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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 3: Relationships and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 3: a sibling.

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Speaker 4: Reivalry.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 3: Ravelry.

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Speaker 2: That's good. I'm really excited, Oliver, because we are interviewing

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Speaker 2: my friend, Riley Kioff. And she is the sweetest, kindest,

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Speaker 2: most loving, wonderful, talented, beautiful human and she has a

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Speaker 2: lot now released her book from Here to the Great Unknown,

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Speaker 2: and she finished sort of the book that her mom

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Speaker 2: had started. And I'm just excited to talk to herself.

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Speaker 3: So that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, it's amazing. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think i've met her, even though she's

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Speaker 3: sort of in the mix with you and you know, Jamie,

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Speaker 3: I think styles her and I don't, but I don't

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Speaker 3: think i've I don't think i've ever met her. She's

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Speaker 3: really she's in for a real treat.

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Speaker 2: Well let's bring her on because Okay, I love her.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Hi, I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yay, I'm so happy you're here. This is so fun.

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Speaker 6: I love your Christmasy background. Hi, Oliver, How are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you good? How you doing?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: Allie was just saying that he doesn't think that you

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Speaker 2: guys have met, and I was, are you sure?

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Speaker 6: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I don't think so. He's just been in

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Speaker 3: the mix in and around Jamie and Kate and posts

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Speaker 3: and outfits and garments and this and this. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's how I know you.

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Speaker 6: You meet you on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well let's get into it because you you know, you've

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Speaker 2: had your book out, which, by the way, how has

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Speaker 2: that been for you?

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Speaker 6: It's been interesting. I Uh, it's very intense, so I

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Speaker 6: it's not like it's normally when you're doing press, you're

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Speaker 6: talking about a thing you worked on or a you know, uh,

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Speaker 6: something that's removed from yourself a lot of the time,

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Speaker 6: and you kind of try and avoid the personal stuff.

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Speaker 6: But with this, it's like only very personal. So it's

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Speaker 6: kind of goes against a lot of my instincts to

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Speaker 6: like keep those things to myself. So it's been very bizarre.

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Speaker 6: But ultimately what's been really wonderful is a lot of

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Speaker 6: the feedback has been really like, uh, very human and

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Speaker 6: like the human like people read it and have real

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Speaker 6: connection to the experience, And I think that that's been

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Speaker 6: something that in my life I haven't experienced a lot

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Speaker 6: because I think there's been such like a separateness with

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Speaker 6: regards to my family that it doesn't feel very human.

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Speaker 6: So I think when people write to me or come

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Speaker 6: up to me at the you know, book talks and stuff,

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Speaker 6: and they have these really relatable experiences, like, that's been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you find that, like also maybe opening up

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Speaker 6: Oh, for sure. Like I really think that for me,

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Speaker 6: there's always Catharsis in honesty and like live and being

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Speaker 6: open in general. So I find personally the more that

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Speaker 6: I carry things alone or don't share them with even friends,

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Speaker 6: they're troublesome to me. So I in my life like

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Speaker 6: to always, you know, share what I'm going through or

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Speaker 6: what my experience is. So I do think that taking

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Speaker 6: is healing.

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Speaker 3: Is that something that you will you said you weren't

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Speaker 3: even able to do with friends at some point, meaning

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Speaker 3: you know you keep things inside generally or are you

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Speaker 6: I'm pretty open, but I think that there are times

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Speaker 6: when I've gone through experiences where I just think, you know,

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Speaker 6: I'll get through this by myself, and then it gets

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Speaker 6: so much better that I've shared this experience with a

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Speaker 6: sort of human connection is really important.

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Speaker 2: I want to add to this. I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: maybe not, but I know that there's a part of

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Speaker 2: very protective of my family's way of how they want

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Speaker 2: sometimes you don't can't really share this huge part of

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Speaker 2: your life that even if you wanted to express it

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Speaker 2: and protecting everyone else, you sort of keep it in.

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Speaker 2: And and I think that that that sometimes when you start

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Speaker 2: to kind of open it up. I think for Olliver

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Speaker 2: and I that happened on this podcast a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's like we sort of started to be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's so this is this actually is our life? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my own life, Like we kind of have to talk

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Speaker 2: about things and open it up that once you do,

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Speaker 6: Why was I so weird about this?

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Speaker 2: Why was I so weird? And it's really because you

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Speaker 2: feel like you're I think like protecting your your your mom,

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Speaker 2: or you're or you know, your grand you know, it's

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Speaker 2: like Rider. I think about Rider, Like what's going to

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Speaker 2: his great parents or his parents? Like you become sort

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Speaker 2: of a politician about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what you're doing with a book that is

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Speaker 3: expressive and sort of telling your truth is you're able

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Speaker 3: to control the narrative, you know you. And then that

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Speaker 3: book goes out there with with what I found, with

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Speaker 3: what Katie and I do on this podcast, where yes,

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Speaker 3: there has been a freedom, you know, sort of an openness.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it's all clickbait and it's picked

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Speaker 3: up like Olarah Hudson fucking hates.

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Speaker 6: It's so silly. That stuff so silly, And I do

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Speaker 6: feel lucky that it doesn't really affect me, like I

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Speaker 6: I understand the need to like create clickbait and and

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Speaker 6: it's so silly because you open up the article and

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Speaker 6: it's like totally out of context and yeah.

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Speaker 3: And we're all victims. Like I'll click on things like

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Speaker 3: you know, shark like tears off somewhere. Oh what is that?

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Speaker 6: Click on?

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Speaker 3: But then you click on it's just such a disappointment.

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Speaker 2: Riley, what was your childhood? Like, I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: it's like a really big question, but you know, how

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Speaker 6: I'm able to see that I grew up in an

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Speaker 6: when you talk about when we talk about like secrecy

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Speaker 6: and stuff, like when I was growing up, it was

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Speaker 6: so like everything was very locked down. There was no

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Speaker 6: or you know, like it was very uh private, like

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Speaker 6: they'd be like, where are you from? She'd like make

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Speaker 6: Like people didn't really share their whole lives on Instagram

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Speaker 6: was very like embarrassing something.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a different world now, but you know, it

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Speaker 6: you experienced, you know, generations of what that felt like.

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Speaker 6: But it was like there wasn't so many famous people,

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Speaker 6: and it was just like intense, it was like, but

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Speaker 3: So it was just you know, like you did you

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Speaker 3: do you remember at first of how old were you

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Speaker 3: when she was like sort of the most famous, you know, only.

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Speaker 6: Birth until I was like when I was about seventeen.

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Speaker 3: At calm down, Okay, So did you feel did you

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Speaker 3: feel like you a part of you just didn't like this,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, was there a rebellious nature to it?

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Speaker 3: Did you welcome it? You know? I mean speaking of clickbait,

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Speaker 3: I was like, leave me the fuck alone, right, And

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Speaker 3: I expressed that story, and literally the headlines were Oliver

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Speaker 3: like hated his mother's fans, like that was that was

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Speaker 3: the headline. But you know, how did you how did

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Speaker 6: I don't That's an interesting question. But I don't think

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Speaker 6: I kind of like just lived in it, like I uh,

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Speaker 6: go to school, they're Like. What I didn't like was

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Speaker 6: have genuine experiences as a kid. Like they'd sit outside

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: So I remember when I was like fourteen or fifteen,

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Speaker 6: and I begged my mom to please not have security

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Speaker 6: to have someone following me around. Yeah, And then I

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Speaker 6: I was, I'm so upset, you know, like I was.

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Speaker 6: I was so embarrassed and so upset. But my friends

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Speaker 6: really mad. So I think there were a couple of

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Speaker 6: like my life right now is very simple, and so

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Speaker 6: I definitely prefer like, for example, like I have a

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Speaker 2: And I really think it's what you put out.

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Speaker 3: I'm opposite. I'm opposite. I have sy security, I have

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Speaker 2: You think about it though, like Elvis is your grandpa, Like,

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Speaker 3: Well, our father actually with our connection is our dad cured.

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Speaker 6: Scene with I think you told me this, I need

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Then he nominated for Golden Globe for playing.

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Speaker 2: Played Elvis and what like changed his career. And then

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Speaker 6: That's right, So you just told me this, that's say.

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Speaker 6: It's true and and you know, all for all the

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Speaker 6: There's no headline, you know. It was just like I

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Speaker 6: people keep asking, well, then why are you, you know,

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Speaker 3: Do that's funny. No, I know, it's it's it's funny, kay.

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Speaker 6: Sort of how it is. It's like if you're growing

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Speaker 2: It's also an amazing industry with a million different things

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Speaker 3: Horticulture, like greenery. I mean, if you could take anything,

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Speaker 2: Back to like your childhood, you know, so you when

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Speaker 6: I don't think. I'm sure it's the same experience you

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Speaker 6: It's just like what they know, you know, and like

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Speaker 2: Sure I don't know it is Elvis.

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Speaker 6: Right, But I think that Ronnie or all your children

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that, like my the performer part of me

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Speaker 6: I definitely do work that's more. You don't know what

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Speaker 6: That's just fun for me. I like things that make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember when my when I my my

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Speaker 6: I think what was exciting about that was that it

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Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty amazing. I just think you're so

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Speaker 3: You should try doing sitcoms multi multi Riley. You just

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Speaker 6: I through through my journey in this industry, trying different things,

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Speaker 6: on it, and I think that I don't know if

439
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 6: I would I don't know if I would get hired

440
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 6: for a sitcom.

441
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: You never know, you never know, you never know. Do

442
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: you feel like that, you know? I think, I guess

443
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: it's weird for me to ask these questions because I

444
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: feel like I get asked these questions all the time,

445
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: and sometimes they are just such annoying questions. But do

446
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 2: you feel like you were treated differently than other people

447
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: in the industry just based on your your family?

448
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: I think It's a good question to ask because you

449
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: you can relate, you know what.

450
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 6: I mean, there's I'm really curious if you relate to

451
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 6: this because you have a different last name. And I

452
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 6: had actually a lot of experiences where people didn't know

453
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 6: and I would go in an audition and like people

454
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 6: had no idea, and I'm really lucky that I had that.

455
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 6: And even like up until my mom passed away, there

456
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 6: would be a lot of times where I would be

457
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 6: on a movie set and people, you know, in the cast,

458
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 6: like close people would be like, wait, you're Elvis's granddaughter. Like,

459
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 6: so I there was a separation that occurred that I

460
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 6: was a little bit undercover, like when I started auditioning

461
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 6: regularly and just going in rooms, like I was just

462
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 6: doing the whole cattle call thing, and I don't think

463
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 6: people necessarily knew it.

464
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar so like because I had a last name,

465
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: like some people did because they.

466
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 6: Knew people family friends or something.

467
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all in all, like because of my last name,

468
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: there wasn't it wasn't the same. Yeah. Even when I

469
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: did my first movie, I did this, like or one

470
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: of my first movies, like I play this Irish girl,

471
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: and like people in Ireland actually thought it was like

472
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: a new upcoming Irish actress. I was like, yes, this

473
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: is the best.

474
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: I was the opposite. I'd go into auditions on the

475
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: sign and sheet and write Oliver Hudson Goldiehan's son.

476
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 5: I think.

477
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 6: It's funny, like I think in hindsight, my mom was

478
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 6: so like weird about being a celebrity kid that I

479
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 6: walked around with like an embarrassment of it.

480
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: Like she was very me. I was the same way.

481
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So her kind of the way she was was

482
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 6: very much like, don't be an embarrassing celebrity kid, don't

483
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 6: do don't be you know, all these sort of tropes

484
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 6: like don't fall into these stereotypes and if you like

485
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 6: her if she she really felt like she really didn't

486
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 6: like attention. She was very like her experience being a

487
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 6: very famous child was like I don't want this, like

488
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 6: very much like I don't want this and I actually

489
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 6: hate it. So that was projected onto us growing up too,

490
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 6: which was like you don't go places unless you have to,

491
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 6: you don't show up to the thing, Like there was

492
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 6: no enjoying of the the or basking and the fame.

493
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 6: It was like I hate it. I hate it so right,

494
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 6: that was her vibe, and so that was kind.

495
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: Of very nineties. It's a very eighties nineties vibe.

496
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 6: Right yeah. Yeah, yeah, so it was like very much

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 6: like uh yeah, so I think there was a part

498
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 6: of me that felt a little embarrassed.

499
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was embarrassed. I also just didn't want anyone

500
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: to know, right. You know that was a big.

501
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: Thing for me, because are like two separate things, right,

502
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: You're talking about more of like being a young kid,

503
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: and for your mom, I'm assuming it was like what

504
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: what what you would see a lot of which is

505
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: like you know, even if you were like so many

506
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: acts or is back in the nineties and stuff would

507
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: be like, you know, you only did David Letterman and

508
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: like maybe a junket and like you never talked about things. Yeah,

509
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't talk to a reporter. I don't,

510
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: I won't. I'm not going to do that. Like it

511
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: was like cool to not not do it.

512
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I do think that it probably like

513
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 6: what you were saying, Oliver, like I'd also had that

514
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 6: outside of work where I didn't tell I didn't want

515
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 6: and I say this with my little sisters, like you

516
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 6: don't they didn't want people to know, because I think

517
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 6: they wanted. I wanted to like have genuine connections with

518
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 6: people and friendships. So I definitely like wasn't telling people,

519
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: and I would go really far with it and pretend

520
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 6: that like you know, I don't know, like try and

521
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 6: be just a person that.

522
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. I would make it a

523
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: point to have you know, make people not know, you know,

524
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was going to camp and like that

525
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: was Blonwe we told the story a million times, but

526
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: like you know, basically Mom revealed herself in a crazy

527
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: way at camp and we're trying to be anonymous and

528
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: a seaplane flies over and she gets out. She goes, yeah,

529
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm here. I mean it was like intense, right.

530
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: I had like three different names that I would like

531
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: like my my, like rotating personalities with like different accents.

532
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: You know.

533
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 6: I think that I think the harder parts have been

534
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 6: would be to me informing genuine connections and as a

535
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 6: kid and that kind of thing and just wanting to yeah,

536
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 6: present as a person.

537
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: When you know, when your mom passed, you know, I

538
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: have to say, like watching you and I told you

539
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: this in person, but I watching the way that you've

540
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 2: really kind of like you know, been talking about it

541
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: and expressing yourself around your mother is such a I

542
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: don't brave. It feels like such a silly word, but

543
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: it just it. I guess I really admire it because

544
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: you're it must be so hard to do, you know,

545
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: to like finish the work of your mom. You know,

546
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: I know this book is really your mom was working

547
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: on it and you sort of then were really like

548
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: had to see something through for her and then to

549
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: go out and then talk about her and talk about

550
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: your relationship with her, Like you're doing it in such

551
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: a graceful, wonderful way, and I just I really do

552
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: admire it. Riley. It's it's it must at some moments

553
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: feel very challenging, but maybe I'm maybe I'm just projecting.

554
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 6: I think it's challenging because it's really counterintuitive, like and

555
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 6: that's what I've had to really work through, like being

556
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 6: open about my family and again, like it was always

557
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 6: like secret secrets, don't talk about this, and the fact

558
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 6: that my mom even wanted to write a book was

559
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 6: really out of character kind of but I think it

560
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 6: was just towards the end of her life or and

561
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 6: she was reflecting on a lot of things and feeling

562
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 6: like if she shared these things with other people that

563
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 6: they might relate in like the human experience and not

564
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 6: feel so alone in the world. And that was so

565
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 6: important to her that that has kind of pushed me through,

566
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 6: you know, the uncomfortable moments, and and it's it's ego

567
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 6: for me, you know, it's like my ego is like, oh,

568
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 6: don't don't do that, Like it's I don't know, I

569
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 6: can't explain it, but I feel very like it's not

570
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 6: me I would have chosen to do.

571
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: I was just about to ask that question, how much

572
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: of how much of this is for your mother and

573
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: how much of this is for yourself doing this book?

574
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 6: It's one hundred percent from my mother, and it's in

575
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 6: fact makes me a little bit uncomfortable sometimes. But the

576
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: way through that to me is just being open and

577
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 6: and gen you know, as opposed to like closed off

578
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 6: and deserve men.

579
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: That's interesting because it's one hundred percent for your mom,

580
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: which means that you would never have done this, you

581
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: know normally. Right, So now after you have done it,

582
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: would you say that that percentage has changed a little

583
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: bit after you have completed it and gone through some

584
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: of the processes of promoting or is still one hundred

585
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: percent or are you like, you know what, I'm taking

586
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: something from this now, but I didn't think I was

587
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: going to.

588
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: I think that I really have, like the it's actually

589
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 6: a privilege to be able to publish a book with

590
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 6: your family's history in it, and I actually think it's

591
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 6: such an amazing thing to leave also to my daughter

592
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: and my grandchildren. And so that part of this has

593
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 6: been for me in a sense, like I think it's

594
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 6: really amazing to have this book that now my grandchildren

595
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 6: can read and that exists forever. So that's for selfishly,

596
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 6: I that's what I like about this process, is that

597
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 6: this thing exists now that you know, my children can

598
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: read and their children can read. And then I think

599
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 6: that back to what we were saying earlier, like being

600
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 6: super candid and honest, I always find beneficial to myself, Like,

601
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 6: so there's things in this book that are things that

602
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 6: not a lot of people know who are are new

603
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 6: before the book, and detailed experiences of things that were

604
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 6: really traumatic in my life that you knew if you

605
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 6: were in my friend group, but you didn't know if

606
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 6: you're you know, just a human in the world, and

607
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 6: there's something really cathartic about taking things out of like

608
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 6: I was saying, out of the sort of dark and

609
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 6: and anyone to see sort of bearing your heart.

610
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, you talk about like depression and the cycle

611
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: of addiction generationally, and and you know, I I would

612
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: think too that would also kind of like again, like

613
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: they say that it's sort of like you know, breaking

614
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: cycles or like breaking the you know, cutting cutting through

615
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: that circle and maybe starting a different path is also

616
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 2: for your daughter, for your sisters, for yeah, you.

617
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 6: Know, and a lot of people through the press have

618
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 6: kind of said, how does it feel to break the cycle,

619
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 6: And I'm I don't know if I have you know,

620
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 6: it's a lot of it's a lot of pressure to

621
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 6: put on me. I hope it gets broken, but I

622
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 6: don't know if I've done that, you know. So I

623
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: think that that's that's something where I'm I feel like

624
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 6: I was lucky that I didn't get addiction and I didn't.

625
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 6: It wasn't something I was you know, I yeah, it

626
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 6: wasn't something that I chose or didn't choose or was

627
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 6: strong through. It was. I just didn't have that.

628
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: It's it's one of those things, you know, where it

629
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: really it really does, you know, it can really like

630
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: follow it. Like that's why they ask, you know, when

631
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: you're you have a history of depression in your family,

632
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: do you know? And when it affects people, you just

633
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: wish you could just take it. You just wish you

634
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: could take it away, you know, because especially when you

635
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: don't have those experiences, you know, where you don't actually

636
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: relate to it. Yeah, but you see someone suffering.

637
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's a genetic Again, I don't know

638
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: the science, but as far as whether or not, you know,

639
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: addiction is genetic, depressionist genetic, and I think there probably

640
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: is some connection there that learned you know, nature, nurture,

641
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 3: learned behavior or not. You know. But with your kid,

642
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: I mean, is this something that you will be hyper

643
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: aware of as she grows.

644
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 6: It's something that I am definitely I'm gonna think about

645
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 6: because I didn't as a kid, you know, I didn't

646
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 6: really I guess there was in hindsight, addiction sort of

647
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 6: growing all around me, but there wasn't really an awareness

648
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 6: of it. It would just to me felt like we

649
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: like to party a lot, you know, I didn't feel problematic.

650
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 6: So now definitely my like awareness of addiction is much stronger,

651
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 6: and I think I do have anxiety around it, you.

652
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I always think too.

653
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: I wonder I would be interesting to talk to like

654
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: someone who studies it. But I always think it's just

655
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: the right brain thing. Like very creative people who lean

656
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 2: more right brain, they don't have a lot of access

657
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: to the linear. And this is just me. I could

658
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: talking about something I don't really know, just my you know,

659
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: I guess a theory. But is that that because that

660
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: is sort of where depression sits. It's where anxiety. It's

661
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: all right brained activity that if if you're too overstimulated

662
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: in your right brain, or if that's the thing that's

663
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: working all the time, that it's going to lend itself

664
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: to you know, depression, which I think also is probably

665
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: interconnected with addiction. But that would be actually a really

666
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: interesting podcast, Oliver, that we haven't done.

667
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 6: You should talk to an addiction specialist. I mean, it's

668
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 6: so that's what's so. Yeah, It's like there's so many stories,

669
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 6: like so many different versions of it. Like my mom's

670
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 6: was so weird. She wasn't an addict at all, and

671
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 6: then when she was forty she was so you never.

672
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: Like it's it's that's crazy.

673
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 6: I always wonder about the genetic component.

674
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: I don't know how everyone's a little bit different, you know.

675
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: When it comes to that.

676
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 6: And it's filling, I think it's filling some void or

677
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 6: some whole m h feeling of emptiness and you know

678
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 6: how it gets there, I don't know.

679
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, God, Yeah, sometimes I get nervous, like, you.

680
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: Know, a little.

681
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not drinking a lot.

682
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: I like to drink.

683
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've been better in the last you know,

684
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: couple weeks, meaning I'm not drinking during the week, but

685
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: on the weekend I'll sort of time on. But I

686
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: would get I was in the cycle of like just

687
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: drinking every day and it wasn't just a glass of

688
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: wine or two. I would sit down, but I'd enjoy it.

689
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: I'd be at my computer and googling shit and fishing

690
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: and reading articles, and all of a sudden, I've had

691
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: like eighteen whiskeys and smoked a pack of cigarettes, and

692
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: just like Jesus Christ, dude was like, what the fuck?

693
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: And it was just kept happening.

694
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 6: We also live in a world that's like telling us

695
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: every day that feeling anything negative is wrong. And that

696
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 6: we have to be happy twenty four to seven. I

697
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: think it sets us up to fail because all of

698
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: these things, like depression has a purpose, anxiety as a purpose.

699
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 6: Like we're human beings and we're meant to feel lots

700
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 6: of things, and I think we especially with social media,

701
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 6: and it's just like it's it's there's like labels for

702
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 6: things that are where you feel like then something's fundamentally

703
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 6: wrong with you, Like I have depression. I have anxiety

704
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 6: when it's just like the human condition.

705
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, not with you. I mean I've suffered from

706
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: anxiety since my early twenties. Someone likes the pro and.

707
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 6: Am I anxiety?

708
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah? I have crazy anxiety and like you know, I've

709
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: I've mitigated it with drugs, but you know, I've had

710
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: my bouts where it's been nuts, where I tried to

711
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: wean off and then just fall into this place of

712
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: complete I mean it's I I wouldn't wish it upon

713
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 3: the worst en. I mean, the feeling is so awful.

714
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 6: Dreadful, But I like being told that something is wrong

715
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 6: with you, right in certain situations.

716
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like someone said to me one time, which I

717
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: thought was really great, and just how you talk to

718
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: your kids about it, which is when they're feeling anxiety

719
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: or you're feeling that it's actually like to look at

720
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: it differently, like that's good. That means your brain is

721
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: doing what it's supposed to do. The question then becomes,

722
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: how do we navigate this in this world versus the

723
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 2: world that your brain's living in at the moment, which

724
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: is that fight or flight.

725
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 6: Totally, I think that that's somewhere that we are not

726
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 6: very evolved as like in terms of helping people navigate

727
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 6: through difficult emotions, navigate through anxiety and depression. Like, there's

728
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 6: not a lot of resources that actually are really workable,

729
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 6: and I think that that should be focused on and

730
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 6: not so much that like something's wrong. I don't know,

731
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 6: I just throughout all my experiences something that has not

732
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: been sitting well with me is like the idea that

733
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 6: we're like not meant to feel.

734
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Total, we're part of a billion a billion percent

735
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: and that's what's made it easier for me too. I mean,

736
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: first of all, the idea that you are not your anxiety,

737
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like you were not We

738
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: attach ourselves to those feelings when in reality they're completely separate,

739
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, we are not that feeling. It

740
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: just is a feeling that happens an experience.

741
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like when you're in it. Though, when

742
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: you're in it, it's like you're saying like it's so

743
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: hard to separate that that even someone's saying like you

744
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: are not your anxiety, Ollie, like in those moments, like

745
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: you know, it's like it's even hard.

746
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: It's hard for you to see that, sure, sure, I

747
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: mean you know it's like you eat too much weed

748
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 3: and you're like, I know I'm not going to die

749
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: because you can't from THHC. But that doesn't mean that

750
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: I feel like my heart's about to explode.

751
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 6: No, it doesn't take away like the knowingness of it

752
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: doesn't take away the panic.

753
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: Of a p sure, sure, but it can it can

754
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: sort of just squash that feeling, that that over the

755
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: top feeling where you can ruminate so much that you

756
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 3: lose your shit. You're feeling and it hurts, and there's pain,

757
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: like sometimes physical pain. But when you understand it enough

758
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: and you've been through it enough and experienced it enough

759
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: like I have, you can I can now just say, oh, well,

760
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: I'm feeling this, but all right, I'm cool, I'm not

761
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: going to lose.

762
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 6: Well, I felt this before, right, exactly got through it,

763
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 6: and I yeah, I definitely as you get older, I

764
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 6: think you realize it. Resistance to anything, whether it's anxiety, depression, Yeah,

765
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 6: like anything is like creates more, you know, grow. Resistance

766
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 6: is persistence. I love a bumper sticker, but I really

767
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 6: think that's true.

768
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

769
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: I also think what you're saying is so right, which

770
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: is like some somewhere down the line, like it's this

771
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: idea that you're living. I like the idea of striving

772
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: for like something that feels like optimum, right, Like that's

773
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: it's your right. I love that. But the reality is

774
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: is that that you It's like this, like like if

775
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: you think that the goal is to get to this

776
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: place and that's the that you're and you're going to

777
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: stay there and we're just living in like this weird

778
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: delusional space, Yeah, I do.

779
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: It's so true. I try to almost try to appreciate

780
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: the really amazing moments in the day or in my

781
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: week where it's like, wow, I feel fucking perfect right now.

782
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, it's like I'm incredible. Everything's

783
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: life is. Yeah, it's like everything's lined up for like

784
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: twenty minutes and now that that's gone.

785
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, who's to say maybe the goal

786
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: is is to be in that state all the time.

787
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I know that like no one is,

788
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 6: and that like everybody suffers and has a crazy experience

789
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 6: in this world. And I think that that's where it

790
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 6: gets so personal. It's like somebody's life like experience and

791
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 6: lesson if you will, might be to be optimum the

792
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 6: whole time, and somebody else's might be to grow, you know,

793
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 6: strength through having panic attacks every day, you know. So

794
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 6: it's everyone's so different. So I think that it's like,

795
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 6: you know, accepting your own experience.

796
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: I listened to almost like every morning.

797
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 6: I listened to There's like a rod to like beat

798
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 6: like chill beats.

799
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 5: He's He's just every morning I put on like a

800
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: three to eight minute lecture or pieces of his lecture.

801
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: Where do you hear it? Like on YouTube?

802
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. I'll send yeah, yeah, it's

803
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: it's it's really, it's really something. And the other day

804
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: I listened to this one that was like, you know,

805
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: open heart is basically about like having an open heart

806
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: and listening and like, I think those are two things

807
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: that we're forgetting. No, I say we, I mean that's

808
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: just I think it's two things that would be nice

809
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: to add to all of this, like living your optimum

810
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: life wellness and well, it's like actually having an open

811
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: heart and really listening to somebody or listening to the

812
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: experience that might be happening. It only lends itself to compassion.

813
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: And no matter what someone's experiencing, if you're someone who's

814
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: really looking to like lead their life in that way,

815
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: then you're only gonna let in compassionate connectivity. And there's

816
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: something about that, Like if someone's struggling or suffering and

817
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: people are like, I want to help this, I want

818
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: to fix this. Sometimes what really it just is is

819
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: just being like is just really hearing them?

820
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I know it's it's it's it's tough

821
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: because I'm so with you and I look trust me,

822
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 3: I like, I love a good Brahm dos or quote

823
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: or the fuzzy feelings of these things.

824
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: Not leading with your open heart.

825
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: No, but listen to me, Listen to me, because what

826
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: happens is you hear these inspirational sort of teachings and

827
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: sayings and in the moment you're like yeah, oh yes,

828
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: uh and then it ends and you're like, okay, now what,

829
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: like how do I do that?

830
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 6: Implement?

831
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: How do I implement that? And then and then and

832
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: then speaking to your thing about open heart and compassion

833
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: and all these things. I totally agree. I wish there

834
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: was self help that takes into account all of the

835
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: trauma or pain or the things that won't allow you

836
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: to actually open up and feel those things because we

837
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: all are calloused with that. It's easy to hear it

838
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: and it maybe makes you feel good in that moment,

839
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: but then you have to almost dig through your own

840
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: shit to actually feel it. You know.

841
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: That's why listening like why it.

842
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 4: Sorry Oliver Hudson, but like really like.

843
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: Listening, Like like I think that's it's also like becomes

844
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: about It's like it's like you're it becomes your own experience,

845
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: like personal experience, Like it demands of you to stop

846
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: thinking about yourself.

847
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: No, I get it, I get it. But then I'm like,

848
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: here's here, give me an example. Okay, I'm gonna I'm

849
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: gonna listen. And now I'm like, am I listening good enough?

850
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: And I'm now I'm worried about my own listening instead

851
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: of actually listening, like should I look, should I break

852
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: eye contact or like look away? Oliver, Yeah, do you

853
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: mean it? It's hard for me. I mean I used

854
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: to a ton, honestly, and now no, I mean I

855
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: really need to put it back into play because I.

856
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 6: Think that, like the mind chatter is the heart is

857
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 6: really hard. And I think that I think it actually

858
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 6: does take discipline, like exercise, Like I think that it's

859
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 6: like all good things take work, and I think that

860
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 6: just like having a fit body, you have to exercise

861
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 6: your mind. And I think meditation is you know, it

862
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 6: is is is great. But the thing is with it

863
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 6: is that it has to be something you really work at,

864
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 6: you know, and it's not about and it's a it's

865
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 6: also hard. It's not about what's sending out and feeling good.

866
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: That's my bumper sticker. Contentment is discipline.

867
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's why I think that, like there is something

868
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 6: to discipline in the mind because mind chatter is so ugh.

869
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it funny though? Because you don't I like

870
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: to run now and again, like I I can spend

871
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: an hour there, an hour doing the gym, five minutes

872
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: in a meditation. I resist. I mean I make an

873
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: excuse not to do it when it's literally five to

874
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 3: ten minutes of just sitting there and quiet. I mean,

875
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

876
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: I have a couple things like, and I think that

877
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: we have to touch on Graceland a little bit because obviously,

878
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: like it almost feels like this magical place that everyone

879
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: you just wish you could like be in it, but

880
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: you actually like have slept there, you hosted there, and

881
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: and like, what how do you see Graceland, Like what's

882
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: your connection to Graceland other than in.

883
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 6: My lifetime it's only been a museum. So I did have,

884
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 6: you know, that awareness as a child growing up. But

885
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 6: also my mom was really like adamant on us having

886
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 6: experiences there that felt like a family and a home.

887
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 6: So we usually would just go at night and we'd

888
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 6: have dinner there and we would hang out in the

889
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 6: house and run around golf on golf carts. So a

890
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 6: lot of my memories there were very joyful, very fun

891
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 6: like family filled, family dinner type things. As we got older,

892
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 6: we would you know, have drinks in the you know,

893
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 6: jungle room and hang out till very late.

894
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: So it was like a lot of joy can we

895
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: go together and have drinks in the jungle room.

896
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 6: You don't understand, Kate. You need to ask Jamie and

897
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 6: and company about what happened it Gracelands stays at Graceland.

898
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: Can I come? I want to be invited?

899
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: Can we do it?

900
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: Girls Weekend at Graceland.

901
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 6: Something happens there where it makes everyone just feel I

902
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 6: don't know, there's like an energy there and every time

903
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 6: you're there and I have friends, it's like there's some

904
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 6: wild stuff going on.

905
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: I want in. I want in Girls Weekend and then

906
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: we'll go do our like holistic. We'll start at Graceland

907
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: and then.

908
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 6: We'll the Southern food and the wild, and.

909
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: Then we'll go do our medical like we get some

910
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: spa and like eight hundred calories. You know, I mean,

911
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: I I know this sounds like you know, do you

912
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: do you have moments where you just can't believe your

913
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: mom's not here? Like through this whole process, Like does

914
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: it almost feel surreal?

915
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 6: That A lot of my life in the past ten

916
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 6: years feels very surreal? And I do spend a lot

917
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 6: of time going what the fuck just happened? Like from

918
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 6: about twenty sixteen until now, my life was very bizarre.

919
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 6: So I it's like a lot of trying to process

920
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 6: what's happened because we had this like very normal, seemingly

921
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 6: great life and then everything sort of got turned upside

922
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 6: down around twenty sixteen and around when my mom's addiction started,

923
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 6: So it was it's it's definitely I'm still processing, like

924
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 6: the difference in my early you know, whole childhood and

925
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 6: early twenties into into now, and there's been so much

926
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 6: so I do I wake up in the middle of

927
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 6: the night and I'm like, what the fuck? Like this

928
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: is crazy?

929
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does how does that?

930
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 3: How does that happen? How does I mean, I asked

931
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: this an insane question, but how do you become how

932
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: do you become an addict? Forty er?

933
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 6: You know?

934
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: How does that work?

935
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 6: I think it was a combination of a lot of things.

936
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 6: I think that she she always would say, you know,

937
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 6: if I was to try drugs, they would take me

938
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 6: out because I'm the kind of person who's like goes

939
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 6: hard basically, And she would say that all the time.

940
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 6: And I think she would like she always had her

941
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 6: father in mind, and I think that she basically, I

942
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 6: don't know. She had a C section, was given oxy

943
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 6: cotton and got really addicted did and I think it

944
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 6: also numbed a pain that was probably there and growing

945
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 6: her whole life. Yeah, it was just like a sort

946
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 6: of I don't know, emptiness or a broken heart that grew.

947
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 6: And I think that in that time she'd also like

948
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 6: kind of lost a lot of her friends in her community,

949
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 6: and so there were a lot of things that play.

950
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: In that exact moment, perfect storm kind of Yeah.

951
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I just love you. I sometimes feel like

952
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: I want to, Like I had this thing. I was

953
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: talking to my mom the other day and I was like,

954
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what is about Riley, I just want to,

955
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: like everyone's want just like I see you on something

956
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, I just want to like give

957
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 2: you like a massive hug, you.

958
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 6: Know, because you feel bad for me, No.

959
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 2: Just because I love I love you like I love

960
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: your energy, the inner voice. I love your energy. I

961
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: like I said, like I really admire how you know

962
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: you've been through a lot, and you're really young and

963
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: you're a great mom, and but you're you have this

964
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: like gentleness about you that I just I just love

965
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: you so much.

966
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: We've never met, but it's just so chill and I

967
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: feel like we can just sort of sit cross leg

968
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 3: and on some sort of like you know, like blumpy

969
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: couch and just kind of have a tea and talk

970
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: for hours.

971
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 6: But don't be fooled, Oliver, I have mad anxiety.

972
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, you and I, You and I can panic together

973
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: on the couch as well if you want.

974
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 6: So funny, like, I get that a lot where people

975
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 6: are like, You're so like chill and grounded or whatever,

976
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 6: and I'm like, I have crazy anxiety.

977
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's interesting because sometimes that chill nature. Of course,

978
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 3: that is your true nature, but chill to me, I'm

979
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 3: pretty I am pretty chill. But I use my sort

980
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: of you know, voisterous maybe trying to be funny, yourself deprecating,

981
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: to sometimes mask how I might actually be feeling. I

982
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: don't want people to know that I'm hurting, you know,

983
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: in one way or another. When I had my crazy anxiety,

984
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: when I'm going through my bouts, I mean, I had

985
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: three kids, I was having to be a dad, I

986
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: was trying to be out in the street, I was

987
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: trying to fucking do shit for them, and all the

988
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: while like losing my mind, you know.

989
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, relatable. Yeah, anyway, continue saying.

990
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: No I just feel like there's like the maternal instinct

991
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: in me that's like always mommy vibes, but like that

992
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: wants to like like like be with you and like

993
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: hug you and all of a sudden, and then there's

994
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: the like girlfriend part of me that wants to like

995
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: cuddle and watch some show.

996
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 6: I can be both both there, it's both there.

997
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: I havings like but but uh, but also I have

998
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: a little inside baseball on you too, so like there's

999
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: also like, for instance, Jamie said, so so so just

1000
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: to explain, Jamie is sweet baby Jamie, who is Riley's

1001
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: our mutual friend, my bestie I'm assuming a very besty

1002
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: friend of you as well for you, but also your stylist. Yes,

1003
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: And but anyway, she was saying that how amazing it

1004
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: was to watch you because you're after days of Joe's

1005
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: and the six you've been singing a little bit more

1006
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: a little bit and and for me, like I kind

1007
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: of have to, like you know, get into it, and

1008
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 2: I get excited and I get this energy going. And

1009
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: Jamie was like, I don't know what it is, like

1010
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: she has to go sing and then like she's just

1011
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: talking and it's like it doesn't even hit her and

1012
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: then she just goes out and she just sings, like

1013
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: no anxiety.

1014
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 6: I have like a chip missing in my brain, which

1015
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 6: might be the girlfriend experience thing too, where I don't

1016
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 6: get embarrassed, Like I don't feel embarrassed. That's an emotion.

1017
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: I was like, I have to now that is just

1018
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: like I wish I had more of that. What an

1019
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: amazing thing.

1020
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 6: But also there's the stakes are higher because you're actually

1021
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 6: a good singer, and I'm like a good, very good singer.

1022
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 6: So to me, it's kind of like funny and I

1023
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: don't take it very seriously. But you're like a real singer,

1024
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 6: you know. So I think that I don't like put

1025
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 6: a lot of pressure on myself because I I'm not

1026
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 6: really a singer, but I'm like an actor who's singing

1027
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 6: a little here and there.

1028
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 7: You know.

1029
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, you're a good singer, are you? Are

1030
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: you gonna? Is there a Daisy Jones in the sixth

1031
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: Tour or is that just not a real thing?

1032
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 6: Or every single day of my life people ask me

1033
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 6: if there's a Daisy Jones in the sixth Tour, And

1034
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 6: I hope one day there will maybe so hot it

1035
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,959
Speaker 6: will happen. But you know, maybe we'll something will happen

1036
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 6: and we'll take it on the road and tour together.

1037
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: You should do it Europe.

1038
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: Should we do it?

1039
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 6: Daisy Jones Kate Hudson Tour.

1040
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in. I'll open for Daisy Jones.

1041
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 6: No, we'll open for you.

1042
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: It's called the Daisy Chain Tour.

1043
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Wait.

1044
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 6: By the way, so much of Daisy Jones was inspired

1045
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 6: by almost famous like.

1046
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: Oh my well, when I watched it, I was like, oh,

1047
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: I did have moments where I'm like, I feel like

1048
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: I experience all of.

1049
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 6: The like the costume photos, like all of the wardrobe,

1050
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 6: like every all the images were almost famous, like all

1051
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: of those awesome.

1052
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Was it so fun? Did you have the best time?

1053
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 6: It was so fun?

1054
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1055
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 6: So fun. A lot of the prep was fun because

1056
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 6: you know when you like getting to I didn't sing

1057
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 6: or play guitar anything, so getting to like learn a

1058
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 6: new skill set like that is such a unique thing

1059
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: to actors that it's like so fun that you get

1060
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 6: to just like pretend to be a musician for a

1061
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 6: few ones.

1062
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: It's so fun or whatever.

1063
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 6: A stripper, a sex worker.

1064
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: It's part of what it was. Like I always say

1065
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: to people when it's like we didn't get into this

1066
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: industry to do the same thing.

1067
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 6: Exactly, like we just wanted I were here.

1068
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been amazing. It's just been fun.

1069
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 6: Thank you guys for having me. Yes, I love doing

1070
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 6: podcasts with people I know or sort of know because

1071
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 6: it's so much more fun.

1072
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: It just feels easier and it definitely creates more clickbaits.

1073
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, Kate has an ancient spa

1074
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 7: ben easier, many time fun.

1075
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: That would be the best. That would be the best

1076
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: headline coming out of this.

1077
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: All right, Well, hopefully I'll see you soon.

1078
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 6: Yes, definitely.

1079
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: Okay, nice to meet you, Thank you, Nice to meet

1080
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 3: you too.

1081
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 6: All right By Guy