Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of High Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today we're talking about chill babies.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk about how animal parents keep
Speaker 1: their babies warm and safe and fed in pretty cold
Speaker 1: environments because it's cringle times, it's winter times. How them
Speaker 1: animals keeping those little, tiny, cute, defenseless and sometimes delicious
Speaker 1: babies from dying in the cold. This is the theme
Speaker 1: of this episode. You know, it's like, how did Bob
Speaker 1: cratch It keep Tidy Tim alive by obviously chewing his
Speaker 1: food and regurgitating it into his little mouth and script there.
Speaker 2: I think no Scrooge learned to do it.
Speaker 1: By the end of it he had the ghost of Christmas.
Speaker 1: Uh food regurgitation and uh yeah. So that voice you
Speaker 1: hear we have joining us today is host of the
Speaker 1: podcasts Just the two of Us, Ellen Weatherford, Welcome, Let's go.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm back, baby back. You were rid of me.
Speaker 3: You thought you'd heard the last of me? Right?
Speaker 1: I The last I saw you were you were tumbling
Speaker 1: off of a cliff into the mists.
Speaker 2: So I thought that you know at long.
Speaker 3: Last, never trust an off screen debt that'll learn you.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, today we're talking about we're talking about animal
Speaker 1: parents of babies born in the cold seasons. And if
Speaker 1: you can believe it, folks, there's actually a reason that
Speaker 1: I picked this topic. You might have noticed this. I
Speaker 1: want to say, seven months I have been perhaps less
Speaker 1: good at updating the feed with fresh new podcasts and
Speaker 1: been doing more listener questions. Episodes you had a little
Speaker 1: more rerun sneaking those in a little more. Well, there
Speaker 1: is a reason for that, folks, a biological reason.
Speaker 2: I am having a kid.
Speaker 1: In h yeah, in in February, so I you.
Speaker 2: Know, I am I.
Speaker 1: I It is very it's been very funny to talk
Speaker 1: about animal offspring and then think about, you know, my
Speaker 1: own experience this these past past months. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted to let you guys know that that is happening.
Speaker 4: Yay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you more details on programming notes and
Speaker 1: all that later on. But yeah, I'm having a I
Speaker 1: am now not just a host to parasites, but to
Speaker 1: a human fetus.
Speaker 3: So that is it had to push the other parasites aside,
Speaker 3: like room.
Speaker 1: Some say some say that like it's being pregnant is
Speaker 1: like having a weird parasite.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's like biologically speaking, it's not quite the same because
Speaker 1: there is actually some uh there's a lot of consideration
Speaker 1: actually the fetus makes to the mother because like there's
Speaker 1: no there is definitely no advantage to the fetus hurting
Speaker 1: the mother. It's very interesting because it is both a
Speaker 1: combination of a competition between the fetus and the mother
Speaker 1: and then also like a lot of like, uh negotiation because.
Speaker 3: It's a hostage situation really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like it's it's a it's something where
Speaker 1: you know, both parties are interested in the mutual survival
Speaker 1: on both sort of the genetic level and you know,
Speaker 1: like on the metal level of like I'm I want
Speaker 1: to have a baby, and I'm sure the baby wants
Speaker 1: to have a mother.
Speaker 2: Wants to be having exactly wants to be having.
Speaker 3: And also that there's like an exchange also that like
Speaker 3: in some cases, the like the fetus can actually contribute
Speaker 3: stem cells back to the parents' bodies and like in
Speaker 3: some ways it can like help your immune system. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not like super well versed in that. That's just
Speaker 3: something I vaguely heard about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's I should probably do a whole episode
Speaker 1: on this on like amniotic uh you know, the whole
Speaker 1: the whole thing with like amniotic pregnancy in mammals and
Speaker 1: amniotic animals where it's like you know, you uh you
Speaker 1: kind of like your immune systems are have to work
Speaker 1: together in some sense because like you neither want to.
Speaker 1: You don't want to like have the mother's immune system
Speaker 1: target the baby and destroy it, nor do you want
Speaker 1: the babies to weaken the mother's immune systems so much
Speaker 1: that she is imperiled.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot of there's there's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like weird jostling for position when you look at like
Speaker 1: all of these sort of systems. The the the reason
Speaker 1: we actually like amniotes animals who have the amniotic sec
Speaker 1: and give life birth are able to do that is
Speaker 1: I think there was like a actually like a viral
Speaker 1: transfer of DNA that gave us this like type of
Speaker 1: DNA that allowed the fetus to trick the immune system
Speaker 1: to not attack it, because otherwise you need the barrier
Speaker 1: of like having an egg and laying an egg because
Speaker 1: of the like with the the amniotic sect still being
Speaker 1: in the mother as your as your immune systems are
Speaker 1: both active, right, Like, there could be a lot of
Speaker 1: conflict and actually.
Speaker 3: It's like a foreign body in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you do still see that.
Speaker 3: I think my my husband's mom soe. When my mother
Speaker 3: in law was pregnant with my husband, she had that
Speaker 3: problem where her immune system was like not recognizing him
Speaker 3: and she had to take like immunosuppressants basically to not
Speaker 3: like like like her like body was like allergic to
Speaker 3: the baby, right, Like, that's not me.
Speaker 1: And that usually happens when there's a difference between blood
Speaker 1: type uh so RH positive r RH negative. So whether
Speaker 1: you have a negative or positive blood type, and if
Speaker 1: that doesn't match with the baby, you can have a
Speaker 1: lot of problems. So I actually, so I have a
Speaker 1: negative blood type. I think if you have a positive
Speaker 1: blood type, it generally doesn't matter, but if you have
Speaker 1: a negative that the mother has a negative blood type,
Speaker 1: it's more you're more likely to attack the fetus's immune system,
Speaker 1: especially if there's like blood crossover for blood crossover event.
Speaker 1: But like and then you could like develop Basically if
Speaker 1: you have one child and you give birth and you're
Speaker 1: you're of a negative blood type, in the child's of
Speaker 1: like a positive blood type, and your uh, you develop
Speaker 1: antibodies basically against you know this, like, ah, this is
Speaker 1: a foreign blood type in my blood.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And so I got a shot in my butt
Speaker 1: of immunoprophylaxis, which is a way to prevent you from
Speaker 1: developing these antibodies. And then it's it's less to protect
Speaker 1: the current pregnancy, but if you ever it, it does certainly,
Speaker 1: but like it's more for future pregnancies that like, if
Speaker 1: something happens during this pregnancy where I'm exposed to the
Speaker 1: baby's blood during I mean you certainly will be during birth,
Speaker 1: but sometimes things can happen before then that I don't
Speaker 1: develop that immune response. And then if I decide to
Speaker 1: have another kid one day, then I won't my body
Speaker 1: won't be like, hey, wait a minute, this is I
Speaker 1: remember this alert.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So today we're talking about we're talking about
Speaker 1: we're stepping outside of the cellular lever and we're looking
Speaker 1: at animals who take care of their young and the cold.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to start out with a classic cold
Speaker 1: inhabitant inhabitants, the snowy owls. So you know these these guys,
Speaker 1: these are large, large owls, white with little black or
Speaker 1: dark brown flecks, giant eyes, big fluffy, down covered feet,
Speaker 1: perfect forever. They look like kittie cats with wings.
Speaker 2: They're very cute. Their feet look like paws.
Speaker 3: You must call them cute. Yeah, I think they make
Speaker 3: the definition of a pall.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they live in the Arctic.
Speaker 1: They they hunt small animals like lemmings, uh, little rodents,
Speaker 1: small mammals or even waterfowl.
Speaker 2: They can get a.
Speaker 1: Duck if they're if they're feeling ambitious that day.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they uh yeah, they they're they're very good hunters.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And they're good parents, so both the male and the
Speaker 1: female take care of the young.
Speaker 2: And you love egalitarianism, yeah, but you can.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because they have they do have a separation
Speaker 1: of sort of like tasks that they do.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's also a difference in their coloration. So males are
Speaker 1: more of a pure white color they have a few
Speaker 1: flecks maybe, and females tend to be more have more
Speaker 1: of those brown or black flecks. So like if you
Speaker 1: see a snowy al that's kind of more pure white,
Speaker 1: maybe a few flecks here and there, that's probably a male.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then if you see one that's just like covered
Speaker 1: in chocolate chips that's like probably a female. There's an
Speaker 1: Italian gelato that looks like the snowy owl female called Strachella.
Speaker 1: So like you know, yeah, because it's like it's basically
Speaker 1: a chocolate chip ice cream, but it's like chocolate mixed in.
Speaker 1: It's not they're not chips. It's like they put they
Speaker 1: pour in like ribbons chocolate.
Speaker 3: It's not like cookies and cream.
Speaker 1: No, it's not cookies and cream. It's like it's just
Speaker 1: like chocolate mixed in, but it's hard chocolate. So they
Speaker 1: like pour in the chocolate like hardens and then they
Speaker 1: mix it and so there's like flecks of chocolate allot.
Speaker 3: As someone who's a big fan of magic shell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you'd love it. You'd love it.
Speaker 3: I would love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you know, you know in those Wizard movies,
Speaker 1: how there's the the the the Wizard boy has the
Speaker 1: owl headway. So in the Harry Potter movies, Hedwig is
Speaker 1: actually played by a male owl.
Speaker 2: Uh, Like yeah, because it's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be it's supposed to be a girl owl,
Speaker 1: right like in the books.
Speaker 3: It's like I didn't know that, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Guess they liked the asthetex of them maale owls better
Speaker 1: because they are more pure snowy white. I actually think
Speaker 1: the female owls look a little cooler to me because that,
Speaker 1: like bart the pattern of like again, they look like
Speaker 1: they like like chocolate chip ice cream, very very but
Speaker 1: like uh yeah, so Hedwig.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: For no reason at all that in the Harry Potter
Speaker 1: movies Uh by a certain Joe Anne uh, the the
Speaker 1: owl is uh is played by a male owl and
Speaker 1: they repeatedly call a biologically male owl a female and the.
Speaker 2: Movies not not so biology? Now are you general?
Speaker 3: And sounds like somebody understands gender presentation?
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, oh, gender dimorphism. You really think you have
Speaker 1: a handle on that.
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can always tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually you can't. You can't with owls.
Speaker 1: Like once in a while you'll get a get a
Speaker 1: male owl who has more of those little sprinkles and
Speaker 1: a female owls who has fewer of them. So you know,
Speaker 1: even even these owls are like it's not always they
Speaker 1: don't always exactly so, but they do take care of
Speaker 1: their young together. So the female one of the reasons
Speaker 1: she has as markings. Is probably because it's disruptive coloration.
Speaker 1: And she will stay on the ground like they nest
Speaker 1: on the ground, like on this tundra. And it's not
Speaker 1: just like snow, right because then you'd say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they should be pure.
Speaker 2: White, because it's just gonna be pure white snow.
Speaker 1: Often it's not always covered in snow, but it's like
Speaker 1: you know, rocks and moss and all sort of little pinks. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So like she blends in a little better, you know,
Speaker 1: with the ground, and so she has his coloration.
Speaker 2: It's a similar reason.
Speaker 1: For why other birds are like females are often brown
Speaker 1: or tawny or something, whereas the males are like a
Speaker 1: flamboyant jewel tones. But yeah, so, but the male also
Speaker 1: plays a role. He goes out and gets groceries for her,
Speaker 1: and by groceries, I mean dead stuff and he brings
Speaker 1: them back.
Speaker 2: So he hunts, brings them back.
Speaker 1: Shield tear the little creatures that that he has hunted
Speaker 1: to shreds, and will.
Speaker 3: He goes grocery shopping at dead got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sorry, fred Meyer is a grocery store chain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I didn't get it. I was like, I
Speaker 1: show this is something.
Speaker 3: I don't know how widespread fred Meyer is, but it's
Speaker 3: a grocery store here, so, uh.
Speaker 2: There's a Pacific Northwest thing.
Speaker 3: It might be, I honest to God, have no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, joke, let's go. But yeah.
Speaker 1: So so he's he's feeding both his mate and the chicks,
Speaker 1: like bringing it, bringing it home, and then she's like
Speaker 1: shredding it and stuffing it in their little mouths. She's
Speaker 1: also uh, she's incubating the eggs with her body heat,
Speaker 1: and then she'll keep the babies, uh, the newborn hatchlings
Speaker 1: and uh up to well we'll talk more about it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she takes good care of them, uses her
Speaker 1: body heat. She's very fluffy. Feathers can trap a lot
Speaker 1: of heat, just like you know when you have a jacket,
Speaker 1: usually it's filled with either down or synthetic dam She
Speaker 1: built in puffer. Yeah, and she's got that like where
Speaker 1: she's got like the outer shell of the water resistant
Speaker 1: feathers and then inside more downy feathers, and then it
Speaker 1: creates these air pockets, these hot air pockets that keeps
Speaker 1: her warm, and then she can keep the babies warm,
Speaker 1: even the little hatchlings that just don't have a lot
Speaker 1: on them, but the but they'll soon develop down, which
Speaker 1: does help them stay warm. But it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: system that she has because she'll lay eggs usually maybe
Speaker 1: like maybe one a day, maybe one every other day,
Speaker 1: maybe Jesus Christ, Okay, maybe one a day, maybe one
Speaker 1: every other day. But they don't all hatch at once,
Speaker 1: so they uh they hatch in the order in which
Speaker 1: they were laid. Uh so because they're because of this,
Speaker 1: like you can have a hatchling that is much younger
Speaker 1: than the oldest baby. So like you could have an
Speaker 1: hatchling that's just fresh out of the egg, and then
Speaker 1: a chick that is three times its size because they
Speaker 1: like in like a week or so, they will triple
Speaker 1: in size. So they they grow really rapidly. And so
Speaker 1: they you'll see like a nest and you can see
Speaker 1: like eggs, little white fluff balls the size of I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a clementine, and then like these like
Speaker 1: big fat gray chicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's so you can have all these.
Speaker 1: Chicks in like all sorts of different stages of their
Speaker 1: development in one nest being taken care of by the
Speaker 1: parents and.
Speaker 3: So, and that's really cute. It's super nice to see.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you see, like in a sitcom family,
Speaker 3: you know, there's always got to be like the angsty
Speaker 3: teenage older sibling. Yeah, and then like the mischievous middle sibling,
Speaker 3: and then you know the maybe I don't know, shy
Speaker 3: and a little more timid like little baby.
Speaker 2: It's full house. I assume I've never watched it.
Speaker 3: So you got it, you nail it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah.
Speaker 1: The the only co the only negative consequence of this is,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe from our perspective of people who find
Speaker 1: these chicks to be very cute, is that the the
Speaker 1: older chicks do have more demand for calories, and so
Speaker 1: if times are tough and there's not enough food to
Speaker 1: go around, the mother will prioritize the older ones. Sorry,
Speaker 1: the younger ones really get screwed in this cerea, because
Speaker 1: like the babies of the family, the ones that are
Speaker 1: the younger or the hatchlings will get neglected in favor
Speaker 1: of the older ones if they need all the food.
Speaker 1: It's sad, but it's a grim calculation of like, look,
Speaker 1: this one is already healthy and big, and putting your
Speaker 1: resources into that is a more sure bet than a hatchling,
Speaker 1: where you don't know whether or not it's gonna do
Speaker 1: well in the coming weeks.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, the older one has already kind of made
Speaker 3: it a little farther, like you know that, like with
Speaker 3: every like every day, the chances of survival get a
Speaker 3: little higher, exactly, like, well, this one's already made it
Speaker 3: this far. It's more likely than the other one to
Speaker 3: keep surviving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You can always make more.
Speaker 2: You can always make more.
Speaker 1: But you know, despite this kind of grim calculation, they
Speaker 1: are very attentive parents that they will take care of
Speaker 1: the owlets defend them from predators. Outlets don't fledge like
Speaker 1: other birds who may be living in trees, right because
Speaker 1: they live in these nests on the ground, so like
Speaker 1: they don't have to fly before leaving the nest. They
Speaker 1: can wander outside of the nest. They keep this up
Speaker 1: for about six to seven weeks. Don't don't even don't
Speaker 1: even not gonna.
Speaker 3: Thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get so many emails if I don't do
Speaker 3: his exab it.
Speaker 1: Anyways, they stay close to the nests so that their
Speaker 1: mom can protect them until their flight muscles and their
Speaker 1: feathers are developed and then they can they can fly,
Speaker 1: but even then their parents will continue to help feed
Speaker 1: them for about two months, at which point they learn
Speaker 1: to hunt and then.
Speaker 2: They can be more independent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they they're they are not just given a
Speaker 1: sort of like really abrupt sind off. They're slowly kind
Speaker 1: of weaned off of their parents' care and they're still
Speaker 1: given it. Even once they can fly and they can
Speaker 1: walk around that the parents will still be like, all right,
Speaker 1: but this is how you like catch a mouse, like
Speaker 1: like a cat, like a cat teaching her kittens.
Speaker 3: This is cat software on bird hardware exactly. I did
Speaker 3: do a Google search for snowy owl chicks and I, mmmm,
Speaker 3: it's not what I wanted them to look like. I
Speaker 3: wanted them to look way cuter. They're a little scrungly.
Speaker 1: I love the that's the thing though. For me, love
Speaker 1: the scrungliness.
Speaker 3: They're still fluffy like, they still have the fluff like.
Speaker 3: They're still very like down they are.
Speaker 1: They are haunted, the haunting Victorian children of the animal world.
Speaker 3: I have to I'm gonna send you a link to
Speaker 3: the picture I'm looking at so you can see the
Speaker 3: sort of PTSD thousand yards stare that this baby snowy
Speaker 3: Owl has. It's just that first picture on this article.
Speaker 3: It's from the New Quay Zoo. Uh yeah, and he's
Speaker 3: just kind of like got the eyes going in either direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say front from dead on, Like front
Speaker 3: facing is never the most flattering angle for a bird,
Speaker 3: so they really kind of did them dirty on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's rough.
Speaker 1: I think it's the best. I think this is the
Speaker 1: best possible photo you could ever take. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There they go from being white when they're hatchlings to
Speaker 1: being gray and then once they get their adult plumage
Speaker 1: and they'll go back to being white and or chocolate chip.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It is kind of like a like a soot sprite.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they're they're a little haunted looking because they
Speaker 1: got these like yeah, they they don't quite have the
Speaker 1: the adult plumage where they look more catlike, so they
Speaker 1: just kind of look like us, like a little uh
Speaker 1: little grimlin.
Speaker 3: It's very goblin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very goblinoid. But yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Can see some very cute pictures of like this beautiful
Speaker 1: like snowy owl with her eyes kind of closed and
Speaker 1: you know, snowy alls have sort of like this line
Speaker 1: of feathers from their beaks that kind of looks like
Speaker 1: a little smile.
Speaker 3: It's very cute, very serene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she looks very peaceful and siren. Then
Speaker 1: she's got her a little gremlin uh with her.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: I can don't talk to me or my son ever
Speaker 3: again exactly.
Speaker 2: I sent you the picture of it.
Speaker 1: But she's just like, you know, like she's looking she's
Speaker 1: looking moisturized in her lane, thriving in the baby.
Speaker 3: Oh, she looks so proud of her awful child. She's
Speaker 3: like it might not be perfect, but it's the one
Speaker 3: I made.
Speaker 2: Love you about it. This is my beautiful child.
Speaker 3: I think every baby snowy owl has an internal dialogue
Speaker 3: of Eric Cartman. Yeah, oh god, what a cutie pie.
Speaker 1: Well, that is the parenting style of the snowy el Ellen,
Speaker 1: you got you got another another cool mom for us.
Speaker 3: I do well, I have a cool dad. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Pivot a little bit discriminate.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pivot a little bit from my original game
Speaker 3: plan because I think we would be remiss if we
Speaker 3: didn't uh talk about this animal. I feel like it's
Speaker 3: like the go to you know, cold weather extreme parent
Speaker 3: it's even like a go to like extreme parenting sort
Speaker 3: of thing for animals. So I we have to we're
Speaker 3: gonna stay in the bird group, We're gonna stay in
Speaker 3: the bird family, but go to the opposite pole, so
Speaker 3: down to Antarctica. I want to talk about emperor penguins. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do it, because I feel like you can't talk
Speaker 3: about like animal parenting without talking about emperor penguins. They
Speaker 3: are wild, and I do feel like, yeah, and there
Speaker 3: was a period of time, maybe about what fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: where they were like all the rage, where like everyone
Speaker 3: you know, we had March of the Penguins, had happy feet,
Speaker 3: like they were very much like front and center in
Speaker 3: pop culture. I feel like, but that time has passed,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, maybe they've faded from public consciousness.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's people out there who don't know.
Speaker 2: There is Pesto. He's a king penguin.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, the giant.
Speaker 3: Little baby pasto. Yeah, and then it was kind of
Speaker 3: a meme for a while, right.
Speaker 1: An enormous baby, an enormous baby penguin, a king penguin,
Speaker 1: which is the second largest penguin. The emperor penguin is
Speaker 1: the largest.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, and he was just like insanely massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's unit right. And he's just because they're
Speaker 1: the king penguin. Chicks are brown before their final plume,
Speaker 1: so it's like he was even like because I think
Speaker 1: he was fluffier than his parents, so it looked he
Speaker 1: looked bigger than his parents. I don't know that his
Speaker 1: final weight was actually bigger than his parents, but he
Speaker 1: just is this hulking, brown, slouching bird next to.
Speaker 2: The He's like elchebaca of a penguin exactly.
Speaker 1: But let's tell tell me about emperor penguins and in
Speaker 1: these cool dads.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel like we do see this. I
Speaker 3: feel like we see it more in birds than in other,
Speaker 3: like categories of animals. I guess where the dads are
Speaker 3: the ones doing a lot of the childcare. Like, I
Speaker 3: feel like we've heard about this with EMUs and stuff.
Speaker 3: So emperor penguins, you know, are aquatic birds. They spend
Speaker 3: most of their time in the water, but they actually
Speaker 3: breed on the ice during the winter, which sounds like
Speaker 3: that's not when you want to be doing things. It's
Speaker 3: a pretty harsh time of year. But the reason they
Speaker 3: do that is because during the winter, the ice is
Speaker 3: the thickest, so the biggest, the strongest layer of ice
Speaker 3: beneath them, so that the ice is strong enough to
Speaker 3: support the weight of the entire colony of penguins. That's
Speaker 3: a lot of penguin, and penguins are very heavy, you know,
Speaker 3: they don't have to fly, so they don't have those
Speaker 3: like hollow bones, so they're very dense and heavy. So
Speaker 3: they have to stand on the ice during the harshest
Speaker 3: part of the year, during the time when you do
Speaker 3: not want to be on the ice, but they're doing anyway.
Speaker 3: They're toughing it out up.
Speaker 2: There, so gut, I've seen them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all they're chunked up, you know, they're ready
Speaker 3: for it. So in order to so, first of all,
Speaker 3: the males are staying behind on the ice while the
Speaker 3: females go off to the ocean to feed. So the
Speaker 3: females actually lay lay their eggs on the ice and
Speaker 3: leave them behind with the dads and the females leave.
Speaker 3: So the dads stay behind with the eggs and they
Speaker 3: have a little like pouch underneath their tummy so that
Speaker 3: they can pull the egg up onto their feet. So
Speaker 3: they're they're keeping the egg in place on their feet.
Speaker 3: They have like a fold of skin that goes over
Speaker 3: their belly. I mean, I'm trying not to call it
Speaker 3: a pupa, but I mean I'm built in Yeah. Uh So,
Speaker 3: they you know, fold it over the egg to keep
Speaker 3: the eggnce and incubated and warm. And the males all
Speaker 3: huddle together so they get just all i mean, like
Speaker 3: touching each other. It is a claustrophobic nightmare.
Speaker 1: These are confident men who are secure in their masculinity.
Speaker 3: They're so cool, they're growing out. This is this is
Speaker 3: homie time.
Speaker 1: This is what you just gotta keep your egg and
Speaker 1: your fupo with your homies.
Speaker 3: They're they're they're literally chilling with the homies, with the bros.
Speaker 3: Uh So, they spend the entire winter huddled together on
Speaker 3: the open ice in these crowds of like thousands and
Speaker 3: thousands of penguins. So if you've seen March of the Penguins,
Speaker 3: or if you've seen Happy Feet, it is I feel
Speaker 3: like happy Feet did a really good job. Did you
Speaker 3: see happy Feet?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel.
Speaker 3: Like happy Feet did a fantastic job of depicting this. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've rewatched that movie recently. That movie was way more
Speaker 3: sexually charged that I remembered it being as a kid.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the female penguins that are like
Speaker 1: shapely somehow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like an hour glass figure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bird, Yeah you don't have memories, so.
Speaker 2: That we're not.
Speaker 3: This does not Yes, yeah, it's weird, weirdly horned up movie.
Speaker 3: But so the you know, the just like in Happy Feet,
Speaker 3: the males stay behind and warm the eggs during the winter,
Speaker 3: and they do this thing while the colony is huddled
Speaker 3: where the individuals would kind of rotate into and out
Speaker 3: of the center. So they make like a sort of
Speaker 3: like hurricane of penguins, so that every penguin kind of
Speaker 3: takes turns being on the outside and being like against
Speaker 3: the harsher winds. You know. Yeah, it's penguin na though.
Speaker 3: So the penguins that are like on the sides facing
Speaker 3: the wind, they like shuffle around the outside of the
Speaker 3: colony and like around to the opposite side, and the
Speaker 3: rest behind them follow in a single file line. So
Speaker 3: it makes this sort of like circular spiral shaped procession
Speaker 3: that just kind of ensures that like no penguin is
Speaker 3: ever on the outside the whole time, and they kind
Speaker 3: of like even do that in Happy Feet, like they
Speaker 3: talk about like taking turns and like you know, making
Speaker 3: sure that everyone gets a turn on the inside. So
Speaker 3: it's really really interesting. And like watching video of them
Speaker 3: doing this from above is really cool because you can
Speaker 3: see how they kind of like I think, like the
Speaker 3: way that crowds, not just a penguins, but like of
Speaker 3: people too, like begin to like follow fluid dynamics is
Speaker 3: really interesting. Yeah, it's really really cool to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably like a I mean, it's probably
Speaker 1: sort of an unconscious thing where it's like just this
Speaker 1: sort of constant shuffle that uh you know, like, oh
Speaker 1: it's a little warm over here, I'd like to shuffle
Speaker 1: towards that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that it's but they're not like.
Speaker 3: Fu I do have to at some point have to
Speaker 3: get back to the outside.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So it's not like they are fighting the
Speaker 1: others to like, wait a.
Speaker 2: Minute, it's really warm here, I want to stay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting how sort of like understand like
Speaker 3: they all kind of like seem to have this sort
Speaker 3: of like unspoken under I mean it's unspoken. The're penguins
Speaker 3: seem to Yeah, they're not like fighting each other. They're
Speaker 3: not trying to push each other out of the way.
Speaker 3: It's not like a violent thing. It's just that everyone
Speaker 3: kind of is like, Okay, I know I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to have my turn on the outside, but that means
Speaker 3: like when I get back around, I'll have a turn
Speaker 3: on the inside. And the males are there for months,
Speaker 3: for months on end, they are huddled together to incubate
Speaker 3: the eggs, and they they cannot eat anything during this time.
Speaker 3: They are just straight like toughen it out, hunkering down
Speaker 3: because the egg wouldn't survive without the warmth. This is winter,
Speaker 3: so it's like at its coldest, it's at its windiest.
Speaker 3: It's really really harsh. They cannot let go of the
Speaker 3: egg this entire time. They have to stay there. They
Speaker 3: can't eat, they can't do anything. So then when the
Speaker 3: mothers come back from hunting in the ocean, the mother
Speaker 3: and the father then trade off, so she'll take the
Speaker 3: egg and then the father can leave. He can go
Speaker 3: feed in the ocean, and then he will come back,
Speaker 3: and after that point they'll take turns, so it's a
Speaker 3: little more egalitarian after the winter. But the father staying
Speaker 3: behind with the egg gives the mother the chance to
Speaker 3: go bulk up and you know, bring back some food
Speaker 3: to regurgitate. And I was reading about how it's so
Speaker 3: dedicated are penguin fathers, that there are many cases and
Speaker 3: I could only find examples of king penguins doing this,
Speaker 3: so I can't like confirm that this happens in emperor
Speaker 3: penguins too, but they're like pretty closely related, so I
Speaker 3: don't think it would be you know, unexpected if in
Speaker 3: penguins do it too. Yeah, they're like the same thing.
Speaker 2: They're a little butlers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so dedicated, so locked in our penguin fathers
Speaker 3: that in a lot of cases, male penguins would form
Speaker 3: couples and adopt abandoned eggs. So like if there is
Speaker 3: an egg that has been lost, or like a chick
Speaker 3: that like maybe their mom didn't come back or something like,
Speaker 3: male penguins just like there their drive to like take
Speaker 3: care of eggs and chicks is so strong that they
Speaker 3: will like pair up with unpaired males and and adopt
Speaker 3: a chick or an egg. And this has happened that
Speaker 3: zoo's like all over the world. Probably the most famous
Speaker 3: penguin couple is Roy and Silo, who were actually chin
Speaker 3: strap penguins, so they were not king or emperor penguins,
Speaker 3: but they were chin strap penguins who adopted at the
Speaker 3: Odensa's Zoo in Denmark, who adopted a baby chick. Roy
Speaker 3: and Silo. They nested together as a couple for six years,
Speaker 3: so even though they didn't have any eggs or chicks,
Speaker 3: they were nesting together and then eventually they were I
Speaker 3: guess they were given a like a chick to raise together. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The chick was named Tango, and they inspired a children's book,
Speaker 3: uh An Tango Makes Three, which was very a very
Speaker 3: popular children's book a few years ago. But this has happened, Like,
Speaker 3: that's not the only gay penguin couple. They have happened.
Speaker 3: This happens a bunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's not like.
Speaker 1: Just one.
Speaker 2: There's only two gay penguins.
Speaker 1: Somehow there's penguin Yeah, exactly. It happens all the time.
Speaker 3: I was I want to say, I read an article
Speaker 3: about a penguin that had made it with a like
Speaker 3: a cardboard cutout of an anime girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar to me too, for some reason.
Speaker 3: Was it hot Sune meku? Okay?
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, that there's a penguin that was
Speaker 1: it a penguin or an albatross?
Speaker 3: Okay? So it's His name is grape Kun, a humble
Speaker 3: penguin at the Tobu Zoo in Japan.
Speaker 2: And he.
Speaker 3: Was in a romantic relate, a very intense romantic relationship
Speaker 3: with a cutout of an anthropomorphic Humboldt penguin character from
Speaker 3: the anime series Kimono Friends. So I guess there's like
Speaker 3: a a penguin based character in this anime and they
Speaker 3: made a cutout of the anime girl and put it
Speaker 3: in his enclosure, and he fell in love with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean wouldn't though, really, Like, I mean, listen, look,
Speaker 2: they just like us. They should have gotten nim a
Speaker 2: body pillow.
Speaker 3: The pictures are really cute of him and his cardboard
Speaker 3: cutout together. They're adorable. So it is it is funny
Speaker 3: to me that, like, you know, penguins just have this
Speaker 3: like very strong drive to like couple up and raise
Speaker 3: a chick. Yeah, and what hold on? I had one
Speaker 3: more thing? Also, Oh yeah, there's also I feel like
Speaker 3: I see all over the internet this sort of factoid
Speaker 3: floating around that like penguins mate for life. There's this
Speaker 3: idea that like penguins like for you know, monogamous couples
Speaker 3: for life, which mating for life I think is a
Speaker 3: lot more rare in nature than people think it is.
Speaker 2: It's very rare like that.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes like when we talk about monogamy, sometimes it
Speaker 1: just means for like a few seasons, right, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's it happens, but yes.
Speaker 3: It does. Albatrosses will mate for life, Swans will mate
Speaker 3: for life. Like there's some some you know, larger birds
Speaker 3: that will actually mate for life as and they only
Speaker 3: mate with the same Sandhill cranes will actually mate for
Speaker 3: life to the point that if one of their partners die,
Speaker 3: they might be done, Like they might not find a
Speaker 3: new partner after their partner dies. Not all the time,
Speaker 3: but like I think that's what people think of when
Speaker 3: they think of like mating for life, which is extremely
Speaker 3: rare in nature. So penguins don't. They will mate monogamously,
Speaker 3: but like for the season, so like they'll have one
Speaker 3: partner that they stay with for the season, and then
Speaker 3: if they successfully have a chick and raise that chick.
Speaker 3: They're more likely to return to that partner in the
Speaker 3: next season, but it's not like they'll stay with one
Speaker 3: because they're yeah, because they're like, you know what, we
Speaker 3: did this last year and it worked out fine, so
Speaker 3: let's just try it again. Why bother going to Yeah,
Speaker 3: why bother trying to find a new person when I
Speaker 3: know it worked out better with you. I worked out
Speaker 3: it worked out fine with you last year. So they
Speaker 3: will kind of like return to the same partner in
Speaker 3: consecutive breeding seasons. But it's not a for life thing
Speaker 3: that I think people like like to romanticize, especially penguins, Right,
Speaker 3: they're adorable, they're cute. People want to see themselves reflected,
Speaker 3: So I think people will will latch onto this idea
Speaker 3: that penguins mate for life, which is a cute idea
Speaker 3: but not really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's like there could be some cases in which
Speaker 1: you have a penguin essentially mating for life, but it's
Speaker 1: not it is it's not like a hard and fast rule,
Speaker 1: And penguins don't have like a sense of morality in
Speaker 1: that dimension, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like, right, like it doesn't mean anything to them, Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean they might I think it's it's one could imagine
Speaker 1: that they grow fond of one another, but like again,
Speaker 1: like it's a you know, if you're like you got
Speaker 1: you you have a situation where like you're waiting with
Speaker 1: this egg and your partner's going off to get fish.
Speaker 1: If they never come back, you gotta like you know,
Speaker 1: be open to like finding something else, right, Like, So
Speaker 1: it's not like I mean they're really dependable and everything
Speaker 1: works out like yeah, maybe, but otherwise, you know, might not.
Speaker 3: I know, with like albatrosses, which have a similar like
Speaker 3: one parent stays home while the other one is gone
Speaker 3: for a long period of time, they have to kind
Speaker 3: of like over the because they do mate like together
Speaker 3: over consecutive breeding seasons, they will like get to know
Speaker 3: each other to the point where like one albatross will
Speaker 3: kind of learn how long the other one is usually gone,
Speaker 3: and like they they learn how to like adjust and
Speaker 3: they might be like, Okay, well last year my mate
Speaker 3: was gone for like two weeks, so I know that
Speaker 3: I can be gone for two weeks. So like they'll
Speaker 3: kind of like adjust their timing based on how like
Speaker 3: they know the other one. But I think with penguins,
Speaker 3: they it's not as likely that they're going to be
Speaker 3: with the same one for like that long. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they'll just be like, you took too long last time,
Speaker 3: I'm not coming back to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, all but trusses have to constantly sort of like
Speaker 1: reaffirm their relationships, so like when they like come back,
Speaker 1: they'll do these like wild sort of like greetings and
Speaker 1: like chest rubbies and vocalization.
Speaker 2: Because it's like.
Speaker 1: They have to do that to kind of sort of
Speaker 1: like reconnect and strengthen that bond. Otherwise, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily going to be you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's just like people, right, Like you got to
Speaker 1: keep the love alive by like sort.
Speaker 2: Of like screaming at each each other while you're your chest.
Speaker 3: Another thing that I feel like happy Feet got really
Speaker 3: right also is that the penguins do like identify each
Speaker 3: other by their voice, right, because you imagine like when
Speaker 3: all these penguins are coming back to the colony, they
Speaker 3: have to pick out which male and baby is theirs,
Speaker 3: and they are actually really good at like figuring out
Speaker 3: which voice belongs to theirs, which I do feel like
Speaker 3: is is a very relatable thing because when I am
Speaker 3: at like you know, say I'm at chuck E Cheese
Speaker 3: or something like that, and there's like a million squealing,
Speaker 3: screaming children. I can tell which one is my screaming child.
Speaker 3: Like if I hear a scream that, I'm like, that
Speaker 3: one's mine. Or if you're out and about somewhere you
Speaker 3: hear like a child scream, if it doesn't sound like
Speaker 3: your child, you're like, okay, I don't need a panic
Speaker 3: about that. That one's not mine. That's that's all I
Speaker 3: had on Emperor penguins. I just I felt like we
Speaker 3: would be remiss if we didn't talk about probably like
Speaker 3: the champion of cold weather parenting, the Emperor pan.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely these these these uh pills.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It didn't It didn't sound good when I said it.
Speaker 3: So that was I feel like I could hear the
Speaker 3: regret as it was leading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these penguin daddies also bad.
Speaker 2: None of this. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to h Walris walrus moms. Uh So
Speaker 1: you know Walruses, you love them. They you you put
Speaker 1: maybe like a couple of carrots in your mouth and
Speaker 1: you're you're like, hey, look at me, I'm a walrus.
Speaker 1: It's highly offensive to Walruses don't do that, so I like.
Speaker 3: It's French fries. I'm sorry the American Washier analogy.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 2: We have French fries here.
Speaker 1: So they're these massive blubbery giants found in the Arctic
Speaker 1: with their impressive tusks. They're pinnipeds, meaning their members of
Speaker 1: the seal clade. Both males and females have tusks, though
Speaker 1: the males grow theirs out a bit longer and thicker
Speaker 1: for sexual competition, so they can fight each other and
Speaker 1: be like, I'm I'm the big I'm the big walrus
Speaker 1: on the block. They have relatively long live spans and
Speaker 1: are slow to mature. They can reach sexual maturity at
Speaker 1: around seven years. The males often only start mating around
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Usually this is not because they're not sexually mature,
Speaker 1: but because they need to accumulate mass and respect in
Speaker 1: order in order to mate with females, and they live
Speaker 1: to be about thirty years old in the wild. So interestingly,
Speaker 1: so when walrus gets pregnant, she's able to freeze the
Speaker 1: development of an embryo between mating and gestation order for
Speaker 1: there to be the optimal timing for when the offspring
Speaker 1: is born in ideal conditions with enough resources around. The
Speaker 1: pregnancy itself is like not enviable. They are pregnant for
Speaker 1: up to sixteen months.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, crazy, Actually that's more than a year. That's
Speaker 3: like almost a year and a half of being pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild. I mean elephants go even longer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the general the general thing is like
Speaker 1: the bigger, the bigger the baby, the longer it takes
Speaker 1: us longer takes to cook.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And so she will give birth alone on an ice
Speaker 1: floe away from the herd, which seems a little counterintuitive,
Speaker 1: but apparently like by doing this, when she she's sort
Speaker 1: of like out on the flow ice, she's avoiding predators
Speaker 1: that might come and like be like, hey, there's a
Speaker 1: big group of walruses. I know there's got to be
Speaker 1: babies there. I'm going to try to go get some.
Speaker 1: So she's kind of like on a on a boat,
Speaker 1: an ice boat alone, and then she's yeah, and when
Speaker 1: she fasts for a few days while nursing the newborn
Speaker 1: pup before returning to the herd, Yeah, just really not
Speaker 1: an ideal situation. I would not want to be a
Speaker 1: pregnant Walrus.
Speaker 3: No, everything sounds bad.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's pretty bad. So yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also, newborns are absolutely enormous. They're already around
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds when they're born, which is
Speaker 1: around up to six up to seventy five kilograms. They
Speaker 1: can whim. As newborns, they will rapidly start gaining weight
Speaker 1: from very fatty, very protein rich milk from their mother's
Speaker 1: and she's gonna be nursing him for anywhere from one
Speaker 1: to two years. Uh yeah, so uh yeah, I just
Speaker 1: did a Google search for baby walrus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good Google. It's a good blood.
Speaker 1: They're very they're very they're uh the little faces are
Speaker 1: very wrinkly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very wrinkly. Like it's like they they they
Speaker 3: got it's like they got born with like the amount
Speaker 3: of skin that they're gonna need later, but like they
Speaker 3: haven't filled it out yet, so they're just like they
Speaker 3: look like a basset hound.
Speaker 2: I mean kind of like they do.
Speaker 1: They do gotta grow uh, pretty pretty fast.
Speaker 3: So they looks like their skins too big for their body.
Speaker 3: They got it in the wrong size.
Speaker 1: And they've already got that characteristic bristly mustache. So they're
Speaker 1: born looking like little old baldmin.
Speaker 3: Like being born with a mustache is a power move,
Speaker 3: that's really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, they they're born struggling and wrinkly and
Speaker 1: needing a ton of milk. Uh, and the mother will
Speaker 1: provide and she'll not only nurse them for up to
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 3: They do look like a little baby grandpa.
Speaker 1: Yeah here, baby Grandpa, have some money, grandpa. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they they'll they'll like stick around their mothers for around
Speaker 1: five years. So, like, it's pretty unusual in the wild
Speaker 1: for a parent to take care of offspring this long. Like,
Speaker 1: there are obviously exceptions where one of them. The amount
Speaker 1: of time we take care of our offspring is quite uh,
Speaker 1: you know, quite impressive. Elephants are another one. Like, they
Speaker 1: will take care of them for quite a long time,
Speaker 1: and the females will actually just like stay and continue
Speaker 1: to be, you know, in the group with their mothers
Speaker 1: and grandmothers and aunts and sisters, et cetera, whereas male
Speaker 1: elephants are given the boot like get out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so they really invest a lot in these giant, very
Speaker 1: hungry babies, and I do not envy them like, there
Speaker 1: are some there are some mothers that I envy in nature,
Speaker 1: like kangaroos. I feel like because like I'm not someone
Speaker 1: who's like I want to be a snake, lay an
Speaker 1: egg and forget about it.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I like babies.
Speaker 1: But the kangaroos like kind of got a nice situation
Speaker 1: going where she gives birth to like a little tiny
Speaker 1: jelly bean that crawls into her pouch and then then
Speaker 1: she just keeps them there in her pouch.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, you finish this on your own time exactly.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good compromise to me.
Speaker 3: You still get to like carry them with you and
Speaker 3: like experience, you know, the cute holding onto the cute joey.
Speaker 3: But like you're like, but that's your business, right, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be I don't have to be involved
Speaker 3: in the rest of it.
Speaker 1: I don't have to get like this enormous head somehow
Speaker 1: outside of my pelvis that was uh that has evolved
Speaker 1: for me to walk up, right, not for a baby
Speaker 1: to get through.
Speaker 3: You think that with kangaroos, like the bouncing could help it, Like,
Speaker 3: because because I know that a lot of times in
Speaker 3: labor they tell you to kind of like bounce on
Speaker 3: a yoga ball or something, because like the grabby could help, like.
Speaker 1: Doesn't help the kings room probably doesn't need to. It's
Speaker 1: just so so tiny like that. It's it's like a bean.
Speaker 1: I don't I think it's all pretty. I don't even
Speaker 1: know she knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, it's one of those like I didn't
Speaker 3: know I was pregnant. Yeah, but it's like I didn't
Speaker 3: know I had a baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She can also freeze her the development of the embryo
Speaker 1: if things are not ideal circumstances and then start that
Speaker 1: back up. You know what once she senses like basically
Speaker 1: it's like gonna be hormonal cues probably from her diet
Speaker 1: and temperature stress, et cetera, that tells her body like, actually,
Speaker 1: yeah we can, we can stop this embryo, you know,
Speaker 1: without having to redo the whole process.
Speaker 2: You know, in humans we do this.
Speaker 1: But that's like a lot of early miscarriage is basically
Speaker 1: the body is sensing that something's not ideal, and most
Speaker 1: of the time it's some kind of genetic issue with
Speaker 1: the with the embryo.
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with like the mother's.
Speaker 1: Behavior at all, but yeah, like these kinds of things
Speaker 1: where like there's like these weird calculations happening in utero
Speaker 1: where it's like, do do we proceed with baby? Do
Speaker 1: we put the baby on pause, or.
Speaker 2: Like you know, eject the embryo?
Speaker 1: Like these are these are things that are just happening
Speaker 1: biologically as humans, Like it can be really difficult for
Speaker 1: us because we get emotionally invested in it, but it
Speaker 1: is a very common kind of thing that just happens
Speaker 1: these animals. So it's like, yeah, actually, both, like I said,
Speaker 1: both the both the walrus and the kangaroo can sort
Speaker 1: of pause the development of embryo.
Speaker 3: Which seems like a good idea, Like I'm gonna hold onto.
Speaker 2: This for later, right, save it for later, put it
Speaker 2: in the fridge. Right, Do you have any more animal
Speaker 2: parents for us?
Speaker 1: Ellen?
Speaker 3: I do. And I actually this was a really good
Speaker 3: tie in because I want people to keep in mind
Speaker 3: the things we just talked about with both the walrus
Speaker 3: and the kangaroo, because I want talk about brown bears.
Speaker 3: Brown bears, they are the big ones, the big, chunky,
Speaker 3: well not as big as polar bears. Polar bears are
Speaker 3: bigger than brown bears. But brown bears, especially grizzly bears,
Speaker 3: which are kind of specific to areas in I believe, Alaska,
Speaker 3: in Canada where you'll see grizzly bears. Grizzly bears are
Speaker 3: like a subset of brown bears. But brown bears are
Speaker 3: the very large bears that you'll see up in particularly
Speaker 3: the northern parts of the United States in Canada. We
Speaker 3: have them here where I live in Washington, not like
Speaker 3: here here, but in Washington there are populations of brown
Speaker 3: bears in like the Cascade Mountains. There's brown bears I
Speaker 3: believe that have been reintroduced to California, though they were
Speaker 3: once much more populous in like on the West Coast,
Speaker 3: there used to be way more brown bears. Now they've
Speaker 3: been largely extirpated. Oh, Yosemite, I know, like Yellowstone and Yosemite.
Speaker 3: You'll see wild brown bears out in areas like that.
Speaker 3: So these are the big ones. If anyone tuned into
Speaker 3: Fat Bear Week in the fall, if you if you're
Speaker 3: a Fat Bear Week fan, you know that brown bears
Speaker 3: spend the late summer and early fall chunking up to
Speaker 3: go into hibernation. So Fat Bear Week is specific to
Speaker 3: cat my National Park, which is in Alaska where the
Speaker 3: grizzly bears up there. They will like take pictures of
Speaker 3: the same bear at like the spring when they emerge
Speaker 3: from hibernation, when they're all so much yeah, they're so
Speaker 3: like lanky and skinny because they just like starved for
Speaker 3: like six months, and then they take a picture of
Speaker 3: them at the very end of the of the summer
Speaker 3: when they're about to go back into hibernation, so you
Speaker 3: can see the dramatic transformation between like they get they
Speaker 3: come out all skinny, almost looking like a coyote, you know,
Speaker 3: like they come out all yeah, they're all lanky and
Speaker 3: skinny and stuff. And then when they're by the end
Speaker 3: of the like the summer in the early fall, by
Speaker 3: like September ish, they are round, spherical, assume, a perfect
Speaker 3: sphere of a bing.
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand how their legs are supporting this bulk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are really really hefty. And I think also
Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't know is that when
Speaker 3: when when bears go into hibernation, they're not it's not
Speaker 3: really like a full hibernation in the sense that the
Speaker 3: bear is like a sleep that whole time. It's it's
Speaker 3: more of a state called torpor where their metabolism slows
Speaker 3: really really slows down, like really really far. They you know,
Speaker 3: their heart's not beating very fast. Their heart is usually
Speaker 3: beating like less than ten times per minute. They are
Speaker 3: conserving er. They're in power saving mode basically like basically
Speaker 3: very basic body functions, only they can they can move
Speaker 3: around a little bit, but not that much, but they
Speaker 3: can like get up and go to the bathroom. They
Speaker 3: can do basic body functions, including giving birth. So the
Speaker 3: mother bears will give birth in their den during this
Speaker 3: period of hibernation, which kind of sounds counterintuitive because most mammals,
Speaker 3: especially give birth in the spring when that's when things
Speaker 3: are starting. You know, you're getting more food opportunities, things
Speaker 3: are coming out of hibernation, like spring, makes the most
Speaker 3: sense to have a baby. But bears are usually brown.
Speaker 3: Bears are usually giving birth in their dens during like
Speaker 3: January and February, which seems like the worst time to
Speaker 3: be doing that for me.
Speaker 1: I'm happy about it because I'm probably it's gonna be
Speaker 1: January or February for me because I'm I'm definitely more
Speaker 1: of a cold weather bear than.
Speaker 3: You can get bundled up. Yeah, you could like, yeah, as
Speaker 3: someone who was pregnant in the summer, No that sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm not do not do not envy that
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be eating a ton of salmon, putting
Speaker 1: a ton of salmon straight from the river and getting
Speaker 1: real bulky and then like form a fecal plug or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So the and also like nursing a baby is metabolically expensive.
Speaker 3: You're spending a lot of your fats and proteins on
Speaker 3: making milk for the baby. So you know, babies usually
Speaker 3: are kind of born later in the spring, but brown
Speaker 3: bears are giving birth in the dead of winter. And okay,
Speaker 3: so what you talked about for the walrus, right, typically,
Speaker 3: like the bigger the animal and the bigger the baby,
Speaker 3: the longer you're gonna be pregnant with it, the longer
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to spend feeding it and stuff. So,
Speaker 3: and brown bears are huge. They are up to you know,
Speaker 3: four or five six hundred pounds, massive, massive bears, and
Speaker 3: you would expect them to have very very large offspring too,
Speaker 3: But the cubs are only like a pound when they're born.
Speaker 3: And brown bears they're so good little beans and.
Speaker 1: The nub and they're just like kind of like little nubbuns,
Speaker 1: like they don't they're so nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just little little teeny popcorn chicken guys. And
Speaker 3: and the bear is only pregnant with them for like
Speaker 3: kind of close to a human gestational period. It's like
Speaker 3: closer to that sort of thirty to forty week mark,
Speaker 3: which is, you know, for a massive animal, that's pretty
Speaker 3: unusual that they But what they're basically doing is they're
Speaker 3: kind of taking the kangaroo path of instead of letting
Speaker 3: the baby develop entirely inside of their body, they're giving
Speaker 3: birth to the baby when it's not very well developed,
Speaker 3: it's very very early in their development. But they're kind
Speaker 3: of using the den as an external womb. So whereas
Speaker 3: the kangaroo has a built in pouch that the baby
Speaker 3: can can be safe and warm in while they continue
Speaker 3: to develop, the bear is kind of using the den
Speaker 3: as like an extension of its sort of womb. So
Speaker 3: the den is keeping the baby protected and warm, and
Speaker 3: I think kind of taking a lot of that, taking
Speaker 3: a lot of the demands of pregnancy off of the
Speaker 3: mother so that she can continue to use her fat
Speaker 3: reserves to both feed her cubs and keep herself alive
Speaker 3: because like keep in mind, she also has to go
Speaker 3: with no food for like six months while also feeding cubs.
Speaker 3: So I think that the using the den to kind
Speaker 3: of like offload some of the demands of pregnancy and
Speaker 3: you know, having a newborn cub.
Speaker 1: But like keeping it warm, keeping it there regulated it's
Speaker 1: not all your body temperature having to do this.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So she kind of uses the den to
Speaker 3: alleviate some of the strain of pregnancy so that she
Speaker 3: can you know, do it during that really harsh time
Speaker 3: of year. And then by the time they're ready to
Speaker 3: come out in the spring, which is only just like
Speaker 3: four or five months later, so you have to move,
Speaker 3: like you got to be ready, yea. And the cubs
Speaker 3: have grown about ten times their birth weight in about
Speaker 3: five months, so they usually will be up to like,
Speaker 3: you know, ten to fifteen pounds when they're ready to
Speaker 3: leave the nest in there and they're like walking and
Speaker 3: ready to follow their mom. They can kind of keep
Speaker 3: up with her. So that was just like the.
Speaker 1: Most adorable the most adorable baby sort of walk. I
Speaker 1: feel like baby bears just the awkwardness of it.
Speaker 3: They have their like feet at a ninety degree angle
Speaker 3: and like they haven't quite learned how to bend their
Speaker 3: elbows correctly yet, so they're just you know what I
Speaker 3: think movie I think captured the baby bear walk so
Speaker 3: well was Brother Bear. Yeah, yeah, the Brother Bear gets
Speaker 3: baby baby Bear walk down really well.
Speaker 1: It's not like I feel like it's kind of not
Speaker 1: a super appreciated Disney movie because it's.
Speaker 3: Like it's a deeper cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like not it's not as much of a
Speaker 1: classic as the other one's.
Speaker 2: I liked it, but the.
Speaker 3: Very well animated the bear.
Speaker 2: Animation is insane. It was so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, the the guy did that I think was his,
Speaker 2: and he did a recent one called a snow Bear.
Speaker 2: I think you can find it on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Couldn't get an enough of those bears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron Blaze, you're right, uh and uh yeah, he
Speaker 1: once again nails bear animation.
Speaker 3: It's nobody does bears like this.
Speaker 2: Nobody does bears like this guy. It's like a short.
Speaker 1: It's like a eleven twelve minute short animated thing, so
Speaker 1: you can watch it over breakfast. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's very good. It's a it's very cute. It's speaking
Speaker 1: of speaking of cold cold bears. This I think this
Speaker 1: is like these this is a polar bear that he's
Speaker 1: he's animating, and it's it's very very cute, very deeply
Speaker 1: touching animation. But again, like getting the getting the animation
Speaker 1: of the bear movement is uh, you know, I think
Speaker 1: they just like watched hours and hours and hours and
Speaker 1: hours and hours.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, bears moving for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh what a hard job that must be having to
Speaker 3: watch just adorable little bears toddling around. But like, I
Speaker 3: feel like how much they fast forward, Like growth is
Speaker 3: so impressive by the fact that, like, because I'm imagining,
Speaker 3: like if our babies grew by ten times their birth
Speaker 3: weight in the first like five or six months, Like
Speaker 3: can you imagine you know that?
Speaker 2: Mother, I'm going to law school.
Speaker 3: You know those like pinteresty little like photo shoots that
Speaker 3: people do with the little signs that'll be like four
Speaker 3: months old, five months old, it's like one of those,
Speaker 3: but the child is like fully like eighty pounds and sprinting.
Speaker 2: I require more calories, mother.
Speaker 3: I hunger. I had My first baby was ten pounds
Speaker 3: four ounces. Ooh, so I simply can't imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my, my, my, I don't know if this is something.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've talked about this before.
Speaker 1: My my husband is enormous in the sort of in
Speaker 1: his altitude, and I keep back as the guy to
Speaker 1: collogists like like how big is it now? Is it
Speaker 1: like normal size?
Speaker 3: Because I'm just like, well, they lied to me, because
Speaker 3: when I was pregnant with my first one, they kept
Speaker 3: telling me like, oh, yeah, like eight pounds, he'll be
Speaker 3: like normal size. And I'm like, I don't think you checked,
Speaker 3: like because I was but big babies run on my
Speaker 3: run on my side of the family. I was like
Speaker 3: a nine pound baby. Uh, there's been you know, ten
Speaker 3: plus pound babies for multiple generations in her family. And
Speaker 3: I asked, and I was I was nineteen when I
Speaker 3: was giving birth, and so I was like, can you
Speaker 3: guys please check? Can you let me know what I'm getting?
Speaker 3: And they didn't really like measure or anything. They would
Speaker 3: just kind of like feel my belly and they that
Speaker 3: seems like, yeah, very scientific, So you're like, yeah, it
Speaker 3: could be like eight ish pounds as fine. And then afterwards,
Speaker 3: when after giving birth and they actually checked and weighed him,
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, he's ten pounds four ounces, and
Speaker 3: the doctor because because I was so young, you know,
Speaker 3: giving birth. The doctor was like, I'm sorry, if we
Speaker 3: had known that was going to happen, we probably would
Speaker 3: have recommended a C section. That's actually crazy.
Speaker 2: And you asked many times.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I did specifically ask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got so like we got gens going in
Speaker 1: both directions because like in my family, we've generally like smaller,
Speaker 1: normal sized babies and small, smallish heads, and then on
Speaker 1: bread side of the family, big babies with big heads.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, it averages out.
Speaker 2: That's what I hope.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how jeans work. It's just that you add
Speaker 1: them up and you divide them by two and then you.
Speaker 2: Have it's to mean exactly exactly. Yeah, but like.
Speaker 3: What if what if huge baby tidy head?
Speaker 1: That would be interesting. I'll go to Tyler rinkis of
Speaker 1: a baby?
Speaker 2: This is very strange, littlemunculous.
Speaker 3: Look up, Look up, K Tyler Rincus, real.
Speaker 2: Quick, Tylo Rincus. Who what is this?
Speaker 3: C O t y l O r h y n
Speaker 3: c h u s. Look up to K Tyler Recus
Speaker 3: real quick.
Speaker 2: It's like a dinosaur.
Speaker 3: It's I think it was a synapsid. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was a dinosaur. It was like one of those
Speaker 3: early like I shoot offs that later became Man, that's
Speaker 3: my boy, that's my beautiful son. You're gonna be the
Speaker 3: snowy owl smiling next year.
Speaker 1: I will love my nub headed son with the giant,
Speaker 1: the giant reptilian body.
Speaker 2: My barrel shaped, yeah, barrel and tetrapod.
Speaker 1: Uh. I mean you may not like to hear this,
Speaker 1: but this is peak form. This is this is actually yeah,
Speaker 1: this incredible, incredible. It's like a yeah, it's like a turtle,
Speaker 1: but everything is flesh, like the shell is flesh. That
Speaker 1: everything's flesh. Uh, it's a flesh turtle.
Speaker 3: A turtle that forgot about shells.
Speaker 2: A giant, round barrel chested flesh turtle.
Speaker 3: That's your boy.
Speaker 2: That's my boys, that's your that's your that's your little son.
Speaker 2: More we go. We do.
Speaker 1: Got a play a little game called Guess you squawk
Speaker 1: and the Mystery Animal sound game. Last time, the hint
Speaker 1: was this, Uh, something is lurking in the cold waters
Speaker 1: in the depth and it's adorable.
Speaker 2: All right, Oh you got any guesses?
Speaker 3: That was the deck of the Star Trek. That was
Speaker 3: the USS enterprise. It was the background music that they
Speaker 3: play in like Star Trek. Yeah, episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, space noises.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was some space noises, some bleeps and bloops,
Speaker 3: some spaceship sounds, some onboard computers. You know what. I
Speaker 3: think we did an episode maybe like a year or
Speaker 3: two ago, on Ross's Seal, and I feel like they
Speaker 3: made this exact sound or something very s because I
Speaker 3: remember it being described as a siren like sound. Some
Speaker 3: of that sounded like an ambulance siren. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say Ross's Seal, That's what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: You are so agonizingly close. This is a man, it
Speaker 1: is a seal.
Speaker 2: This is a wettle seal.
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my next like if it wasn't
Speaker 3: the Ross's Seal, if that was gonna be my next thought.
Speaker 3: But it was like it sounds so close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very similar. They are found in Antarctica
Speaker 1: and they hunt fish in the water under the ice.
Speaker 1: They have a thick layer of blubber so that they
Speaker 1: can stay warm, and they make these weird alien sounds.
Speaker 1: A lot of the frequencies outside of our hearing range,
Speaker 1: and we're not exactly sure why they do this. It
Speaker 1: could be just communication among them. There's like a theory
Speaker 1: that it could be a sort of form of echolocation
Speaker 1: where they listen for the echoes off of the ice,
Speaker 1: but there's not that. That's never been proven, so we
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe they're just playing aliens.
Speaker 2: It could be like I'm a spaceship whoa we? So
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly why.
Speaker 1: Probably communication, possibly a form of being able to detect
Speaker 1: where the ice is, but again that's like a that
Speaker 1: is not that is not proven there. I don't believe
Speaker 1: there's been evidence of that other than it seems like
Speaker 1: something they would do.
Speaker 3: Have you because you were talking about Walrus's earlier, have
Speaker 3: you heard some of the sounds that Walruses make?
Speaker 1: I believe so, but I want to know what specifically, because.
Speaker 3: All of the sounds that they make are very strange.
Speaker 3: One of the ones that they make that this one
Speaker 3: actually reminded me a lot of that. I thought it
Speaker 3: may have been early, like early in the clip, is
Speaker 3: that they make a bell clanging sound nice like I
Speaker 3: don't know how they make it. They make it. It's
Speaker 3: in their throat. They're doing something in their throat and
Speaker 3: it echoes in the water in such a way that
Speaker 3: it really it sounds exactly like like one of those
Speaker 3: big bronze bells, Like it sounds exactly like a beldar shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I see e T.
Speaker 1: The walrus practices his vocalizations at Point Defiance Zoo Aquarius.
Speaker 3: That's my zoo. Baby, it's in Tacoma. I was just
Speaker 3: there a couple of nights ago.
Speaker 2: Let's let's play the let's play some of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is so This is from the Point
Speaker 1: Defiance zooa aquarium.
Speaker 3: They're in Tacoma, Washington.
Speaker 1: Represents uh and he's a thirty one year old Pacific walrus. H.
Speaker 2: Let's let's hear.
Speaker 4: Him for Butter's well.
Speaker 2: Wow, incredible.
Speaker 3: It's hard to hear when they're out of love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll crank it up a little bit so that
Speaker 1: you can. You guys can hear it a little better.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is that is wild. Also, just like
Speaker 1: watching this video, their eyes are so weird. I don't
Speaker 1: think about it that their eyes are so weird. Looking
Speaker 1: looks like it anymoment it does.
Speaker 3: They look like pugs. They look awful and the and
Speaker 3: their lips are so much fleshier than you think they are.
Speaker 1: It's just they're a nightmare creature. They look like they're
Speaker 1: one sneeze away from their face exploding.
Speaker 3: And and and that whistle sound too. When they do
Speaker 3: that at the zoo, you can hear it all over
Speaker 3: the place, like you can hear it from like the entrance.
Speaker 3: And if because I hear them do this whistling a
Speaker 3: lot when I'm visiting the zoo, and now that I've
Speaker 3: visit did a few times and I've watched them in
Speaker 3: person do this whistling sound, I know what they are.
Speaker 3: But like if if you have not seen them do
Speaker 3: this before, if you don't already know that that's what
Speaker 3: they say. It sounds like like a train whistle or something,
Speaker 3: and nobody knows what. Like everybody's always like, what was that?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think it was a walrus train whistle sound.
Speaker 1: Well, they're essentially trains, the train of the sea exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, onto this week's mister annimill sound. The hint
Speaker 1: is this merry creature crankle times, folks.
Speaker 5: Ah ah ah ah ah huh.
Speaker 1: So you know one of those like little toys where
Speaker 1: you shake it and it goes pop pop pop pop.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a man, that's a grown man. It
Speaker 3: sounds like one of those dog toys, like the pig
Speaker 3: shaped dog toy that when you squeeze it it makes that.
Speaker 1: Kind of like yeah, exactly, wock bong sook uh gosh.
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds like some kind of duck, like
Speaker 3: some sort of weird like like a goose or a
Speaker 3: duck or something.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you step, like someone stepping repeatedly on a cube.
Speaker 3: I mean I have to meta game a little bit
Speaker 3: and use the clue to think that, Like, if it's
Speaker 3: a festively themed animal, my only thought would be like
Speaker 3: or something like that. So based on the sound, I
Speaker 3: would have to go with some kind of goose or
Speaker 3: a or a swan.
Speaker 1: Perhaps, Oh you were you were right with your first guess.
Speaker 1: Oh it is that we'll bleep it out with like
Speaker 1: I don't know, a festive quack, but but with the
Speaker 1: festive goose. Maybe it's maybe it's the Maybe it's the
Speaker 1: goose that Scrooge asked that boy to you and he's like, boy,
Speaker 1: what day is it?
Speaker 2: Why it's Christmas?
Speaker 3: Suck?
Speaker 1: And it's like, get a giant goose that makes this.
Speaker 2: Sound I know, just the buttons uck. Well, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining me today. Where can people find you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on Just the Zoo of Us, which is
Speaker 3: a podcast on the Maximum Fun Network. It is also
Speaker 3: family friendly, so if you listen uh with young folks
Speaker 3: in the car, this would be a great one for that.
Speaker 3: I also have another podcast called Spellbound and Gag that's
Speaker 3: about weird and spooky and gross stuff in science and history.
Speaker 3: That one is not family friendly, so please uh grown
Speaker 3: ups only for that one. Family, Yeah, leave your family
Speaker 3: and come listen to my podcast. And I believe Katie's
Speaker 3: been on both of those pots. I have a rate
Speaker 3: entry point either way. Yeah, so that's just the zoo
Speaker 3: us dot com. If you want to learn more about
Speaker 3: the show, or just look up Spellbound and Gaged. I
Speaker 3: don't have a website for that one yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know Internet.
Speaker 1: You just say it, Say it to your say it
Speaker 1: to your computer, and they'll.
Speaker 2: Take you there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The the the AI programs that are listening to
Speaker 3: us all. Actually, if you just say it out loud
Speaker 3: or probably just even me talking about this right now,
Speaker 3: you can get a sponsored ad for it. I don't
Speaker 3: sponsor any ads. So if you get a sponsored ad,
Speaker 3: that would be really weird because I'm not the one
Speaker 3: paying for it.
Speaker 2: Well, but it's the AI is making money. Yeah on
Speaker 2: you cloned you.
Speaker 1: Well. Happy holidays you guys, Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 1: I probably will need to uh take uh the holidays off,
Speaker 1: might do feel little.
Speaker 2: Uh crangled times rerun. Uh we will see. I am.
Speaker 1: I am currently uh sharing my uh nutritive and bodily
Speaker 1: functions with another rapidly growing individual, and so that does
Speaker 1: sometimes interfere with my release schedule.
Speaker 3: Bro I'm just stating right now, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just stating, I'm brooding, and I'm just stating, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's an interesting process, and I
Speaker 1: am I am. I'm sort of somewhat at the mercy
Speaker 1: of the whims of this uh new homunculus.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 1: But if I don't, if I don't uh uh see uh,
Speaker 1: which I do right.
Speaker 2: Now, I can see all of you. It's wild. It's
Speaker 2: a wild experience.
Speaker 3: She sees you when she's when you're sleeping.
Speaker 2: And I know when you're awake.
Speaker 1: Uh, I know, I do like both bad are good
Speaker 1: and my I have sort of a rubric very complicated
Speaker 1: moral framework for determining badness and goodness.
Speaker 3: It's a and it is a binary.
Speaker 1: Actually it is like you think that like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a mathematical formula, and I can determine within two
Speaker 1: decimal points like how like that you are just irredeemably
Speaker 1: bad or you know, solidly good, and you'll either get
Speaker 1: worms or.
Speaker 2: Slightly better worms mealworms.
Speaker 1: Right, meal worms or you know intestinal parasites.
Speaker 2: Uh, all right.
Speaker 3: Guys, naughty children get the intestinal paraces, not.
Speaker 2: Cause children get round worms and mems.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, enjoying the holidays, Thanks for listening. Uh
Speaker 1: Happy creature kringled times to you stay warm out there
Speaker 1: or cool?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't. I can't tell you what
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: Regulate at your pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thermal regulate to the ideal temperature, find homeostasis. And thanks
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Speaker 1: I'm not your mother, you know I would know I
Speaker 1: think I would know, so I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: What to do, but I can't tell you that.
Speaker 1: Hey, if you're uh, if you're gonna be old baby,
Speaker 1: make sure that your mother does rip up your carrion
Speaker 1: into edible shreds, because you know.
Speaker 2: No choking.
Speaker 1: You don't want to choke on carrion. Always good to
Speaker 1: take small bites of carrion.
Speaker 3: Enjoy your regurgitation.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your regurgitation or your egg or your gurgetated eggnog.
Speaker 1: Whatever is working out for you. Yes, see you next Wednesday. Guys,
Speaker 1: Happy holidays.
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me. Also, Katie, good to talk
Speaker 3: to you again.
Speaker 2: Yeah you too. Bye