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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of High Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today we're talking about chill babies.

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk about how animal parents keep

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Speaker 1: their babies warm and safe and fed in pretty cold

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Speaker 1: environments because it's cringle times, it's winter times. How them

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Speaker 1: animals keeping those little, tiny, cute, defenseless and sometimes delicious

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Speaker 1: babies from dying in the cold. This is the theme

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Speaker 1: of this episode. You know, it's like, how did Bob

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Speaker 1: cratch It keep Tidy Tim alive by obviously chewing his

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Speaker 1: food and regurgitating it into his little mouth and script there.

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Speaker 2: I think no Scrooge learned to do it.

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Speaker 1: By the end of it he had the ghost of Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Uh food regurgitation and uh yeah. So that voice you

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Speaker 1: hear we have joining us today is host of the

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Speaker 1: podcasts Just the two of Us, Ellen Weatherford, Welcome, Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm back, baby back. You were rid of me.

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Speaker 3: You thought you'd heard the last of me? Right?

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Speaker 1: I The last I saw you were you were tumbling

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Speaker 1: off of a cliff into the mists.

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Speaker 2: So I thought that you know at long.

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Speaker 3: Last, never trust an off screen debt that'll learn you.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, today we're talking about we're talking about animal

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Speaker 1: parents of babies born in the cold seasons. And if

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Speaker 1: you can believe it, folks, there's actually a reason that

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Speaker 1: I picked this topic. You might have noticed this. I

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Speaker 1: want to say, seven months I have been perhaps less

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Speaker 1: good at updating the feed with fresh new podcasts and

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Speaker 1: been doing more listener questions. Episodes you had a little

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Speaker 1: more rerun sneaking those in a little more. Well, there

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Speaker 1: is a reason for that, folks, a biological reason.

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Speaker 2: I am having a kid.

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Speaker 1: In h yeah, in in February, so I you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I am I.

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Speaker 1: I It is very it's been very funny to talk

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Speaker 1: about animal offspring and then think about, you know, my

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Speaker 1: own experience this these past past months. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to let you guys know that that is happening.

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Speaker 4: Yay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you more details on programming notes and

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Speaker 1: all that later on. But yeah, I'm having a I

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Speaker 1: am now not just a host to parasites, but to

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Speaker 3: So that is it had to push the other parasites aside,

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Speaker 1: Some say some say that like it's being pregnant is

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Speaker 1: like having a weird parasite.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's like biologically speaking, it's not quite the same because

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Speaker 1: there is actually some uh there's a lot of consideration

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Speaker 1: actually the fetus makes to the mother because like there's

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Speaker 1: no there is definitely no advantage to the fetus hurting

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Speaker 1: the mother. It's very interesting because it is both a

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Speaker 1: combination of a competition between the fetus and the mother

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Speaker 1: and then also like a lot of like, uh negotiation because.

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Speaker 3: It's a hostage situation really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like it's it's a it's something where

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Speaker 1: you know, both parties are interested in the mutual survival

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Speaker 1: on both sort of the genetic level and you know,

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Speaker 1: like on the metal level of like I'm I want

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Speaker 2: Wants to be having exactly wants to be having.

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Speaker 3: And also that there's like an exchange also that like

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Speaker 3: in some cases, the like the fetus can actually contribute

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Speaker 3: stem cells back to the parents' bodies and like in

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Speaker 3: some ways it can like help your immune system. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not like super well versed in that. That's just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's I should probably do a whole episode

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Speaker 1: on this on like amniotic uh you know, the whole

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Speaker 1: You don't want to like have the mother's immune system

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot of there's there's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Like weird jostling for position when you look at like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you do still see that.

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Speaker 3: I think my my husband's mom soe. When my mother

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Speaker 1: And that usually happens when there's a difference between blood

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Speaker 1: especially if there's like blood crossover for blood crossover event.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, And so I got a shot in my butt

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Speaker 1: of immunoprophylaxis, which is a way to prevent you from

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Speaker 1: developing these antibodies. And then it's it's less to protect

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Speaker 1: the current pregnancy, but if you ever it, it does certainly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So today we're talking about we're talking about

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to start out with a classic cold

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Speaker 1: perfect forever. They look like kittie cats with wings.

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Speaker 2: They're very cute. Their feet look like paws.

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Speaker 3: You must call them cute. Yeah, I think they make

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And they live in the Arctic.

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Speaker 1: They they hunt small animals like lemmings, uh, little rodents,

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Speaker 1: And they're good parents, so both the male and the

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Speaker 2: And you love egalitarianism, yeah, but you can.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because they have they do have a separation

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Speaker 1: There's also a difference in their coloration. So males are

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Speaker 1: And then if you see one that's just like covered

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Speaker 1: No, it's not cookies and cream. It's like it's just

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Speaker 3: As someone who's a big fan of magic shell.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so you know, you know in those Wizard movies,

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be it's supposed to be a girl owl,

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Speaker 1: Guess they liked the asthetex of them maale owls better

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Speaker 1: the female owls look a little cooler to me because that,

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Speaker 1: like bart the pattern of like again, they look like

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Speaker 2: Movies not not so biology? Now are you general?

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Speaker 3: And sounds like somebody understands gender presentation?

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, oh, gender dimorphism. You really think you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can always tell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and actually you can't. You can't with owls.

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Speaker 1: Like once in a while you'll get a get a

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Speaker 1: male owl who has more of those little sprinkles and

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Speaker 1: even even these owls are like it's not always they

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Speaker 1: don't always exactly so, but they do take care of

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Speaker 1: And she will stay on the ground like they nest

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Speaker 2: White, because it's just gonna be pure white snow.

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Speaker 1: The the only co the only negative consequence of this is,

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, the older one has already kind of made

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Speaker 3: You can always make more.

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Speaker 1: But you know, despite this kind of grim calculation, they

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Speaker 3: Thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get so many emails if I don't do

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Speaker 2: They can be more independent.

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Speaker 3: This is cat software on bird hardware exactly. I did

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Speaker 3: it's not what I wanted them to look like. I

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Speaker 3: They're still fluffy like, they still have the fluff like.

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Speaker 3: They're still very like down they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, I will say front from dead on, Like front

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Speaker 3: so they really kind of did them dirty on this one.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best. I think this is the

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Speaker 1: There they go from being white when they're hatchlings to

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Speaker 3: It is kind of like a like a soot sprite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they're they're a little haunted looking because they

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Speaker 3: It's very goblin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very goblinoid. But yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Can see some very cute pictures of like this beautiful

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Speaker 3: It's very cute, very serene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she looks very peaceful and siren. Then

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Speaker 3: I can don't talk to me or my son ever

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Speaker 2: I sent you the picture of it.

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Speaker 1: But she's just like, you know, like she's looking she's

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Speaker 3: Oh, she looks so proud of her awful child. She's

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Speaker 3: like it might not be perfect, but it's the one

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Speaker 2: Love you about it. This is my beautiful child.

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Speaker 3: I think every baby snowy owl has an internal dialogue

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Speaker 1: Well, that is the parenting style of the snowy el Ellen,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna pivot a little bit from my original game

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Speaker 3: plan because I think we would be remiss if we

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Speaker 3: it's even like a go to like extreme parenting sort

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Speaker 3: the bird family, but go to the opposite pole, so

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Speaker 3: let's do it, because I feel like you can't talk

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's people out there who don't know.

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Speaker 2: There is Pesto. He's a king penguin.

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Speaker 1: I think, oh, the giant.

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Speaker 3: Little baby pasto. Yeah, and then it was kind of

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Speaker 1: An enormous baby, an enormous baby penguin, a king penguin,

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Speaker 1: which is the second largest penguin. The emperor penguin is

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Speaker 1: just is this hulking, brown, slouching bird next to.

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Speaker 2: The He's like elchebaca of a penguin exactly.

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Speaker 1: But let's tell tell me about emperor penguins and in

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Speaker 3: like categories of animals. I guess where the dads are

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00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: the ones doing a lot of the childcare. Like, I

443
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 3: feel like we've heard about this with EMUs and stuff.

444
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: So emperor penguins, you know, are aquatic birds. They spend

445
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 3: most of their time in the water, but they actually

446
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: breed on the ice during the winter, which sounds like

447
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: that's not when you want to be doing things. It's

448
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: a pretty harsh time of year. But the reason they

449
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: do that is because during the winter, the ice is

450
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: the thickest, so the biggest, the strongest layer of ice

451
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: beneath them, so that the ice is strong enough to

452
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: support the weight of the entire colony of penguins. That's

453
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: a lot of penguin, and penguins are very heavy, you know,

454
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: they don't have to fly, so they don't have those

455
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: like hollow bones, so they're very dense and heavy. So

456
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: they have to stand on the ice during the harshest

457
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: part of the year, during the time when you do

458
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: not want to be on the ice, but they're doing anyway.

459
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: They're toughing it out up.

460
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: There, so gut, I've seen them.

461
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all they're chunked up, you know, they're ready

462
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: for it. So in order to so, first of all,

463
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: the males are staying behind on the ice while the

464
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: females go off to the ocean to feed. So the

465
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: females actually lay lay their eggs on the ice and

466
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: leave them behind with the dads and the females leave.

467
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: So the dads stay behind with the eggs and they

468
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: have a little like pouch underneath their tummy so that

469
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: they can pull the egg up onto their feet. So

470
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: they're they're keeping the egg in place on their feet.

471
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: They have like a fold of skin that goes over

472
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: their belly. I mean, I'm trying not to call it

473
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: a pupa, but I mean I'm built in Yeah. Uh So,

474
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: they you know, fold it over the egg to keep

475
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 3: the eggnce and incubated and warm. And the males all

476
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 3: huddle together so they get just all i mean, like

477
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 3: touching each other. It is a claustrophobic nightmare.

478
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: These are confident men who are secure in their masculinity.

479
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: They're so cool, they're growing out. This is this is

480
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: homie time.

481
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: This is what you just gotta keep your egg and

482
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: your fupo with your homies.

483
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 3: They're they're they're literally chilling with the homies, with the bros.

484
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: Uh So, they spend the entire winter huddled together on

485
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: the open ice in these crowds of like thousands and

486
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: thousands of penguins. So if you've seen March of the Penguins,

487
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: or if you've seen Happy Feet, it is I feel

488
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: like happy Feet did a really good job. Did you

489
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: see happy Feet?

490
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel.

491
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: Like happy Feet did a fantastic job of depicting this. Like, yeah,

492
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: I've rewatched that movie recently. That movie was way more

493
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: sexually charged that I remembered it being as a kid.

494
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the female penguins that are like

495
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: shapely somehow.

496
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like an hour glass figure.

497
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, bird, Yeah you don't have memories, so.

498
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: That we're not.

499
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: This does not Yes, yeah, it's weird, weirdly horned up movie.

500
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: But so the you know, the just like in Happy Feet,

501
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: the males stay behind and warm the eggs during the winter,

502
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: and they do this thing while the colony is huddled

503
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 3: where the individuals would kind of rotate into and out

504
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: of the center. So they make like a sort of

505
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: like hurricane of penguins, so that every penguin kind of

506
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: takes turns being on the outside and being like against

507
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: the harsher winds. You know. Yeah, it's penguin na though.

508
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: So the penguins that are like on the sides facing

509
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: the wind, they like shuffle around the outside of the

510
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: colony and like around to the opposite side, and the

511
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: rest behind them follow in a single file line. So

512
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: it makes this sort of like circular spiral shaped procession

513
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: that just kind of ensures that like no penguin is

514
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: ever on the outside the whole time, and they kind

515
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: of like even do that in Happy Feet, like they

516
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: talk about like taking turns and like you know, making

517
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: sure that everyone gets a turn on the inside. So

518
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: it's really really interesting. And like watching video of them

519
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: doing this from above is really cool because you can

520
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: see how they kind of like I think, like the

521
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: way that crowds, not just a penguins, but like of

522
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: people too, like begin to like follow fluid dynamics is

523
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: really interesting. Yeah, it's really really cool to watch.

524
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's probably like a I mean, it's probably

525
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: sort of an unconscious thing where it's like just this

526
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: sort of constant shuffle that uh you know, like, oh

527
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: it's a little warm over here, I'd like to shuffle

528
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: towards that.

529
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that it's but they're not like.

530
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: Fu I do have to at some point have to

531
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: get back to the outside.

532
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: Right exactly, So it's not like they are fighting the

533
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: others to like, wait a.

534
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: Minute, it's really warm here, I want to stay.

535
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting how sort of like understand like

536
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: they all kind of like seem to have this sort

537
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: of like unspoken under I mean it's unspoken. The're penguins

538
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: seem to Yeah, they're not like fighting each other. They're

539
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: not trying to push each other out of the way.

540
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: It's not like a violent thing. It's just that everyone

541
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: kind of is like, Okay, I know I'm gonna have

542
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: to have my turn on the outside, but that means

543
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: like when I get back around, I'll have a turn

544
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: on the inside. And the males are there for months,

545
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: for months on end, they are huddled together to incubate

546
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: the eggs, and they they cannot eat anything during this time.

547
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: They are just straight like toughen it out, hunkering down

548
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: because the egg wouldn't survive without the warmth. This is winter,

549
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: so it's like at its coldest, it's at its windiest.

550
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: It's really really harsh. They cannot let go of the

551
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: egg this entire time. They have to stay there. They

552
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: can't eat, they can't do anything. So then when the

553
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: mothers come back from hunting in the ocean, the mother

554
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: and the father then trade off, so she'll take the

555
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 3: egg and then the father can leave. He can go

556
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: feed in the ocean, and then he will come back,

557
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: and after that point they'll take turns, so it's a

558
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: little more egalitarian after the winter. But the father staying

559
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: behind with the egg gives the mother the chance to

560
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: go bulk up and you know, bring back some food

561
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: to regurgitate. And I was reading about how it's so

562
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: dedicated are penguin fathers, that there are many cases and

563
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 3: I could only find examples of king penguins doing this,

564
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: so I can't like confirm that this happens in emperor

565
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: penguins too, but they're like pretty closely related, so I

566
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: don't think it would be you know, unexpected if in

567
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: penguins do it too. Yeah, they're like the same thing.

568
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: They're a little butlers.

569
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so dedicated, so locked in our penguin fathers

570
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: that in a lot of cases, male penguins would form

571
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: couples and adopt abandoned eggs. So like if there is

572
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: an egg that has been lost, or like a chick

573
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: that like maybe their mom didn't come back or something like,

574
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: male penguins just like there their drive to like take

575
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: care of eggs and chicks is so strong that they

576
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: will like pair up with unpaired males and and adopt

577
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: a chick or an egg. And this has happened that

578
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: zoo's like all over the world. Probably the most famous

579
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: penguin couple is Roy and Silo, who were actually chin

580
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: strap penguins, so they were not king or emperor penguins,

581
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: but they were chin strap penguins who adopted at the

582
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: Odensa's Zoo in Denmark, who adopted a baby chick. Roy

583
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 3: and Silo. They nested together as a couple for six years,

584
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: so even though they didn't have any eggs or chicks,

585
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: they were nesting together and then eventually they were I

586
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: guess they were given a like a chick to raise together. Yeah.

587
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: The chick was named Tango, and they inspired a children's book,

588
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: uh An Tango Makes Three, which was very a very

589
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: popular children's book a few years ago. But this has happened, Like,

590
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: that's not the only gay penguin couple. They have happened.

591
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: This happens a bunch.

592
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's not like.

593
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Just one.

594
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: There's only two gay penguins.

595
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: Somehow there's penguin Yeah, exactly. It happens all the time.

596
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: I was I want to say, I read an article

597
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: about a penguin that had made it with a like

598
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: a cardboard cutout of an anime girl.

599
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds vaguely familiar to me too, for some reason.

600
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: Was it hot Sune meku? Okay?

601
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, that there's a penguin that was

602
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: it a penguin or an albatross?

603
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Okay? So it's His name is grape Kun, a humble

604
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: penguin at the Tobu Zoo in Japan.

605
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: And he.

606
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Was in a romantic relate, a very intense romantic relationship

607
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: with a cutout of an anthropomorphic Humboldt penguin character from

608
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: the anime series Kimono Friends. So I guess there's like

609
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: a a penguin based character in this anime and they

610
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: made a cutout of the anime girl and put it

611
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: in his enclosure, and he fell in love with it.

612
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean wouldn't though, really, Like, I mean, listen, look,

613
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: they just like us. They should have gotten nim a

614
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: body pillow.

615
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: The pictures are really cute of him and his cardboard

616
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: cutout together. They're adorable. So it is it is funny

617
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: to me that, like, you know, penguins just have this

618
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: like very strong drive to like couple up and raise

619
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: a chick. Yeah, and what hold on? I had one

620
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: more thing? Also, Oh yeah, there's also I feel like

621
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: I see all over the internet this sort of factoid

622
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: floating around that like penguins mate for life. There's this

623
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: idea that like penguins like for you know, monogamous couples

624
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: for life, which mating for life I think is a

625
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: lot more rare in nature than people think it is.

626
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: It's very rare like that.

627
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: There's sometimes like when we talk about monogamy, sometimes it

628
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: just means for like a few seasons, right, but I

629
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: mean it's it happens, but yes.

630
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: It does. Albatrosses will mate for life, Swans will mate

631
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: for life. Like there's some some you know, larger birds

632
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: that will actually mate for life as and they only

633
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: mate with the same Sandhill cranes will actually mate for

634
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: life to the point that if one of their partners die,

635
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: they might be done, Like they might not find a

636
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: new partner after their partner dies. Not all the time,

637
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: but like I think that's what people think of when

638
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: they think of like mating for life, which is extremely

639
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: rare in nature. So penguins don't. They will mate monogamously,

640
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: but like for the season, so like they'll have one

641
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: partner that they stay with for the season, and then

642
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: if they successfully have a chick and raise that chick.

643
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: They're more likely to return to that partner in the

644
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: next season, but it's not like they'll stay with one

645
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: because they're yeah, because they're like, you know what, we

646
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: did this last year and it worked out fine, so

647
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: let's just try it again. Why bother going to Yeah,

648
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: why bother trying to find a new person when I

649
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: know it worked out better with you. I worked out

650
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: it worked out fine with you last year. So they

651
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: will kind of like return to the same partner in

652
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: consecutive breeding seasons. But it's not a for life thing

653
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: that I think people like like to romanticize, especially penguins, Right,

654
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: they're adorable, they're cute. People want to see themselves reflected,

655
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: So I think people will will latch onto this idea

656
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: that penguins mate for life, which is a cute idea

657
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: but not really.

658
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

659
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: And it's like there could be some cases in which

660
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: you have a penguin essentially mating for life, but it's

661
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: not it is it's not like a hard and fast rule,

662
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: And penguins don't have like a sense of morality in

663
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: that dimension, right, It's.

664
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Like, right, like it doesn't mean anything to them, Like, yeah, I.

665
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Mean they might I think it's it's one could imagine

666
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: that they grow fond of one another, but like again,

667
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: like it's a you know, if you're like you got

668
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you you have a situation where like you're waiting with

669
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: this egg and your partner's going off to get fish.

670
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: If they never come back, you gotta like you know,

671
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: be open to like finding something else, right, Like, So

672
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: it's not like I mean they're really dependable and everything

673
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: works out like yeah, maybe, but otherwise, you know, might not.

674
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: I know, with like albatrosses, which have a similar like

675
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: one parent stays home while the other one is gone

676
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: for a long period of time, they have to kind

677
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: of like over the because they do mate like together

678
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: over consecutive breeding seasons, they will like get to know

679
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: each other to the point where like one albatross will

680
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: kind of learn how long the other one is usually gone,

681
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: and like they they learn how to like adjust and

682
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: they might be like, Okay, well last year my mate

683
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: was gone for like two weeks, so I know that

684
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: I can be gone for two weeks. So like they'll

685
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: kind of like adjust their timing based on how like

686
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: they know the other one. But I think with penguins,

687
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: they it's not as likely that they're going to be

688
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: with the same one for like that long. Yeah, and

689
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: they'll just be like, you took too long last time,

690
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: I'm not coming back to you.

691
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

692
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Also, all but trusses have to constantly sort of like

693
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: reaffirm their relationships, so like when they like come back,

694
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: they'll do these like wild sort of like greetings and

695
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: like chest rubbies and vocalization.

696
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: Because it's like.

697
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: They have to do that to kind of sort of

698
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: like reconnect and strengthen that bond. Otherwise, like you know,

699
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily going to be you know, yeah, I

700
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: mean it's just like people, right, Like you got to

701
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: keep the love alive by like sort.

702
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: Of like screaming at each each other while you're your chest.

703
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: Another thing that I feel like happy Feet got really

704
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: right also is that the penguins do like identify each

705
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: other by their voice, right, because you imagine like when

706
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: all these penguins are coming back to the colony, they

707
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: have to pick out which male and baby is theirs,

708
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: and they are actually really good at like figuring out

709
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: which voice belongs to theirs, which I do feel like

710
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: is is a very relatable thing because when I am

711
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: at like you know, say I'm at chuck E Cheese

712
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: or something like that, and there's like a million squealing,

713
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: screaming children. I can tell which one is my screaming child.

714
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: Like if I hear a scream that, I'm like, that

715
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: one's mine. Or if you're out and about somewhere you

716
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 3: hear like a child scream, if it doesn't sound like

717
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: your child, you're like, okay, I don't need a panic

718
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: about that. That one's not mine. That's that's all I

719
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: had on Emperor penguins. I just I felt like we

720
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: would be remiss if we didn't talk about probably like

721
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: the champion of cold weather parenting, the Emperor pan.

722
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely these these these uh pills.

723
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I don't know.

724
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: It didn't It didn't sound good when I said it.

725
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: So that was I feel like I could hear the

726
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: regret as it was leading.

727
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, these penguin daddies also bad.

728
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: None of this. Let's move on.

729
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: Let's move on to h Walris walrus moms. Uh So

730
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: you know Walruses, you love them. They you you put

731
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: maybe like a couple of carrots in your mouth and

732
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: you're you're like, hey, look at me, I'm a walrus.

733
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: It's highly offensive to Walruses don't do that, so I like.

734
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 3: It's French fries. I'm sorry the American Washier analogy.

735
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: But.

736
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: We have French fries here.

737
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: So they're these massive blubbery giants found in the Arctic

738
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: with their impressive tusks. They're pinnipeds, meaning their members of

739
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: the seal clade. Both males and females have tusks, though

740
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: the males grow theirs out a bit longer and thicker

741
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: for sexual competition, so they can fight each other and

742
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: be like, I'm I'm the big I'm the big walrus

743
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: on the block. They have relatively long live spans and

744
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: are slow to mature. They can reach sexual maturity at

745
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: around seven years. The males often only start mating around

746
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Usually this is not because they're not sexually mature,

747
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: but because they need to accumulate mass and respect in

748
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: order in order to mate with females, and they live

749
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: to be about thirty years old in the wild. So interestingly,

750
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: so when walrus gets pregnant, she's able to freeze the

751
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: development of an embryo between mating and gestation order for

752
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: there to be the optimal timing for when the offspring

753
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: is born in ideal conditions with enough resources around. The

754
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: pregnancy itself is like not enviable. They are pregnant for

755
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: up to sixteen months.

756
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm good.

757
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, crazy, Actually that's more than a year. That's

758
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: like almost a year and a half of being pregnant.

759
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild. I mean elephants go even longer.

760
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the general the general thing is like

761
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: the bigger, the bigger the baby, the longer it takes

762
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: us longer takes to cook.

763
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: Yep.

764
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: And so she will give birth alone on an ice

765
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: floe away from the herd, which seems a little counterintuitive,

766
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: but apparently like by doing this, when she she's sort

767
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: of like out on the flow ice, she's avoiding predators

768
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: that might come and like be like, hey, there's a

769
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: big group of walruses. I know there's got to be

770
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: babies there. I'm going to try to go get some.

771
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: So she's kind of like on a on a boat,

772
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: an ice boat alone, and then she's yeah, and when

773
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: she fasts for a few days while nursing the newborn

774
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: pup before returning to the herd, Yeah, just really not

775
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: an ideal situation. I would not want to be a

776
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: pregnant Walrus.

777
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: No, everything sounds bad.

778
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's pretty bad. So yeah.

779
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: And then also, newborns are absolutely enormous. They're already around

780
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds when they're born, which is

781
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: around up to six up to seventy five kilograms. They

782
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: can whim. As newborns, they will rapidly start gaining weight

783
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: from very fatty, very protein rich milk from their mother's

784
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: and she's gonna be nursing him for anywhere from one

785
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: to two years. Uh yeah, so uh yeah, I just

786
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: did a Google search for baby walrus.

787
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good Google. It's a good blood.

788
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: They're very they're very they're uh the little faces are

789
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: very wrinkly.

790
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very wrinkly. Like it's like they they they

791
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: got it's like they got born with like the amount

792
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: of skin that they're gonna need later, but like they

793
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: haven't filled it out yet, so they're just like they

794
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: look like a basset hound.

795
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: I mean kind of like they do.

796
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: They do gotta grow uh, pretty pretty fast.

797
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: So they looks like their skins too big for their body.

798
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: They got it in the wrong size.

799
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: And they've already got that characteristic bristly mustache. So they're

800
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: born looking like little old baldmin.

801
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: Like being born with a mustache is a power move,

802
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: that's really is.

803
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, they they're born struggling and wrinkly and

804
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: needing a ton of milk. Uh, and the mother will

805
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: provide and she'll not only nurse them for up to

806
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: two years.

807
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: They do look like a little baby grandpa.

808
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah here, baby Grandpa, have some money, grandpa. Yeah. But yeah,

809
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: they they'll they'll like stick around their mothers for around

810
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: five years. So, like, it's pretty unusual in the wild

811
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: for a parent to take care of offspring this long. Like,

812
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: there are obviously exceptions where one of them. The amount

813
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: of time we take care of our offspring is quite uh,

814
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, quite impressive. Elephants are another one. Like, they

815
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: will take care of them for quite a long time,

816
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: and the females will actually just like stay and continue

817
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: to be, you know, in the group with their mothers

818
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: and grandmothers and aunts and sisters, et cetera, whereas male

819
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: elephants are given the boot like get out. But yeah,

820
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: so they really invest a lot in these giant, very

821
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: hungry babies, and I do not envy them like, there

822
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: are some there are some mothers that I envy in nature,

823
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: like kangaroos. I feel like because like I'm not someone

824
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: who's like I want to be a snake, lay an

825
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: egg and forget about it.

826
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I like babies.

827
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: But the kangaroos like kind of got a nice situation

828
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: going where she gives birth to like a little tiny

829
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: jelly bean that crawls into her pouch and then then

830
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: she just keeps them there in her pouch.

831
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

832
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's like, you finish this on your own time exactly.

833
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: That sounds like a good compromise to me.

834
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: You still get to like carry them with you and

835
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: like experience, you know, the cute holding onto the cute joey.

836
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: But like you're like, but that's your business, right, it

837
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be I don't have to be involved

838
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: in the rest of it.

839
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't have to get like this enormous head somehow

840
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: outside of my pelvis that was uh that has evolved

841
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: for me to walk up, right, not for a baby

842
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: to get through.

843
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: You think that with kangaroos, like the bouncing could help it, Like,

844
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: because because I know that a lot of times in

845
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: labor they tell you to kind of like bounce on

846
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: a yoga ball or something, because like the grabby could help, like.

847
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: Doesn't help the kings room probably doesn't need to. It's

848
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: just so so tiny like that. It's it's like a bean.

849
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: I don't I think it's all pretty. I don't even

850
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: know she knows what's going on.

851
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,479
Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, it's one of those like I didn't

852
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: know I was pregnant. Yeah, but it's like I didn't

853
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: know I had a baby.

854
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

855
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: She can also freeze her the development of the embryo

856
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: if things are not ideal circumstances and then start that

857
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: back up. You know what once she senses like basically

858
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: it's like gonna be hormonal cues probably from her diet

859
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: and temperature stress, et cetera, that tells her body like, actually,

860
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: yeah we can, we can stop this embryo, you know,

861
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: without having to redo the whole process.

862
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: You know, in humans we do this.

863
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: But that's like a lot of early miscarriage is basically

864
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: the body is sensing that something's not ideal, and most

865
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: of the time it's some kind of genetic issue with

866
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: the with the embryo.

867
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with like the mother's.

868
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: Behavior at all, but yeah, like these kinds of things

869
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: where like there's like these weird calculations happening in utero

870
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, do do we proceed with baby? Do

871
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: we put the baby on pause, or.

872
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: Like you know, eject the embryo?

873
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: Like these are these are things that are just happening

874
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: biologically as humans, Like it can be really difficult for

875
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: us because we get emotionally invested in it, but it

876
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: is a very common kind of thing that just happens

877
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: these animals. So it's like, yeah, actually, both, like I said,

878
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: both the both the walrus and the kangaroo can sort

879
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: of pause the development of embryo.

880
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: Which seems like a good idea, Like I'm gonna hold onto.

881
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: This for later, right, save it for later, put it

882
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: in the fridge. Right, Do you have any more animal

883
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: parents for us?

884
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: Ellen?

885
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: I do. And I actually this was a really good

886
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: tie in because I want people to keep in mind

887
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: the things we just talked about with both the walrus

888
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: and the kangaroo, because I want talk about brown bears.

889
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 3: Brown bears, they are the big ones, the big, chunky,

890
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: well not as big as polar bears. Polar bears are

891
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: bigger than brown bears. But brown bears, especially grizzly bears,

892
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: which are kind of specific to areas in I believe, Alaska,

893
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: in Canada where you'll see grizzly bears. Grizzly bears are

894
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: like a subset of brown bears. But brown bears are

895
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 3: the very large bears that you'll see up in particularly

896
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: the northern parts of the United States in Canada. We

897
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: have them here where I live in Washington, not like

898
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: here here, but in Washington there are populations of brown

899
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: bears in like the Cascade Mountains. There's brown bears I

900
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: believe that have been reintroduced to California, though they were

901
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: once much more populous in like on the West Coast,

902
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: there used to be way more brown bears. Now they've

903
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: been largely extirpated. Oh, Yosemite, I know, like Yellowstone and Yosemite.

904
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: You'll see wild brown bears out in areas like that.

905
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: So these are the big ones. If anyone tuned into

906
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: Fat Bear Week in the fall, if you if you're

907
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: a Fat Bear Week fan, you know that brown bears

908
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: spend the late summer and early fall chunking up to

909
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: go into hibernation. So Fat Bear Week is specific to

910
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: cat my National Park, which is in Alaska where the

911
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 3: grizzly bears up there. They will like take pictures of

912
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: the same bear at like the spring when they emerge

913
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: from hibernation, when they're all so much yeah, they're so

914
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: like lanky and skinny because they just like starved for

915
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: like six months, and then they take a picture of

916
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: them at the very end of the of the summer

917
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: when they're about to go back into hibernation, so you

918
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 3: can see the dramatic transformation between like they get they

919
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 3: come out all skinny, almost looking like a coyote, you know,

920
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: like they come out all yeah, they're all lanky and

921
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 3: skinny and stuff. And then when they're by the end

922
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: of the like the summer in the early fall, by

923
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: like September ish, they are round, spherical, assume, a perfect

924
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: sphere of a bing.

925
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand how their legs are supporting this bulk.

926
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are really really hefty. And I think also

927
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't know is that when

928
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: when when bears go into hibernation, they're not it's not

929
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: really like a full hibernation in the sense that the

930
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: bear is like a sleep that whole time. It's it's

931
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: more of a state called torpor where their metabolism slows

932
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: really really slows down, like really really far. They you know,

933
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: their heart's not beating very fast. Their heart is usually

934
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: beating like less than ten times per minute. They are

935
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: conserving er. They're in power saving mode basically like basically

936
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: very basic body functions, only they can they can move

937
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: around a little bit, but not that much, but they

938
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: can like get up and go to the bathroom. They

939
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: can do basic body functions, including giving birth. So the

940
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: mother bears will give birth in their den during this

941
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: period of hibernation, which kind of sounds counterintuitive because most mammals,

942
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: especially give birth in the spring when that's when things

943
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: are starting. You know, you're getting more food opportunities, things

944
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: are coming out of hibernation, like spring, makes the most

945
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: sense to have a baby. But bears are usually brown.

946
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: Bears are usually giving birth in their dens during like

947
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: January and February, which seems like the worst time to

948
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: be doing that for me.

949
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm happy about it because I'm probably it's gonna be

950
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: January or February for me because I'm I'm definitely more

951
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: of a cold weather bear than.

952
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 3: You can get bundled up. Yeah, you could like, yeah, as

953
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: someone who was pregnant in the summer, No that sucks.

954
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm not do not do not envy that

955
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: at all.

956
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be eating a ton of salmon, putting

957
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: a ton of salmon straight from the river and getting

958
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: real bulky and then like form a fecal plug or something.

959
00:53:58,880 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

960
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: So the and also like nursing a baby is metabolically expensive.

961
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: You're spending a lot of your fats and proteins on

962
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: making milk for the baby. So you know, babies usually

963
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: are kind of born later in the spring, but brown

964
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: bears are giving birth in the dead of winter. And okay,

965
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: so what you talked about for the walrus, right, typically,

966
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: like the bigger the animal and the bigger the baby,

967
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 3: the longer you're gonna be pregnant with it, the longer

968
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to spend feeding it and stuff. So,

969
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: and brown bears are huge. They are up to you know,

970
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 3: four or five six hundred pounds, massive, massive bears, and

971
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 3: you would expect them to have very very large offspring too,

972
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 3: But the cubs are only like a pound when they're born.

973
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: And brown bears they're so good little beans and.

974
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: The nub and they're just like kind of like little nubbuns,

975
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: like they don't they're so nothing.

976
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just little little teeny popcorn chicken guys. And

977
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: and the bear is only pregnant with them for like

978
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: kind of close to a human gestational period. It's like

979
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: closer to that sort of thirty to forty week mark,

980
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: which is, you know, for a massive animal, that's pretty

981
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: unusual that they But what they're basically doing is they're

982
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: kind of taking the kangaroo path of instead of letting

983
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: the baby develop entirely inside of their body, they're giving

984
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: birth to the baby when it's not very well developed,

985
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: it's very very early in their development. But they're kind

986
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: of using the den as an external womb. So whereas

987
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: the kangaroo has a built in pouch that the baby

988
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: can can be safe and warm in while they continue

989
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: to develop, the bear is kind of using the den

990
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: as like an extension of its sort of womb. So

991
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: the den is keeping the baby protected and warm, and

992
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: I think kind of taking a lot of that, taking

993
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: a lot of the demands of pregnancy off of the

994
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: mother so that she can continue to use her fat

995
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: reserves to both feed her cubs and keep herself alive

996
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: because like keep in mind, she also has to go

997
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: with no food for like six months while also feeding cubs.

998
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: So I think that the using the den to kind

999
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 3: of like offload some of the demands of pregnancy and

1000
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, having a newborn cub.

1001
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: But like keeping it warm, keeping it there regulated it's

1002
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: not all your body temperature having to do this.

1003
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So she kind of uses the den to

1004
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 3: alleviate some of the strain of pregnancy so that she

1005
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 3: can you know, do it during that really harsh time

1006
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 3: of year. And then by the time they're ready to

1007
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 3: come out in the spring, which is only just like

1008
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: four or five months later, so you have to move,

1009
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: like you got to be ready, yea. And the cubs

1010
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: have grown about ten times their birth weight in about

1011
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: five months, so they usually will be up to like,

1012
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, ten to fifteen pounds when they're ready to

1013
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: leave the nest in there and they're like walking and

1014
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: ready to follow their mom. They can kind of keep

1015
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: up with her. So that was just like the.

1016
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: Most adorable the most adorable baby sort of walk. I

1017
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: feel like baby bears just the awkwardness of it.

1018
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: They have their like feet at a ninety degree angle

1019
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: and like they haven't quite learned how to bend their

1020
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 3: elbows correctly yet, so they're just you know what I

1021
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: think movie I think captured the baby bear walk so

1022
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: well was Brother Bear. Yeah, yeah, the Brother Bear gets

1023
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: baby baby Bear walk down really well.

1024
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: It's not like I feel like it's kind of not

1025
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: a super appreciated Disney movie because it's.

1026
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: Like it's a deeper cut.

1027
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like not it's not as much of a

1028
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: classic as the other one's.

1029
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: I liked it, but the.

1030
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 3: Very well animated the bear.

1031
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: Animation is insane. It was so good.

1032
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1033
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: Actually, the the guy did that I think was his,

1034
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: and he did a recent one called a snow Bear.

1035
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: I think you can find it on YouTube.

1036
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: Couldn't get an enough of those bears.

1037
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron Blaze, you're right, uh and uh yeah, he

1038
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: once again nails bear animation.

1039
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: It's nobody does bears like this.

1040
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Nobody does bears like this guy. It's like a short.

1041
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: It's like a eleven twelve minute short animated thing, so

1042
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: you can watch it over breakfast. But yeah, it's it's

1043
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: it's very good. It's a it's very cute. It's speaking

1044
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: of speaking of cold cold bears. This I think this

1045
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: is like these this is a polar bear that he's

1046
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: he's animating, and it's it's very very cute, very deeply

1047
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: touching animation. But again, like getting the getting the animation

1048
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: of the bear movement is uh, you know, I think

1049
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: they just like watched hours and hours and hours and

1050
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: hours and hours.

1051
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, bears moving for sure.

1052
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: Oh what a hard job that must be having to

1053
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: watch just adorable little bears toddling around. But like, I

1054
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: feel like how much they fast forward, Like growth is

1055
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: so impressive by the fact that, like, because I'm imagining,

1056
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: like if our babies grew by ten times their birth

1057
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: weight in the first like five or six months, Like

1058
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: can you imagine you know that?

1059
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: Mother, I'm going to law school.

1060
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: You know those like pinteresty little like photo shoots that

1061
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 3: people do with the little signs that'll be like four

1062
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: months old, five months old, it's like one of those,

1063
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: but the child is like fully like eighty pounds and sprinting.

1064
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: I require more calories, mother.

1065
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: I hunger. I had My first baby was ten pounds

1066
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: four ounces. Ooh, so I simply can't imagine.

1067
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, my, my, my, I don't know if this is something.

1068
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: I feel like I've talked about this before.

1069
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: My my husband is enormous in the sort of in

1070
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: his altitude, and I keep back as the guy to

1071
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: collogists like like how big is it now? Is it

1072
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: like normal size?

1073
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: Because I'm just like, well, they lied to me, because

1074
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: when I was pregnant with my first one, they kept

1075
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: telling me like, oh, yeah, like eight pounds, he'll be

1076
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: like normal size. And I'm like, I don't think you checked,

1077
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 3: like because I was but big babies run on my

1078
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: run on my side of the family. I was like

1079
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: a nine pound baby. Uh, there's been you know, ten

1080
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: plus pound babies for multiple generations in her family. And

1081
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 3: I asked, and I was I was nineteen when I

1082
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: was giving birth, and so I was like, can you

1083
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: guys please check? Can you let me know what I'm getting?

1084
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: And they didn't really like measure or anything. They would

1085
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: just kind of like feel my belly and they that

1086
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: seems like, yeah, very scientific, So you're like, yeah, it

1087
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: could be like eight ish pounds as fine. And then afterwards,

1088
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: when after giving birth and they actually checked and weighed him,

1089
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, he's ten pounds four ounces, and

1090
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: the doctor because because I was so young, you know,

1091
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: giving birth. The doctor was like, I'm sorry, if we

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: had known that was going to happen, we probably would

1093
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 3: have recommended a C section. That's actually crazy.

1094
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: And you asked many times.

1095
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I did specifically ask.

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01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got so like we got gens going in

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: both directions because like in my family, we've generally like smaller,

1098
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: normal sized babies and small, smallish heads, and then on

1099
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: bread side of the family, big babies with big heads.

1100
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, it averages out.

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01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 2: That's what I hope.

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly how jeans work. It's just that you add

1103
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: them up and you divide them by two and then you.

1104
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: Have it's to mean exactly exactly. Yeah, but like.

1105
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 3: What if what if huge baby tidy head?

1106
01:01:54,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: That would be interesting. I'll go to Tyler rinkis of

1107
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: a baby?

1108
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: This is very strange, littlemunculous.

1109
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: Look up, Look up, K Tyler Rincus, real.

1110
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: Quick, Tylo Rincus. Who what is this?

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: C O t y l O r h y n

1112
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: c h u s. Look up to K Tyler Recus

1113
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: real quick.

1114
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: It's like a dinosaur.

1115
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: It's I think it was a synapsid. I don't think

1116
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: it was a dinosaur. It was like one of those

1117
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: early like I shoot offs that later became Man, that's

1118
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: my boy, that's my beautiful son. You're gonna be the

1119
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 3: snowy owl smiling next year.

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: I will love my nub headed son with the giant,

1121
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: the giant reptilian body.

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01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: My barrel shaped, yeah, barrel and tetrapod.

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: Uh. I mean you may not like to hear this,

1124
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: but this is peak form. This is this is actually yeah,

1125
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: this incredible, incredible. It's like a yeah, it's like a turtle,

1126
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: but everything is flesh, like the shell is flesh. That

1127
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: everything's flesh. Uh, it's a flesh turtle.

1128
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: A turtle that forgot about shells.

1129
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: A giant, round barrel chested flesh turtle.

1130
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: That's your boy.

1131
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: That's my boys, that's your that's your that's your little son.

1132
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: More we go. We do.

1133
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: Got a play a little game called Guess you squawk

1134
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: and the Mystery Animal sound game. Last time, the hint

1135
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: was this, Uh, something is lurking in the cold waters

1136
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: in the depth and it's adorable.

1137
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: All right, Oh you got any guesses?

1138
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 3: That was the deck of the Star Trek. That was

1139
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: the USS enterprise. It was the background music that they

1140
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 3: play in like Star Trek. Yeah, episodes.

1141
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, space noises.

1142
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was some space noises, some bleeps and bloops,

1143
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: some spaceship sounds, some onboard computers. You know what. I

1144
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: think we did an episode maybe like a year or

1145
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: two ago, on Ross's Seal, and I feel like they

1146
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: made this exact sound or something very s because I

1147
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 3: remember it being described as a siren like sound. Some

1148
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: of that sounded like an ambulance siren. So I'm gonna

1149
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: say Ross's Seal, That's what it sounds like to me.

1150
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: You are so agonizingly close. This is a man, it

1151
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: is a seal.

1152
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: This is a wettle seal.

1153
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my next like if it wasn't

1154
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: the Ross's Seal, if that was gonna be my next thought.

1155
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 3: But it was like it sounds so close.

1156
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very similar. They are found in Antarctica

1157
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: and they hunt fish in the water under the ice.

1158
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: They have a thick layer of blubber so that they

1159
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: can stay warm, and they make these weird alien sounds.

1160
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: A lot of the frequencies outside of our hearing range,

1161
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: and we're not exactly sure why they do this. It

1162
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: could be just communication among them. There's like a theory

1163
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: that it could be a sort of form of echolocation

1164
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: where they listen for the echoes off of the ice,

1165
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: but there's not that. That's never been proven, so we

1166
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe they're just playing aliens.

1167
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: It could be like I'm a spaceship whoa we? So

1168
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: we don't know exactly why.

1169
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: Probably communication, possibly a form of being able to detect

1170
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: where the ice is, but again that's like a that

1171
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: is not that is not proven there. I don't believe

1172
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: there's been evidence of that other than it seems like

1173
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: something they would do.

1174
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: Have you because you were talking about Walrus's earlier, have

1175
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: you heard some of the sounds that Walruses make?

1176
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: I believe so, but I want to know what specifically, because.

1177
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: All of the sounds that they make are very strange.

1178
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: One of the ones that they make that this one

1179
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: actually reminded me a lot of that. I thought it

1180
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 3: may have been early, like early in the clip, is

1181
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: that they make a bell clanging sound nice like I

1182
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: don't know how they make it. They make it. It's

1183
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: in their throat. They're doing something in their throat and

1184
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: it echoes in the water in such a way that

1185
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 3: it really it sounds exactly like like one of those

1186
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: big bronze bells, Like it sounds exactly like a beldar shows.

1187
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I see e T.

1188
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: The walrus practices his vocalizations at Point Defiance Zoo Aquarius.

1189
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 3: That's my zoo. Baby, it's in Tacoma. I was just

1190
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 3: there a couple of nights ago.

1191
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: Let's let's play the let's play some of this.

1192
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this is so This is from the Point

1193
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: Defiance zooa aquarium.

1194
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: They're in Tacoma, Washington.

1195
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: Represents uh and he's a thirty one year old Pacific walrus. H.

1196
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: Let's let's hear.

1197
01:07:35,400 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: Him for Butter's well.

1198
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: Wow, incredible.

1199
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: It's hard to hear when they're out of love.

1200
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll crank it up a little bit so that

1201
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: you can. You guys can hear it a little better.

1202
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is that is wild. Also, just like

1203
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: watching this video, their eyes are so weird. I don't

1204
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: think about it that their eyes are so weird. Looking

1205
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: looks like it anymoment it does.

1206
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 3: They look like pugs. They look awful and the and

1207
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: their lips are so much fleshier than you think they are.

1208
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: It's just they're a nightmare creature. They look like they're

1209
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: one sneeze away from their face exploding.

1210
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 3: And and and that whistle sound too. When they do

1211
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: that at the zoo, you can hear it all over

1212
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: the place, like you can hear it from like the entrance.

1213
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 3: And if because I hear them do this whistling a

1214
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 3: lot when I'm visiting the zoo, and now that I've

1215
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: visit did a few times and I've watched them in

1216
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 3: person do this whistling sound, I know what they are.

1217
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: But like if if you have not seen them do

1218
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 3: this before, if you don't already know that that's what

1219
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: they say. It sounds like like a train whistle or something,

1220
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: and nobody knows what. Like everybody's always like, what was that?

1221
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you.

1222
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think it was a walrus train whistle sound.

1223
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: Well, they're essentially trains, the train of the sea exactly.

1224
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: All right, onto this week's mister annimill sound. The hint

1225
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: is this merry creature crankle times, folks.

1226
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 5: Ah ah ah ah ah huh.

1227
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: So you know one of those like little toys where

1228
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: you shake it and it goes pop pop pop pop.

1229
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 3: That's a that's a man, that's a grown man. It

1230
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: sounds like one of those dog toys, like the pig

1231
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: shaped dog toy that when you squeeze it it makes that.

1232
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: Kind of like yeah, exactly, wock bong sook uh gosh.

1233
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds like some kind of duck, like

1234
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: some sort of weird like like a goose or a

1235
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: duck or something.

1236
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: Sounds like you step, like someone stepping repeatedly on a cube.

1237
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 3: I mean I have to meta game a little bit

1238
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 3: and use the clue to think that, Like, if it's

1239
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 3: a festively themed animal, my only thought would be like

1240
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 3: or something like that. So based on the sound, I

1241
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 3: would have to go with some kind of goose or

1242
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: a or a swan.

1243
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: Perhaps, Oh you were you were right with your first guess.

1244
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: Oh it is that we'll bleep it out with like

1245
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, a festive quack, but but with the

1246
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: festive goose. Maybe it's maybe it's the Maybe it's the

1247
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: goose that Scrooge asked that boy to you and he's like, boy,

1248
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: what day is it?

1249
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: Why it's Christmas?

1250
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 3: Suck?

1251
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: And it's like, get a giant goose that makes this.

1252
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: Sound I know, just the buttons uck. Well, thank you

1253
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 2: so much for joining me today. Where can people find you?

1254
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on Just the Zoo of Us, which is

1255
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 3: a podcast on the Maximum Fun Network. It is also

1256
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 3: family friendly, so if you listen uh with young folks

1257
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: in the car, this would be a great one for that.

1258
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 3: I also have another podcast called Spellbound and Gag that's

1259
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: about weird and spooky and gross stuff in science and history.

1260
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: That one is not family friendly, so please uh grown

1261
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: ups only for that one. Family, Yeah, leave your family

1262
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 3: and come listen to my podcast. And I believe Katie's

1263
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 3: been on both of those pots. I have a rate

1264
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: entry point either way. Yeah, so that's just the zoo

1265
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 3: us dot com. If you want to learn more about

1266
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: the show, or just look up Spellbound and Gaged. I

1267
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: don't have a website for that one yet.

1268
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know Internet.

1269
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: You just say it, Say it to your say it

1270
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: to your computer, and they'll.

1271
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: Take you there.

1272
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. The the the AI programs that are listening to

1273
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 3: us all. Actually, if you just say it out loud

1274
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: or probably just even me talking about this right now,

1275
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: you can get a sponsored ad for it. I don't

1276
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 3: sponsor any ads. So if you get a sponsored ad,

1277
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: that would be really weird because I'm not the one

1278
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 3: paying for it.

1279
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: Well, but it's the AI is making money. Yeah on

1280
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: you cloned you.

1281
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: Well. Happy holidays you guys, Thank you so much for listening.

1282
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: I probably will need to uh take uh the holidays off,

1283
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: might do feel little.

1284
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: Uh crangled times rerun. Uh we will see. I am.

1285
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: I am currently uh sharing my uh nutritive and bodily

1286
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 1: functions with another rapidly growing individual, and so that does

1287
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: sometimes interfere with my release schedule.

1288
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 3: Bro I'm just stating right now, I'm.

1289
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: Just stating, I'm brooding, and I'm just stating, and it's uh,

1290
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's an interesting process, and I

1291
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: am I am. I'm sort of somewhat at the mercy

1292
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,480
Speaker 1: of the whims of this uh new homunculus.

1293
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: So we'll see.

1294
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: But if I don't, if I don't uh uh see uh,

1295
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: which I do right.

1296
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: Now, I can see all of you. It's wild. It's

1297
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: a wild experience.

1298
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 3: She sees you when she's when you're sleeping.

1299
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 2: And I know when you're awake.

1300
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: Uh, I know, I do like both bad are good

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Speaker 1: and my I have sort of a rubric very complicated

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Speaker 1: moral framework for determining badness and goodness.

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Speaker 3: It's a and it is a binary.

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Speaker 1: Actually it is like you think that like it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a mathematical formula, and I can determine within two

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Speaker 1: decimal points like how like that you are just irredeemably

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Speaker 1: bad or you know, solidly good, and you'll either get

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Speaker 1: worms or.

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Speaker 2: Slightly better worms mealworms.

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Speaker 1: Right, meal worms or you know intestinal parasites.

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Speaker 2: Uh, all right.

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Speaker 3: Guys, naughty children get the intestinal paraces, not.

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Speaker 2: Cause children get round worms and mems.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, enjoying the holidays, Thanks for listening. Uh

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Speaker 1: Happy creature kringled times to you stay warm out there

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Speaker 1: or cool?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't. I can't tell you what

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: Regulate at your pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thermal regulate to the ideal temperature, find homeostasis. And thanks

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Speaker 1: to the Space Classics for their super awesome song Exo Alumina.

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Speaker 2: Creature features a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts like the one you just heard, visit

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or Kay guess what?

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Speaker 2: Whoever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm not your mother, you know I would know I

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Speaker 1: think I would know, so I can't tell you.

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Speaker 2: What to do, but I can't tell you that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, if you're uh, if you're gonna be old baby,

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Speaker 1: make sure that your mother does rip up your carrion

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Speaker 1: into edible shreds, because you know.

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Speaker 2: No choking.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to choke on carrion. Always good to

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Speaker 1: take small bites of carrion.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy your regurgitation.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your regurgitation or your egg or your gurgetated eggnog.

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Speaker 1: Whatever is working out for you. Yes, see you next Wednesday. Guys,

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Speaker 1: Happy holidays.

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Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for having me. Also, Katie, good to talk

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Speaker 3: to you again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you too. Bye