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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Lela Hutchinson with us as a graduate gymologist and Generalogical

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Speaker 2: Institute of America. The native of El Paso, Texas. She's

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Speaker 2: the first American woman to enter into the deadly giant

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Speaker 2: crystal Caves of Mexico. She's written a book called Contact

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Speaker 2: in the Chihuahuan Desert and here she is, Leila. Welcome back, George.

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Speaker 3: Is such a pleasure to be here and hear your

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Speaker 3: voice tonight. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: On the show.

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Speaker 2: How have you been?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Excellent, excellent, really busy and actually headed to Arizona to

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Speaker 3: speak to the Mineralogical Society of Arizona. It's the oldest

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Speaker 3: one in Arizona on the earliest images of the giant

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Speaker 3: crystal caves.

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Speaker 4: So my work.

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Speaker 3: Continues, and I'm excited about really sharing my information about

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Speaker 3: the Chihohan with you tonight and with your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Lots of things going on there tell us the significant

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Speaker 2: of giant crystal caves.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say, in the big picture of this,

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Speaker 3: when I went in those crystal caves. I came out

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Speaker 3: of there wondering what the heck really happened to me?

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Speaker 3: Number one and two? Why why were they growing in

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Speaker 3: that particular place in the Chihuahuan Desert, which is outside

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Speaker 3: of Chiuaba City to the southeast about I'm going to

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Speaker 3: say fifty to seventy five miles. It sits on the

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Speaker 3: eastern side of the Sierra Madres Mountains. I think the

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Speaker 3: most important thing of why I wrote or gave that

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Speaker 3: the title of contact in the Chawan Desert is because

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Speaker 3: many years later after my exploration in there, a team

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Speaker 3: of NASA scientists found extremophiles that were these are like

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Speaker 3: microbes that have never existed on the planet before, and

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Speaker 3: they were discovered by doctor Penelope Boston. So it got

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Speaker 3: me thinking about, you know, we think about extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 4: Having a head and two arms and two legs.

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Speaker 3: But really what if we were being seated and have

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Speaker 3: been for millions of years through commets and meteorites, which

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Speaker 3: brings up three eye atlas in some ways in that

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Speaker 3: curiosity of seeding life through microbial action, that's you know,

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Speaker 3: in cased in say meteorites, spherals, cosmic spherals. So that's

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Speaker 3: really that was like the beginning of what is contact

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Speaker 3: in the desert. Then I started to unpack different mysteries

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Speaker 3: and paranormal and phenomena and other high strangeness that I

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Speaker 3: don't have all the answers to George, but it was

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Speaker 3: just it just really led me on an amazing journey

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Speaker 3: of about twenty years of research field research as a

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Speaker 3: matter of fact. And then on top of that, being

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Speaker 3: born in Alpaso, Texas, I consider that the extraterrestrial hot

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Speaker 3: zone and realized that, you know, being a child of

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Speaker 3: the fifties, you know, I was right smack dab in

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Speaker 3: the middle of all that with Roswell and White, Sand's

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Speaker 3: Missile Range, Sandia Mountains, the Manzano Lab, the Sandia Labs,

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Speaker 3: I should say, Monzana Mountain, and some of these crash retrievals.

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Speaker 3: So it's just started to put all that together and go, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, contact is a big story, and it could

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Speaker 3: be the possibility of seating extra terrestrial life through microbial

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Speaker 3: and fungus and bacteria that is actually not from this Earth.

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Speaker 3: And here's the most exciting thing. Sixty minutes Australia is

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Speaker 3: sixty minutes last year they had gone into the Crystal Caves.

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Speaker 3: It took them two years to even get a per

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Speaker 3: meant to go in there.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And they met with doctor Boston and the last thing

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Speaker 3: is said on sixty minutes of Australia said that they

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Speaker 3: have never been seen on the Earth before.

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Speaker 2: That's remarkable.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know, it's wild. So that's how it started.

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Speaker 3: They did this and I you know, I'll probably repeat myself.

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Speaker 3: I hope not, but they're going to what they did.

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Speaker 3: They did these fluid extractions out of the largest pylons.

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Speaker 3: They were water inclusions. And that's when she gave her

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Speaker 3: report and said that they had found alien microbes. Then

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Speaker 3: through censoring and things changed because I documented all that

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, they changed the word to ancient.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Did she yeah? Did she deny it?

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Speaker 4: She No, she's not going to She's not going to

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Speaker 3: But NASA's spun the words around and said that they

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Speaker 3: had never seen on planet Earth before inside those crystal caves.

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Speaker 2: Now, crystals grow, don't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do so like quartz crystals, it takes millions

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Speaker 3: of years. It has a different process. It's it's high

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Speaker 3: heat and high pressure. But selenite crystals, those crystals took

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Speaker 3: five hundred to nine hundred thousand years to grow.

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Speaker 2: Are they alive like a plant in some ways?

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Speaker 3: I guess you would say it had the perfect a

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Speaker 3: low temperature and it's an evaporate So actually those crystals

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Speaker 3: grew in water. And here's what they found out about this.

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Speaker 3: This is another like a little piece of phenomenon. These

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Speaker 3: are the slowest growing crystals on the planet. When they

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Speaker 3: measured it, it grows the width of a human hair.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, the width of a human hair every one

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Speaker 3: hundred years. And those pylons are forty feet tall and

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Speaker 3: as thick as redwoods, like up to six feet in diameter.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Are they expensive?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no way to really put a value on

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Speaker 3: it because there are one thousand feet in the earth.

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Speaker 3: So a thousand feet deep and a lead, zinc and

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Speaker 2: You really can't extract them, No.

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Speaker 4: Not at all.

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely being considered the seventh geological wonder of the world.

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Speaker 4: They're really something Why there, Yeah, well that's what I said.

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Speaker 4: That's how this whole thing started.

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Speaker 3: Why There, I think, And it took years for them

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Speaker 3: it was called the Western Interior Seaway and it literally

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Speaker 4: And where did the water go.

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Speaker 3: Well, the water went into the earth and became a

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Speaker 3: massive aquifer. It left fossils behind, and it left desert

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Speaker 3: gypsum pan. That's where that whole flat desert out there

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Speaker 4: So you can see these.

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Speaker 3: Formations are happening around the world in certain places arid environments.

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Speaker 3: But in this situation, what happened was they believed that

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Speaker 2: You must have been awestruck when you went down there.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even realize what I was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was absolutely the most stunning thing that

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Speaker 3: you know, because it's in a lead working, lead, zinc

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Speaker 3: and this was really fascinating. It was it's the most

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Speaker 2: Did they have bear tanks?

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Speaker 3: They don't. But what they did is they put in

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Speaker 3: air shafts. It's kind of primitive in that way. But

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Speaker 3: it was one hundred and twenty eight degrees, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: and it was completely solid pitch.

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Speaker 3: All we had was a miner's helmet. So I had

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Speaker 3: don't even know how to measure the size of this thing.

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Speaker 3: Our job was to climb up and over and into

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Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like you were going to be

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Speaker 4: I did. And actually, it is so hot in there.

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Speaker 3: Within thirty minutes without any kind of low tech cooling

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Speaker 2: If you have a phobia being confined, that's the place

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Speaker 3: and I could get into places that maybe somebody else couldn't.

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Speaker 3: doing that and to document the size and the scope

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Speaker 3: was absolutely stunned. How beautiful these are, the most optically

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Speaker 4: Out in some of these images.

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Speaker 3: And they oh, I say, the largest one is probably

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Speaker 4: Forty feet tall.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how thick anywhere six.

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Speaker 4: To eight feet some of the largest pylons.

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Speaker 3: And they're well documented now for you can find images

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Speaker 2: The crystals we see lela at a gemologist or jewelry

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, no, they cut from the rough and they

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Speaker 4: And that's the one that they would they.

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Speaker 4: You mean you solm like crystals? Yeah, Oh my gosh, No,

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Speaker 3: There's part of it it's called windows selenite, so it's

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Speaker 3: the windows selenite is where you can see straight through it.

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Speaker 3: It's very pure, and a lot of your listeners work,

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Speaker 3: I know they do.

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Speaker 4: They work with selenite.

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Speaker 3: I can't even tell you the thousands of people that

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Speaker 3: at my house.

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Speaker 4: I love it. It's next to my.

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Speaker 3: Bed, I sleep with it, it's outside. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 3: So that's part satin spar, so it's bumpy in a sense.

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Speaker 3: It's got these striations because it's translucent, and then the

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Speaker 3: windows selenite combined. So when they went into those caves,

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Speaker 3: that's when they saw some of the most optically clear

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Speaker 3: selenite in the world. Think about this, George, this is

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Speaker 3: the seventh geological wonder of the world. It is a

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Speaker 3: stone wishing that we have something like this on our planet.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Now, the title of your book is called

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Speaker 2: Contact in the Chihuahuan Desert. Tell me about the title.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay.

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Speaker 3: So, as I started to do this twenty years of research,

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Speaker 3: I started to have some memories returned to me growing

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Speaker 3: up in El Passa next to Fort Bliss Army Base,

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Speaker 3: and we used to go to White Sands all the time,

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Speaker 3: next to the missile range. And then also when I

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Speaker 3: us up to New Mexico Military Institute, so I'd been

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Speaker 3: in Roswell. It's crazy, it's just all this stuff. But

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Speaker 3: when I was a little girl, and I'm saying about

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Speaker 3: four or five years old, and I think this is

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Speaker 3: typical for a lot of people who tell their stories

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Speaker 3: of contact. I remember I had I was sleeping in

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Speaker 3: a room with my older sister. We had twined beds,

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Speaker 3: the other. And I saw a very bright light that

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Speaker 3: had come in through the windows and onto the walls,

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Speaker 3: and I could see the shadows of the trees.

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Speaker 4: From our neighbors.

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Speaker 2: They were abducted as a kid, I was.

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Speaker 3: I don't have memories of that. I think they wiped

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Speaker 3: that out. And a lot of people I've talked to

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Speaker 3: have shared the same thing. They remember being exposed and

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Speaker 3: seeing the grays in the window and then having their

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Speaker 3: memory wiped. Now, this is funny. My sister, My sister

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Speaker 3: died in twenty eighteen in Tucson, Arizona.

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Speaker 4: God bless her.

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Speaker 3: And she had told me, actually she told her daughter.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know this because you know, we never

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Speaker 3: really talked about this as kids. But she said that they.

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Speaker 4: Came all the time. She remembers gray.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she could be making it up either, ye,

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Speaker 2: who knows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they she said that, she said, yeah, they

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Speaker 3: took my eggs.

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Speaker 4: So who knows?

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Speaker 3: Who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes on being contact,

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Speaker 3: But that was my first and earliest experiment and the

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Speaker 3: experience of being contacted.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think this desert, the Chiuauan Desert is

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Speaker 2: an ET hot zone?

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Speaker 3: Okay, think about it, because you know so many people

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Speaker 3: that you've interviewed. How many UFO sightings, crash retrievals have

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Speaker 3: been documented. How about San Antonio? How about Mexico's Roswell.

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Speaker 4: How about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're talking about in the Chihuahuan Desert now

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Speaker 3: in New Mexico and Mexico. So you've got the Roswell crash,

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Speaker 3: You've got the Corona crash, the San Antonio, the Aztec crash.

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Speaker 3: So these are things that have documented in my book

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Speaker 3: because they're all connected.

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Speaker 4: Right, So.

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Speaker 3: Mexico's Roswell was the big one in the Chuaban Desert

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Speaker 3: in Mexico, and then Roswell obviously was the one that

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Speaker 3: really really pulled pulled the you know, the curtain back

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Speaker 3: on being contacted and visited.

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Speaker 2: By Why so many crashes?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's where this is what goes back to those crystals.

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Speaker 3: I think those crystals are beeping signals. I think they're

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Speaker 3: in something that is beyond our normal hearing. I think

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Speaker 3: they have a vibration. I know they have a vibration

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Speaker 3: of two hundred and forty five hertz, which also is

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Speaker 3: something that I learned that the military uses that same.

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Speaker 4: Frequency.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it interferes with the crafts.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it interferes with the crafts.

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Speaker 3: I think I think along with the atomic bomb and

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Speaker 3: the testing there that the UFOs came in for a

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Speaker 3: closer lurk after nineteen forty five.

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