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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back to the podcast. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: It is Elk Month, still September prime elk rat right now.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite topics to talk about is drawing

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Speaker 1: in bulls during the rud how to trick an elk,

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Speaker 1: to bring an elk within bow range. As a professional

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Speaker 1: and full time elk guide, pretty much my entire adult life,

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Speaker 1: I've spent countless days doing exactly that, trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out the way to trick elk. And one thing that

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Speaker 1: I've noticed is when I'm guiding hunters or whatever, we're

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Speaker 1: out there all day and we we got to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of all the times of the day, not just

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Speaker 1: the peak when they're really active in the morning or

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Speaker 1: the evening, but maybe what are they doing in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the day. So if you've ever been out

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Speaker 1: and you think of yourself, well, it's the middle of

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Speaker 1: the day, what should I be doing? This podcast is

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Speaker 1: for you. I'm gonna be sharing a tactic I like

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Speaker 1: to call striking up a bedded bull, which recently led

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Speaker 1: to me taking the biggest bull of my life. So

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Speaker 1: before we go into the tactic, I want to share

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Speaker 1: the story of the giant seven by seven I recently

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Speaker 1: took with my bow. This story is definitely a fresh ee,

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Speaker 1: this one. This one just recently happened. It took place

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Speaker 1: in the beginning of September. I was hunting an area.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling a story of the biggest bull

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Speaker 1: I've ever taken, and you kind of expect, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: really good draw area or something once in a lifetime

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Speaker 1: tag and I was not expecting this bull in this

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Speaker 1: in this particular unit um where I was hunting. It

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Speaker 1: was just kind of one of those things where there

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Speaker 1: are big elk in places, but this was not a

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Speaker 1: place that I would expect to find a big elk um.

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Speaker 1: I could probably go back there a thousand times and

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Speaker 1: never find a bowl of this caliber ever again, and

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Speaker 1: you know that that would be more realistic. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that it did go down was was pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: So being the beginning of September, there's a few things

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Speaker 1: that can be happening. One thing for the beginning of

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Speaker 1: September is it depends on the weather, but generally, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like you hit this pre rut phase,

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Speaker 1: so the bigger bulls will be kind of off on

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Speaker 1: their own, kind of cruising checking cows, which actually leads

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Speaker 1: to it being a decent time to attract them, like

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Speaker 1: also be a bad time because the beginning of September,

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Speaker 1: depending on the weather, can be very little action, can

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Speaker 1: be hard to scrounge up an elk um, So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like a hit or miss when you hunt

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Speaker 1: real early, if you're trying to kind of dance around

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Speaker 1: the rut dates. But this particular hunt, I was hunting

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Speaker 1: early and just so happened that we had good weather

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Speaker 1: for it, so opening warning, sun's rising, and sure enough,

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Speaker 1: just as it's light enough to see. I would say,

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Speaker 1: probably even before legal shooting, like I spotted a bowl

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Speaker 1: across the canyon in a meadow, and very shortly after

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Speaker 1: rips off a bugle were like sweet. Um. I had

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Speaker 1: a video. So we're filming it for actually meat brand

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Speaker 1: processing equipment, some of the processing stuff that I talked

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Speaker 1: about a lot. Um. I do some films with them

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Speaker 1: if I could get a six by six, sweet, but

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Speaker 1: I know this area is more like a good meat hunt.

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Speaker 1: So I mean I could take a cow, I could

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Speaker 1: take a bull, I could take whatever is any elk.

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Speaker 1: I mean I could she spike Like some of the

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Speaker 1: And so we started working around calling whatever, no more bugles,

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Speaker 1: Before we even get over there, like just this storm

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Speaker 1: needless to say, like we could. We had no visibility.

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Speaker 1: We got over there and just like the elk weren't

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Speaker 1: back up. It just like kind of one of those things.

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Speaker 1: and that was that. So that evening we get into

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get in on this six point that was

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Speaker 1: just kind of like right around shooting light. Sweet, we

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Speaker 1: Just cut me off. And generally when a bull cuts

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Speaker 1: little too much confrontation for the first couple of days

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Speaker 1: pinpoint him in the timber, and like, all right, there's

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Speaker 1: this kind of like diamond shaped rember, sorry, pyramid shaped

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Speaker 1: like sometimes sounds on the side, sometimes sounds on that side.

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Speaker 1: the top, going back and forth. So I give him

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Speaker 1: like this cow call. We're like my long cow, call

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Speaker 1: the little sexy wine and he liked that. He like

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Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna get up there. I think we

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Speaker 1: drop down, get up there and call that bulling. So

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Speaker 1: hear that bull bugle again and it's like, well he's

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Speaker 1: he's on the side still, and he sounds like he's

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Speaker 1: I'm like, but I don't wanna, Like, generally, you aren't

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Speaker 1: like that. So we start climbing up this hillside. It's

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Speaker 1: set up if he comes in that will actually have

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Speaker 1: I've done it where you just call bull in after

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Speaker 1: bull after bull and have zero shots. Bulls within fifteen

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Speaker 1: actually like coming down the mountain bugling like, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: a gradual slope. So elk generally bed on a ridge

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00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 1: or a finger ridge, something where the slope is gentle

426
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: enough that they can lay comfortably and lay in multiple positions.

427
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: So it could be the steepest country around, but at

428
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: the top of that ridge or whatever, especially if it's

429
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: a real steep country, at the top of that ridge

430
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: or at the bottom of the valley, it's easier for

431
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: the elk to bed. So those are things to think about.

432
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: It is like where's easy for the elk ti bed?

433
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: And then also they're gonna want to be bedded just

434
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: like everything else with the wind probably coming downhill and

435
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: where they can kind of fan out. Nice thing about

436
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: elk is for the elk is the fact that they

437
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: are a safety and numbers kind of animal. They're hurt animal,

438
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: and so they will bed in multiple positions, will have

439
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: other animals bedded and and be able to spread out,

440
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: and that's how they stay safe. So when I look

441
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: at a like, I just pull out my you know,

442
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: go hunt maps or whatever and just start looking on there.

443
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: I get the topography out, and then I get and

444
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: I switched between topography and satellite imagery. And then one

445
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: thing like why I'm doing that is I'm seeing, Okay,

446
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: where are these benches, these like more everything super steep?

447
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: Where's that more gradual bedding on? Probably I generally will

448
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: probably start on that north face, but I'll then look

449
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: at that like satellite image over the topography and say, okay, well,

450
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: now here's the timber. Here's like where a good like

451
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: chance for them to bed is. And then which way

452
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: is the wind going? You know, is that it's probably

453
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: gonna be blowing down this site. So it's kind of

454
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: start on those areas, and that's how I'll start narrowing

455
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: down to those betting areas. Another another thing, it's not

456
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: just ridges though, I have also found like in those

457
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: steep draws, sometimes there's creek bottoms or even like it's

458
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: not a creek bottom, but it's a valley of some kind.

459
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: Those will flat will be super steep, and you might

460
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: get these valleys where it's like, Okay, here's a little

461
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: bench or a little pocket rail. Can bet in those

462
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: little benches. Even on the face of a steep mountain

463
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: that benches out a little bit, those can be great

464
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: betting areas. So what I like to do is focusing

465
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: on those betting areas. Once I've identified all right betting zone,

466
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 1: then it's time to move and call. And what you're

467
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 1: kind of doing is you're you're doing a combination of

468
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: still hunting, which still hunting, not to be confused with

469
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: sitting and hunting, Like that's stand hunting. I don't know,

470
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: I know the terminology. If you're new to it can

471
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: be like, well, what's still hunting? It certam still hunting.

472
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: We should just change that to something else because it

473
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me either. Um, you aren't necessarily still,

474
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: you're just moving like you're you're just moving cautiously, quietly, um,

475
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: just aimlessly roaming or strategically roaming through the woods at

476
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: a very slow pace where you're hoping to see things

477
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 1: before they see you. And and if done right, it's

478
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: a very good skill to have. Um. So what I'm

479
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: doing is I'm going through these kind of betting areas

480
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: looking and then I'm moving and then I'm calling. And

481
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: what the calling is is the calling is to try

482
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: to figure out where an elk is before I blow

483
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: through there and blow him out by you know, bumping

484
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: him or not seeing him. And what the hope is

485
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: when you're striking up a beded bull is really you're

486
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: looking for the bull that's bedded off on his own.

487
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: So what he wants to do is he's gonna want

488
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: to check cows, and so you're hoping to find that

489
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: bull that's bedded by himself, and then you're gonna be

490
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: the random group of cows or a heard It could

491
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: even be heard with a bull moving through the timber

492
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: also going to bed and he goes, oh, hey, i'm

493
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: here too. That's what his bagle is gonna be, Oh

494
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm over here. Um. It could also be and and

495
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: this is probably what you'll run into more is like

496
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: a bull with cows or with a herd um And

497
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: so sometimes like that bull will just bugle from his

498
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: bed and then he'll just do things. Later. He might

499
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: come in, he might not. Um. The as Loan bulls

500
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: are generally the ones that are going to come straight in,

501
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: but there is those those bulls too that do have

502
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: cows in the middle of the day, they don't want

503
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to get them riled up. They don't want like another

504
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: bull to come in and just like push them around

505
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: and do their things, so they might actually get up

506
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: and come challenge you. So what you're trying to do

507
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: is you're trying to as you're moving and calling, get

508
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: into that scenario where you're calling within proximity to a

509
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: bull that decides, hey, I need to go and investigate,

510
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: or hey, I need to go take care of business

511
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: over here. When I'm doing this, this is generally in

512
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: the hours between kind of like when elk are done

513
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: doing their their major bugling in the morning and before

514
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: the evening, so it's kind of like that time where yeah,

515
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: they should be often the timber bedded somewhere. One thing

516
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: that I like do is there's a couple of different

517
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: calls that I use, So I generally start out with

518
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: a couple of cow calls, um, maybe even just a

519
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: lost cow, like a Yeah, you can do that a

520
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: couple of times. As you're moving, I'll do it, you know,

521
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: like I'll move and call a little bit, and then

522
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: I'll stop in a in a spot and call what

523
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is trying to cover the terrain

524
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: with my calls in an adequate way. So I'm not

525
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: necessarily overcalling. But I'm also not shy of calling because

526
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I know that in the timber, your sound travels a

527
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: little bit different. So if it's a if it's more

528
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: of a flat area and really thick trees, I'm calling

529
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: like every two fifty yards. If it's like more open

530
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: and I'm on a ridge, in my sound I feel

531
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: like it's broadcasting into this little basin, then it might

532
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: be like every half a mile. It just depends on

533
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: how that sounds traveling. So I generally start out with

534
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: some kind of cow cow sound um either just like

535
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: one cow or like I said, I do like a

536
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: little bit longer um wine sometimes, but just like cows talking.

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: If I get a bull to respond to that cow call,

538
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: then I pretty much know like I'm I'm calling that bull,

539
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: and it's just one of those things like when a

540
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: bull bugles to your cow call unprovoked with other stuff,

541
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: he's probably pretty interested and he's probably gonna come in,

542
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: And in that case, I might just stick with the

543
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: cow calls. But as I'm moving and calling I'm also bugling, UM,

544
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: So I always start with the cow calls just in

545
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: case it's like um, I talked about this last week,

546
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of like imagine like a predator

547
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: standard coyot stand where you're like you start soft with

548
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: the colleges in case there's one close by, and then

549
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: you get louder. I kind of do that, but I

550
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: do like the cow calls just in case there's one

551
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: close by that wants to respond to that, because it's

552
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: a lot easier to just not give him options to

553
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: do other things like round up his cows or feel

554
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: threatened or whatever. Um. And then in but I will,

555
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: So I'll do a couple of cow calls and then

556
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I'll throw out a beagle, and the beagle. The reason

557
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: I do the bugles because some bulls are like only

558
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: going to respond to a bugle, and you don't even

559
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: know the temperament of the herd that like you're getting into.

560
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a bull that's been bugling like all morning

561
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: and the cows haven't made a peep. There's gonna be

562
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of elk that you get into that's like, hey,

563
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: the cows aren't making any sounds and at a certain

564
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: time of day, like maybe later in the day, they

565
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: will make some sounds, but it just comes out of place,

566
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: like the bull is not going to respond to that.

567
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: So I throw out the bagle because I want to

568
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: be like an equal opportunity offender. I want to give

569
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: every elk in that herd an opportunity to hear something

570
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: they like. Um, So I'll do the cow calls and

571
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: I'll throw out those bugles. The nice thing about the

572
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: beagles too, as they travel a little bit further, so

573
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: maybe one that can't hear the cow calls, he heard

574
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: a piece of that bugle and it's going to respond.

575
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: The nice thing about the cow calls too is sometimes

576
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: there might be a herd and you might even get

577
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: a cow to respond, as the cows might not respond

578
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: to a bugle, So you kind of get the best

579
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: of both worlds by covering adequately with different kinds of sounds.

580
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: When it goes to uh bugling in this scenario, I

581
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: generally do like a shortened kind of locator call, or

582
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll even just throw out like kind of more aggressive

583
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: bugle where it's like, oh, maybe there's a herd bull

584
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: pushing some cows through an area to like try to

585
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: round him up to bed. It can be a major

586
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: task for herd of elk to get to bed, especially

587
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: once the right hits, like when it's full on rut.

588
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Just the other day, it was like they were screaming

589
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: all day, Like the cows kept trying to go down,

590
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: and the bulls kept trying to grab him and push

591
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: him and take him other places. And so if there's

592
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: a bull that's bedded where you're at, he's gonna hear

593
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: that and think, okay, I want to be part of

594
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: that action. So he'll bugle or he'll just come in

595
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: silent and come check it out. But in this scenario,

596
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: what I really like to do, I call it striking

597
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: up a bedable, because you want to get them to

598
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: respond on It sounds like a lot of needle and

599
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: haystack action where you're like, well, there's a little bit

600
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: of luck involved, yes, but also by pinpointing betting areas

601
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: and kind of understanding the habits of where these elk

602
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: are going, you say, okay, these are good hypercentage betting areas.

603
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna still hunt through here, and then I'm

604
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: gonna be calling. And when you get within that proximity,

605
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: that kind of gets in that bull's bubble. Oftentimes it

606
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of catches them off guard or gives them a

607
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: good opportunity to come check you out, and could be

608
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: a really great way to call in a bull that

609
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: might not be callable when everything else is going on.

610
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I hope that tactic maybe helps somebody this this coming

611
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: weekend or this week, this coming week. Um. It's It's

612
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: also a good tactic that works pretty well later in

613
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: the season as those big bulls start to kind of

614
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: pull away from the herd um sometimes they can be

615
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: bedded up and then they kind of think, oh, well,

616
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: here's an easy opportunity that's coming my way. So kind

617
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: of striking up a bedded bull that way can be

618
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: really effective. I think next week one things that I

619
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: do want to talk about two is is and maybe

620
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: by the time you hear you know, it might be

621
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: pasted a little bit of a peak rut. But I

622
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: think it's always good to kind of give this knowledge,

623
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the season as it happens, because it

624
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me as well of like, oh, yeah,

625
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: that's that's something that happens. And I think one thing

626
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: that if you're if you run into the scenario. It's like, okay,

627
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: what about when it's just all out bugle city, when

628
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: bulls are bugling, when they're doing their thing, like and

629
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: there's a big heard elk, how do you move in?

630
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: How do you make the right moves? Because there's sometimes like, uh,

631
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: just yesterday, incredible day hunting elk. I mean one of

632
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: it will go down. Is like one of my favorite

633
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: days hunting elk. And I didn't even kill an elk,

634
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: but it's just I got so many interactions actually hunting

635
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: with my stickbow, and I'll I think i'll next week,

636
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell the whole story. But I think one thing

637
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: that we can take away from me is kind of

638
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Speaker 1: the the idea of like moving amongst the herd and

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Speaker 1: how to how to actually stalk when there's so many eyes,

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Speaker 1: so many ears, like what can you get away with?

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00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: And what can't you get away within? When are those

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Speaker 1: times when like you know immediately you probably aren't gonna

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Speaker 1: call a bull in like they're bugling their heads off,

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not like they're gonna come into

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Speaker 1: the call um. So kind of talking about that scenario

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Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, they're making noise I'm doing everything right,

647
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: but they just aren't going to come in. How do

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Speaker 1: I proceed? What do I do? That's gonna be next week. Also,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody please keep sending in Like I've had

650
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Speaker 1: so many awesome messages in the past. Some people have

651
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: had some really good elk seasons, I know, some people

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00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: have had some struggle seasons. To just depends on what

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00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: part of the country you're in, because, um, some areas

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Speaker 1: it's been like the best elk season they've had in years.

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Speaker 1: In other places it's everything's got its ebbs and flows.

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00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Other other places it's like this is a tough season.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're struggling to hear or bugle, and then

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: other guys are like biggest bulls we've ever seen bugle

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: in early. This nuts out here. UM, So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like it can be ups and downs. But I've

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: definitely got a lot of messages guys saying like, hey,

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00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: this silent calling, help me kill this bull. Um, your

663
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: tactics led to this bowl, like quite a few guys

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Speaker 1: from Canada. UM. I appreciate all the Canadian listeners as well.

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00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: A lot of guys on that border area hunting elk

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: and getting into some good bulls. So I really appreciate

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00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: the messages from all you guys. Keep up the awesome work.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people taking their first bulls and some

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Speaker 1: guys taking some really big bulls. So quite a few

670
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: people have taken the best bulls of their life and

671
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: saying like, hey, this this tactic like actually was pretty

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: much exactly what killed this bull for me. UM. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys giving me that kind of feedback

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00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: because it's really cool to see when that kind of

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: information gets used in the field in a way that

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Speaker 1: um leads to some success. So I'm really excited. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know, I've been actually out no cunning today in camp,

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00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: a little bit sore a little bit. I've been chasing

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Speaker 1: like some chasing bulls around all week and it's been great. Um.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so keep those coming and until next week,

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Speaker 1: strike him up, send me a picture. I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: Catch you later.