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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt time for little fantasy football

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Speaker 2: focus here looking at pro football focuses quarterback rankings.

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Speaker 3: Ok. I'm in my first rookie draft started this morning

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Speaker 3: in Dynasty. I am on the clock. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: picking number five and super flex. Okay, hoping somebody offers

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Speaker 3: me a trade if you're listening to offer me a trade,

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Speaker 3: trying to get out.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna look at the quarterbacks here first, all right,

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Speaker 2: what to do a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: I want to preface this.

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Speaker 2: Let's go through these and we'll talk about it when

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Speaker 3: To the view of it. Though is I was listening

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Speaker 3: to a podcast I really enjoyed. The Underdog podcast is

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Speaker 3: saying the underdog theme when they oh, they should, they should,

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Speaker 3: but they're saying the best value over the years is

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Speaker 3: taking the Allens the Lamars. But then I'm sitting there

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Speaker 3: listening for the first time, Like they're top twenty five,

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Speaker 3: live with that guy at twelve thirteen, fourteen fifteen, Like

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to pick from it this position.

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Speaker 2: So right now, they've got Josh Allen rank number one.

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Speaker 2: His ADP is nineteen point two. Okay, so you're taking

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Speaker 3: Okay, they've get richer than I think they were talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got Lamar rank number two. His ADP is

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Speaker 2: do you pick of those two? Neither one, because I'm

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Speaker 2: not taking a quarterback that I say that's River for

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Speaker 3: Ever, who's your one? There's a stat I saw on

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Speaker 3: Lamar which is really really unlikely to to replicate itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that probably won't keep probably not right, probably not.

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Speaker 2: I would probably still go Alan just because of the safety,

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Speaker 3: Of it all. I think Henry is a problem he

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's not forget that just a couple of

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Speaker 2: Are they definitely your top two?

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's some other we'll get through this whole thing

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Speaker 2: you're doing. And ahead of it, they've actually got Jayden

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Speaker 3: debo like the people around them are definitely better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Hurts is four. Yes, at twenty five point nine.

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Speaker 3: But they don't ever throw the ball.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do much to help the running game.

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Speaker 2: Their QB eight is bo flipping knicks.

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Speaker 3: But they're gonna be run first too, and they're not

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Speaker 3: I like the guys that go they're much cheaper. That

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Speaker 2: One oh six overall justin Fields no.

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Speaker 3: Fields right behind Burrow Fieldsburth's my homes is tough, but

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Speaker 2: If I take Fields, though, I'm better make sure I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I want Trevor Lawrence or

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Speaker 2: One eight and the ADP of one thirteen point two

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Speaker 3: Way better NFL players I can go there. I don't either.

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Speaker 3: swinging with Caleb Williams for fantasy.

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Speaker 2: I might rather have some of these guys right after this.

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Speaker 2: I won the championship last year with Love in our league.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a better football player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. QB fifteen is Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: There's another name it's still coming that I think is

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Speaker 3: Mayfield's going to give you three hundred more yard rushing

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Speaker 2: One twenty nine, QB seventeen Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 3: That's what he is now. I mean he never runs anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he is four really exciting receivers. The old

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Speaker 3: He doesn't run, but I'll take him over perty you

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Speaker 3: I trust the coach and I trust hunter. This is one.

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Speaker 2: This is purely based on who's around him. QB twenty

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'd have him higher than that. I would do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Gino Smith through fifteen touchdowns last year?

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers throws touchdown passes. QB thirty one Derek Carr.

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Speaker 3: I think Shuck's gonna be the starter. You never.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would take like Daniel Jones over those guys.

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Speaker 3: This is all who gets the start type of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones is the start of the colts. He goes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would I don't know how long does

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Speaker 3: I mean, truthfully, I think they go two weeks with

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Speaker 3: It falls off real quick. Like Mahomes could throw for

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Speaker 3: No? No, But from like seven to twelve on that list,

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Speaker 3: You're such a disadvantage When you play Hurts and Lamar,

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Speaker 3: Second round running back better not have got hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean you're such a disadvantage at that

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Speaker 2: So a guy in our league last year that we're

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Speaker 2: I mean he was extremely ravencentric with his offense. And

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Speaker 3: Great offense and they didn't. They didn't. That can carry

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Speaker 3: you know, you know question or Allan and cooklast year.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Cook's going to score fifteen touchdowns, not right? Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would pay for one of the top couple, and

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Speaker 3: and of the second rounds, Rich, I'd much rather be

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Speaker 3: someone like that. Right, Yeah, that's Daniels. Maybe I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Or if I were you, if I were on the turn,

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Speaker 3: You know you're not going to get them twenty four picks.

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Speaker 2: Right, and I get a good wide receiver to start

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't be a bad build. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: If it's Barkley London, I'm guessing, yeah, something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty strong bad Bill's pretty strong. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to do

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Speaker 2: it for the Fantasy football focus. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: We'll go through all the positions this week. Yeah cool,

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Speaker 2: For their fantasy drafts when they're coming up. See what

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Speaker 2: have a list here of offensive and defensive rookies who

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, interesting, So.

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Speaker 2: The they've broken them down into virtual locks on the

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Speaker 2: they do offense from offense defensives, so the virtual locks

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Speaker 3: They say that's a fifty to fifty competition, but that's

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunter with the Jaguars, sure, offensive tackle, Will Campbell

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Speaker 3: That's the most slam dunk of all of them.

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Speaker 2: Ted McMillan with the Panthers. Yeah, wide receiver offensive tackles

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Speaker 2: I mean, all high picks of course, yeah, right, Guard

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Speaker 3: Interesting, they didn't have level enough. They did not, and

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Speaker 3: it sounds like they're going by order what they picked.

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Speaker 3: I think Higgins they looked a lot of people inappropriately

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Speaker 2: Colston loved them with the Bears.

438
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 3: Sure it might only be two tight end sets.

439
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, wide receiver Luther Burden with the Bears. They seem

440
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: really down on DJ Moore Yeah, and some of his

441
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 2: efforts stuff last year, and I think that they are

442
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: looking I'm warming up.

443
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 3: The Burden more and more, and this is more of

444
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 3: like dynasty fantasy stuff that I think they're kind of

445
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: looking at him like he's ar Mon Rossaint Brown. I

446
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: don't think he is. I don't think he's that guy either.

447
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: I think he's more of the after the catch guy,

448
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: which is the DJ Moore spot. But I'm curious because

449
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 3: I think they still love a Doonesa too.

450
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: Running back of Marion Hampton with the Chargers.

451
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: Fair I mean draft the first round running back.

452
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: Wide receiver Matthew Golden with the Packers. Yeah, offensive tackled

453
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: Youjosh Connery with the Commanders.

454
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

455
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. He's start.

456
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's a left at Oregon. He's not

457
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 3: super strong. He could be a red shirt year. I

458
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: mean the their other tackles weren't horrible last year.

459
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the TCU kid and you know, offensive lineman Jonas

460
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: Ivania with the do that's a yes.

461
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they plug and play him, especially if

462
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: Daniels can't go right away.

463
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: Tight end Mason Taylor.

464
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: With the Jets. Yeah, there's no competition.

465
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: Wide receiver Jack Beck with the Raiders. Possibly, I don't

466
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: that's maybe a little rich. I mean, I don't know

467
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: that he starts right out of the gate.

468
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 3: Who's the who would be the other one other than Myers?

469
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: The guy that he emerged late last year, Douglas after

470
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: they now after they traded uh Adams. He'd been with

471
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: him a couple of years. He had some good games

472
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: down the stretch.

473
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: I think I know you're talking about too. It's not

474
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: the most difficult hurdle to get over, but he seems

475
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: more like a third guy to me.

476
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then running back are Jay Harvey with the Broncos.

477
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: I would I would have him in the pretty high,

478
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: pretty high.

479
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: He has nothing to fight with.

480
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Could win a competition. It's a big group. Wide receiver

481
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: a Mecca Igbuca with the Buccaneers. Yeah, but that's for

482
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: the three job, that's for the three. Offensive tackle Josh

483
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: Simmons with the Chiefs. I don't see that happening.

484
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: He'd have to be very healthy to start.

485
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: Quinnshaw Jenkins with the Browns.

486
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: I think he's more like a starter from day one.

487
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: Dylan Samson with the Browns. They both can't start now.

488
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

489
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: Quarterback Dylan Gabriel with the Browns, No, I don't imagine

490
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: him being the opening day start. Shador Sanders with the Browns.

491
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: I think he has a better chance than Gabriel. Tyler

492
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 3: Shuck with the Saints, very good chance if cars on

493
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: the mix.

494
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: Arianta Ursery with the Texans at tackle.

495
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: Oh, I think he's gonna need some time.

496
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 2: Wide receiver tra Harris with the Chargers, possibly offensive tackle

497
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: Ossie Trapeo with the Bears.

498
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: I don't think I think that's a next to your pick.

499
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Guard Tate Ratledge with the Lions. I liked him

500
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: a lot coming out, but he's still really raw.

501
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they have a couple of dudes that

502
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: are going to be ahead of him.

503
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: Wide receiver Kyle Williams with the Patriots.

504
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: That's a real good chance.

505
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: I think guard Dylan Fairchild with the Bengals.

506
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: Both those Georgia guys might need time, but he has

507
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: less competition at Cincy.

508
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: Running back Caleb Johnson with the Steelers. Definite center Jared

509
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: Wilson with the Patriots.

510
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they had the smaller dude from Minnesota is

511
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 3: a kind of a spot starter. Yeahn't be easy to

512
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: He's a part timer probably, but they're a short timer.

513
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: Wide receiver Chimeer Dyke with the Titans. Possibly weird receiver room.

514
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: I guess Ridley's the only one really guaranteed a starter starter.

515
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: Wide receiver still ahead of them.

516
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: Took a human or with the Titans as well, and

517
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: then uning back Cam Scatibo with the Giants at best.

518
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: I think Scatabo is a fifty to fifty guy. Yeah,

519
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: Like in the fantasy world, you'd take Tracy over Scatabo, right, Yes,

520
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: I would do.

521
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: On the defensive side, of thing the Locks. I don't

522
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: know that this is a lock edge. Abdua Carter with

523
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: the Giants.

524
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: No, he could be situational, situational guy, isn't it Yeah?

525
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 3: I mean, is he better than Thibodeau today.

526
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: Defensive lineman Mason Graham with the Browns.

527
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: I would hope.

528
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: Edge rusher Michel Williams with the forty nine Ers and

529
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: the Niners.

530
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: Guy's done in a lot of competition.

531
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant with the Dolphins.

532
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the tackle rooms, pretty light.

533
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: Linebacker Jalen Walker with the Falcons.

534
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: He's situational, probably too though. Let they have him out

535
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: there full time. Him and Pierce just are small. He

536
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: can play off the ball, though, Say do they have

537
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: him play linebacker or what do they do with them?

538
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: Cornerback Johnny Barron with the Broncos. Yeah, but it might

539
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: be a nickel, might be the nickel. Right right edge

540
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: rusher James Pierce.

541
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: With the Falcons. Situational though, let me treat a first run,

542
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: I future first four him. Me better use him.

543
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: Safety Malachi Starts with the Ravens.

544
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: I would say that's a yes.

545
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: Cornerback Maxwell Hairston with the Bills. I would think and

546
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: cornerback Will Johnson with the Cardinals if the needs Okay, yeah,

547
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: guys who were on the Cusp edge, Shamar Stewart with

548
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals.

549
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's not fighting a lot of competition,

550
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: but is he going to establish himself as a starter.

551
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: Linebacker g Hud Campbell with the Eagles next to Bond, Yeah,

552
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: Defensive lineman Alfred Collins with the forty nine.

553
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: Ers, Okay, there's a run stuff for early down player.

554
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: Linebacker Demetrius Knight with the Bengals.

555
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: I think that's why you draft him. He's a six

556
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: year guy. I think they draft him to be a

557
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: plug and play guy. It's not for upside. Yeah, I

558
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: would be very uncomfortable with that. Cornerback Trey Amos with

559
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: the Commanders possibly, yeah.

560
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: And safety the late Xavier Watts with the Falcons.

561
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: Also traded up for him too. I think that's one

562
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: of the beauties of him is he's pretty NFL ready.

563
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: Could win a competition.

564
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: Guys.

565
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Defensive lineman Walter Nolan with the Cardinals, Well, I would

566
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: hope you win the competition.

567
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: They got like ten defensive linemen though, I mean, okay,

568
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: but you would think he's heavily in the mix.

569
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: Linebacker Carson Sweeshinger with the Browns, Now, that one better

570
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: be a lambing.

571
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 3: What competition is there? You're right, that better be lamb.

572
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: Safety Nick Amuari with the Seahawks. Similar situation.

573
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: Right edge guy, Yeah, edge rusher Donovan Azureku where, Yeah,

574
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: but don't Dallas Dallas because they listen to Boston College.

575
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he's there anymore. No, I don't know

576
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: he beat every down player for them. I don't think so.

577
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: Safety Andrew mccouba with the Eagles.

578
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's gonna be the Gardner Johnson.

579
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Type defensive lineman Darius Alexander with the Giants.

580
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll be the two right away

581
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: next to Lawrence, but he'll be in the rotation.

582
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Cornerback Darien Porter with the Raiders.

583
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: He's not ready to be a starter, no, I mean

584
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: he's just an athlete.

585
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: Linebacker Nick Martin with the forty nine Ers.

586
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: You would hope not. I mean they used the third

587
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: round pick on him. Yeah, they overdrafted a lot of guys.

588
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Uh. Safety Kevin Winston with the Titans.

589
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm assuming he's over the injury by camp and

590
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

591
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: Cornerback Jacob Parrish with the Buccaneers.

592
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: Maybe because they also drafted Morrison ahead of them, but

593
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: I would think Parrish has a better chance to be

594
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: a Day one contributor. Nose tackle Jamari Caldwell with the Chargers. Yeah,

595
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: Punaford's gone.

596
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Safety Caleb Ransaw with the Jaguars.

597
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: I guess Cisco's gone.

598
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Defensive lineman c J. West with the forty nine Ers.

599
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: I don't I can Williams Alferd Collins, and.

600
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: If they do, I.

601
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: Mean it's only gonna be early downs for Weston Collins anyway.

602
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Linebacker Cody Simon with the Cardinals.

603
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 3: Maybe he can come down and play on the line

604
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 3: of scrimmage a little bit too.

605
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Safety Latham Ransom with the Panthers.

606
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: It's not a very good safety room. Yeah.

607
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: And linebacker Chris Paul with the Rams.

608
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, their linebacker room is real bad.

609
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 2: One guy's missing on here. Where's Derek Harmon?

610
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it depends what they call a starter.

611
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: He's going to be a lot of these guys if

612
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: he is not in their starter in their three four

613
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: defense on opening day.

614
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of nickelbacks in there, like Baron's

615
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: a first round pick and they call him a starter,

616
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: is a starter in Nickel, I think he's got a

617
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: great chance.

618
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna list all these other nose tackles on there though,

619
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: right right right.

620
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he shouldn't be on there, because I

621
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: would think he's your three four end yea, which means

622
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: he's a starter. And I think he's in the last

623
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: category for Nickel and dimes stuff. I think he's at

624
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: least on the competition for that stuff.

625
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's on the cusp.

626
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

627
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: In fact, right, I might even have him as virtual lock. Yeah,

628
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: tell me he can't be if he can't beat out

629
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: Isaiah Louder Milk Lowry in.

630
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: Those dudes, right, come on, man, right right right? Yeah,

631
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: I tend to agree. I mean, if you're to have

632
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: like Weston Collins on there as early down guys in

633
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: base defense, then he should absolutely be in there. Any

634
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: other Steelers that was it? I mean, is there another

635
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: Steelers should be starters? No? No, char right, He's Howard's

636
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: got no.

637
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: Chances starting things went bad.

638
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: Real bad. I mean that's an injury thing. Yeah, Howard's

639
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: starting either things went extremely good, like oh my gosh,

640
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: who was this we found out of nowhere? Or there's

641
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: certain guys staying retired, you know. But no, yeah, Black

642
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: is not going to be a starter. No, there's no

643
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: way he out snaps Harmon. No, Johnson should be highest

644
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: on the list, Yeah, and then Harmon and then Rade else.

645
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Actually, to me, Harmon should be higher than Johnson.

646
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: I could, I could.

647
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: I could create a world where they come out in

648
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: the opening series of every game. Jayalen Warren is the

649
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote starter. They did it with Naujie Harris last.

650
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: Year, like when they last two years, when they run

651
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: out of the tunnel and they announced the starters. Harmon

652
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: has a better chance to have his name called than Johnson,

653
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I would agree, especially week one, Yeah, and probably the

654
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: whole stretch as long as Warren's healthy.

655
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't mean that Johnson's not gonna play a lot,

656
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: but he plays more snaps this year between those two.

657
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Speaker 3: That's to be close. That'll be close. I mean, running

658
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: backs are not gonna be out there full time, full

659
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: time all the time anyway, and Gainwell is gonna play, yeah,

660
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I don't know how much Patterson

661
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: will get backfield snaps, if any but Harmon's will be

662
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: out there a fair amount. Yeah, they'll be close. They're

663
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: probably both six hundred stap guys.

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Speaker 2: Something's just kind of surprised they didn't mention him at

665
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Speaker 2: all at all.

666
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm wondering how many others every.

667
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Other first round pick I think was pretty much mentioned, right,

668
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart.

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00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everyone else should should be. I mean first

670
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: round picks always start, not always. Yeah, they at least

671
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: in the mix. Yeah, they're definitely listed there. Yeah, drafted

672
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: for a reason.

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: Right, Anyways, I just thought that, I mean, you listened

674
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: all Dylan Gabriel, for God's sakes. Yeah, he win a competition.

675
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: He could be fourth, he could be cut, he could

676
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: be cut, which just makes that he picks me right,

677
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: you're keeping four, you know? Yeah? Right.

678
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: They have never cut a draft pick under Andrew Berry.

679
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: Really, Okay, that could change you shoes. Yeah, yeah, they

680
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: haven't made a lot lately.

681
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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, anyways, let's get to a break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale, Lollie. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt now

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Speaker 2: will be back to finish up the show right after.

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Speaker 1: This, at least He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

686
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

689
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly, he is the Matt Williamson and

690
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: Matt the Ravens had their rookie mini camp over the

691
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: weekend and they did a It must have been like

692
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Speaker 2: just a regular Ota sessions. A lot of their veterans

693
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: were there and in culture. So Justin Tucker has been.

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Speaker 3: In the buildings of news and.

695
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: John Harbaugh was asked about, you know, what's what's going on?

696
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Speaker 3: A kicker?

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00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: He drafted a kicker. He said, every decision we make

698
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: has to be based on football. There's a lot of

699
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: layers to that. You've got a rookie kicker and you

700
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: took him in the sixth round, early in the sixth round.

701
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: He's a talented guy just from a football standpoint, salary cap,

702
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: all the different things that you take into consideration. Whatever

703
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: we decide to do over the next few weeks will

704
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: be based on football. Yeah. I was gonna say, if

705
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker isn't accused of inappropriate behavior by sixteen different

706
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: massage therapists, did they draft a kicker. I think the

707
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: answer is yes, it might be yes. He was terrible

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: last year and he's expensive.

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Speaker 3: You're like, before I knew he got in trouble Week

710
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: twelve of last year, I didn't think he was gonna

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Speaker 3: be back.

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: The funny thing about that whole thing, to me, it

713
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: was awfully convenient that all that stuff just happened to come.

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00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 3: Out during the only bad season he's ever had at.

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00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: The end of the only bets it all comes out

716
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: after he had his.

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00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: Bed, because it didn't all happen after week three years

718
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: and it had been years in the making, right right.

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Speaker 3: I just they're extreme. They're the most media savvy team

720
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: out there, and not accusing the Rivals of anything, but

721
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: that is awfully convenient. I do think they would have

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Speaker 3: drafted a kicker no matter what, because I don't think

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Speaker 3: he's worth the money to be one of the most

724
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Speaker 3: expensive kickers in the league at his age for that performance.

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Speaker 3: But what I don't like, and I have great respect

726
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: for Harbaugh, it's not all about football. It's not all

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00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: about football. I mean, when you cut Ray Rice, it

728
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: wasn't all about f football, right. I Mean, they're not

729
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Speaker 3: the only team that have off the field issue things

730
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Speaker 3: that they had to deal with. I mean, Steelers have

731
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: had some, everybody's had some. You know, it's not all

732
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: about football. If it was all about football, the best players,

733
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Speaker 3: regardless of their behavior off the field, would be the

734
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: first picks in the draft. That's on how it goes.

735
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Speaker 3: So Tucker last year with their second round pick, have

736
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Speaker 3: lasted to the second round if it was all about football. No,

737
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: Mike Green, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: So he was eleven of eleven inside of forty yards

739
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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 3: Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he was five of eight from forty to

742
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: forty nine yards, six of eleven from fifty plus.

743
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Speaker 3: It was he had a bad year for hit a

744
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: bad year, right, right, It's not the worst year and

745
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: kicker history.

746
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Speaker 2: Not the worst year. Yeah, But the way that they play.

747
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Speaker 3: I would say that his coaching changed with Tucker. It

748
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: used to be as soon as they passed midfield, I'll

749
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: try him out there no matter what, and you're getting three.

750
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Not anymore now more.

751
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: In the past two seasons, you could make the argument

752
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: he is now seven for sixteen from fifty plus and

753
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: in the last two seasons.

754
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Speaker 3: And now kickers make it from fifty plus way more

755
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: than they did when he was a rookie year or whatever.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, for example, he was nine of

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Speaker 2: fourteen From fifty and beyond, they tried him fourteen times.

758
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one season. Oh you're saying the attempts were

759
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: way different. Yeah, because they trusted him more.

760
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Speaker 2: They trusted him more. He's not that guy anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, but you know, we just saw him. He's thirty

762
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Speaker 3: five years old. We saw him.

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Speaker 2: Vinatieri kick until he was in his early felt right.

764
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Speaker 3: I was also in a dome. He didn't kick off, right, right.

765
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Speaker 2: I just don't tell me. It's all about football.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem. I have a problem. That's the statement.

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Speaker 3: That's the first thing came out of his mouth. Was

768
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Speaker 3: all about football. Like, no, it's not everything else you

769
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 3: said after. That's fine, salary cap and all that stuff.

770
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Speaker 2: Right, he's too expensive to keep it this, you know,

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Speaker 2: based on this r My question to you is, has

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Speaker 2: Tucker hurt his Hall of.

773
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Speaker 3: Fame by the letter of the law. He shouldn't.

774
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the off the field stuff. Oh,

775
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: I'm talking about his play on the field. Is that

776
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: as these last couple of seasons, he hasn't made over

777
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: ninety percent of us he's made over ninety percent of

778
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: his kicks once in the last five years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that we've gone through this because

780
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: Boswell is very much in the equation just lifetime field

781
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: goal percentage. He's not as dominant as he was.

782
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Speaker 2: It's not like other guys like they had passed him

783
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: at different points last year. Now he's not number one

784
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 2: again right now, but he's at eighty nine point one.

785
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: It's not as dominant as it was. And there are

786
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of kickers, including Boswell, who were at eighty

787
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: eight percent and better for their careers.

788
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: Especially at that position. But I think it's true for

789
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: all Hall of Fame. I'm really concerned with what you

790
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: did against your peers of your time, you know, like, yeah,

791
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: he should be more accurate than Jon Stenerud, right, I mean,

792
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: like it's changed. Or Tom Dempsey that had half a foot,

793
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, or Mark Moseley that kicks straight on. They

794
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: were all like their best kickers of their generation. They

795
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: had like seventy percent guys and they'd take two attempts

796
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 3: from fifty times have changed, But for the majority of

797
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: his career, I think he was clearly the best or

798
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: a top two guy like a Julio Jones or whoever

799
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, whoever's Aaron Donald or whoever. It was clearly

800
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: a long stretch of dominance. But these last couple of

801
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: years are kind of like Russell Wilson leaving Seattle, like

802
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: it didn't it hurt your cause more than it helped it.

803
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: If you would have retired a couple of years ago.

804
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: If he retires four or five years ago or three

805
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: years ago, his case is probably stronger. Yeah, and he's

806
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: one the only specialists that I think I would vote for.

807
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: I think that I would have voted to Mester m

808
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: has come off the rose a little bit. He's not

809
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: He's not the dominant kicker that he once was.

810
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: And I know, and I mentioned the off the field

811
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: stuff because in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so

812
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: I even called the NFL Hall of Fame, right, the

813
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame, off the field is not

814
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: supposed to be factored in. I think baseball it is.

815
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: Pete Rose isn't in et cetera, et cetera, but it is.

816
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't know that Antonio Brown's case

817
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: is going to be as smooth as it should be.

818
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: I mean, if you just look at on the field

819
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: he's in. Yeah, but there is a human element, someone

820
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: like yourself. For whoever has to go in front of

821
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: a room of their peers and make a case for

822
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: the guy, and if their heart isn't in it, you know,

823
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I give Tucker a much less chance. Now, yeah,

824
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: I don't.

825
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: I just because the career numbers aren't going to be

826
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: Like to me, Vinettieri is in consideration because he's the

827
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: all time leading scorer. Now I wouldn't vote for him.

828
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: He's the hit just because he's the yeah hit, because

829
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: you're stuck around for twenty eight years. Yeah yeah, and

830
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: from you know, the second half of your career, you

831
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 2: didn't even kick off or do anything. You never tried

832
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: anything beyond fifty after a certain period.

833
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you and I would be the worst two

834
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: people on the planet to have vinitary br or for

835
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: us to represent him in the hall. But that's why

836
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: we'd open an argument. Yeah, nobody scored more points than

837
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: my guy. At least it's somewhere to start.

838
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Speaker 2: I just look at what Boswell has done compared to

839
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: you know what Tucker has done here, Tucker's gotten worse

840
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: at the longer field goals as he's gotten older.

841
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: All right. Hypothetical Tucker gets cut, which I think is

842
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: strongly a possibility, and never kicks again, Like he may

843
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: not get picked up, especially if this stuff looms off

844
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: the field. Yeah, never kicks again. Boz has three to five.

845
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: Not last year. I mean, he was the best kicker

846
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: to leave. He and if he's a top ten guy

847
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: for the next five years, does he have a better

848
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: case than Tucker.

849
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Tucker's got all these All pros and all that kind

850
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: of like even made he made All Pro in twenty

851
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: twenty three or Pro Bowl, I should say, in twenty

852
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: twenty three when he was thirty two of thirty seven kicking,

853
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: he was one of five from beyond fifty. He probably

854
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't have gone.

855
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: But especially at that position, there's some positions. Once you

856
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: get in, it's hard to not That's the thing. You

857
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: just keep going, especially to a Pro Bowl. Maybe not

858
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: All Pro.

859
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: But if you look at the Haws All Pro this

860
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 2: year or is it Bailey he was, No, he.

861
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: Was, he was number one.

862
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I just want to look at the Hall

863
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: of Fame monitor.

864
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: Tucker hurts bas a little bit too, a little bit

865
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: because you're both aft. Yeah, right, right.

866
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: So if you look at the Hall of Fame kicker stuff. Yeah, Ever,

867
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: Morten Anderson's.

868
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: Number one, he has the best case.

869
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Vinettieri is number two. But I get it now,

870
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: there are only two kickers in the Hall of Fame.

871
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: Place Ridge one, right, Anderson, and you're on stener Root.

872
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

873
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Tucker right now has fifty six point nine points. The

874
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: average Hall of Famer is seventy seven.

875
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: But it's a two person saying.

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00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, but Tucker has more points right now, He's

877
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: stener Root at fifty six point five to three, okay,

878
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: whereas Anderson's at ninety seven point four four or five

879
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: Vinity areas at ninety three point seven. Oh, then you

880
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: got Gary Anderson at sixty five point nine. Nobody's ever

881
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: considered Gary Anderson Nick Lowry at fifty seven point sixty three.

882
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Then you got Tucker. I mean, in my childhood, the

883
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: two Anderson kickers were clearly one and two, and one

884
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: of them kicked in the Dome.

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00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: The problem is because you know, they take things such

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00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: as first team All Pro and Pro Bowls into consideration

887
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: right now.

888
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: And it's not like wide receiver where Boswells the guys

889
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: go to the Pro Bowl over your eighth or whatever.

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00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: Boswell's like twenty eighth on the list at twenty point

891
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: three points. He almost has no chance, right, He's behind

892
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: Jeff Wilkins, for God's sakes, Jeff that five great years.

893
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: He's behind Roy Jirella on you no offense to royd

894
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: Jarrell close, It's not even close close, Phil Dawson, Matt Barr,

895
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: Bruce Gossip. I couldn't even tell you who Bruce Gossip

896
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: kicked for not I mean either Mike vander Jack.

897
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like if you ask labs who the best Steeler

898
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: kicker of all time is or you or me an,

899
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: it's boss. It's not even close, right, he's the Steeler.

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00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: Historian Matt Prater is ahead of him, Matt Bryant, A Lindo,

901
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: maray Sebastian Janakowski.

902
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: But what's hurting Bass? Then? I know he had like

903
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 3: he's had two down years. He just not have enough

904
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: awards he's getting.

905
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: He's gone to two Pro Bowls and been first team

906
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: All Pro once, but it.

907
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: Was the most recent. Yeah, he'd have to string a

908
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: few together.

909
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's again he's he's only kicked for He's

910
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: ten years now in the league.

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00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: Tucker's at like thirteen fourteen.

912
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: Tucker's at he started in twenty twelve, so he's only

913
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: got two more years.

914
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: I thought they're about the same age. But bos is

915
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: going to keep kicking.

916
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: But Tucker's got five First Team All Pro, seven Pro

917
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: Bowls and five first Yeah, that's the difference.

918
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: That's the difference, and he was I think he deserved

919
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: those at the time. He was a dominant kicker. Vinetari

920
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: three Pro Bowls, he should not. He just that makes

921
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 3: me crazy.

922
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Just hung around forever.

923
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: He didn't even kick off, right, and if it was

924
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: longer than a like a forty five yard or he

925
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: didn't even go out there in a dome for like

926
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Speaker 3: ten years. He made a nice kick in the snow

927
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: and he lasted forever.

928
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Speaker 2: And he made a kick in the snow that every

929
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: other guy in the league from forty yards would have made.

930
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 3: They don't. It's not like it's a ten percent eight percentage, right, Yeah.

931
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anyway, I mean he does of rings. Yeah he

932
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: gets he's got the rings. But anyways, I just thought

933
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: that was interesting that.

934
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: Harbors what would have to do to get in. He

935
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: has to be a rabbit hord. Yeah, he's the best

936
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: kicker in Steeler history. Oh clearly. Yeah, I don't know.

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00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if he could get into the Hall

938
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Speaker 3: of Fame. It's gonna be awfully difficult.

939
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, should be for all kickers really, But anyways,

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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for our show today. So

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Speaker 2: for my partner Matt Williamson for Justin Miller here on

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Speaker 2: site running the Justin Miller soundboard, for Tyler Vittmeyer, making

943
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Speaker 2: sure our video gets out there on the YouTube. I

944
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Speaker 2: am Dale Lollie. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.