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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I finally made it

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Speaker 2: back to Miami, Clay after what was it twelve thousand

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Speaker 2: flights canceled earlier in the week. Things getting a little

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Speaker 2: crazy there and lots of people affected by this. What's

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Speaker 2: going on with the FAA? Is it Mayor Pete bouda

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Speaker 2: judge supposed to be handling this kind of stuff. Transportation secretary,

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Speaker 2: He's doing a heck of a job. He's the most

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Speaker 2: infamous transportation secretary, maybe the only one anyone could even

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Speaker 2: name in recent memory. But we will dive into a

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Speaker 2: little bit of what's going on there later on. We

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Speaker 2: also have very interesting case in New York City of

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Speaker 2: He was arrested for stabbing to death a guy that

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Speaker 2: charges dismissed, which is interesting considering the Daniel Penny case

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Speaker 2: also making its way through the courts. We will absolutely

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Speaker 2: discuss that, but I think we should hop right into this.

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of things to talk about today.

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Speaker 2: Senator Tim Scott, presidential candidate, will be with us later.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy, not joining today, says he doesn't feel well.

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Speaker 2: Clay will give the benefit of the doubt on this

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Speaker 2: one and just say, Okay, I do believe he was

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Speaker 2: on TV this morning, but if he's really not feeling well,

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Speaker 2: we will gladly have him on next week to answer

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Speaker 2: some questions.

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Speaker 3: You feeling you have to feel to not do a

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Speaker 2: Really sick, like no voice problem. I think short of

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Speaker 2: no voice, it's probably inexcusable. So but what look benefit

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Speaker 2: of the doubt, because we're gentlemen, We're just gonna it's

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Speaker 2: not We don't think he's ducking us here. This is

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Speaker 2: a great opportunity for any Republican presidential contender, for any candidate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and our audience is so big RFK Junior, I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: why would you not want to talk to this audience.

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Speaker 2: So little strange? You just want to tell you because

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Speaker 2: we promoted it and we did have him booked, and

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Speaker 2: he's backed out. He's claiming health reasons. And you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe so we're okay, we're just gonna we're gonna take

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Speaker 2: should be having them on the next week or two.

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Speaker 2: All Right. The big story today, by far, huge breaking

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Speaker 2: news from just the last two hours or so, is

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Speaker 2: that affirmative action in college admissions has been resoundingly ruled unconstitutional,

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Speaker 2: a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. A six '

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Speaker 2: to three decision coming down. I was ripping through its

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Speaker 2: speed reading as fast as I could today when this

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Speaker 2: about this. Joe Biden, I believe, is going to speak

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Speaker 2: about this decision to Yeah. Yes, President Biden is going

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Speaker 2: to give remarks at twelve thirty Eastern, so the bottom

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Speaker 2: of this hour he may be addressing everyone. Clay, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty straightforward when you read, and I'm very curious hear

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Speaker 2: the first times that I realized that the Left just

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Speaker 2: makes up things and is dishonest. Early on in my

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Speaker 2: political formulation was on affirmative action. As a high school kid,

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Speaker 2: I saw I had the Asian kids in my class.

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Speaker 2: I went to a technically like a school for the gifted.

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Speaker 2: I had Asian kids in my class who were, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, geniuses in their respective fields of study, and

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Speaker 2: they were having very different college lists and very different

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Speaker 2: admissions from some of the other minorities in the class,

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Speaker 2: who we knew were much lower down in the class

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Speaker 2: rankings by GPA. And that was when you say, hold on,

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Speaker 2: why is this fair?

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Speaker 1: It's not fair.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the whole thing is not fair, and we.

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Speaker 1: Can get into it.

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Speaker 2: And for you, what was the single For me, there

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Speaker 2: all of it. That was from the majority opinion.

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Speaker 3: What stood out to me is and there's not going

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Speaker 3: you get substantial detraction based on being Asian when it

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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty point bonus on average, and if

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Speaker 3: Greg Price, Harvard's affirmative action policies, and I'm reading from

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Speaker 3: from now. Huge majorities in the United States believe this

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court decision is the right one, Buck. Seventy four

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Speaker 3: because we talked about this on the program, the state

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Speaker 3: And this, to me is is indicative buck of how

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Speaker 3: often the talking points of left wing policy are super

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Speaker 3: It doesn't even reflect what the majority of the party believes.

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Speaker 2: Justice Roberts, writing for the Majority, had a real peace

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Speaker 2: by piece demolition of this. There's the what I would

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Speaker 2: There's some of this back and forth, and then there's

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Speaker 2: Both they lose on both counts. The pro affirmative action

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Speaker 2: does that mean? It's meaningless. I mean, this is a meaningless,

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Speaker 2: more absurd. The categories are overbroad. It's another thing they

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Speaker 2: why this whole thing really fell apart of me. You

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Speaker 2: bring that to the conversation. That's absurd. You can't make

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Speaker 2: to black and Hispanic applicants. Well, zero sum.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What it does is it presumes that you are a

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Speaker 3: be some element of consideration for socioeconomic status.

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Speaker 1: Right. It is, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Harder for someone from the lowest quartile, right, the bottom

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Speaker 3: no matter who their what their background is. Right, there

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Speaker 3: It is harder to rise. This is factual. It is

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Speaker 3: don't think that makes sense either. I just wish we had,

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Speaker 3: We went to elite schools, but by the time you're

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Speaker 3: Has no impact whatsoever on your success once you're out

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Speaker 2: So I really mean this, and I say this with

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Speaker 1: Okay, Buck.

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Speaker 3: to your desk. Much of that time is spent trying

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Speaker 3: to pay off of your existing law school loans. You

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Speaker 3: aren't doing, for the most part, high level intellectual work.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of grunt work. There are worse jobs.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it, but I do think this idea

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Speaker 3: to get sold to kids that that is oftentimes not reflective.

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Speaker 1: And look what I did.

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Speaker 3: I went into media and ended up, you know, completely

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Speaker 3: doing something different, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was going to say, I remember at

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Speaker 2: Amherst where I went, there was all this on campus recruiting,

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Speaker 2: and it was really overwhelmingly in two fields. Because you've

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Speaker 2: got to remember, this is two thousand and four. So

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Speaker 2: it's pre Great Recession, and you know it was investment

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Speaker 2: banking and management consulting. Go work for Goldman, go work

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Speaker 2: for McKenzie. That was kind of or some variation of

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Speaker 2: you know those firms out there, you know, JP Morgan

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Those are sweat shops out there for people who don't

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Speaker 3: know what investment banking jobs are.

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Speaker 1: For young kids, they are brutal.

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Speaker 2: Well, see, this is what I was gonna tell.

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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Of the people I knew who did that, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of my graduating class went to those places, almost

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Speaker 2: none of them stayed in those fields. Almost none of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean at this point, I mean one out of

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Speaker 2: one out of twenty one out of thirty maybe are

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Speaker 2: still working. And I mean I'm much talking about at

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Speaker 2: that firm. I mean in that business. I had a

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Speaker 2: friend who got out, went into finance and he opened

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Speaker 2: he got into the restaurant business. I had another friend

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Speaker 2: who gott went into finance and then he went. So

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Speaker 2: now people will argue, they'll say, well, it's a huge

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Speaker 2: benefit to your resume to go to one of those

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Speaker 2: fancy places. It helps you go other places. The point

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Speaker 2: is that the way that career fields work now you

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Speaker 2: and I are both examples of this in sort of

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Speaker 2: both different and similar respects. Is that you figure out

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Speaker 2: which where you have opportunity, where you want to be,

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Speaker 2: what you think you're good at, and you move and

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Speaker 2: maneuver the spend thirty years at the company and be

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Speaker 2: a company man and retire. And that's that's just much

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Speaker 2: less common these days anyway, So that that whole notion is,

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Speaker 2: I think is changing very rapidly, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me say this too. This is a good

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Speaker 3: email I just got from one of our listeners, Carl.

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Speaker 3: He said, I have to disagree with your statement that

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Speaker 3: a university degree doesn't matter after your first job. I'm

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Speaker 3: sixty years old, and my association and degrees from Texas

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Speaker 3: A and M help me regularly in my business. Otherwise,

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Speaker 3: you and Buck have a great show. It's a good

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Speaker 3: point I should bring up. I do think Buck, you

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Speaker 3: were mentioning athletics.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, good show.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell Yeah, I'll take it you're totally wrong on

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Speaker 3: which I respect.

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Speaker 1: You're totally wrong on this. I will say. If you

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Speaker 1: have a strong association with your.

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Speaker 3: Alumni group, and sometimes that can be Hey, we are

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Speaker 3: all Monster fans of and I bet this guy is

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Speaker 3: a big Texas A and m Fight Naggie fan, and

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Speaker 3: you go back to games all the time, and your

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Speaker 3: network is very much connected in that way that can

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Speaker 3: have a long term impact in a super positive way.

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Speaker 3: Where it's not necessarily though the degree. It's basically the

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Speaker 3: fraternity and relationships that you have with all of these people.

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Speaker 3: And if you are a diehard fan of a sports team,

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Speaker 3: it is true that you may look at some of

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Speaker 3: those initial applications when they come in and be like, Oh,

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Speaker 3: this person went to my favorite school, and you may

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Speaker 3: be more likely to respond to it. I don't think

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Speaker 3: anybody ever saw me go to GW and was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I got to give this kid a job. Now I

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Speaker 3: went straight to law school again. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 3: take a shot at GW because I don't want somebody

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Speaker 3: out Inevitably, people that are out there buck right now.

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Speaker 3: They're like, you know, little Susie or little Johnny just

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Speaker 3: graduating from high school and the family's ecstatic and they're

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Speaker 3: going to be paying X number of dollars and everything.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the individual that's my ultimate.

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Speaker 2: Takeing is But you can also get a great education.

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Speaker 2: We live in an era with the democratization of education,

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Speaker 2: and your ability to be an autodidact of a really

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Speaker 2: high caliber is leaps and bounds beyond what ever used

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Speaker 2: to be. I don't even think that many people know

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Speaker 2: whether it's con Academy or you know, they're a whole

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Speaker 2: series of Yale.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've listened our friends at Hillsdale who put

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Speaker 3: out incredible programming all the time that you can go

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Speaker 3: check out program that's free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's but that's what I mean. You can

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Speaker 2: you have access to whole university lecture series and and

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Speaker 2: their reading list if you want, which any of you

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Speaker 2: have been in the university, you know, that's basically what

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Speaker 2: college is. You go to lectures, you do some papers,

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Speaker 2: you have exams, rints, repeat, that's what it is. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's all out there. You can get an excellent, uh,

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Speaker 2: you can get an excellent, excellent education at at so

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Speaker 2: many of these places. They all have the resources and

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Speaker 2: the basics to put it in place for you. But

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Speaker 2: I think that people are going to be changing a

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Speaker 2: lot of their their view here that you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you. Growing up in New York City, Clay, it's

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Speaker 2: if you didn't get into an IVY or something similar.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Everyone's like, oh, that's that's rough. You know,

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Speaker 2: is obsessed with school, obsessed with this stuff. Almost the

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Speaker 2: country is, you know, and and everyone can point out, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Stanford's not an IVY, Duke's not an IVY, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Those are amazing schools in terms of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the difficulty of getting in. But I think that it's changed.

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Speaker 2: I think the whole system has changed, and it's changed

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Speaker 2: in part because of legacy admissions, athletic recruiting, affirmative action.

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Speaker 2: There are reasons that people get into these schools that

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Speaker 2: aren't that they're such amazing. I wouldn't even say that,

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Speaker 2: you know. It's it's about how It's not about how

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Speaker 2: smart somebody is, but how well did they perform academically

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Speaker 2: in high school. There are a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: didn't perform very well academically in high school who went

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Speaker 2: to these places, right, I mean, that's you know. I

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Speaker 2: mean I think famously, Jared Kushner was like dead last

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Speaker 2: in his class in high school, went to Harvard.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that, Yes, I will, I will

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Speaker 3: say this to Buck. The best argument I think you

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Speaker 3: can make is one that Carl kind of hit on.

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Speaker 3: I think the peer group, to the extent that you

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Speaker 3: pay for your peer group being surrounded by super smart people.

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Speaker 3: I think you learn more outside of college oftentimes than

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Speaker 3: you do in the classroom, and certainly the relationships that

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Speaker 3: you make with the classmates that you meet there ends

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Speaker 3: up being the most valuable aspect I would say, of

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Speaker 3: college or law school, or any graduate degree that you

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Speaker 3: would get. But it's just such a fascinating, such a

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Speaker 3: fascinating debate and discussion. I think in general that's all

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Speaker 3: tied in with what the Supreme Court did today. You

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Speaker 3: feel the effects of inflation every day, whether you're at

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Speaker 3: the gas station, supermarket, or even just buying a cup

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Speaker 2: From the front Lines of Truth, Klay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Third Hour of Clayan Buck kicks off right now. We

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Speaker 2: are joined by Republican Senator and presidential candidate Tim Scott.

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Speaker 2: Senator Scott, good to have you back on the program

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Speaker 2: Sir well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you both for having me back. Excited to be back.

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Speaker 2: So we want to talk to you, obviously about the

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Speaker 2: race and all of that. You know in a moment here,

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Speaker 2: how it's going running for president and all that. But

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Speaker 2: I did want to start, if I could, with your

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Speaker 2: reaction to the Supreme Court ruling today on admissions and

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Speaker 2: the use of race as a factor. What are your

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway, Senator, I think the.

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Speaker 4: Biggest takeaway for me is that progress in America is palpable.

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Speaker 4: We can literally feel the progress in the air. I

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Speaker 4: thank God Almighty that the story of America is not

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Speaker 4: the story of an original sin. It is a story

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Speaker 4: of redemption. We see that playing out every single day

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Speaker 4: as we continue to strive towards a more perfect union.

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Speaker 4: And frankly, today is better than yesterday. This year is

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Speaker 4: better than last year, This decade is better than last decade.

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Speaker 4: So judging people on the content of their character, not

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Speaker 4: the color of their skin, is what I consider being

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Speaker 4: an American.

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Speaker 3: No doubt. And so when you actually look at this,

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Speaker 3: there are overwhelming majorities of Americans who agree with you.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about that earlier in the program, even

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Speaker 3: a majority of Democrats, and certainly I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 3: the vote that happened in California in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 3: which shot down affirmative action as well. Why do you

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Speaker 3: think the far left wing of the Democrat Party has

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Speaker 3: so taken over that argument on their behalf when it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even represent what their own party believes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the things that we have to get

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Speaker 4: uncomfortable with. We need to be uncomfortable with the fact

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Speaker 4: that the Democrats and the radical left are willing to

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Speaker 4: use weaponize race as a weapon for power, not thinking

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Speaker 4: about progress. And why say we need to be uncomfortable

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Speaker 4: is that conservatives are specifically conservatives like myself. We need

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Speaker 4: to be stepping out and speaking up about the importance

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Speaker 4: of the American journey the less continue to look in

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Speaker 4: the rear view mirror of life and look for ways

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Speaker 4: to bring up our painful past and to posit to

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Speaker 4: the American people that this is our future. The good

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Speaker 4: news is that the people in California reject that premise,

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Speaker 4: and the entire nation rejects that premise. Can we measure

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Speaker 4: progress or must we resign ourselves living in the past.

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Speaker 4: Americans have decided we're going to live in the future

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Speaker 4: and in the presence, not in the past. And let

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Speaker 4: me just say this, I understand the importance of progress

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Speaker 4: from a racial perspective. It's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 4: I celebrate the progress that we have seen in this country.

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Speaker 4: My grandfather's America is very different than my mother's America,

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Speaker 4: and my mother's America improved so much. For my America.

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Speaker 4: The good news is we are serious about perfecting this union.

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Speaker 4: But the Democrats and the frankly the radical left, they're

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Speaker 4: so drunk on power, they're so interested in control that

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Speaker 4: they sometimes weaponize very sensitive issues of race or gender.

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Speaker 4: And so you can't be black if you don't vote

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Speaker 4: for a Democrat, you can't be a woman, you don't

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Speaker 4: vote for a Democrat. That's just a lie.

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Speaker 2: Just being the Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, he's

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Speaker 2: running for president and senator. With that in mind, wanted

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Speaker 2: to ask you, you know, there are a bunch of

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Speaker 2: different candidates now on the Republican side, but Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is far out ahead in the polls, certainly all the

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Speaker 2: national polls. Why are you the best candidate in this race,

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Speaker 2: in this competition? You know, I mean, you're a guy

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Speaker 2: that you Republican colleagues have a tremendous amount of respect

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Speaker 2: for and I think your story about just your vision

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Speaker 2: of America is very, very compelling. But why are you,

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Speaker 2: Senator the best option to be the next commander in

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Speaker 4: Well. Number one, I think I'm the most likely candidate

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Speaker 4: to beat Joe Biden in the field today according to

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Speaker 4: polls and other information. Number Two, I believe America can

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Speaker 4: do for anyone what she has done for me. It's

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Speaker 4: one of the things that we've found out on the

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Speaker 4: campaign trail is that people are hungry for an optimistic,

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Speaker 4: positive message with a backbone and anchored in the conservative

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Speaker 4: principles that have truly revolutionized what it meant to be

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Speaker 4: good and what it represents for human flourishing. I have

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Speaker 4: had the good privilege of starting off on the wrong

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Speaker 4: side of the proverbial tracks, and because of the America

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Speaker 4: that we love, we've been able to cross that track

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Speaker 4: and live my American dream. In order for that to

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Speaker 4: happen for the next generation, we have to restore hope,

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Speaker 4: create it opportunities, and protect the America that we love

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Speaker 4: that starts with our southern border. I will say without

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Speaker 4: any question, I have worked on legislation as a legislator,

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Speaker 4: and I would sign it as president to stop the

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Speaker 4: flow of sentinel across our southern border leading to the

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Speaker 4: deaths of seventy thousand Americans. I would freeze the assets

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Speaker 4: of the Mexican cartels and make sure that they cease

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Speaker 4: to exist as an existential threat to more than seventy

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Speaker 4: thousand Americans.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Senator Tim Scott. Senator, you've gotten ripped

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Speaker 3: quite a lot. I think the last time we had

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Speaker 3: you on the view had come after you I saw

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama basically taking shots at you too, the former president.

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Speaker 1: What did you think about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's the highest compliment that a Republican can get

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Speaker 4: when they when they pull out President Obama, the most

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Speaker 4: popular figure in the Democrat construct to attack me for

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Speaker 4: being too positive, for being unrealistic about what America can

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Speaker 4: do for poor kids in this country, especially poor minority kids.

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Speaker 4: The good news is the truth of my life disrupts

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Speaker 4: their narrative and disproves their lives. He came out because

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Speaker 4: as my numbers continue to increase, as my visibility becomes stronger,

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Speaker 4: people see me as the most likely candidate to beat

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, and they want to stop me in my tracks.

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Speaker 4: So I look at it as a high compliment that

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Speaker 4: they're bringing out their best and their brightest.

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Speaker 2: Senator Scott, what would be the centerpiece you will, or

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Speaker 2: perhaps the central message of the economy that you'd preside

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Speaker 2: over as president if you were able.

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Speaker 1: To win.

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Speaker 4: Number one? We would do everything that Joe Biden has done.

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Speaker 4: We would do exactly the opposite. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 4: his decisions print and spend four trillion dollars led to

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Speaker 4: sixteen percent inflation, followed by ten rate increases five hundred

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Speaker 4: basis points, a loss of spending power for the average

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Speaker 4: American family of ten thousand dollars in less than two years.

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Speaker 4: I would do exactly the opposite. I would turn to

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Speaker 4: pigot off to stop printing and spending money. We would

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Speaker 4: stop thinking of ourselves as a nation that can extend

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Speaker 4: more benefits to these current Americans at the expense of

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Speaker 4: future Americans. We would start igniting our energy economy by

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Speaker 4: signing on the first day the XL Keystone Pipeline. Second,

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Speaker 4: we would allow for the leases that would be used

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Speaker 4: today to extract energy from our own soil, so that

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Speaker 4: We're no longer begging tyrants and dictators and bullies for

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Speaker 4: oil and gas. We would do it ourselves. In America.

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Speaker 4: We would lower taxes because Biden increased those taxes. We

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Speaker 4: would make permanent the tax cuts from twenty seventeen that

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Speaker 4: expire in twenty twenty five, two trillion dollars of tax cuts.

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Speaker 4: We would make those permanent. And we would make sure

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Speaker 4: that every child in every zip code has quality education

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Speaker 4: so that they are a contributing factor to the greatest

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Speaker 4: economy in the world, and not someone who needs us

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Speaker 4: to spend money on their resource on them.

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Speaker 3: Building on that last part, we talk a lot about

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Speaker 3: college and university. Everybody has a choice about where they

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Speaker 3: go to a college or university, assuming that they can

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Speaker 3: get admitted. You can apply lots of different places. Why

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Speaker 3: do you think so many Democrats who put their own

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Speaker 3: kids in private schools, who have the resources to move

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Speaker 3: to different school districts a post school choice for poor kids.

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Speaker 4: So word that comes to my mind is hypocrisy. There

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Speaker 4: are better words us than that one, but let's just

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Speaker 4: you said it so well. These are the same folks

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Speaker 4: who believe in pell grants for private schools for any

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Speaker 4: college in the country, and yet they'll deny heel grants

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Speaker 4: for K through twelve And without having a successful and

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Speaker 4: effective K through twelve education, you never become eligible for

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Speaker 4: the PELL grants for college. Why not arm every single

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Speaker 4: parent was a choice so their kids have the best

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Speaker 4: chance for success in life. I believe that this is

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Speaker 4: the moral issue of our generation, equipping American children of

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Speaker 4: quality education to compete in a global competition.

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Speaker 2: Senator Scott, what is your feeling on the Biden administration

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Speaker 2: approach to the war in Ukraine? And what would you

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Speaker 2: want to do as Commander in chief if assuming when

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Speaker 2: you took that role the war was still going on?

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Speaker 2: What should US policy be in Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Oh? One thing. President Biden has not been able to

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Speaker 4: articulate to the American people why we're in Ukraine. The

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Speaker 4: frustration that we feel in this country today is based

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Speaker 4: in a large part because of the failure and the

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Speaker 4: weakness of President Biden. The first thing we should do

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Speaker 4: is tell the American people what is America's national vital

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Speaker 4: interest in Ukraine? And it starts with degrading and decimating

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Speaker 4: the Russian military. That is in our home land's best interests,

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Speaker 4: and it is also in our natal partnership's best interests.

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Speaker 4: It keeps our soldiers say, and if we can decimate

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Speaker 4: the Russian military, are using our resources with accountability. We

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Speaker 4: never write a blank check anywhere in this world. We

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Speaker 4: provide resources, we have accountability. We make sure the dollars

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Speaker 4: are spent responsibly, but we eliminate our adversaries as often

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Speaker 4: as possible, or we cripple their ability to put American

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Speaker 4: lives in jeopardy. We also recognize the fact that the

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Speaker 4: new axis of evil that is rising includes putin President

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Speaker 4: she and Iran. In order for us to continue not

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Speaker 4: only degrading and decimating the Russian military, but sending the

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Speaker 4: clearest sign to President She in China that we will

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Speaker 4: send shoulder to shoulders with our ally Taiwan, one of

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Speaker 4: the best ways to do that is by decimating the

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Speaker 3: Senator Scott, last question for you, Buck mentioned Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is leading. A lot of our listeners right now would

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Speaker 3: actually love for you to be Donald Trump's vice president.

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Speaker 3: I know you don't start to run for president to

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Speaker 3: be vice president, but it's impossible not to look at

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Speaker 3: all of the legal uh shenanigans that are involved right

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Speaker 3: now with Donald Trump, whether it's in Miami, whether it's

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Speaker 3: in New York City, maybe more to come. What do

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Speaker 3: you think a president Tim Scott should do if they

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Speaker 3: try to put Donald Trump in prison? What is the

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Speaker 3: right response in your mind to that that potential potential outcome.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you what I've already done in the past,

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Speaker 4: is this is what you can expect from from my administration.

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Speaker 4: When they told me that President Trump was guilty in

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Speaker 4: a phone call, a conclusion, I was the first person,

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Speaker 4: according to President of Trump himself, to say that he

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Speaker 4: was innocent, not that he just didn't do something wrong,

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Speaker 4: but he was innocent, look at the facts and drew

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Speaker 4: the only conclusion that someone could draw at that time.

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Speaker 4: I would do it again. But more importantly, what we've

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Speaker 4: seen today is this Department of Justice being weaponized against

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Speaker 4: a political opponent. That is unethical, immoral, unacceptable, and un Americans.

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Speaker 4: We need a department of Justice that we can have

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Speaker 4: confidence in. I would fire Merrick Garland because America fired

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, and that would also fire Christopher Ray. That

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Speaker 4: would give us an opportunity to restore confidence and integrity

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Speaker 4: and the Department of Justice and then make good solid

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Speaker 4: the decisions that we're seeing today. That led to the

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Speaker 4: weaponizing of the Department of Justice against the political opponents,

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Speaker 4: against pro life activists, and as they called them parents,

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Speaker 4: we call them parents. They called them the terrorists because

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Speaker 4: board meeting, because they love their kids. This Department of

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Speaker 4: Justice has to go, and it takes the leadership for

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Speaker 3: Senator Scott, I know I said last question, how many

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Speaker 3: games are the game Cocks going to win? We're about

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Speaker 3: ten weeks away from the kickoff of college football season.

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Speaker 4: Second most important questions you could ask me today? Eight

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Speaker 4: and four?

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Speaker 1: Eight and four.

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Speaker 3: All right, Shane Bieber, he's got things rolling there. Appreciate it, sir,

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Speaker 3: look forward to seeing the out on the trail somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Just left New York City back down in Florida, and

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that among everybody that I was

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Speaker 2: seeing in the city, the topic of crime and specifically

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Speaker 2: the safety of the subways or lack thereof, it's on

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Speaker 2: everyone's minds. You just constantly have people who are expressing

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Speaker 2: their dismay that whether it's walking through crowded areas of

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Speaker 2: more specifically getting on a subway, there are concerns about

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Speaker 2: being harassed, about having somebody expose themselves to you, about

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Speaker 2: having somebody rob you, attack you. And it's a constant

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Speaker 2: anxiety that lingers day in and day out of New

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Speaker 2: York City. And we've seen a couple of cases now

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Speaker 2: now have very different outcomes. Let's start with Daniel Penny.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Penny, as we know, who's a marine who stepped

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Speaker 2: in when Jordan Neely was shouting threats and abuse at

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Speaker 2: medical attention and to revive him. Penny is facing nineteen

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Speaker 2: years in prison, as we know. To this day, he's

871
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Speaker 2: raised some money for his defense, but he's facing a

872
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: very serious criminal trial. There's another story a twenty year

873
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: old Jordan Williams now Jordan Williams on the thirteenth of June,

874
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago. This happened, was on

875
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: the subway system as well, and he was with his

876
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: girlfriend and a man came up to him started some

877
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: kind of a squabble with him. De Victor Wodreago Udreago,

878
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: I think that's how you say his name. They had

879
00:48:53,200 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: an exchange and mister Udreago both punched the defender were

880
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: now no longer defended to he's he's walking free. Punched

881
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: Jordan Williams and punched his girlfriend now Jordan, and I

882
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: think tried to choke her too, was what I read.

883
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: So he put his hands on both of them, assaulted

884
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: both of them. There are multiple eyewitnesses to this, and

885
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: there's also video. Yeah, Woodrago was choking Williams and punched

886
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: his girlfriend and then Jordan Williams Jordan Williams. Just what

887
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: we'll discuss that the some of the aspects of this

888
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: specifics Jordan Williams is black. I I don't know if Woodreago,

889
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I haven't seen a photo of him.

890
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: But anyway, Williams defended himself with a knife and he

891
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: killed Woodrago, and initially he was charged with the manslaughter Clay.

892
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: Those charges have been dropped by the district Attorney in

893
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: New York and so he is now walking free. And

894
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: now I would argue that this is the right decision

895
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: that Jordan Williams, that if somebody attacks you on a

896
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: subway and not only attacks you, but then punches a

897
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: you know, your female companion, your girlfriend, wife, girlfriend, whatever

898
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: it may be, in the face, that at that point

899
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: you gotta do what you gotta do to defend yourself.

900
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: You don't have to wait to see if this person

901
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: produces a knife first. You don't have to wait to

902
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: see if he So I stand with Jordan Williams on

903
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: this one. I think Jordan Williams was right to defend himself,

904
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: had the basic human, god given right to defend himself

905
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: and his loved one in this situation. But I just

906
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 2: have to say, it's a lot of people Clay looking

907
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: at this, or they're pointing out, well, Daniel Penny steps in,

908
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: doesn't use a knife, doesn't use that level of deadly force.

909
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: He's trying to de escalate a situation by wrestling. You know,

910
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: if he wanted to, he could have. He was bigger

911
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: and stronger than you. He could have punched him out,

912
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: could have taken him to the ground and you know,

913
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: tried to mash his face in, but instead he took

914
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: him to the ground, tried to calm him down, but

915
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: he did apply pressure around his neck and he did die.

916
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: Neely faces nineteen years in prison. Why because he's white,

917
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the reason. And this is unfortunate because

918
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: justice is supposed to be blind, but there are subtle distinctions, right.

919
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: This is where when you look at it from a

920
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: legal perspective, and let's pretend that we are warriors. Daniel Penny,

921
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: to my knowledge, Buck correct me if I'm wrong, was

922
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: not directly attacked physically by the guy. That that is

923
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: a distinction, Yes.

924
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: Basically right, So there hadn't been a physical attack. If

925
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: there had been, then his defense of putting him in

926
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: a choke hold I think would have been one hundred percent.

927
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: Okay, But let me just say this.

928
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 3: What I've read about the individual had the charges dropped,

929
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: is that again he was attacked, but he used a knife.

930
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 3: Intent matters here in some way right, When you use

931
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: a knife to defend yourself, and you thrust that knife

932
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: to try to stab someone, it is reasonably expected that

933
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: a severe injury in the person that you are stabbing

934
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 3: could occur if you're stabbing someone in the Daniel Penny caase,

935
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: and you correct me if I'm wrong on this, buck,

936
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: But when you subdue someone by putting them in a

937
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: choke hold, the idea is not to kill them, right like,

938
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: you are just trying to render them not able to

939
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: continue to make a threat. So lethal force was used

940
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: in response. Let's be honest, based on the story, a punch,

941
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: which typically is not lethal force. Usually when someone punches you,

942
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: the idea that you would stab them back is an

943
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 3: escalation in that in that defense mechanism, whereas the choke

944
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: hold to me, both of these guys should be not charged.

945
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 3: But if I were going to charge one of them,

946
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: the guy who used the knife to me would be

947
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: engaging in a more violent act than the guy who

948
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: tried to put somebody in a choke hold.

949
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: Just some of the details here. The Williams who is

950
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: now walking free, and just to reiterate, I think that

951
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: is the right decision in this case. This is the

952
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: Brooklyn District Attorney's office that was weighing in on this one, which.

953
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 3: To be fair buck his mom, the Williams mom said

954
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: that Daniel Penny shouldn't be charged either. So she's been

955
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: consistent here as well. Do you have that quote, I mean,

956
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: to her credit, she's saying, both of these guys are

957
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: trying to make to protect themselves and make the subway safer.

958
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: You're starting to see this more and more where New

959
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: Yorkers in general.

960
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Of white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, if.

961
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: All backgrounds are like, we just all want to be

962
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: safe on the subway.

963
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: Yep.

964
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: They don't want they don't want white people being assaulted.

965
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: They don't want black people being assaulted, Asian Hispanic. You know,

966
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: New Yorkers, we want everybody to be safe on this

967
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: They have that right to not be in this kind

968
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: of Look. I know it's never going to be perfect.

969
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: There's always going to be criminals in any society point

970
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: five million people, there's gonna be some, but it's far

971
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: too common, it's far too regular, and we're seeing this right.

972
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: We're all aware the uh woo drago, uh oodreago. I'm sorry,

973
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: it's one of the I don't know how to pronounce

974
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: his name. But Oodreago came up to it, just to

975
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: be clear, came up to Williams and said something very

976
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: crass to his girlfriend. So he initiated an aggressive exchange

977
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: with the girlfriend. And then Williams said, hey, you know, basically,

978
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 2: don't say something, don't don't don't say that, and then

979
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: o'dreago started trying to choke Williams and punched his girlfriend

980
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: in the face. You know, every guy listening to this

981
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: knows this situation. You know, it's it's all bets are

982
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: off time. If some if a man is punching your girlfriend,

983
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: your wife, your sister, you know, your female colleague in

984
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: the face, you got to do whatever you got to

985
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: do to interview and stop that right away. And I

986
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: just look at this and I say to myself, you know,

987
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: Jason Williams, he's a he's a young black man. And

988
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: New Yorker want Jason Williams on their subway car. They

989
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: want a guy who's gonna stand up for himself. They

990
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: want a guy who's going to stand up for his girlfriend.

991
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: Like this is. You know, he's mining his business, he's

992
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: trying to just go about his day. He didn't start

993
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: any problem with anybody, and he stood up for himself

994
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: and somebody else and someone lost their life in this.

995
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: But you're not allowed to try to choke and punch people.

996
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Daniel Penny's also someone that people want on their subway,

997
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: as you point out, including Williams's mother. Yep, the disparate

998
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: treatment here is very hard for people to ignore under

999
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: the circumstances.

1000
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: I think that's right. And again we've said this from

1001
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: the beginning. The only reason anybody knows Daniel Penny's name

1002
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: is because he's white.

1003
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I said Jason was I'm gonna say Jordan Williams.

1004
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: Pardon me, there's Jordan Williams.

1005
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: Is his name.

1006
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 3: The only reason people know Daniel Penny's because he's white,

1007
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: and the only reason that he was charged with the

1008
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: crime is because he's white. I mean, this is the

1009
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: exact example of Lady Justice not being blind, right. Alvin

1010
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 3: Bragg is charging Daniel Penny because he's a white guy

1011
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: who choked a black guy. And by the way, if

1012
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: this guy on the subway had also been white, this

1013
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been a story. If the guy who choked

1014
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: to this guy had been black instead of Daniel penny

1015
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a story either. It's only a story because

1016
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: a white guy did it to a black guy. And

1017
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, Williams, you look at the backgrounds of these individuals.

1018
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Williams no criminal record of any comment, whats whoever, never

1019
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: been in trouble with the law. Yet he knew that

1020
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 3: he had to carry a knife on the subway because

1021
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: of exactly a situation like this. Possibly Rising couldn't count

1022
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: on the authorities to keep the subway safe enough. The

1023
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: other guy career, you know, career criminal, lots of arrests.

1024
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: It's never a surprise when these things happen. You know,

1025
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: he doesn't come out of hit a woman buck out

1026
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: of nowhere, right, If you're going to hit a woman,

1027
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: you're typically going to have had a criminal history in

1028
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: your past, just just tossing it out there. Most people

1029
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: out of nowhere don't suddenly decide to strike women. It's

1030
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 3: typically something that somebody who has a violent criminal past

1031
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: is doing.

1032
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Neely punched a senior citizen female in the face,

1033
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 2: broke her nose in her eye socket, and that was

1034
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: one of many many times he was arrested. But they

1035
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: of New York decided they didn't want to punish him

1036
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,480
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