1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's give a big shout out to 4 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: our super producer, mister Max Williams. Oh oh, did you 5 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: hear that howl over there in the distance? Who's that? 6 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: It's young mister Noel Brown. 7 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: Who's that boy? 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Men? Brown and I am going by Ben Bollen. Recently 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: we are. 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: In this stunning turn of events, this stunning turn of. 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: A riotous plot twist, and we are midway through im 12 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: media arrests on our continuing exploration of United States presidents 13 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: who did a lot after they got the big job. Right. 14 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: So we talked a lot about Carter. You might know him. 15 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: He used to mess with the peanut industry guy named 16 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy out from Georgia, and we wished him a happy birthday. 17 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: But Noel, we wanted to dive further into the presidential past. 18 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: So folks who like weird presidential history, this one's for you. 19 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about John Quincy Adams. And yeah, and I'm 20 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: sorry I was whispering off Mike as we were recording. 21 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't think Quincy's the best name. It doesn't have 22 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: a mouth feel that I love. How do you feel 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: about the fruit? The humble quints? It's great. I just 24 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: don't think about the name while i'm eating. 25 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: It, fair enough, I don't even what is a quince? 26 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: Is it like a raisin? 27 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 3: If you guys want to get really mad, just remember 28 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: that John Quincy Adams, the son of John Adams, had 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: a son and named his son John Adams the Second. 30 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's like a Gabriel Garcia Marquez novel 31 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: or something. Everybody's got the same friggin names. 32 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: But also, the Adams family was really into interbreeding. 33 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that is diplomatically put and also true. 34 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: As well as the Adams family of television fiction fame. 35 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: They also you know, reading now you said your inbreeding. Sorry, 36 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: that's the diplomacy part, kay kay, because cousin cousin kissing wasn't. 37 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: As bad back then. 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: Cousin it Yeah, I remember, I remember the character. 39 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Also, Gomez and Mortitia had a really supportive relationship. They 40 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: really loved each other. 41 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: True. 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a little PDA, but you know, 43 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: came from a little little PDA, little tam, you know, 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: all the hits. 45 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: So today we're talking about JQA John Quincy Adams, who 46 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: already quoted him, so let's noted him and talk about him. 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: That is, there are three presidents who ran for other 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: federal positions federal offices, I eat not the president after 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: being president, and then one those later posts. There's Andrew Johnson, 50 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: who was removed from office by his own party, ran 51 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: as a third party candidate for the US House in 52 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: seventeen eighty two, lost, then ran for usn Aate in 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: eighteen seventy four and one, and then died. 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: You have the aforementioned terrible job Tyler. What did he do? Oh, 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: he got removed from office by his own party because 56 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: of the worst trading. He ran for the Confederate State Congress, 57 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: he won, and then he, like Johnson, also died. This 58 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: is a very popular trend in the human species. That 59 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: seems so. Yeah, And so, as of now, Tyler is 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: the only US president to have won a political position 61 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: in a different country technically because of the Confederacy. But 62 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: then John Quincy Adams had the arguably the most successful 63 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: post presidential political career. Let's learn more about Adams. He's 64 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: born on July eleventh, seventeen sixty seven. He is definitely 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: a product of nepotism. He is the eldest son of 66 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: John Adams, so he's the son of the second US president. 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: And he is definitely when we said Jimmy Carter was 68 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: like a regular dude, this guy is definitely a patrician. 69 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: He's definitely landed, gentry, aristocracy. He covid man. Yeah, but 70 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: it was way easier to graduate from Harvard back in 71 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: seventeen eighty seven. You just had to be a white landowner, 72 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: which she had going for him for sure. 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: He apprenticed in law with some highly influential and renowned 74 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: attorneys while traveling across Europe with his father, who was 75 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: a diplomat. He later became a diplomat as well. JQA 76 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: would go on to first enter the world of politics 77 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: in eighteen o three, being elected as the US Senator 78 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: for Massachusetts in that same year, where he served just 79 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: a single term. 80 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, And in eighteen seventeen he becomes the Secretary 81 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: of State under then President James Monroe. And secretary of 82 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: State still has this kind of shiny connotation to it. 83 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: If you are in the back rooms of the two 84 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: dominant political parties in the United States, now then you 85 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: will often be offered the position of secretary of State 86 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: as sort of a door prize slash setup for a 87 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: future candidacy if you agree to back somebody else. We 88 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: see this again in things like the Clinton dynasty. Right, 89 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: We see this in a lot of these things. And 90 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: America still make no mistake, is in aristocracy and all but. 91 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: Name Jefferson, Madison, right, all big names that went on 92 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: to become president who did hold that position. 93 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: And so it turns out that this promise was made 94 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: good in eighteen twenty four when Quincy jeez, just to 95 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: we'll call them Adams. When Adams, when's the election in 96 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: eighteen twenty four, he becomes president. There's not a lot 97 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: of agreement. It was not a unanimous decision. There were 98 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: accusations of corruption, and those accusations of corruption and followed 99 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: that administration like a shadow for all its days. We 100 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: have a quote about this from our friends of Britannica. 101 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: His presidency, during which the country prosper, was in most 102 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: respects a political failure because of the virulent opposition of 103 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: the Jacksonians. 104 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: Supporters of Andrew Jackson, who for the record, should have 105 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: won that election. 106 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: That's true, despite you know that guy sucking. He favored, 107 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: among other forward looking proposals, creating a national university and 108 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: a national Astronomical Observatory. Yeah, that's cool down for that check. 109 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: He wished the Western territories to be held in trust 110 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: by the federal government and developed only gradually, and he okay, 111 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: I don't know about that one. He proposed a vast 112 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: expansion of the country's roads with federal aid boom. However, 113 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: Congress turned a generally deaf ear just the one ear 114 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: to his initiatives. In eighteen twenty eight, Jackson was elected 115 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: president over Adams with one hundred and seventy eight electoral 116 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: votes to Adams the eighty three electoral college. 117 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, you're right. They were kind of waiting for Jackson, 118 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: and the Jacksonians had a lot of what the Wire 119 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: would call suction at that time. So, all right, so 120 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: the guy gets to be president once. It's a crazy ride, 121 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: it's a long line. He makes it, and he is 122 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: for the time pretty elderly. When he retires or when 123 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: he loses potus, he is sixty two years old, and 124 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: at first he's thinking, I'm gonna fade out of public life. 125 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: You know what, I mean, I did my bit. I 126 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: had great ideas. Not all of them worked, and I'm 127 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: mad at Congress. We'll go back to Britannica where they 128 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: say Adams retired to private life in eighteen twenty nine 129 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: in the Massachusetts town of Quincy Quincy. It is the 130 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: wait a minute, is this is a quinc Is this 131 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,239 Speaker 1: a quincyncedence? 132 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: It has to be, I mean, being a Massachusetts town, 133 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: it was probably what like sixteen hundred, seventeen hundreds. 134 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: This has been pre. 135 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: Maybe they're named after something else. 136 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Massachusetts loves terrible names. 137 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: Well, hello, we have a after facts with the Max 138 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: with the facts. We'll workshop it later on. 139 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: But turns out that Quincy got its name in seventeen 140 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 4: ninety two when it was named after the Colonel John Quincy. 141 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: John Quincy was the maternal grandfather of Abigail Adams, who was, 142 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: of course the mother of John Quincy Adams, and the 143 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: reports are Quincy Adams. John Quincy Adams probably should specify 144 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: here was named after the colonel John Quincy, and John 145 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: Quincy Adams was of course born prior to the town 146 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: having its name changed to Quincy. But yeah, yeah, play 147 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 4: the sun. 148 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: Qu Quincy is a little kind of coastal town in Massachusetts. 149 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: It's it's near Boston. I've actually been there. It's very 150 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: idyllic and very very small. Lots of bed and breakfasts 151 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: and sailboats and things like that. Yeah. 152 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 153 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: One of the dough Boys is from Quincy. He talks 154 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: about it a lot on them the dough Boys podcast. 155 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: And so this guy goes there, right, and he's like, 156 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm retired. I'm going to live in a town that, 157 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: in a burst of humility, also has the worst part 158 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: of my name as the name of the town. And 159 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: that's how he said it too. He also hated Quincy. 160 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: He's couldn't stay away. He just couldn't. 161 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: That's why he was there, and never say the name 162 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: of the town out loud to him, no eye contact 163 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: when he walks down main Street. He couldn't take the 164 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: private life. In eighteen thirty, he gets pulled back. Let's 165 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: picture this ridiculous history cinematic universe. Members of the anti 166 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Masonic movement, which you talked about in the past, they 167 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: come up to him and he's like one of those 168 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: old action movie he rose, I like, hey, Quincy, one 169 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: last job. 170 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: Right, And so what happens He went out for a 171 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: bid for the National House of Representatives, which he won, 172 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: and when it was kind of suggested to him that 173 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: his acceptance of this position would actually degrade a former president, 174 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I understand the logic behind that, but 175 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: let's see what Adams has to say. 176 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Step down. I think the way that people degrade a 177 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: former president, I see I sy it to be a 178 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: famous A list film actor. 179 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: You don't want to go into TV something that's yeah, 180 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: But that's not the case anymore. And it took people 181 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: blazing trails to change the perception of that. Kind of 182 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: shout out to Gary Oldman Slow Horses, what a kick 183 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: ass show. A new episode just dropped yesterday. I look 184 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 2: forward to watching it. He had this to say of 185 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: that sentiment that no person could be degraded by serving 186 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: the people as a representative in Congress or a selectman 187 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: of his town. 188 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Right, What a dumb thing to that. 189 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: Whoever said that we don't have a direct we don't 190 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: have we're not naming names. I don't even think we 191 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: have them. But I would argue that's a pretty bone 192 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: headed perspective. 193 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: Like you can't be degraded at all. Uh if you. 194 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: If you say that you care about public service, then 195 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: you should care about it in any possible capacity. 196 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't be president again. I mean, go on 197 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: and do some more good if if that's your bag. 198 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's actually about the public well being and 199 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: the public interest rather than about yourself, than any way 200 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: to help is a good way to help, you know 201 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. So I do agree with Quincy on 202 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: that when, like you were saying, he gets set up 203 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: in Congress House of Reps, he has a long career 204 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: in Congress, and he opposes the expansion of slavery. Later 205 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: scholars of John Quincy Adams will argue that he is 206 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: very much an abolitionist at heart. However, in his legislative 207 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: record you don't see a lot of that ideology coming 208 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: to paper. 209 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: And again, not being apologist for any of this stuff here, 210 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: but we do know that oftentimes concessions have to be 211 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: made in order to get things done at all, and 212 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: the heartfelt beliefs of whatever they may be, of certain 213 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: presidents don't always find their way to law because of 214 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: so much opposition and just the tide of the time. 215 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, And he introduced he introduced bills that are 216 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: still very important and part of American fabric today. Things 217 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: like the idea that if you are born in the US, 218 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: you are automatically a US citizen, and he fought against 219 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: slavery in that regard. He said, it doesn't matter if 220 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: your parents are enslaved, if you're born here, you are 221 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: a US citizen and should have the rights and responsibilities 222 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: outlined as a result, and then bills that tried to 223 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: block the addition of states with legalized human enslavement. These 224 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: resolutions were similar to Carter. There were great ideas, but 225 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: they neither of these were passed. And he did fight 226 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: for a lot of anti sl measures, but like we 227 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: were saying earlier, it didn't hit the paper right, it 228 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: didn't become policy. He also, this is interesting, he fought 229 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: there were these things called gag rules that said you 230 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:22,119 Speaker 1: couldn't even bring up the idea of ending human slavery. 231 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: How crazy is that? So he fought against those gag rules. 232 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: He was like, can we at least say maybe you 233 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't legalize the enslavement of human beings? Yeah? 234 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: I mean, isn't this supposed to be an open discourse 235 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: in government? Don't we have freedom of speech? It just 236 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: seems the idea of a gag order seems, a gag 237 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: law or whatever seems kind of patently, you know, an 238 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: American American. 239 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then oh, also shout out to the 240 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,359 Speaker 1: excellent film based on a true story, Amistad, and JQA 241 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: shows up to represent a group of people who were 242 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: enslaved on the Spanish slave ship Amistad. These folks, as 243 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: we all know, mute need fought the power, freed themselves. 244 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Spoilers and yeah, sure right. Also the Titanic sinks whatever man, 245 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: and they really root and I think it's better to 246 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: rip the band aid off that one. And he argued 247 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: for the freedom of these people in front of the 248 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And speaking of spoilers, nol our boy Quincy 249 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: won the case. 250 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a few good men vibes. You 251 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: can't handle the truth, is what he said. No, he 252 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: didn't say that, but it's a big deal. Yes, that's cool. 253 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: I think this is These are positive things. Perhaps the 254 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: most dramatic event in Adam's life was his one could 255 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: argue untimely to minds on February twenty first, eighteen forty eight, 256 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: in the act of protesting an honorary grant of swords 257 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: by Congress to the generals who had won what Adams 258 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: considered the most unrighteous war with Mexico, which we should 259 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 2: also know here Max noted is another thing that he's 260 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: on the right side of history about he. 261 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: An American war was fed up. 262 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not not. Most wars are. 263 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: They are. 264 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: It's true, wars never war never changes. 265 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: But he unfortunately suffered a cerebral stroke, very publicly, fell 266 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: unconscious to the floor of the House and passed away 267 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: two days later in the Capitol building. His funeral service 268 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: and related events took place in Washington and in his 269 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: native Massachusetts kind of took on the character of a 270 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: national day of mourning. 271 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: He was more or less pretty beloved. 272 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: I would say it's probably similar to like when John 273 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: McCain passed away a number of years ago, where it's 274 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: just like everyone's like, we may not agree with his 275 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: political things, but everyone agreed that he was a good person. 276 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and they liked just like McCain, they 277 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: liked the idea that this guy would listen to people, 278 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And oh, McCain is maybe 279 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: a different episode, but we are moving on again. That's 280 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: another amazing post presidential career, but that one is still 281 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: involved in politics. We got another one where you can 282 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I get a beat drop Max Taire oh Man used 283 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: to be President William Auer daff He his time in 284 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: the White House was kind of brief. Uh, he was 285 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: a one term president. He had a kind of not 286 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: great guy coming in after him, which maybe makes him 287 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: look a little better in context because after Taft's one term, 288 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Woodrow Wilson comes in and sort of fails his way 289 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: upwards for two terms. 290 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, I am working on a Willdrow Wilson brief, 291 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: and I'm trying to go as middle of the road 292 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 3: as I podcast. 293 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Man, you've been working on that one for a while too. 294 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: The mom that's it. 295 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 4: I just kept put it down yet really angry. 296 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: Working on it. It's like when it's like when I 297 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: get to into the writers man, and I remember asking, guys, 298 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: what portion of these James Joyce letters can we read? 299 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: How much can we say about Oh, God, he loved forts, 300 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: he really did, So why do we learn more about Taft? 301 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: He is again, honestly, there's a little bit of nepotism 302 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: there because when he's born in eighteen fifty seven, he 303 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: is the son of a very distinguished judge named Alfonso Taft, 304 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: who also served in many other very high level political 305 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: roles Secretary of War, attorney General. It's just like, I'm 306 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm just saying he wasn't born in the gutter. 307 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: Ben You've made your position on the name Quincy very clear. 308 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: What is your take on the name Alfonso. 309 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm okay with Alfonso. What about you? I love it. 310 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: You like Alfonso. 311 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: I like it even when people people do the unnecessary 312 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: shortening and call the people alphons. 313 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: Oh, Alfons, like Alfie. Alfie's cool. 314 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess when I hear Alfi, I 315 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: either think of like, what's that, like that Dudley Moore 316 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: movie where he's like a spoiled rich kid kind of 317 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: I think it's called Alfi. Yeah, and then it was 318 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: remade with Jude Law. But also I just think of 319 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: alf You know, the space alien puppet, the eight Cats. 320 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: Those are the three facts we have from that sitcom. 321 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: And no, I've got another one for you. Yeah, And 322 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: I have. 323 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: A a packaged alf action figure somewhere around here. And 324 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: he had a he played saxophone in a nightclub under 325 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: a pseudonym which was gold on a second, I gotta 326 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: look like it's really funny. 327 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Alf Also, Alf's an acronym, right, alien life form. 328 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: That's right, let's see on earth. He goes by his 329 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: real name, Gordon. 330 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh, Gordon Shumway. 331 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: Gordon Shumway, thank you. That's right, that's that's what my 332 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: action figures. This is alf and then for this is Gordon. 333 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: And he's wearing a Hawaiian sure, and he came with 334 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: a little saxophone accessory, so sorry for that aside. 335 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: No, it is ridiculous history. This makes sense. 336 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: We're gonna come for the history, you stay for the asides. 337 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to some Adams family stuff at the 338 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: very end too, from part one. But uh thing, yeah, Wednesday, 339 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: Oh Pugsley, Oh oh, I got a question for you 340 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: at the end, all right. William Howard Taft, son of 341 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: Alfonso Taft, not associated with Gordon Shumway just yet until 342 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: just now. Uh. Taft graduates from Yale and he goes 343 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, Ohio, which was a big deal city at 344 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: the time, to study and practice law. Do you like that? 345 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: You like that little natty diss there? 346 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: Right? And then he found his way into the road 347 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: of politics and rose to the ranks through Republican judicial appointments. Again, 348 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: probably a little nepotism there, but it's okay. Through his 349 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: own kind of savvy and competence and just you know, 350 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: kind of being around. And as he once wrote to 351 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: prep Spit sarcastically, he always had his quote plate the 352 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: right side up when offices were falling, So I guess 353 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: meaning he was there to catch them on his plates. 354 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: He was just kind of around to pick up the 355 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: pieces just by being there. 356 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: Or like if the table is removed, the plate is 357 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: still in the right direction, so still holding the food 358 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: or the fairments. 359 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: I think in a lot of ways it's saying it 360 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: is like, yes, I've fallen into a lot of things, 361 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 3: but a big thing is I've always I make sure 362 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: that I'm always aware and present for when these things 363 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 3: come up, because a lot of times, you know, big 364 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: opportunities are just little Tony blips you have to grab 365 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: when they're there. 366 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this makes sense. It is a kind 367 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: of So the guy's a really good writer. We should 368 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: also point that out because he is not really He's 369 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: not really a politician. He's much more of a litigator. 370 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: He's a man of the law, right, And he is 371 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: one of those rare exceptions who doesn't originally dream of 372 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: being president. He doesn't necessarily want those mountain peaks with 373 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: those high and dangerous wins. He's okay being a federal 374 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: circuit judge, and he makes it pretty early, thirty four 375 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: years old. His big dream is to be a member 376 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court. Now, for everybody outside of the 377 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: United States, although this is a representative democracy, the ultimate 378 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: law of the land is nine people who are dressed 379 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: just like ring Braiths from Lord of the Rings, and 380 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: they are in office until they decide to quit. They 381 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: are not directly elected by the public, and their opinions 382 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: are ultimately the ones that count. Yeah, literal gospel. It's 383 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: pretty wild. Not a huge fan. 384 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: One of the biggest contributions a president can make, long lasting, 385 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: well beyond their tenure in the White House, is appointment 386 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: of these ring rings that you're talking about. 387 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: I know, you're right, then would want that instead of 388 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: the presidency. 389 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, And he also can't, you know, I mean, 390 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: obviously a lot of presidents have a background in law, 391 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: but he was really that was kind of his ultimate 392 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: goal there. 393 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and his rise in politics is a great note 394 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: here was not a result of the glad handing of elections. 395 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: It was more his acumen and his competence at various 396 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: political positions or legal position. And then President McKinley appointed 397 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: him as the Chief Civil Administrator to the Philippines, which 398 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: by the way, the US was doing a real number 399 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: on back in the day, and he was not like 400 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a Smedley Butler Hadi situation. Taft was 401 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: actually helping improve the infrastructure of the country. And then 402 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: he becomes Teddy Roosevelt's Secretary of War. Obviously, we did 403 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: some rebranding over the decades. We call it Defense now 404 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: Department of Defense. 405 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: Ben quick Aside, you've made your positions clear on both 406 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: the names Quincy and Alfonso. Where do you fall in 407 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: the name Smedley. 408 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: There's one guy that I respect with the name Smedley, 409 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: and I'm still on the fence about him. What about you? 410 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: When I hear Smedley, I think of something gross. 411 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds there's something snively about it. 412 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: Yes, snidely. Whiplash's exactly. Yeah, get out of my head. 413 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: That's it off myc though I always think of Smegma. 414 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: No, let's stuck it in. 415 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, you don't know what that is, don't 416 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: look it up. 417 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: That just sank some of the scores and our internal 418 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: rating systems. 419 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, it's not a cool name. It's just something 420 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: about it runed me the wrong way. 421 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: But he was an absolute pill who probably saved the 422 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: American experiment exactly. No important chess tattoo, I know way 423 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: too much of what guy of an eagle? My guy? Hey? Okay? 424 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: Did he have like a warship tattooed on his bicep too? 425 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: That would come to life when he ate spinach. Also, 426 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: was it a bald eagle or just an eagle? 427 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: He didn't let people see his back, and uh I 428 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: think he I think when he got tatted up it was, 429 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I'd have to go back to We did 430 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: a show with Schoolly Humans called Let's Start a Coup 431 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: where you can learn all about Spentley Butler and hear 432 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: some Saturday Night live re enactments of his life. 433 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: Guys, I've been playing I think I've mentioned on the 434 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: podcast before A big fan of this board game called 435 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: Wingspan that teaches you all about different birds. It's just 436 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: a really fun game. And it's really changed my relationship 437 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: with our fine feathered friends for the better. But one 438 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: little fun fact that gets dropped a lot whenever you 439 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: play the bald eagle card. And you may know part 440 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: of this, maybe not all of it. Ben Franklin was 441 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: not a fan of the idea of the bald eagle 442 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: as the national bird. He wanted preferring the turkey. But 443 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: he wasn't a fan because of a trait that bald 444 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: eagles have. They are known for stealing fish. Uh huh yeah, 445 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: though in retrospect that's pretty American. 446 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, you guys don't steal fish. I stole 447 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: some fish earlier today we pushed off recording and I 448 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: saw some you know, I saw a kid with some fish, 449 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: and then a kid with some candy. And I took 450 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: the fish fish more nourishing than candy. I did. No, 451 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: I did get a bagel, though that part is true. 452 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: It was not from a child. It was from an adult. 453 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: Was it a locks big of course, it was like, 454 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: come on, man, you know me, welcome and so our 455 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: pal taft is off is kind of seen as a 456 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: compromise candidate, which happens increasingly in the United States at 457 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: all levels of politics. People who consider themselves more on 458 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: the liberal side of ideology at the time say that, look, 459 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: this guy is going to continue a lot of Teddy 460 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: Roosevelt's liberal policies, and people who identify themselves more with 461 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: conservative ideology say, hey, this guy will get rid of 462 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: all those liberal policies we hate. So everybody votes for 463 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: him for completely contradictory reasons, and as a result of course, 464 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Kobeyashi Maru again, there is no perfect president. Everybody ends 465 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: up super peeved with him. Then they're like, come on, man, 466 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: you didn't do all the stuff that I told myself 467 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: you would do. 468 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: However, he definitely swung a little closer to the conservatives viewpoints, 469 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: which really p owed the former President Roosevelt, who didn't 470 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: win his party's primary, since the Conservatives were the larger 471 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: portion of the party and they already didn't like Teddy, 472 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: so they decided to go with Taft caused him to 473 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: create his own political party and split the vote and 474 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: gave the presidency to a pretty awful guy considered by many, 475 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: including Max Williams, to be one of, if not the 476 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: worst president of the nineteen hundreds, and who was definitely 477 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: proven to be have been a member of the Ku 478 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: Klux klam. 479 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's a shame. Look at Mitchell and Webb, folks. 480 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: They have an amazing sketch about the Ku Klux Klan 481 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: the Batties. No, oh, I'll send it together. 482 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: I will say Joe Wilson did do a lot of 483 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: actually really good things in his presidency. Will send this unfortunately, 484 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: because I want to just hate him. He's polarizing, as 485 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: you can only do really good and really bad. He 486 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: couldn't do in the middle. 487 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's like, you know, it's the 488 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: joke we have in academia about philosophy students or ethics students. 489 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: Philosophy students are either super tame or they're absolute wild cards. 490 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: There is no middle ground. They're just the extreme ends 491 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: of the Bell curve. Shout out to everyone with a 492 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: philosophy degree. And you would love to hang with Taft 493 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: because Taft was never fond of the somewhat I would say, 494 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: ethically fraudulent game of politics. He wanted to be a 495 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: nerd like us, and so when he left the White House, 496 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: which you know, he kind of I feel like he 497 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: I feel like he rolled his eyes when he became 498 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: president and he said all right, fine, and he was 499 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: excited to leave. So back to our friends of Britannica. 500 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: When Taft gets out of the White House, he survives, 501 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: he's not assassinated, blah blah blah. He returns to his 502 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: alma mater. He goes back to Yale and he becomes 503 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: a professor of constitutional law, which is a really cool position, 504 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: especially in an ivy league like that and the US, 505 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: because all things exist together and nothing occurs in a vacuum. 506 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: The US enters World War One and Taft makes the 507 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: decision to serve in policy advisory positions, so he's part 508 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: of the National War Labor Board, and then he also 509 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: pushes and constitutional law botens often do this. He pushes 510 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: for tighter international relations. So he's a big proponent of 511 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: the League of Nations. And the party that he was 512 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: down with, his political gang, was isolationist. They didn't like 513 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: the idea of the League of Nations, and as history 514 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: would prove, the League of Nations was largely ineffective. The 515 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: most important thing it did was to establish a precedent 516 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: for the United Nations, which is still you know, doing 517 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: its best. That's about all they can do. 518 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: The Unit I appreciate the organization, and I think it 519 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: represents a lot of good stuff, but unfortunately it is 520 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: often a little bit toothless. 521 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I put that pause in there a little 522 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: starkily on fampus. 523 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: But no, no, you said it right, diplomatically, doing the 524 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: best they can. I get it now. No, we do 525 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: have a good moment here, whether taftause. Remember we said 526 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: the way that the way that some of us dreamed 527 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: being the first werewolf astronaut on the moon. Taft had 528 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: a boyhood dream, and his boyhood dream was Scotus to 529 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: become a member of the Supreme Court. I think we 530 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 2: have a happy ending for this episode. 531 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: That's right. 532 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: In nineteen twenty one, Tast's boyhood dream of becoming a 533 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: Supreme Court of Justice did in fact come true. 534 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: In fact, exceeded his childhood dreams. 535 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 2: In fact, not only was he a justice, he was 536 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 2: appointed in nineteen twenty one by President Warren G. Harding, 537 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: not of the regulators, regulators, writers, is roughriterers? 538 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: No, is that different? It's different anyway. Warren G. 539 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: Harding appointed Taft chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, 540 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: launching what was probably the happiest time in Taff's long 541 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: career being a public service. He took steps to improve 542 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: the efficiency of the Supreme Court, which had lagged behind, 543 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: as we know oftentimes legislation and lawmaking can They had 544 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: not been doing their due diligence in their work, and 545 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: he was out to change that. His influence was incredibly 546 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 2: decisive in making sure the Judges Act of nineteen twenty 547 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: five got passed, which gave the significant power to the 548 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: Supreme Court in discretion in choosing its cases, so that 549 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: it could focus more attention on bigger picture constitutional questions 550 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: and not get caught up in like the minutia of 551 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: stuff that maybe had no business being presented to the 552 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. So that's positive, whatever your take on the 553 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: Court itself might. 554 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: Be, Yeah, because pre nineteen twenty five, they were kind 555 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: of not even kind of they were restricted in their 556 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: own agency, so they would get cases through a certain 557 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: process and they didn't have the same lot of or 558 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: as you said, no discretion in choosing their cases. And again, 559 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's always been a small number of people, 560 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: so their time and their expertise is limited. Was he 561 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: was considered remind me of this. He was considered pretty 562 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: conservative right as a scotis. 563 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: I do believe, so, yeah, he is judicial philosophy definitely 564 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: leaned in that direction. However, tasked, as I think is 565 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 2: super important for any judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice. 566 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: Wasn't like entirely said in his ways. He was not 567 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: ideologically rigid. He was willing to look at both sides 568 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: and come to a consensus that was based on facts 569 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: rather than his own personal beliefs. Although you know, we 570 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: know it's it's hard to separate those out sometimes, but 571 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: credit where credit is due, especially. 572 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: With his workers' rights opinions right. 573 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 2: His approval of court injunctions, for example, was limited by 574 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 2: his insistence that injunctions could not be employed to interfere 575 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 2: with the rights of workers to organize and strike. So yeah, conservative, 576 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 2: but relatively open minded and willing to do the work. 577 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: So kind of like Calvin Coolidge, but even cooler. That's 578 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 2: max joke, but it holds true here. 579 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: It was pretty good. We we also have to acknowledge, 580 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, perhaps unfairly in American discourse, Taft is often 581 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: not remembered for his competence and his integrity as a 582 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: member of the judiciary. He's often remembered for his lifelong 583 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: battle with certain aspects of his health, and he had 584 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: heart disease and this forced him to voluntarily resign from 585 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court on February third, nineteen thirty. And he 586 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: was making the right decision for his health. At this point, 587 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: he had already shed one hundred pounds, he was walking 588 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: three miles a day. Unfortunately, due to the heart disease. 589 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: He passed away on March eighth in nineteen thirty, just 590 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: like the next month. He was seventy two years old. 591 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: But what an astonishing Postpotus career. And we've seen Adams, 592 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: We've seen Carter, We've seen taff There are more stories. 593 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: We're not going to get to them all. Shout out 594 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: to former President Barack Obama, who is now a bit 595 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: of an internet DJ. He's got a summer playlist that 596 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: comes out. 597 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: It's pretty good man, guys, he's got pretty good taste. Yeah. 598 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: When I first heard it, and no no offense, Barrock. 599 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: When I first heard it, I thought, come on, man, 600 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: did you pick these or did your daughters tell you 601 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: what to put on the playlist? He was always dropping 602 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: good rex even when he was president. 603 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 2: I'm a big shout out to town hero musician artist 604 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: Fay Webster, who made one of the former president's. 605 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: Summer playlists Pretty sweet. 606 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 2: Fay Wester is like this incredibly lovely, almost like Dusty 607 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: Springfield as kind of like R and B slash. 608 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 609 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: It's got a groove to it. She's got a lovely voice, 610 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 2: but also is like buddies with all of the Atlanta 611 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 2: rappers because her background was like in photography where she 612 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 2: would do like these photo shoots. Is really tight with 613 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: Lil YACHTI, who appeared at her recent performance here in 614 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: Atlanta that my kid went to. 615 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: Pretty cool and big. Big shout out too to former 616 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: President Obama for his Christmas playlist and for his workout 617 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: playlist and for his film business, his production company Higher Ground. 618 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: He and his spouse Michelle, who obviously runs the joint, 619 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: have produced seventeen movies and TV shows so far. Please 620 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: mister Obama, missus Obama, if you're listening, boy, howdy, do 621 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: we have some pitches for you all? Just give us 622 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: give us a tight five minutes. We'll bring our pal 623 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: aj Bahamas Jacobs. We got some stuff we know you 624 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: will love. The last thing we wanted in with real 625 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: quick because I know we got to wrap it up. 626 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: We didn't get to it in our conversation about Adams. 627 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: But I have a question for you. All right, Adams Family, right, 628 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: the TV show Adams Family based off. 629 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 2: All right, don't forget about the masterpiece film series from 630 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 2: the nineties, the Adams Family and Adams Family Values. 631 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, good note and based on the comic strip. 632 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Right in the Adams Family, many of the family members 633 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: are depicted as monsters or have supernatural entities of some sort. 634 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: My question, then, is what kind of monster is Gomez Adams. 635 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: I believe I know the answer. Well, I would argue 636 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: he's a sexy beast, yes, yes, I agree with that. 637 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: I would also argue that he is his monstrosity is 638 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: business tycoon. There you go. That's that's what makes him monstrous, 639 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: is that he is a unhinged konaire. 640 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's when I never really clocked that. That's 641 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 2: you know, and funny you say that, like, really, the 642 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 2: only monsters in the crew were Lurch, who was kind 643 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: of a Frankenstein asque creature, the hairy one that is 644 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 2: cousin it, and the severed hand. But Wednesday is not 645 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 2: a monster, and Martitia is just a he's kind of 646 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 2: a vampire, kind of a vampire, yeah clear, but she 647 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 2: does it suck blood. They don't really harm people. They 648 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,720 Speaker 2: just talk about spooky stuff. They never actually do anything. 649 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: They're like Elvira level spook. That's right, you know what 650 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, just like creepy stuff. 651 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: Ben, you said Elvira, Elvira, Vampira better than al Vira. 652 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 3: Alvira's a knockoff. 653 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: Well better because Vampire is an a dude. 654 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 3: And you also listened to the Federal episode about Vampiro. 655 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 2: Also and watch the incredible Such a Bumber to see 656 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: his career drop off the way it has Tim Burton 657 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: movie ed Wood, which also features Vampire. 658 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: And we are clearly trending into the most wonderful time 659 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: of the year, the spooky season. So thank you for 660 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: tuning into our series on post presidential careers. We hope 661 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. We have many more presidents to get to. 662 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: The journey continues in the meantime. Folks, First, thanks to 663 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: our research associates super producer mister Max Williams. Secondly, and 664 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: perhaps even more importantly, log onto ridiculous historians and let 665 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: us know your favorite Halloween traditions, films, and costumes. Ooh, 666 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: and leave us a happy Halloween. 667 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: Great review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 668 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: That would warm our demonic little hearts. 669 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: Yes, beautiful, Ah, that was very well done. Also big 670 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: big Speaking of well done, big big thing thanks to 671 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: our composer Alex Williams, who was doing well and on 672 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: his travels and getting super into improv. Yesayd Alex got 673 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: your back. 674 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: Huge thanks to superproducer Max Williams who composed this banging 675 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 2: research Dotsier as well as Chris Fraciotis and Eves Jeff 676 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 2: cots Here in Spirit. 677 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: Gabe Lusier, Rachel, Big Spinach, Lance, our pals over at 678 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. That's Zarin, Elizabeth and Dave. We'll get the 679 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: nicknames later. For now, folks, we just want to thank 680 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: you for tuning in, and no thank you. I think 681 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of our jokes landed in this week. I 682 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: hope so they landed somewhere, Ben, they landed somewhere. Let's 683 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks. 684 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 685 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.