WEBVTT - Creaturekringletimes: Chill Babies! 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.760 Welcome to Creature future production of High Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.000 your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.919 and evolutionary biology, and today we're talking about chill babies. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.479 We are going to talk about how animal parents keep 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.440 their babies warm and safe and fed in pretty cold 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:35.080 environments because it's cringle times, it's winter times. How them 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:41.080 animals keeping those little, tiny, cute, defenseless and sometimes delicious 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.639 babies from dying in the cold. This is the theme 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.360 of this episode. You know, it's like, how did Bob 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.720 cratch It keep Tidy Tim alive by obviously chewing his 0:00:55.760 --> 0:01:01.200 food and regurgitating it into his little mouth and script there. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.560 I think no Scrooge learned to do it. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.400 By the end of it he had the ghost of Christmas. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:12.480 Uh food regurgitation and uh yeah. So that voice you 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.640 hear we have joining us today is host of the 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:23.360 podcasts Just the two of Us, Ellen Weatherford, Welcome, Let's go. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:28.080 Hello, I'm back, baby back. You were rid of me. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.080 You thought you'd heard the last of me? Right? 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.160 I The last I saw you were you were tumbling 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.320 off of a cliff into the mists. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.520 So I thought that you know at long. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.800 Last, never trust an off screen debt that'll learn you. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.000 So, yeah, today we're talking about we're talking about animal 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:52.080 parents of babies born in the cold seasons. And if 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.840 you can believe it, folks, there's actually a reason that 0:01:54.920 --> 0:02:01.080 I picked this topic. You might have noticed this. I 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.600 want to say, seven months I have been perhaps less 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.560 good at updating the feed with fresh new podcasts and 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.360 been doing more listener questions. Episodes you had a little 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.560 more rerun sneaking those in a little more. Well, there 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.239 is a reason for that, folks, a biological reason. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.120 I am having a kid. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:30.160 In h yeah, in in February, so I you. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:31.600 Know, I am I. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.600 I It is very it's been very funny to talk 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.680 about animal offspring and then think about, you know, my 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:45.960 own experience this these past past months. So yeah, I 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.480 wanted to let you guys know that that is happening. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:50.200 Yay. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.920 Yeah, I'll give you more details on programming notes and 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.400 all that later on. But yeah, I'm having a I 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.920 am now not just a host to parasites, but to 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.799 a human fetus. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.120 So that is it had to push the other parasites aside, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.040 like room. 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.280 Some say some say that like it's being pregnant is 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.200 like having a weird parasite. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.079 Uh. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:26.400 It's like biologically speaking, it's not quite the same because 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:31.519 there is actually some uh there's a lot of consideration 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.240 actually the fetus makes to the mother because like there's 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.600 no there is definitely no advantage to the fetus hurting 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.720 the mother. It's very interesting because it is both a 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.800 combination of a competition between the fetus and the mother 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:53.120 and then also like a lot of like, uh negotiation because. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.760 It's a hostage situation really. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.320 Yeah, kind of like it's it's a it's something where 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:03.240 you know, both parties are interested in the mutual survival 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.680 on both sort of the genetic level and you know, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.280 like on the metal level of like I'm I want 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.239 to have a baby, and I'm sure the baby wants 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.200 to have a mother. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.480 Wants to be having exactly wants to be having. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.039 And also that there's like an exchange also that like 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.960 in some cases, the like the fetus can actually contribute 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.080 stem cells back to the parents' bodies and like in 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.120 some ways it can like help your immune system. Yeah, 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.000 I'm not like super well versed in that. That's just 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:42.320 something I vaguely heard about. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah, Yeah, it's I should probably do a whole episode 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.880 on this on like amniotic uh you know, the whole 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.440 the whole thing with like amniotic pregnancy in mammals and 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.359 amniotic animals where it's like you know, you uh you 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.080 kind of like your immune systems are have to work 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.320 together in some sense because like you neither want to. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.720 You don't want to like have the mother's immune system 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.120 target the baby and destroy it, nor do you want 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.800 the babies to weaken the mother's immune systems so much 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.719 that she is imperiled. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.360 So yeah, there's a lot of there's there's a lot of. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.640 Like weird jostling for position when you look at like 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.719 all of these sort of systems. The the the reason 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.920 we actually like amniotes animals who have the amniotic sec 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.080 and give life birth are able to do that is 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.599 I think there was like a actually like a viral 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:46.400 transfer of DNA that gave us this like type of 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:51.800 DNA that allowed the fetus to trick the immune system 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.400 to not attack it, because otherwise you need the barrier 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.760 of like having an egg and laying an egg because 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.960 of the like with the the amniotic sect still being 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.920 in the mother as your as your immune systems are 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.359 both active, right, Like, there could be a lot of 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.159 conflict and actually. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.240 It's like a foreign body in there. 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.520 Yeah, exactly, you do still see that. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.839 I think my my husband's mom soe. When my mother 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.919 in law was pregnant with my husband, she had that 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.920 problem where her immune system was like not recognizing him 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.039 and she had to take like immunosuppressants basically to not 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.880 like like like her like body was like allergic to 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.960 the baby, right, Like, that's not me. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.480 And that usually happens when there's a difference between blood 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:42.360 type uh so RH positive r RH negative. So whether 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.400 you have a negative or positive blood type, and if 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.960 that doesn't match with the baby, you can have a 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.760 lot of problems. So I actually, so I have a 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.120 negative blood type. I think if you have a positive 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.279 blood type, it generally doesn't matter, but if you have 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.479 a negative that the mother has a negative blood type, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:05.760 it's more you're more likely to attack the fetus's immune system, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.040 especially if there's like blood crossover for blood crossover event. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.040 But like and then you could like develop Basically if 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.520 you have one child and you give birth and you're 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.840 you're of a negative blood type, in the child's of 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:26.200 like a positive blood type, and your uh, you develop 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.840 antibodies basically against you know this, like, ah, this is 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.800 a foreign blood type in my blood. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:33.480 I don't like that. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.640 Exactly, And so I got a shot in my butt 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:44.640 of immunoprophylaxis, which is a way to prevent you from 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:50.280 developing these antibodies. And then it's it's less to protect 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.880 the current pregnancy, but if you ever it, it does certainly, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:08:00.760 but like it's more for future pregnancies that like, if 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.360 something happens during this pregnancy where I'm exposed to the 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.160 baby's blood during I mean you certainly will be during birth, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.560 but sometimes things can happen before then that I don't 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.640 develop that immune response. And then if I decide to 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.760 have another kid one day, then I won't my body 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.840 won't be like, hey, wait a minute, this is I 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.840 remember this alert. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.239 Yeah. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.360 But yeah, So today we're talking about we're talking about 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.400 we're stepping outside of the cellular lever and we're looking 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.679 at animals who take care of their young and the cold. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.959 And I wanted to start out with a classic cold 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:47.680 inhabitant inhabitants, the snowy owls. So you know these these guys, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:53.360 these are large, large owls, white with little black or 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:58.760 dark brown flecks, giant eyes, big fluffy, down covered feet, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.640 perfect forever. They look like kittie cats with wings. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.440 They're very cute. Their feet look like paws. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.320 You must call them cute. Yeah, I think they make 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.480 the definition of a pall. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.600 Yeah. And they live in the Arctic. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.240 They they hunt small animals like lemmings, uh, little rodents, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.440 small mammals or even waterfowl. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.040 They can get a. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.040 Duck if they're if they're feeling ambitious that day. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:25.239 Uh. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:29.840 And they uh yeah, they they're they're very good hunters. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:30.679 Uh. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.440 And they're good parents, so both the male and the 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.120 female take care of the young. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.880 And you love egalitarianism, yeah, but you can. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.240 It's interesting because they have they do have a separation 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.719 of sort of like tasks that they do. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:46.520 Uh. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.240 There's also a difference in their coloration. So males are 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.760 more of a pure white color they have a few 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.640 flecks maybe, and females tend to be more have more 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.320 of those brown or black flecks. So like if you 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.760 see a snowy al that's kind of more pure white, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.000 maybe a few flecks here and there, that's probably a male. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:07.280 Uh. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.199 And then if you see one that's just like covered 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.840 in chocolate chips that's like probably a female. There's an 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:20.600 Italian gelato that looks like the snowy owl female called Strachella. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.040 So like you know, yeah, because it's like it's basically 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.080 a chocolate chip ice cream, but it's like chocolate mixed in. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.559 It's not they're not chips. It's like they put they 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.800 pour in like ribbons chocolate. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:35.839 It's not like cookies and cream. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.080 No, it's not cookies and cream. It's like it's just 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.240 like chocolate mixed in, but it's hard chocolate. So they 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.240 like pour in the chocolate like hardens and then they 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.800 mix it and so there's like flecks of chocolate allot. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.439 As someone who's a big fan of magic shell. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.880 Yeah, oh you'd love it. You'd love it. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:53.600 I would love it. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.000 Yeah. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.160 But yeah, so you know, you know in those Wizard movies, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:04.240 how there's the the the the Wizard boy has the 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:11.000 owl headway. So in the Harry Potter movies, Hedwig is 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.080 actually played by a male owl. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.160 Uh, Like yeah, because it's. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.840 Supposed to be it's supposed to be a girl owl, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.680 right like in the books. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.680 It's like I didn't know that, Yeah, I. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.160 Guess they liked the asthetex of them maale owls better 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.600 because they are more pure snowy white. I actually think 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.520 the female owls look a little cooler to me because that, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.080 like bart the pattern of like again, they look like 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.760 they like like chocolate chip ice cream, very very but 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.600 like uh yeah, so Hedwig. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.600 I just think it's interesting. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.280 For no reason at all that in the Harry Potter 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:57.760 movies Uh by a certain Joe Anne uh, the the 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:02.439 owl is uh is played by a male owl and 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:07.800 they repeatedly call a biologically male owl a female and the. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.640 Movies not not so biology? Now are you general? 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.640 And sounds like somebody understands gender presentation? 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:21.040 Now, yeah, oh, gender dimorphism. You really think you have 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.040 a handle on that. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:22.280 Do you? 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:23.679 Oh? 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.600 Yeah, you can always tell. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.400 Yeah, and actually you can't. You can't with owls. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.760 Like once in a while you'll get a get a 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.400 male owl who has more of those little sprinkles and 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.960 a female owls who has fewer of them. So you know, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.760 even even these owls are like it's not always they 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:45.319 don't always exactly so, but they do take care of 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:50.080 their young together. So the female one of the reasons 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.040 she has as markings. Is probably because it's disruptive coloration. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.160 And she will stay on the ground like they nest 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.320 on the ground, like on this tundra. And it's not 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.000 just like snow, right because then you'd say, like, oh, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.160 they should be pure. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.120 White, because it's just gonna be pure white snow. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:13.280 Often it's not always covered in snow, but it's like 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:18.400 you know, rocks and moss and all sort of little pinks. Yeah, exactly, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.720 So like she blends in a little better, you know, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.040 with the ground, and so she has his coloration. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.439 It's a similar reason. 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:32.320 For why other birds are like females are often brown 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.120 or tawny or something, whereas the males are like a 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:42.080 flamboyant jewel tones. But yeah, so, but the male also 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.280 plays a role. He goes out and gets groceries for her, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.920 and by groceries, I mean dead stuff and he brings 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:49.360 them back. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.920 So he hunts, brings them back. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.680 Shield tear the little creatures that that he has hunted 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.520 to shreds, and will. 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.000 He goes grocery shopping at dead got it? 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:02.720 Yeah? 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.160 Sorry, fred Meyer is a grocery store chain. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.400 Yeah, Okay, I didn't get it. I was like, I 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:09.559 show this is something. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.600 I don't know how widespread fred Meyer is, but it's 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.320 a grocery store here, so, uh. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.160 There's a Pacific Northwest thing. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.080 It might be, I honest to God, have no idea. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.680 Yeah, joke, let's go. But yeah. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.360 So so he's he's feeding both his mate and the chicks, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.200 like bringing it, bringing it home, and then she's like 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.000 shredding it and stuffing it in their little mouths. She's 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.920 also uh, she's incubating the eggs with her body heat, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.239 and then she'll keep the babies, uh, the newborn hatchlings 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.000 and uh up to well we'll talk more about it, 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.440 but yeah, she takes good care of them, uses her 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.080 body heat. She's very fluffy. Feathers can trap a lot 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.840 of heat, just like you know when you have a jacket, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.480 usually it's filled with either down or synthetic dam She 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.760 built in puffer. Yeah, and she's got that like where 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.720 she's got like the outer shell of the water resistant 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.440 feathers and then inside more downy feathers, and then it 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.600 creates these air pockets, these hot air pockets that keeps 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.960 her warm, and then she can keep the babies warm, 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.920 even the little hatchlings that just don't have a lot 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.360 on them, but the but they'll soon develop down, which 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:30.120 does help them stay warm. But it's a really interesting 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:35.920 system that she has because she'll lay eggs usually maybe 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:40.600 like maybe one a day, maybe one every other day, 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:48.160 maybe Jesus Christ, Okay, maybe one a day, maybe one 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.200 every other day. But they don't all hatch at once, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.560 so they uh they hatch in the order in which 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.240 they were laid. Uh so because they're because of this, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:05.280 like you can have a hatchling that is much younger 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:10.320 than the oldest baby. So like you could have an 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.880 hatchling that's just fresh out of the egg, and then 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.600 a chick that is three times its size because they 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.680 like in like a week or so, they will triple 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:28.720 in size. So they they grow really rapidly. And so 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.760 they you'll see like a nest and you can see 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:38.320 like eggs, little white fluff balls the size of I 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.760 don't know, like a clementine, and then like these like 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.720 big fat gray chicks. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.440 Yeah. So it's so you can have all these. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.720 Chicks in like all sorts of different stages of their 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.480 development in one nest being taken care of by the 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.360 parents and. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.760 So, and that's really cute. It's super nice to see. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.360 It's like, you know, you see, like in a sitcom family, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.720 you know, there's always got to be like the angsty 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.560 teenage older sibling. Yeah, and then like the mischievous middle sibling, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.280 and then you know the maybe I don't know, shy 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.760 and a little more timid like little baby. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.919 It's full house. I assume I've never watched it. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.600 So you got it, you nail it. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.080 Yeah, So yeah. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.639 The the only co the only negative consequence of this is, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.840 I mean maybe from our perspective of people who find 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.040 these chicks to be very cute, is that the the 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.000 older chicks do have more demand for calories, and so 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.080 if times are tough and there's not enough food to 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:52.040 go around, the mother will prioritize the older ones. Sorry, 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.639 the younger ones really get screwed in this cerea, because 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.880 like the babies of the family, the ones that are 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.199 the younger or the hatchlings will get neglected in favor 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.560 of the older ones if they need all the food. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.040 It's sad, but it's a grim calculation of like, look, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:15.880 this one is already healthy and big, and putting your 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.440 resources into that is a more sure bet than a hatchling, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.439 where you don't know whether or not it's gonna do 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:23.520 well in the coming weeks. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.120 Right, Yeah, the older one has already kind of made 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.199 it a little farther, like you know that, like with 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.000 every like every day, the chances of survival get a 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.679 little higher, exactly, like, well, this one's already made it 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.000 this far. It's more likely than the other one to 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.040 keep surviving. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:38.879 Yeah, exactly. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:40.560 You can always make more. 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.600 You can always make more. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.840 But you know, despite this kind of grim calculation, they 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.879 are very attentive parents that they will take care of 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:55.560 the owlets defend them from predators. Outlets don't fledge like 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.400 other birds who may be living in trees, right because 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.760 they live in these nests on the ground, so like 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.040 they don't have to fly before leaving the nest. They 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.639 can wander outside of the nest. They keep this up 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.840 for about six to seven weeks. Don't don't even don't 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.960 even not gonna. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:14.679 Thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:15.359 Think about it. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.359 You're gonna get so many emails if I don't do 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:18.240 his exab it. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.680 Anyways, they stay close to the nests so that their 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.800 mom can protect them until their flight muscles and their 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.520 feathers are developed and then they can they can fly, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.920 but even then their parents will continue to help feed 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.360 them for about two months, at which point they learn 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:37.280 to hunt and then. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.080 They can be more independent. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.080 But yeah, they they're they are not just given a 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.720 sort of like really abrupt sind off. They're slowly kind 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.280 of weaned off of their parents' care and they're still 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.480 given it. Even once they can fly and they can 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.840 walk around that the parents will still be like, all right, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.000 but this is how you like catch a mouse, like 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.680 like a cat, like a cat teaching her kittens. 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:07.080 This is cat software on bird hardware exactly. I did 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:11.720 do a Google search for snowy owl chicks and I, mmmm, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.080 it's not what I wanted them to look like. I 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.040 wanted them to look way cuter. They're a little scrungly. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.920 I love the that's the thing though. For me, love 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.080 the scrungliness. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:30.679 They're still fluffy like, they still have the fluff like. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.679 They're still very like down they are. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.080 They are haunted, the haunting Victorian children of the animal world. 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.159 I have to I'm gonna send you a link to 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.320 the picture I'm looking at so you can see the 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:47.560 sort of PTSD thousand yards stare that this baby snowy 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.359 Owl has. It's just that first picture on this article. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:56.320 It's from the New Quay Zoo. Uh yeah, and he's 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.120 just kind of like got the eyes going in either direction. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:00.000 Yeah. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.119 Well, I will say front from dead on, Like front 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.400 facing is never the most flattering angle for a bird, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.200 so they really kind of did them dirty on this one. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.320 Yeah. I think it's rough. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.600 I think it's the best. I think this is the 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.840 best possible photo you could ever take. Uh. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:17.200 Yeah. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.200 There they go from being white when they're hatchlings to 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.160 being gray and then once they get their adult plumage 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.560 and they'll go back to being white and or chocolate chip. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:28.440 Uh. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.440 It is kind of like a like a soot sprite. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:31.880 Look. 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.600 Yeah, it's they're they're a little haunted looking because they 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.400 got these like yeah, they they don't quite have the 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.960 the adult plumage where they look more catlike, so they 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.200 just kind of look like us, like a little uh 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:46.120 little grimlin. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:49.879 It's very goblin. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.639 Yeah, very goblinoid. But yeah, you. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.840 Can see some very cute pictures of like this beautiful 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.560 like snowy owl with her eyes kind of closed and 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.040 you know, snowy alls have sort of like this line 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.359 of feathers from their beaks that kind of looks like 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:08.080 a little smile. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.720 It's very cute, very serene. 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.600 Yeah, and so she looks very peaceful and siren. Then 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.560 she's got her a little gremlin uh with her. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:18.040 Here. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.640 I can don't talk to me or my son ever 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:20.800 again exactly. 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:23.119 I sent you the picture of it. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.359 But she's just like, you know, like she's looking she's 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:30.159 looking moisturized in her lane, thriving in the baby. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:35.760 Oh, she looks so proud of her awful child. She's 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.440 like it might not be perfect, but it's the one 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.040 I made. 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:48.280 Love you about it. This is my beautiful child. 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.919 I think every baby snowy owl has an internal dialogue 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:06.000 of Eric Cartman. Yeah, oh god, what a cutie pie. 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.240 Well, that is the parenting style of the snowy el Ellen, 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.080 you got you got another another cool mom for us. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.680 I do well, I have a cool dad. I'm gonna 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:18.320 I'm gonna. 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.760