene hunter, doctor Ryan Fuller,

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Speaker 1: and boy do we need a shrink? Doctor? Michelle Dupree,

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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner out of South Carolina, author of homicide

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Speaker 1: Investigation field Guide, and renowned defense lawyer. Former prosecutor out

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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl Cohen with me right now,

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with KA d N News fifteen. Leah McNeil,

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Speaker 1: if congratulations are in order at a moment like this

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Speaker 1: reporter joining us from kad In News fifteen, Leah McNeill.

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Speaker 1: Leah described to me how this little baby was found

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Speaker 1: Charyl the point, how did it happen? How has the

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Speaker 1: photo baby Jane Doe buried in the Iberia Parish after

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Speaker 1: being found dead in a trash can, and it's a

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Speaker 1: black and white photo, and there is a whole trail

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Speaker 1: of people following along. There's two police on either side

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Speaker 1: of her little white casket with flowers on top, and

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Speaker 1: it looks like maybe a detective carrying it, and all

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Speaker 1: of these people following along behind. None of them knew

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Speaker 1: the baby, none of them knew the mother, but they

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Speaker 1: were all so attached to this baby and what the

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Speaker 1: baby had been through. The little girl had no family

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Speaker 1: to mourn her death, and the Sheriff's department and the

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Speaker 1: people of Janerette took this child's death to heart and

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Speaker 1: they all came and walked a great distance, carrying her

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Speaker 1: a little coffin to its burial place. Leah mc neill,

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Speaker 1: I'm just Leah mc neill joining me with kad in

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Speaker 1: News fifteen. Leah, I'm very curious about Sonya Charles and

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Speaker 1: the rest of her children and how you just go

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Speaker 1: back into your regular life, how you walk away from

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Speaker 1: that metal drum and just step away from a car,

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Speaker 1: washing into your regular life like nothing ever happened. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what do we know about Earliah Men at this time?

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Speaker 1: All we know that, you know, through the DNA evidence

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Speaker 1: that she is the mother, and like other reports have said,

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Speaker 1: you know that she does have other kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: at this time, because we were not able to track

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Speaker 1: those children down, but I mean we would, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we would all hope that maybe they came later on,

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Speaker 1: and they hopefully they didn't come, you know, before this child,

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Speaker 1: because I can't, you know, I can't even sad them

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Speaker 1: how you could just go on with your daily life

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Speaker 1: after just doing something like this. I just this whole case.

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Speaker 1: I'm not dumb looking into this case because it's just

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Speaker 1: there's still so many unanswered questions, so many things that

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Speaker 1: you know, we all we just want to know how, like,

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Speaker 1: how this happened? Why do you happened? Somebody had to

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Speaker 1: have seen, somebody had to have known that she's pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the great girdle she

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Speaker 1: had on, but most people I know that are pregnant.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not easy to hide a pregnancy like that,

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Speaker 1: and to think every day she went about her business.

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Speaker 1: Kathleene wondering, am I going to be caught with this

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Speaker 1: hanging over her head? I guess it bothered her. Kathleen

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Speaker 1: Terria Therio. I would. I would hope it did bother her.

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Speaker 1: I really do, because no mother should do that to

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Speaker 1: their own child. Major Wendell Rayburn with me with the

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Speaker 1: Iberia Parish Sheriff's Office. Major Rayburn, did she give any

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Speaker 1: statement whatsoever? Do we know anything more about the mother's

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Speaker 1: background or her family? Well, certainly I can't get into

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Speaker 1: the specifics of the statement she gave other than one word,

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Speaker 1: it's denial, and that's about all we got from her

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Speaker 1: said specifics. I can't I can't get into that her family,

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Speaker 1: her current family. Basically, what we've seen and been told

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Speaker 1: is disbelief and they pretty much attacked us, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we just framing her for this. The keyboard bullies of

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Speaker 1: social media have come out, but you know, we'll stick

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Speaker 1: by the evidence. The evidence is really solid and we're

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent confident that we had the mother of

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Speaker 1: baby Jane Doe and it's time for her to be accountable.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard that phrase keyboard bullies. I'm completely stealing it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna act like it's my idea, Major Wyndell Rayburn.

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Speaker 1: So right now, the whole from what you've learned, the family,

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Speaker 1: her family is in disbelief and saying it's a frame up.

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Speaker 1: You know what, if somebody came in and arrested my

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Speaker 1: mother and said she had done this, I would fight

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Speaker 1: them like a wild animal. I would not believe it.

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Speaker 1: I would fight them tooth and claw. I would deny it,

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Speaker 1: deny it, deny it because it would be so hard

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Speaker 1: for me to believe it and accept it. So, you

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Speaker 1: know what, Major Rayburn, I don't really fault her other

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Speaker 1: children or her family for thinking my mother would never

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Speaker 1: You know what, people be very surprised at what their

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Speaker 1: mothers would and have done in the past, But you

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Speaker 1: know how much you love your mother typically and look

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Speaker 1: up to your mother, and that's who loves you the most.

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Speaker 1: And it's such a dichotomy for me to imagine Major

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Speaker 1: Rayburn that she's a loving mother to the other children

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Speaker 1: and left this baby to die. And when I think

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Speaker 1: about it, did you? I'm sure you do know? Major Rayburn.

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Speaker 1: Over two hundred Iberia Parish locals gathered to lay her

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Speaker 1: to rest. They even donated a christening gown and a

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Speaker 1: bonnet for the little baby to be buried in. As

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Speaker 1: one residence stated to the Daily Advertise, are way back

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Speaker 1: in ninety four, this baby was born into this world unwanted,

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Speaker 1: but today she has a family. And the police really

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Speaker 1: took this case to heart and took it very personally.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Major Rape Absolutely, the chief until his

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Speaker 1: death was determined that he wanted to solve this case.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately he did not live long. And see a close

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Speaker 1: our cold case detective was the original detective that was

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Speaker 1: assigned to help generate police department. I mean he has

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Speaker 1: reached a point that he's so satisfied now that you know,

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Speaker 1: he feels that, you know, it's time for him to

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Speaker 1: move on to another case. But we're not finished. For

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Speaker 1: this case. We still have further to go, you know,

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Speaker 1: the justice. Justice has to be finished, and it's up

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Speaker 1: to the courts, up to the DA's office from here

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Speaker 1: on out, and we'll provide whatever we can to make

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Speaker 1: sure that a conviction has made. You know, the police

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Speaker 1: Chief Carrie Davis, at the time, he was the acting,

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Speaker 1: he was just acting and he really got blindsided when

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Speaker 1: this fell in his lap. The acting police Chief, Carrie Davis,

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Speaker 1: this just breaks my heart. Had officers with Generrette PD

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Speaker 1: Service paul bearers to take the little three foot casket

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Speaker 1: to its resting place, and inside the casket, a raggedy

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Speaker 1: ann doll was laid by baby Jane Doe because Chief

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Speaker 1: Carrie Davis did not want the baby to be buried alone.

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Speaker 1: Lea McNeil, reporter kad In News fifteen. What happens now, Well,

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Speaker 1: we are going to continue to follow this story all

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Speaker 1: the way through. Myself and the rest of my fellow

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Speaker 1: coworkers are completely attached his skis just as everyone else is.

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Speaker 1: Um she will mess up. Son, Charles will have to

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Speaker 1: you know, go to court getting the raiment and hopefully,

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Speaker 1: you know, be convicted, and we will continue to follow

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Speaker 1: this all the way through. Guys, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being with me. Sharon Major Rayburn, Kathleen Leah who

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Speaker 1: have worked on this case so hard and for so long,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ryan Fuller, doctor Michelle Dupree, and Darryl Cohen. We

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Speaker 1: wait as justice sun falls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,