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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: You said, take off your clothes. I had these little

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Speaker 2: girl undies on, like little hearts on them, I remember,

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Speaker 2: and they were laughing at that because they liked that.

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Speaker 2: The younger you look, the better it is. It turned,

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Speaker 2: it turned very sexual and it was abuse straight away

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Speaker 2: from both of them.

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Speaker 3: Virginia Gifrey, your voice was heard right now as we

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Speaker 3: go to air. Prince Andrew arrested. That sound from our

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Speaker 3: friends at Lifetime. That's right, Andrew, Prince Andrew behind bars

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Speaker 3: straight after, Rob Shooter joining us fellow Britt host of

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Speaker 3: Naughty but Nice, author of a brand new novel climbing

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Speaker 3: the charts on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: It started with a whisper. You can find them at

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Speaker 1: a substack, Rob Shooter. What happened?

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Speaker 4: Absolute breaking news. My phone has been blowing up. Set

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Speaker 4: at eight am in the morning. Eight am in the morning,

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Speaker 4: the police, unmarked police cars, unmarked officers. They arrested the

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Speaker 4: former Prince Andrew Andrew Mantbatton, Windsor. He was staying in Norfolk.

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Speaker 4: So he has been kicked out of the Royal Lodge,

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Speaker 4: which is his home on the estate of Windsor Castle.

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Speaker 4: He has moved to a smaller house up in Norfolk

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Speaker 4: while his big house was being renovated. It's his sixty

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Speaker 4: sixth birthday. I'm told from my insiders he was not

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Speaker 4: even out of bed. Eight am his time. He got

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Speaker 4: woken up by the police who arrested him and he

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Speaker 4: was taken into custody. Groundbreaking, you know.

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Speaker 3: Right now a convoy police searching the former Prince Andrew's home.

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Speaker 1: He is now. He's been behind bars now.

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Speaker 3: For multiple hours, apparently rob shooter. The Royals were quote

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Speaker 3: blindsided by a surprise raid.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, Nancy. Nobody knew about this. I've spoke

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Speaker 4: to my sources within the police force in London, the

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Speaker 4: Thames Police, and they kept this really really private. I

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Speaker 4: asked them why, and they said they just don't trust anybody.

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Speaker 4: Andrew is potentially a flight risk. He has made some

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Speaker 4: indications that he would like to move full time to

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Speaker 4: the Middle East. Just last week his daughter was in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East with his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, and

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Speaker 4: so they didn't want anybody to know here, so they

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Speaker 4: did not tell the King. They kept it very very

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Speaker 4: private within the police force. They didn't want him to

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Speaker 4: be tipped off. And I'm not saying they didn't trust

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Speaker 4: his brother. This is how the police operate. It's not

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Speaker 4: on a trust level here, this is procedure. They just

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Speaker 4: do not let people know. And let's remember too, Andrew

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Speaker 4: now is a private citizen. He's not a member of

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Speaker 4: the royal fam He has been treated like you and

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Speaker 4: I and everybody else. So nobody had the heads up

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Speaker 4: that this was going to happen, including the King of England.

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Speaker 1: See that photo right there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, that footage earlier was the train

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Speaker 3: wreck interview that Andrew formerly Prince Andrew did and it

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Speaker 3: brought on more questions than answers from our friends at BBC.

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Speaker 3: This photo, this photo, that's Virginia Giffrey as a teen girl,

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Speaker 3: and that's Prince Andrew with his paw wrapped around the girl.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London

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Speaker 5: because when I were going out to when I go

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Speaker 5: out in London, I wear a suit and a tie.

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Speaker 5: That's what I would describe as those are my traveling clothes.

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Speaker 4: That's me.

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Speaker 5: But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,

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Speaker 5: but I don't. I have simply no recollection of a

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Speaker 3: Taken what is he saying that from our friends at

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Speaker 3: BBC and it goes on. It's just like there, he

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that interview where he goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's me, but isn't my hand?

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Speaker 1: What are traveling clothes? What is he talking about?

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Speaker 4: His talking absolute nonsense. In fact, it now turns out

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Speaker 4: that pretty much everything he said in that twenty nineteen

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Speaker 4: interview to the BBC was all lies. He also claimed

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Speaker 4: in the interview that he ties with Jeffrey Epstein after

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Speaker 4: he found out about who he was. We now know

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Speaker 4: from emails that is absolutely not the truth. So Andrew

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Speaker 4: is now a proven liar. I don't use that word likely,

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Speaker 4: but pretty much everything he said in the interview that

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Speaker 4: this all go away. That interview is going to be

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Speaker 3: Joining me now, Sidney Summer's Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney

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Speaker 3: he is actually not under arrest for what he did

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Speaker 3: allegedly to Virginia Jeffrey and allegedly.

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Speaker 1: To others other young girls. That's not why he's been

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Speaker 1: taken into custody.

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Speaker 3: And the three of us have discussed this many times, me, you, Shooter,

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Speaker 3: about how and what charge would actually stick. And it's

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Speaker 3: amazingly not claims of child abuse.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Sydney.

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Speaker 6: Improper conduct in office. Misconduct in office. That's what has

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Speaker 6: Andrew mount Batten Windsor behind bars today. They allege that

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Speaker 6: emails revealed in the latest tranche of Epstein documents show

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Speaker 6: that Andrew shared confident reports regarding investment opportunities in the

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Speaker 6: Middle East, and that is what they have picked him

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me understand now, this is a hypothetical.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Shooter, this.

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Speaker 3: Is the way you know, and I would argue to

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Speaker 3: juries I.

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Speaker 1: Very rarely well, I had to state the law.

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Speaker 3: But I try to give an example, which is a

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Speaker 3: lot easier to understand. For instance, let's just pretend Andrew

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Speaker 3: calls that state who writes it like a big idiot.

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Speaker 3: If you don't want it in page six, don't write it.

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Speaker 3: Don't anyway, he puts in an email example, Hey, the

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Speaker 3: Saudis are going to build the London Eye. They've got

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Speaker 3: the contract invest Now, that would be an example of

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Speaker 3: sharing delicate business information in his capacity as a trade

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Speaker 3: envoy for Great Britain for someone else to capitalize and

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Speaker 3: use illegally for their own pecuniary interest, their own monetary gain.

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Speaker 1: Is that the way you understand the charges. Not the

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Speaker 1: London Eye. That didn't happen. The artists didn't build it.

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Speaker 3: But that's an example of tipping somebody off with insider information,

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Speaker 3: so to speak, and they make money off of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is why Martha Stewart went to jail here

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Speaker 4: in America. He had access to information that nobody else

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Speaker 4: would have, very few people would have. He was a

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Speaker 4: trade envoy in Britain for a decade. It was not

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Speaker 4: His mother, Queen Elizabeth, pressured them into giving him this

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Speaker 4: given secrets, state seeks. It's stuff that just shouldn't have

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Speaker 4: been shared. Now it looks it's alleged as if he

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Speaker 4: gave that information to Jeffrey Epstein, and goodness knows what

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Speaker 4: may have happened, but that was not why he was

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Speaker 4: arrested this morning. He was arrested because he was a

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Speaker 3: Put up shooter, my star shooter. The way he just

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Speaker 3: said that, it's very sobering to think that any state

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Speaker 1: It was horrible. It was his undoing.

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Speaker 3: So just think that through follow that course of reasoning,

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Speaker 3: what did he know that he shared with foreign Let

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all ilk the Saudis, the Russians, the Chinese.

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Speaker 3: Remember the spy Can you jog our memory about the

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Speaker 3: spy fraternizing with Andrew.

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Speaker 4: Andrew had access to pretty much everybody that trades with Britain.

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Speaker 4: He chose to focus on some of the most most dangerous,

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Speaker 4: that the Foreign Office sent the Prime Minister a letter

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Speaker 4: say they were absolutely horrified with what he was doing,

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Speaker 4: who he was meeting with. Also, to these people, he

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Speaker 4: wasn't just sharing secrets. He was trading favors. We now

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Speaker 4: know through the emails with Epstein, he was giving private

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Speaker 4: tours of Buckingham Palace. He was setting up meetings when

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Speaker 4: foreign dignitaries were in Britain, some of which the Royal

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Speaker 4: family would never ever meet with publicly. Epstein, through the

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Speaker 4: emails that we have seen, set up meetings with Andrew

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Speaker 4: Andrew here is up to his neck in this in

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Speaker 4: this kind of case that feels like espionage. We do

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Speaker 4: to know the details of that. That stuff should never

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Speaker 4: But what we do know, or at least what is

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Speaker 3: The alleged Chinese spy to whom I am referring is

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Speaker 1: He obviously had an unusual degree.

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Speaker 3: Do you believe that there is a chance, not a

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Speaker 3: just the tip of the iceberg of what Prince Andrew

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Speaker 3: was gabbing to other foreign entities, most likely for it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that You're right, Nancy. This is all

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Speaker 4: today if Andrew is capable of doing this, and he

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Speaker 4: out a decade, Nancy, this wasn't ten weeks, this wasn't

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Speaker 4: ten months. For ten years, he had this really privileged position.

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Speaker 4: He had no qualifications for it. He just happened to

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Speaker 4: He had no job, very very few formal qualifications, and

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Speaker 4: he was given a job that we would not be given.

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Speaker 4: And then he kept the job even though there were

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Speaker 4: so many red flags. There was red flags for the

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Speaker 4: last ten years, and nobody did anything. And now the

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Speaker 4: big question in Britain is what did people know? When

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Speaker 4: did they know it? What did the know? What did

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Speaker 4: his mommy know? He got a job, he kept a

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Speaker 4: job he wasn't qualified to do. And even worse than that, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: he used this job to help himself. Long learn about Andrew?

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Speaker 4: Next thing.

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Speaker 1: To come out?

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Speaker 3: Do you hear the heckler yelling how long did you

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Speaker 3: know about Andrew and Epstein. That's from our friends at

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Speaker 3: Sky News. So you're absolutely right, Rob Shooter. This is

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Speaker 3: opening up a huge can of worms.

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Speaker 1: For the royals. I would like to think that they

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Speaker 1: They're trying to preserve the monarchy.

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Speaker 2: What now what?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, I'm told for my sources that there are

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Speaker 4: emergency meetings now happening inside the palace. William is the

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Speaker 4: Queen Elizabeth brushed this under the carpet, so they might

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Speaker 4: have known it was happening a long time. There was

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Speaker 4: has changed today there are emergency meetings. My insiders tell

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Speaker 4: There have been some reports in Britain that the King

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Speaker 4: They can have a fresh start. I'm told the family

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Speaker 1: She please start, Please start with the abdication.

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Speaker 3: Every time there's a crisis, everyone says, oh, they're going

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Speaker 1: Nobody's abdicating.

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Speaker 3: That's not happening, all right, So just what I want

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Speaker 3: to find out is what all can be proved on Andrew,

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Speaker 3: and you and I have discussed many times on and

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Speaker 3: I believe happened. I believe Virginia for Jeffrey and that

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Speaker 3: Sydney on what is that photo of Andrew hanging over

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Speaker 3: that but shooter day one, you and I agreed that

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Speaker 3: the statute of limitations had run on many of the

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Speaker 3: molestation cases Virginia. Giffrey passed away, as have many people

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Speaker 3: connected to Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Many Now, we've.

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Speaker 3: Always agreed that it was going to be a charge

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Speaker 3: relating to miss use of his position, either intimidating police

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Speaker 3: because that can be proven. No statute of limitations has

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Speaker 3: run on that, right.

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Speaker 4: Shooter's absolutely right. Nancy al cape and went to jail

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Speaker 4: under tax charges here in America. That's how they got

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Speaker 4: him so often to the way that they managed to

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Speaker 4: is for an adjacent crime. It is very, very difficult

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Speaker 4: to prove the Virginia Duk case. It has been settled.

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Speaker 4: He paid twelve million pounds to settle that interesting, a

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Speaker 4: so he knew a little bit more about this than

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Speaker 4: we think. But these are crimes now that are easier

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Speaker 4: exchanged that shouldn't have been and that's what they're looking

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Speaker 4: into now. Multiple homes were raided this morning at eight

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Speaker 4: is laptops and documentation that's going to help them prove

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Speaker 3: And also they'll be looking at the same documentation on

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Speaker 3: the other end, like a powderkeg. Was Epstein's emails and

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Speaker 3: in Epstein's emails, which some of them.

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Speaker 1: Have been released, not all of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: Of course, these emails were found from Andrew back to Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Sumner tell me about the raid, and the actual charges

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Speaker 3: on government trade secrets. He has not been formally charged

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Speaker 3: as in an indictment. But he has been arrested on

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Speaker 1: And what are those photos we keep showing?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a lot, but we do know yes, those

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Speaker 6: charges do carry a possible lifetime sentence. So even though

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Speaker 6: it's not directly for what happened with Virginia Jeffrey, this

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Speaker 6: And yes, these charges relate to miss use of his position,

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Speaker 6: his power, exchanging these documents just minutes after he received them,

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Speaker 6: private confidential reports on these trade end boys that went

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Speaker 6: straight to Epstein immediately after he received them. And these photos, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: young woman touching her on all fours. In what circumstance

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Speaker 6: would this happen in a playful manner that is not

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Speaker 6: inappropriate in some way, shape.

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Speaker 3: Or form, no universe. Very quickly, Rob Sheeter, what are

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Speaker 3: the royals? What about King Charles and William. What are

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Speaker 4: King Charles has put out of statements we have to

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Speaker 4: follow the law here. What's really interesting to his hours

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Speaker 4: after his brother's arrest that he did not know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: They did not tip him off. He did something very

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Speaker 4: very unusual. King Charles attended a fashion show in London

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Speaker 4: for the first time. He's never been to Fashion Week

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Speaker 4: in London, but he clearly wants to get out there

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Speaker 4: proof that he's got nothing to hide, that he's not hiding.

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Speaker 4: William and Kate have been slower to put out a

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Speaker 4: but we do know that William is the force behind this.

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Speaker 4: William has been pushing from day one to make sure

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Speaker 4: there was a reckoning and accountability here. Charles was much

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Speaker 4: slower to get there, but now they are there and

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Speaker 4: also to the Prime Minister has put out a statement

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Speaker 4: saying nobody is above the law.

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Speaker 3: Right now, the brother of the King of England has

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Speaker 3: been arrested and I firmly believe it has to do

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Speaker 3: with Epstein and the release of the Epstein files. What

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Speaker 3: Britain to act. But it's not just about molestation, which

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Speaker 3: could be very hard to prove at this juncture for

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Speaker 3: various legal reasons. This is about allegations he passed on

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Speaker 3: British trade secrets to other foreign entities. And for what

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Speaker 3: a private plain ride ten grand Who knows for what,

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Speaker 3: but I guarantee you we'll find out. Thank you, Sidney Sumner,

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Speaker 3: Thank you Rob Shooter, Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: This gives many of us.

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Speaker 3: Great faith that even the great and powerful will be

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,