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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: were we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and the lettuce one. What an excellent

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Speaker 1: show we have today. Soldatt O'Brien, the host of Matter

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Speaker 1: of Fact with Soldatto O'Brien, stops by to talk about

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Speaker 1: her new documentary, The Rebellious Life of Mrs Rosa Parks.

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Speaker 1: Then we talked to Will Rollins, who's the Democratic nominee

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Speaker 1: for California's forty one district. But first we have columnists

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Speaker 1: at The Eye Newspaper, host of Oh God, What Now?

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Speaker 1: In the Origin Story podcast, and author of How to

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Speaker 1: Be a Liberal? Ian Done. Welcome to Fast Politics, my

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Speaker 1: friend Ian Done. Like the podcast that happened before, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty much exactly the same, Yes, it's it's almost exactly same. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Your country is small but really has an outsized influence

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Speaker 1: on today's humor tactics. What is going on over there?

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Speaker 1: Such a continue? Well, we've just lost a prime minister.

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Speaker 1: That took forty five days. That's how long Liz Trust

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Speaker 1: got to be prime minister for, which is concidentally just

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Speaker 1: a little bit shorter than the amount of time that

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Speaker 1: the leadership election to select her took so in that alone,

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Speaker 1: which is managing to achieve something extraordinary. You've gotta remember,

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Speaker 1: right when I was growing up, I mean from to

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Speaker 1: we had four prime ministers since then. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: are just reeling through these guys now and she's our latest.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, are we her latest victim or as

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Speaker 1: she ares, It's impossible to tell at this stage. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: the last three weeks have been some of the most

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Speaker 1: astonishing and British politics that I've ever seen, which primarily

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Speaker 1: involves a grotesque, contorted moral instruction as to what happens

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Speaker 1: when you get sort of pure blood Thatcher right, Reagan

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Speaker 1: to treat the country as a laboratory. And what happens

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Speaker 1: is they crash the economy, burned themselves to death, and

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Speaker 1: then instantly flee. This the crime. That's pretty much what

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Speaker 1: we've seen. Well, I feel like the Lettuce. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to bring up Lettus because let Us

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Speaker 1: is such a pure vegetable. I guess the Lettuce didn't

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Speaker 1: last forty five days, so she did last longer than

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Speaker 1: let Us. No, were they cheated there slightly because I

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Speaker 1: think they only launched the Lettuce countdown about a week ago.

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Speaker 1: So the Lettuce one, yeah, the let us actually one, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Lettuce one, hands down. It was a fucking knockout blow.

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Speaker 1: Can the lettus become fromme, minister? Now? Well, that would

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Speaker 1: actually be a pretty good option compared to the other

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Speaker 1: ones that we've got facing us. I mean, the latest

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Speaker 1: so I don't know if this will still be the

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Speaker 1: appalling outcome that it must inevitably come true. Right, it

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Speaker 1: seems like right, So it's it's that Boris Johnson wants

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Speaker 1: to come back. Yes, so of course from from his

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Speaker 1: holiday in the Caribbean, he has sent in the national

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Speaker 1: interest quote. Of course, the national interest is all that

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Speaker 1: really concerned him. He is prepared to come back for

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Speaker 1: the leadership election. The leadership election is going to take

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Speaker 1: one week. It's going to be done by next Friday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You get it done fast man, get it going. Remember

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Speaker 1: the last one took months and months and months of

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Speaker 1: the most deranged, reactionary hysteria as these guys just shouted

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Speaker 1: So where does this go now we have for us?

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Speaker 1: can you explain to us why you can't just have

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Speaker 1: So unlike the President, who have you know, his own

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Speaker 1: to see even the women who were organizing the March

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Speaker 1: on Washington, for example, right, didn't actually necessarily get to

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Speaker 1: even speak at it at all you think about it.

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Speaker 1: So and that led to frankly a Rosa Parks not

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Speaker 1: getting any of the financial upside that came with being

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Speaker 1: the face and the voice of a new civil rights movement.

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Speaker 1: Dr King would go on to give speeches to travel

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Speaker 1: the world, and Rosa Parks who would also travel, but

436
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Speaker 1: she just wasn't paid. There was one we have a

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Speaker 1: stubb from from her her tax returns, where she and

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Speaker 1: her husband combined made just under seven hundred dollars one

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Speaker 1: years before they had to leave the state and and

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Speaker 1: go somewhere else where they could find employment. So I

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Speaker 1: do think women's contributions are often overlooked, even when they're

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Speaker 1: contributions are not just supporting contributions, which are important anyway,

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Speaker 1: but are often very central. I think we just in

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Speaker 1: history we just tend to overlook them. There there is

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Speaker 1: a woman named Recy Taylor who fits very strongly into

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Speaker 1: the Rosa Parks story. Rosa Park's job as a secretary

447
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Speaker 1: for the end of a CP is to travel around

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Speaker 1: the country and record acts of violence against black people.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that that's your job. I mean, that's crazy. So

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Speaker 1: she goes to interview Recy Taylor, who has been raped

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of white men on her way home

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Speaker 1: from church, who have informed her if if she tells anybody,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna kill her. Recent Taylor immediately goes to the

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Speaker 1: sheriff and reports it. But being the time that it was,

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Speaker 1: there was no sense that justice was ever going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And so Rosa Parks gets on a bus to go

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Speaker 1: and talk to Recy Taylor, and just this idea of

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Speaker 1: these two women, you know, both who know like there's

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Speaker 1: no justice in the short term. There's Recy Taylor is

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Speaker 1: recounting what happened, and Rosa Parks is taking notes and

461
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Speaker 1: absolutely recording what happened because it matters to posterity, but

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Speaker 1: not because it's ever gonna be solved or that the

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Speaker 1: men will be brought to justice. They won't. And so

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Speaker 1: I just there's a certain amount of bravery in that,

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Speaker 1: in doing that in the face of like, you're not

466
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Speaker 1: doing it for yourself. Later, when there's a documentary um

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Speaker 1: more recently now about Recy Taylor, you realize, like all

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Speaker 1: those facts and data points mattered, It did make a difference,

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't going to make a difference. In rec

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Speaker 1: Taylor's life at that moment because justice would not be served.

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Speaker 1: What a heartbreak. It sounds like you've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from making this movie, from putting this together, But what

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Speaker 1: were the things that really were shocked by? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think for our producers are director or producers, and

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Speaker 1: our directors Ruba Richard and Johanna Hamilton's I think all

476
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Speaker 1: of us we're just surprised at how little we knew

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Speaker 1: about a story we thought we knew. I mean I

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Speaker 1: I was shocked when I was told that there had

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Speaker 1: never been a full length dock in Rosa Parks. I

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Speaker 1: was like, uh huh, but let me google does to

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Speaker 1: make it? Doesn't? You know? It doesn't. That doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense. And we've opened the dock with a great

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Speaker 1: show called to Tell the Truth, which people of a

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Speaker 1: certain age will people will be a certain age to

485
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Speaker 1: know it, and if you're younger, you won't. But a

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Speaker 1: bunch of celebrities sit around and try to guess the

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Speaker 1: identity of three people you know, and they you know,

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Speaker 1: And each one stands up and says, I'm Rosa Parks,

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Speaker 1: and the next one says, I am Rosa Parks. And

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Speaker 1: the third one says, I am Rosa Parks, and the

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Speaker 1: celebrities have to figure out through questions who is the

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Speaker 1: real Rosa Parks, And all the celebrities get it wrong

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Speaker 1: until they come to Nipsey Russell, who has to accuse

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Speaker 1: himself because he says he knows Rosa Parks performed at

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Speaker 1: an event for her. And you realize, like, here is

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Speaker 1: again a woman who is so central right to what

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Speaker 1: is happening in the country at that time, and yet

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Speaker 1: you know, goes basically unnoticed, like no one can identify her.

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Speaker 1: That is such a metaphor I think for how Rosa

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Speaker 1: Parks and how history really has treated Rosa Parks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll say, I mean, and also such a bomber, and

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Speaker 1: our history has treated a lot of women of color

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Speaker 1: and women also. But at some point someone comes in

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Speaker 1: and says, you know, she she wrote a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should look at it. We should examine what

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Speaker 1: she was saying and what she was doing, what was

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Speaker 1: important to her and what mattered. And that to me

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Speaker 1: is I mean, I think for anybody who's a journalist, right,

509
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Speaker 1: it gives you the sense that it does matter that

510
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Speaker 1: actually being the person who sometimes these days sometimes it

511
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Speaker 1: feels like you're standing alone in a cordon Field show,

512
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Speaker 1: like this is not factually true? Why was a lie?

513
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Speaker 1: Use the word live. But you know that it does

514
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Speaker 1: matter to create a record for posterity, that that being

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Speaker 1: fact based does mean something and it is important and

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Speaker 1: we all should count that as having value. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about fact based since you're here. You think the media

518
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Speaker 1: has learned its lesson? Not at all. I mean, I

519
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Speaker 1: think you're seeing it right now. There's a great I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know how much I dislike Crystaliza mostly I will him,

521
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Speaker 1: so in some ways it's unfair. I dislike him I

522
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Speaker 1: mentally and I once was at a party and he

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Speaker 1: looked at me and I looked at him. It was

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Speaker 1: very awkward. Yeah, I would love that actually, because I

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Speaker 1: literally would have no problem going on and saying like

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Speaker 1: you are literally the symbol of mediocrity. It's like you

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Speaker 1: have an important platform and every day you just undermine

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Speaker 1: it with stupidity. So today his heat tweets something about

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Speaker 1: how we could all learn something from Wakonda about how

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Speaker 1: cities like but or you could actually point to actual

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Speaker 1: cities that exist. If you want to talk about how

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00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: transport in cities could is really important to focus on

533
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: and how we could rethink, like, you don't have to

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00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: go to Wakonda, where's actually today, real live stories and

535
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: you just undermine your own credibility at every turn with stupidity,

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Speaker 1: And so I don't I think he's a very good

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Speaker 1: example of No. I don't think the media has learned

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00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: a lesson because there's no but no consequence. There's no

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00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: consequence for getting it wrong, there's no consequence for for lying.

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Speaker 1: There's no consequence for giving a platform to people who lie.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't think they've been able to figure

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Speaker 1: it out. You know, social media has really given traditional

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Speaker 1: media a run for its money, and that's who they're

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Speaker 1: competing with. So you have to be more over the top.

545
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Speaker 1: You you have to get the clicks you and and

546
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Speaker 1: if that means hate clicks or like clicks or or

547
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Speaker 1: just oh my god, this is the craziest shift I've

548
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Speaker 1: ever seen clicks, then then that's what you're gonna do,

549
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: because that's how you're being judged. And unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 1: I think our audiences, I mean, I anchor a weekend

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Speaker 1: syndicated show, and we find the audiences really actually want

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00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: to learn something that's good. Actually, I can't imagine running

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Speaker 1: into a news director's office saying we should talk about

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Speaker 1: the power grid in Puerto Rico and how solar power

555
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: is on you know, but but you know, that was

556
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Speaker 1: our one of our best shows was literally going to

557
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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, and a big chunk of the show was

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Speaker 1: talking about people who fearful of another storm and are

559
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Speaker 1: as a mess, decided that they would work towards self

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Speaker 1: sufficiency and really create, you know, build solar power in

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Speaker 1: their own communities. People were very interested in how people

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Speaker 1: were making that work. That was a couple of million

563
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Speaker 1: people watch that show, you know, And so it's you know,

564
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: we like to do what is jerrymandering, explain how this process?

565
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: Watch what happens when hospitals feel like they're not getting

566
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Speaker 1: enough of a profit by having a baby center and instead,

567
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, can treat adults and that's better for their

568
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Speaker 1: bottom line. What happens to pregnant women, etcetera, etcetera. So

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Speaker 1: I just think that this take on everybody needing a

570
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Speaker 1: listical and a quick, funny, quippy type you know, analysis

571
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Speaker 1: is stupidity. It's just and and the audiences don't want it.

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Speaker 1: And there was a piece in York Magazine that sort

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Speaker 1: of got to this in a weird way. But there's

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Speaker 1: a theory going, at least in some parts of the

575
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Speaker 1: far right media industrial complex, that this sort of wow

576
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Speaker 1: factor of Donald Trump will not be enough to keep

577
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: audience is interested in. Yeah, I think they're learning that

578
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: and listen that they should have come to that much sooner.

579
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: People loved Donald Trump rambling on often like an idiot

580
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Speaker 1: making no sense at all. Right, he's the classic word salady,

581
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: like what are you even saying? This makes no sense,

582
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Speaker 1: but that no one wanted to do the analysis of

583
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: like this is nonsensical. Why is CNN keeping their shot

584
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Speaker 1: on a podium with a countdown where nothing is happening?

585
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Speaker 1: It is not news. So but it's it's about an event, right,

586
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Speaker 1: It's what we used to call event izing something, making

587
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Speaker 1: it an event, so you can push viewers to that

588
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to So we're gonna explain to you what

589
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: is happening, how this works, and what this means for you,

590
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: because we're gonna center you in the policy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds crazy, but it's doable. So yeah,

592
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Speaker 1: I think the magic is wearing off because He's now

593
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Speaker 1: become the equivalent of a bit of a like rambling

594
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Speaker 1: crazy person. Lots of anti semitism thrown in. Always been

595
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Speaker 1: a little dashes of racism there, like okay, what's let's

596
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Speaker 1: you know what's next. He might have worn out his welcome,

597
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Speaker 1: but certainly no one a few are saying we need

598
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Speaker 1: to move away from this as a whole. And and

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00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: a good example is Kanye. Right, the number of people

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Speaker 1: were like, what Kanye is saying is terrible. So coming

601
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: up in the next half hour, we're gonna have our

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Speaker 1: interview with Kanye where he will spew more anti semitic

603
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: content for us, and we're gonna be horrified. Stand By

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00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo interviewing Kanye, He's in the back of a

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Speaker 1: car staring out the window. It's dark out. Who even

606
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Speaker 1: knew that was an interview option? Yeah, it's because it's not.

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Speaker 1: Because no one does that. That is what they call

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Speaker 1: low rent, low grade, low quality bs. No producer is

609
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Speaker 1: going to let that shop through, right. No one's like, Okay,

610
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: we got him, let's take it. It doesn't work like that.

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00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: But again, if your goal is just to have him

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Speaker 1: repeat his you know, anti semitic talking, points. Then you're

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00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: fine because guess what you get to make news people

614
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Speaker 1: who are like, where the heck is Chris Pomo or

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Speaker 1: you know. Now you put your little show on the

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Speaker 1: map to some degree for some people. And and that's

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Speaker 1: what it's about. And it's very I mean, it's not complicated.

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: That's literally what it's about. And while you can also

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Speaker 1: tisk tisk, you know, Kanye West saying things that are

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Speaker 1: consistently because he's been saying it a lot now, consistently

621
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Speaker 1: anti semitic, it's right, it's not it's not shocking, right,

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Speaker 1: it's shocking that it's shocking. Donald Trump goes to jail, yes,

623
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Speaker 1: or now? I don't think so, because I don't think

624
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Speaker 1: America is really willing to do that. And I think

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00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: a good example is, of course Nixon, right, that they

626
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Speaker 1: didn't even let it get to Nixon admitting culpability, right,

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Speaker 1: and which I think ultimately had a huge impact on

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Speaker 1: the nation. I just don't think that is how our

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Speaker 1: country works, and I think there's a tremendous reluctance to

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Speaker 1: do that. I think you see it in the way

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Speaker 1: people like to talk about Listen, normal Republicans, regular Republicans, right,

632
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Speaker 1: this idea that there's a really super normal Republicans. Then

633
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Speaker 1: you have like the crazy people, and then you have

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. And I think what you actually see is

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Speaker 1: really the two Republican groups working in cots very much

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Speaker 1: using each other and understanding that one needs the other.

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Speaker 1: But when you want to believe in your little heart

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Speaker 1: that there's this normal group that you can deal with

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Speaker 1: and talk to and legislate with, you know, that shows

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Speaker 1: me that there's a bit of a just a really

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Speaker 1: lack of understanding of how it's all going. Yeah, so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us Solidad O'Brien, thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. It's always nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: One day we'll get to do it in person. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: Will Rollins is the Democrat nominee for Congress in California's

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Speaker 1: forty one district. Welcome to Fast Politics, Will Rollins, candidate

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Speaker 1: for the United States Congress. And what's your district now called?

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Speaker 1: It's California's forty one. Wow, So tell us the story

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Speaker 1: of the forty one district and how you got here, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I was a federal prosecutor for the last five years,

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Speaker 1: specialized in counter terrorism and counterintelligence cases in the Central

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Speaker 1: District of California, which covers all of Riverside County. Got

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Speaker 1: into this race because I believe my opponent, Ken Calvert

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Speaker 1: is a threat to our democracy. But the longer story

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Speaker 1: of how I got here really goes all the way

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Speaker 1: back to high school. You know where all the popular

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Speaker 1: kids started Model U N. Yeah, So I walked into

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Speaker 1: my first class of the day on September eleven, two

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Speaker 1: thousand one. It was a Model U N class. Somebody

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Speaker 1: turned on the TV. We watched as the North Tower

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Speaker 1: of the World Trade Center collapsed, and, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of kids who were sixteen seventeen eighteen, I started thinking

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Speaker 1: about enlistening in the U. S. Military. But in my case,

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Speaker 1: there was one big problem. Closeted gay kid hadn't told

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Speaker 1: a soul, not my parents, not my family, not my friends,

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Speaker 1: and didn't want to be out. It was scared. So

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Speaker 1: I thought about a different way to work in national security.

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Speaker 1: Went to Dartmouth, took Arabic, thought about joining the CIA.

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Speaker 1: Really sucked at Arabic. That was not going to be

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Speaker 1: my path. Eventually made it to Columbia Law School Clark

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Speaker 1: for a couple of judges and was lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: get hired at d O J and UM really loved

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Speaker 1: being a part of the team that helps protect this

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Speaker 1: country from threats from Russia, China, ran Isis al Qaeda.

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Speaker 1: But I was hired in under the Obama administration. And

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Speaker 1: what happened after that presidential election, you know, huge rising

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Speaker 1: the threats from domestic extremism, So whether it was you know,

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Speaker 1: neo Nazis going after Charlottesville or q and on conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theorists attacking US Navy hospital ships because they thought COVID

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Speaker 1: was part of the government conspiracy, huge rise in hate crimes.

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Speaker 1: And then January six, and I launched this campaign because

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Speaker 1: of what my opponent was doing while those of us

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Speaker 1: in federal law enforcement we're responding to that attack. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was voting to overturn the election. He was voting

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Speaker 1: against a commission to even investigate the attack, and then

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Speaker 1: called for dropping charges even after five cops had died

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Speaker 1: as a result of that attacks. So that's why I

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Speaker 1: got into this race. You're on the ground in it's

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Speaker 1: a Trump plus one, but you know there's parts of

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Speaker 1: that district that's very liberal and parts of the district

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Speaker 1: that are more conservative. I mean, what are you hearing

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Speaker 1: from people? What are the concerns of voters? What are

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Speaker 1: people talking to you about. It's shifted over time, but

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Speaker 1: there are two major ones that I've heard consistently, especially

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Speaker 1: after the DABS decision. I mean, and that's why I

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Speaker 1: think we're building a pretty incredibly broad coalition that's going

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Speaker 1: to flip the seat. So one is economic. No doubt

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Speaker 1: that inflation is having a huge impact on our wallets.

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Speaker 1: But we've got a representative who historically has cared more

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Speaker 1: about his own wallet than any of the rest of ours.

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Speaker 1: Will you explain that to us for sure? So this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who's net worth has increased up to

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars since he took office in and he's

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Speaker 1: done that by using inside information and our tax dollars

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Speaker 1: to fund his own private real estate investments. And this

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Speaker 1: is something that even Fox News has covered. Chris Wallace

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Speaker 1: did a seven minute segment on Ken Calvert's use of

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Speaker 1: tax dollars to put in a highway exchange near his

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Speaker 1: own private real estate holdings that then led to a

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Speaker 1: nearly half million dollar profit in the mid two thousand's.

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Speaker 1: And so part of what I've been talking about with

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Speaker 1: constituents and voters in this district is we need somebody

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Speaker 1: to step up and fight against the kind of systemic

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Speaker 1: corruption that is taking a real bite out of our wallets.

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Speaker 1: Because if you've got somebody in Congress who cares more

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Speaker 1: about their own real estate dealings than actually delivering for

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Speaker 1: their constituents, then we're not going to have a meaningful

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Speaker 1: plan to fight against inflation. And that's why if you

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Speaker 1: look at how this guy is going to vote, all

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Speaker 1: you need to do is follow the money. Hundreds of

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Speaker 1: thousands from the oil and gas industry votes against cracking

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Speaker 1: down on oil company price gudging, hundreds of thousands from

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Speaker 1: big pharma, votes against capping the cost of prescription drugs

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Speaker 1: and insulin. Glad that there are voters who are interested

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Speaker 1: in some of the policy proposals I've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: like banning all members of Congress from trading stocks, banning

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Speaker 1: corporate contributions. So those really cut across partying lines. Really

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Speaker 1: there are Republicans who support that. Yeah, I'm ordinary Republican voters.

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Speaker 1: Voters support it, but not Republican politicians. Right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: And there there's a big opportunity for folks like me

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Speaker 1: who are willing and to be fair, you know this

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Speaker 1: is a bipartisan problem. Yeah, And I think that's what's

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Speaker 1: made me optimistic about our chances here, because when you

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Speaker 1: can campaign on an idea that is as popular as

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Speaker 1: banning members from trading stocks, and you're willing to say

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Speaker 1: it again and again and talk about how that is

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Speaker 1: going to help UM lower our collective costs because you

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Speaker 1: can actually get, for example, also corporate contributions out of

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Speaker 1: campaign finance, which is a heavy lift, but one that

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Speaker 1: again is popular and cuts across party lines. UM people

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Speaker 1: want that, and it's it's great to be a candidate

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Speaker 1: campaigning on popular ideas that the country really deserves to

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Speaker 1: have enacted. Do you think it's a bit weird that

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Speaker 1: Republicans are sort of getting all of these votes on

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Speaker 1: the economy, right, Like you read these pollings and they say,

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Speaker 1: you know, voters trust Republicans on the economy, but what

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Speaker 1: would Republicans even due to ease inflation? Right? In my case,

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Speaker 1: I'm running against a guy who is running TV commercials

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Speaker 1: lying to voters about what he even legally can do

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Speaker 1: about inflation. So he's telling people I'm going to repeal

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Speaker 1: the California state gas tax. That's basically what he's what

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Speaker 1: he's telling people in his TV ads. Well. As a

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Speaker 1: federal legislator, he has zero authority over the California state

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Speaker 1: gas tax, and there's no way that a Republican House,

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Speaker 1: for example, bowl could get that done, and so there

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Speaker 1: are no credible plans. He's also a guy who has

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Speaker 1: taken credit for infrastructure projects that he voted against, and

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Speaker 1: I think this is you know, unfortunately, when the electorate

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Speaker 1: becomes fatigued, it is difficult for voters, regular voters to

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Speaker 1: just sort through the amount of bs that is put

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Speaker 1: out from our elected politicians, especially people like Calvert who

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Speaker 1: have refused to have any debate or exchange with me

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Speaker 1: of any kind. And that does a disservice to our

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Speaker 1: entire democracy when people are willing to spout lies, won't

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Speaker 1: debate their opponents, and expect to somehow cruise to victory

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Speaker 1: on a platform that is unexplained or based on um

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Speaker 1: entirely on falsehoods. What do you need now? I think

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Speaker 1: we need to get turnout up and that that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the second big issue that really I've seen again

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Speaker 1: cutting through party lines. You know, I tell the story

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Speaker 1: about my aunt was a lifelong Republican, changed her registration

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Speaker 1: and after the Supreme Court's decision in Dabbs. And I'm

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Speaker 1: running against somebody who joined that lawsuit to overturn Row,

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Speaker 1: who voted in for a national abortion ban with no

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Speaker 1: exceptions to save the life of a woman, and who's

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Speaker 1: even voted to allow child predators to sue to prevent

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Speaker 1: their victims from getting an abortion. And I have had

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Speaker 1: so many conversations with voters in this district that are

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Speaker 1: both Republicans and Democrats. I remember talking to Republican cops

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Speaker 1: and firefighters in this district who have said, I've got

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Speaker 1: a daughter, There's no way I want her growing up

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Speaker 1: in a world where she doesn't have the right to

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Speaker 1: control her own body or her own destiny. And I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at every special election in the

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Speaker 1: US House that has happened since Dabbs, you know Democrats

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Speaker 1: are outperforming that Biden number by an average of five points.

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Speaker 1: And the coalition that we're building really cuts across the

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Speaker 1: spectrum because there are so many people who are libertarians,

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Speaker 1: who believe that the government shouldn't have a place in

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Speaker 1: your bedroom or your doctor's office, who don't believe that

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Speaker 1: federal agents should be dispatched to search medical files or

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Speaker 1: to stop and arrest women before they board planes to

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Speaker 1: travel to another state, or to cross state lines on

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Speaker 1: a bus. That is an Orwellian nightmare for people across

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Speaker 1: the political spectrum. And when we're running against people who

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Speaker 1: believe you should use the law to dismiss charges against

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Speaker 1: people who who attacked the U. S. Capital, but that

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Speaker 1: it's okay to prosecute women who get an abortion and

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Speaker 1: their doctors. It is a testament to how urgent the

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Speaker 1: moment is for the United States and why I think

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Speaker 1: we will flip this seat because he is out of

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Speaker 1: touch with most of Americans. What do you think Biden

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Speaker 1: could do that would help you as a congressman running

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Speaker 1: in a purple district. I think we need to talk

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Speaker 1: more about tax relief are working families, and I think

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Speaker 1: we should have been talking about this from January. And

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of economists who are understandably concerned

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Speaker 1: about the impact that tax cuts could have on inflation

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Speaker 1: right now. But I think that it is possible to

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Speaker 1: both provide targeted tax relief for people who are suffering

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Speaker 1: the effects of higher interest rates, which are going to

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Speaker 1: impact how much you pay every month for your car,

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Speaker 1: how much you pay for your mortgage, and our ability

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Speaker 1: to get some of those working families, like people in

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Speaker 1: Riverside County where that family average income is about seventy

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Speaker 1: thousand per year and they're seeing people like Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: and Jeff Bezos pay zero dollars twice in the last

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Speaker 1: decade in federal income taxes. And we we as a

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Speaker 1: party have an ability to champion those working families and

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Speaker 1: to talk specifically about how targeted tax relief for that

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Speaker 1: that folks in that bracket, while also making our tax

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Speaker 1: system a little more fair, can both help put more

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Speaker 1: money in the pockets of people who need it and

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Speaker 1: also allow the Federal Reserve to do its job and

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Speaker 1: get inflation under control without hopefully, you know, causing an

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Speaker 1: UH your recession. Wouldn't theoretically tax cuts actually make inflation

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Speaker 1: worse because they would create more money and create more spending. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why I say it needs to be targeted, because

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Speaker 1: I think and if if you look at all the

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Speaker 1: studies on what's happening now with inflation, is the people

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Speaker 1: who are really getting hit by it are feeling the

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Speaker 1: people in the working families in my district, they're feeling

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Speaker 1: the pinch of inflation as a punch. The people making

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Speaker 1: forty million a year, that's they're not feeling it. So

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Speaker 1: there's a big difference between I think those targeted tax

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Speaker 1: cuts and making our tax system a little bit more fair, um,

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Speaker 1: and having people in the top four families in the

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Speaker 1: United States who pay an average of eight percent pay

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Speaker 1: something similar to what the rest of us pay. I

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Speaker 1: think if you balance that, while the Federal Reserve also

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Speaker 1: raised his rates, there's a way to provide immediate relief

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Speaker 1: for working families without adding to the inflationary problem because

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Speaker 1: most consumers spending happens among some of the top income

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Speaker 1: earners in the United States, and whereas people at the

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Speaker 1: bottom right now are struggling to even fill their tanks

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Speaker 1: with gas or buy groceries at the grocery store. And

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Speaker 1: when I'm running against somebody who has actually voted to

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Speaker 1: increased taxes on Californians, because that's what Kevin McCarthy told

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Speaker 1: him to do when he capped the state and local

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Speaker 1: income tax deduction in seventeen and lowered that mortgage interest

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Speaker 1: have UM. That's another issue that I've been able to

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Speaker 1: highlight in my district that Republican small business owners. I

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Speaker 1: see a ton of them nodding their heads when I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about it because they know, yes, their their taxes

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Speaker 1: went way up thanks to that round of cuts, and

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Speaker 1: in California, because we are, like it or not, a

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Speaker 1: high tax state, and so you need that deduction to

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Speaker 1: help your bottom line. And Calvert is the only candidate

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Speaker 1: in this race who's actually raised taxes on a lot

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Speaker 1: of those um small business owners in in California. So

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Speaker 1: you think a targeted tax cut for the for working

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Speaker 1: people would help Democrats, Yeah, it is, and I think

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Speaker 1: you have to be fiscally responsible about it. You can't

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Speaker 1: just say that it's gonna be a tax cut for

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Speaker 1: working families without also making the tax system more fair.

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Speaker 1: But I think that is long overdue anyway. You look

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Speaker 1: at our levels of income inequality, and we've reached sent

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Speaker 1: a century high level of oligarchic concentration of wealth in

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Speaker 1: the United States. The top four d families here control

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Speaker 1: of all wealth in the United States, more than a

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million people. And it's really not about

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Speaker 1: punishing success. It's about saying that if you are a

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Speaker 1: small business owner, if you're a teacher, if you're a cop,

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Speaker 1: you should not be paying more of a percent of

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Speaker 1: your income than the wealthiest human beings who have ever

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Speaker 1: existed in the United States. It's just not fair. It's regressive,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, what we're doing is punishing people who

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Speaker 1: have to work for a salary for a living because

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Speaker 1: they're seeing their income taken away each year, whereas people

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Speaker 1: who are billionaires can borrow against their assets and pay nothing,

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Speaker 1: little to nothing in federal income taxes. And so I

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Speaker 1: think if you use this as an opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: that system a little more fair. We all know the

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Speaker 1: Federal Reserve is going to continue to raise rates, but

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of creative ways to make that

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Speaker 1: system fairer and to keep inflation under control while also

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Speaker 1: giving people at the bottom who are feeling the pinch

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Speaker 1: of that inflation as a punch, a little bit more

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Speaker 1: money in their pockets. Why do you think working people

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily associate like democrats, You know, like we've seen

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Speaker 1: democratic president of the Lord, the deficit we've seen. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that that Democrats aren't able to sort

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Speaker 1: of claim that Moniker is good on the economy, I

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Speaker 1: think we get distracted in some ways, and our our

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Speaker 1: messaging can be diverse and confusing. I mean, even the

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Speaker 1: way that I'm talking about this now is not simple enough.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest about that, you know, and we

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Speaker 1: as a party and people like me as a candidate,

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Speaker 1: cannot stop trying to simplify that message and repeat it

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Speaker 1: again and again and again. And I think if, as

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Speaker 1: we had seen inflation continue to rise, if we had

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Speaker 1: had a simplified version of what I just discussed on

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Speaker 1: this on this podcast and explained how we can put

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Speaker 1: money into the pockets of working families while also making

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Speaker 1: our taxes toem more fair and keeping inflation under control,

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Speaker 1: that could have helped. And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's helping in my district when I talk about it

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Speaker 1: with voters across party lines. But we really can't give

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Speaker 1: up on repeating that message about our fight for working

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Speaker 1: families enough. I think we have to keep saying that

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Speaker 1: again and again, and uh that message will eventually. I

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Speaker 1: believe we can claim that mantle because we've certainly earned it.

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Speaker 1: And if we say it enough and we simplify it,

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Speaker 1: I'm confident that the voters are gonna eventually get that

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Speaker 1: and we'll turn out and support us in November. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Will Rollins, Thank you Molly for having me.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it, Molly, John Fast, Jesse Cannon. You know,

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Speaker 1: I tried to watch Tucker the other night. I lasted

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Speaker 1: two whole minutes, but I just watched this clip you

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Speaker 1: sent me, and I do not like it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I watched some Tucker today in my hotel and then

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Speaker 1: the cable went out, so I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: sign from God. One of the things that Tuck across

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Speaker 1: and really loves is to use his rabid fan base

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Speaker 1: to target journalists, largely women journalists. Funny thing that way

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly and he Brandy's a Drowsney got it on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: went because Tucker was mad at her for something she

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Speaker 1: had written. On Wednesday night, he went after Tiffany Cross,

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Speaker 1: who's a young anchor woman who's black, and he did

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Speaker 1: a sort of montage of different guests of hers saying

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Speaker 1: things he considered to be anti white. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: really was working hard to try to find clips to

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Speaker 1: get his space excited. And you know, as someone who

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Speaker 1: has myself had the experience not with Tucker, but though

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Speaker 1: he did say he thought it was stupid, but not

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Speaker 1: with other Fox hosts and people like that, of being

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Speaker 1: targeted by them, it's actually quite scary. I mean, emails

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Speaker 1: get flooded with death threats and people telling you you suck.

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Speaker 1: You know, they say mean things about my kids on

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Speaker 1: Instagram posts, and it's just a really grim way to live.

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Speaker 1: And like Tucker knows he's doing this, but it works

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Speaker 1: and it scares some journalists away, and that's the goal.

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Speaker 1: I did notice that in this segment he said something

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Speaker 1: about white women as the key to reproducing the white race,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, can you believe this ship is on TV.

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Speaker 1: We've gone really far down the rabbit hole in a

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Speaker 1: bad way, and so we will honor that in our

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Speaker 1: moment of gray. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to your the

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Speaker 1: best minds and politics makes sense of all this chaos.

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Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.