1 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Last episode, we talked about the fossil fuel industry's plan 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: to make up for any revenue it might lose as 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: the world transitions away from its products in the residential 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: and transport sectors. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Petrochemicals has become a kind of mantra for the oil 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: industry that thank goodness for petrochemicals, because you know, that's 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: where all the growth lies. And it's quite interesting if 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: you take the data now from VP and the IA, 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: probably the two leading forecasters of the entire system, then 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: from our calculations, about half the growth of oil demand 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: in the next twenty years in the IA numbers is 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: actually from plastics, and suppressingly enough, it's basically all of 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: the growth in oil demand today. 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: We're going to dig a bit further into the industry's 15 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: plan on this front, because just a couple of weeks 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: before that episode came out, a team of journalists from 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: the UK revealed the fruits of an undercover investigation they've 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: been running for years, a video and a companying article 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: in which two former high level lobbyists for Exon Mobile 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: walked through every step of how the company messages and 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: lobbies on climate policy and environmental regulations. 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: I'm Lawrence Carsa. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: I'm an investative reporter for Unearthed, which is an investative 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: journalism project funded by Green based in the UK. 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 5: Awesome, And I'm going to play a little bit from 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 5: the video that you guys released so that anyone who 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 5: hasn't seen it yet will get a bit of a 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 5: believer for it. 29 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: This is Keith McCoy, one of exon Mobil's top Capitol 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Hill lobbyists. 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 6: Did we aggressively fight against uh some of the science? 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: Yes? 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 6: Did we hide our science? 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely not? 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 6: Uh? Did we uh? Did we join some of these 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 6: shadow groups uh to work against uh some of the 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 6: early efforts. Yes, that's true, but there's nothing there's nothing 38 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 6: illegal about that. We were looking out for our investments. 39 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 6: We were looking out for our shareholders. And you're not 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 6: going to be able to just switch to battery operated 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 6: vehicles or wind for your electricity. And just having that 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 6: conversation around why that's not possible in the next ten years, 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 6: it's critically important to the work that we do. So 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 6: and and and that's an every phase, that's that's that's it. 45 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 6: The Senate, that's in the House, that's with the administration. 46 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Lawrence Carter talked to me about how they set the 47 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: whole thing up and some of the things that he 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: was surprised to learn. You can listen to that whole 49 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: interview as a bonus episode in the Feed next week. 50 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: But today we're going to share something that wasn't in 51 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: the unearthed video or story, but that was part of 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: what former excellent lobbyist Keith McCoy talked about the industry's 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: plastics playbook. 54 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: I then talked at length about how he basically said 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: that the vast majority of the American Chemistry Council's resources 56 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: is going into their plastics work. Yeah, keeping plastics on, 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: preventing bands, talking up the ability of recycling to deal 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: with the problem. Yeah, and that actually did you know, 59 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: like working on model legislation. In Keith Boy's words too, 60 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: they would rather have legislation come from them, right, So 61 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: super aggressive politician. 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Westervelt, and this is Drilled season six, the 63 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Bridge to Nowhere today the continuation of Part one plastic 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: pipelines that's coming up right after this click break. 65 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 7: So they're talking about moving fracked gas as L and 66 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 7: g over to petrochemical facilities in other countries to. 67 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 4: Make Yeah, how important that was for their business. You know, 68 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 4: he said plastics of the future. 69 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll quote McCoy directly here from the transcript of this conversation. 70 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: He said, petrol chemicals are expanding in the United States 71 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: because of, you know, the cheap access to natural gas. 72 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Looking at how we can make these plastics more environmentally 73 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: friendly is going to be key, because that's the next 74 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: big frontier. 75 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 4: Peter McCoy talks about how they want to take this 76 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: kind of cheap feedstock. I think he refers to the Permian, 77 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: but I guess it if applied to Pennsylvania and actually 78 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 4: rather than manufactured plastic in the US, to turn it 79 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: into liquified natural gas and ship it over to petrochemical 80 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 4: facilities that they have in Asia and in Australia so 81 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: that they can crank up plastic sales in those places. 82 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so we know this already. We know that cheap 83 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: natural gas is fueling a plastics boom, and that the 84 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: industry is banking on plastic to save it, and that 85 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: plastic recycling is basically greenwashing. But there's something different about 86 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: an oil lobbyist just come and write out and saying it. 87 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: That was journalist Lawrence Carter again that you heard there. 88 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: He and his colleagues at Unearthed, an investigative outlet in 89 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: the UK that's funded by Greenpeace, set up an undercover 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: operation to get Exxon to share its playbook. Ultimately, they 91 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: had a reporter pose as a corporate recruiter and interviewed 92 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: two high level Exon staffers who had recently left. That 93 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: reporter asked the men all kinds of questions about the 94 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: company's strategy, and they answered in great detail. After we talked, 95 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: Carter sent me a transcript of the part of the 96 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: conversation between his undercover reporter and former ex On lobbyist 97 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: Keith McCoy that focused on plastic. It's fourteen pages long, 98 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: just to give you an idea of how much time 99 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: he's spent talking about Exon's plastic strategy. In that conversation, 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: McCoy said that all the Exon petrochemical facilities that are 101 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: being retooled or that are just now being built are 102 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: geared toward plastics. He says, quote, we see that as 103 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: a big business, a growing business, but the issue is 104 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: going to be disposal and recycling of plastics. And then 105 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: he explains that to deal with the pesky problem of 106 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: disposal and recycling of plastics. Exon is working with the 107 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: American Chemistry Council. Here's a snippet from one of the 108 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: many American Chemistry Council videos about how plastics aren't a 109 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: problem and recycling is working just fine. 110 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 8: Plastics, our society demands their benefits and an environment free 111 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 8: of plastic waste. Recycling helps keep plastics out of our 112 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 8: oceans and environment, but traditional recycling technologies have some limitations. 113 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 8: While mechanical recycling can handle most bottles and containers, today's 114 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 8: light weight packaging designs are a bit trickier. Fortunately, emerging 115 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 8: and innovative technologies can repurpose these plastics into new and 116 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 8: useful products. 117 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: And again keep in mind here that right now the 118 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: industry's plan is to shift whatever fossil fuels we manage 119 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,479 Speaker 1: to stop using in cars and homes over to plastic. 120 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here comes with both immediate 121 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: and long term consequences. There's the immediate environmental scourge of 122 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: plastic waste. Less than ten percent of it is actually recycled, 123 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: it never breaks down in the environment, and it is 124 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: filling up and poisoning our oceans. The birds and marine 125 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: life that survive off of them and many other waterways. 126 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: And there's the air and water pollution associated directly with 127 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: the facilities that make plastic and with the fossil fuel 128 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: infrastructure required to feed into those factories. And then there's 129 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: the climate impact. Here's Carol Muffett, President and CEO of 130 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the Center for International Environmental Law. 131 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 9: Again, and if you look specifically at the refineries and 132 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 9: the crackers, even in the completely hypothetical, mythical world where 133 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 9: you were where you were fueling those refineries and crackers 134 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 9: with one hundred percent renewable energy, which is not possible 135 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 9: within the footprint of the plants, you'd still only cut 136 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 9: the emissions in half because the chemical processes themselves are 137 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 9: so greenhouse gas intensive. And this becomes particularly important when 138 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 9: you recognize that, because of the success of the growth 139 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 9: of renewable energy, within the next couple of years, the 140 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 9: industrial sector will surpass the power sector as the primary 141 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 9: source of greenhouse gas emissions in this country. 142 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: And just like with climate change, the fossil fuel industry 143 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: has known about the various environmental impacts of plastic for decades, 144 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: at least since the sixties. 145 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 9: Just as we did with the oil and gas crisis. 146 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 9: We've begun to look at what did the industry know 147 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 9: about what was happening to plastics in the environment. And 148 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 9: what we've found, and we've published some of this research 149 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 9: and there's more to come, was that it was very 150 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 9: clear from the very early stages that plastics were showing 151 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 9: up in the environment, showing up in the ocean, showing 152 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 9: up in water ways, from certainly the nineteen sixties onward. 153 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 9: In the late nineteen fifties and the sixties, research funded 154 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 9: by the oil industry to look at oil spills and 155 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 9: oil pollution in the Gulf of Mexico kept finding oil 156 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 9: related toxics adhering to plastic that was floating the water, 157 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 9: trading and raising the first evidence that plastics actually tend 158 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 9: to accumulate and concentrate other environmental toxins and become vectors 159 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 9: for those toxics. 160 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: So industry knew that plastic was bad news in waterways, 161 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: and it also knew that plastic doesn't break down. 162 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 9: Ever, it becomes equally clear that the industry was aware 163 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 9: that plastics wouldn't break down in landfills, wouldn't break down 164 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 9: an environment. And there's this rather remarkable, rather remarkable o 165 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 9: ed from a plastic industry executive from the nineteen sixties, 166 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 9: where he argues, yes, we know it won't break down 167 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 9: in landfills. We consider that a feature. 168 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 5: Not a bug. 169 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 9: It'll provide stability to the landfill. 170 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: Now, public awareness and concern around the plastic problem is growing, 171 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: and according to lobbyist Keith McCoy, the fossil fuel industry 172 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: will use the same tax here that it used on 173 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: climate change. Here's how he laid it out. You want 174 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: to get smart on it, right, because you know it's coming, 175 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: so you want to get It's just like on climate change, right. 176 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: So when climate change came, well it's here. But well 177 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: when it started, you started to have conversations to say, well, 178 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: you can't completely change the electric grid from coal and 179 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: gas into wind and here's why. It's the same conversation. 180 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: You can't ban plastics because here's why. Or you can't recycle, 181 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, or legislate one hundred percent recycling because here's why. 182 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: It's just not technologically feasible. So that's the public messaging. 183 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: When it comes to Congress, McCoy says, they look for solutions. 184 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: They can talk about ways to maybe change the chemistry 185 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: to make plastics slightly more recyclable, or laws that would 186 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: need to change to make one hundred percent recycling feasible, 187 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: ideally laws that would be too far reaching and too 188 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: complicated for Congress to actually change. He says, I would 189 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: love something like that to say, look, we're happy to 190 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: do one hundred percent recycling, we think it's technologically feasible, 191 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: but as an example, interstate commerce clause prevents us from 192 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: doing it. I don't know if that's true, but you know, 193 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: having that type of conversation, like you have to change 194 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: the interstate commerce clause because that prevents us from carrying 195 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: plastic across state lines or something. Yeah, what a gift 196 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: that would be, right. The scary thing here is that 197 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: it's not just Exxon or the oil industry. It's also 198 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: the chemical industry, which has been in the lobbying and 199 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: spin game just as long and just as successfully as 200 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: fossil fuel. It's like an industry voltron, which is why 201 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: this idea that the plastic problem is a distraction from 202 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: the climate problem or just about making different consumer choices 203 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: is so off base. Here's Muffett again. 204 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 9: For a long time, the fight against plastics was presented 205 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 9: as something that was ultimately about suburban moms, you know, 206 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 9: impressing each other with not using straws. 207 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 7: It really was. 208 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, But that argument breaks down when you go to 209 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 9: the Philippines and you look at how plastics there are 210 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 9: affecting human rights. It breaks down when you see mountains 211 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 9: of waste piled up in India. It breaks down when 212 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 9: you talk to fishermen from Louisiana and Texas who are 213 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 9: pulling plastic out of their bays and out of their fish. Yeah, 214 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 9: and it really, really fun namentally breaks down when you 215 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 9: talk to the people who are living in the shadows 216 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 9: of the fracking wells and the and the crackers. Plastics 217 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 9: are one of the highest admitting of all industrial sectors, 218 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 9: and they're also the most rapidly growing, and on their 219 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 9: present trajectory, you know, they could contribute fifty six gigatons 220 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 9: of carbon to the global atmosphere about twenty fifty. But 221 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 9: Exxon and Chevron and API and the American Chemistry Council 222 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 9: will go on asking you, well, are you turning off 223 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 9: your lights? Are you buying the electric cars that are 224 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 9: only just now becoming available and are still only barely affordable. 225 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Next time, we'll head back 226 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: to the Gulf Coast to check in on Diane and Sharon, 227 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: who are still holding the line against the petrochemical boom. 228 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: There come back for that. Drilled is an original production 229 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: of the Critical Frequency Podcast Network. The show is reported, written, 230 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: and hosted by me Amy Westervelt. Our producer this season 231 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: is Juliana Bradley. Our editor is Julia Ritchie. Our theme 232 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: song this season is Death Song by b Bemon. 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