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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of five

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w. Chuff Bryan over there,

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Speaker 1: and there's Jerry over there, and she has a doughnut

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Speaker 1: beneath her skin on her forehead, which makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know the transdermal implant addition, although technically they'd

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Speaker 1: be subdermal implant, right, you know, good point, there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited about this, are you. I'm excited too,

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Speaker 1: because as we record live today, this is the last

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Speaker 1: UM full length session of the year. We're doing some

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Speaker 1: shorties tomorrow and then I'm doing movie Crushes tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: that's it. Man, We're done for Like, if you look

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Speaker 1: at calendar days, almost three full weeks. You got a

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Speaker 1: big day tomorrow, don't you. Yeah, I'm recording a lot

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Speaker 1: of shows. That's a lot of episodes tomorrow, five six

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Speaker 1: seven episodes tomorrow. So are you sad we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be recording for a little while, are you? Like? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm super glad. That's fine. I'm not taking a personally

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Speaker 1: because I feel the same way now I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I hate all the few people, but uh, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be breaks are really good. Yeah, we get to charge

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Speaker 1: us tear the covers off of our textbooks. Yeah, turning

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Speaker 1: back in for um a substantially less amount than what

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Speaker 1: we paid for him. Yeah we what we After the

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Speaker 1: bell rings, we go down the hall throwing all our

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Speaker 1: papers around and stuff. Yeah, exactly the best. Everyone's like this,

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Speaker 1: Cooper's playing this is work. Yeah. Uh yeah, No, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a great break and uh means good quality

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Speaker 1: family holiday time. Uh, not having to research stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: nice for a few weeks, and then it makes us

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Speaker 1: eager to get back and start researching stuff again. And

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Speaker 1: not only that, we get to go on the road

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Speaker 1: shortly after we get back. That's right, we're gonna baking

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Speaker 1: in a yeah, shout out, prepare for this. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: doing a show in Seattle the More on January. That

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Speaker 1: would be the uh, and then we'll be in l

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Speaker 1: A for the Hurt podcast towards on Friday. No events

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Speaker 1: other than that because we're in and out. Then Saturday

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be at sketch Fest the Castro. That's the

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Speaker 1: live show, brand new stuff. So yeah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a big jam, that's right. And then I'm doing a

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Speaker 1: movie crush on the nineteenth. And this year, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna do a single guest talking about a one movie.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna mix it up and get the audience involved,

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Speaker 1: very nice, Gonna have a slate of people on stage,

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Speaker 1: be wandering around the audience with a microphone. I'm having

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I'm like nervous just thinking about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not even gonna be in the audience

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Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna be in town. I'm sorry. But

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Speaker 1: the idea of being in the audience and you picking me,

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's voluntary. You know. I'm not gonna just

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Speaker 1: stick in someone's face. That's This is the cream of

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Speaker 1: the crop of stuff. You should know. Lusters, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They're not these drunk mainers who jump on the mic

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Speaker 1: and Q and A and going off on Maine. Again.

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Speaker 1: They're nice, But we had a couple of drunkies at

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Speaker 1: the end that tried to ruin the show. We totally

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Speaker 1: did anyway, Yeah, they're fine. Yeah, it happens from time,

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Speaker 1: and it happens from not in San Francisco or Portland, though,

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Speaker 1: man they know what's up. Or Seattle, Seattle. Sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we're hitting Portland in March. We haven't announced those yet,

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Speaker 1: but Portland and Vancouver it looks like, yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: we're debating other various places for yeah, right in, let

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Speaker 1: us know where to go. Yeah, okay, So off to

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Speaker 1: transdermal implants, Charles. Yeah, this is one kind of an

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Speaker 1: extreme body modification. And I want to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: say right off the bat, we don't like to yuck

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Speaker 1: people's yums um. We're gonna I'm gonna do this as

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Speaker 1: straightforward as I can. But it is hard and some

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Speaker 1: of these circumstances two uh, to not recoil in horror

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Speaker 1: at what you're seeing. But the reason I feel like

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Speaker 1: I can say that is I think that's kind of

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Speaker 1: they want to. They want to sometimes scare your average

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Speaker 1: right in the camera lens. A lot of them do that.

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Speaker 1: They're inciting a reaction, and I get it. It's fine,

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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, they're they're freaking out the normies. Basically

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Speaker 1: not all of them I was reading. I actually looked

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Speaker 1: up psychology of body modification. It's interesting, And this person wrote,

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Speaker 1: piercing place. And they're like, despite what most you know,

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Speaker 1: average people think, there's not some sort of psychological defect

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Speaker 1: doing this a self expression. Yeah sure, I can't really

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Speaker 1: show your affiliation with the tribe or something like that,

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Speaker 1: like if you're a grinder, which we'll get into, or

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Speaker 1: a raver or a goth yeah, or a mook mook

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Speaker 1: or posse boom. You sound a million years old right now.

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Speaker 1: And then let's see what's the last one. Oh, sexual enhancement. Also,

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Speaker 1: can't fault anybody for that one. Yeah, well, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about some of those two. So I I but I

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Speaker 1: don't want to leave you high and dry here, because

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Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't have any issues with anybody

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Speaker 1: doing whatever to their own body for whatever reason. Um

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Speaker 1: sort of like serious might all illness, And I mean

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Speaker 1: I think that does come up, but it's very very rare. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I do. If you look at pictures of the

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Speaker 1: after or the during, sure it can make one a

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Speaker 1: little fainty. Is that what you mean? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: we're curious people like if I ever sat down across

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Speaker 1: from someone with a split tongue and elf ears and

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Speaker 1: things like that and say, hey, you know, what's what's

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Speaker 1: going on with that? Let's say you say, how about

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Speaker 1: them cubbies that's big baseball fans, right, No, I'd want

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Speaker 1: likely response, like you said, would be, it's just self expression. Man,

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Speaker 1: this is just how I feel I want to project myself.

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Speaker 1: He's like, you want to project as a to be

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Speaker 1: old bearded guy. Yeah, you're gross. So we're just kind

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Speaker 1: of we're dropping in on a subculture that we're not

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Speaker 1: affiliated with in any way ship perform but we're also

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Speaker 1: this is until like paradeum around um and been pointing

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Speaker 1: gawk and Latin. So if you if you're here for that,

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Speaker 1: move along, that's right. Okay, alright, boy, these are weirdos kidding.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking specifically about transdermal implants, which we'll get to,

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Speaker 1: but those are a I think you said, an extreme

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Speaker 1: form of body modification. Yeah, E, B and yeah E.

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Speaker 1: It's very important. This is not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: the mountain dew version of extreme. There's an E at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of that word, which legitimizes the whole thing tremendously.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You were a child of

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Speaker 1: though I've never had a mount and do what never?

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Speaker 1: mellow yellow? I think I might have had a couple

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Speaker 1: of those when I was a kid. Okay, well, then

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Speaker 1: you're fine. You're covered about the same virtually the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Although mountain dew is branched out. They have some new

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Speaker 1: freaky stuff. They got all kinds of colors and flavors. Now,

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Speaker 1: so there's one that's blue that you me accidentally got

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I can't touch this, but I'll

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Speaker 1: bet you'd like to drink blue stuff. This is the

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Speaker 1: epitome of blue stuff that you shouldn't drink. But it's

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Speaker 1: like highly addictive. The taste is like Oh, it's awful.

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Speaker 1: I want another sip. That's so weird. But it's a

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Speaker 1: blue raspberry mix and I'm not sure what it is,

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Speaker 1: And this is like a week ago. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what a blue raspberry is, so I'm already confused, but

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Speaker 1: I really you gotta think, Chuck. There are people who

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Speaker 1: do engage in transdermal iplain listening to this and they're like,

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Speaker 1: and it was Blue Mountain. Yeah, that's how. That's where.

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Speaker 1: This is our stage in life that we're in. Ye,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, I'm comfortable with that, Okay. So it's an

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Speaker 1: extreme foreign body modification, which is a larger umbrella that

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Speaker 1: covers a lot of different stuff and some stuff that's

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Speaker 1: been around a really long time, like tattooing, piercing, gauging. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know it gauging like it's there's like a

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Speaker 1: pretty big. That's actually, you know, a traditional custom that

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Speaker 1: what five thousands something years before. Yeah, and I've also

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Speaker 1: seen it in the lip Yeah, the cultures that have

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Speaker 1: this new thing that these kids are doing, but for tattoos,

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Speaker 1: like for thousands of years other cultures across the world

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Speaker 1: raises a really important point to um. Body modification can

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Speaker 1: or getting an eyelid job and a little nippit or tuck. Sure,

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Speaker 1: and these are typically people modifying their body to reach

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Speaker 1: h some sort of ideal of social ideal of beauty,

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Speaker 1: a norm of beauty that they feel like they don't

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Speaker 1: have naturally. So they're modifying their bodies with extreme body

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Speaker 1: modification like trans germal implants. It's the intention is to

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Speaker 1: go the other way, but it's still like on the

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Speaker 1: realize that it's going to freak out the normy. That's right.

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Speaker 1: So it's win win, Yeah, it is, um. So there.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to get into all these

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Speaker 1: because this is mainly on uh, these instrumal implants, but

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Speaker 1: we do need to mention things like beating. Um, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about the tongue splitting. Do you know what beating is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Oh you're gonna lay it on me. I

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Speaker 1: was trying to lay it on you. So that's hell fair. Um.

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Speaker 1: Beating or genital beating or pearling is inserting like a

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Speaker 1: bead or something beneath the skin or on the top

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Speaker 1: of the skin, or somewhere under the skin on the penis.

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Speaker 1: And that is a million percent for sexual enhancement, for

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Speaker 1: her pleasure terms you know what they used to say.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's said on the bathroom wall of the

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Speaker 1: gas station. No, it was like ribbed, Yeah, for her pleasure.

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Speaker 1: They also have ribs instead of pearls, but so like

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Speaker 1: a ribbed penis. But those are subdermal implants. They're they're

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Speaker 1: meant to be under the skin. They're not supposed to

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Speaker 1: break the skin. Again of the genitals. That it's true,

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Speaker 1: which what the tongue splitting. Apparently there's one form of

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Speaker 1: tongue tongue splitting you can do where you have movement

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Speaker 1: over both sides. Oh no, like independently. I think. So

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Speaker 1: that's pretty I haven't seen it in action, like on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: but I read that a couple of hours ago, and

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Speaker 1: I did not go to YouTube on purpose. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've suffered quite a bit the last couple of days

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Speaker 1: from my curiosity getting the best of me. And then

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Speaker 1: there's the subdermal implant like you were talking about, which

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Speaker 1: is different. If you've ever seen anyone that looks like

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Speaker 1: they are what what are the Star Trek? Is it

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Speaker 1: he wanted to become the synthesis of those two things.

422
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: Another was that he was just trying to become a cat.

423
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: They was working being surgically altered so that he would

424
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: have to walk on all fours and that it would

425
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: be comfortable for him. Just like ultimately that was his

426
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: end goal either way. Um, he died by suicide before

427
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: he reached his goal. Um, but this was like his

428
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: life's passion. This is what he did. This is he

429
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: worked so that he could make money, and he repaired computers,

430
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: and then he took his money and gave it to

431
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: underground surgeons to carry out these these procedures or body

432
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: modification artists to carry out these procedures on him. That's right.

433
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I think the one quote I saw was it's brought

434
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: me fame but not fortune, right, and he he liked

435
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: the fame. If you look at the pictures of him,

436
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: he's hamming it up at the Ripley's Believe it or

437
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: not opening and things like that, Like he really enjoyed

438
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: being in this, this this spotlight like this. Yeah, it

439
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: looked like he stepped off the Broadway stage from Cats, sure,

440
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: except it was real. I'll bet he had lifetime free

441
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: admission to Cats. And I was like, I can't believe

442
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: it actually closed. I was just liking it after the

443
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: thousandth time. Have you ever seen cats? Yeah, that's I'm

444
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: ragging on it. It's terrible, really, it's the worst. I mean,

445
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I've heard things like that, but I've also heard people

446
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: that are so excited about do not trust those people.

447
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: So I think a good life model, no, a good

448
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: life motto is, don't trust anyone who says they like

449
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: the show Cats. Okay, but anyway, one of the from

450
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: a former cast member, and one of the things about

451
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah Rum, Tom Tugger and the Traveling cast that one

452
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: of the names, Yeah, I think that's the only one

453
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I can remember. Um. The one of the things that

454
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: we should say about um Stalking Cat is that in

455
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: the body modification community is widely considered to have suffered

456
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: from a serious mental disorder like body dysmorphic disorder or

457
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: something like that. That that he was the most extreme version.

458
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: Even though he gets lumped together with all people who

459
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: engage in extreme body modification, he was an outlier, and

460
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: that he probably did suffer from a mental tried. So

461
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: back to the implants, Um, they're their anchors under the skin,

462
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: like we talked about are we talking about how they

463
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: do these? Yeah, and kind of what they are and

464
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: how they do it. But these anchors, it seems like nowadays,

465
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: are mainly clover or figure eight shaped. That's what I

466
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: saw in that thing you said, although it did see

467
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: that they could be round or circular. Round in circular

468
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: this is the same thing. Or rectangular. Uh, there can

469
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: be custom made. They're made from what's called implant grade

470
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: titanium or tephlon, yeah, or silicone. Right. I don't know

471
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: how they could be silicone. I don't either, because it

472
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: seems it could be wobbly. That seems like more of

473
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: a subdormal thing, but maybe not. The key is this,

474
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: chuck um whatever you're the post or the the um,

475
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: the anchor, the anchor of the implant is it has

476
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: to have gaps holes in it. And the reason why

477
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: is because scar tissue is supposed to grow in these

478
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: holes and really cement that anchor into your skin. It

479
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: embeds it, not an anchor if it's not anchored exactly. Yeah,

480
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean that's the whole point is that it's not

481
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: slipping around in your head or wherever you have it,

482
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: and it is stuck there um, and it's protruding through

483
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: the skin via the post that's part of the anchor

484
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: that's sticking out of your skin. Yeah, so anything anytime

485
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: you see a little devil's horn or whatever that is

486
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: screwed on, and they can just screw that thing off

487
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: and screw on a Homer Simpson head, that's what I

488
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: want to see. Sure, that would be good Homer Simpson

489
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: head like dr klong from from a fistful of Yen

490
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: from the Kentucky Fried movie. I don't remember that he um,

491
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: he had a prosthetic arm and he could, like her hand,

492
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: he could unscrew it and put on things like a flamethrower,

493
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: like a spear gun or something like that. You've seen

494
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: Kentucky Fried movie. I have. It's been a long time, though,

495
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: it's time you saw it again. Yeah, it's it's even

496
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: more juvenile than you remember. But it is just fantastic,

497
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: more juvenile than when I was twelve. And what that's amazing.

498
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I've seen it and like, yeah, because when you're twelve,

499
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is how grown ups think. I

500
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: can't wait to be a grown up. And you become

501
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: a grown up, you're like, no, it's just the Zucker brothers. Right. Uh,

502
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: so there is some controversy around all this, and um,

503
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: I looked up the legalities and from what I saw, like,

504
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: if you're a tattoo piercing place, you have definitely been

505
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: certified and you have your operating license and all that

506
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: good stuff. Probably have an autoclave to sterilize everything. Probably so. Um.

507
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: But if you're if you live in a basement though,

508
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: that's a different story. Well, what I saw was the

509
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: courts have still and this was from an article from

510
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: last year, the courts still have not been asked to

511
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: rule on extreme body modification because the question is is

512
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: does this qualify as surgery or is it like piercing?

513
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Is it the same thing as piercing their scalpels, their sutures. Yeah,

514
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, everybody in the body modification communities like, no,

515
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: that's that's surgery, right, Like it's it's pure and simple.

516
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: It's a type of cosmetic surgery. The reason why it

517
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: seems questionable is because every other cosmetic surgery you've heard

518
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: of is towards this beauty, this norm of of like

519
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: a norm western norm, right, Um, Whereas this is the

520
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: opposite way. So people are like, wait, what are you doing?

521
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: And you do this in a in a tattoo place

522
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: or a piercing place, but not being coerced, right, but

523
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: it's still it's still surgery. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So should

524
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: we go through the process. I woke up excited about

525
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: this part today. I can't wait. We'll kick it off then. Okay,

526
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: all right, I'm Chuck. I would like a I would

527
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: like uh hand, multiple hands giving high fives to each

528
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: other down the center of my head. More. Welcome in, Chuck,

529
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: have a seat. I'm a body modification artist or what

530
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: you think ones is like? Alright, and you like it, right,

531
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Chuck, I'm just teasing. Okay, let me take

532
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: that again. Oh well, please come in. I have a seat.

533
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Care for some local anesthetic. It's illegal, but I want

534
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you to have it if you want it. Yeah, I

535
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: mean there could be some local anesthetic or there could

536
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: just be ice. Are you breaking the fourth wall right now?

537
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: I've heard sometimes there's just ice. Yeah, it could be,

538
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: which is really saying something because people like you in

539
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: the extreme body modification community endure a tremendous amount of

540
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: pain in doing this procedure that we're about to describe

541
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: to one another, even though you're my customer. Alright, so

542
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: what happens next? Wait? Wait, sorry and seen? All right?

543
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Can we go back to normal? Yeah? Alright, good? Um,

544
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: So what happens next? It's actually very straightforward, it really is.

545
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: So the the um artist, body modification artist slash Underground

546
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Surgeon will um make two. So they'll they'll you'll say,

547
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: I want a metal mohawk, which is a bunch of

548
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: spikes coming out of like the top of your head,

549
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: about where your forehead ends. She didn't like my idea

550
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: about the hands high fiving. That's all the hands high fiving.

551
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry whatever, So, um, how many do you want?

552
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: You want? Like, so you've got one hand coming out

553
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: in another hand coming out, so you have two. I

554
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: want them all in a row. So I want four

555
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: sets of two hands. So that's that's eight total hands

556
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: facing each other. Okay, So I'm gonna figure out and

557
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: show you where I think they should go. I mean

558
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: I do that by using like a sharpie and marking

559
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: those spots, and you'll say, yes, that's perfect. I've got

560
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: eight dots on my head right now. I think that's

561
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: great placement for these hands. And then on each side

562
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: of those dots where those implants are going to be.

563
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to measure off about an inch, about two

564
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and a half centimeters, and make another mark. And that

565
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: mark is where the actual incision goes, and in each

566
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: of those eight spots, And again, chuck, bear in mind

567
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: you have had maybe some ice. You turned down the

568
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: anesthetic because you're super legal. Right, Um, you're going to

569
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: feel a scalpel make a slit in your head eight

570
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: different times about an inch away from where those implants are. Right,

571
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: that's step one. That's that's going to be like a

572
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: drive around Paradise Island compared to what's coming next as

573
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: far as pain goes. Yeah, I mean that sounds bad enough.

574
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: But then what needs to happen because remember your skin

575
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: likes being very close to your head. Yeah, it's not

576
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: loosey goosey. It's not lucy goosey, but you need to

577
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: make it a little bit loosey goosey because you gotta

578
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: slide that anchor over from your incision point to its

579
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: final destination, right, which is why you have to place

580
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: two points marked off the place where the implants coming

581
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: in the place where the incision is. So how do

582
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: you separate the skin. Then you separate it with a

583
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: little tool, uh, sort of like a tiny little spatchel.

584
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: Invented by Steve Hayworth. Did he invent this? I thought

585
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: this guy is legit, dude. I'm not saying he's not,

586
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: but I thought it was. All had been long used

587
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: in plastic surgery, and from what I saw he invented

588
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: the the dermal elevator. Okay, well, it's a dermal elevator.

589
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,719
Speaker 1: It's a it's a little metal thing that you insert

590
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: and you use it as a little pry bar. Basically,

591
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: it's like a spatch, a little to pry the skin

592
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: up from your head. Yeah. So what you're doing then

593
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: is creating what's called a pocket, and and creating this pocket.

594
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: So you've got the you've got the dermal elevator. Now

595
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: it's it's pressed like you separated the skin from the

596
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: top of your head along all of these incisions. You're

597
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: probably doing it one at a time, I would guess,

598
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: because you don't want these incisions hanging out waiting for

599
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: you to be done with the first. But you um,

600
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: you slide the dermal elevator under finally, until it's under

601
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: the spot where you've marked off where the implant is

602
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: going to come out, and then you two you take

603
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: another maybe either the scalpel again or dermal punch, and

604
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: you make a little hole. And then now you have

605
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: that pocket, and then you have a hole, and you

606
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: take the implant, which again is consists of an anchor

607
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: with the post coming out of it, and you put

608
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: it into the incision, move it through the pocket that

609
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: you've created with the dermal elevator until and then just

610
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of move it along your skull pops right out

611
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: of that hole until it pops out of the hole.

612
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: And the whole reason for this this specific procedure is

613
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: because you want the hole that the implants coming out

614
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: of to be smaller than the anchor of the implant,

615
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: which is why you make that incision, so you can

616
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: move the implant in and it won't just protrude through

617
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: the hole that you've made for the implant to come

618
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: out of. You do this, in your case eight times

619
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: after that, after what I just said, in the implants

620
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: in an imposition, then you suture, and then I guess

621
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: you do it seven more times. I can't imagine sitting

622
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: through one let alone. Eight Yeah, I mean it's not

623
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: my bag. Seems painful. I got my ear pierce when

624
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: I was in high school, and that that hurt bad enough.

625
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I used to self pierce my own ears. Well, you know,

626
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: the funny story is, I got my ear pierce on

627
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: spring break senior year with all my buds, like the

628
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: dumbest suburban white boy thing to do, like George Michael,

629
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: me up right here basically, and they're all standing around

630
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: going jitterbug. So, yeah, I got that done. I actually

631
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: felt that was part of the story for a second.

632
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Sold it that. Well. We got home and my mom

633
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: got really upset and cried, so I took it out.

634
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: She cried it right out of your ear, she did,

635
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: and then she felt bad and my mom repierced my ear.

636
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: Oh wow, how about that? Why did she feel bad?

637
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: She was successful? Uh? And what crying it out of

638
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: my ear? I think, you know, because I was one

639
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: of like eight guys and I was the only guy

640
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: who had it cried out of their ear. And I

641
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: think she just you know, came around. It was that

642
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: initial that's a great shock. That's great shock, and all

643
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: the normy came to love it. Yeah. So one other thing,

644
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: So we're talking about how it's not our bag, and

645
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: that like just having your ear pierce was painful. One

646
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: of the things I saw in an explanation why people

647
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: do this is for the pain. Some people get off

648
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: on the pain. Yeah, I figured that, but also some people,

649
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: um why to kind of push their comfort zone of

650
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: their pain tolerance. They're not necessarily getting off on it,

651
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: but they feel like they're increasing their endurance, their grit,

652
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. They're gaining something right

653
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: there there. Yeah, possibly a spiritual experience from it that

654
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: it's not just like you know, there are people out

655
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: there who don't just necessarily think like you and me.

656
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: It's like, let's avoid pain at all costs. Some people

657
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: run into that stuff head first, forehead first, and say,

658
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: cut some holes in this man. Yeah, so that's cool. Yeah,

659
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: I mean that. And that's basically the long and short

660
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: of how you do that. You've got this post sticking out,

661
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: then it's sutred up. Um. However, here's what I was

662
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: about to say. Here's what they don't tell you. I'm

663
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: sure they do tell you. This is the success rate

664
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: for transdermal implants is super low. It's it like, what

665
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: is so I've seen yes, is what I saw too. Well,

666
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: you know what, that's a great place to break. But

667
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: is that's the first downside and we'll talk about more

668
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: of those when we come back, and things like chop

669
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: chop stop. So Chuck, you said the success rate is

670
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Well, that means that of the

671
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: time everything is great, you don't get a skull infection,

672
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: and of the time a number of things can happen.

673
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Infection is obviously one of the biggest risks m because

674
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: you're working with people who you know, may have things

675
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: fully sterilized or may not. I'm sure they take it

676
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: really seriously now, And I'm not saying it's all like

677
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: in someone's basement and they like fish up to a

678
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: lot of a scalpl out of their pocket. I'm sure

679
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: they take it really seriously now. But infection in hospitals

680
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: is something that's a problem, so right, it's going to

681
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: be a problem here. It's yeah, it's not even necessarily

682
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: that the tools or the implant are infected, but you

683
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: have just um broken open the envelope of your body

684
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: and now there's a direct pipeline into one of the

685
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: most vulnerable parts of your body, your skull and your

686
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: brain um from the outside environment just come on in bugs.

687
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: And if you've done that eight times in your head,

688
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: and technically you have sixteen holes in your head now,

689
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: eight for the implant and eight incisions, sixteen opportunities exactly.

690
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: And so even if you keep the thing clean and

691
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: really keep up with it while it's scarifying and healing,

692
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: it's still you have an open area for the outside

693
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: environment to come into your into your brain. And that

694
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: is one of the one of the frequent infections that

695
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: happens as a skull infection. You might have a skin infection,

696
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: it might go away, but it might have just migrated

697
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: to your skull and is eating into your skull, which

698
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: can become an abscess in your brain, which is a

699
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: real problem you can imagine um. And that is one

700
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: of the risks of transdermal implants. And it's such a

701
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: risk that people in the body mob community are like,

702
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: this is nuts. We really probably shouldn't be doing this.

703
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Let's go back to subdermals. That's what I saw Shi

704
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Finger on the pulse. Oh yeah, I'm super hip. I've

705
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: drink nothing but mountain dew blue all day. I'm trying

706
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: to picture you now being a like a cup reporter

707
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: podcaster who infiltrates the organization. I get talked into doing

708
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: a doughnut forehead thing because they don't believe you, because

709
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: you so you gotta prove it. I'm like, can I

710
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: just do some cocaine or something to prove it? You're like, well,

711
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I gotta baby lodged under my

712
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: skin and a baby gun fight. How do you remember that?

713
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Did that really happen to you? Oh? Yeah, okay, I

714
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: thought you remembered. No, I was taking that from Royal

715
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Tannon bombs right here, so yeah, yeah, so there you go.

716
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: You've had a subdermal There was unwilling and involuntary. But

717
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: what happened? Did you just pop that thing right back out?

718
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I didn't. A custodian at my school, dude, Oh man,

719
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: God bless him. Yeah that's amazing, God bless her. Oh really? Wow?

720
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, she was the definition of grizzled. Yeah. She's like,

721
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: I can help you with that, whipped out her pocket

722
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: knife and just went to town. Man. The custodian at

723
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: my elementary school. These people are like teachers, like you

724
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: grow up with them. This is my high school. Yeah,

725
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: we had the same guy for seven years, Roger, and

726
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: he was amazing. He was he was like six three,

727
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: he was tall and lanky, and he had this big

728
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: long Cadillac with a front license so seventies front license

729
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: plate that said Maha Raja and air rushed and he

730
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: was so cool because my dad was principal. So he

731
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: hired Roger and Alfred, the two guys who like work there,

732
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: and they were there the whole time, Like I was

733
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: buddies with those Could you not hire? Roger shows up

734
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: with that that they were good guys? All right? So, um,

735
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: I feel like a scum wad for not remembering my

736
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: lady's name. You don't, well, I mean, I think the

737
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: fact that my dad was the principle, I got to

738
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: know a lot of the staff more than a normal

739
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: kid might. It's true because I was there in summers

740
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and hanging out and stuff. They helped you with homework. Yeah, so, uh,

741
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: where were we we're talking about and fil trading? Oh okay,

742
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: here's some of the other things that can happen. Happen

743
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: aside from infection obviously rejection. Anytime you're introducing a foreign

744
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: object to the body, it really doesn't want it there.

745
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: So it strives to reject it, so when it does

746
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: work out, it's sort of not luck. But you know,

747
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: it's your body failing to do what it wants to do,

748
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: which is get rid of that thing. Right. Uh and

749
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: can also move great, So I guess if it doesn't

750
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: that tissue doesn't grow. I'm curious. I guess the suture

751
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: is supposed to hold it in place enough while the

752
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: tissue grows. Uh. No, that I mean the I think

753
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to touch it for a while while

754
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: while the scar tissue is growing. But I don't know

755
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: that the suture has anything to do with it. The suture,

756
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was just from the incision site, which

757
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: is an inch away. Oh, I thought they sutured around.

758
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Really, they just punch it through. Yeah,

759
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think the whole is small enough that it's

760
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: not really going to move as long as you don't

761
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: mess with it while it's scarring. So it's like the

762
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: little snaps on a trucker's cap kind of um. Interesting.

763
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: One of the one of the other things that can

764
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: happen too is if um some people don't use dermal elevators.

765
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Some people use butter knives, instead, which as I saw

766
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: there was another Wired article from two dozen six. I saw, yeah,

767
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: Steve Hayworth um was saying, that's like trying to thread

768
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: a needle with a Cadillac, I guess a Maharajer Cadillac,

769
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: and that you just don't want to use a butter knife.

770
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: And if somebody's using a butter knife for this, just stop,

771
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: be like stop stop, I'm gonna go find somebody else.

772
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: But um, even if you use a transdermal or a

773
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: dermal elevator, you can go too deep and pull too

774
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: much skin away and started to mess with tendons and

775
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: nerves and all sorts of stuff you don't you don't

776
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: want to mess with, and that can that can cause

777
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 1: a lot of problems to I have. As you can see,

778
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: I sliced my thumb open last week and then the

779
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: tip of it is still completely numb. Cutting a bagel

780
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: with a serrated knife and it's completely numb. Yeah you know, Um,

781
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I didn't want to take away from your glory, but

782
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: I cut a significant portion of my finger off right here,

783
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: like so see all this up to the nail um

784
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: just off and uh it took a while for the

785
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: for the feeling to come back a very long time.

786
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I don't think I'm ever gonna

787
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: get feeling back. And I did. It comes back. It

788
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: just takes a little off with the nerves. But isn't

789
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: that spectacular that my finger is intact again now it

790
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: is like we can regrow fingertips. So I guess what

791
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is keep the faith, buddy. Well,

792
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: I got another story. Since we're on this, all right,

793
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Well then I'll come up with my own again to uh.

794
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: And this was two and a half months ago. I

795
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: kicked my bed frame my shin and Emily heard the

796
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: sound and I hit the deck, and you know, I

797
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: tend to overreact. And she was kind of like, you know,

798
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: all right, like this is worse than when I got

799
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: my ear piers I was. I told her. I was like,

800
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: something happened. This was not a normal shin kick, And um,

801
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: there was a lump and if you touched it, it

802
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: was clearly some kind of exposed nerve like hayine would

803
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: shoot all the way through my leg for like two months.

804
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: And now the left top of my calf is still

805
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: numb two and a half months later, and like a

806
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: large like seven inches worth of my calf. Is it

807
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's probably best that it's numb,

808
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: like you be in a lot of pain if I want. Well,

809
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically healed now, but um, that lump

810
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: in the nerve damage was now the lump is just

811
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: now gone. But it was pain like I've never literally

812
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: never felt before. It's crazy. It was awful. Oh you

813
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't like it, No, I didn't. So this is not

814
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: my my thing. I understand. I'm not down with this,

815
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: but the whole thing is leading me into a suggestion

816
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: that we tackle nerves and nerve damage. I've been on

817
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: pain itself, but it's such a big topic. We haven't

818
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: had time to tackle it right, But we will. Okay,

819
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: are we done with this? We're probably not done yet.

820
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Oh we were going to talk about microdermals before we leave. Yeah,

821
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: so those are way safer because the idea is that

822
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: it can be done with like a piercing gun type machine. Yeah.

823
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: So it's this device. It's the same thing. It looks

824
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: like there's a piece of jewelry or some adornment growing

825
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: out of your skin, but it's much much smaller than

826
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: what a transdermal anchor and post can handle much smaller

827
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: um and so you basically just kind of make a hole,

828
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: uh and dig the skin away just a little bit

829
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: just to create just enough of a pocket to put

830
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: basically a mini transdermal post an anchor in there. But

831
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: it's so small that you can just kind of move

832
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: the skin over and in the hole and pop it

833
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: in there, and then the skin closes back over it,

834
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: and now you have a little post and you can

835
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: screw a little you know, stud or diamond or whatever,

836
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: and it just looks like if you've ever seen somebody

837
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: with um, a stud on their cheek and it looks

838
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: like a jewel mole or something like that, that's a microdermal.

839
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: They actually have a hole in their face, not going

840
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: all the way through um that that they just there's

841
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: a post kind of in there. They're apparently easier to

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Speaker 1: get out too, which is a big problem with transdermal

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Speaker 1: is that once they're in and it's scars over, you've

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Speaker 1: got a real problem if you want them out. They're

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Speaker 1: hard to to remove. Sometimes surgery is involved. And then

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Speaker 1: I saw even though they were called permanent, that eventually

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Speaker 1: they all kind of need to come out at some point.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's where what what the science

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Speaker 1: is behind that? When you get an office job, that's

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Speaker 1: usually the science behind that. Yeah, I know. The last

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to do was read over some of

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Speaker 1: these adult piercings. Yes, so have you? How many of

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Speaker 1: these did you look up? Uh? Most of them? I

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Speaker 1: could not resist anal piercing. Yeah, so two things, Google

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Speaker 1: image beware. Yeah, that's a I think that's fair. That's

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Speaker 1: a good c o A. And also, if you're kid,

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Speaker 1: if your mom or dad prepared to see what a

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Speaker 1: google anal piercing looks like, or just you know, you

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Speaker 1: might not want to hear any of these things. But

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Speaker 1: for or if you're playing this for your class for

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Speaker 1: some reason, right teacher, this might be a good time

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Speaker 1: to stop. So for males, it's lists the following ample langs.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to describe any of these? Or just that?

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Speaker 1: How does it? How does it spelled? Because I didn't

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Speaker 1: look up all of them A MP A, double L

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Speaker 1: A n G. That one I didn't see is that

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Speaker 1: the glands piercing. I'm not sure. I only looked up

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Speaker 1: about half of these. There's another one that begins with

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Speaker 1: an A. That's a glands piercing, the apa draw yas

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Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, where it's a there's a a

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Speaker 1: piercing with two studs, a stud on either side. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that goes right through the head of the penis. Again

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Speaker 1: for sexual enhancement. All these are fixed sexual enhancement right,

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Speaker 1: well almost all the time. Sometimes it's for you know, aesthetics.

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Speaker 1: But um let me. There's something called a deep p a,

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Speaker 1: something called a dolphin, something called a didos foreskin piercing, boring, uh,

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Speaker 1: something called a guiches. Have you seen that? No, I

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00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: gotta see that one. Yeah, you check that out. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it without losing our show.

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Speaker 1: So how does this spell? G U I c h

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Speaker 1: E S pubics prince's wand a reverse sp a and

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Speaker 1: then the ever popular scroll the ladder. What is that one?

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Speaker 1: Just look it up? Uh? And these are the adult

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Speaker 1: piercings listed for females anal of course, men and women. Christina,

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Speaker 1: the old clatoris piercing, the forchette, the horizontal hood, the hymen,

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Speaker 1: inner labia, Isabella nipples, boring outer labia, Princess Albertina, the

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Speaker 1: triangle in the vertical hood. There's a. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things to be pierced on a vagina. Apparently

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Speaker 1: there are, um and the you're right, we really probably

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Speaker 1: can't describe the guiches. Yeah, it's it's a it's just

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like no man's land. Yeah. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: a really great way to put it. I think you

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Speaker 1: just saved the days. Uh. Well, if you we want

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Speaker 1: to know more about body modification, there's an actual there's

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Speaker 1: an article on how stuff works. You can check out.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to start. Maybe it's your bag.

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Speaker 1: You'll find out. Um and since I said maybe it's

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Speaker 1: your bag, it's time for listener mail. Uh. This is

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Speaker 1: about when I was talking about that story about the

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Speaker 1: googling the two words. Oh yeah, that didn't match up

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Chuck mentioned he had a friend who would

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Speaker 1: google to random words to get as a few results

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Speaker 1: as possible. I got really excited. This practice is called

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Speaker 1: google sculpting, and it was used in a subversive poetry

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Speaker 1: movement called flour Have you ever heard of this? This

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Speaker 1: guy wrote, Okay, well this is different. I wrote my

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Speaker 1: senior year English paper on this. In high school. Flour

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Speaker 1: fists would use google sculpting to create the worst poems

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Speaker 1: they could muster using Uh, we could muster using lines

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00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: from the few results they would get. It started as

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Speaker 1: a way to expose scam publications that admitted every entry,

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Speaker 1: collected a submission fee, and convinced the poets to purchase

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Speaker 1: the compendium. But flarf was so fun it quickly gained

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Speaker 1: a life of its own. This is from Chris da

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Speaker 1: Silva and uh, Philadelphia, and he he sent his paper

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Speaker 1: along and I read it and uh, just as so

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Speaker 1: everyone gets this, I'm gonna read out an example of

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Speaker 1: a flourf This was by kay Salim Mohammed and his

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Speaker 1: poem is called gold Mine. I type slobbering anus into

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Speaker 1: Google because I'm one big, fat, lazy exterminator nut. Some

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Speaker 1: people think I'm a gluttonous, poor sign fury man killing

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Speaker 1: gold mine made of sweet gold beautiful. And he said

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Speaker 1: this poem references the process in creating flarf in the

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Speaker 1: first line. So he explains how he wrote the poem

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Speaker 1: itself by compiling the search results from googling the phrase

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Speaker 1: slabbing anus. Very nice. That is from Chris Silva from Philly.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Chris, that was great. Who goal sculpting Google?

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Speaker 1: Flour uh, goaches, guaches, gleiches uh. If you want to

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Speaker 1: get in touch of this, like Christa Silva from Philly did,

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Speaker 1: you can go onto stuff you Should Know dot com

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Speaker 1: and there you will find all of our social links

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Speaker 1: and if you want, you could also send us an email,

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Speaker 1: wrap it up, spank it on the bottom, pierce it

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Speaker 1: somewhere and send it off to stuff podcast at iHeart

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