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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Master on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, what a day? What a week? Man?

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Speaker 1: What a year? This is Bloomberg Business Week on Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Radio and Carol Master along with Kevin Cirelli, Bloomberg News

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Speaker 1: Kevin ibid me, and he's like, can we have some

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Speaker 1: fun with this introduction? I thought we were having fun.

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Speaker 1: We're always I'm always having fun when I'm with Carol

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Speaker 1: and June. But I mean, you know, it is kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy when you think about it's only Thursday. The

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Speaker 1: president got diagnosed with COVID nineteen, just a month ago. US, well,

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Speaker 1: I feel like your whole you know, the way you

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Speaker 1: think about time this year has changed dramatically. But you're right, like,

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Speaker 1: all trying to figure out, Okay, what does that mean

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Speaker 1: for the election, what does that mean? We wished him, well,

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Speaker 1: we're glad he recovered, but that could have been a

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Speaker 1: game changer as well. Do you remember impeachment that was

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Speaker 1: like another lie Ton. It wasn't even mentioned during during

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Speaker 1: this election debates or anything. So it's it's amazing what's

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Speaker 1: happened in a stand of time. And here this will

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Speaker 1: blow your mind. The president was impeached in January. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: only Gant, it seems like a year ago. Well it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of times ago. If you think about

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Speaker 1: have had so much to deal with as a public.

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Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles off to a rough start and the

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Speaker 1: the giants. I love the Giants. Well, let's let's see

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Speaker 1: what our next teams to say. I want I want

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Speaker 1: to bring in two people because as we conte here

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Speaker 1: to watch the headlines crossing the Bloomberg fast and furiously,

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Speaker 1: we've got a great round table. Roger Fiske is with

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Speaker 1: us in West Virginia, Harper's Ferry, West Virginia. He's Democratic

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Speaker 1: strategist longtime President Obama, aide principle of New Day Strategy.

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Speaker 1: from both sides of the aisle here, essentially, So let's

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Speaker 1: bring him in. Roger, I want to start with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, god, we're still kind of waiting and waiting.

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Speaker 1: our next week. How do you see it? What's important?

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Speaker 1: What are the important issues right now in your view? Well, Carol,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me on. I always

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Speaker 1: I'm not even on air for thirty seconds and he's

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Speaker 1: I'm to the point now. First, I want to associate

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Speaker 1: myself with the comments from A. B. Stoddard in your

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Speaker 1: Over to Ed Baxter in San Francisco. Hey, guys, Hey Carol, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Kevin and June, listen up to the Trump campaign is

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. Matt, I got a question for you.

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Speaker 1: make sure that it is accurate. Uh. And that's why

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Speaker 1: we've been talking a little bit about we might not

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to our guests. I'm Carol

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Speaker 1: Masser along with June Grosso and Kevin Cerelia Bloomberg. Roger

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Speaker 1: Fiske is with US Democratic strategist Matt Gorman Republican strategists. Uh,

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Speaker 1: joining us on the phones right now. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting we were just kind of sharing back in

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Speaker 1: to this that I think there is a point we

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Speaker 1: are tired of being locked in their homes, and to

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Speaker 1: some extent, there might be some fatigue about the volatility

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Speaker 1: can see that maybe people are looking for which might

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Speaker 1: explain maybe while they let you know what happened in

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Speaker 1: Congress versus what might happen in the White House. Ultimately

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Speaker 1: I think absolutely. I think that that has been the

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Speaker 1: case for a year or so, right. And what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is Joe Biden is talking about that

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Speaker 1: of his most common, in my opinion, effective arguments on

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Speaker 1: I become president. I think that's absolutely the case. The

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Speaker 1: pandemic evolve things a bit, but that's something I think

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Speaker 1: it's been very effective for him. Can I just go

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Speaker 1: let me Roger, let let me ask you this, what

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Speaker 1: election alive? Roder Fisk, I mean, in all, in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: I don't you once you have a Trump Pens banner

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Speaker 1: in the east room where Abraham Lincoln laid in state,

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty tough for me to find something that

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Speaker 1: I and you know, in the past, I've been willing

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Speaker 1: with disruptor role in our relationship with kind of elements

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Speaker 1: of that were healthy. I'm not incapable of of of

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Speaker 1: sharing something like that. But based on the last you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd be hard pressed to find something that I would

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Speaker 1: to him to do. Well. He's dragging it out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's dragging it out. And when you drag it out,

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Speaker 1: you're not dead. Matt, the same question to you, what's

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Speaker 1: President Trump doing? Correct? From a strategic standpoint at this point,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say. I mean, maybe preventing Joe Biden's study. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't that's that's a big thing. That's a big thing.

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Speaker 1: I guess it matters, you know, but look, coming out

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Speaker 1: an election night, his speech was was was not appropriate? Um?

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Speaker 1: And look, I gotta tell you how crazy Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: the ubiquitous president, came out every day or the pandemic

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Speaker 1: in press conference? They didn't see the guy since election night.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. What's up with that? Wait,

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Speaker 1: let's just follow we just got about thirty seconds forty

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Speaker 1: seconds here, Matt, what's going on with that? I was

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Speaker 1: just googling to be like, when was the last time

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Speaker 1: I saw a Trump? And it was election night? Correct? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And I don't. I have no idea. Maybe the only

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Speaker 1: reason thing is to shine the spotlight on the press

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Speaker 1: conferences of the states with Rick grannow Is you're saying

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Speaker 1: a rudy But I don't know. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: good answer that. I'm mystified by that. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's really fascinating. Um, it's just another fascinating component to

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Speaker 1: this campaign and election into this year. Hey guy, that

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Speaker 1: he's just stopped. Yeah, always all his appearances every day,

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Speaker 1: feel about this president, I mean I think most would

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Speaker 1: can see that he is really a master, really brilliant

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Speaker 1: when it comes to understanding media and social media in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting messages out. Um, gentlemen, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back in just a moment with Roger

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Speaker 1: Fisk and Matt Gormant and so Roger, I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: with you. It has to be you're gonna get me

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Speaker 1: in trouble and don't get me in trouble because you

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Speaker 1: have in the past. Uh what he's on your radar

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Speaker 1: related to the election, Roger Fisk, Well, very quickly, you

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign should let the vote come be counted.

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Speaker 1: I trust you, I'll realize what just happened, which is

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Speaker 1: that the deep state just gained one member. That's that's

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Speaker 1: what just happened. When he came out and said, so

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Speaker 1: this is election related, Kevin, So your heartbeats can't come

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Speaker 1: down just a little bit. But wait, wait, wait, that's'

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Speaker 1: but that's really important. Modred is that significant? James Baker,

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Speaker 1: When someone like that comes out and says it, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the way the Trump culture works.

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Speaker 1: He says too plus two is five, and everyone around

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Speaker 1: him says, yeah, it's five. And then one person raises

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Speaker 1: their hand and says, actually it's former and they're just

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Speaker 1: like deep state, you know, So it's they can They're

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Speaker 1: the bucket of deep state is just permanently elastic, right,

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Speaker 1: it can expand to incorporate anyone. Um. And the thresholds

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Speaker 1: between not being deep state and being gaps shad. It's

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Speaker 1: whether or not you agree with the President when he

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Speaker 1: says these odd things. UM to Kevin's point, and I'll

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Speaker 1: try to do this very very quickly, I maintain and

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Speaker 1: contract to the House and the and the unmet expectations

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. The Democrats, no matter what happens with

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Speaker 1: UM that Biden Harris ticket, the Democratic Party really needs

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Speaker 1: to come up with a new way of talking about

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Speaker 1: success they have and I think that they have lost

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Speaker 1: the way to speak about success in a broad way

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Speaker 1: that can still incorporate all the social justice goals that

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Speaker 1: can still incorporate lifting minorities, that can still incorporate expanding opportunity,

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Speaker 1: but they've lost that capacity to speak that in a

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Speaker 1: way that can embrace everyone. And I go back to

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Speaker 1: Paul Wellstone. It's very very simple things he's saying, which

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Speaker 1: Everyone does well when everyone does well, and it's not

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Speaker 1: that complicated. But I think that kind of reckoning has

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Speaker 1: to happen on our side because we've sliced and diced

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Speaker 1: muscle of the Democratic Party that can speak about success

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Speaker 1: and wealth generation and things like that within the context

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Speaker 1: rebooted because I think it is essentially vanished at this point.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. That's really really interesting, And I love

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Speaker 1: the Paul Wellstone shout out, especially given although I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: back to Senator Amy Klobuchar campaign, but she always used

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Speaker 1: to give him a shout out on the campaign track

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Speaker 1: because she got her start for with Paul Wellstone. Okay

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Speaker 1: mc gorman, what's on your radar? Alright? Real quick? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Brendan Boyle made it a point about a mandate. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Biden would come in with the mandate. He's absolutely wrong

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Speaker 1: because for the first time in thirty two years, a

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Speaker 1: president Biden or a president period would not would come

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Speaker 1: in with not control, a complete control of Congress. But

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Speaker 1: Hush was the last person to do it. But Uh,

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Speaker 1: I what's on our radar is we end as we

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Speaker 1: began with John Assaf down in Georgia and an effective

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Speaker 1: special election. Uh. That will get lots of money and

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Speaker 1: lots of outside attention. Um. And I'll tell you right now,

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Speaker 1: this is incredibly important, which is that we might not

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Speaker 1: have the final talt. We won't have now the final

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Speaker 1: tally in the Senate until January three, I believe, is

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Speaker 1: when that runoff election down in Georgia is scheduled, and

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Speaker 1: just that one Senator vote could really really impact mc warman.

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Speaker 1: To follow up here, the dynamics of whomever the whatever

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Speaker 1: the outcome is at the presidency, the dynamics of the Senate,

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Speaker 1: huge difference. Mac Worman absolutely and and and the gentleman

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Speaker 1: who's running against Kelly Luffer, Raphael Warnocky is the pastor

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Speaker 1: at mL k's old church. And you know when they

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Speaker 1: usually have candidates run down in Georgia Democrats, especially once

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Speaker 1: you've gotten the runoff old white guys, it's in the

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Speaker 1: young African American. Can he get turned out in the

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Speaker 1: African Americans who normally wouldn't come out for a January

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Speaker 1: special runoff? That could be something I've watched very very closely.

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Speaker 1: That's a new paradigm down there. And um the stas

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Speaker 1: the word she's been doing again. I'm not a fan

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Speaker 1: of it, but I'm watching very closely. It's gonna be remarkable.

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Speaker 1: June Grasso, my friend June all right, as I will

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Speaker 1: be watching as is might want the Supreme Court because

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Speaker 1: President Trump's campaign asked the court to immediately help in

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Speaker 1: the disputed election in Pennsylvania. The court gave the Democrats

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Speaker 1: until this afternoon to file a response. The Democrats said,

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Speaker 1: we don't care if Trump intervenes, but don't take this.

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Speaker 1: Those votes may not matter in the election. So the justices,

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Speaker 1: they wait and see what happens and say we don't

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Speaker 1: need to. That's my radar, that's on the That's really huge, alright, Carol,

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Speaker 1: what's on your radar? Trump is um? I do wonder

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Speaker 1: just going back to Josh Green, that's the cover of

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Speaker 1: the magazine. Does it if President Trump does not get

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Speaker 1: a second term, does it still persist in our society?

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Speaker 1: Because what an interesting year COVID nineteen. Uh, the racial

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Speaker 1: and we have a lot of people who feel left out.

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Speaker 1: It explains why President Trump came to the White House

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Speaker 1: in ten But we know that there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of minorities and black people who don't feel represented by

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Speaker 1: this government. You look at the Joe Biden and Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris ticket, it certainly feels a little bit more representative

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Speaker 1: of what this year has been about. But we shall

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Speaker 1: ultimately see you know what persists longer term in terms

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Speaker 1: think that's what's your radar. Well, but I know they're

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Speaker 1: they're raging up on me, and now it's like what

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Speaker 1: is it used to only be the it all against one?

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Speaker 1: Now it's four against one. I think for Trump is

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Speaker 1: m though, what I'm really gonna be interested in is,

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Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome over the next few days or

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Speaker 1: weeks there I say, I know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get anybody on edge, but regardless of that, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an open primary on the Republican side in just

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Speaker 1: four years in four and so typically the way that

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Speaker 1: those primaries go is you've got certain candidates jockeying for

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Speaker 1: defined as the Trump base. And so that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: very hesitant to say that Trump is UM is going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: because you can guarantee just look at the map in Iowa. Right,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, maybe in the Trump maybe according to you know,

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Speaker 1: we just talked to the Business Week article. Trump maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the people in that in that race. So

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Speaker 1: we didn't agree with you more, we didn't. We still

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Speaker 1: have Roger with us, right, yeah, Roger, and we still

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Speaker 1: have and we have both of them still with us.

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Speaker 1: Well you're listening to us, and I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't the races and over I do wonder when

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Speaker 1: how do we need to First of all, I think

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Speaker 1: it's great that I feel like more Americans are engaged

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Speaker 1: vote for years. So, you know, Roger, what is you know,

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Speaker 1: what is American politics? When we get on the other side, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what's I mentioned earlier about my my the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Democrats need to come up with a

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Speaker 1: new way of speaking about success and things like that.

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Speaker 1: The reverse is true for the Republicans, because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult for them to go

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Speaker 1: out and talk about fiscal discipline, character, honesty, family values,

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Speaker 1: small government, things like that. After they've essentially surrendered the

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Speaker 1: main pillars of their brand over the last four years

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Speaker 1: and thrown in I mean, I was working in the

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Speaker 1: Senate during impeachment, and you can take some of those

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Speaker 1: floor speeches about President Clinton and apply them now and

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Speaker 1: and no one would even you couldn't find anyone in

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party that would be willing to apply those

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Speaker 1: standards for President Trump. All of that is gone. They've

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Speaker 1: surrendered the main pillars of their brand. So the Democrats

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Speaker 1: need to find new footing when they talk about success,

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Speaker 1: But the Republicans need to figure out how they've drifted

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Speaker 1: so far, but that they're unrecognizable at this point and

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Speaker 1: field of people starts to talk about balanced budgets. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna laugh and laugh and laugh. Yeah, I've seen this

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Speaker 1: movie before, Matt, Matt Goran, What what do American politics?

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Speaker 1: What do they need to be? Where do they go

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Speaker 1: from here? Well, real quick, Trump is going to speak

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Speaker 1: at six thirty pm and they just announced, so there there,

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Speaker 1: there is, there is where he is. But uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know the answer to that, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's my honest answer. Um, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I will say I think Joe Biden, uh and Pelosi

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Speaker 1: and Schumer will have a huge left word pull from Xandracascio, Cortez,

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Speaker 1: the squad, Bernie Sanders. Um. Yeah, I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: resemble in a lot of ways like what we saw

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Speaker 1: where they Biden and the others and really threaded kneel

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Speaker 1: between Um on policy, you know, and trying to get

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Speaker 1: things done, even just must pass bill. I think it

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Speaker 1: could be governing by crisis. And you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the markets. Yeah, I think you're I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to be in store for the same sort of volatility. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, we might not be fighting over the death ceiling,

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Speaker 1: but shut down, you know that that sort of thing

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Speaker 1: that we had during the Obama era. Yeah, interesting, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to do your radar. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: here was on my radar. Pizza. Did you see this?

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Speaker 1: We've been actually talking about it all day. There was

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Speaker 1: a huge spike Papa John's analysts. They put out a statement,

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Speaker 1: huge spike and pizza sales on election night. So there's

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Speaker 1: one thing Carol and June, Roger and Matt that Americans

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Speaker 1: agree on. It you gotta have pizza on election and

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, but I told r EP Christine

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Speaker 1: to Rodd said, where's my pizza? You know, not to

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Speaker 1: be a diva, but I want some pizza. Go ahead. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have to say, I was going to do pizza

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Speaker 1: on election night, but we do pizza on Friday night.

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Speaker 1: It's pizza and wine in a movie. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: You do wine on election night, Carol, I did did.

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to that work right now. I didn't

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Speaker 1: go to bed till three thirty. I I couldn't do wine.

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Speaker 1: We just want to say thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: Roger Fisk, democratic strategist, longtime President Obama, a principle of

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Speaker 1: New Day strategy, and our thanks to Matt Gorman as well.

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