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Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, December thirty first, and Cardi B went

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Speaker 2: on social media this week put out a video pleading

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Speaker 2: with her fans to stop being mean and criticizing her

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Speaker 2: over her relationship with her boyfriend Stefan Diggs. The very

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Speaker 2: next day, he was charged with felony strangulation and with that,

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Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes.

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Speaker 1: We need to start here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the headlines that our boyfriend was charged need to

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Speaker 2: make clear not against her having to do with the

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Speaker 2: former employee. But this kind of got us talking because

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Speaker 2: dear lady, this is a bit of a mess right

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Speaker 2: now for Cardi B. And that there's a Cardi B

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Speaker 2: side to this, and there's a legal side to this

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Speaker 2: with her boyfriend, but our hearts kind of went out

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Speaker 2: to her and hearing her plea online.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a personal side to this too. So

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Speaker 3: she just had a baby with Stefon Diggs in November,

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Speaker 3: and part of the criticism came up because they had

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Speaker 3: to spend Christmas apart, and I say had to, but

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Speaker 3: Stefon Diggs was posting pictures with some of his other

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Speaker 3: there I apparently there was at least one other new

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Speaker 3: born and then not with Cardi B. So yes, the

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Speaker 3: people were outraged for her. They didn't think she's being

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Speaker 3: treated right. She's probably overwhelmed by a messy family situation

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Speaker 3: you've got we call it a messy one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a family situation, like so many people. It's

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Speaker 2: a mixed family, it's a blended family. There are kids

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Speaker 2: over here, the kids, and it's the holidays. We've done

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Speaker 2: episodes about this period, point blank. But to that point rogues.

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Speaker 2: This is Cardi B, who was very active on social media,

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Speaker 2: who gives fire in her albums a lot of times

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Speaker 2: on her songs. She is used to taking incoming. I

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Speaker 2: thought it said a lot that she put this video out.

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Speaker 3: She seemed extremely vulnerable, extremely frustrated, and hurt and wounded.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing to deal with all of

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Speaker 3: those family pressures personally privately, to now have everyone weighing in,

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Speaker 3: and you know, she felt like they were hating on her.

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Speaker 3: That she was asking people, you just said it, please

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Speaker 3: stop being so mean. Why are y'all being so mean?

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Speaker 3: I wish the best for you? Why are you not

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Speaker 3: doing the same for me? I need your support and I'll.

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Speaker 2: Be honest when I first saw the headlines about her

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Speaker 2: video and then read excerpts of it, I thought one thing,

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Speaker 2: And then when I went back and watched it, it

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Speaker 2: comes off differently. It almost seemed like just I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's laying on a couch, got a head wrap on,

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Speaker 2: and it looks like she just decided something in the

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Speaker 1: It came off a little differently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't all dolled up and doing some big

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Speaker 3: speech about you know, online hate. No, she was real

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Speaker 3: in her home, comfortable and kind of not. It was

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Speaker 3: venting in one way, but it was more you felt

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Speaker 3: sorry for her, Yes, you your heart went out to her.

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Speaker 3: You weren't. It didn't seem like she was as angry

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Speaker 3: as she was hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And we're used to her being angry and her word,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, not a mad person, but she is not.

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Speaker 3: She's tough.

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Speaker 2: She's a tough cookie. She's a tough cookie. So this

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Speaker 2: comes out one day. I think you pointed the video

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Speaker 2: out to me first, so I didn't know what was coming.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. But the very next day,

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend Stefan Digs, superstar pro Bowl level receiver for

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Speaker 2: the now surging and playoff bound New England Patriots. Word

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Speaker 2: now got it. Yesterday happened in court that he is

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Speaker 2: being charged with felony strangulation and misdemeanor assault and battery.

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Speaker 2: The accusation is that he slapped and choked someone who

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Speaker 2: used to work for him, his former chef, And this

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Speaker 2: was all over a financial dispute. And we go through

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Speaker 2: and I say, Stefan Diggs outside of the football world,

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Speaker 2: familiar with him, but certainly more God familiar.

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Speaker 1: When he started dating her, of.

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Speaker 3: Course I didn't obviously not shocking. I did not know

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Speaker 3: who he was. And yes, so his name became much bigger,

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Speaker 3: his fame grew much higher because of Cardi b period.

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Speaker 2: No question, wasn't it the And it might have been

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Speaker 2: a really big deal. Remember what was it on CBS

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Speaker 2: with Gail She announced at the same time what a

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Speaker 2: in a major way.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And she talked about how she was having the

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Speaker 3: she's a busy I mean successful doing well. It seems

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Speaker 2: All right, So again that was the day before we

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Speaker 2: ended up getting word now yesterday about this arrest. So

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Speaker 2: we need to I say, arrest that he is not

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Speaker 2: in custody on his attorney actually made an appearance for him.

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Speaker 2: But it did happen in court yesterday. But Robes, according

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Speaker 2: to the court documents, the incident, and we should say

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Speaker 2: here we are not talking about a civil lawsuit. We

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Speaker 2: are not talking about somebody at this point who has

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Speaker 2: not talking about someone who has even sued to get

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Speaker 2: her money back in this financial dispute. No, she has

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Speaker 2: gone to police and said this guy assaulted me and

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Speaker 2: he is now facing charges. So Robes just goes back

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Speaker 2: to the incident apparently happened December second, according to court documents.

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Speaker 3: Quick, yeah, no, that's right, and I was saying, just

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Speaker 3: to have Cardi B's video put out when it was

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Speaker 3: to soften the news, saying, hey, I already feel stressed

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Speaker 3: knew once this news came out, it was going to

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So the incident again apparently on December second, believe it

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Speaker 2: over whether she should be paid monthly or paid weekly.

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Speaker 2: We won't get into all of that, but this chef

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Speaker 2: does have text message exchanges that she has handed over

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Speaker 2: going on via text. Now that text a few robes

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Speaker 2: is what she described, at least from.

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Speaker 1: This police report.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she said that she felt like she was having

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Speaker 3: doesn't have any pictures of any injuries sustained during that altercation.

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Speaker 3: But police obviously listened to her, saw the text messages

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Speaker 3: and made the decision. And she said she was hesitant

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's a series. This is a serious incident.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's felony strangulation that he's being charged with. She

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Speaker 2: said he slapped her in that room.

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Speaker 1: Anytime he tried.

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Speaker 2: Or she tried to get away from him, he squeezed

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Speaker 2: Now there is something about a non disclosure. I think

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Speaker 2: you might have seen this as well, Robes. That came

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Speaker 2: later she was asked to sign a non disclosure by

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Speaker 1: She refused to do that.

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Speaker 2: Say hey, you sign a non disclosure and he'll pay

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Speaker 2: you your money. She refused, And now here we are,

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Speaker 2: So we are. We've seen a lot of stories and

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Speaker 3: It absolutely does, because if it was about getting money

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Speaker 3: that altercation that she claims happened. Yeah, the fact that

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Speaker 2: She also Robes, and this will I haven't seen her

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Speaker 2: that the woman claims in her police report that she

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Speaker 2: who of course is Cardi B, but didn't name Cardi

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, so that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: And so also now hearing what we heard from Cardi

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Speaker 2: And if it's an incident now where she was involved

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Speaker 2: storyline correct there? And it's going to be. But again

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Speaker 2: we don't know. This is one person making an accusation.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Patriots robes and why the woman says

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Speaker 2: she didn't want to come forward because she knew of

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Speaker 2: the affiliation with the Patriots. And look, the Patriots right

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Speaker 2: now are having that hell of a year. The Patriots

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Speaker 2: right now have secured a playoff spot. The Patriots right

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Speaker 2: and they haven't had a receiver do as well as

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs since I think twenty nineteen or so. This

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Speaker 2: is a big deal for this organization and robes right now,

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Speaker 2: they're standing by their guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes they are. They say they are aware of the accusations.

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Speaker 3: Obviously everybody is right now, but their intimation was they

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Speaker 3: And they made a very strong statement saying Stefan has

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Speaker 3: informed the organization that he categorically denies the allegation. Period.

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Speaker 3: We support Stefan period.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they listened to their guy. He is their

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Speaker 2: family member. He's an important one. Now, if the third

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the statement would be the same.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and if the Patriots were doing as well. I

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Speaker 3: mean they need Steffan Diggs. I mean you can tell

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Speaker 3: me yes, okay in a way that yes, I we

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Speaker 3: fully understand.

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Speaker 2: He to their success and a very young quarterback they have.

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Speaker 2: He is absolutely critical to what they're trying to do,

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Speaker 2: which is win a Super Bowl for the first time

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Speaker 2: since they had a guy named Brady as their quarterback.

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: No, it felt took a lot, and I'm sure some

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Speaker 3: It's a rare type of plea. You like that she's

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