WEBVTT - The 1991 Miami Hurricanes and Washington Huskies

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Special Teams, a production of I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Greetings and Welcome Inside Special Teams with Jason Smith and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike harmon our podcast. It takes a look back at

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<v Speaker 1>very big years and sports and very special teams that achieve.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's football, sometimes it's basketball, Sometimes it's baseball, Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's soccer, sometimes it's hockey. Sometimes it's mumblety peg. Although,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, sometimes the mumbley peg it's you get

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<v Speaker 1>get real blood and if you cut somebody's finger. But

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<v Speaker 1>we had to do that in two parts. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so big, yeah, mumbley Well, they have been some big

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<v Speaker 1>mumble peg years because there's big moments. Yes, there goes

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<v Speaker 1>a ring finger. I mean, the highlights are really next level.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them. You've got to really spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time editing to get the explains out. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>are looking back at the magical year of and not

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<v Speaker 1>one but two Special Teams. So a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>wrinkle we have for you today because we're looking back

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<v Speaker 1>the college football season, which resulted in a co national

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<v Speaker 1>championship between the Washington Huskies and the Miami Hurricanes, a

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<v Speaker 1>championship that because of the way it ended with a

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<v Speaker 1>split national title helped foster what would eventually become the

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<v Speaker 1>BCS and what would eventually become the College Football Playoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Long road to get to the playoffs. But I shake

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<v Speaker 1>my my fist as many people do upon hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>term BCS. Dan, that's their faults, your fault, Miami, it's

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<v Speaker 1>your fault, Washington. And now what you have to remember,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure everybody remembers this, but just in cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the nineties, before we got to the BCS system,

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<v Speaker 1>the national championship was awarded by two properties, the Associated

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<v Speaker 1>Press and the Coaches Poll. And what happened is we

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<v Speaker 1>saw the bowl games played and whoever was the number

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<v Speaker 1>one team in the country. Usually they win their bowl game,

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<v Speaker 1>they're voted number one in the end. But this year

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<v Speaker 1>we had a split national title second year in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're coming off the split national title the year before.

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<v Speaker 1>The Associated Press goes one way, the Coaches Pole goes

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<v Speaker 1>the other way. We got into this a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>in the split national title between Michigan and Nebraska in

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<v Speaker 1>one of our earlier podcasts. Well, we chuckle any time

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<v Speaker 1>you say coaches Paul, because it's like, all right, information director,

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<v Speaker 1>who for yeah, the the the guy whose son came

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<v Speaker 1>to visit the coach, and the coach said, hey, just

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<v Speaker 1>film out my bracket over here. Fill this out. See

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<v Speaker 1>why I got some game tape to watch. Leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So the season begins for Washington and Miami teams. Who

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do first? Washington? And how we

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<v Speaker 1>start with the Huskies? All right, Yeah, we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>personal connections to that team, so let's give them the others.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's our buddy, Lincoln Kennedy? Oh right, yes, long time, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about league and Fox Sports Radio Football Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Fame. Yeah, all around? Good guy? Is he is? He? Is?

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<v Speaker 1>He really that? And he's walking in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he blocks the sun. He does. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a very big dude and he played on this team.

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Huskies, coached by Don James, had high hopes coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the season, much like many teams we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>here on the podcast. They have high helps. Everybody's got

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<v Speaker 1>high hopes coming into the year. They were coming off

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<v Speaker 1>a really good and Mark Brunel was the starting quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>for Washington. He looked like he was going to become

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<v Speaker 1>one of the next star quarterbacks in college football. But

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<v Speaker 1>he rips up his knee in the spring, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has done for months, and the Washington Huskies have to

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<v Speaker 1>open up with their backup quarterback Billie Joe Hobert, who

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna start for Brunel while he rehabbed and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to race his way back into the lineup. Well, remember

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<v Speaker 1>how the year before, right, they get a big Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl win, but a late season lost U c l

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<v Speaker 1>A kept them from having a steak at the national title.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're all salty, and now you have your quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>go down in in the spring, wondering how quickly you

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<v Speaker 1>can rehab and again knee injuries then a whole other volume.

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<v Speaker 1>I I got hurt back then, like things they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>clear me for trying to look at no. But in

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<v Speaker 1>all series of broken leg that I that I did

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in high school that I had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't sign off on me when I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>to go to a military academy back then. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback, a knee injury, we may see again, we

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<v Speaker 1>may not for Brunell. Unfortunately, long term it worked out

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well Jaguars, but in short term opened the door

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<v Speaker 1>for for a replacement. So the seventeenth year of Don

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<v Speaker 1>James's run at Washington. Who were the star players We

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<v Speaker 1>told you about Mark Brunell, who did come back into

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<v Speaker 1>action that year, Billy Joe Hobert, who oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>goes from hey, this is a guy that won the

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<v Speaker 1>national championship to this guy brought down the Huskies Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Graham a year later. Something we'll get into later on

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast. Napoleon Kaufman was there, big running back.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just a freshman. He was so fast. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>he's known for the horrific knee injury he suffered in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League, but this is back when he

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<v Speaker 1>was a freshman and he was so fast. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you watch this guy in artificial turf, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>nobody who was better than he was on defense. Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Entman went very high in the draft to Marco Farr,

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<v Speaker 1>who I've done many shows with uh in the course

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<v Speaker 1>of my career doing sports talk radio Ram's coverage in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. After a nice career in the National Football League,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy have run into it several taco places through

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<v Speaker 1>the years here in l A very crazy so they

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<v Speaker 1>were the team to beat in the then Pack ten Conference, Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Miami Hurricanes Dennis Rickson head coach ed Orgeron was

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<v Speaker 1>on the stand of young Eddio, who they probably couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand anything he was saying. No, he got a mumbled

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<v Speaker 1>like the dude from the Water Boy still does. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's been successful for him and his coaching career. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a team that wound up finishing twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>oh overall, they played a partial conference schedule in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big East. Things were really messy, and Miami was able

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of the gate fast and become the

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<v Speaker 1>rock stars of college football. I say this because way

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<v Speaker 1>do you see some of the star power they had

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<v Speaker 1>on this team, guys that went to the NFL that

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<v Speaker 1>you go, My goodness, these guys were great. You had

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<v Speaker 1>Leon Searcy, all right. You had Gino Torretta who went

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<v Speaker 1>on to win the Heisman Trophy. You had Michael Barrow,

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<v Speaker 1>Darryl Williams, Jesse Armstead. Dwayne Johnson was a freshman on

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<v Speaker 1>this team. Yes, that Dwayne Johnson, the Rock was on

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<v Speaker 1>this team. Horace Copeland played in the NFL for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. It was top to bottom back when the

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<v Speaker 1>Miami Hurricanes were really the bad boys of college football

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<v Speaker 1>back in their midst to their rivalry with Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Johnson had left to go to the Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>The program in great hands with Dennis Ericson. I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out before we get into the US

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<v Speaker 1>that the Big East football standings, of which Miami played

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<v Speaker 1>a partial schedule, they were not your Big East champions.

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<v Speaker 1>That was number eleven Syracuse, which finished five O and

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<v Speaker 1>o in the Big East back when you played like

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<v Speaker 1>five conference games. I don't even remember any of the

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<v Speaker 1>stars from that Syracuse team. Oh there were there were some.

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<v Speaker 1>That's PASCALONEI right, Oh, yeah, that that was him taking

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<v Speaker 1>over for Dick McPherson. Uh, that was I believe, Ernie Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>In the backfield, Floyd Little Brown, Jim Brown was just

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<v Speaker 1>doing it all. Marvin Harrison, uh, Marvin Graves, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guys named Marvin, you know. And yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No it certainly Quentin spot Wood was catching some passes

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<v Speaker 1>on the outside. Quintin's fy like that showing you some

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<v Speaker 1>Syracuse knowledge. That pretty good. That is pretty good. So

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<v Speaker 1>these are your team's Miami highly rated coming into the season,

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<v Speaker 1>as was Washington three thousand miles away. What was everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else talking about besides college football? In let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>look back at that year in review. Debuting on television

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<v Speaker 1>in Home Improvement with Tim Allen Wilson, Wow, why what

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<v Speaker 1>are you just grunting? Like? Well, that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but run a lot, I know, but that

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<v Speaker 1>that sounded really weird that you just started grunting, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Tim Allen's name was like a Pavlovian response

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<v Speaker 1>in you I'm gonna grunt. It was either that or

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna start running lines from Galaxy quests, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought those might be a bit obscure for people. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I was giving him though we're finished line. Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that. Uh Ren and Stimpy debuted in eight,

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<v Speaker 1>as did the Jerry Springer Show. Nice, you know it

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<v Speaker 1>really it really gets me that. I guess I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like in this day and age, it shouldn't shock me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still At that time, this guy was the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of Sinconna and now he's a guy saying you

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<v Speaker 1>are not the father. No, no, no, it's Mari. He

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<v Speaker 1>also debut that's doing that. Terry Springer was just how

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<v Speaker 1>can I get a bunch of craziness up on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Steve, who was the security guy. He got

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<v Speaker 1>him show himself a show for a decade. Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Cloudy with the Chance of Meatballs was still years away.

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<v Speaker 1>The movies in theaters. Terminator to Judgment Day had everybody

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<v Speaker 1>running to the box office. I feel like Bob going,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have the hair. But it also had a

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<v Speaker 1>guns and Roses song. Everyone was quiet watching the silence

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<v Speaker 1>of the lambs. Yeah, Oscar Winner for a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>on screen, still terrifying. Beauty and the Beast was the

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<v Speaker 1>latest hit by Disney on the animation screen. Cell Cell Cell,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember going to that. You know, that was date

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<v Speaker 1>night with in high school and everyone wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>sex on top of a fire truck because of backdraft.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm Russ Leatherman. If you would like to see

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<v Speaker 1>a sex scene with Billy Baldwin and Jennifer Jason Lee

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<v Speaker 1>one now and here I was gonna start quoting Bull

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<v Speaker 1>you go, I go. I mean, well, don't spoil it

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody. It's spen a minute, you know. Obviously ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one was a very heavy year as well. At the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of Operation Desert storm, Mike Tyson was arrested. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a very heavy year in the news, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf War really took on the majority of the news

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<v Speaker 1>cycle for a long time. Yeah, you had that. You

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of world leaders change out. Michael Gorbachov resigned,

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<v Speaker 1>like Wealnza you had. You had a bunch of turmoil

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<v Speaker 1>and and just change over in world powers. When I

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<v Speaker 1>found out when the Gulf War was on, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in my history of the horror film class at Syracuse,

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<v Speaker 1>right I took. I took history though. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>great class. It was so awesome. And we were watching

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<v Speaker 1>a movie and the class was we'd watch a movie

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<v Speaker 1>one night and then talk about it the next night.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was that was a class. It was such

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<v Speaker 1>a great class. Tomatoes. We didn't watch that. We watched

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<v Speaker 1>good come on, we watch good stuff. And we were

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<v Speaker 1>watching a movie and the Gulf War was announced and

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<v Speaker 1>somebody opened up the bat like we're in a big auditorium.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone opened up the big doors and yelled, we just

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<v Speaker 1>bombed Iraq. The wars on and everybody's like muttering to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, going and half the people got up to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, okay, I get that and our professors

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<v Speaker 1>up and said, you are all responsible for this movie

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<v Speaker 1>for tomorrow. I still got to do your work must

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<v Speaker 1>go on. I think we're watching Suspiria. I mean not

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<v Speaker 1>the remake, but the old one. Yes, the Spiria. The

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<v Speaker 1>old movie was really good. I mean the original. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an Italian horror movie. Okay. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>great horror movies came out of Italy in the eighties

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<v Speaker 1>and nineties. I have to go revisit trust. Maybe that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be an episode of a podcast. That was the precursor

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<v Speaker 1>of all the great European NBA players who came over

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties. So fired by the horror films we

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<v Speaker 1>had the United States and then we had players like

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<v Speaker 1>Dirk come over in the nineties. That's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where we are going into the college football

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<v Speaker 1>season of coming up next, we have traversy. We have

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<v Speaker 1>games interrupted on television on a Saturday because of hearings,

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<v Speaker 1>and the very first wide right as we celebrate Washington

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<v Speaker 1>and Miami, they're dual national championship. Here on Special Teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing on with Special Teams, Jason Smith, Mike Harmon Our

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<v Speaker 1>show heard on Fox Sports Radio Monday through Friday, ten

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<v Speaker 1>pm to two am on the East Coast, seven to

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<v Speaker 1>eleven on the West Coast. We are your genial hosts

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<v Speaker 1>as we look back at big teams in big years

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<v Speaker 1>in sports history. Today, continuing on with the shared National Championship,

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<v Speaker 1>as we break down two teams for you, the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Huskies and the Miami Hurricanes, both teams highly rated coming

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<v Speaker 1>into the season. For the Miami Hurricanes, it was no

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<v Speaker 1>problem early on. They blitched to a four and o record,

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<v Speaker 1>beating Oklahoma State four three in early October, setting up

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<v Speaker 1>their first big showdown of the year against number nine

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State in a game in which they would win

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty. But this game wasn't really known as much

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<v Speaker 1>for what Miami did is the fact that this game

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<v Speaker 1>was interrupted outside of South Florida because of the Clarence

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas hearings. He was nominated to the Supreme Court. He

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<v Speaker 1>was then accused of sexual misconduct by Anita Hill, and

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<v Speaker 1>the world was consumed with Clarence Thomas. Is he gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be okay as a Supreme Court justice? Is he gonna

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<v Speaker 1>wind up not getting it? This is a very big story,

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<v Speaker 1>And when the hearings resumed, ABC cut away from this

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<v Speaker 1>game to go show the Clarence Thomas hearings. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching this game nationwide, it's wait a minute, I

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<v Speaker 1>still want to watch football. I don't want to watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to watch football. It's before the current world

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<v Speaker 1>where you could go put it on any one of

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<v Speaker 1>your cable properties if you'd like to watch this Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Plasiness channel over here, right? How crazy that? Like Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Business Channel has? I remember watching Stanford and Cal on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Business Channel because there was they had to put

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<v Speaker 1>the games someplace because other things happened and and games

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<v Speaker 1>ran overtime. Well, I've been at watering holes restaurants and

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<v Speaker 1>people like what am I watching here? Because you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the commercial Hey on Monday's show come back to It's like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really the football game. Just calm down. It'll get

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<v Speaker 1>back there in a second, just a different set of ads.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be there. But yeah, it's it's just a different

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<v Speaker 1>world in terms of how news is disseminated, how people

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<v Speaker 1>get their reach through their phones or laptops or in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, multiple cable channels. I mean, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was really shocking to think that there was no other

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<v Speaker 1>way to watch the game. There was we're not moving

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<v Speaker 1>into a sister station, We're not watching on PBS, You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere else because look, cable was still in

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<v Speaker 1>its infancy in early nineties, but everybody had fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>sixty channels. Yeah, you could have found a way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it in fear, Yes, but he's at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps you know, there wasn't the need or desire. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we looked at politics and the world a little differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Some thirty years ago. It was a big day for

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<v Speaker 1>Gino Torrette at quarterback. You through an eight yr touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>past to Horace Copeland, a forty two yard touchdown pass

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<v Speaker 1>to Lamar Thomas, but Penn State fought back and had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to potentially win this game. Tony Saka throws

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<v Speaker 1>a pick late in the fourth quarter on a play

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<v Speaker 1>that has been subject of a lot of controversy because

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<v Speaker 1>Darryl Williams, who was their best defensive back it was

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<v Speaker 1>a first round pick in the NFL, caught the ball

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the goal line, but his momentum kind of

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<v Speaker 1>carried him into the end zone and then he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ran and he ran out of bounds, and the

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<v Speaker 1>clock stopped, and it probably should have been a safety

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<v Speaker 1>that Penn State cuts the score to two and then

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<v Speaker 1>gets the football back with at least a few seconds left.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this play happened in the final minute. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>play now that you would watch and go, well, he

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<v Speaker 1>caught it, okay, well man the end, he tried to run. Wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just wait a minute, that's a safety, but

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<v Speaker 1>not rule the safety on the field and Miami escapes

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<v Speaker 1>well and with no replay, although in nineteen would replay

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten it right even if they went back to

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<v Speaker 1>check the tape, there is that right has the old

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<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb is like if we only had the technology,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like sometimes it really doesn't clear things up either.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, for for Joe Paterno and Mission and

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<v Speaker 1>and for Penn State, I got Michigan on the brain

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<v Speaker 1>because you're you're a Michigan game. The idea of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Paterno and Penn State was only in year two in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten, so it's a different world as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the past years as a juggernaut outside of that structure.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a huge game to top ten teams.

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<v Speaker 1>And it ends just like that Miami came into the

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<v Speaker 1>year ranked number three. After this win against Penn State,

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<v Speaker 1>they stayed at number two, and then they would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to many big time victories. But we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>their next close game coming up in a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Washington Huskies, they started out they were ranked

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<v Speaker 1>number four out of the gate and again they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have too much problem their first few weeks. They got

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<v Speaker 1>back to back shutouts of Arizona and Toledo fifty four nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight nothing. And after these couple of games, but

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<v Speaker 1>Washington defense started taking on a life of its own,

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<v Speaker 1>as it was widely viewed as the best defense in

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<v Speaker 1>college food. Well, what was interesting about it? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>As we mentioned the injury to Brunel and Hobart having

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<v Speaker 1>to take over. As you go into games at Stanford

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<v Speaker 1>at Nebraska, two places where you're like, all right, first

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<v Speaker 1>year quarterback, first year attempt to start a season. You

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<v Speaker 1>thought with Brunella it was gonna roll in Instead, n

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<v Speaker 1>and the the defense take on a whole other life.

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<v Speaker 1>They had beaten Nebraska early in the season thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. That was their closest game. Nebraska was a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten team. They go into a game October nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>at Cal, who has ranked seventh in the country. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember this game. I remember watching it. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>everything about it because I can say it because it's

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<v Speaker 1>years later. I illegally bet on this game is gone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how. I remember this was kind of Pack

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<v Speaker 1>twelve after Dark before Pack twelve after Dark. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>this because I won a lot of money on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm I'm a college senior at this point, and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a guy who knew a guy who did

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<v Speaker 1>right who I thought you were gonna say, who was

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<v Speaker 1>really close to a player on the team, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna start sinking underneath my chair. I can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you who it is, but his name rhymes with Schmive Schmittman. No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a guy do a guy that did parley sheets,

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<v Speaker 1>and I this was a five team parlay and I

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<v Speaker 1>bet ten dollars on it, right, And back then it

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<v Speaker 1>was like if you hit five games, you won like

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<v Speaker 1>sixty bucks. Right then you had to go five for five.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was my last game of the day, and

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<v Speaker 1>I bet Cal because they were getting fourteen points. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Cow's at home. I know washing this good,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're getting fourteen points. Cow's pretty good. Mike Paulowski

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good quarterback. He was a quarterback at

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<v Speaker 1>Cal and I said, Okay, you know this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be this is gonna be a big day. I'm gonna win.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wound up winning because Washington wins this game

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<v Speaker 1>in dramatic fashion by a touchdown seventeen. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care because I was getting fourteen points and I was

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<v Speaker 1>sixty dollars Richard, which when I was twenty one sixty bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>The beer I bought, oh, the Peels bar bottles that

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<v Speaker 1>we were in a big Peels bar bottles thing back then.

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<v Speaker 1>The Peels bar bottles I bought like four cases. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they're like ten dollars. We were drinking those for like

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<v Speaker 1>a month and a half. I was a little nervous

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<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna start telling me about the list of

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<v Speaker 1>hobo wines or something that you're going there for cents.

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<v Speaker 1>I really loaded up. Hey, let's this is from Mike Velosky.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still enjoying this beer because he almost pulled off

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<v Speaker 1>the upset. A couple of great things out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Sneider's your cow coach. Yeah, alright, and long career

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<v Speaker 1>for him and before he went on to start beating

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<v Speaker 1>up on cupcakes at Kansas State. There is that too,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and then you, um, you looked at having a

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown called back because of a holding puddally which helped

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<v Speaker 1>you finished the job. Now, this game ended very not controversially,

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<v Speaker 1>but very heart stopping. Lee. I remember the offensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>Cal was Steve Mariucci. Sure, this is Mooch who started

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<v Speaker 1>to really grow his legend where he would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to become the head coach of the forty Niners head

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<v Speaker 1>coach of the Lions because he was this great offensive

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<v Speaker 1>genius and he did great work at Cal. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a close game. Cal was driving down. They were on

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington twenty seven yard line. Final play of the

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<v Speaker 1>game incomplete, but Washington is off sides, so they get

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<v Speaker 1>one more play from the twenty two yard line. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the only time Washington was threatened in the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>quarter all season long, and Pulaski's pass was just over

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<v Speaker 1>the outstretched fingertips of one of his wide receivers. The

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<v Speaker 1>ball falls incomplete and why Shington wins. And many players

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<v Speaker 1>said after that game they knew that was gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>their big test it was survived, advance and exhale, and

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<v Speaker 1>they get out of this big showdown against Cal with

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<v Speaker 1>a seven point win. Escape on the road. Right, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always gotta be one of those. And all of these

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<v Speaker 1>special teams that we've examined, the ones that succeeded, Yes, man,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we've got the abject failures mixed they're in. But

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<v Speaker 1>for those that finished the job, there's one or two

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<v Speaker 1>games where they've got to survive some crazy sequence, the

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<v Speaker 1>near miss, a bogus penalty. But this one at at

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<v Speaker 1>Cal seventeen, your final get you to six and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're halfway through. Your defense has played really well and

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<v Speaker 1>even here comes up with stops in big spots to

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<v Speaker 1>thwart Maryuchi's best efforts. But yeah, you have to exhale

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<v Speaker 1>and then get back on the grind for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your schedule. And that's exactly what they did. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the closest game they had played the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the season. They had a low scoring game at USC

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<v Speaker 1>beat them fourteen to three. USC was unranked, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really matter because they weren't really threatened in that game.

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<v Speaker 1>They get all the way through the rest of their

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<v Speaker 1>season undefeated. They win the Apple Cup over Washington State

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six to twenty one. At this point their ranked

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<v Speaker 1>number two in the country and they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Rose Ball. They score four hundred sixty one points

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<v Speaker 1>on the year, giving up a hundred one. About that.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting part of this is as good as the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch right, a hundred one points in eleven games. You're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about ten points a game. Mark Brunell at this

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<v Speaker 1>point had come back to the team and he came

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<v Speaker 1>back and I remember he rushed to come back and

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<v Speaker 1>he told Don James, listen, I don't want to cause

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<v Speaker 1>any controversy. I just want to contribute. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning he came back and he was just holding on

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<v Speaker 1>extra points. He wanted to come back and get on

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<v Speaker 1>the field some way, some way, Ship because Billy Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Hobert's playing well, the team is scoring points that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to make a move. And Brunell was like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to contribute. And he came back and

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<v Speaker 1>he was holding you. You come back from a shredded

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<v Speaker 1>knee and you're actually playing a few months later. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a big time come back. Marc Bounell to go from

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<v Speaker 1>March until December and hey, you're back and actually on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. But this was Billy Joe Hobert's team, and

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<v Speaker 1>Brunelle was coming back, and eventually, you do, they were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have an issue because you have two really good quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, for Washington, everything is going okay. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to have a guy that said, uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>have NFL wants and aspirations. I gotta get back out

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<v Speaker 1>the field and show people I could play. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in in terms of just their overall production from an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive side, we always talk about the eighty five Bears

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<v Speaker 1>and that defense and how brilliant they were. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's thousands of writers who've made careers off the next

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<v Speaker 1>book or next iteration of the Bears eight five story.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's often lost is that they were among the

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<v Speaker 1>highest scoring teams each and every year, just like this

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<v Speaker 1>Washington team. You might might be noted for the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>efforts and the brilliance that they showed and exhibited in

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<v Speaker 1>some of these big games, but also the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they just roll dump teams time and again. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of fifty burgers mixed there in. Yeah, they rolled it up.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about Miami ranked number two in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>They headed into a one versus to showdown on November

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>six at Florida State. This became the very first wide

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<v Speaker 1>right game. Now in parlance, it's wide right one, because

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>we've had a few more games like this the following

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>year they had. They had wide right to five games

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>in twelve years between Miami and Florida State, which really

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>was the football rivalry of the nineties. There was nothing

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>bigger than that. Notre Dame didn't have a bigger one. Michigan,

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Ohio State wasn't as big because this always came down

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>to whoever won this game is gonna play for the

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 1>national championship, you know, not even Ohio State. Michigan was

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like that. Ohio State was like we when we can

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>play for the title. Michigan it's like we when we

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>can play in the blue bonnetball and we're still gonna

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.479
<v Speaker 1>beat you. But this five games and twelve years were

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>decided by a late field goal attempt, not always a

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>field goal, but a field goal attempt. This was wide

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.120
<v Speaker 1>right one in which the Miami Hurricanes led this game

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 1>seventeen sixteen, but Florida drove to the doorstep in the

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>final seconds on third down with twenty nine seconds left,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Florida State decided, now we're gonna kick the final field goal,

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>which nowadays blows you away. First of all, why would

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>you kick with twenty nine seconds left and give Miami

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 1>any kind of time with the football when all they

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>need is a field goal? But Bobby Bowden decided, we're

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna kick on third down, seconds left to go, from

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>thirty four yards away. This is as chip a shot

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>as you get in college football. Thirty four yards on

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen yard line. This is gonna be it. But

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.639
<v Speaker 1>what happens Jerry Thomas MSS wide right. This is Bobby

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Bowden running on the field looking taking his helmet off going,

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>they're taking his hat off going. He missed, and Miami

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 1>wins and name move up to being number one in

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>the country. Here's the best part about this. Prior to

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:04.399
<v Speaker 1>the uprights were narrowed by four ft. Think about that,

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>almost five full feet five full ft. This kick missed

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>by about the length of a football. So if this

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>were the old uprights, and you remember what it looks

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:18.120
<v Speaker 1>like watching a college football game, how wide the uprights were.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>They narrowed them by four ft. If they don't make

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 1>that change, this field goal goes in, Florida State may

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 1>go on to win a national championship in college football

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>history is rewritten. But instead we get wide right one.

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Then you would have had Nick Saban, Chason, Bobby Bowden

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>and Bobby Bowden and Bobby Bowden and would have never

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>heard the end unquote an interception of bounce ball. You

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>lose the game, you'd kick yourself in the rear for

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. So that was Bobby Bowden's

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>quote thereafter. And Keith Jackson was on the call, so

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 1>you get the pageantry of him, uh giving this punctuation

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>mark to a rivalry that all these years later, I mean,

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>you do so many documentaries on how these teams battle

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 1>for supremacy. So that was the win of the season

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>from aami. They moved to number one in the country.

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>They have a tough game the week after at Boston College,

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about going off this big win. We beat Florida State.

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>We're on the road at Boston College and that's a

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>dog fight and they win this game nineteen fourteen. But

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>they get the benefit of the doubt from the Polsters. Okay,

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a week after they play a big game. They

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>go and play San Diego State and their last regular

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>season game of the year, they win thirty twelve. So

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 1>they head into their bowl game in the Orange Bowl

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the number one team in the country. And this is

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a really weird schedule for Miami to play. As we mentioned,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>they played a partial biggie schedule. I mean, look the

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>conferences back in the early nineties with the new ones

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in the Big East, they were all insane. I mean,

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>who plays a schedule like this? Think about this. This

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>is Miami schedule, right. You think about the A c

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.880
<v Speaker 1>C and the conferences they you know, and where they play,

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and you're playing your conference games and then you're not

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>going very far. You're playing teams close to you. This

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>is their schedule, Okay, East Arkansas, Houston, Tulsa, Oklahoma State,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Like they're playing in the Big Twelve. Then it's Penn State,

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Long Beach State, Arizona, Long Beach State, West Virginia, Florida State,

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Boston College, San Diego State means, just like Notre Dame,

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you're an independent. They're like they're like the traveling all

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Stars across the country and play everyone are storming tour.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>So they go onto the Rose Bowl. I'm sorry, they

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 1>go onto the Orange Bowl where they were going to

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>play number eleven Nebraska. Meanwhile, for Washington they would go

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.959
<v Speaker 1>to the Rose Bowl facing number four Michigan. These were

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the top two teams in the country and coming up

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>next even though we had two wins, didn't mean there

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a ton of controversy. That's coming up next right

0:28:44.000 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>here special teams Jason Smith, Mike Harmon. So just how

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>did it shake out that Miami and Washington split the

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>national championship in and fostered a big change in college football? First,

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the Rose Bowl. It was the game

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the day, the granddaddy of them all. The

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>middle of the afternoon, Washington crushes Michigan thirty four to fourteen.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>This is when Michigan would routinely go to the Rose

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Bowl and get killed by whoever was in the Pac ten.

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>This game wasn't close, and you talked about running up

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the score at the end of the game to impress

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the pollsters. Two things happened at the end of this game.

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Michigan got an Oh by the way touchdown to turn

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a thirty four seven game into a thirty four four

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>team game, and with Washington inside Michigan's ten yard line

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>in the final minute, with their third string quarterback in

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the game, they decided to take a knee rather than

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>run up the score. So this final score is thirty

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>four teen, where had they played more for the jugular,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>it could have been forty one seven. And maybe that

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>flips a few votes their way that go Miami's way.

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe a little bit of gamesmanship that should have been considered,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>right you you go sportsmanship versus well, what are the

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>true rules of engagement here? And the coaches all recognize

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>what's at stake here that that's not something that you know,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Gary Mueller is gonna lose his mind over. He might

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>make a side eye comment about it after the game,

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but he recognizes how this is played. You know, you

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you're going for a national title and you've got another

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>team in Miami that that's right there with you. At

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>this point, Brunella is back and he's getting a couple

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of series each half. He threw a touchdown pass in

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 1>this game. Also had a big day from Billy Joe Hobert.

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>But the touchdown I talked about. Tyrone Wheatley ran for

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a fifty three yard touchdown with less than five minutes

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to go in the game, and that's one of those

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>broken plays that listen, he'd stop Michigan all day and

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Tyron Wheatley gets in the end zone. I'm telling you

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>seven looks a lot better than thirty four fourteen. We're

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about impressing people who are make in that vote,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and that could have really tipped it because this was

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>close both ways. Well, especially when you don't have people

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that necessarily see how the game flows, they just know

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the final score. Don't let it go to the judges

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>is really when it all comes down to. Never let

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it go to the judges. So after this entire day

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of Bowl activity, back when everything was on January one

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and we watched all the way through to the end,

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the Orange Bowl was always the final Bowl game of

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the night. So this is the last game Miami and Nebraska,

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and Miami Nebraska played many classic games over the years.

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>This was not one of them. This was Miami absolutely

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>crushing the corn Huskers twenty two to nothing. It wasn't

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>a big outpouring of offense for Miami, but Nebraska had

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>nine first downs in this game and a hundred and

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy one total yards. This is almost thirty years later,

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>they could still be playing that game and Nebraska wouldn't

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>have any points. First shutout in eighteen years. So when

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>you can put that in any press release and that's

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the leads, then when you get to the

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>voting processes again, taking the AP and the coaches and

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>looking into that that it's going to add a little

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>bit of extra push. Obviously, Nebraska defensively did well. It

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>came down to a lot of Carlos Squerta kicks. Carlos

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Squerta was there for about nine years. Yeah, so they

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>win this game, and now we have to wait for

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the votes because this is the number one and number

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>two team in the country. The number one team played

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the number eleven team. The number two team played the

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:37.959
<v Speaker 1>number four team, and the votes were close in both polls.

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Miami wins the Associated Press pole, Washington wins the coaches pole,

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>so they split the national championship. Many people were not

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.719
<v Speaker 1>satisfied with this. Again, this is another split national title,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and this sparked the beginning of what was called the

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Bowl Coalition, which was absolutely awful. This was a way

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 1>college football tried to figure out a way to get

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the best teams playing against each other. In the bowl games, right,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of what the BCS did. We're trying to get

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>number one versus number two, and yeah, but this didn't work.

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>And this is why this is doomed to failure because

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it all depended on teams who were contracted to different

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>bowls if they were able to play in one bowl

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>game or not. But this is back when the Orange

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Bowl usually at least had part of the National Championship

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>involved in it because it was always Miami, Florida for

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>one of those teams Nebraska was contracted to play, or

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the Big Twelve winner was contracted to play in the

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Orange Bowl, so usually it turned out to be some

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of form of Nebraska, Oklahoma Miami. But still this

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>is doomed to failure because the number one thing about

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>this was it didn't include the Pac Ten or the

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Big Ten because they were still contracted to play in

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the Rose Ball. So you're talking about these two teams

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>could win the title. No, no, we're not in the

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>bowl coalition. Wait really, why are we doing this? Then?

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's better than what we have? Well,

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>anything was an improvement, right, This is how it always

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>came down to pass And even now when you you

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>look at where the playoff is. As you and I

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>sit and look back at this season, there's still a

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>ground swell to make changes to where we're at. And

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 1>you would argue, I think at least from where I sit,

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>it's light years ahead of where you were. You know,

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>people blindly throwing throwing their weight by yeah they won

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>by how many? All right? Vondam higher? And then the

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>as you said, the information director instead of the coach

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>or maybe just friend of the show, we'd be in

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to fill things out, so you know, boosters and whatever else.

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>So bit by bit you have improvement. And we're talking

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>narrow margins here right, like four points in one poll,

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>nine points in the other. And here we have chaos,

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>controversy and a split national title. And when you refer

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to Carlos S. Wuerta, he is first Team All American.

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Carlos Wuerta. Oh, I thought you were gonna say, sir

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Miami had five First Team All Americans. Meanwhile,

0:34:55.960 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Washington had eleven players taken in the NFL draft by

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Steve Entman, who went number one over all of the

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Indianapolis Colts. Mario o' bailey, star wide receiver on the

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>team he went later on in the draft as well.

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is when the draft was twelve rounds

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to take a lot of players. That's all right, they

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>still got drafted. I'm not gonna take that away from him.

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>So Miami wins, Washington wins, We're sick of split national championships,

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 1>and we have the Bowl coalition. This was really ready

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>to rear its ugly head again the following year because

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>what happened. Washington started out the season eight no. They

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 1>were on a twenty two game win streak under Billy

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe Hobert, who was still the starting quarterback. Mark Brunelle

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>again was back. Both of them had NFL futures. Brunel

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was playing a little bit more, but it was still

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Hobert's team and Washington was rolling. And then the story

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>breaks with Washington and eight No that Billy Joe Hobert

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>took fifty thou dollars from a family friend, which is

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of course against n c a A rules. He has

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>ruled ineligible. Ark Brunel steps in, but it's not the same.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Washington wins one more game but finishes nine and three.

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>So what could have been back to back national championships

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>or at least in theory, depending what the Bowl coalition

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:16.720
<v Speaker 1>would have figured out, turned into just an okay season.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 1>This also marked the end of Don James because he

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>resigned over a two year bull band that Washington got

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 1>because of Billy Joe Hobert. He goes in one year

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<v Speaker 1>from being the guy who steps into the void the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest question Mark, Oh my god, No, Mark Brunel doesn't matter.

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 1>He's great, and then he's the guy that brings down

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the Washington program that could have been back to back

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>national championship. Yeah. Kind of an interesting thing, right when

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.399
<v Speaker 1>you look at what Don James was doing as well.

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>They they had had that run in the late eighties

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>where they weren't particularly good. Eight wins or fewer. He

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't take a raise after a six and five season

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and eighty eight all of these things. Now you're a

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>title you know, split title and with with Obert. And

0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>you look at the fifty thou dollar loans and part

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>of the ruling was, well, he had no assets or

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a payment schedule, Like how many loans have been put

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>out in America for many different things cars and and

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>for homes, I mean go back through the housing stuff.

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>People were getting loans with anything. There's nothing I mean

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>this is but the n C Double A being the

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>n C Double A. They came and cracked down and

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the end of what could have been a huge

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 1>run here. A lot of these guys, as you said,

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>go on to the NFL, over being among them, but

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>never really has his career take off. Twenty three touchdowns,

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty five i N T s for the career, and

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a QB rating our favorite stat of just sixty. Uh.

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Brunel of course had the big career with the Jaguars,

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>going to the a f C Championship game early on

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 1>in his career. He was fun, he was mobile, He

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>was a really good quarterback for a long time. And

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>you think, boy, if he didn't get hurt, I mean

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they obviously they won. If he was still the quarterback

0:37:58.000 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>all next year, could they have one? Because he had

0:37:59.920 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to step in and suddenly start playing full football games

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>when he hadn't done so south paw who could run,

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>so you had. That element was certainly pivotal to his

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>success with the Jaguars. But think about different element that

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>you add to an offense there where you were already

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>built for speed, something that they had shifted to in

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.959
<v Speaker 1>terms of their analysis and recruitment of players in those

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>prior couple of years. Before we get to wear of

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 1>it now, just a little bit on Don James, head

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>coach at Washington, who was a head coach who was

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>always respected, but by and large he escaped the general

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>spotlight because of coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Bowden, Joe

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Paterno back then. But he resigned in protest over what

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>he thought were the unfair sanctions against his team for

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>these infractions that it revolved around Billy Joe Hobert. He

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't named specifically as having broken any rules, but he

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 1>decided to resign in protest and that was it for him.

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 1>And later on he did an interview with the Seattle

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Times at which he said resign ending probably saved his

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>life because of the coaching that told it was taking

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>on him. Everything going on was just so much. Uh.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>He died in two thousand thirteen at the age of

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty And uh, you know, he's someone that when you

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>hear them speak about his name now, it's of that

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>legendary status. Now maybe West Coast Boy Don James, Boy,

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>what a program he ran, What a horrible way it

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>had to end for him. There was resigning, but at

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>least he was able to look at his resignation and say,

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, he had a great quality of life

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>after that, and he stood up for something right. He

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>stood up and it's one of the long list of

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 1>players and coaches who have raised their hand at the

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>way the n C double A from where I sit

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 1>again arbitrarily decides how they're going to rule on different things.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Hundred seventy eight, seventy six and three three ties. That's

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty impressive. Uh. Ten and five in Bowl games, three

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>time Pac Ten Coach of the Year, all sorts of

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.720
<v Speaker 1>other coaching Coach of the Year honors, obviously the national

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>t Idol and then six pack eight pack ten championships overall.

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's a distinguished career. He was just

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>sixty years old when he stopped. He never entertained any

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>other offers. He said doctors told him if he kept coaching,

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he probably would have died from stress. Uh five years

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>after that. So it was great for Don James to

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>be able to enjoy the rest of his life the

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>way he did. And look, the guy got a national championship.

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>He became a legend. What about some of those players

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and other personalities from these two teams? Where are they now?

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>My car? Now? He got a couple of them. Obviously

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>we know Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Uh. He went on

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>to do something ju manji did he go on to

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>do anything? Became the greatest entertainer, most electrifying entertainer in

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>sports history. Dwayne Johnson. Dwayne Johnson never not ringing a bell.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's pilot Steve. We've got the patch, all right?

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>How about Kip Vickers Guard Accounting? I t website design,

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 1>but I wish I could have figured out the right

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>website to run to make money? Yeah have I? I

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>just joined that for a little bit too late. Uh.

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Darren Smith real estate investment development. Uh, and then also

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.760
<v Speaker 1>does some religious Bible study work. He got Leon Searcy.

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.240
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned him earlier. He's the CEO of Real Men Block.

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 1>And you'll like this for it's got a two pronged approach.

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>One it's we're gonna train lineman and we're gonna train

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.720
<v Speaker 1>him up. The other it's apparel for big men. Oh.

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Take care of that. Guys need the

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>guy's deep clothes. What about shorter guys. What about guys

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.919
<v Speaker 1>who aren't linemen? But we're like five, will that work?

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Short stocky build? You just look like the Hamburgler running

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 1>around here. I don't know. I live on the other side.

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>We got our buddy Lincoln Kennedy. You know, he's works

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>for the Raiders for years, played in the National Football League,

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>College Football Hall of Famer. Our team met at Fox

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. He wanted to introduce me to a number

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of people at a party where I was mocked openly

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 1>by a ray Lewis because my shoulders are wider than his. Wow, yeah,

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>you got that going. If I tell you, if you

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 1>ever get on Hinder, you make sure you write that. Yeah.

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty good, uh circle of people. So

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you got Donovan McNab, Jerom Pettis, Linkoy Kennedy, Donovan McNabb,

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and here's ray Lewis four times. That just for me.

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>He's a Chicago guy and he's for you. I'm sure,

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>uh and well, but he remembered that. So anytime I've

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 1>run into Donovan since or been on the radio with Donovan,

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of mentioned that. And he kind of had

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to laugh at because ray Lewis said that, well, God,

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>had shorted me. I'll keep it clean for the podcast.

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Napoleon Goffman, Uh, football coach up in Oakland and an

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>ordained minister. Leif Johnson running back. Uh, he's doing mergers

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and acquisitions. I think you said Leif Garrett there for

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.879
<v Speaker 1>a second, you wanted it to be Leif Garretter You've

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>got ed. Cunningham was a broadcaster at ESPN a long

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>while the Center he walked away as the concussion issue

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>really took over the narrative in college and pro football.

0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>But here's what I thought you might like, because I'm

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>sure you being a big movie buff like I am,

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>he helped produce a fist full of quarters the King

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>of Kong. Remember Billy Mitchell's battle for supremacy that it

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was always wearing a shirt and tie while he was

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>playing video games. It was his battle. It's really an

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>amazing thing. If you haven't seen in folks, go to that.

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>In last one from Aunt Farm and from Saturday Night Live.

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Finesse Mitchell part of the squad as well. Mike Finesse

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell was on. That's what I forgot about the You know,

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the Rock wasn't the only Hollywood star here. See when

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I say rock stars. It's rock stars. People understand that

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was the Miami hurricane. About that? So there it is

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>on look back split National championship between Washington and Miami.

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