1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: having a fantastic Wednesday, no matter even though we have 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: as many of you probably are dealing with the official 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: in many ways in the summer kids season. Imagine a 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of you are getting your kids back to school. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different moving parts. We played for you, 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: some of the President with the President of Poland in 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: the Oval Office in the first hour, and Buck, I'll 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: take you behind the curtain here. I don't know if 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: I've told this story before, but I'll tell you this 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: story as we start off the second hour here because 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: it directly ties in with a clip we're going to 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: play for you. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: And if you missed the teas. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell probably I think the most famous non fiction 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: celebrity author in America. Would you buy into that designation 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: in terms of book sells, I don't know that anybody 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: would have sold more copies than him. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: It's him and Michael Lewis probably for our good to 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: the last twenty years or so, those would be the 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: two that I think are. I met him in France, 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: by the way, for the iHeart events, so I actually 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 3: met mister Gladwell for the first we shook hands. I mean, 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: he wouldn't you know, he had no idea who I 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: was like, hey man, yeah, so yeah. 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: So I'm going to play a cut for him. I 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: imagine a lot of you have read his books. Tipping 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Point is probably the most famous, but he's got a 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: ton of different books, and I think he has a 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: very popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: of you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: let me take you behind the scenes a little bit here. 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I sold my company, out Kick, to Fox in twenty 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: twenty one. On Super Bowl Sunday twenty twenty one, we 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: made two million dollars in affiliate revenue for from fan Duel. 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: That is that Super Bowl Day, the company that I ran, 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: we and founded. We were one of the top affiliates 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: in the entire country. So if you were watching Tom 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers go up against Patrick Mahomes Kansas 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, our company and to a large extent me 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: made more money than anybody playing in that game. On 42 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: sports gambling affiliate referral deals. We were for FanDuel, which 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: is the biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company in 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: the country. We were either their best or second best 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: affiliate partner in the country. Pat McAfee, who now is 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: at ESPN, was also wildly profitable for them. We were 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: their too best at helping to promote and I love 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: sports gambling obviously. We've got a great relationship with price Picks, 49 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: which ties in here with that. We made six seven 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: million dollars a year on that deal. That was important 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: for us as a part of the company. Sold the company, 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: FanDuel said they wouldn't work with me anymore Buck because 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: I was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. This 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: is a sports gambling company. They said, Clay is too 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: controversial because he is saying men should not be competing 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: in women's sports, and FanDuel is worried about the controversy 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: that he brings for being so outspoken on that issue. 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: As a result, FanDuel refused to work with me, and 59 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: as a result, refused to work without Kick. So me 60 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: merely saying men should not be able to compete in 61 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: women's athletics cost the company that I founded and owned 62 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: around seven million dollars a year. I don't know how 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: much money you guys make, but seven million dollars a 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: year for a media company is a big, huge, huge 65 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: part of what allows the company to be profitable, to 66 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: employ tons of people. But as a matter of principle, 67 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to stop talking about this, 68 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: even though FanDuel is saying, well, you're too controversial for 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: saying this. So the reason why I give you that 70 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: backstory is it was, even though it's one hundred percent 71 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: the right thing to say, it took hutzba It took 72 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: sometimes turning away from millions of dollars to say what 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: I personally believe to be true and allow the company 74 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to be at the forefront of arguing this. 75 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: Is no, no, no, no, no, no, not you not what 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: you personally believe to be true, what is undeniably, unequivocably, 77 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: obviously and as clear as anything could be true, which 78 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: I think is important. You weren't penalized Clay for an opinion. 79 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: You were penalized for a fact which as a whole 80 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: that is Soviet Union level stuff. That is, everyone who 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: is starving say the grain harvest is the biggest grain 82 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: harvest of all time. That is a manufactured delusion, my friend. 83 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: And if you wonder why did people not step up 84 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: against this across all of sports. Only OutKick and really 85 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: only me at the forefront of this. 86 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: We're willing to make this argument. 87 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: It's because the big advertising partners out there would grab 88 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: you by the you know what and they would squeeze 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: if you tried to step out a line. This is 90 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: the truth. Nobody else will even tell you this. I'm 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: telling you directly. Okay, Malcolm Gladwell came out. They have 92 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: a big sports conference, sports analytics conference at MIT, and 93 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: they had a bunch of famous Malcolm Gladwell has a 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: connection to sports. He's a big sports fan. He's done 95 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: sports related reporting and stories, and he and everybody else 96 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: on that panel at the I think it's the Sloan 97 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Kettering MIT Institute or whatever, refused to speak out against 98 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: men competing in women's sports because the consequences were real. 99 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: What I just told you, it could cost your company 100 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, It could cost you personally millions of dollars. 101 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: It could impact your employability. They were very targeted in 102 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: the way that they attacked here. And now he's come out, 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: this just happened yesterday, and Malcolm Gladwell says, hey, I 104 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: was bullied, I was cowed. I was afraid of the consequences, 105 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: and now I'm going to tell you the truth. Men 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. 107 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 4: Listen if we did a replay of that exact panel 108 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: at the SLUNG conference this coming March, it runs in 109 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 4: exactly the opposite direction, and it would be I suspect 110 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 4: near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no 111 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: place in the female category. I don't think this is 112 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: any I just think it was a strange I mean, 113 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: I felt. I mean the reason I'm ashamed of my 114 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 4: performance of that panel because I share your position one 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: hundred percent and I was count is the idea of 116 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: saying anything on this issue. I was in a I 117 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: believe in retrospect in a dishonest way. I was. I 118 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: was objective in a dishonest way. 119 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I give him credit for coming out and being 120 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important 121 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: because there are consequences. Unfortunately, when you are willing to 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: speak the truth. I think your qualification is important there. 123 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: This is not This is not me arguing what the 124 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: tax rate in Moldova should be. And we're sitting around 125 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: and we're like, well, you know this. 126 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 3: Is his dudes are not chicks, and chicks are not dudes, 127 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: and pretending they are is a lot. That is what 128 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: this is. 129 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Even in the world of sports. 130 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: It's beyond that buck because you're saying men don't have 131 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: a competitive advantage, or you're sitting around you're saying, well 132 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: we have to do does. 133 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: No man are bigger, stronger and faster than women. 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: But underlying all of it, underlying all of it, and 135 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: this has to be remembered, is that trans for example, 136 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: and this is usually what we're talking about in the 137 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: sports context, trans women are women indistinguishable and to be 138 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: treated by society and the law as women, indistinguishable from 139 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: women in all respects, even though they're not women. That 140 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: is the actual foundational mandatory belief of the trans movement 141 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: right is that they transplate what is the phrase trans 142 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: women are women? Yeah, this is what they say. Trans 143 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: women are women, and that's why they should be able 144 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: to play in women's sports. That is a lie. 145 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I think this is important though, and I see this everywhere, 146 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: and people who may not be involved in media, a 147 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: lot of you sit around you say, well, how did 148 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: this happen? It was if you were willing to speak 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: out on this issue. Advertiser said, I can't. I won't 150 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: work with this person anymore, and I'm talking about a 151 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a coincidence 152 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: that that they're, of all companies that should be one 153 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: that recognized, hey, men and women's sports is ridiculous. They 154 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: actually pushed back and they said, even though you, Clay 155 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and your company have made us tens of millions of dollars, 156 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: which we had objective reality you could look at and say, hey, 157 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: people love this, they wouldn't spend money with us anymore. 158 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: And this is how they control what people say, because 159 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: most people are not willing to give up the money. 160 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that 161 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: everybody was as outspoken and as Gladwell is saying there, 162 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: it was just that a lot of companies just pretended 163 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: this didn't happen, or they would say, as they still say, now, 164 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why you care about that, what you 165 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: even care? It doesn't happen that often. It's not that 166 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: big of a this is always that, this is always 167 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: the progression, right, It's not happening. It's not happening that much. 168 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: Why do you care. Okay, it's happening. It's happening a 169 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: little bit. Uh to, It's good, it's happening. Shut your face. 170 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: We're in charge now. 171 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: And this is this is this was COVID, this is 172 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: trans this, this is that is the the slippery slope 173 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: of leftism in America today. It has to progressivism, it 174 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 3: has to progress The argument always has to go to 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: the next level. And it's all based on lies, because 176 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: of course it is happening, because they know what's happening, 177 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: and they know it's wrong, and they know they want 178 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: to do more of it, but they use an incrementalist 179 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: strategy to chip away at things. And for Gladwell to 180 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: come out now, Clay, yeah, because everything has changed now 181 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: now you can say it now you can actually because 182 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: people like me spoke out so hard and took the 183 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: slings and arrows. I will say Buck, I give him 184 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: some credit for acknowledging he was wrong. Because what a 185 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: lot of people are gonna do is they're going to 186 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: wait another couple of years and they're gonna come they're 187 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: gonna say, well, everybody knew this was ridiculous all along, 188 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: and an end that they never actually argued otherwise yeah. 189 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: I mean that's particularly gross, right, But that will happen. 190 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: I think that that is true. 191 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Five years from now, there will not be a single 192 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: man in America who will say I ever thought it 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: was okay? Oh no, no man pretending to be women were competing. 194 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: I disagree with that. 195 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: There will be people, Clay, There are people that will 196 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: take this to the very end, and they think that 197 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: they can get a rebound with this in time. All 198 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: they have to do that. They think that they will 199 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: find their way back into power, back into the culture. 200 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: Twenty percent of the country is never going to abandon this. 201 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: Twenty percent of the country is certifiably insane. I mean 202 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: they think that Kamala Harris was a good candidate and 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's brain was working. 204 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: These people are nuts. Well, I say this, I mean 205 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: people who are actual. 206 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: Sportsmans, right, because I understand on some level, if you stay, 207 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: if you don't know anything about sports and you think, like, hey, 208 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe Serena Williams is better than Roger Federer at tennis, 209 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe they should play and maybe the woman would win. 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: I actually give them a pass because they're so clueless 211 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: on the difference of biology. But any man, I mean 212 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: this Honestly, any man who has ever played a high school, college, 213 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: and certainly a pro sport knows that the idea of 214 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: men being able to compete in women's sports was on 215 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: its face, laughably absurd. And where it matters is if 216 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: they can get you to argue that, or if they 217 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: can get you to stay silent on that, they can 218 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: keep advancing the UH, the the the left wing agenda 219 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: because they cowed you into silence. 220 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you well, and you're you've you've basically become complicit 221 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: in your own cowardice uh and your own silencing. And 222 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 3: if they can get you to say something that's that crazy, 223 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: they can get you to say anything. That's the whole point. 224 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: If they can get you to believe this, they can 225 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: get you to believe that you know that the sky 226 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 3: is purple, and you know the the earth is is flat, 227 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: and you name it. And that's that's a very powerful 228 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: tool of psychological manipulation because it's degrading when that, when 229 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: the state or society forces you to mouth a lie, 230 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: to say the slogans that they demand that you know 231 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: are false, it degrades you psychologically. Yeah, the point they 232 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: do this in Alttalitarian regimes, by the way, and they 233 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: do it purposefully. Yeah, and let me say this too. 234 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: I think the one thing I will say additionally in 235 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: favor of Gladwell is this, I think America would be 236 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: far better if we all acknowledge when we get things wrong. 237 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody out there listening expects for 238 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: you or me to get everything right. I think when 239 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: we claim that we never get anything wrong, it actually 240 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: delegitimizes the things that we get right. And I do 241 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: think Malcolm Gladwell coming out and saying yes, it's convenient now. Yes, 242 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the consequences and the stakes and the punishment for being 243 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: on the quote unquote wrong side of the Ledger on 244 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: this issue are much demnimized because we won this battle 245 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: so far. But I do think being willing to acknowledge 246 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: we've said it. I said it was gonna be a 247 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: red tsunami in twenty twenty two, didn't get it. 248 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: I had to wear it like I was wrong. 249 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: Now, we got a lot right about the twenty twenty 250 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: four election, but I don't think people out there trusted 251 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: us less because you got something wrong. Because everybody gets 252 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: things wrong. Well, that's a prediction too. 253 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a difference between a prediction, which is inherently uncertain, 254 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: and telling a lie. Yes, one goes to analysis and 255 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: nobody's perfect. Another goes to you're selling out and a 256 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: lot of people I will tell you most I know 257 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: one sold out. I won't name them because don't I don't. 258 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: People can always, even people on the other side, if 259 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: they asked to speak to me in confidence, I keep confidence. 260 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: I know some prominent Democrats in the media, Clay who 261 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: would say to me offline, oh, the trance thing is crazy, 262 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: but the agenda's crazy. But I can't say it because 263 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: my side would eat me alive. 264 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, we'll talk. We'll take some of your calls. 265 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: Maybe some of you want to react to that. Also, 266 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: we want to talk about the arrest that happened in England, 267 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: which I actually think is connected to wrong things, which 268 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell was somewhat addressing in the meantime. Look, we're 269 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: a pro military show. We have tons of respect for 270 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: all the brave men and women who give so much 271 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: to defend our country and our freedoms. That's one of 272 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: many reasons we love our sponsor Puretalk. 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I think that there was a very large, 299 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: well funded and powerful pro gay and lesbian you know, 300 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: apparatus agenda organizations out there, and then we got to Obergafell, 301 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: and then there was this whole what do these organizations 302 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: do now? 303 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: Right? 304 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: What do they do now? 305 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: Like? 306 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: What's what's okay? The obergerfell happens and now and so 307 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: now what? And I think that there was a a 308 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about on an individual basis so much 309 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: as an organizational entity, you know, NGO basis with Clay, 310 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: I think that the decision was made, well, now we 311 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: got to go all in on the on the trand stuff, 312 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 3: on the T stuff. And I do think that it 313 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: is it is backfiring because it is rooted in what 314 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: is fundamentally untrue, which is I think man can be 315 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: a woman and vice versa. 316 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I think a lot of gay people are ready to 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: kick the teas to the curb. I think they're like, 318 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: there is a big difference, candidly, I mean that's a 319 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: big and I don't even know what the rest of LGBTQ. 320 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: I like, I don't even know where the rest of the. 321 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: Intersects are a sexual and then anything else you can think, okay, 322 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: all right, So there's a big difference there, and I 323 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: think a lot of gay people are over being connected 324 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: to some of this craziness. Gay people don't think it's 325 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: right to chop kids genitals off when they're twelve. 326 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is bonker stuff, all right. 327 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: The price of goal hit another all time time high 328 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: price yesterday, more than thirty six hundred dollars an ounce. 329 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: And the reason behind that value increase world of instability, 330 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: currencies under pressure. If you saw the photos of leaders 331 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: of China, Indian and Russia together in China yesterday, that's 332 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: all you need to know. 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Text Buck to ninety eight ninety eight 348 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: ninety eight. 349 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Today, Benchpireau of the Daily Wire is going to join 350 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: us at the top of the next hour. He's got 351 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: a new book out and he'll be in our New 352 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: York City studios. So just FYI, that's what's coming in 353 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: the next hour, and I bet we will get into 354 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that with them with him. This story coming out of 355 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: out of England, and this to me ties in with 356 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: what I just shared with you about you're not allowed 357 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: to say that men shouldn't be able to compete in 358 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: women's sports. Oh, that's anti trans that's an unacceptable opinion. 359 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: And if you say it, We'll restrict your ability to 360 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: make a living, We'll try to attack the company that 361 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: you run, we will pull back from you. I think 362 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: what you are seeing is many countries in Europe that 363 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: otherwise we see as peer group nations are now severely 364 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: curtailing free speech even as it pertains to jokes. And 365 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: I have made this argument. It's in my new book 366 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: that's going to be out in November. I made it 367 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: in the most recent book that I wrote, American Playbook. 368 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes there are opportunities that you never would have believed 369 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: that are real. This is one of them that I 370 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: think is out there culturally that should be grabbed by 371 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Republicans should be people who like jokes. 372 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: And I give credit to JD. Vance because I think 373 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: younger Republicans get it. South Park came after JD. Vance 374 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: and Marco Rubio and a lot of other people on 375 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: the right and they just laughed at it. I give 376 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: credit to people who can be targets of humor and say, hey, 377 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: make fun of me as much as you want. 378 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: Jokes are good. 379 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: And this decision that there are jokes that can be 380 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: made that would lead to when you get off of 381 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: a plane in England, five armed officers immediately grab you, 382 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: and and and and basically start the process of whether 383 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: you can enter the country or not. 384 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: I think the content, though, of the joke, is important 385 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: to get out there right away, which is trans stuff. Yes, 386 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: that's why I'm saying it's connected, yes, right right, yeah, 387 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: But that's you make trans jokes or even just trans 388 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: statements or you know that are viewed as quote, anti trans, 389 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: you can get arrested. If you make whatterviewed as anti 390 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: Buzzlim or anti immigrant statements, you can get arrested. It's 391 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: very clear. You'll notice there's nothing that you can say 392 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: that will upset right wing people in the UK that 393 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: will get you arrested. That's it's only this global internationalist 394 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: sorrows sponsored leftism that and all that that encompasses that 395 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 3: will get you arrested in the UK. And I don't know, 396 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: I mean to me, the United Kingdom. I think it's 397 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: on a glide path into the side of the mountain, 398 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: so to speak. I'm not sure that they can they 399 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: can fix this clay because you don't see anybody of 400 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: any heft or particular in politics. 401 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: You see JK. 402 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: Rowling on the literary side on this issue. But you 403 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: know the fact that they could allow this stuff to 404 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: happen and then they arrested this guy when he came back, 405 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 3: and the airline was the airline coordinated, made sure that 406 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: they're I mean, the true of this guy like an 407 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: international terrorist. It's like Carlos to Jackal was getting off 408 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: the plane at Heathrow. 409 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: I think this this directly ties in with what I 410 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: told you about what happened with fan duel and what 411 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: happened with my business. I give immense credit to JK. 412 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: Rowling. 413 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: She wrote probably the best children's book series of all time. 414 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: WHOA. C. S. Lewis wants a word? 415 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: Why? I am telling you more people read that. 416 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: I've got my ten year old reading the Harry Potter 417 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: books right now. People don't read anymore, And I think 418 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: the reason we have any readers at all who are 419 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: in their twenties is to a large extent JK. Rowing 420 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: She was a billionaire, is a billionaire. She could have 421 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: stayed out of the fray. She was not willing to 422 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: stay silent, and I think most people are not JK. 423 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: Rolly. 424 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: They make their money and they want to stay in 425 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: the good graces and they want to get on the 426 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: right charity boards, and they want to make sure that 427 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: they're considered to be quote unquote good people, and so 428 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: they were willing to follow a lie to the point 429 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: now where comedians who make jokes about trans people. And 430 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: by the way, you should be able to make jokes 431 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: about everybody, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, trans, whatever 432 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: your background is. You should not be immune from ridicule 433 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: or use of humor against you, satire or any other 434 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: device because of your identity. And this is I think 435 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: one of the most most important things that Republicans should 436 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: get behind. Sometimes you get made fun of and a 437 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: joke stings. Sometimes it can even hurt. That's okay, that's 438 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: being a grown up. It's more important people. You should 439 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: see what some of the things people sometimes say, even 440 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: mean things about me. I know it's hard to believe, 441 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: but you have to accept that in a free society 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: sometimes people are going to say awful things about you 443 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: in order for free speech to flourish. And England has 444 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 1: basically decided if you are in a protected class in 445 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: their mind, then you are not allowed to be made 446 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: front of and you can actually arrest people. And this 447 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: is not just England, this is Germany, this is France, 448 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: this is all over the western. 449 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Canada with the trans stuff in particular. But Clay, 450 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: how do you We're turning a little bit here to 451 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: the discussion about Malcolm Gladwell because you're saying I give 452 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 3: him credit, and when you said that, I it it, 453 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 3: I'm not. It grates my ears a little bit. And 454 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: I think this maybe goes to, you know, Clay as 455 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 3: the jollier, the jollier of the duo. He's the he's 456 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 3: the more willing to say, yeah, I like that guy, 457 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: Clay likes more. Clay likes more people than I do. 458 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: But I would say this, Uh, what's the difference or 459 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 3: how do you differentiate between somebody who was taking the 460 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 3: popular position then and someone who's just taking the more 461 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: popular position now, as in is it opportunism or is 462 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: it an admission? Because right now the winds of culture 463 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: are blowing very strongly in the Yeah, we can't have 464 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 3: two hundred guys named Tom pretending that they're named Talia 465 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: and uh and you know, crush all the girls on 466 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: the women's lacrosse team. 467 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: I expect that most people are cowards and COVID convinced 468 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: me that most people are cowards, and much like you, 469 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: I am not over that, and some cowardice I tend 470 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: to be lenient on because sometimes the best thing for 471 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: your family can be that you be cowardly. And some 472 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: people are going to get fired up about that. But 473 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I think of things 474 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: as like a hierarchy. 475 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: Right. 476 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: Number one to me, your most responsible obligation to me, 477 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: people can argue about this is your family. I mean 478 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: people who are alive in your world, that live inside 479 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: of your home. Your job is to be absolutely loyal 480 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to your kids, to your spouse, like that is the 481 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: people that you go to war for first, right, then 482 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: other family members other things. 483 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: Right. 484 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: So, I think there are a lot of people out 485 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: there listening who have a job, and I know that 486 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: all of you are nodding along a ton of you 487 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: right now. And they say early on in that trans world, 488 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: if I had gone out and I had said some 489 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: of the things that you said, Clay, I might have 490 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: gotten fired. 491 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: And my number one job is to take care of right. 492 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: You and I said, But this is a different thing now. 493 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: I'm talking about public figures with a lot of money 494 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 3: and a lot of influence. These are the people that 495 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: I have particular contempt for because at some point in time, 496 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: and I don't know you can draw the line on 497 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: whatever's because that's going. 498 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: To be clear. 499 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: I've been telling kids, like college kids for years when 500 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: they come up at like a live event or speech 501 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: or whatever. I've been doing this now for fifteen going 502 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: on sixteen years. They say, should I write a paper 503 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: where I tell my communist professor like the true I'm like, no, 504 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: write a paper where you don't lie. I think it's 505 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: Voltaire like everything you say should be true, but you 506 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 3: don't have to say everything that is true. Right, So lie, 507 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: But don't think you're gonna have some You're just gonna 508 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: get an f and then you're not gonna get the 509 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: job or the graduate opportunity you want, et cetera, et cetera. Right, Like, 510 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: there's no point in charging a machine gun nest that 511 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: you're just gonna get mowed down and being their casualty. 512 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: But we're talking about people that actually have the power, 513 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: the influence, the sway, and the and the perceived obligation 514 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: to publicly speak the truth. And what I'm asking you is, 515 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: you know, is Gladwell on this issue a convert or 516 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 3: an opportunist. 517 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a good question. 518 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: I will say that he knew what he was saying 519 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: was a lie when he said it, but at least 520 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: he's willing to admit it now, and that's where I'm 521 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: giving him some form of grace. 522 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: And that's a distinction. 523 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: That's a distinction. 524 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people are never going to admit 525 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: that they were wrong, and in the years ahead, they're 526 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: gonna compt They're gonna they're going to pretend that they 527 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: never said or acted out in a way that that 528 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: that they have changed. 529 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: So I think you've established that, And I'm glad we 530 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 3: I asked you about this because the standard really then 531 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: is maybe there were people who truly believed this then 532 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: and now they don't believe it. That's one oper that's 533 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: one possibilit as in they really your mind can happen, right, 534 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: But then there's the people who knew it was a 535 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: lie when along with it as a lie, and now 536 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: are no longer going along with it as a lie. 537 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: And you say, okay, what is your motivation for no 538 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: longer going along with it? Is that you're a shame 539 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: that you were lying? Or is that you realize it's 540 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: better to tell the truth. Now. 541 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: I think there are people who are a shamed because 542 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: they know they were lying, and they are now aware 543 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: that the consequences for telling the truth are less significant, 544 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: and so they come out and they now have this 545 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: public statement. Where I give Gladwell credit is he could 546 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: just have pretended this never happened, right. A lot of 547 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: people who are wrong on things just pretend that that 548 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: never happened, and then they just move on and ten 549 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: fifteen years from now they would never acknowledge. For instance, 550 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: there are people listening to us right now that in 551 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: the early days of COVID were super angry at some 552 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: of the things that you and I said, and super 553 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: angry at some of the things that you and I did, 554 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: and then over time they realized that they had been 555 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: lied to when we were correct. I give people grace 556 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: for recognizing that they've been wrong. This is why I 557 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: try to be as public as I can about the 558 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: way that I've voted in the past. I think I 559 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: got elections wrong. I think I supported people who, in retrospect, 560 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I shouldn't have. And that's what 561 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: I think age and wisdom can provide is better clarity. 562 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: You can learn from the errors of your ways in 563 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: the past. That's my hope. Basically the whole purpose of aging. 564 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: To me, if you believe the exact same things at 565 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: twelve as you did at eighty, and vice versa, I 566 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: would suggest your life experience has probably not been that 567 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: expansive anyway. The people that I'm still angry about, though, 568 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: are at some point, what is the point of having 569 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: FU money if you don't say exactly what you think. 570 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: That's the benefit to me of wealth is no one 571 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: can make my family have to struggle for the rest 572 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: of my life to live, to have lodging, to live 573 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: a high quality of life. So I don't care what 574 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: anybody thinks about any of my opinions because they can't 575 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: do anything to me. That's to me, the best thing 576 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: about having FU money. For all the people out there 577 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: that are shrinking violets and know the truth and have 578 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: more money than they could ever spend, and some of 579 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: you are listening to me right now, why are you 580 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: such cowards? 581 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: Again? 582 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: The point I was making, Bucket is I understand when 583 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: you got college tuition to pay, when you've got a 584 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: job that you got to have, when you got a 585 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: mortgage to pay. I understand why discretion can be the 586 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: better side of valor. But if you got real money, 587 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: sack up and own what you believe and stop being 588 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: a complete and total pussy willow, because those are the 589 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: people I get mad about. 590 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: And just to bring it back to the England to 591 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: rest for one second for anyone who says, why should 592 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: we care? The Democrat part already wishes they could do 593 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: to you what just happened to this comedian in England. Yes, truly, 594 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 3: without exaggeration, they wish that you too could be arrested 595 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: getting off a plane for making an anti trans joke 596 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 3: or making a joke about trans period, because you're erasing trans, 597 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 3: because you're part of the trans genocide. They want to 598 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: do this to you too, and they want to do 599 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: it now now thanks to Trump and Conservatives and the 600 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: Republican Party and the right, currently they can't do that, 601 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: at least not really, but they want to do it. 602 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: And I think that's why it's important for us to 603 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: see that this is happening not in North Korea. This 604 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: is happening in England. This is happening in the United Kingdom. 605 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: This is happening in the country that other than Canada's 606 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 3: probably the closest to us in terms of our sense 607 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: of rule of law and freedom and everything else of 608 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: any country in the world. So it's important to take 609 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: note of this. You know, President Trump wants to see 610 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 3: our country emerge as the leader in artificial intelligence. We 611 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: had it, and then the Biden administration squandered some of 612 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: that lead. And now China, India, Russia they're working together 613 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 3: and they're trying to outpace us on this. This is 614 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: a big deal. Trump sees this as a crucial technology 615 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: for American leadership in national security and the economy. AI 616 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: is going to be the most valuable resource that we've 617 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: got going forward. And this administration is planning and that's 618 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: to meet a trillion dollar plus investment drawing in multiple partners. 619 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: It's what I call Manhattan Project too, to take back 620 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: our lead in the AI arms race and potentially engage 621 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: a handful of US firms with billions in new contracts. 622 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 3: And this could trigger an investment boom in a handful 623 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: of companies as soon as October fifteenth. I break it 624 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: all down in a brand new interview, including the companies 625 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: I believe could soar when this happens. Find this new 626 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 3: interview in all the details at a website. We're taking 627 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 3: this off air, so to speak. Go to off air 628 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: twenty five dot com. Watch this presentation and subscribe today 629 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 3: off air twenty five dot com. That's off air twenty 630 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 3: five dot com paid for by Paradigm Press. 631 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 2: News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay 632 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: Travis at Buck Sexton. 633 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 634 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 635 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We've got 636 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 3: we've got Ben Shapiro joining us in a few minutes 637 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 3: talk about well, what's going on in the world, and 638 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 3: also he's got a new book out. We're looking forward 639 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 3: to talking to Ben about that. We got a lot 640 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: of talkbacks and emails and all these things. Oh my, 641 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: and let's start with you know what. We haven't had 642 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 3: a Miami talkback in a couple of days. D d 643 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 3: Osvaldough from Miami who listens on six to ten wiod 644 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: play it, Hey. 645 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 5: Clay and Buck and unintended consequence of overthrowing Maduro is 646 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 5: that hundreds of thousands of Venezuela's here in the United 647 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 5: States will no longer be able to claim political asylum, 648 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 5: and in fact, many thousands of them would probably be 649 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 5: glad to return to a true democracy if we can 650 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 5: achieve that. And the same goes for Cuba. 651 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: So just to be clear, that sounds to me like 652 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: Osvaldo is like, let's overthrow Maduro, right, I mean, that's 653 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: that he said unintended consequence, But I feel like that's 654 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: the intended consequences that that would happen, right, am I 655 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: missing that? 656 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: No? 657 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: For people who missed it, we were talking about the 658 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: attack on the drug vessel off the coast of Venezuela. 659 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: Missill strike on a speedboat against some drug smugglers is 660 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 3: what it was. 661 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: The videotape is out there, and we have brought many 662 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: of our assets in the in the seas closer and 663 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: closer to Venezuela, and I think we are letting Maduro 664 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: know that he's on a short leash. And there are 665 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: in South Florida tons of people who have fled Venezuela 666 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: because the country has basically been taken over by as 667 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: you said, I mean, the Maduro's in many ways the 668 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: head of the narco terrorism that is emanating from Venezuela. 669 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: I mean, he's mad. 670 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 3: He's a designated cartel leader, the actual head of Venezuela 671 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 3: officially by the United States Treasury and by the US government. Therefore, 672 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 3: he's a designated So it's like El Chapo runs Venezuela 673 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 3: now more or less, although Chopo, I know he's in 674 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 3: prison somewhere, right, But yeah, that's like who runs Venezuela effectively, 675 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 3: and so what might happen there as Again, there are 676 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: massive amounts of American assets in the oil industry in 677 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 3: particular that I think there is a hope that we 678 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 3: can unlock in potentially new leadership. 679 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: Again, we'll see what happens with that. We come back, 680 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the Graham Lenehan that is the comedian's name. 681 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: A situation in England with Ben Shapira and cold Play. 682 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: We're gonna beat up on cold Play. 683 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: Let's do it.