Speaker 1: Welcome to Special Teams, a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: Greetings and Welcome Inside Special Teams with Jason Smith and
Speaker 1: Mike harmon our podcast. It takes a look back at
Speaker 1: very big years and sports and very special teams that achieve.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's football, sometimes it's basketball, Sometimes it's baseball, Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's soccer, sometimes it's hockey. Sometimes it's mumblety peg. Although,
Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes the mumbley peg it's you get
Speaker 1: get real blood and if you cut somebody's finger. But
Speaker 1: we had to do that in two parts. It was
Speaker 1: so big, yeah, mumbley Well, they have been some big
Speaker 1: mumble peg years because there's big moments. Yes, there goes
Speaker 1: a ring finger. I mean, the highlights are really next level.
Speaker 1: Some of them. You've got to really spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time editing to get the explains out. Today we
Speaker 1: are looking back at the magical year of and not
Speaker 1: one but two Special Teams. So a bit of a
Speaker 1: wrinkle we have for you today because we're looking back
Speaker 1: the college football season, which resulted in a co national
Speaker 1: championship between the Washington Huskies and the Miami Hurricanes, a
Speaker 1: championship that because of the way it ended with a
Speaker 1: split national title helped foster what would eventually become the
Speaker 1: BCS and what would eventually become the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: Long road to get to the playoffs. But I shake
Speaker 1: my my fist as many people do upon hearing the
Speaker 1: term BCS. Dan, that's their faults, your fault, Miami, it's
Speaker 1: your fault, Washington. And now what you have to remember,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure everybody remembers this, but just in cases.
Speaker 1: Back in the nineties, before we got to the BCS system,
Speaker 1: the national championship was awarded by two properties, the Associated
Speaker 1: Press and the Coaches Poll. And what happened is we
Speaker 1: saw the bowl games played and whoever was the number
Speaker 1: one team in the country. Usually they win their bowl game,
Speaker 1: they're voted number one in the end. But this year
Speaker 1: we had a split national title second year in a row,
Speaker 1: because we're coming off the split national title the year before.
Speaker 1: The Associated Press goes one way, the Coaches Pole goes
Speaker 1: the other way. We got into this a little bit
Speaker 1: in the split national title between Michigan and Nebraska in
Speaker 1: one of our earlier podcasts. Well, we chuckle any time
Speaker 1: you say coaches Paul, because it's like, all right, information director,
Speaker 1: who for yeah, the the the guy whose son came
Speaker 1: to visit the coach, and the coach said, hey, just
Speaker 1: film out my bracket over here. Fill this out. See
Speaker 1: why I got some game tape to watch. Leave me alone.
Speaker 1: So the season begins for Washington and Miami teams. Who
Speaker 1: do you want to do first? Washington? And how we
Speaker 1: start with the Huskies? All right, Yeah, we've got some
Speaker 1: personal connections to that team, so let's give them the others.
Speaker 1: Who's our buddy, Lincoln Kennedy? Oh right, yes, long time, Yes,
Speaker 1: I forgot about league and Fox Sports Radio Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Yeah, all around? Good guy? Is he is? He? Is?
Speaker 1: He really that? And he's walking in front of you.
Speaker 1: I mean he blocks the sun. He does. He is
Speaker 1: a very big dude and he played on this team.
Speaker 1: Washington Huskies, coached by Don James, had high hopes coming
Speaker 1: into the season, much like many teams we talked about
Speaker 1: here on the podcast. They have high helps. Everybody's got
Speaker 1: high hopes coming into the year. They were coming off
Speaker 1: a really good and Mark Brunel was the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: for Washington. He looked like he was going to become
Speaker 1: one of the next star quarterbacks in college football. But
Speaker 1: he rips up his knee in the spring, and he
Speaker 1: has done for months, and the Washington Huskies have to
Speaker 1: open up with their backup quarterback Billie Joe Hobert, who
Speaker 1: was gonna start for Brunel while he rehabbed and tried
Speaker 1: to race his way back into the lineup. Well, remember
Speaker 1: how the year before, right, they get a big Rose
Speaker 1: Bowl win, but a late season lost U c l
Speaker 1: A kept them from having a steak at the national title.
Speaker 1: So they're all salty, and now you have your quarterback
Speaker 1: go down in in the spring, wondering how quickly you
Speaker 1: can rehab and again knee injuries then a whole other volume.
Speaker 1: I I got hurt back then, like things they wouldn't
Speaker 1: clear me for trying to look at no. But in
Speaker 1: all series of broken leg that I that I did
Speaker 1: when I was in high school that I had, you know,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't sign off on me when I was looking
Speaker 1: to go to a military academy back then. If you're
Speaker 1: a quarterback, a knee injury, we may see again, we
Speaker 1: may not for Brunell. Unfortunately, long term it worked out
Speaker 1: pretty well Jaguars, but in short term opened the door
Speaker 1: for for a replacement. So the seventeenth year of Don
Speaker 1: James's run at Washington. Who were the star players We
Speaker 1: told you about Mark Brunell, who did come back into
Speaker 1: action that year, Billy Joe Hobert, who oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: goes from hey, this is a guy that won the
Speaker 1: national championship to this guy brought down the Huskies Pro
Speaker 1: Graham a year later. Something we'll get into later on
Speaker 1: in the podcast. Napoleon Kaufman was there, big running back.
Speaker 1: He was just a freshman. He was so fast. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's known for the horrific knee injury he suffered in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, but this is back when he
Speaker 1: was a freshman and he was so fast. I mean,
Speaker 1: you watch this guy in artificial turf, and there was
Speaker 1: nobody who was better than he was on defense. Steve
Speaker 1: Entman went very high in the draft to Marco Farr,
Speaker 1: who I've done many shows with uh in the course
Speaker 1: of my career doing sports talk radio Ram's coverage in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. After a nice career in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: a guy have run into it several taco places through
Speaker 1: the years here in l A very crazy so they
Speaker 1: were the team to beat in the then Pack ten Conference, Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes Dennis Rickson head coach ed Orgeron was
Speaker 1: on the stand of young Eddio, who they probably couldn't
Speaker 1: understand anything he was saying. No, he got a mumbled
Speaker 1: like the dude from the Water Boy still does. But
Speaker 1: it's been successful for him and his coaching career. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is a team that wound up finishing twelve and
Speaker 1: oh overall, they played a partial conference schedule in the
Speaker 1: Big East. Things were really messy, and Miami was able
Speaker 1: to get out of the gate fast and become the
Speaker 1: rock stars of college football. I say this because way
Speaker 1: do you see some of the star power they had
Speaker 1: on this team, guys that went to the NFL that
Speaker 1: you go, My goodness, these guys were great. You had
Speaker 1: Leon Searcy, all right. You had Gino Torretta who went
Speaker 1: on to win the Heisman Trophy. You had Michael Barrow,
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, Jesse Armstead. Dwayne Johnson was a freshman on
Speaker 1: this team. Yes, that Dwayne Johnson, the Rock was on
Speaker 1: this team. Horace Copeland played in the NFL for a
Speaker 1: long time. It was top to bottom back when the
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes were really the bad boys of college football
Speaker 1: back in their midst to their rivalry with Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson had left to go to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The program in great hands with Dennis Ericson. I do
Speaker 1: want to point out before we get into the US
Speaker 1: that the Big East football standings, of which Miami played
Speaker 1: a partial schedule, they were not your Big East champions.
Speaker 1: That was number eleven Syracuse, which finished five O and
Speaker 1: o in the Big East back when you played like
Speaker 1: five conference games. I don't even remember any of the
Speaker 1: stars from that Syracuse team. Oh there were there were some.
Speaker 1: That's PASCALONEI right, Oh, yeah, that that was him taking
Speaker 1: over for Dick McPherson. Uh, that was I believe, Ernie Davis.
Speaker 1: In the backfield, Floyd Little Brown, Jim Brown was just
Speaker 1: doing it all. Marvin Harrison, uh, Marvin Graves, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys named Marvin, you know. And yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: No it certainly Quentin spot Wood was catching some passes
Speaker 1: on the outside. Quintin's fy like that showing you some
Speaker 1: Syracuse knowledge. That pretty good. That is pretty good. So
Speaker 1: these are your team's Miami highly rated coming into the season,
Speaker 1: as was Washington three thousand miles away. What was everybody
Speaker 1: else talking about besides college football? In let's take a
Speaker 1: look back at that year in review. Debuting on television
Speaker 1: in Home Improvement with Tim Allen Wilson, Wow, why what
Speaker 1: are you just grunting? Like? Well, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: I know, but run a lot, I know, but that
Speaker 1: that sounded really weird that you just started grunting, Like
Speaker 1: I said, Tim Allen's name was like a Pavlovian response
Speaker 1: in you I'm gonna grunt. It was either that or
Speaker 1: I was gonna start running lines from Galaxy quests, but
Speaker 1: I thought those might be a bit obscure for people. No,
Speaker 1: I was giving him though we're finished line. Oh I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Uh Ren and Stimpy debuted in eight,
Speaker 1: as did the Jerry Springer Show. Nice, you know it
Speaker 1: really it really gets me that. I guess I feel
Speaker 1: like in this day and age, it shouldn't shock me,
Speaker 1: but it's still At that time, this guy was the
Speaker 1: mayor of Sinconna and now he's a guy saying you
Speaker 1: are not the father. No, no, no, it's Mari. He
Speaker 1: also debut that's doing that. Terry Springer was just how
Speaker 1: can I get a bunch of craziness up on stage,
Speaker 1: and then Steve, who was the security guy. He got
Speaker 1: him show himself a show for a decade. Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve.
Speaker 1: Cloudy with the Chance of Meatballs was still years away.
Speaker 1: The movies in theaters. Terminator to Judgment Day had everybody
Speaker 1: running to the box office. I feel like Bob going,
Speaker 1: you don't have the hair. But it also had a
Speaker 1: guns and Roses song. Everyone was quiet watching the silence
Speaker 1: of the lambs. Yeah, Oscar Winner for a few minutes
Speaker 1: on screen, still terrifying. Beauty and the Beast was the
Speaker 1: latest hit by Disney on the animation screen. Cell Cell Cell,
Speaker 1: I remember going to that. You know, that was date
Speaker 1: night with in high school and everyone wanted to have
Speaker 1: sex on top of a fire truck because of backdraft.
Speaker 1: Now I'm Russ Leatherman. If you would like to see
Speaker 1: a sex scene with Billy Baldwin and Jennifer Jason Lee
Speaker 1: one now and here I was gonna start quoting Bull
Speaker 1: you go, I go. I mean, well, don't spoil it
Speaker 1: for anybody. It's spen a minute, you know. Obviously ninety
Speaker 1: one was a very heavy year as well. At the
Speaker 1: beginning of Operation Desert storm, Mike Tyson was arrested. It
Speaker 1: was a very heavy year in the news, and the
Speaker 1: Gulf War really took on the majority of the news
Speaker 1: cycle for a long time. Yeah, you had that. You
Speaker 1: had a lot of world leaders change out. Michael Gorbachov resigned,
Speaker 1: like Wealnza you had. You had a bunch of turmoil
Speaker 1: and and just change over in world powers. When I
Speaker 1: found out when the Gulf War was on, I was
Speaker 1: in my history of the horror film class at Syracuse,
Speaker 1: right I took. I took history though. It was a
Speaker 1: great class. It was so awesome. And we were watching
Speaker 1: a movie and the class was we'd watch a movie
Speaker 1: one night and then talk about it the next night.
Speaker 1: And that was that was a class. It was such
Speaker 1: a great class. Tomatoes. We didn't watch that. We watched
Speaker 1: good come on, we watch good stuff. And we were
Speaker 1: watching a movie and the Gulf War was announced and
Speaker 1: somebody opened up the bat like we're in a big auditorium.
Speaker 1: Someone opened up the big doors and yelled, we just
Speaker 1: bombed Iraq. The wars on and everybody's like muttering to
Speaker 1: each other, going and half the people got up to leave,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I get that and our professors
Speaker 1: up and said, you are all responsible for this movie
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. I still got to do your work must
Speaker 1: go on. I think we're watching Suspiria. I mean not
Speaker 1: the remake, but the old one. Yes, the Spiria. The
Speaker 1: old movie was really good. I mean the original. It's
Speaker 1: an Italian horror movie. Okay. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: great horror movies came out of Italy in the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties. I have to go revisit trust. Maybe that'll
Speaker 1: be an episode of a podcast. That was the precursor
Speaker 1: of all the great European NBA players who came over
Speaker 1: in the nineties. So fired by the horror films we
Speaker 1: had the United States and then we had players like
Speaker 1: Dirk come over in the nineties. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are going into the college football
Speaker 1: season of coming up next, we have traversy. We have
Speaker 1: games interrupted on television on a Saturday because of hearings,
Speaker 1: and the very first wide right as we celebrate Washington
Speaker 1: and Miami, they're dual national championship. Here on Special Teams.
Speaker 1: Continuing on with Special Teams, Jason Smith, Mike Harmon Our
Speaker 1: show heard on Fox Sports Radio Monday through Friday, ten
Speaker 1: pm to two am on the East Coast, seven to
Speaker 1: eleven on the West Coast. We are your genial hosts
Speaker 1: as we look back at big teams in big years
Speaker 1: in sports history. Today, continuing on with the shared National Championship,
Speaker 1: as we break down two teams for you, the Washington
Speaker 1: Huskies and the Miami Hurricanes, both teams highly rated coming
Speaker 1: into the season. For the Miami Hurricanes, it was no
Speaker 1: problem early on. They blitched to a four and o record,
Speaker 1: beating Oklahoma State four three in early October, setting up
Speaker 1: their first big showdown of the year against number nine
Speaker 1: Penn State in a game in which they would win
Speaker 1: to twenty. But this game wasn't really known as much
Speaker 1: for what Miami did is the fact that this game
Speaker 1: was interrupted outside of South Florida because of the Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas hearings. He was nominated to the Supreme Court. He
Speaker 1: was then accused of sexual misconduct by Anita Hill, and
Speaker 1: the world was consumed with Clarence Thomas. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be okay as a Supreme Court justice? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: wind up not getting it? This is a very big story,
Speaker 1: And when the hearings resumed, ABC cut away from this
Speaker 1: game to go show the Clarence Thomas hearings. So if
Speaker 1: you're watching this game nationwide, it's wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: still want to watch football. I don't want to watch this.
Speaker 1: I want to watch football. It's before the current world
Speaker 1: where you could go put it on any one of
Speaker 1: your cable properties if you'd like to watch this Fox
Speaker 1: Plasiness channel over here, right? How crazy that? Like Fox
Speaker 1: Business Channel has? I remember watching Stanford and Cal on
Speaker 1: Fox Business Channel because there was they had to put
Speaker 1: the games someplace because other things happened and and games
Speaker 1: ran overtime. Well, I've been at watering holes restaurants and
Speaker 1: people like what am I watching here? Because you'll see
Speaker 1: the commercial Hey on Monday's show come back to It's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's really the football game. Just calm down. It'll get
Speaker 1: back there in a second, just a different set of ads.
Speaker 1: It'll be there. But yeah, it's it's just a different
Speaker 1: world in terms of how news is disseminated, how people
Speaker 1: get their reach through their phones or laptops or in
Speaker 1: this case, multiple cable channels. I mean, it was it
Speaker 1: was really shocking to think that there was no other
Speaker 1: way to watch the game. There was we're not moving
Speaker 1: into a sister station, We're not watching on PBS, You're
Speaker 1: not going anywhere else because look, cable was still in
Speaker 1: its infancy in early nineties, but everybody had fifty five
Speaker 1: sixty channels. Yeah, you could have found a way to
Speaker 1: do it in fear, Yes, but he's at that point.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you know, there wasn't the need or desire. Maybe
Speaker 1: we looked at politics and the world a little differently.
Speaker 1: Some thirty years ago. It was a big day for
Speaker 1: Gino Torrette at quarterback. You through an eight yr touchdown
Speaker 1: past to Horace Copeland, a forty two yard touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Lamar Thomas, but Penn State fought back and had
Speaker 1: a chance to potentially win this game. Tony Saka throws
Speaker 1: a pick late in the fourth quarter on a play
Speaker 1: that has been subject of a lot of controversy because
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, who was their best defensive back it was
Speaker 1: a first round pick in the NFL, caught the ball
Speaker 1: outside of the goal line, but his momentum kind of
Speaker 1: carried him into the end zone and then he kind
Speaker 1: of ran and he ran out of bounds, and the
Speaker 1: clock stopped, and it probably should have been a safety
Speaker 1: that Penn State cuts the score to two and then
Speaker 1: gets the football back with at least a few seconds left.
Speaker 1: Is this play happened in the final minute. It's a
Speaker 1: play now that you would watch and go, well, he
Speaker 1: caught it, okay, well man the end, he tried to run. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you can't just wait a minute, that's a safety, but
Speaker 1: not rule the safety on the field and Miami escapes
Speaker 1: well and with no replay, although in nineteen would replay
Speaker 1: have gotten it right even if they went back to
Speaker 1: check the tape, there is that right has the old
Speaker 1: rule of thumb is like if we only had the technology,
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes it really doesn't clear things up either.
Speaker 1: But you know, for for Joe Paterno and Mission and
Speaker 1: and for Penn State, I got Michigan on the brain
Speaker 1: because you're you're a Michigan game. The idea of Joe
Speaker 1: Paterno and Penn State was only in year two in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, so it's a different world as opposed
Speaker 1: to the past years as a juggernaut outside of that structure.
Speaker 1: So this was a huge game to top ten teams.
Speaker 1: And it ends just like that Miami came into the
Speaker 1: year ranked number three. After this win against Penn State,
Speaker 1: they stayed at number two, and then they would go
Speaker 1: on to many big time victories. But we'll get to
Speaker 1: their next close game coming up in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: For the Washington Huskies, they started out they were ranked
Speaker 1: number four out of the gate and again they didn't
Speaker 1: have too much problem their first few weeks. They got
Speaker 1: back to back shutouts of Arizona and Toledo fifty four nothing,
Speaker 1: forty eight nothing. And after these couple of games, but
Speaker 1: Washington defense started taking on a life of its own,
Speaker 1: as it was widely viewed as the best defense in
Speaker 1: college food. Well, what was interesting about it? All right?
Speaker 1: As we mentioned the injury to Brunel and Hobart having
Speaker 1: to take over. As you go into games at Stanford
Speaker 1: at Nebraska, two places where you're like, all right, first
Speaker 1: year quarterback, first year attempt to start a season. You
Speaker 1: thought with Brunella it was gonna roll in Instead, n
Speaker 1: and the the defense take on a whole other life.
Speaker 1: They had beaten Nebraska early in the season thirty six
Speaker 1: twenty one. That was their closest game. Nebraska was a
Speaker 1: top ten team. They go into a game October nineteen
Speaker 1: at Cal, who has ranked seventh in the country. And
Speaker 1: I remember this game. I remember watching it. I remember
Speaker 1: everything about it because I can say it because it's
Speaker 1: years later. I illegally bet on this game is gone,
Speaker 1: you know how. I remember this was kind of Pack
Speaker 1: twelve after Dark before Pack twelve after Dark. I remember
Speaker 1: this because I won a lot of money on this.
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm a college senior at this point, and
Speaker 1: I knew a guy who knew a guy who did
Speaker 1: right who I thought you were gonna say, who was
Speaker 1: really close to a player on the team, And I
Speaker 1: was gonna start sinking underneath my chair. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you who it is, but his name rhymes with Schmive Schmittman. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I knew a guy do a guy that did parley sheets,
Speaker 1: and I this was a five team parlay and I
Speaker 1: bet ten dollars on it, right, And back then it
Speaker 1: was like if you hit five games, you won like
Speaker 1: sixty bucks. Right then you had to go five for five.
Speaker 1: And this was my last game of the day, and
Speaker 1: I bet Cal because they were getting fourteen points. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Cow's at home. I know washing this good,
Speaker 1: but they're getting fourteen points. Cow's pretty good. Mike Paulowski
Speaker 1: is a pretty good quarterback. He was a quarterback at
Speaker 1: Cal and I said, Okay, you know this is gonna
Speaker 1: be this is gonna be a big day. I'm gonna win.
Speaker 1: And I wound up winning because Washington wins this game
Speaker 1: in dramatic fashion by a touchdown seventeen. But I don't
Speaker 1: care because I was getting fourteen points and I was
Speaker 1: sixty dollars Richard, which when I was twenty one sixty bucks.
Speaker 1: The beer I bought, oh, the Peels bar bottles that
Speaker 1: we were in a big Peels bar bottles thing back then.
Speaker 1: The Peels bar bottles I bought like four cases. Then
Speaker 1: they're like ten dollars. We were drinking those for like
Speaker 1: a month and a half. I was a little nervous
Speaker 1: that you're gonna start telling me about the list of
Speaker 1: hobo wines or something that you're going there for cents.
Speaker 1: I really loaded up. Hey, let's this is from Mike Velosky.
Speaker 1: We're still enjoying this beer because he almost pulled off
Speaker 1: the upset. A couple of great things out of this.
Speaker 1: Bruce Sneider's your cow coach. Yeah, alright, and long career
Speaker 1: for him and before he went on to start beating
Speaker 1: up on cupcakes at Kansas State. There is that too,
Speaker 1: uh and then you, um, you looked at having a
Speaker 1: touchdown called back because of a holding puddally which helped
Speaker 1: you finished the job. Now, this game ended very not controversially,
Speaker 1: but very heart stopping. Lee. I remember the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Cal was Steve Mariucci. Sure, this is Mooch who started
Speaker 1: to really grow his legend where he would go on
Speaker 1: to become the head coach of the forty Niners head
Speaker 1: coach of the Lions because he was this great offensive
Speaker 1: genius and he did great work at Cal. This was
Speaker 1: a close game. Cal was driving down. They were on
Speaker 1: the Washington twenty seven yard line. Final play of the
Speaker 1: game incomplete, but Washington is off sides, so they get
Speaker 1: one more play from the twenty two yard line. This
Speaker 1: is the only time Washington was threatened in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter all season long, and Pulaski's pass was just over
Speaker 1: the outstretched fingertips of one of his wide receivers. The
Speaker 1: ball falls incomplete and why Shington wins. And many players
Speaker 1: said after that game they knew that was gonna be
Speaker 1: their big test it was survived, advance and exhale, and
Speaker 1: they get out of this big showdown against Cal with
Speaker 1: a seven point win. Escape on the road. Right, there's
Speaker 1: always gotta be one of those. And all of these
Speaker 1: special teams that we've examined, the ones that succeeded, Yes, man,
Speaker 1: obviously we've got the abject failures mixed they're in. But
Speaker 1: for those that finished the job, there's one or two
Speaker 1: games where they've got to survive some crazy sequence, the
Speaker 1: near miss, a bogus penalty. But this one at at
Speaker 1: Cal seventeen, your final get you to six and oh,
Speaker 1: you're halfway through. Your defense has played really well and
Speaker 1: even here comes up with stops in big spots to
Speaker 1: thwart Maryuchi's best efforts. But yeah, you have to exhale
Speaker 1: and then get back on the grind for the rest
Speaker 1: of your schedule. And that's exactly what they did. That
Speaker 1: was the closest game they had played the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. They had a low scoring game at USC
Speaker 1: beat them fourteen to three. USC was unranked, but it
Speaker 1: didn't really matter because they weren't really threatened in that game.
Speaker 1: They get all the way through the rest of their
Speaker 1: season undefeated. They win the Apple Cup over Washington State
Speaker 1: fifty six to twenty one. At this point their ranked
Speaker 1: number two in the country and they are going to
Speaker 1: the Rose Ball. They score four hundred sixty one points
Speaker 1: on the year, giving up a hundred one. About that.
Speaker 1: The interesting part of this is as good as the defense.
Speaker 1: Watch right, a hundred one points in eleven games. You're
Speaker 1: talking about ten points a game. Mark Brunell at this
Speaker 1: point had come back to the team and he came
Speaker 1: back and I remember he rushed to come back and
Speaker 1: he told Don James, listen, I don't want to cause
Speaker 1: any controversy. I just want to contribute. So in the
Speaker 1: beginning he came back and he was just holding on
Speaker 1: extra points. He wanted to come back and get on
Speaker 1: the field some way, some way, Ship because Billy Joe
Speaker 1: Hobert's playing well, the team is scoring points that there's
Speaker 1: no reason to make a move. And Brunell was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I just want to contribute. And he came back and
Speaker 1: he was holding you. You come back from a shredded
Speaker 1: knee and you're actually playing a few months later. That's
Speaker 1: a big time come back. Marc Bounell to go from
Speaker 1: March until December and hey, you're back and actually on
Speaker 1: the field. But this was Billy Joe Hobert's team, and
Speaker 1: Brunelle was coming back, and eventually, you do, they were
Speaker 1: gonna have an issue because you have two really good quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But for now, for Washington, everything is going okay. Well,
Speaker 1: you had to have a guy that said, uh, I
Speaker 1: have NFL wants and aspirations. I gotta get back out
Speaker 1: the field and show people I could play. But you know,
Speaker 1: in in terms of just their overall production from an
Speaker 1: offensive side, we always talk about the eighty five Bears
Speaker 1: and that defense and how brilliant they were. And look,
Speaker 1: there's thousands of writers who've made careers off the next
Speaker 1: book or next iteration of the Bears eight five story.
Speaker 1: But what's often lost is that they were among the
Speaker 1: highest scoring teams each and every year, just like this
Speaker 1: Washington team. You might might be noted for the defensive
Speaker 1: efforts and the brilliance that they showed and exhibited in
Speaker 1: some of these big games, but also the fact that
Speaker 1: they just roll dump teams time and again. A couple
Speaker 1: of fifty burgers mixed there in. Yeah, they rolled it up.
Speaker 1: So what about Miami ranked number two in the country.
Speaker 1: They headed into a one versus to showdown on November
Speaker 1: six at Florida State. This became the very first wide
Speaker 1: right game. Now in parlance, it's wide right one, because
Speaker 1: we've had a few more games like this the following
Speaker 1: year they had. They had wide right to five games
Speaker 1: in twelve years between Miami and Florida State, which really
Speaker 1: was the football rivalry of the nineties. There was nothing
Speaker 1: bigger than that. Notre Dame didn't have a bigger one. Michigan,
Speaker 1: Ohio State wasn't as big because this always came down
Speaker 1: to whoever won this game is gonna play for the
Speaker 1: national championship, you know, not even Ohio State. Michigan was
Speaker 1: like that. Ohio State was like we when we can
Speaker 1: play for the title. Michigan it's like we when we
Speaker 1: can play in the blue bonnetball and we're still gonna
Speaker 1: beat you. But this five games and twelve years were
Speaker 1: decided by a late field goal attempt, not always a
Speaker 1: field goal, but a field goal attempt. This was wide
Speaker 1: right one in which the Miami Hurricanes led this game
Speaker 1: seventeen sixteen, but Florida drove to the doorstep in the
Speaker 1: final seconds on third down with twenty nine seconds left,
Speaker 1: Florida State decided, now we're gonna kick the final field goal,
Speaker 1: which nowadays blows you away. First of all, why would
Speaker 1: you kick with twenty nine seconds left and give Miami
Speaker 1: any kind of time with the football when all they
Speaker 1: need is a field goal? But Bobby Bowden decided, we're
Speaker 1: gonna kick on third down, seconds left to go, from
Speaker 1: thirty four yards away. This is as chip a shot
Speaker 1: as you get in college football. Thirty four yards on
Speaker 1: the seventeen yard line. This is gonna be it. But
Speaker 1: what happens Jerry Thomas MSS wide right. This is Bobby
Speaker 1: Bowden running on the field looking taking his helmet off going,
Speaker 1: they're taking his hat off going. He missed, and Miami
Speaker 1: wins and name move up to being number one in
Speaker 1: the country. Here's the best part about this. Prior to
Speaker 1: the uprights were narrowed by four ft. Think about that,
Speaker 1: almost five full feet five full ft. This kick missed
Speaker 1: by about the length of a football. So if this
Speaker 1: were the old uprights, and you remember what it looks
Speaker 1: like watching a college football game, how wide the uprights were.
Speaker 1: They narrowed them by four ft. If they don't make
Speaker 1: that change, this field goal goes in, Florida State may
Speaker 1: go on to win a national championship in college football
Speaker 1: history is rewritten. But instead we get wide right one.
Speaker 1: Then you would have had Nick Saban, Chason, Bobby Bowden
Speaker 1: and Bobby Bowden and Bobby Bowden and would have never
Speaker 1: heard the end unquote an interception of bounce ball. You
Speaker 1: lose the game, you'd kick yourself in the rear for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. So that was Bobby Bowden's
Speaker 1: quote thereafter. And Keith Jackson was on the call, so
Speaker 1: you get the pageantry of him, uh giving this punctuation
Speaker 1: mark to a rivalry that all these years later, I mean,
Speaker 1: you do so many documentaries on how these teams battle
Speaker 1: for supremacy. So that was the win of the season
Speaker 1: from aami. They moved to number one in the country.
Speaker 1: They have a tough game the week after at Boston College,
Speaker 1: talking about going off this big win. We beat Florida State.
Speaker 1: We're on the road at Boston College and that's a
Speaker 1: dog fight and they win this game nineteen fourteen. But
Speaker 1: they get the benefit of the doubt from the Polsters. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a week after they play a big game. They
Speaker 1: go and play San Diego State and their last regular
Speaker 1: season game of the year, they win thirty twelve. So
Speaker 1: they head into their bowl game in the Orange Bowl
Speaker 1: the number one team in the country. And this is
Speaker 1: a really weird schedule for Miami to play. As we mentioned,
Speaker 1: they played a partial biggie schedule. I mean, look the
Speaker 1: conferences back in the early nineties with the new ones
Speaker 1: in the Big East, they were all insane. I mean,
Speaker 1: who plays a schedule like this? Think about this. This
Speaker 1: is Miami schedule, right. You think about the A c
Speaker 1: C and the conferences they you know, and where they play,
Speaker 1: and you're playing your conference games and then you're not
Speaker 1: going very far. You're playing teams close to you. This
Speaker 1: is their schedule, Okay, East Arkansas, Houston, Tulsa, Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: Like they're playing in the Big Twelve. Then it's Penn State,
Speaker 1: Long Beach State, Arizona, Long Beach State, West Virginia, Florida State,
Speaker 1: Boston College, San Diego State means, just like Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: you're an independent. They're like they're like the traveling all
Speaker 1: Stars across the country and play everyone are storming tour.
Speaker 1: So they go onto the Rose Bowl. I'm sorry, they
Speaker 1: go onto the Orange Bowl where they were going to
Speaker 1: play number eleven Nebraska. Meanwhile, for Washington they would go
Speaker 1: to the Rose Bowl facing number four Michigan. These were
Speaker 1: the top two teams in the country and coming up
Speaker 1: next even though we had two wins, didn't mean there
Speaker 1: wasn't a ton of controversy. That's coming up next right
Speaker 1: here special teams Jason Smith, Mike Harmon. So just how
Speaker 1: did it shake out that Miami and Washington split the
Speaker 1: national championship in and fostered a big change in college football? First,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Rose Bowl. It was the game
Speaker 1: earlier in the day, the granddaddy of them all. The
Speaker 1: middle of the afternoon, Washington crushes Michigan thirty four to fourteen.
Speaker 1: This is when Michigan would routinely go to the Rose
Speaker 1: Bowl and get killed by whoever was in the Pac ten.
Speaker 1: This game wasn't close, and you talked about running up
Speaker 1: the score at the end of the game to impress
Speaker 1: the pollsters. Two things happened at the end of this game.
Speaker 1: Michigan got an Oh by the way touchdown to turn
Speaker 1: a thirty four seven game into a thirty four four
Speaker 1: team game, and with Washington inside Michigan's ten yard line
Speaker 1: in the final minute, with their third string quarterback in
Speaker 1: the game, they decided to take a knee rather than
Speaker 1: run up the score. So this final score is thirty
Speaker 1: four teen, where had they played more for the jugular,
Speaker 1: it could have been forty one seven. And maybe that
Speaker 1: flips a few votes their way that go Miami's way.
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of gamesmanship that should have been considered,
Speaker 1: right you you go sportsmanship versus well, what are the
Speaker 1: true rules of engagement here? And the coaches all recognize
Speaker 1: what's at stake here that that's not something that you know,
Speaker 1: Gary Mueller is gonna lose his mind over. He might
Speaker 1: make a side eye comment about it after the game,
Speaker 1: but he recognizes how this is played. You know, you
Speaker 1: you're going for a national title and you've got another
Speaker 1: team in Miami that that's right there with you. At
Speaker 1: this point, Brunella is back and he's getting a couple
Speaker 1: of series each half. He threw a touchdown pass in
Speaker 1: this game. Also had a big day from Billy Joe Hobert.
Speaker 1: But the touchdown I talked about. Tyrone Wheatley ran for
Speaker 1: a fifty three yard touchdown with less than five minutes
Speaker 1: to go in the game, and that's one of those
Speaker 1: broken plays that listen, he'd stop Michigan all day and
Speaker 1: Tyron Wheatley gets in the end zone. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: seven looks a lot better than thirty four fourteen. We're
Speaker 1: talking about impressing people who are make in that vote,
Speaker 1: and that could have really tipped it because this was
Speaker 1: close both ways. Well, especially when you don't have people
Speaker 1: that necessarily see how the game flows, they just know
Speaker 1: the final score. Don't let it go to the judges
Speaker 1: is really when it all comes down to. Never let
Speaker 1: it go to the judges. So after this entire day
Speaker 1: of Bowl activity, back when everything was on January one
Speaker 1: and we watched all the way through to the end,
Speaker 1: the Orange Bowl was always the final Bowl game of
Speaker 1: the night. So this is the last game Miami and Nebraska,
Speaker 1: and Miami Nebraska played many classic games over the years.
Speaker 1: This was not one of them. This was Miami absolutely
Speaker 1: crushing the corn Huskers twenty two to nothing. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a big outpouring of offense for Miami, but Nebraska had
Speaker 1: nine first downs in this game and a hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy one total yards. This is almost thirty years later,
Speaker 1: they could still be playing that game and Nebraska wouldn't
Speaker 1: have any points. First shutout in eighteen years. So when
Speaker 1: you can put that in any press release and that's
Speaker 1: one of the leads, then when you get to the
Speaker 1: voting processes again, taking the AP and the coaches and
Speaker 1: looking into that that it's going to add a little
Speaker 1: bit of extra push. Obviously, Nebraska defensively did well. It
Speaker 1: came down to a lot of Carlos Squerta kicks. Carlos
Speaker 1: Squerta was there for about nine years. Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: win this game, and now we have to wait for
Speaker 1: the votes because this is the number one and number
Speaker 1: two team in the country. The number one team played
Speaker 1: the number eleven team. The number two team played the
Speaker 1: number four team, and the votes were close in both polls.
Speaker 1: Miami wins the Associated Press pole, Washington wins the coaches pole,
Speaker 1: so they split the national championship. Many people were not
Speaker 1: satisfied with this. Again, this is another split national title,
Speaker 1: and this sparked the beginning of what was called the
Speaker 1: Bowl Coalition, which was absolutely awful. This was a way
Speaker 1: college football tried to figure out a way to get
Speaker 1: the best teams playing against each other. In the bowl games, right,
Speaker 1: kind of what the BCS did. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: number one versus number two, and yeah, but this didn't work.
Speaker 1: And this is why this is doomed to failure because
Speaker 1: it all depended on teams who were contracted to different
Speaker 1: bowls if they were able to play in one bowl
Speaker 1: game or not. But this is back when the Orange
Speaker 1: Bowl usually at least had part of the National Championship
Speaker 1: involved in it because it was always Miami, Florida for
Speaker 1: one of those teams Nebraska was contracted to play, or
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve winner was contracted to play in the
Speaker 1: Orange Bowl, so usually it turned out to be some
Speaker 1: sort of form of Nebraska, Oklahoma Miami. But still this
Speaker 1: is doomed to failure because the number one thing about
Speaker 1: this was it didn't include the Pac Ten or the
Speaker 1: Big Ten because they were still contracted to play in
Speaker 1: the Rose Ball. So you're talking about these two teams
Speaker 1: could win the title. No, no, we're not in the
Speaker 1: bowl coalition. Wait really, why are we doing this? Then?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's better than what we have? Well,
Speaker 1: anything was an improvement, right, This is how it always
Speaker 1: came down to pass And even now when you you
Speaker 1: look at where the playoff is. As you and I
Speaker 1: sit and look back at this season, there's still a
Speaker 1: ground swell to make changes to where we're at. And
Speaker 1: you would argue, I think at least from where I sit,
Speaker 1: it's light years ahead of where you were. You know,
Speaker 1: people blindly throwing throwing their weight by yeah they won
Speaker 1: by how many? All right? Vondam higher? And then the
Speaker 1: as you said, the information director instead of the coach
Speaker 1: or maybe just friend of the show, we'd be in
Speaker 1: to fill things out, so you know, boosters and whatever else.
Speaker 1: So bit by bit you have improvement. And we're talking
Speaker 1: narrow margins here right, like four points in one poll,
Speaker 1: nine points in the other. And here we have chaos,
Speaker 1: controversy and a split national title. And when you refer
Speaker 1: to Carlos S. Wuerta, he is first Team All American.
Speaker 1: Carlos Wuerta. Oh, I thought you were gonna say, sir
Speaker 1: or something like that. Miami had five First Team All Americans. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Washington had eleven players taken in the NFL draft by
Speaker 1: Steve Entman, who went number one over all of the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Mario o' bailey, star wide receiver on the
Speaker 1: team he went later on in the draft as well.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is when the draft was twelve rounds
Speaker 1: to take a lot of players. That's all right, they
Speaker 1: still got drafted. I'm not gonna take that away from him.
Speaker 1: So Miami wins, Washington wins, We're sick of split national championships,
Speaker 1: and we have the Bowl coalition. This was really ready
Speaker 1: to rear its ugly head again the following year because
Speaker 1: what happened. Washington started out the season eight no. They
Speaker 1: were on a twenty two game win streak under Billy
Speaker 1: Joe Hobert, who was still the starting quarterback. Mark Brunelle
Speaker 1: again was back. Both of them had NFL futures. Brunel
Speaker 1: was playing a little bit more, but it was still
Speaker 1: Hobert's team and Washington was rolling. And then the story
Speaker 1: breaks with Washington and eight No that Billy Joe Hobert
Speaker 1: took fifty thou dollars from a family friend, which is
Speaker 1: of course against n c a A rules. He has
Speaker 1: ruled ineligible. Ark Brunel steps in, but it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Washington wins one more game but finishes nine and three.
Speaker 1: So what could have been back to back national championships
Speaker 1: or at least in theory, depending what the Bowl coalition
Speaker 1: would have figured out, turned into just an okay season.
Speaker 1: This also marked the end of Don James because he
Speaker 1: resigned over a two year bull band that Washington got
Speaker 1: because of Billy Joe Hobert. He goes in one year
Speaker 1: from being the guy who steps into the void the
Speaker 1: biggest question Mark, Oh my god, No, Mark Brunel doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He's great, and then he's the guy that brings down
Speaker 1: the Washington program that could have been back to back
Speaker 1: national championship. Yeah. Kind of an interesting thing, right when
Speaker 1: you look at what Don James was doing as well.
Speaker 1: They they had had that run in the late eighties
Speaker 1: where they weren't particularly good. Eight wins or fewer. He
Speaker 1: didn't take a raise after a six and five season
Speaker 1: and eighty eight all of these things. Now you're a
Speaker 1: title you know, split title and with with Obert. And
Speaker 1: you look at the fifty thou dollar loans and part
Speaker 1: of the ruling was, well, he had no assets or
Speaker 1: a payment schedule, Like how many loans have been put
Speaker 1: out in America for many different things cars and and
Speaker 1: for homes, I mean go back through the housing stuff.
Speaker 1: People were getting loans with anything. There's nothing I mean
Speaker 1: this is but the n C Double A being the
Speaker 1: n C Double A. They came and cracked down and
Speaker 1: it's the end of what could have been a huge
Speaker 1: run here. A lot of these guys, as you said,
Speaker 1: go on to the NFL, over being among them, but
Speaker 1: never really has his career take off. Twenty three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: twenty five i N T s for the career, and
Speaker 1: a QB rating our favorite stat of just sixty. Uh.
Speaker 1: Brunel of course had the big career with the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: going to the a f C Championship game early on
Speaker 1: in his career. He was fun, he was mobile, He
Speaker 1: was a really good quarterback for a long time. And
Speaker 1: you think, boy, if he didn't get hurt, I mean
Speaker 1: they obviously they won. If he was still the quarterback
Speaker 1: all next year, could they have one? Because he had
Speaker 1: to step in and suddenly start playing full football games
Speaker 1: when he hadn't done so south paw who could run,
Speaker 1: so you had. That element was certainly pivotal to his
Speaker 1: success with the Jaguars. But think about different element that
Speaker 1: you add to an offense there where you were already
Speaker 1: built for speed, something that they had shifted to in
Speaker 1: terms of their analysis and recruitment of players in those
Speaker 1: prior couple of years. Before we get to wear of
Speaker 1: it now, just a little bit on Don James, head
Speaker 1: coach at Washington, who was a head coach who was
Speaker 1: always respected, but by and large he escaped the general
Speaker 1: spotlight because of coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Bowden, Joe
Speaker 1: Paterno back then. But he resigned in protest over what
Speaker 1: he thought were the unfair sanctions against his team for
Speaker 1: these infractions that it revolved around Billy Joe Hobert. He
Speaker 1: wasn't named specifically as having broken any rules, but he
Speaker 1: decided to resign in protest and that was it for him.
Speaker 1: And later on he did an interview with the Seattle
Speaker 1: Times at which he said resign ending probably saved his
Speaker 1: life because of the coaching that told it was taking
Speaker 1: on him. Everything going on was just so much. Uh.
Speaker 1: He died in two thousand thirteen at the age of
Speaker 1: eighty And uh, you know, he's someone that when you
Speaker 1: hear them speak about his name now, it's of that
Speaker 1: legendary status. Now maybe West Coast Boy Don James, Boy,
Speaker 1: what a program he ran, What a horrible way it
Speaker 1: had to end for him. There was resigning, but at
Speaker 1: least he was able to look at his resignation and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, he had a great quality of life
Speaker 1: after that, and he stood up for something right. He
Speaker 1: stood up and it's one of the long list of
Speaker 1: players and coaches who have raised their hand at the
Speaker 1: way the n C double A from where I sit
Speaker 1: again arbitrarily decides how they're going to rule on different things.
Speaker 1: Hundred seventy eight, seventy six and three three ties. That's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Uh. Ten and five in Bowl games, three
Speaker 1: time Pac Ten Coach of the Year, all sorts of
Speaker 1: other coaching Coach of the Year honors, obviously the national
Speaker 1: t Idol and then six pack eight pack ten championships overall.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a distinguished career. He was just
Speaker 1: sixty years old when he stopped. He never entertained any
Speaker 1: other offers. He said doctors told him if he kept coaching,
Speaker 1: he probably would have died from stress. Uh five years
Speaker 1: after that. So it was great for Don James to
Speaker 1: be able to enjoy the rest of his life the
Speaker 1: way he did. And look, the guy got a national championship.
Speaker 1: He became a legend. What about some of those players
Speaker 1: and other personalities from these two teams? Where are they now?
Speaker 1: My car? Now? He got a couple of them. Obviously
Speaker 1: we know Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Uh. He went on
Speaker 1: to do something ju manji did he go on to
Speaker 1: do anything? Became the greatest entertainer, most electrifying entertainer in
Speaker 1: sports history. Dwayne Johnson. Dwayne Johnson never not ringing a bell.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's pilot Steve. We've got the patch, all right?
Speaker 1: How about Kip Vickers Guard Accounting? I t website design,
Speaker 1: but I wish I could have figured out the right
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Speaker 1: just joined that for a little bit too late. Uh.
Speaker 1: Darren Smith real estate investment development. Uh, and then also
Speaker 1: does some religious Bible study work. He got Leon Searcy.
Speaker 1: You mentioned him earlier. He's the CEO of Real Men Block.
Speaker 1: And you'll like this for it's got a two pronged approach.
Speaker 1: One it's we're gonna train lineman and we're gonna train
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Speaker 1: I like that. Take care of that. Guys need the
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Speaker 1: who aren't linemen? But we're like five, will that work?
Speaker 1: Short stocky build? You just look like the Hamburgler running
Speaker 1: around here. I don't know. I live on the other side.
Speaker 1: We got our buddy Lincoln Kennedy. You know, he's works
Speaker 1: for the Raiders for years, played in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: College Football Hall of Famer. Our team met at Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. He wanted to introduce me to a number
Speaker 1: of people at a party where I was mocked openly
Speaker 1: by a ray Lewis because my shoulders are wider than his. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got that going. If I tell you, if you
Speaker 1: ever get on Hinder, you make sure you write that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good, uh circle of people. So
Speaker 1: you got Donovan McNab, Jerom Pettis, Linkoy Kennedy, Donovan McNabb,
Speaker 1: and here's ray Lewis four times. That just for me.
Speaker 1: He's a Chicago guy and he's for you. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: uh and well, but he remembered that. So anytime I've
Speaker 1: run into Donovan since or been on the radio with Donovan,
Speaker 1: he's kind of mentioned that. And he kind of had
Speaker 1: to laugh at because ray Lewis said that, well, God,
Speaker 1: had shorted me. I'll keep it clean for the podcast.
Speaker 1: Napoleon Goffman, Uh, football coach up in Oakland and an
Speaker 1: ordained minister. Leif Johnson running back. Uh, he's doing mergers
Speaker 1: and acquisitions. I think you said Leif Garrett there for
Speaker 1: a second, you wanted it to be Leif Garretter You've
Speaker 1: got ed. Cunningham was a broadcaster at ESPN a long
Speaker 1: while the Center he walked away as the concussion issue
Speaker 1: really took over the narrative in college and pro football.
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Speaker 1: on look back split National championship between Washington and Miami.
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