1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: here at Garrett Downing following the Ravens thirty two to 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: fourteen loss to the Cincinnati Bengals here on Thanksgiving Night. 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Tough game for the Ravens. Five turnovers on offense. That 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: was the story of the game. This offense continues to 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: struggle and today felt like the bottom. Perhaps let's hope 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: because it was. It was a rough day. It's the 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: first time the Ravens have committed five turnovers in a 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: game since twenty thirteen. They hadn't turned the ball over 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: five times in a home game in eighteen years, since 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. So not the kind of records 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: that you want to be sett in here, not at all. 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: I think that when you come into this game, and 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: the Ravens were favorites coming into this game, the Bengals 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: defense had been heavily scrutinized and was finally in most 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: statistical categories. And so how do you how do you 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: what's the recipe to losing and not having the kind 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: of offensive showing. 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: That you expect to. 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: Well, you turn the ball over, and when you turn 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: the ball over five times, you're gonna lose. You know, 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what the exact numbers are on that, 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: but like you're gonna lose the majority of your games, okay, 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: and that's you're gonna lose nothing. 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: You'd be hard pressed to fight a team that won 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: a game after turn the ball over five times. Five times. 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: It's like, that's just not how you're going to win 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: games when you turn the ball over that much. And 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: the and the frustrating thing about it really for the 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: Ravens is like the majority of those turnovers were self 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: inflicted in the way that it wasn't like, hey, man, 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: he made a great play on that ball, man, that 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: was just something that an incredible intercepts. You gotta tip 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: your cap. It was things that like, I mean one 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: of them just slipped out of Lamar's hands. Another one 36 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Isaiah likely is going in for the touchdown and and 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: reaches out when he doesn't need to and gets the 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: ball stripped. Like those types of plays are self inflicted 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: in a way that you say, man that like you 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: are you're making life really hard on yourself as a 41 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: team as in an offense when you do those kinds 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: of things. 43 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And uh, the first half was really just 44 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: a comedy of errors for the Ravens offensively beyond the turnovers, 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: extended beyond that, I mean Lamar Jackson fumbled while getting sacked, 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: gave the ball, the Bengals, the ball the two yard line, 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Lamar misses a wide open first down throw from his 48 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: own goal line. Isaiah likely fumbled that you just talked about. 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, fat flag for an offensive pass interference that 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: wapes a touchdown off the board, take an unblocked sack 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: that drives you out of field goal range. Lamar fumble's 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: trying to pull the ball down at the end of 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: the first half. I mean, that was all the first. 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: Half, and then there's there was there was some misthrows 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: to to say, and Anderson Hopkins. Yeah, there was a 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: drop by Isaiah. You know, there was Tess Walker on 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: a deep shot to him where the defender fell down. 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: He wasn't able to make the play on that. Like 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: you just go through the list, and there was plenty 60 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: of blame to go around in terms of what was 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 2: going wrong with his offense. And again I come back 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: to the self inflicted piece here where it felt like 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: the Ravens just kept shooting themselves in the foot and 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: it's hard. It's hard to have any kind of success 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: as a team or as an offense when you're missing 66 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: the opportunities for big plays or when you're fumbling the 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: way that the Ravens are, like, those are just not 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: things that you can do and expect to beat anybody. 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: And that's what happened in this game here tonight. 70 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Considering the opponent, this has not only been the worst 71 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: defense this season in the NFL scoring yards, this has 72 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: been historically one of the worst defenses in NFL history. 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: Considering the opponent that the Ravens were going against tonight, 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: which by the way, they were without their star pass 75 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: rusher Trey Hendrickson. On top of that, this is one 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: of the Ravens' worst offensive performances. And you know, we 77 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: talked about the turnovers. The weird thing is like at 78 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: times it looked like, okay, here we go, you know, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: like like objectively speaking, five turnovers against that defense, you know, 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: and you score fourteen points, like bad. One of the 81 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: worst performances in Ravens' offensive history. But it wasn't like 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: some of the games that I remember watching when I 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: was a kid were like they never could even move 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the ball past midfield right right, different from that kind 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: of performance, just sloppy, just you just you can't, you 86 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: cannot turn the ball over. You talking about you. 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: Like the Ravens moved the ball like they had three 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: hundred and forty six net yards. The Bengals have three 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two, Like pretty similar, just from a 90 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: yardage standpoint, moving the football so like they And then 91 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: you add in like some of those moments where you're like, okay, 92 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: here's a deep shot to HEAs walker and the defender 93 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: falls down. This is going to be a touchdown and 94 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: he's not able to make the play. Again, Isaiah likely 95 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: has a great play for forty yards, rumbling and stumbling 96 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: down the field, but then coughs it up at the 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: goal line. Like you had these plays where it's like, Okay, 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: this is going to be a big moment, this is 99 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: going to be a game changing play. The opportunity is there, 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: and then the Ravens just couldn't finish the play. 101 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: Well. This was one of Lamar Jackson's toughest games, I 102 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: think over his career. Lamar did not have a good game. 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: You know, we can talk about the off We're absolutely right, 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: But we haven't mentioned Lamar, and Lamar is the driver 105 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: of this offense. And Lamar didn't have a good game 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: playing and simple, you know, I mean, he missed a 107 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: number of throwers. He turned the ball over three times. 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: One really wasn't his fault, you know, kind of got 109 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: bad at at the line and intercepted when pressure just 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, too much pressure rate in his face. The 111 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: two fumbles can't happen. Mhm uh. It was not a 112 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: good game for Lamar. 113 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: Well, he said his comment after the game. He made 114 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: the point that I miss throws that I don't miss, 115 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: and I'm making him practice and don't have basically a 116 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: reason as to why I didn't. It didn't work out tonight. 117 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: Why what was different about tonight's gaming? He said, I 118 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: miss throws that I don't miss. I need to be 119 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: more consistent, that was his word. 120 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, consistency, And we have to be more consistent. I 121 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: have to be more consistent. Yeah, you know, not blaming 122 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: the injuries. Feels like he was healthier. He looked healthier 123 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: than he has in the past couple of weeks, at 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: least to the to my naked eye. Yeah, of course 125 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: he's running the ball. Yeah, like I've said, you don't 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: know how much to attribute the struggles of Lamar in 127 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: this offense to his injuries. Lamar is very vague about 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: the severity of his injuries. John Harball, you know, both 129 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: were asked, are the injuries the problem here? Is that 130 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: what's going on? John Harball's clearly said he's he's healthy 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: enough to play. He's he's he's good to play. Lamar said, no, 132 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: it's it's not the injuries. That was not the problem. 133 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Said it's not. It wasn't a mechanics thing for his 134 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,559 Speaker 1: miss throws. You know, we're not used to seeing Lamar 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: Jackson's sailing passes and short hopping passes like we are 136 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: where tonight. I don't know what the cause is. Neither 137 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: does Lamar. He doesn't have a good answer for it either. 138 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: Nobody does, because it's not happening in practice. But I 139 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: don't know. 140 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: Lamar finished tonight's game seventeen of thirty two, two one 141 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: hundred and forty six passing yards, no touchdowns, one interception, 142 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: was sacked three times on the night, and then the 143 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: two fumbles. 144 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: As we talked about, it's he's now not throwing a 145 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: touchdown in three straight games, but for the first time 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: in his career. 147 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're just not used to seeing this at all, 148 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: Like from Lamar and from the offense. We've just become 149 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: so accustomed over the course of his career to this 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: offense being lights out, one of the best, one of 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: the most fun efficient, red zone scoring, big play having 152 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: offenses like it was all it's been all of those things, 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: and that hasn't been the case for the last month. 154 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: Since he hasn't been the case since like Week three. 155 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: It hasn't well right, and that's when he got hurt. 156 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: He got hurt in week he got hurt in week 157 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: four in Kansas City, and then and then it has 158 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: obviously then he's come back, and since he's come back, 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: the offense hasn't been playing at the level that we're 160 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: used to seeing, and it's it's at a point where 161 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: you're just like, you know, John Harbaugh and some of 162 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: the players were asked about basically their confidence and the 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: ability to turn it around. Ronnie Stanley emphasized, like he 164 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: has confidence in that. John Harbaugh said he has confidence 165 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: in that. Derek Henry said the same thing. So like 166 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: the Ravens still feel like they have they feel like 167 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: the offense can get back to playing at a level 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: that we are all used to. 169 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: The question is how, The question is how? How does it? 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: You know? Like they they've been saying that for the 171 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: past you know, month, and uh, you know today you're 172 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: going against this Bengals defense that's been struggling mightily. Tonight 173 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: was the hope was that this is gonna be a 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: get right game for the offense. This is a game 175 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: where you can get on track and and then you know, 176 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: finished strong. And it obviously was not in some ways, 177 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: like we said, in some ways, you started to feel like, 178 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: all right, I'm starting to cook a little bit. And 179 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: then you like you step on the rake and it 180 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: smacks you in the face, you know what I mean. 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: Like they marched right down the field on their opening 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: drive and scored a touchdown Derrick Henry you know, plowed 183 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: into the end zone and the offense look great on 184 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: the opening drive, and then it was off kilter from there. 185 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: They got pinned back a little bit. That didn't help, 186 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: of course, But like to your question, so what needs 187 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: to happen, Well, well, tonight it was the turnovers. 188 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: So tonight it's what it's the turnovers that did them. 189 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: That's the easy solution you got, Yeah, And it's not. 190 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: Like I feel like turnovers that can often be pointed 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: to is like, man, if you just don't turn the 192 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: ball over, then you're gonna win, You're gonna have success. 193 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: But tonight with this team, like you turn the ball 194 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: over going into the end zone, and like who knows 195 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: what happens in that situation from like if the game 196 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: how the game plays out differently, it would be fourteen 197 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: to six at that point, and I felt I would 198 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: have felt really good about where things were at that place, 199 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: but who knows, Like you never know, the game ends 200 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: up being thirty two to fourteen, So like who knows 201 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: how the rest of the game plays out at that point. 202 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: But like to that question, what do you have to 203 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: do differently? You have to finish plays, you have to 204 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: not turn the ball over, and I think that the 205 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: Ravens can do that, especially consider like I'm really not 206 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: trying to do the spin zone here, but like I 207 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: almost feel better looking forward about an offense that can 208 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: move the ball but it's turning it over, which is 209 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: what the case was tonight that I do about an 210 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: offense just can't move the football, Like at least you 211 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: see there's glimpses of what this could be and and 212 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: we saw that at times, but you have to finish 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: the job in the rest of these games, because, as 214 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: we've talked about before, the Ravens have a very thin 215 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: margin of air at this point. 216 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with that. And part of the reason 217 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: why the Ravens were riding a five game winning streak 218 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: coming into this game was not because they were playing 219 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: lights out football. Is were, as we previously discussed, some 220 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: ugly wins, but they are at least taking care of 221 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: the football. Yeah, and that gives you a chance to win, 222 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: and tonight that obviously wasn't the case. You know, we've 223 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: said it like when Lamar Jackson is in air, quotes 224 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: to your problem, like you're in a good spot. And 225 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what needs to change to get Lamar going. 226 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: You know, I think the protection, certainly, whether he doesn't 227 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: feel protected and back there, I don't know if that's 228 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: a contributing element. Maybe the mini buy, you know, he 229 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: can get healthier, you know, the verse that he showed today, 230 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I thought that is one silver lining for this game. 231 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: I thought he was running with more conviction and seem 232 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: to have a little bit more juice when he is 233 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: running than in previous weeks. If the mini buy helps 234 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: him get a little bit healthier here down the stretch, 235 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: that could be what turns this offense around. Well. 236 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: He said he was asked a question basically what he 237 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: needs to do to play better, and his answer was 238 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: just be me, b Lamar. And so you know that's 239 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: obviously not anything specific, but that's how he answered the 240 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: question of what you need to do to be more 241 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: consistent and to play at a higher level. And I 242 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: think that I still am reserving, like this level of 243 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: confidence that he is going to play Lamar is going 244 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: to play good football down the stretcher. 245 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: Like I still have that belief, right when you have 246 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: a player that's as good as Lamar Jackson two times 247 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: should have been three time MVP, Yeah, you feel like 248 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: he's not going to be down that long too long, right, 249 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: he's just too. 250 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: Good of a I have a seven year body of 251 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: evidence that he's going to be great exactly. 252 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: He's just a great player. Yeah, I mean he's probably 253 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: gonna end up in he's a great, great player. So like, yeah, 254 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: I think you have that faith that, like great players 255 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: are gonna be Okay, they're gonna every great player, even 256 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: the greatest of players, go through some rough patches. And 257 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of what Kyle Hamilton said after the game. 258 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: Even Lamar, even Lebron James, has a bad day. Yeah, 259 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: this is a bad day for Lamar Jackson. Like I 260 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: think that Hill this is the anomaly, right, like turning 261 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: the ball over three times for the first time four 262 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: years and all the bad stuff like that is definitely 263 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: the outlier. But it also needs to be a higher 264 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: level than like what we've seen even in the past 265 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: several games where I think the Ravens sue. Everybody knows it, 266 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: the offensive players know. Ronnie Stanny Stanley said it last week. 267 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson concurred this week that this offense has to 268 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: play at a much higher level for them to go anywhere. Yeah. 269 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Let me make this point though, too. 270 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 2: And I think that tonight is one of those nights 271 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: where just if it could go wrong, it did go 272 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: wrong for the Ravens and absolutely like and so it 273 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: just like it's almost just to throw this game out 274 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 2: forget about it. Because you have the five turnovers again, 275 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 2: one of them happens at the goal line. You also 276 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: have a touchdown by Zay Flowers that gets taken off 277 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: the board. You end up getting no points on that drive. 278 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: It's an offensive pass interference call. Terry McCauley, former NFL 279 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: official who's the rules analyst for NBC, said, I didn't 280 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: see OPI on that play, So, like it was, it's 281 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: a questionable call. It could have gone either way. That's 282 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: what Terry mccaully said that he didn't see that. He 283 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: didn't see OPI on that play, and it took a 284 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: touchdown off the board. The Ravens end up getting nothing 285 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: on that drive, end up having to punt, and so 286 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: like those are two those are two touchdowns there that 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: the Isaiah likely one if he if he just is 288 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: able to run into the end zone, and the Zay 289 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: Flowers one where he scores and it's taken off the board. 290 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: If those players go the other direction, then it's a 291 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: different conversation. It's just and I know that's not how 292 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: it works, and you can't do revision's history. And like 293 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't play out the way that I'm 294 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: saying they could have. But like I just felt like today, 295 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: if it could go wrong, it would go wrong for 296 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: the Ravens, and that, in some weird way kind of 297 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: gives you a little bit of hope moving forward that 298 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: that's not gonna be You're not gonna have that bad 299 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: luck every game the rest of the way. 300 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel a little bit better, all right, Lie, 301 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: all right, that's good. That's good, and. 302 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: And like and and there there's there's and I'm not 303 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: just trying to do the spin zone thing here. I 304 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: think that like but like, there's there's that's the thing, 305 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: that's what about I need to spin But that's the 306 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: thing that's like weird about this game. It's that it 307 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: was it was so frustrating when you really like drill 308 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: down on what went wrong and what needs to change 309 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: and what you take away from it moving forward. I 310 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: think those are all points that I come away with saying, like, 311 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: this could have been such a different night. 312 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I think one of the talking points coming 313 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: out of this game offensively is why didn't the Ravens 314 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: run the ball more? With Derrick Henry, he was their 315 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: best offensive player on the field ten carries for sixty yards, 316 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: had the twenty eight yard touchdown, and also caught one 317 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: pass for forty four yards. Derrick Henry had a good night, 318 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: and he did not get a touch in the second 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: quarter at all. So coming out of it, that was 320 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: one question that John Harwell got. That was one question 321 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry got. Derek said, he's never going to be 322 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: a guy who pouts in the media about his touches 323 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: and all that. Some of it is we saw one 324 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: play Lamar, you know, it's a Reid option play, and 325 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: Lamar kept it didn't get any gain and could Derrick 326 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: Henry It was in the red zone. Could Derrick Henry 327 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: have gotten that ball and gotten some yards? It looked like, yes, 328 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: just wasn't the right decision. So it's not all Todd 329 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Munkin And I don't know, I just I kind of 330 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: I get just weary of the I didn't so and 331 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: so get more carries. When you really drill down into 332 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: all these things, it turns out to be like three 333 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: or four coin flips every time that like, Okay, maybe 334 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: you could have run it there and you didn't, And 335 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: I just don't think three or four coin flips or 336 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: what decided. Certainly that's the lack of Derrick Henry running 337 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: the ball tonight is not what decided this game. No 338 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: if sands or butts about that. Yeah, yeah, I don't 339 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: care how many if you turn over five times, I 340 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: don't care how many runs Derrick Henry had. 341 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: All right, I think that everybody would agree that you 342 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: want to have more, have him get more than ten carries. 343 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: But the question then becomes is, well, where, like how 344 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 2: do you get him those additional carriers on which ones 345 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: should have been those carries? 346 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: The passes, you know, like we said isa Likely the 347 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: touchdown throw to to Zay Flowers, you know, like attacking 348 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: the Bengals through the air wasn't necessarily a bad idea. 349 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned the second quarter, the Ravens had three 350 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: drives in the second quarter. The first one was the 351 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: Isaiah Likely fumble drive, so like. 352 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: That it would look pretty good, right, other than the fumble, right. 353 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: The next one was the Zay Flowers touchdown drive that 354 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: got nullified and again looked pretty good up until that 355 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: that Pi touchdown. 356 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: Off the board. 357 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: And then and then their third drive in the second 358 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: quarter was the one right before half of Lamar fumble 359 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: on the first play trying to pull the ball back, 360 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: and so like again like yes, you look at the 361 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: stat sheet, you say, yeah, Derek should have more than 362 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: ten carries. But you go through that second quarter and 363 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: it's you can understand. 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Why the approach was the number. Yeah, the approach wasn't bad. 365 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: It was generally working. 366 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: Again, you had basically two touchdowns that were taken off 367 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: the board in that second quarter. 368 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you can always second guess all of this stuff. 369 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: I think that was a pretty minor point, and honestly, 370 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: it's a storyline coming out of the game. In my opinion, 371 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: I think it's going to probably be an overblown storyline. 372 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a quick break. 373 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll discuss the defense, which had 374 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: a really strong night, especially in the first half. We'll 375 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: dive into that defensive conversation and also where the Ravens 376 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: go from here. You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We're 377 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: coming to you from the Seat Geek Studio. You want 378 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: to mention our partners with Drafting Sportsbook. They are an 379 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Drafting sportsbook. 380 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: The Crown is Yours. So part of the frustrating element 381 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 2: coming out of this game is that the defense was 382 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: so good in the first half. They were put in 383 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: some difficult situations, including one time with the two yard line. 384 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: They kept the Bengals out of the end zone the 385 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: entire first half. Four red zone trips, four field goals 386 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: for Cincinnati, so the defense was playing about as well 387 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: as they could in that first half. Bengals were able 388 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: to pick up some huge versions and touchdowns in the 389 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: second half. It felt to me like that the defense 390 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: was on the field a ton in this game, and 391 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: in the second half. I don't they seem gas just 392 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: looking at them out there. Time of possession was super 393 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 2: tilted in this one as well as well as just 394 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: the snap count, and I don't know if that had 395 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: anything to do with the success that the Banks were 396 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: having late in this game, but it's just disappointing for 397 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: a game where the defense did so many things right. 398 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: Then in the second half, the Bengals were able to 399 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: hit some key players and ended up getting the end zone. 400 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: To me, that was the difference a. I thought that 401 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow kind of got into a groove as the 402 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: game went on. I thought he started a little rusty, 403 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: which is understandable considering he had missed nine games with 404 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the tow surgery. I thought he kind of settled in 405 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: over the course of the game. He did not to 406 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: me at all. 407 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: The entire game looked like a guy who hadn't played 408 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: football in two months and was coming off a major 409 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: tow injury. 410 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought he played a good game. I thought 411 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: early on, you know, there were some miss throwers and 412 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: opportunities for the Bengals. 413 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: Maybe, like I mean through the ball forty six times 414 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: twenty four for forty six sixty one Yeah, touchdowns. 415 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying early on, you go look at their 416 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: first couple of drives. I thought there were sissed opportunities 417 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: for them. But yeah, if the total numbers, I thought 418 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: ended up. I thought he warmed up and uh settled in. 419 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: I thought played a pretty darn good game, especially in 420 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: the second half, especially making plays on third down. I 421 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: mean they had nineteen third downs. Yeah, nineteen third downs. 422 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: That's insane. I thought he played a pretty patient game 423 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: while also taking some shots down the field, you know. 424 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: And I thought it was just a pretty clean game 425 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: for Joe Burrow. Didn't turn the ball over, and you 426 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: know they he threw for two hundred and sixty one yards. 427 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: Not crazy numbers, Jamar Chase seven for one, ten good game, 428 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: fourteen targets. So I mean, if Jamar Chase gets targeted 429 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: fourteen times, you give up a buck ten, you're kind 430 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: of like I actually thought. I thought the Rays had 431 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: a pretty good plan for Jamaal Yeah, I mean he 432 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: had including one catch for forty three, like all right, 433 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, and the Ravens lost their their top corner 434 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins at halftime, who was matched up against Mr 435 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: Chase a lot of the game at a big stop 436 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: against him in the first half. 437 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: So you'll lose your top corner at halftime, and Jamar 438 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: Chase doesn't have like one of his iconic historic knights 439 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: against you. I think that's actually a pretty good showing 440 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: against what I guess him considering what he can do. 441 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: Yep uh, I predicted under one hundred yards for Jamark 442 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: Chase missed it by ten. You didn't miss on that miss. 443 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: That missed on the blow twenty points. The Ravens defense 444 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: string of not giving up twenty points. But if I 445 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: mean considering the field position the defense was put in, 446 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I should get half of it. 447 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: Your predictions were all of this game, I think honestly, 448 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: in the in the second half of the defense, they 449 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: it was the third down you mentioned the third downs. 450 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: Both of Jamar Chase's touchdowns, both of sorry, Joe Burrow's 451 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: touchdown passes came on third and nine situations. Yep, and 452 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: they were just I mean, they were good plays like 453 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: those are Dson. 454 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: It's like the check the roster Tanner Hudson. How the 455 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: heck did Tanner hudd And just make a one handed 456 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: catch on Kyle Hamilton a touchdown? Just like, great throw, 457 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: even better catch. Yeah, ridiculous. And then Joe Burrow great 458 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: touchdown throw beats the Ravens blitz. He beats it touchdown 459 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: over the middle. Yeah, just a good play. 460 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like those are ones, those are kind of tip 461 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: your cap plays. And again I thought the defense like 462 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 2: it's it's difficult to put put too much on their 463 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: shoulders in a day where they were put some really 464 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: tough situations in that first half. 465 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: Game could have been out of hand before halftime. 466 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: It could have, and and they were able to keep 467 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: the Ravens in it. But then the Bengals just had 468 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: too much late. 469 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, you mentioned it. The one thing they. 470 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: Didn't they weren't able to get They weren't able to 471 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: get as much pressure on Burrow as I thought they 472 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: were going to Yeah, I think that. 473 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: Burrow does a pretty good job of neutralizing that. He's 474 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: good at that. Yeah, getting the ball out of his hands. 475 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: He's pretty good at taking his three step five step 476 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: drop and getting the ball out, you know. I mean 477 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a he's a much different quarterback than Lamar Jackson, 478 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: who's looking to extend plays and you know in all 479 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: that stuff like that's not really Burrow's style. 480 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. Again, he was more mobile within the 481 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: pocket than I expected him to be. 482 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Would you think of the whole like you go to 483 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: the bench and take the cleatoff and put the sneaker 484 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: on and kind of move. 485 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: Well, it worked. It worked for him, So whatever works, 486 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, I don't like I thought the 487 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: Ravens were really going to be able to like just 488 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: kind of flush him out and he'd be pretty immobile 489 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: back there, and that they were in. The Ravens pass 490 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: rush has been really good in recent weeks. They just 491 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: weren't able to get his back there as much. He 492 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: was getting the ball out quick and he does a 493 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: good job of navigating around the pocket when he needs to. 494 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't think a lack of pass rush 495 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: was also the issue in today's game. 496 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought again, I thought the defense. 497 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Defense played pretty darmn well. It was a good showing 498 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: for the defense. 499 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: I guess a great quarterback who looked like himself out 500 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: there today. 501 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: Yep. I thought the Bengals executed a pretty patient game, 502 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: like I said, while still taking some shots. They only 503 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: turn the ball over once very late in the game 504 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: when it was pretty much decided. Travis Jones got forced 505 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: fumble and fumble recovery. So you played clean football like that, 506 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: make make some plays. You're gonna give your chance, yourself 507 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: a shot to win. This did not look like a 508 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: three and eight Cincinnati Bengals team that came in here 509 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: to Mt. Bank Stadium. And of course having Joe Burrow 510 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: back under center makes a big difference. Yeah, and uh 511 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: so Yeah. I thought though for the Ravens defense, like 512 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: this is one that you walk away and you say, 513 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: all right, you know this didn't feel like a step 514 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: back the Ravens defense, I don't think so. 515 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: The good news on the injury front for the Ravens 516 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: Nate Wiggins he left with the foot injury. It's not 517 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: major and that when he when he got ruled out 518 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: at halftime, you start worrying about how bad is this 519 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: going to be? 520 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: Especially foot? Yeah now here foot. I'm like, oh man, yeah. 521 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: But John Harball said it's not a major injury. We'll 522 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: see if he's able to play against the Steelers. I 523 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 2: think that getting through the weekend and obviously his practice 524 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: status next week will determine that. But this is not 525 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: a major injury. Chandler Martin, who the Ravens called off 526 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: from the practice squad linebacker special team's role, he did 527 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 2: have a serious knee injury in his game, So that's 528 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: a downside on that front. And then just for the Ravens, 529 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: next up is the Pittsburgh Steelers right here at MTVA. 530 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 1: He forgot you forgot some history that was made here tonight. 531 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 532 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews is now your Ravens franchise leader in receptions 533 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: after past Derek Mason. To the surprise of No. One. 534 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: Mark was not, you know, shooting off the party favors 535 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, the confetti in the locker room afterwards. 536 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry surpassed Jim Brown for eleventh all time in 537 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: career rushing yards, and DeAndre Hopkins got his one one 538 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: thousandth catch and more. 539 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that game against the Steelers. This this 540 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: is gonna be kind of a make or break game 541 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: for the Ravens. We'll see, of course, what happens with 542 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: the Steelers this weekend. But this division feels very much 543 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: wide open, with the Bengals maybe creeping their way back 544 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: back into this thing. 545 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Uh, sitting at four. 546 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: And eight, only you know, a couple of games back here, 547 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 2: and uh they would have to maybe run the table. 548 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: But uh, this thing has become even more interesting and 549 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: well with Joe Burrow back in the mix. 550 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think the Rave the Ravens need 551 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: to have their site set on the Pittsburgh Steelers and 552 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: beating them. Well, they definitely do, That's what they got 553 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: a I'm not I'm not looking in the rear view mirror. 554 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking ahead of me, at that team that's ahead 555 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: of me right now. I don't care about the rear 556 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: view mirror. The Ravens gotta the Ravens have to win 557 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: the next two games. They have the Pittsburgh Steelers Cincinnati 558 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: Bengals in Cincinnati. You win those two games, I think 559 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: you're in a pretty good position. But I ain't gonna 560 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: sweat the Bengals in my rearview mire two games back. 561 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just the Ravens have they're the margin for 562 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: air is very thin, and they have to they have 563 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: to beat the Steelers, uh in this game. And you know, 564 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: the Ravens said coming into the three game stretch of Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, 565 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: this is basically going to decide the division, and they're 566 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: now in a hole in that in the in that 567 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: three game swing, and where they go from here, we'll 568 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: we'll see. So as always, you can email us at 569 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Thank you 570 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: so much for listening, and we will be back with 571 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: you again next week