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Speaker 1: Who do you who? To all glamour girls out there,

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Speaker 1: This is Sam with my final announcement that my solo show,

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Speaker 1: Club Comic is in Los Angeles, California, on May tenth

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Speaker 2: Much love to you and yours, xoxo, Sam.

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Speaker 1: Okay podcast starts now. Wow Wow, it is an amazing

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Speaker 1: day to be a podcaster.

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Speaker 3: In midtown, back in our home, our health, kitchen. It's

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Speaker 3: hard to tell these days. Whenever we enter a studio,

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Speaker 3: my mind goes blank.

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Speaker 1: See. I also like, it's so weird that you're trying

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Speaker 1: to like define what neighborhoods.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, because it's already it's like I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like maybe it's fluid, maybe we sort

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Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's sort of Health's kitchen, it's sort of midtown,

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Speaker 1: and yet there's some Lower East Side flavor in here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Where having just spent two hours out of Gregory's Coffee,

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Speaker 1: I know. I can't imagine what that was like for you.

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Speaker 1: How did you change in those two hours?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually something happened that really made me feel part

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Speaker 3: goes to show you. First of all, people will surprise you.

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Speaker 3: Second of all, leader stereotypes out the door, and third

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Speaker 3: of all, Gregory's coffee is really different than what we

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Speaker 3: is is not what we think it is.

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Speaker 1: No, we think of it as this you know, sort

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Speaker 1: not even Starbucks. It's like, this secondary not cool. Change

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Speaker 1: in fact, what is it? Let's start there?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So because to me, I'm like, when did it

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Speaker 1: You know, you're literally describing us.

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Speaker 1: Gregory's Coffee is trying to do the same thing. It's

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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right because their logo is basically

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's so good, and it'll be like landlord is

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Speaker 3: We made a friend, dear friend, A dear friend. I

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Speaker 3: He threw the wife down. Yeah, who are your friends?

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Speaker 3: Was exactly authentically. Yes, specific it was not Aquafina. And

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Speaker 1: No one's ever canceled. In fact, people sometimes we double book, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well, let's just say there's a reason certain people are

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Speaker 1: to do our first segment to each other each other.

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Speaker 3: We've never done this, We've.

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Speaker 1: Never done this ever. And also what's weird is like

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Speaker 1: normally we'd like explain the segment we can't, but I

437
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Speaker 1: guess we should explain it to like the listener who

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Speaker 1: who clicked on this without ever listening to the podcast before.

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Speaker 1: Potentially if you clicked on this episode without ever hearing

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Speaker 1: this podcast before, first of all, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, congratulations. And also the idea that like your way

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Speaker 3: in was like, oh, carpeting is straight totally.

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Speaker 1: Totally I love that. Yeah, they exist. Probably, So our

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Speaker 1: first segment is called straight Shooters, and basically we ask

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Speaker 1: each other a series of rapid fire questions in which

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Speaker 1: we gauge our familiarity with and complicity and straight culture.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Sam, sure, clocks by Coldplay or Cox and ballplay.

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Speaker 1: Clocks by Coldplay. George seizing the means of production or

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Speaker 1: making a red wine.

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Speaker 3: Reduction, making a red wine reduction, Sam, redefining storytelling or

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Speaker 3: undermining your mother who works so.

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Speaker 1: Hard redefining storytelling. George, Mother Earth, father Time or Baby Yoda.

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Speaker 3: Father Time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, someone's got daddy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the proof is in the pudding, or the cheap

456
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Speaker 3: engagement ring is in the cake.

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Speaker 1: Cheap engagement ring is in the cake. But that was

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Speaker 1: a tough one. Yeah, okay, okay, George, the girl from

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Speaker 1: Epanima or Guy Fieri? Wait, the girl from what Epanima?

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Speaker 3: What'sanima?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a place, that's all.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the girl from Panima? Okay, this one I wasn't

463
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Speaker 3: gonna do because it's so bad. But since it's just

464
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Speaker 3: the two of us, I think I can Velma and

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Speaker 3: Louise or Velma is a lusbian, stupid, she's a lusbian,

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Speaker 3: a lousbian?

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Speaker 1: Wow, sure, I love that. It's kind of fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, when you're almost there, you're through for

469
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Speaker 3: us the way there, I had Velma had Louise, and

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Speaker 3: I had Velma. I couldn't think of anything that ryan

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Speaker 3: with Louise or Velma is you know, blowing in the breeze.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so she's famously now a lusbian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe like Velma on her knees looking for her glasses.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. See, that's why they pay her the

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Speaker 3: big bucks. And that's why unfortunately I am banging the

476
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Speaker 3: gavel and saying, you won this round.

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Speaker 1: See I was gonna say that you won this round

478
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Speaker 1: because because you actually did have four even though I

479
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Speaker 1: only had three.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy because that is so you are doing the

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Speaker 3: thing I was doing. When I saw an old headshot

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Speaker 3: of myself and I was like, I was like, basically,

483
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Speaker 3: long story short, someone used a headshot of me that

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Speaker 3: was legitimately taken when I was like at an old

485
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Speaker 3: day job when I was twenty three, literally like before

486
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Speaker 3: I did comedy, because they google my name whatever it

487
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Speaker 3: came up, they put it on something and I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I can't not address this. This is insane. And Sam

489
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Speaker 3: was like, literally, no one has noticed this but you.

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Speaker 3: There is no way anyone has looked at that and

491
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Speaker 3: thought like, oh my god, he doesn't look like that anymore.

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Speaker 3: That is exactly what you're doing now by saying that

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Speaker 3: I did four and you did three. No one was counting.

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Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right, and thank you for calling

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Speaker 1: me in on that. It's so weird when you are

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Speaker 1: thinking about something and no one else.

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Speaker 3: Is I know.

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Speaker 1: Wait. Yeah, but for yesterday was particularly weird with the

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Speaker 1: headshot thing because the we watched a panel at first

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Speaker 1: where they're was a headshot and a guy had an

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Speaker 1: old headshot where he looked significantly younger. Yes, and you

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Speaker 1: pointed it out, and so then I think you felt

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Speaker 1: like karmically bad that it was then happening to you.

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Speaker 1: Wait minutes later, this is.

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Speaker 3: Actually I need to This is a really fruitful topic,

506
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Speaker 3: the idea that something is bothering only you and no

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Speaker 3: one else, but yet you feel they need to address

508
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Speaker 3: it as though it's a community, as though it's a

509
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Speaker 3: community problem, and it actually two things. A it goes

510
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Speaker 3: back to the idea of artisanal content created only for households,

511
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Speaker 3: Like it is literally that instinct where you're like, well

512
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Speaker 3: I feel it, so everyone else feels it. And two yeah,

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Speaker 3: I have to say on a personal level, it is

514
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Speaker 3: something that it took me years and I'm still unlearning

515
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Speaker 3: that you shouldn't address it. I for so long. Let's

516
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Speaker 3: say I was I don't know, constipated in my mind.

517
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Speaker 3: I'd be like, well, I have to address it.

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Speaker 1: Like it's just like.

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Speaker 3: If anything was on my mind or bothering me I

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Speaker 3: was like, well, that's a topic of conversation that everyone

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Speaker 3: can participate in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to to do that. I mean,

523
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Speaker 1: it always fails.

524
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Speaker 3: It like is never good because it's not relatable.

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Speaker 1: I did this thing. I did the thing that I

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Speaker 1: hate recently, which is I was doing a show and

527
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Speaker 1: they introduced me by saying they love the podcast. But

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Speaker 1: the phrasing they used and it was meant to be

529
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Speaker 1: a compliment. It was all very positive and it was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be like playful fake languages, and they said

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Speaker 1: his podcast raised me. And I was feeling self conscious

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Speaker 1: because it was a room of younger people. People yes,

533
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Speaker 1: and so I went up and I was like, hmm

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Speaker 1: raised you hhmm old. Someone's calling me old.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, and if that doesn't hit immediately,

536
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Speaker 3: it never will.

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Speaker 1: It never will. And I was like and then I

538
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Speaker 1: looked just bitter and I was like, oh no. And

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Speaker 1: I've like when I was twenty four watching the thirty

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Speaker 1: something comedian perform and would do that and would like

541
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Speaker 1: panic and I was like, what's wrong? No one cares

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Speaker 1: that they're in their thirties, No one. And then but

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Speaker 1: I and now to be the one doing it. I

544
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Speaker 1: was like oh no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: No, also talk about something that only you feel. There's

546
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Speaker 3: something specifica specifically about being in your early to mid

547
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Speaker 3: thirties as a gay man, where in your mind you're like, well,

548
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: we have to address that I'm old. But literally everyone

549
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 3: else is like that's a you're like literally look like

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Speaker 3: everyone else in Joshwick. Yeah, it is because if you are,

551
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: you know, sixty and doing a show with all young people,

552
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Speaker 3: it's charming and funny to bring up that you're old. Yeah,

553
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: no one cares that you feel old when you are

554
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Speaker 3: in your thirties. Literally, no one cares. It is not

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Speaker 3: interesting and it is not impactful.

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Speaker 1: It's not impactful, and it's even just like simply self consciousness. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is, like not there's not a marked difference between

558
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Speaker 1: a twenty five year old and thirty two years It's

559
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: like grow up, chill out.

560
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, grow up literally literally, and maybe then you can

561
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Speaker 3: talk about being old, because guess what, you're being a

562
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: toddler right now, you are being Einstein for babies or

563
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: whatever that maybe Einstein. You're being baby, You're being maybe Einstein.

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Speaker 1: I mean like it's nice that you kind of also

565
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: gave a compliment in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool, that was Really you're smart for a baby, Yeah.

567
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Speaker 1: Really fucking smart. But you're still a baby on the

568
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Speaker 1: smartest guy ever, but baby.

569
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Speaker 3: The smartest baby ever other than boss Baby, he's not smart.

570
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: He just does business sense.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, in our world those are synonymous. Oh

572
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Speaker 3: my god, Wow, should we get into our topic?

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Speaker 1: I think we should.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm really happy we're doing this topic because

575
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: it's your this is sort of your pet topic. We

576
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: were brainstorming. We were brainstorming topics for something else, and

577
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 3: this was the one that you suggested. And then it

578
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Speaker 3: really made you laugh. Am I wrong? You know?

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Speaker 1: If you had told me that you came up with it, believe.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I was like, I have such a

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Speaker 3: It was just like a very charming Sam moment that

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Speaker 3: that's like what you went to. And then I was like,

583
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: that's genius. That was my that's my memory of this

584
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: brainstorming session.

585
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I you know what, when I suggested as a topic

587
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: for this episode, I was like, Sam will be so

588
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: grateful that we're.

589
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: Doing this topic. You know, in a brainstorm, sometimes you

590
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: come up with something and it hits in context and

591
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: it's sort of like I feel like this topic was

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00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: like a shift from what we were doing, and that

593
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: made me happy. Yeah, when you texted me about it,

594
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I think we can talk about that one,

595
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: which is so funny.

596
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: So funny. We have now reversed because I am like,

597
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: I could not be more excited to talk about this topic.

598
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: I've like already thought up theories. Well, then let's begin, Okay,

599
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: I want you to introduce it though.

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Speaker 1: Okay, our topic today is carpets and carpeting, carpeting.

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Speaker 3: I know you said that you don't remember coming up

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: with it, yeah, but I want you to like leap

603
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: inside yourself and think, like, what what sparked. What sparked

604
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: something in you that said this is straight carpeting.

605
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: It spoke to me, I think because it's in homes

606
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: that are specifically not going for chic. Yeah, that doesn't

607
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: mean they're not going there.

608
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: It's so true, it's so true. The goal is not cheak.

609
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: The goal is not cheap. The goal is practicality. The

610
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: goal is like the babies can roll, and the goal

611
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: is like like we bought this.

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00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: The goal is we bought this, yeah.

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00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: The goal is we bought a home. Yeah, and we're

614
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Speaker 1: happy with that. Right, but like that's where the that's

615
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: where the goal ends. Yeah, it's like we bought it,

616
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: so that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So so you're getting, you know, associations with

618
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Speaker 3: home ownership and child rearing. I mean already of course

619
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: two tenets of straight life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: For me, there is the it's there's the covering up.

622
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: It is the act of covering.

623
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Up, well, very very literally, it covers up, it's hiding.

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: Exactly it is. It is. I'm trying not to say

625
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 3: shame based, because obviously we sort of overuse that sometimes

626
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: in our metal, but it is like it is like,

627
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: uh oh, the ugly actual materials that the house is

628
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: made of, we have to cover them and put on

629
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: a smile and welcome the Johnson's you know what I mean. Yeah,

630
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: it's sort of like, well, god forbid, anyone knows what

631
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: this is made of.

632
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like toxic reputation, like being like, well it's

633
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: a home, it's not a house, yeah, like we have.

634
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't built, it's always looked. It's always looked like this, Yes,

635
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: there's no materials here. And then I mean, not to

636
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: bring this up too early, but that is very much

637
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: in conversation with the rug, which is the opposite, because

638
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: the rug is is you're putting a little hat on something.

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00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: It is an accessory. It is playful. You are playing

640
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: with materials. You are a stylist and your stylings and

641
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: a for a shoot. You are law Roach, you are

642
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: La Roach pre retirement, and you are saying, Mama, you

643
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: gotta go to the critics store words and you're not

644
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: gonna look busted doing it.

645
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: No, you're gonna look incredible.

646
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: You're gonna look incredible, and we're gonna mix textures and

647
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: we're gonna mix colors. And if people don't like that,

648
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: then they can suck a dick. Pejorative, pejorative.

649
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I also think a rug, one, of course, just acknowledges

650
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: the past. Yes, you can literally see what was and

651
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: what will be. It's not it's not erasing anything, you know.

652
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: It's it's saying, yeah, that is what is here exactly.

653
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: But we're doing this.

654
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: And it's not linear. There's something about a carpeting that's

655
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: like the house started this way, then we hit it

656
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: because we were ashamed of literally every decision we've ever made.

657
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: And now it looks this way, and isn't it beautiful.

658
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, am I bleeding, you know, And then with

659
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: the with the rug, there's a certain cheekiness to it.

660
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: M mm hmm.

661
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: And it's also anti pragmatic, not pragmatic. It's ornamental. It's

662
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: ornamental rather than like function function forward functional.

663
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's.

664
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: It's like, in fact, often a rug is anti functional,

665
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: like a sort of like fluffy sheepskin rug that you're

666
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: putting in a sort of cocaine apartment that's gonna not

667
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: be good for cleaning. It's gonna get dirty, like it's

668
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: gonna you know, you're gonna lose an earring in there. Sure,

669
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: but you're doing it for the love of the game.

670
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: It's for fashion.

671
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: It's for fashion.

672
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: It's for fashion, not for practicality. Suburban homes in general

673
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: have such a uh what's that called sanitized look, which

674
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: is obviously not new. That's literally the premise. That's like

675
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: why they exist. Yeah, but it is weird that people

676
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: don't have more fun with it. I'm kind of surprised

677
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: where it's like, you do have a house.

678
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, when they do have fun with it,

679
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: what you get is the sort of trope of the McMansion.

680
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: It's like they have fun with it by putting a

681
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: bunch of cylindrical additions to the house all around the house,

682
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: and each of them has a bay window. We're talking

683
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: twelve bay windows in a row.

684
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Well, I would be so lucky.

685
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: But it's like, what's a way. What is a way

686
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: to have fun with a suburban house that is not that?

687
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: It's like they went literally cylindrical additions with ay windows. Uh,

688
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: jungle gym. These are these are I'm saying like existing

689
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: ways that I think do not are not up to snuff.

690
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm like, is it the bones of the

691
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: house are inherently sanitized, so they just run with it.

692
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: Do you think it's that? Like it's like putting converse

693
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: on with the wedding dress, Like you think you're being playful,

694
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: but you are only drawing attention to the wedding dress.

695
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: You're right, you should almost lean in. You should lean

696
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: keep it sanitized. Damn, that's kind of dark.

697
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: So when we are second house in New Jersey, every

698
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: we lived in a very sort of suburban area and

699
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: every house was like a different fun color. But the

700
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: garage doors were all white. No one painted their garage doors.

701
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: My parents painted the house and it was like a

702
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: yellow in a green, but they didn't know that it

703
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: was not done to paint the garage door. So they

704
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: were like, well, of course you're paying the whole house.

705
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: Let's paint the garage door green with yellow squares, so

706
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: like you know how a garage door has squares. It

707
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: was like green with yellow squirts. They were like, well, yeah,

708
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: like it has to match the house. And then lo

709
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: and behold. We sort of looked around after the fact

710
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: and we were like, oh, fuck, everyone here knows we

711
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: are foreign because we painted the garage door.

712
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: But sounds kind of sheep.

713
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's like that is did that

714
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: Let's say it was intentional. Let's say my parents were

715
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: trying to be chic. Is that converse with a wedding

716
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: dress or is that more of a wink?

717
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: I think that is more wink because it is unintentionally wink.

718
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

719
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: Like, I think the fact that you weren't like, look

720
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: at this, look at this totally. It came, it was

721
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: lived in, it came from a very sincere place, and

722
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: I think that sells it.

723
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know it's sort of like taking something

724
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: that's meant for one context and putting it in another context.

725
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: It's sort of like when people have like you know,

726
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: when people like had a leather bikini, You're like, well,

727
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: that's not supposed to be Like that's not supposed to

728
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: be made a leather sure, sure, or like a two

729
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 3: two that is in a army print or something. It's like, oh,

730
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: it's mixing, like it is a material that doesn't go

731
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: with what you're you're making with it.

732
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Well. I also think it's like the converse in the

733
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: wedding dress is such a thing because it's a pushing

734
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: back of like you're you're aware of what is normal,

735
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: and you're pushing back on what is normal, right, and

736
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: for your family to paint the garage door, you're not

737
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: pushing back on anything, which I think, yeah, makes it.

738
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: It's true it's based in ignorance, So I guess in

739
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: that way it's not reaction. It's not reactionary. And I

740
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: guess in that way because it's unintentional. You could argue

741
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: that it's camp in the sense that we thought we

742
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: were being if not chic, then appropriate, like we thought

743
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: we were stepping up to the plate and being good

744
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: suburban Americans, and we showed, in our ignorance the artifice

745
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: of it all. Yes, yes, did this house carpet? Well,

746
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: so it's interesting you say that because in fact, the

747
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: previous one had carpet. The previous one carpet, So they

748
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: rented a house that had carpet, so it sort of

749
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: came that way. They did not choose it. And then

750
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: we bought a house that didn't have carpet, and the

751
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 3: one that had carpet had a I would say, canary

752
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: yellow carpet throughout the house. Okay, I would say, is

753
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at my computer treer right now. It is

754
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: the color of the Stickies app on a MacBook.

755
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, but that's kind of fun. That's like

756
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of seventies.

757
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: It was kind of seventies.

758
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Well, and this is what needs to be addressed. This

759
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: is something I was thinking about while I was eating

760
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: my Chipotle before coming here. Yeah, which is carpet is

761
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: very seventies, which is a gay era.

762
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: It's true. So okay, so a carpet can be gay

763
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: if it harkens back to the seventies.

764
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, like a shag carpet. As soon as

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: you make it impractical hard to clean, hard to keep.

766
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I mean the impractical thing is the

767
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: thing with the rug too, is what I'm saying. It's

768
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: like basically with rugs and with carpets. The more impractical

769
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: it is, the more gay it is, the more practical

770
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: it is, the more you are literally like screaming homeownership.

771
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something to that. And I

772
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: was honestly thinking about I was thinking about the seventies

773
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: and it was making me laugh to think about the

774
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: seventies as a decade where everyone was culturally gay and

775
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: sexually straight.

776
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting. You think they're sexually strange.

777
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Well, there are sexually everything, but people are.

778
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: I feel like seventies are like it's tough because it's

779
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: sort of it's people desperately trying to be alternative. It

780
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: really the seventies. I feel like it's like it is

781
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 3: a suburban kid trying to have an orgy.

782
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: The seventies, well, it'lso like everyone cared about Everyone wanted

783
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: to be impractical. Yeah, everyone wanted to be stylish. Everyone

784
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: was like taking in art cinema for some reason. Everyone

785
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: was doing drugs. Everyone. It was like very like everyone

786
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: was like being thirty two in Gay in Bushwick, Right,

787
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: you know, which is why the carpet in that era

788
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: was impractical. Impractical, right? I Also speaking of the seventies,

789
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: this is a question I kind of want to ask

790
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: you that I was thinking about Wile leading my Chipotlet again.

791
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: It was my brain was going.

792
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you had really inspiring.

793
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really amazing. That's when I do all

794
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: my best thinking. I'm actually writing a movie about it,

795
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: and it's Monster Chipotlet. It's called My Day at Chipotlet.

796
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: We met at the iHeart event and they really jiled

797
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: with I really jiled with the brand.

798
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I really juve with the brand, and we just have

799
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: this similar goal of getting the brand out there.

800
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: They are doing. What they're doing is redefining storytelling.

801
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: And what they're doing is it's seamless integration. That's seamless,

802
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: and they're taking the burrita oh yeah, that you love

803
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: than I love, and they're putting it in media that

804
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: we all love.

805
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: And it's B to B business to business. Don't ask how,

806
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: but money is being made.

807
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So is it hack? Is it gigye hack? To

808
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: be obsessed with the seventies.

809
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: I think it's straight people. Here's what I think. And

810
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: obviously I'm saying this with the no knowledge of the seventies.

811
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: I wasn't alive. Not to brag, but to me, the

812
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: seventies potentially were radical in their own way, sure, but

813
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: then fetishization of the seventies has over the years completely

814
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: sanitized them to the point where, I mean, the damage

815
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: that the hippie Halloween costume has done cannot be overstated.

816
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: It's like the fact that kids dresses hippies and it

817
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: has been defanged completely of its association with like activism, drugs,

818
00:40:51,840 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: anti government sentiment, like literally like antique capitalists, whatever, like

819
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 3: the actual music whatever. It is, literally like, oh, isn't

820
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: it fun to put a little piece necklace on and

821
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: a tied I shirt?

822
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: That is actually one of the darker things I've never

823
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: thought about. How cruel that is that that happened, where

824
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: they took something that was radical and made it a

825
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Halloween cost Well.

826
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: Guess what that literally happens with every single subculture without

827
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: any exceptions.

828
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there hasn't been like, there hasn't been like

829
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: vague eighties guy like, I guess the closest is like

830
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: risky business or like.

831
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: That's an interesting I'm sure that's an interesting But eighties though,

832
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: what was radical in that? Like you know what I mean, like,

833
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: what was the radical thing, like the anti establishment thing

834
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: in the eighties that you would then appropriate.

835
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: And the thing is there wasn't. The eighties were all

836
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: about the establishments exactly. They were all about big institutions,

837
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: and they were about Reagan being on the cover Vanity Fair.

838
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when people are doing.

839
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I know what this is so obvious?

840
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: What it's like?

841
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: Sort of it's it's the gay culture of the eighties

842
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 3: that has been like sanitized and sold back to us.

843
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: What's that?

844
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean, It's like it's like a denim jacket with

845
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: like act up pins on it. It's like it's.

846
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Sure, well for gay guys, yes, but it's not.

847
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: And also it's drag. Eighties is like eighties and nineties

848
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: is very much like the drag of that era was

849
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: very sort of you know, something different and anti and

850
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: underground or whatever, and now it is being sold to us.

851
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: I feel like that is I know, that's gay specific.

852
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: So what is like the straight version of that?

853
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like for the eighties, just

854
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: just like dressing, like Miami Vice.

855
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: But that's not a that's not like, that's the thing

856
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 3: common What were the establishments straight people doing in the eighties?

857
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 3: Am I crazy?

858
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: You're not crazy. I just don't think there was like

859
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: they were being silenced.

860
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: Were there are gen x people that are listening to

861
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, but that's ninety I was gonna talk about

862
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: like the gen x slacker, but that's nine nineties, nineties,

863
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: So what the fuck is happening in the eighties? Is

864
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: there no one? Literally, this is the reason why the

865
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: gay rights movement was so suppressed for so long is

866
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: because no straight people. Like all the straight people were

867
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: working in Being American Psycho, all the straight people were

868
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: working in Wall Street, and all the straight people were

869
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: working for the Reagan administration, And no matter how many

870
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: how many voguing gay people there were, it was not enough.

871
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: It truly it was a time to be in the establishment.

872
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: It was establishment is good and we love that.

873
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: I'm literally googling, oh wait, what hold on, okay, oh

874
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: my god, smr. I'm just because I was sort of like,

875
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: could you argue that disco but disco is seven? This

876
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: is like firmly seven, like and I'm sorry, I'm googling

877
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: like eighties music, but it's not bon Jovi. Bon Jovi

878
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: is not anti establishment.

879
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: Was the anti establishment stuff in the eighties like the

880
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: Smiths or something right right, that type of thing.

881
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: What were they railing against? What was their point of view?

882
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: They hated people that ate meat.

883
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm literally Look, it's like I like a lot

884
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: of these musicians, you know, I like the rhythmics, like

885
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: George Michael, like Madonna. I don't know.

886
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, okay, well sorry, if you were alive in the eighties,

887
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: it sounds like.

888
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: This is crazy. People are gonna like boycott.

889
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: No they're not.

890
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm also I was sort of like,

891
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe rap, but I think nineties rap

892
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: was more impactful than.

893
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: Let's move on?

894
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: All right? Sorry? Is this not interesting?

895
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

896
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

897
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I can't believe you.

898
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: Let me go on for so long. I had no

899
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: idea this entire time. You were like, please move on,

900
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: please move on, please move on.

901
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, George, I think that was maybe really powerful

902
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: in the way that you redefined storytelling.

903
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: I cannot fully if you let me go so I

904
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: was truly.

905
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: I think you what you did was you said, what

906
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: if the whole thing was that I don't have anything

907
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: to say. No what if I'm wondering what this?

908
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: But what if I found something?

909
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Did you know?

910
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, oh why just because maybe I

911
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: won't find something, I shouldn't go on a search.

912
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: I think it's good that you looked. I just think

913
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: that maybe there could have been the looking could have

914
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: gone less long.

915
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: Where should I have stopped?

916
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: We need to play back the episode.

917
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: Do you think I should have stopped when I said, like, okay,

918
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: gay people were ant establishment, but straight people were not

919
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: their allies. They all were American psychle Maybe I should

920
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: have stopped there. Yeah, yeah, because that was a punchline. Yeah, okay,

921
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: not that sincerely apologized.

922
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: Hey, George, don't apologize to me. Okay, apologize to the

923
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: person that he is listening to this podcast. Do not

924
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: apologize to me.

925
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 3: Well, back to carpets.

926
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something weird? Please? I think I

927
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: like carpets? What the F? Yeah? I actually wish there

928
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: were more of them. I actually like I'm thinking about it.

929
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's trauma based, but I love like

930
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: when I'm in a like this is I've talked about this,

931
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: like the suburbs. Like when I'm in a target, like

932
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: a real target, not these Manhattan fake targets.

933
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: Don't get me started. I actually don't care.

934
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm gone. When I'm in a real target, I feel

935
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: transported to my childhood uh huh. I feel like I am,

936
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, moving around it between three years. I feel

937
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: like I'm connected to literally every location I ever lived

938
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: in that had a target, and I feel so whole.

939
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: It's very everything over all at once.

940
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: I feel wow, wow, wait, chains are everything everywhere at once?

941
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

942
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: Literally, it's like each of them is in a different multiverse,

943
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: is like in a different part of the multiverse.

944
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: And you can connect to who you were the last time,

945
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: wherever you were.

946
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: And also by the way that one girl with the

947
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: blue hair and the lip ring that works in each

948
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: of them, all of those are different versions of the

949
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: same girl.

950
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. And so carpet kind of does

951
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: a similar thing where it taps into like a childhood

952
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: feeling of safety totally and even like, oh, this is

953
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: what a home is, right, whereas like an apartment will

954
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: always with a wood floor. I'm like, yes, this is cute,

955
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: but it will never feel like a home.

956
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: Well, I have two responses to that.

957
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Of course, shockingly, thank god if you only had one

958
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: to be over.

959
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: My one response, of course is to problematize what you're saying, wow,

960
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: and say, do you think that the fact that you

961
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: feel safe with a carpet is because your whites, because

962
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: of your white suburban upbringing, and that in fact, for

963
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: other people in other communities, a carpet might be afraid

964
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: a source of like un you know, evil coded.

965
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: Sure, you know what I mean.

966
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: It's like because it represents the nuclear fan that white

967
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: white hegemony, nuclear family.

968
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: Sure.

969
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: So that's one point. And the other point is I

970
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: think the fact that you're saying you've come around to

971
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: like in carpets points to perhaps an inevitability, which is like,

972
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: have carpets been unshake for so long that we are

973
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: overdue for a comeback?

974
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

975
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: Like it's is it the last taboo? I mean, I

976
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: think there's something to that.

977
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: I think it would absolutely make sense to come back.

978
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, in the way that like like

979
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, like a coke apartment. I do think

980
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: people are fetishizing with the seventies. Yeah, and I think

981
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: like a shag will be the first way it totally.

982
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: People love their swirly curvy furniture.

983
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also there is such a backlash against like

984
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: minimalist Scandinavian design, which is so rooted in bear Wood,

985
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean totally, and like, you know,

986
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: people are dipping their toes into a more playful sensibility,

987
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: but no one is brave enough to put down a

988
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: bright orange carpet, for instance, And maybe.

989
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: That is like the base you need. I mean, there's

990
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: something to it. There's something to the commitment. There's something

991
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: to being like, I am not transient anymore. I live

992
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: here and I'm putting down carpet, I mean, a fun

993
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: color carpet. I'm actually addicted to the premise right now.

994
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: It's just such a big I mean, imagine if your

995
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: entire apartment was covered in a bright turquoise carpet.

996
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be insane. Mostly it would be filthy.

997
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean here's maybe an insane sort of

998
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: reversal of everything we've been saying. Is a carpet in

999
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: fact inherently impractical?

1000
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1001
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: Our entire theory is rooted in carpets being straight because

1002
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: they're so practical, they're so functional. There for the kids. Whatever.

1003
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 3: Guess what if you have a carpet, it's gonna look

1004
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: disgusting within a matter of six weeks.

1005
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: You have to clean it regularly.

1006
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 3: It's not like natural, Like, it's not what it's meant.

1007
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: It's not what a floor is meant to look like.

1008
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: You are messing with nature. You're playing God. You're playing God.

1009
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: And in that sense, oh my, and in that sense,

1010
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 3: if you're playing God and you're doing something unnatural, isn't

1011
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: that Morgan? Like, isn't a hardwood floor more sort of

1012
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: serious in a straight way and a carpet more playful?

1013
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: Wow? I mean, yes, this is scary.

1014
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: This is really fucked up.

1015
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do if we prove ourselves wrong.

1016
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: M Like, I really thought carpet was like a surefire

1017
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: suburban it's sanitized. But now I'm like, no, it's actually

1018
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: one of the weirder things you could do. It's like

1019
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: turning your home into a hot tub. It's so wacky. Okay,

1020
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: you know what it's like what? Okay?

1021
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: It is like jello salad. It is one of those

1022
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 3: things that stray people invented that no one like thought

1023
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: took question And now looking back, you're like, that's crazy.

1024
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 3: You served like a green jello as a salad. Like

1025
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: it's like, do you know what I mean? It's like

1026
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: something that is that was due to some confluence of

1027
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: different tastes and different people that were like taste makers

1028
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: at the time. Probably someone put it in a design

1029
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: magazine and then people copied it whatever. Everyone suddenly had

1030
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: it and it was everywhere, even though actually it's a

1031
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 3: crazy weird thing.

1032
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: We normalized carpets, yeah, and now they're unnormalized again.

1033
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: We are remistifying that.

1034
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: We're remistifying that, Yeah.

1035
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: Because other straight things. It's like when you think about,

1036
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: like I don't know, khakis or denim, like those genuinely

1037
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 3: are functional. It makes sense why everyone got on board.

1038
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: But with carpet that.

1039
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: Is a tough cell. That is a tough cell. Huh.

1040
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: So carpet's gay then yeah, or it will be huh. Okay.

1041
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: The reason it's not, the only reason it's not actually

1042
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: is because of like where it lives.

1043
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: Right.

1044
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: The only reason is not is because apartments in big

1045
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: cities don't have it, right and homes in suburbia do, yes,

1046
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: And that does mean something. We can't just ignore that.

1047
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: No, we can't ignore that, and we also have to

1048
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 3: once again, it's like it exists in contrast to wood.

1049
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: So maybe it's like we've been going at this all

1050
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: wrong and what we need to be discussing is hardwood floors.

1051
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: It's almost like we've refused to address the elephant in

1052
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: the room, hardwood floor. Hardwood floors, like our hardwood floors.

1053
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: Gare straight.

1054
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. This is tough fun, It's really tough. See.

1055
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: It sucks when it's just the two of us because

1056
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: the level of like intellectual rigor gets.

1057
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: Too high and it's like, no, I'm sweating.

1058
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: And I didn't know I was going to Hardvord today.

1059
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, yeah, you think you we're going

1060
00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: to Juliard.

1061
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: I thought we'd be doing some fun little rifts. I thought,

1062
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, we can talk about whatever. And then here

1063
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: we are creating this like mental puzzle for ourselves. Yeah. No,

1064
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: it's shocking. I mean hardwood, Okay. It's straight in sense

1065
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: that it implies like authenticity, it implies like woodsiness, it

1066
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: implies it's masculine in a way. M hm. It is

1067
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: gay because it's chic and it lives in cities.

1068
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and because it's expensive, Oh is it? Yeah, it's

1069
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 3: like a sign of like, oh, hardwood floors versus carpet.

1070
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: It's like you're looking for a home, you want hardwood floors.

1071
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: If you're like a sort of prissy gay couple with

1072
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: like a little dog, you know, you would never that

1073
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 3: would be like a selling point, like these beautiful.

1074
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: Floors, right right, right, right right.

1075
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: I almost think maybe what it comes around to is

1076
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 3: like both hardwood floors and carpets are straight, and playing

1077
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: with rugs is the gay option.

1078
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: I think that's it, you know what I mean. I

1079
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: think you're right. Yeah, I think we nailed it, all right,

1080
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: all right.

1081
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: Well we almost died, but we made it.

1082
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: That was so scary I've you know, never felt so

1083
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: unchained sort of anything can happen.

1084
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: It felt like the scene in the Worst Person in

1085
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 3: the World where they're on shrooms or acid or whatever

1086
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: they're doing and they still haven't seen it guess what

1087
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: or not so much. But I'm just saying it felt

1088
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: like a scene in a movie where everyone where someone's

1089
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: like tripping and they are having ego death.

1090
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Sure sure, sure, sure, sure yeah.

1091
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: Who would have really been able to lead us out

1092
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: of that? Are new friend that we met at the

1093
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: iHeart ofment.

1094
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: I bet he would have had such a good idea.

1095
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he would have been like, well, me and.

1096
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: My wife actually tore the carpet out of the of

1097
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: the house and now we have beautiful hardwood floors.

1098
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: I bet they did that.

1099
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: I bet they did that. They did that, they did that. Okay,

1100
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: here's that. Take Okay, renovation straight just like putting redecorating, Gay.

1101
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,479
Speaker 5: What do you mean redecorating like just like covering stuff up? Wait,

1102
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 5: what do you mean covering st up? Redecorating is not

1103
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 5: covering st up?

1104
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So say our friend he ripped out

1105
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: the carpet to expose beautiful hardwood floors.

1106
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: Would you say that's redecorating or renovating renovating? Do you

1107
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: think that's I know, it's actually like it is ultimately renovating.

1108
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: Of course, like it's not really you wouldn't call that redecorating,

1109
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: but it is all. It's also in this liminal space

1110
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: where like it's not renovating in the sense that you're

1111
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: like redoing your bathroom. Sure, redoing your kitchen. Sure it

1112
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: is a little less intrusive, but it is I guess

1113
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 3: it is renovating. It's renovating light. Redecorating would be what

1114
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: buying a new buying new furniture.

1115
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean like we're gonna make this ugly

1116
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: carpet work.

1117
00:55:53,840 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, redecorating is you know, renting culture, and renovating

1118
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: is owning culture.

1119
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also HGTV culture. People love to renovate. People

1120
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: love it before and after, and people love to like

1121
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: show how they like physically owned a space totally, like

1122
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: they were like, no, the wall was bad and I

1123
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: took the wall down.

1124
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: People's hunger to like purchase something with the intention of

1125
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: changing it completely It's disgusting.

1126
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: It's so like.

1127
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it really is like the slippery slope of consumerism,

1128
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 3: like just fucking buy a house and put a bed

1129
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: in the bedroom.

1130
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: This is something I'm wondering about a lot where I'm like,

1131
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: how much do you need to make things new? Because

1132
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: you do, like you need to feel fresh, you need

1133
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: to I get it. But at the same time, shouldn't

1134
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: we be just to be content with what we have? Yeah?

1135
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm always torn how to feel about new.

1136
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like how to feel about like perfecting

1137
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 3: something yeah, or versus being charmed by its imperfections.

1138
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and with apartments, inn I wonder about this

1139
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: all the time, where it's like, yeah, you could go

1140
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: in one of those like new condos with ac and whatever,

1141
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: but it's like, but that sucks, right, And it's like,

1142
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: well it would kind of be nice. And I always

1143
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: am like, well, no, I want the old thing, but

1144
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: it's like, well, the old thing doesn't work very well.

1145
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: Right, And of course what adds to that dilemma is

1146
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: that often the you thing is way worse, is a

1147
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: way worse construction. So it's sort of like you can't

1148
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: win either way.

1149
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: It's true. Huh huh, Okay, is it time?

1150
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: It's time? Should we do shout outs?

1151
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: Sure? Oh wait, I had one more thing I want

1152
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: to talk about that I was thinking about at Chipotle.

1153
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this Chipotle trip. This is like your

1154
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: Walden Pond, the Union Square.

1155
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: Chipotle is so peaceful. It's so chaotic that, like you

1156
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: you experienced ego death and you can finally useoom out.

1157
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: It's like you're on ketamine and you're seeing yourself third

1158
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: person and you're wondering, like what is life? Yeah? So basically,

1159
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: my what is life was thinking about also the phrase

1160
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: does the carpet match the drapes?

1161
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god. The fact that we almost didn't bring

1162
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: that up is criminal.

1163
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: Like wow, yeah, because that phrase was pounded into.

1164
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: It was like the pledge of allegiance.

1165
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: I know it way better yeah than the pledge.

1166
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: It's so evocative.

1167
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: It's so evocative. It's like, think about genitals. Yeah, does

1168
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: the carpet match the drapes? And that people said it

1169
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: so much that I was almost like does it Like yeah.

1170
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: And you're also like, in what context is that important?

1171
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like who even putting herself

1172
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: in the position of like a straight man who's like

1173
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 3: houcking up with a blonde but then she's actually a brunette, Like.

1174
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 6: Is that better or work? Like, in what world does

1175
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 6: he care? I never understood it. I never understood Like

1176
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 6: it was like, why is this so common? Why is

1177
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 6: it so common?

1178
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: Huh?

1179
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: It's a kin in my mind to like how's it

1180
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 1: hanging in? Yeah, we're been like what do you mean?

1181
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: Do you think that it started somehow? When I mean,

1182
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: it's difficult to imagine this now, but at some point,

1183
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: the concept of women dying their hair was new. It

1184
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 3: was like the equivalent of you know, I don't know

1185
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: what's like a trend right now that's like on the

1186
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: cutting edge. It was an equivalent of like in the

1187
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: nineties people getting belly button rings, Like it was like

1188
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: a new thing that people were doing, and it was

1189
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: in fact very impactful because it allowed women to stay

1190
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: younger longer and therefore have social currency for longer, because

1191
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: that's how society works, unfortunately, And so maybe it was

1192
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: something that someone invented during that time in the same

1193
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: way that we would have a joke about someone with

1194
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: like accept and piercing, but then it just stood the

1195
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: test of time.

1196
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: So it's like they're ozebic. Yes, I guess, I mean,

1197
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: I feel like what's more likely is that it was

1198
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: a joke in one singular hit movie in nineteen eighty five,

1199
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: and people quoted it forever and to the point where

1200
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: it just became a phrase. Yeah.

1201
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: Maybe that was the counter coach of the culture of

1202
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: the eighties. Is that one movie that coined does the

1203
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: carpet match the drapes?

1204
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's so sad to see that culture become

1205
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: so so watered down. Yeah, I'm actually being does the

1206
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: carpet match the drapes for Halloween this year. Wow. So

1207
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome.

1208
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 3: Damn. So maybe that phrase too like is another argument

1209
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: in favor of carpets being straight, because that's I mean,

1210
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way to reappropriate that like. You

1211
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: simply can't make it queer like saying does the carpet

1212
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: match of drapes is mad?

1213
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: It inherently is like, Oh I don't know who I'm

1214
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: talking about.

1215
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's really like the that's what she

1216
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: said of its time.

1217
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, damn damn. Okay, Well with that, I'm ready

1218
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: to do my shout out.

1219
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: I I'll say it. I'm not I don't have one.

1220
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: Well, mine is pretty obvious.

1221
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: Okay, is it Tripotle?

1222
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: What's not? Franks lose some perp tall around the globe.

1223
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: I like to give a huge shout out too the

1224
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: Union Square Chipotle. When I was sitting there today, I

1225
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: was My brain was fully let free. I could see time,

1226
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: I could smell sounds. It was so so beautiful, And

1227
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I just was at the heart of Manhattan eating a

1228
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: chain meal from a chain I was connected to Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Virginia.

1229
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: I was seeing I was I was five years old.

1230
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: I was fifteen years old. I was thirty three years old,

1231
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: and I was so happy to be eating a chicken

1232
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: burrito with white rice, black beans, Picoda Guyo, the hot salsa,

1233
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: sour cream, cheese, and even lettuce because I'm nothing if

1234
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: not healthy. I love Chipotle and I don't care who

1235
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: knows it, and I don't. It's fun to connect to

1236
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: the teens of New York City who are there after school.

1237
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: I love Chipotle, Indian Square xoxo.

1238
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: Oh man. I know I had a sort of distant

1239
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 3: look on my face as you're doing that. It's only

1240
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: because I'm trying so desperately to think of one mylf.

1241
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: I didn't want you to think that I was sort

1242
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: of like rolling my eyes at you or not reacting

1243
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: well I had. I had a sort of blank look.

1244
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 3: The listener let's start, doesn't need my apology because they

1245
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: understand me. I'm like you, well, let me think.

1246
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: What's up freaks of losers out there?

1247
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: It's c m O George. I'm doing a funny voice

1248
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 3: to master the fact that I don't know what I'm

1249
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 3: looking about and I don't have an idea. But I

1250
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: would like to give a quick shout out that's right.

1251
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 3: I trained my voice to distract you even further.

1252
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, shrimp. I love arm.

1253
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 3: Voice, I love firm.

1254
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1255
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 3: I found a new recipe for shrimp. And yeah, it's

1256
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: coconut limes shrimp. And it's in the New York Times.

1257
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: And I have now made it twice, and both times

1258
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 3: it has been a complete and utter sleigh. I shrimp

1259
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: is cheap, it is sustainable, it has I is a

1260
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: great source of protein, and you can do whatever the

1261
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: hell you want with it. And guess what. It cooks

1262
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: really fast and you don't have to wait for a

1263
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: million hours for to cook in the oven. And guess

1264
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 3: what else. It's empowering because shrimp are sort of the

1265
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: cockroaches of the ocean. In the ocean, they are so

1266
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: they are oppressed in the ocean. They are other in

1267
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 3: the ocean. The other fish look at them and they say,

1268
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: flop flop, flop, hate her, look, hate her outfit, go away, die.

1269
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: And then and then when they pass, as we all do,

1270
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: they become they become ormet. In the human world, we

1271
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: are taking something that was once I mean, it's sort

1272
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: of like vintage clothes shopping or something. It's going to

1273
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: the thrift store. We are taking something that was once

1274
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: discarded shot on and taking it and saying this would

1275
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: look so incredible in my living room. And every day

1276
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 3: I eat and I love it. I think that was

1277
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: I got this.

1278
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: When you started with the shrimp thing, I was like, Oh,

1279
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: he's really lost, shut up, No, But then you found yourself.

1280
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: It was told a story, it was a journey.

1281
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: Well that was our first ever guest less episode with

1282
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 3: like that. That was like a real episode.

1283
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was weird. What'd you think for you quick?

1284
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: I feel like.

1285
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: I I liked it right, two thumbs way up, way up.

1286
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it feels crazy to not have someone

1287
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: to be a mirror and to not have someone to

1288
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: like break the break the lines of thinking. And yet

1289
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: and yet here we are well barely made it out.

1290
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: But that being said, bye bye,