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Speaker 1: Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.

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Speaker 2: Joe Jonas is here Today is to day, Friday, July nineteenth,

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Speaker 2: the release of Work It Out. It's out today.

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Speaker 1: What a song. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: It feels good to sing it a song to be

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Speaker 2: back here with you guys. What's good to have you here,

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Speaker 2: just like home. It's good to have you here without

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Speaker 2: those other two. So yeah, I'm glad the other guys

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Speaker 2: are not here. Yeah, I know, screwing up. I heard you,

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to play work it Out in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's no secret that at one point this

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Speaker 2: song could have been a song for all of you,

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Speaker 2: or a song for Dnce Potent even and I heard that.

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Speaker 2: Nick actually thought, oh, this is our new song, and

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Speaker 2: you're like, what was that conversation in life?

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Speaker 1: So technically it was a different song. But the story

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Speaker 1: goes when we were working probably four or five months

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Speaker 1: ago for More Brothers music. I started working with this

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Speaker 1: guy Alexander twenty three, producer musician Justin Tranner, who I

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Speaker 1: wrote Kick by the Ocean with, and another writer Bo

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Speaker 1: and we worked on a song called only Love, and

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Speaker 1: that song I just felt so close to and I

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Speaker 1: couldn't really find out. I couldn't figure out why. I

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Speaker 1: felt like it wasn't right for the brothers and I

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Speaker 1: wasn't right for DNC, and I kind of selfish. It

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Speaker 1: was like, I want to create something. I have a

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Speaker 1: lot to say. I don't feel comfortable with other people

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Speaker 1: being the voice of these songs. So I kind of

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Speaker 1: had to sit down. Nick was gonna go do a

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Speaker 1: movie with Paul Rudd, Kevin got another season claiming fame,

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Speaker 1: and then I was like, hey, and I also been

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Speaker 1: wanting to write some music. You guys cool with that,

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Speaker 1: and I want to take that song you really liked.

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Speaker 1: Nick was like, well, damn, I really like that song.

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Speaker 1: But fine, So that started the kind of journey for

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Speaker 1: me to kind of create a new album.

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Speaker 2: So there's no vicious fight over a song. Oh there

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Speaker 2: was a viscious I mean it was a lot of blood. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's a reason they're out here. But you know what,

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Speaker 2: we go through these different chapters in our lives where

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Speaker 2: we have the challenges, we have the great things in

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Speaker 2: the sad things, the scary things, and at those times

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Speaker 2: I wish we all had songwriting capabilities. I wish we

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Speaker 2: could all sit down and do an album. And obviously

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Speaker 2: this album is a very personal thing. It comes at

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Speaker 2: an interesting time in your life. And I'm just reading

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Speaker 2: over some of the things you've said in other interviews

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Speaker 2: about how you wake up and to go, Okay, if

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Speaker 2: I don't start controlling my life now, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be like craziness forever. And so you came to this

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Speaker 2: point in your life where this album is sort of

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Speaker 2: reflecting that in your life.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, I mean, it's very therapeutic for me, and I

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Speaker 1: agree with you. I'm so grateful that I have music

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Speaker 1: as such like a tool to be able to use

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Speaker 1: as an output. I mean, obviously I think therapy is

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Speaker 1: great and talking to somebody's great friends, family, but ultimately

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Speaker 1: as creators that we can put pen to paper and

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Speaker 1: feel like we can release it and sometimes share it

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Speaker 1: with the world, sometimes just keep it for yourself. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, great, I needed to do that for myself

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Speaker 1: and for athletes is going to run. For myself, I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy that I have music. And you know, this

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Speaker 1: last year doing our tour, seventy plus songs each night

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Speaker 1: or sixty I think sixty nine, so nice songs. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of times where I was I would

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Speaker 1: go through the set list and I'm like, God, I

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Speaker 1: really don't want to play this one. But then you

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Speaker 1: perform it and see how it affects somebody in the audience,

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Speaker 1: and like, how lucky am I that I get to

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Speaker 1: do this for almost twenty some years. There you go

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Speaker 1: and I get to make people feel something, whether if

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Speaker 1: it's emotional or you realize, wow, that's their song that

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Speaker 1: got them through that difficult time. So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: create something that was like, look, if this helps somebody

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Speaker 1: else through what they're going through, great and work it out.

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Speaker 1: Is essentially that it's the idea of a conversation you

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Speaker 1: can have with yourself in the mirror where you're like, look,

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Speaker 1: you're going through. You got to shake it off yourself

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Speaker 1: and figure this out. And then it's kind of explaining

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Speaker 1: it to other people and saying, all right, I've gone

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Speaker 1: and in like a pop rock fun way that you

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Speaker 3: To that So I love the heavy lyrics, so like

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of my favorite songs of all time.

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Speaker 1: Are are really heavy lyrics with happy music, and until

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Speaker 2: That sometimes you write a song or an artist. An

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Speaker 2: artist will write a song and it really is I

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Speaker 2: got to get this out of my system, and it

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Speaker 2: really is just kind of lashing out of the whole

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Speaker 2: world about how I hate people. I just I just

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Speaker 2: need to. And they performed these songs at their concerts

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Speaker 2: thinking I just crept all over our audience emotionally, just

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Speaker 4: Ever written one? And you're like, yeah, this one I'm

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Speaker 4: this one under my pillow from me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, that's funny you say that there was

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Speaker 1: a song I was thinking about recently and I played

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Speaker 1: for some of the record labels that are in the hallway,

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Speaker 1: and this is years ago, and I was going through

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Speaker 1: something and I wrote this song just like I was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I was really angry about a situation and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what do you guys think, And they're like, well, it's cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll want to have this released

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Speaker 1: and like or have to be thinking about this in

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Speaker 1: a year and I was like, you know, you're right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't want to create an enemy out

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Speaker 1: of something that you know. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it was for me and that's what I have. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm happy I created it, but I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like sometimes it's necessary for it all to be

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Speaker 2: Maybe next album, right, next album. Joe Jonas here has

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Speaker 2: his music to you know, as his therapy and in

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Speaker 2: his cathartic moments. What do we have? I've got nothing.

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Speaker 2: You've got Gandhi has our artwork.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's great. What do you have?

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Speaker 4: I feel like when I'm pissed off, I put music

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Speaker 4: on it and just like dance to it.

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Speaker 2: But what do you Okay? So that's how you get

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Speaker 2: it out? I know you. This is why I'm fed up.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I need something other than eating, you know, and for

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Speaker 2: a walk with your dogs alone.

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Speaker 1: That alone, probably okay. I about reading.

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Speaker 2: I like to read born drinking. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise a therapy little hooker hookers and blow it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Now that's the name of your hit song.

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Speaker 2: I should show more gratitude for these things. Anyway. So

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Speaker 2: you've been out on the road and continue to be

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Speaker 2: on the road with your brother.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much are doing shows on the weekends. But after

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Speaker 1: what we just did, it feels like a walk in

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Speaker 1: the park. To be honest, we'd played the Calgary Stampede

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Speaker 1: last weekend. It's just wild.

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Speaker 2: Well, didn't your debut work it out at that show?

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Speaker 1: I did, yeah, Which is funny because on paper, you're like,

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Speaker 1: like this, and it was. It's always a little nerve

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Speaker 1: wrecking playing something new, you know. I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: I really hope the idea. You're like, this is great,

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Speaker 1: lyrics and expected from just like even TikTok you know,

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Speaker 1: you you sample some of the song and there they

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Speaker 1: learn it, which is kind of crazy, but was a rodeo.

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Speaker 1: It's a technically a stampede, not a rodeo.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the difference, but the difference.

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Speaker 1: There's like one hundred thousand people that show up for

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Speaker 1: this all most of Canada goes and it's like a

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Speaker 2: It was great. So the album Music for People who

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Speaker 2: Believe in Love is coming out when October nineteenth. Okay, right,

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Speaker 2: And so going back to something you said earlier about

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Speaker 1: I've got a couple of those.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay. There's the whole point when someone writes an

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Speaker 2: where it was at that moment in time. And sure

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Speaker 1: But really a good point.

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Speaker 2: This one came about pretty fast.

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Speaker 1: Though it did come pretty fast. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 1: I played it short a friend yesterday, the guy that

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Speaker 1: I was doing a song with him yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: it's like really interesting because I feel like the genre wise,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, that's perfect. This is exactly what

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. I went on a road trip

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Speaker 1: it's important for I guess listeners of any artists, you

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Speaker 1: be now six months removed, two years removed from when

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Speaker 1: seat of like, this is where I was emotionally personally,

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Speaker 1: it was confusing and I was trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: who I am and kind of getting to know myself again.

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Speaker 1: And here I am. So it's it's exciting and also

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Speaker 1: I think probably my favorite thing, and this is more

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Speaker 1: features on this project than I think any any Brothers

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Speaker 1: or solo stuff we've done. I think there's about seven

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Speaker 1: or eight features on this album, which is wild. I

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Speaker 1: reached out to a lot of friends and just said, hey, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan and I would love to send you

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Speaker 1: a song if you're interested. So I can't wait for

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Speaker 2: We're going to hold that information back until the release

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Speaker 2: of the albums.

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Speaker 2: There we have it. We got to play the song.

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Speaker 2: Of course, give me the album release date again, October nineteenth.

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Speaker 2: That's music for people who believe in love. But today

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Speaker 1: Yes, we make it easy for me. I'm so badhood

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Speaker 2: Oh they're other saying that the date's wrong. See you

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Speaker 2: October eighteenth. But today, Friday, July nineteenth, we gave you

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Speaker 2: the first cut. Of course, Uh, work it out crazy.

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Speaker 2: Are you already writing your new album?

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty much done.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on more. And then I was in this

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Speaker 1: like slow down or take big breaks. So if you're

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Speaker 2: As they say, don't stop running because it'll catch up

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Speaker 2: to you. Keep going.

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Speaker 1: Nice. That's scary, but I like it.

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Speaker 2: It is frightening.

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Speaker 1: We'll leave on that note.

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Speaker 2: We'll leave on let down our note. Thanks Elvis, Joe Jonas,

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Speaker 2: this is work it out. Thanks for coming in, Joe.

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