1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: What an unbelievable week. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: Welcome it is Verdict with Ted Cruz, the Week in Review, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: Ben Ferguson with you, and we've got some incredible stories 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: that you may have missed that we talked about. First up, 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: Joe Biden now being accused of witness tampering. The Senator 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: and I talked about that as he went to go 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: meet one of the key witnesses in the case against 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: his son. What do they talk about and what does 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: it mean for the court case that starts this coming week. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: We'll deal with that. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: Also, the Attorney General, Mary Garland says he is proud 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: of the Marlago raid. Will that come back to haunt him? 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: And finally, how will Donald Trump handle the Felon rap 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: when it comes to the Democrats using it against him? 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: What is the strategy to fight back? It's the weekend 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Review and it starts right now, Senator. I want to 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: get to the other big case, and it is a 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: very big case. It is a case that apparently is 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: so Joe nerve wracking the White House. It looks like 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: the President could have been involved in witness tampering ahead 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: of the trial of his son Hunter Biden. 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that yeah, that's right. 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: So this trial begins on Monday, June third. Hunter Biden 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 3: is going to face a federal trial for his gun 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: crimes and one of the key witnesses is going to 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: be Halle Biden. Now who is Halle Biden. Halle Biden 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: is the widow of Bo Biden, Hunter's older brother who 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: tragically passed away of cancer, and also the ex girlfriend 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: of Hunter Biden, and Halle Biden is expected to be 30 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: a key witness. And Sunday night, Joe Biden stopped by 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: Halle's house. It was about eight pm on Sunday night. 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: Joe Biden came by and Halle was dating Hunter at 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: the time of the crimes and one of the expected witnesses. 34 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: She was married to Bo Biden. He died in twenty 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: fifteen of brain cancer. And the prosecutors alleged that Hunter 36 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: lied about his drug use on the gun purchase forms 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: and then that he illegally possessed at least one gun, 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: which Hallie is alleged to have thrown in a public 39 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: dumpster in twenty eighteen. So she's the one who allegedly 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: got rid of the evidence, and so she's not just 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: a witness. She is a central witness in the case, 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: and the White House spokesman when asked about, gosh, why 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: is Joe Biden visiting one of the key witnesses in 44 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: the case against his son eight days before the trial, 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: they said, no, no, no, he visited her because of 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: the approaching ninth anniversary of Bo's passing. Now, I got 47 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: to say that is that strikes me as a highly 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: dubious explanation. It naturally raises the question, gosh, did he 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: did he visit Halley before the eighth anniversary? Before the 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: seventh anniversary is sixth, fifth, fourth, third, second, first, And 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: if he did, I'm unaware of it. And you certainly 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: would think the White House if if that was their 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 3: line and he had a visitor at any time previously, 54 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: you sure do think the White House would have pointed 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: it out. But they didn't. And I got to say, 56 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: for the President of the United States, listen, when the 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: president travels, the president never travels quietly. It's not subtle. 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: You come in with a motorcade with secret service, and 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: so for him to go it's it's brazen. It is 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, and the Biden family feels that they are 61 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: not bound. They behave as if they feel that they're 62 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 3: not bound by criminal law, by any any restrictions, that 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: that he's entitled to go. And the natural prison sumption 64 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: is that he had a conversation with her about what 65 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: she was going to say when she testifies. 66 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it would be important. Hey we want to 67 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: know what you're going to say, or Hey, here's what 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: we need you to say. If anyone else was in 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: this scenario, what traditionally would happen when before a trial 70 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: if everyone found out about the same way we did, 71 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: regardless of an alibi, If Trump would have done this 72 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: if I was on trial or you were on trial 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: and we were going to meet with somebody that's about 74 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: to be a witness and testimony for a kid, like, 75 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: what would happen? 76 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: Well, you would expect the judge to make an inquiry 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: of why were you Why were you meeting with this person? 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: Who expect the prosecutor to make an inquiry as to 79 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: why were you meeting with this witness? Did you discuss 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: did you discuss what her testimony was going to be? 81 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: So? 82 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 3: Witness temp tampering is attempting to improperly influence or change 83 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: the testimony of a witness within criminal proceedings, and it 84 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: we don't know that that happened. But the United States 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: a federal crime of witness tampering. It's decided defined by statute. 86 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: It's eighteen USC. Section fifteen twelve, which is entitled quote 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant, and it 88 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: describes witness tampering is a crime even if the proceeding 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 3: is not pending, and it is a criminal offense even 90 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: if you are unsuccessful in your attempt to tamper. In 91 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: other words, if you try to convince the witness, hey, 92 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: you know, it really help if you testify to X, 93 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: even though X isn't the case. The witness might not 94 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: do what you said, but it is still witness tampering. 95 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: And and that's a natural question. Now, I'm quite confident 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice is not going to inquire of 97 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: Joe Biden. What conversation did you have with a witness? 98 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: They might ask her, It is possible they ask her, 99 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: but I think there's no indication that the DOJ or 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: the trial court is goet even ask what Joe Biden 101 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: said to her. 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the media was silent on this, excluding Fox News, 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: which broke this story. 104 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Here's how they reported it. 105 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 5: President Biden also made a surprise, unannounced stop at Halle 106 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 5: Biden's house in Delaware last night. She is bo Biden's 107 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 5: widow and Hunter Biden's ex girlfriend, who was also set 108 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 5: to testify in Hunter Biden's gun trial in Delaware that 109 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 5: begins next week. White House officials are saying this presidential 110 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 5: visit to her house had nothing to do with that testimony. 111 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 5: They say it has to do with the upcoming ninth 112 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 5: anniversary of bo Biden's passing. 113 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: Jillian all Right, by the way, how often does the 114 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: President United States of America make a surprise, unannounced visit 115 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: in and around Washington, d C. In a massive motorcade. 116 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: That has not happen very often. 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: So, look, it is certainly possible. Presidents do have family, 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: they visit their family. So I don't know the frequency 119 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: with which Joe Biden visits other members of the family, 120 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: and that presidents do that. What they don't do with 121 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: great frequency is do it right before you do it 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: when you're meeting with a key witness who is about 123 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: to testify in the trial against your son. That that 124 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: is a dramatically different context, and it raises obvious questions, 125 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: questions that the media seems completely uninterested in asking, and 126 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: that I expect the Biden Department of Justice is completely 127 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: uninterested in asking. 128 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: I was asked this question the other day and I 129 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: hadn't actually thought about it yet. And I was asked 130 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: this question when I was on Fox and they said, 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: if Hunter Biden is convicted at either of these trials, 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: will it have any impact on the presidential election. My 133 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: personal opinion, I said, is instantly, I was like, no, 134 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think most people know who 135 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden is. They know he clearly has been trading 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: off the family's name. They know he's a drug He 137 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: was a drug addic and did a lot of really 138 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: bad things. We've seen the laptop. It's pretty darn clear. 139 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: Well it knows believe it's going to make a difference. 140 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: So in the presential action, do you believe that it 141 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: will or won't. 142 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 143 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: And there's a second trial that is set to begin 144 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: in September. It's in Los Angeles and it's for allegedly 145 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: failing to pay more than one point four million dollars 146 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: in federal taxes from twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen. So 147 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: you'll have two different trials that are scheduled. Listen, if 148 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 3: the president's son is convicted. And now remember, initially DOJ 149 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: tried to give him a sweetheart deal where he wouldn't 150 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: go to jail, and ultimately that fell apart. Hunter originally 151 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: agreed to a probation only deal to both the gun 152 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: and tax crimes in June, but he walked away from 153 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: the sweetheart deal at a July court hearing where his 154 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: attorneys demanded broad immunity a past conduct of all past conduct, 155 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: including violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, which could 156 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: implicate his father. And so he walked away from a 157 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: deal that would have gotten him largely scott free, but 158 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: it wasn't. And remember, I think that the judge may 159 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: well have signed off on that deal, but there was 160 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 3: enormous public scrutiny on it, and I think that the 161 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: judge decided, now, we can't do this well. 162 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: And even then he was going to admit he was 163 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: guilty in that deal. So there's also it's been out 164 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: there in the media like, hey, he was going to 165 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: to get the deal. Many he was guilty of these 166 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: two crimes, which in many ways insulated his father. 167 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: So if he's convicted this. 168 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: Time, I'm not sure with a lot of Democratic voters 169 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: it'll matter. 170 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. 171 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: Look, I don't think that that Hunter Biden is guilty 172 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: of gun crimes and tax evasions. Any rational person knows 173 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: that our ready, that's kind of maked into the cake. 174 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: I agree with you, It doesn't alter the election. What 175 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: this has always been about is protecting Joe and the relevance. 176 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: We've talked about this a lot, although it's been a 177 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: while since we've talked about on the podcast. Look, Hunter 178 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: Biden is not someone of public interest, separate and apart 179 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: from his father. You know, he is a troubled soul 180 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: who seems to have struggled his whole life, which is 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: the entire White House defense that he has substance abuse 182 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 3: problems and he's just had a hard time. And I 183 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: don't have no reason to doubt that. That surely seems 184 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: to be the case. But the reason it is a 185 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: public import is that the evidence at this point keeps 186 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: piling up that his entire business model was selling favors 187 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: from his father, was corruption. The reason this matters is 188 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, not Hunter Biden, and these two trials are 189 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: designed to insulate and protect Joe Biden, not to bring 190 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: him in at all, And as long as Joe Biden 191 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: is not directly implicated, I don't think Hunter's being convicted 192 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 3: will have any material effect on the election. Listen, if 193 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: his son goes to jail, that may be a very 194 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: difficult thing personally for Joe Biden and emotionally for Joe Biden. 195 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the Biden doj 196 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: succeeded in what I think its principal goal was, which 197 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 3: is protecting the big guy and ensuring that there's no 198 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: investigation into corruption by the sitting president. 199 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: Final question on this, what is the possibility of pardons 200 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: for Hunter Biden by his father. 201 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: Before the election? I think zero. After the election. I 202 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: think if Trump wins, I would wager large sums of 203 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 3: money before he leaves off as Joe Biden pardons his son. 204 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: And there'd be no political fallout for him because he's 205 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: not running for reelection again. 206 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's leaving, it would be I would be 207 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: a Bill Clinton Midnight pardon special. And I think, particularly 208 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: if he loses, it's almost a no brainer that Joe 209 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 3: Biden would do it. He might even do it if 210 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: he wins but there it's a more costly decision because 211 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: he'd pay a political price for it, even if as 212 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: he was starting a second term. 213 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 214 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 215 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two, Let's 216 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: remind people of Merrick Garland's own words. He was very 217 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: proud of this raid. In August, yes twenty twenty two. 218 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: He went out there, Justice Department insignia behind him, the 219 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: just Department flag to his left, the American flag to 220 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: his right, and he told the world in a live report, 221 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: everyone carried it this. 222 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 7: There are, however, certain points I want you to know. First, 223 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 7: personally approve the decision to seek a search warrant in 224 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 7: this matter. Second, the department does not take such a decision. 225 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Lately, clearly not, Senator, because they were planning for the 226 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: use of deadly force to possibly be used. 227 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: So let me give a caveat defending this in a 228 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: tiny respect, and then let me take that caveat away. 229 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: The caveat I would give is this sort of authorization. 230 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: An authorization of use of deadly force is standard when 231 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: the FBI is exercising a search warrant. Look, if you're 232 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: exercising a search warrant in any context, if you're going 233 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 3: to a drug dealer's house or something else, there is 234 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: a risk of armed resistance, and so an authorization of 235 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: deadly forces is typical with a search warrant. That's the 236 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: caveat Now I'm going to take back every syllable of 237 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: every word of what I just said. Holy crap, this 238 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: was the President of the United States. Are you out 239 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: of your mind? Like like like this is And for 240 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: Merrick Garland to say I personally approved it the absolute 241 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: hubris of this administration. Listen, Merrick Garland is drunk with power. 242 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: He believes he should be on the Supreme Court, and 243 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: he is engaged in a global revenge tour against everyone 244 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: he thinks who wronged him. But is there no judgment 245 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: on the part of the Attorney General. Is there no 246 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: judgment on the part of the Deputy Attorney General? Is 247 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: there no judgment on the part of any advisors anywhere 248 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: at DOJ? Is there no judgment on the part of 249 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: the head of the FBI. Is there no judgment on 250 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: the on the part of anyone involved in this process 251 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: to say, you know this guy was the president of 252 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: the United States Secret Services guarding him for a reason. Yeah, 253 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: maybe we should not be authorizing deadly forced like can 254 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: you imagine listen, well, can you teach. 255 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: You the chain of command? Just for people to understand this. 256 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Merrick Garland's over the FBI. But also isn't he over 257 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: the Secret Service as well? 258 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: Is that not under his No? 259 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: No, Actually, Secret Service reports us, so they're in different 260 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: different silos. 261 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: So but wouldn't he be talking or realizing that he's 262 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: setting them up for a war? 263 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, and listen, it is difficult 264 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: to imagine. Look, who knows what happens. But the idea 265 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: that okay, if Secret Service resists, you guys go like that, 266 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: there is no sense. And this reminds me back at 267 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: the beginning of Crossfire Hurricane. Crossfire Hurricane, you remember, was 268 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: the DOJ and FBI targeting the Trump campaign back when 269 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: he was a candidate. They went after him, and they 270 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: went in and wire tapped him, and they went after 271 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Carter Page and they created fraudulent documents that they use 272 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: to get a warrant from the FISA court. I mean, 273 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: it was a grotesque abuse of power that the Department 274 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: of Justice Inspector General detailed in very painstaking detail, and. 275 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: The media gave cover because they said Donald Trump was 276 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: crazy to imply that he was being spied on, his 277 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: campaign was being spied on. 278 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: They said he was a lunatic. In fact, he was right, 279 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: the entire team. 280 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: He was exactly right. But look, when you go back 281 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: to the launch of Crossfire Hurricane part of the problem, 282 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: and this goes to DOJ during Obama when this all 283 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: started an FBI during Obama, there were no adults in 284 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: the room. Listen, there are circumstances you could imagine where 285 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: a criminal investigation, a search, warrant of prosecution has to 286 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: be authorized against a high level government official, but especially 287 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: when that high level official is in the opposing party, 288 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: especially when that high level official is the leading candidate 289 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: for the party and the likely opponent for the sitting president. 290 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: When you're going after your political opposition, the threshold for 291 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: anything should be extraordinarily high. And it wasn't at all 292 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 3: based on some ridiculous, half baked OPO research paid for 293 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: by the Hillary Clinton campaign that contained the notorious p 294 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: tape and all that nonsense, which has all been debunked. 295 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: We now know it was all made up. But look, 296 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: when the Hillary Clinton campaign pays over a million bucks 297 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: to make up OPO research, they come up with some 298 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: creative stuff. 299 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: When you look at this, this is going to be 300 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: and it has to be. I would assume a major 301 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: campaign issue, especially in the presidential campaign. I can't imagine 302 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: this not coming up with the presidential debates. 303 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: But there also seems to be panic right now. 304 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: In response to this, Jim Comey went on MSNBC and 305 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: said this, take a listen. 306 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 8: Are you concerned that it may get a test unlike 307 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 8: any other if Donald Trump is reelected. I mean, when 308 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 8: you think about a second Trump administration, what do you 309 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 8: think the implications would be for the FBI? 310 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 4: Oh? Serious, for the Justice Department and the FBI, because 311 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: Trump is coming for those institutions. He knows their power, 312 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: and I think he has regrets that he didn't work 313 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 4: hard enough to corrupt them last time. So he's coming 314 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: for them, and that's a danger for all Americans. He's 315 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 4: going to put people in positions in those organizations. He 316 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: didn't have all stars the last time. He'll have the 317 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: bottom of the barrel this time, but people who will 318 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 4: want to do his will, and that should weary every American. 319 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 4: This election matters because of a reason like that. People 320 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: have to participate. You cannot sit on the sideline. I 321 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 4: don't care how you feel about Joe Biden. You must 322 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 4: vote for him because the consequences on the other side 323 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: are too severe. 324 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: I don't care how you feel about Joe Biden, you 325 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: must vote for him. That's the former FBI director saying 326 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: that Senator. 327 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: Well, and when he talks about corrupting the FBI, I 328 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: will say, you know, listen, I would admit Jim Comy 329 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: as an expert witness at any trial on the planet 330 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: on corrupting the FBI, because he was front and center. 331 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: He did exactly that. He was the point person behind 332 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: weaponizing the FBI. Jim Comy is someone who fancies himself 333 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: I believe to be j Edgar Hoover. He had delusions 334 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: of power. It is one of the gravest mistakes of 335 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 3: the first term of the Trump presidency that Trump did 336 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: not fire Jim Comy on January twentieth, twenty seventeen, the 337 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 3: first day in office. He should have said, thank you 338 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: for your service to the nation. Your services are no 339 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: longer needed. Nobody would have blinked but the White House 340 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 3: foolishly thought they could get Komy to be part of 341 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 3: the administration to do his job, to not be a disloyal, 342 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: power hungry snake, and they were wrong. He's continuing to 343 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: do that. And by the way, let's understand there's an 344 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: enormous amount of CYA in Komy and that he's very 345 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: afraid if they have accountability at the FBI that his 346 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: personal rear end is in the sling. And so that's 347 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: he's like, please, please, please make sure you put people 348 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: in power that cover up for me and that continue 349 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 3: the corruption of the FBI and continue weaponizing it to 350 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: attack their enemies, because that's what I did, and I 351 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: don't want to be held for account That's among the 352 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: most self interested testimony I've ever heard. 353 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: Final question on this now, knowing what we know about 354 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: the raid, is it warranted and justifiable if Donald Trump 355 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 2: is elected again, for him to go in in thoroughly 356 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: clean house in these institutions? 357 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: Warranted, justifiable, and incredibly necessary. What has happened is we 358 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: have hardcore partisans who have corrupted these institutions from the inside. 359 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: They occupy senior positions in the career bureaucracy and If 360 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: Trump is reelected, and I hope and pray that he is, 361 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 3: he needs to point serious, strong leaders at DOJ, at 362 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet soup of 363 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: the administration who understand what they're doing, who have the 364 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 3: seriousness of purpose to go in and clean them out, 365 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: because we need to restore the institution. Listen that there 366 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: are some some Republican, some conservatives that say things like 367 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: abolish the FBI. I'm not in that camp. Why Because 368 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: the FBI is enormously important. The FBI does hugely important 369 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: things like finding and catching terrorists and stopping them from 370 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: killing Americans. It does hugely important things like finding kidnappers 371 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 3: and child predators and going after the mafia and mobsters 372 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: and going after Mexican drug cartels like all of that 373 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 3: is really damn important, and I don't want to blow 374 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: that up. What I want to do is restore the 375 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: integrity of the FBI and the DOJ by getting the 376 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 3: partisans out of office who have corrupted it. As you know, 377 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: Chris Ray, the current director of the FBI, I've known 378 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: for twenty five years. 379 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: Chris. 380 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: Interestingly, Chris is not a liberal, He's a Republican. He 381 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: still considers himself a Republican to this day. Chris's problem, 382 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 3: I believe, is that he is a company man. Now look, 383 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: Donald Trump put him in that position, he appointed him 384 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: to that position. Chris is a company man, and he 385 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: is He and I have had screaming arguments on this 386 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: where he believes it is his job as administrator of 387 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: the FBI, director of the FBI to defend the career 388 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 3: leaders at the FBI, and I've told him, Chris, you 389 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: are not defending the institution of the FBI if you 390 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: support people who are corrupting it and destroying its integrity. 391 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: What does it tell you that half of America doesn't 392 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: trust the institution anymore because you've been so politicized, and 393 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: he has proven utterly incapable of seeing it and even 394 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: less capable of taking it on and stopping as before. 395 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 2: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 396 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: on this topic, you can go back and dow the 397 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing. 398 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: I want to get back to the big story number 399 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: three of the week. 400 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: You may have missed. 401 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: You've been in a lot of debates, Senator, and you've 402 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: been on the presidential debate stage. 403 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: You debated Donald Trump. 404 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: But I and I one of my things that I 405 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: love is debate prep, and I was putting myself in 406 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: the room tonight mentally. All Right, if I'm in the 407 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: room before the debate with Joe Biden, I know Joe 408 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: Biden at some point is going to look over at 409 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and say, well, you're a convicted felon. How 410 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: does Trump respond to that? And that's I mean, that's 411 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: a pretty hardcore line that they have been obsessed with, 412 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 2: and they've got it. Now, how do you overcome that 413 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: when there's people watching that I'm sure are going to 414 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: watch this thing and maybe just engage the very first time. 415 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: Weren't watching the trial. Don't understand how corrupt it was. 416 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: Don't understand how these charges shouldn't have ever been used, 417 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: how they change things to get rid of the Senchul limitations, 418 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: how the federal government didn't bring these charges eight years 419 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: ago for a reason. I mean, all of that they've missed, 420 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: and they look at the president sitting president, Look at 421 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: Don Drungle, You're a convicted felon. 422 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: What do you do with that? 423 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 6: Well, look, I think the Biden debate prep team is 424 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 6: going to spend a lot of time trying to convince 425 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 6: Bides and try to help Biden not to seem like 426 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 6: a smug soop. His instinct is going to be smug 427 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 6: and sanctimonias and to rub Trump's face Trump's face in it. 428 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 6: I think that is a bad look for Biden if 429 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 6: he does, and my prediction is they'll fail. By the 430 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: way that Biden can't resist being smug and sanctimonious on this, 431 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 6: I think he probably just will. But if his debating 432 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 6: prep team is any good, they will try to get 433 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 6: him to resist that. On Trump's side on this whole 434 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 6: topic and more broadly, on everything in the debate, I 435 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 6: think they're gonna try to stop Trump from just being 436 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 6: volcanically angry. Look, Trump typically engages in very little debate prep. 437 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 6: He is not. You're right, I have debated Trump many, many, 438 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 6: many times. She doesn't engage in extensive debate prep to 439 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 6: the extent they have debate prep. I think the team 440 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 6: around him, if they're any good, likely will try to 441 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 6: get him to be calm and matter of fact and 442 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 6: not angry and cambative. If you go back and look 443 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 6: at the twenty twenty debates, the first debate Trump was 444 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 6: angry and combative, and that many observers believe that that 445 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 6: hurt Trump because he was too angry and combative in 446 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 6: the debate. I think that will be an instinct here. 447 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 6: And Trump has reason to be pissed. Look, he was 448 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 6: just railroad. He was railroaded by a kangaroo court. Any 449 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 6: natural person and any person's natural reaction would be pissed. 450 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 6: And Trump is not someone who generally his emotions. You know, 451 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 6: I'm reminded of back back in two thousand. So we 452 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 6: were talking about First versus four earlier in the pods 453 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 6: after Bushman, after the Supreme Court resolved the case, and 454 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 6: after he came in, he appointed his Attorney General, John Ashcroft, 455 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 6: and I was part of the team that prepared John 456 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 6: Ashcroft for his confirmation hearings, and so we looted John 457 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 6: Ashcroft multiple times first confirmation hearings his attorney general. And 458 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 6: you know, I'm young at this point, thirty year old lawyer, 459 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 6: and there were several of us in the room, but 460 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 6: we would try to get it noxious with Ashcroft and 461 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 6: the preparation for confirmation. We tried to piss him off. 462 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 6: We try to insult it. And in the prop sessions. 463 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 6: He would blow his top, he'd yell at us, he'd 464 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 6: get mad, and we were asking if noxious questions and 465 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 6: he would scream at us. And then we'd say, okay, senator, 466 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 6: because he a senator at the time. With the enator, 467 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 6: I get what you're saying. You're right, that was a 468 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 6: totally unfair question, is completely wrong. You're perfectly justified yelling 469 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 6: with us. Here's the problem. They don't have the votes 470 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 6: to defeat you right now. The only way they'd beat 471 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 6: your confirmation is if they provoked you to say something 472 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 6: stupid at the hearing, and what you say, thanks your nomination. 473 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 6: And so we worked with him. We said, Okay, yell 474 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 6: at us, get all of your anger out of us. 475 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 6: But when you get into hearing, don't yell at the senators. 476 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 6: Give them nothing because they have nothing to defeat you, 477 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 6: and they can only win as if should give it 478 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 6: to them. So you fast forward to the hearing, and 479 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 6: you had Democrat senators that just made fool to themselves. 480 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 6: I remember Ted Kennedy at one point, leaning forward, he 481 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 6: was reading something Ashcroft has read about the Second Amendment, 482 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 6: and he talked about the Second Amendment be as the 483 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 6: framers as James Mattison, another Framers, wrote about it a 484 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 6: check on tyranny and Ted Kennedy and his Boston Brahmin 485 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: boys goes taranny in the United States. What you know 486 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 6: what that is? That is treason, I tell you treason. 487 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 6: And John Ashcroft, to his credit, he had Ted Kennedy 488 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 6: screaming at him and calling him a trainer. And John 489 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 6: Ashcroft said, Senator, it's confirmed as Attorney General, I will 490 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 6: follow the law. And I don't know that. His heartbeat 491 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 6: got about sixty five and he got confirmed. You know 492 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: John Ashcroft, Well, you and here are good friends. 493 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of my mentors. 494 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 6: Yes, his confirmation hearing, he didn't take debate, I promise you. 495 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 6: In the prep sessions he did it got it out 496 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 6: of his system. I think the Trump debate prep sessions 497 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 6: will be similar. They will try to get that out 498 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 6: of his system. I don't know if it will succeed. 499 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: Final question for you on this, and it deals with 500 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you 501 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: can separate what this judge did from the corruption of 502 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left 503 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: the DOJ to go work on this case. We know 504 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: that Alvin Bragg ran on this, We know he raised 505 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: money off of it. We know that this judge has 506 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising 507 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. 508 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: Uh. 509 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: And this all was orchestrated from from the Biden administration down. 510 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from 511 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: it like this is we stood back. We were just 512 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: watching the wills of justice and and and and and 513 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: a man be found accountable by a jury of his peers. 514 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: That is clearly going to be their line. But make 515 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: no mistake, none of this would have happened. And without 516 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: the direction, uh of Biden. I said, today America has 517 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: its own Vladimir Putin. Now his name is is Biden. 518 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: Joe Biden is America's Putin right now going after his 519 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: political opponent and trying to lock them up. 520 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 6: You know, in law, if you look at something like 521 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 6: anti trust law, there's a concept in law called conscious parallelism, 522 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 6: which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly. 523 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 6: But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting 524 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 6: according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin 525 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 6: Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I 526 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 6: agree that the Biden Joe Biden has been dictatorially's abused 527 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 6: his power. But I think Alvin Bragg is a petty 528 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 6: dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran 529 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 6: on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the 530 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 6: first indictment. I think a lot of Democrats are kind 531 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 6: of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy. 532 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 6: They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately, 533 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 6: the Biden do OJ. They sent the number three lawyer 534 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 6: at d OJ, who had been a Democrat donor before 535 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 6: in a Democrat themselves, and they sent him to be 536 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 6: part of the trial team. So the bidend Oj got 537 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 6: in bed with this partisan prosecution. But but I'm not 538 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 6: convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of 539 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 6: the White House. I just think he hates Trump scuts. 540 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 6: So does everyone in the bidend Oj Biden White House. 541 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 6: So does Fanny Willis down in Georgia, so does just 542 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 6: about every wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't 543 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 6: say it as as much a direction from the White 544 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 6: House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump 545 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 6: derangement syndrome, where they're willing to burn it all down, 546 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 6: to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice 547 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 6: system because they hate Trump so much, and they've convinced 548 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 6: themselves if he is re elected, if he's president, it's 549 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 6: the end of democracy. I mean, we played on Wednesday's 550 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 6: Pot Robert de Niro going on and on that'll be 551 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 6: the last election ever if Trump is elected, which is 552 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 6: just it's arranged. It's unhim. But I don't think de 553 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 6: Niro is lying in that. I think he believes every 554 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 6: word he says. I suspect Alvin Brad does too, and 555 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 6: I suspect the Biden White House that DOJ does as well. 556 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: Final question. You're a poll guy. I love polls. I 557 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: want your prediction. The first major polls that come out 558 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: after this verdict has obviously come down, will they show 559 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump starts to lose momentum. Do you think 560 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: he'll go backwards in the polls nationally or in swing states? 561 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: Do you think this could even backfire more because you 562 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: did say, and I agreed with you, that if they 563 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: indict make him more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. 564 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: That happened when the court case started. You said it's 565 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: gonna make people solidify their support behind Donald Trump. But 566 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: now that he has the he's a convicted felon around 567 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: his neck, and that will be what happens in the polls. 568 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 6: So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment, 569 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 6: I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth 570 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 6: ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's 571 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 6: in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten. 572 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 6: That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's 573 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 6: a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls, 574 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 6: and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even 575 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 6: some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time. 576 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 6: The general election, it's a little harder. I think most 577 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 6: of the views on both sides are baked in. 578 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 8: But if you. 579 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 6: Forced me to make a prediction, my prediction right now 580 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 6: is Trump. I think it is mildly beneficial for Trump 581 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 6: and the polls. I don't think it is major league 582 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 6: because I think most of the people on both sides 583 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 6: are baked in and it almost doesn't matter at this point. 584 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 6: They're not moving. But if you, if you press me, 585 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 6: I would say, I don't think it's gonna cause for 586 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 6: showing the polls, and I would say I think it's 587 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 6: likely to be a mile positive benefit for Trump of 588 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 6: the Poles. 589 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center 590 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to down 591 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: with my podcast and you can listen to my podcast 592 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 593 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: day when you listen to Verdict. 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