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Speaker 1: From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle for.

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Speaker 2: Row Roll Against Wait.

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Speaker 3: Starring Maya Hawk and William H.

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Speaker 4: Macy, Mister Chief Justice and may have Pleased the Court.

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Speaker 1: Episode two.

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Speaker 3: This is what a courtroom looks like.

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Speaker 2: Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, what is it wrong?

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Speaker 2: Sarah? It's three in the morning.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing up?

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Speaker 2: What am I I'm going to the bathroom. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm doing the only normal thing one does at three am.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing in the dining room?

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Speaker 3: Don't start wrong, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: You had a full day at the office.

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Speaker 3: The early stages of a federal case require a massive

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Speaker 3: amount of paperwork.

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Speaker 5: You know that, Yes, I do know that a dozen

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Speaker 5: pair of legals are supposed to do that stuff for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, are there any in the bed with you? Because

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Speaker 3: there are none here in the dining room. Let me

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Speaker 3: know if there are any in the bathroom with you, Okay, Ron,

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you a secret?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's three am. You may as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm really bad at.

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Speaker 2: Paperwork, and that's not a secret, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying I can talk. Put me in a room

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Speaker 3: with whoever you like, and I'll orate the heck out

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Speaker 3: of whatever legal principle you want me to. I can preach.

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Speaker 3: I got my daddy in me. I can answer questions too.

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Speaker 3: But paperwork, it's not your thing. It's really not research either.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that about me?

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Speaker 2: Your puntry right now, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: You know why because I worked a full day at

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Speaker 3: the office and it's three am and I'm sitting in

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Speaker 3: front of a mountain of paperwork instead of been bed

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 2: Good night, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I need help.

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Speaker 4: A driver. Take I thirty five West to I four

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Speaker 4: ninety four East. My seventh is a parking on this

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Speaker 4: time of the day. Let the man drive, Harry. He

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Speaker 4: knows what he's doing. You are just on edge and

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Speaker 4: you're being rude to our guest. I don't see why

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Speaker 4: I need to be in a limousine perfectly capable of

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Speaker 4: driving us to the airport myself, Dottie.

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Speaker 6: The President just wants you to know you appreciated Judge Blackman.

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Speaker 4: And that's why you're here, mister Goldman, a token of

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Speaker 4: his appreciation.

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Speaker 6: No, Judge, I'm not a gift. I'm here to prep

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Speaker 6: you for battle.

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Speaker 4: Dramatic. There's very little resistance to my appointment to the

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Speaker 4: Eighth Circuit.

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Speaker 7: I'll do respect, Judge winning a spot in Saint Paul's

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Speaker 7: pretty different from winning a spot in DC.

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Speaker 4: Meaning exactly what, mister Goldman, call me.

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Speaker 6: Sam for starters.

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Speaker 7: You got the position on the Eighth Circuit Becausejessice Berger

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Speaker 7: put in a good word with the administration.

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Speaker 4: Aha, So nothing to do with my decades long career

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Speaker 4: in the law or my double Harvard degrees. Got it?

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Speaker 4: Go on, no disrespect, Judge. You know the more you

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Speaker 4: say that, the less meaning it has, Right Bree Harry for.

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Speaker 7: The Supreme Court, Judge Blackman, a recommendation won't cut it.

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Speaker 7: Over the next few weeks, you're going to meet with

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Speaker 7: every US Senator to try to secure his vote.

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Speaker 4: One hundred meetings in a few weeks. I don't think

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Speaker 4: I've met one hundred new people in the past five years.

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Speaker 3: He's not joking, mister Goldman.

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Speaker 7: You don't need to spend time with his senators whose

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Speaker 7: votes are assured. Judge will focus on the fifty five

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Speaker 7: senators who killed Hainsworth.

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Speaker 4: Hainsworth's nomination that the Court failed. Let's not talk about

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Speaker 4: him as if he was murdered, All right, Sam, in Washington,

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Speaker 4: he may as well have been, sir, Well, good thing,

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Speaker 4: I don't much care what Washington thinks of me.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly what I'm getting at, Judge. For the next

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Speaker 7: few weeks. That's all you should care about in these meetings.

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Speaker 7: You need to do something I know you're not fond of.

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Speaker 7: You need to be political. I hesitate to ask, But

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Speaker 7: what does that mean? Means you don't have a firm

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Speaker 7: opinion on anything. Whatever you take a stand on can

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Speaker 7: and will be eased against you.

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Speaker 6: You can't really mean that. If a senator.

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Speaker 7: Asks if you love your daughters, you say you need

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Speaker 4: So I should pretend to be a moron?

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Speaker 8: Is that?

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Speaker 4: It's Sam?

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Speaker 6: Literally, no chance of you coming off as a moron,

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Speaker 6: Judge Blackman.

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Speaker 7: At worst, you'll come off as a politician, and if possible,

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Speaker 7: be careful not too well.

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Speaker 6: The less erudite, the better.

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Speaker 4: Dottie, I think Sam is calling me pompous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well someone should dear.

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Speaker 7: I read you worked as a janitor to pay for Harvard,

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Speaker 7: Judge Blackman, that's the man the senator should hear from.

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Speaker 6: Not the Ivory Tower.

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Speaker 4: Intellectual. You do realize the whole point of Harvard was

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Speaker 4: to become an intellectual. Right anyway, I'm an institutionalist. Sam.

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Speaker 4: If confirmed to the Court, I won't be overturning the

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Speaker 4: apple cart. I'll be steady and uncontroversial, just like your

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Speaker 4: boss wants me to be. Surely it's safe to tell.

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Speaker 7: Him that some senators will like that, others won't. I

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Speaker 7: heard you're a baseball fanatic, Judge. Feel free to discuss

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Speaker 7: that subject as much as you like.

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Speaker 4: So you want me to take the brief opportunity. I

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Speaker 4: have a nominee to the highest realm of justice in

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Speaker 4: our nation, meeting with members of the world's greatest deliberative

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Speaker 4: body and talk about harmon kill a brew and Rod

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Speaker 4: Carew's batting averages.

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Speaker 7: Now I need you to do more than that, Judge,

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Speaker 7: even on the issues that matter most to you. You

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Speaker 7: don't just change the subject. You stretch the truth, You

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Speaker 7: glad hand and smile.

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Speaker 4: Is this what you do for the president?

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Speaker 9: Sam?

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Speaker 4: Prep us beauty queens for the pageants.

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Speaker 6: Judge, I'm a senior aid in the White House.

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Speaker 7: My portfolio for the President includes the situation in Cambodia,

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Speaker 7: nuclear non proliferation, civil rights, the cholera epidemic in Istanbul,

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Speaker 7: and another two dozen crises that you don't even want

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Speaker 7: to know about. So it should tell you something that

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Speaker 7: I dropped at all to come to Saint Paul, just

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Speaker 7: to fly back to DC with you and get you

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Speaker 7: ready for this confirmation battle. And believe me, battle is

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Speaker 7: an understatement. First two nominees for the seat went down

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Speaker 7: in flames. This seat's been open a year, and President

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Speaker 7: Nixon doesn't particularly enjoy looking.

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Speaker 4: Like an amateur. Neither do I.

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Speaker 6: Then you need to listen to me.

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Speaker 4: Judge.

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Speaker 6: The last two nominees didn't. Perhaps you don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I understand all too well. Sam. No one in this

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Speaker 4: country had ever given Judge Haynesworth a second thought, but

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Speaker 4: after his rejection by the Senate, he became a household

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Speaker 4: name by the press. Is anti labor, accused of enriching

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Speaker 4: himself in a case, and called a racist, three charges

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Speaker 4: that will now be the first line in that man's obituary.

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Speaker 4: I will not let that happen to me or my family. Sam,

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Speaker 4: you want me to pretend to be an idiot talk baseball, fine,

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Speaker 4: chosen to step up to the plate. I have no

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Speaker 4: intentions of striking out and becoming another Hainesworth. So tell

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Speaker 4: me how to do this. As revolting as I find it.

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Speaker 4: I promise I will go down swinging.

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Speaker 10: Plalmer and Palmer Please hold?

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Speaker 3: Can I help you? Miss Yesh I'm looking for an

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Speaker 3: associate who works here, Linda Coffee?

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Speaker 10: What is your name?

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Speaker 3: Do you have an appointment? I'm Sarah Weddington. She's not

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Speaker 3: expecting me. I called, but I couldn't get through. Thought

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Speaker 2: This isn't a scrap booking club, Miss Weddington, it's a

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Speaker 3: You don't just show up now. I believe this coffee

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Speaker 3: is in conference room nine, So if you'll take a seat,

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Speaker 3: that's all right. I'd like a surpriser. Thanks. Hey, wait, you.

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Speaker 10: Can't go, sir. You simply will never get a patent

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Speaker 10: for that.

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Speaker 9: Why on earth not?

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Speaker 11: Because the law is clear, Sir, you can't patent a

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Speaker 11: living organism.

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Speaker 9: I disagree. When is your boss joining us?

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Speaker 11: He's not, sir, Linda, Linda, Sorry, sir, give me just

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Speaker 11: a second. Sarah Weddington. What on earth, Holanda? What are

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Speaker 11: you doing here? Are you interviewing for an associate position?

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Speaker 8: There?

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Speaker 3: I came to see you?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Really, Linda? Yes, can we talk.

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Speaker 10: I'm in the middle of a meeting.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't seem like it's going so well, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait, how about a drink after work?

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Speaker 10: Maybe? Okay, I'm gonna check my calendar.

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Speaker 3: I won't take no for an answer, Linda, I need

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Speaker 3: your help on a case.

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Speaker 10: You need my help.

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Speaker 3: Don't sound so suspicious. You were one of the most

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Speaker 3: brilliant students in class.

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Speaker 11: Yes, but there were only five women in our entire class,

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Speaker 11: and we barely exchanged ten words there.

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Speaker 3: How many do you need to make an impression?

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Speaker 10: You look down on me?

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Speaker 3: I was intimidated by you, Linda.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 11: I was shy and uncomfortable, and you were the most

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Speaker 11: outgoing person in the whole damn school.

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Speaker 3: You didn't respect me, and you thought I was only

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Speaker 3: in law school to find a husband. Admit it.

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Speaker 10: I need to get back in there. Nice seeing you, Sarah.

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Speaker 9: I guess, sweetie, get your boss, Sarah.

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Speaker 10: He's going to tell you the same thing I did.

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Speaker 9: I don't want to hear it from a secretary.

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Speaker 3: She's not a secretary, Sarah, Get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Who is this?

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Speaker 10: She's no one, sir.

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Speaker 3: Linda Coffee is a brilliant legal mind. You're lucky to

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Speaker 3: have her representing you. Did you know she was in

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Morning News for getting the second highest score

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Speaker 3: on the bar. Examine the entire state, and she's right.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you can't patent a living.

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Speaker 9: Organism, according to you.

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Speaker 3: According to US Code Title thirty five, Section one oh one,

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Speaker 3: you can patent processes, machines, manufacturers, and compositions. That's it.

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Speaker 9: Huh, Well, why didn't you say that?

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Speaker 10: You know what? Sir?

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Speaker 11: Give me one more second. You need to leave, Sarah.

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Speaker 11: You're gonna get be fired.

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Speaker 3: I think you mean I'm gonna get you promoted. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: I'm not leaving until you agree to help me.

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Speaker 10: Lord. Can you just want me for the paperwork?

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Speaker 3: That's not entirely true? I mean, yes, you are much

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Speaker 3: better at that than I am, much better at preparation

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Speaker 3: and procedure and research.

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Speaker 10: But so what, what's the case?

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Speaker 3: Does it matter? It's a real case, Sarah, what is it?

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Speaker 3: We're challenging the Texas abortion laws in federal court. Don't

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Speaker 3: laugh at me, Linda. How often do people with our

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Speaker 3: chromosomes get actual legal work in this state? I just

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Speaker 3: wish someone had warned me before three years of law

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Speaker 3: school that no one would ever hire me.

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Speaker 10: Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Everyone warned you, and I know I'm not in the movement, okay,

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Speaker 11: I know it is. That's not why I laughed. I've

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about.

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Speaker 10: I haven't gotten far.

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Speaker 11: I had this day job, but I do have some

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Speaker 3: I knew I came to the right person.

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Speaker 11: Don't get excited. We're definitely gonna lose.

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Speaker 3: Who cares? I do have one question I'm hoping you

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Speaker 10: What's that?

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Speaker 3: What the hell do we do? First?

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Speaker 11: First we find plainiffs, lots of them. You mean the

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Speaker 3: Thank god, hot coffee. I'm starting to think this is

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Speaker 11: I've got one plaintiff for us already. She'll be Jane Roe.

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Speaker 11: We just need a few more for the court record

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Speaker 11: to make this a legitimate class action.

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Speaker 3: Well, if the last eight women's groups, hospitals, and referral

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Speaker 10: Can you blame them? Hello? You too, Welcome to the session.

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Speaker 3: Are you interested in joining our group? Sorry? Which group

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Speaker 10: We're the problem? Pregnancy counseling group. But I'm afraid we've

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Speaker 11: Ladies, I'm Lenda Coffee.

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Speaker 10: If i could just have a second, excuse me, mess

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Speaker 3: Word, ladies, if we could have your attention please, I'm

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Speaker 3: Sarah and this is Linda Coffee. We're bringing a suit

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Speaker 3: challenging the Texas abortion laws, and we're looking for plaintiffs,

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Speaker 3: put people's names on these forms. We have a brave

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Speaker 3: We're paying all expenses of the case from our own pockets,

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Speaker 3: so we don't have any money to offer. But but

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Speaker 3: people would know I'm trying to get rid of my baby.

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Speaker 2: You're joking, I'd get fired on the spot. Plus my

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Speaker 3: Ladies, I know it's not easy.

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Speaker 5: Doctors told me my baby won't live long and my

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Speaker 3: You can help me get the procedure. Oh maybe, yes, Sarah,

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Speaker 3: let me talk to you for a sec. I know

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Speaker 3: her help from my coworker's referral service.

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Speaker 10: Okay, but if you do that, she can't be a plaintiff.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 10: If she has the abortion, she has no standing. What

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Speaker 11: Only women who carry their pregnancies to charm despite not

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Speaker 10: So can you help me?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I think I can call this number, ask

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Speaker 3: for Bee or deb. They'll refer you to a doctor

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Speaker 3: who can help. Thank you. In exchange, I can do

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Speaker 3: Just call that number. Take care of yourself.

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Speaker 11: Oh thanks, Come on, Sarah, three more stops before we

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you coming by to talk to me today.

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Speaker 4: Judge Blackman, good luck to you. No, thank you, Senator.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you what a pleasure it's been. Kill me.

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Speaker 4: Just kill me now. Sam.

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Speaker 7: You gotta lighten up, Judge, make the senators feel like

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Speaker 4: You're telling me to dance. I'm being considered for the

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Fox Trot, Conga, Charleston, whatever steps You know you've

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Speaker 7: met with twenty one senators already, which puts is kind

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Speaker 4: Is that all feels like one hundred and twenty one?

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Speaker 4: If I have to discuss my judicial philosophy one more?

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Speaker 4: Stop discussing it? Who told you to?

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Speaker 7: Most of these senators can't even pronounce judicial philosophy. The

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Speaker 7: ones who votes are up for grabs just want to

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Speaker 7: know you're not a radical, that you like them.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know you want me to discuss the

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Speaker 4: Mary Tyler Moore Show or baseball.

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Speaker 6: I implore you.

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Speaker 4: Sam, if I take in an Orioles game, I'll talk

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Speaker 4: about it till I'm blue in the face. Since I'm

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Speaker 4: not at Memorials Stadium, but rather in the US Capital,

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Speaker 4: I'd prefer to talk about real issues.

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Speaker 6: Do you want to get confirmed or not?

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Speaker 2: Judge?

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Speaker 4: Who's next?

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Speaker 7: You've got the next three senators together in mister Thurman office,

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Speaker 7: Then we can leave.

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Speaker 4: Thank God. I can't wait to get back to the

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Speaker 7: Sure, sure, but at eight pm you've got a cocktail

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Speaker 7: party at Katherine Graham's followed by a quick stop at

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Speaker 4: Kill me, seriously, kill me now, Sam.

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Speaker 11: Grap There have only been half a dozen suits in

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Speaker 3: Can that be right, sir, not big enough to say

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Speaker 3: to president that's good.

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Speaker 10: Rat, keep your eyes on the.

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Speaker 11: Road, Sarah, I don't believe this. There's only been one

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Speaker 11: abortion case in Texas history, and it was in eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 10: How you doing on statutes?

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you when we pull over, But I think

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Speaker 3: article's eleven ninety one and eleven ninety six are vulnerable.

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Speaker 11: On constitutional grounds. Otherwise we're back in state court. What

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Speaker 11: about First Amendment?

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Speaker 6: How do you mean?

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Speaker 11: Well, doesn't the law prohibit a doctor from freeli asssociating

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Speaker 3: Oh that's good, Linda, write that down.

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Speaker 10: Damn my fries. How clear are your floor mat Sarah?

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Speaker 10: Never mind? I'm eating them either way.

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Speaker 3: Linda, you realize you have more mustard on your cheek

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Speaker 3: than your belly. Rat, We're so screwed.

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Speaker 10: It's not a beauty contest, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not. But also yes it is, Linda. We

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Speaker 3: need experts.

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Speaker 10: We can't afford experts.

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Speaker 3: Why because no one is going to be able to

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Speaker 3: hear the message unless they respect the messenger. We need men,

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Speaker 3: old men, old wat men with East coast degrees. Professor Dohlberg,

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Speaker 3: that's right.

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Speaker 4: What can I help you with.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sarah Weddington and this is Linda Coffee. We'd like

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Speaker 3: to talk to you about providing expert testimony for a

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Speaker 3: federal suit.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, sure, where's your boss, sir?

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Speaker 3: We are the lawyer's handling the case.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand.

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Speaker 9: I'm confused.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm saying we're the lawyers on the case.

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Speaker 10: Noah, Thunk's taken, really, sir, we're.

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Speaker 3: Legal secretaries at Weddington Coffee and Associates. Our bosses are

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Speaker 3: interested in retaining your services. May we have a minute?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course, come right in.

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Speaker 10: Legislation is stuck in committee for the fourth time.

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Speaker 11: This may be the longest of shots, but it's also

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Speaker 11: the last chance for a lot of women.

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Speaker 10: You and Linda need to work harder.

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Speaker 3: We have jobs, deb last time I look, this case

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Speaker 3: isn't pay.

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Speaker 5: That's supposed to be an excuse.

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Speaker 3: It's a reality. Dep You don't like it, get someone

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Speaker 3: else to work herself to the bone for free. All right, ladies,

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Speaker 3: we're all on the same team. Let's take it down

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Speaker 3: a notch. Sarah, speak of the devil. Linda, help me

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Speaker 3: explain to our support group that we're working as fast

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Speaker 3: as we can.

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Speaker 10: T're on the radio right now? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Linda?

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Speaker 10: Forget it?

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Speaker 3: I'll do it now.

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Speaker 8: On the calendar for May twenty third, the Dallas judge

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Speaker 8: is hearing the controversial abortion case will be Hughes, Taylor,

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Speaker 8: and Goldberg, three judges appointed by Democratic presidents.

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Speaker 3: The Dallas Court accepted our case Hughes, Taylor, and Goldberg.

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Speaker 3: Those are three liberals May twenty third. I thought we'd

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Speaker 10: This is a good thing, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, sure.

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Speaker 10: You knew this wasn't just for fun, right Sarah?

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Speaker 3: Uh huh?

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Speaker 10: What's got you?

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Speaker 11: The court agreeing to hear our case was one of wait,

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Speaker 11: let me do the math, two possible outcomes.

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Speaker 10: I can't do it, Linda, Well, does it take the

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Speaker 10: pressure off to remember? No one expects us to win.

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Speaker 3: You don't understand. I never talked to a judge before.

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Speaker 3: I've never made an argument in front of anybody that mattered.

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Speaker 3: I've never even been inside a courtroom. Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 11: You think you're Inexperience is what hurts our chances, Sarah, sweetie,

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Speaker 11: we've never had a chance.

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Speaker 3: Where are you going? Linda?

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Speaker 11: Follow me and stop asking so many stupid questions. Thanks John,

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Speaker 11: I appreciate you letting a sudden I'll be out by

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Speaker 11: the time the courthouse cleaning crew comes, promise.

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Speaker 3: So this is what a courtroom looks like.

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Speaker 10: Not so scary, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they'll let us argue the case at

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Speaker 3: two am.

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Speaker 10: Linda, No, probably not.

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Speaker 11: But I'm going to be scared of a courtroom that

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Speaker 11: has a post office on its first floor.

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Speaker 3: What is in this flask rubbing alcohol?

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Speaker 10: Give it back?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 3: I didn't say I didn't want it. So that's where

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Speaker 3: we'll sit. I guess how many lawyers on the other side,

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Speaker 3: I mean how many attorneys does the Dallas District Attorney have?

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Speaker 10: One hundred and thirty?

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Speaker 3: You don't think they'll all show up to you? Seriously

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Speaker 3: though they won't, right, I'm still terrified, Sarah.

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Speaker 11: We're gonna stand right over there and argue that abortion

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Speaker 11: should be legal in Texas. The DA's office will fry

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Speaker 11: us like an egg on the sidewalk in July.

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Speaker 10: And we'll go home.

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Speaker 3: Sounds about rat but.

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Speaker 11: You know what will be going home with more court

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Speaker 11: experience than almost any other woman our age, and we'll

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Speaker 11: know we tried, Sarah.

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Speaker 10: We may lose, but the.

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Speaker 11: Court will still publish a public record that when women

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Speaker 11: were dying and the legislature failed to act, Sarah Weddington

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Speaker 11: and Linda Coffee did what they could.

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Speaker 7: It's time, Judge, ignore the cameras, ignore the microphones, and

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Speaker 7: remain not in the.

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Speaker 4: Middle on everything. I'm surprised you haven't asked me to

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Speaker 4: tattoo it to my eyelids.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna do fine, Judge, just stick to the script.

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Speaker 4: It's my confirmation hearings, not a Broadway play. Now, please

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Speaker 4: go away. You're making me nervous.

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Speaker 2: Right back at you, Judge, Good luck.

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Speaker 4: Dad, Thank you, Sally. Any advice for your old man.

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Speaker 3: Just say what you think is right.

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Speaker 4: Be yourself, Judge, I beg you please do the opposite

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Speaker 4: of that.

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Speaker 10: Just ignore them.

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Speaker 11: Sarah, let's get inside.

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Speaker 10: You, Okay.

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Speaker 3: A couple of those ladies regulars is my father's church.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Linda?

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Speaker 10: My God? This Sarah. One hour and then we'll go home.

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Speaker 11: Hey, we didn't have anything better to do this morning anyway, Right, all.

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Speaker 12: Rise, let's proceed.

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Speaker 3: You're upland you got this.

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Speaker 10: Your honors mayn't please the court. Mmmm.

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Speaker 11: We seek declarative and injunctive relief on behalf of our

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Speaker 11: clients due to texas As anti abortion laws infringing on

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Speaker 11: a citizen's basic rights. The right to abortion is a

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Speaker 11: fundamental one that falls into the category of of sorry of.

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Speaker 10: Fundamental rights accorded.

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Speaker 6: Excuse me.

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Speaker 10: Special protection in stan Lee v.

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Speaker 11: Georgia, which extended special protection.

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Speaker 12: Missus Weddington anytime. It's all right, Missus Weddington, take a breath.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Judge Cheese, Your honors. I would like to

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Speaker 3: draw the court's attention to the fact that laugh is

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Speaker 3: an ongoing process. To say that laugh is present at

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Speaker 3: conception is to give recognition to the potential rather than

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Speaker 3: the actual, which is far beyond any court's purview.

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Speaker 12: Assistant Attorney General Floyd.

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Speaker 13: Your honors. These abortion laws are in place for one reason,

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Speaker 13: to prevent murder. Now, the mother's womb offers food and shelter,

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Speaker 13: just like a baby in its home. To destroy an

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Speaker 13: infant in the womb is homicide.

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Speaker 3: It's your honors. In Keeler v. Superior Court, it was

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Speaker 3: found that a husband who killed his pregnant wife, causing

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Speaker 3: the death of their thirty five week old fetus, was

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Speaker 3: guilty of one.

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Speaker 13: Murder not to the plaintiff's lack standing, Your Honors, Jane Roe,

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Speaker 13: who isn't even present today, must either be.

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Speaker 3: If one lesson can be learned from history, Your honors,

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Speaker 3: it's that through time in all cultures outlawng abortion never

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Speaker 3: prevents women from getting them. It merely sends them underground.

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Speaker 12: I have a question, missus Weddington, Yes, your honor. What

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Speaker 12: about other district attorneys in the state, Your honor? According

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Speaker 12: to the language of your suit, this case doesn't affect them.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, it was our understanding that all district attorneys

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Speaker 3: would be enjoined. We didn't mean obviously, we meant your honor.

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Speaker 3: We goofed.

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Speaker 4: Ready, Harry as I'll ever be, Warren relax. Swearing in

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Speaker 4: is just the beginning. Oh I'm damn proud of you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Warren. Dottie says, I need to be better

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Speaker 4: at showing emotion. So I want you to know I

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Speaker 4: became a judge because you told me to. I appreciate

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Speaker 4: everything you've done to get me here, to get us here.

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Speaker 14: But ninety four zero confirmation in the Senate, that was

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Speaker 14: all you, Harry. Gather around people, Let's go, let's go, Harry,

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Speaker 14: repeat after me. I, Harry Blackman, do solemnly swear I

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Speaker 14: will administer justice without respect to persons and do equal

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Speaker 14: right to the poor and to the rich.

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Speaker 4: I Harry Blackman, do solemnly swear I will administer justice

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Speaker 4: without respect to persons, and do equal right to the

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Speaker 4: poor and to the rich.

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Speaker 5: Hi, Daddy, Sarah, we just missed Pastor White.

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Speaker 2: He was asking after you.

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Speaker 3: I'll betty?

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Speaker 5: Was what that tone is supposed to mean? I really

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Speaker 5: don't know.

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Speaker 3: Forget it. Sorry, how are things? How's holiday prep?

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Speaker 5: It's coming fine, Sarah, glad.

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Speaker 3: To hear it. You've been avoiding me, Daddy.

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Speaker 2: Don't be ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You've been dodging my calls. You didn't even come downstairs

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Speaker 3: when Ron and I dropped by the house last week.

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Speaker 5: I had an hour left to rewrap my sermons, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Since when does it take you more than ten minutes?

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Speaker 3: Did it have to be this what this case? Yes?

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Speaker 3: It did, as a matter of fact. Why because there

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Speaker 3: are no other cases, not ones anyone will give you.

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Speaker 5: I'll raise your voice.

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Speaker 3: Carry This has put you in an awkward position at church.

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Speaker 5: I've lost parishioneries over it. Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: Mom said, Daddy, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: Congregants who have been with me for decades. Friends, A

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Speaker 5: handful of them came to me asking when the hack

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Speaker 5: you became such a radical. I couldn't give them an answer.

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Speaker 5: It sounded like I didn't even know my own daughter.

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Speaker 5: And then I meditated on a bit. Is it just

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Speaker 5: to spite me, sir? What it must be? Why else?

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Speaker 5: This isn't you, Sarah? What possible experience could a girl

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Speaker 5: like you have with abortion? You've been married since you

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Speaker 5: were twenty two years old, and you've never shown the

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Speaker 5: least bit of interest in the insanity that seems to

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Speaker 5: have taken the world by the throat of the last

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Speaker 5: few years. Your mother and I have prided ourselves on

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Speaker 5: that you and your brother have always been too smart,

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Speaker 5: too practical. So why I've been racking my brain trying

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Speaker 5: to come up with an answer Something your mother or

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Speaker 5: I did. Something You're angry with us about some point

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Speaker 5: you're trying to make Linda.

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Speaker 3: And I did terribly in court, okay, or amateurs? We

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Speaker 3: made rookie mistakes, Daddy. We'll get word in the next

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Speaker 3: few days that we lost. And if Bee and dev

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Speaker 3: and the rest of the women's group can even get

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Speaker 3: their act together to appeal a real lawyer will take over.

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Speaker 3: I was humiliated, Daddy. Now I need you to stop

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Speaker 3: being so mad at me. Please. I can't take it

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Speaker 3: on top of everything else. Okay, Okay, it's over.

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Speaker 5: I promise, I believe you. Let's just put this behind

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Speaker 5: us if we can. Can't say I'm disappointed in the outcome,

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Speaker 5: but I do hate seeing you so upset. This is Referendragel.

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Speaker 5: Yes she is. As a matter of fact, one moment.

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Speaker 2: It's for you, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I told the office they could reach me here. Hello,

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Speaker 3: mister Owens, Linda, slow down. I can barely understand you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god. I'll be right there.

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Speaker 5: Everything all right? You look what as a ghost?

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Speaker 3: That was Linda Coffee, my co council on the case.

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Speaker 3: She had news?

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Speaker 2: What news?

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you want to sit down for this, Teddy.

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