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Can you give us the results? We 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: had a three headed monster pull question there in the 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: first hour of the program. 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: Seaton heck yeah, let's see Jerry Jones based off of 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: his co about Micah Parsons and Dak Prescott. Jerry Jones 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: shouldn't have said that and or wasn't wrong. Those are 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: your two options right now. Seventy six percent of the 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: audience say that he shouldn't have said that, despite the 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: fact that he was not wrong in the things that 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: he said. Yes, more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: Mike Brown. Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrickson emotional and said 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: he pushes too hard. Right now, seventy two percent have 28 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones as more bothersome. And with NFL contract situations, 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm team owners in league or players. Seventy four percent 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: of the audience are team player. 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: Okay, let me play which I should have done to 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: start with. Here is Jerry Jones on his issue with 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: signing Micah Parsons. 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to 35 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: paid its position in the league and he got knocked 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 4: out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So there's 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: a lot of things you can think about, just as 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 4: the player does when you're thinking about committing and guarantee 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: of money. 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: Okay, why do you sign anybody to a contract extension? 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Everybody can get hurt? Yeah, Okay. Here's Mike Brown, the 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: Bengals owner, on the situation with Trey Hendrickson. 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 5: Trey signed. As we speak here, there are guys over 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 5: in the office working to get that. We like Trey 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 5: as a person, he's a good guy. But when it 49 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 5: comes to these negotiations, and we've been through a few 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 5: of them with him, he pushes hard, he gets emotional. 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 5: We never have an easy time of it. But there's 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 5: one thing that is consistent. It always gets done, and 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 5: I think this one will okay. 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: We don't need to bring up that he's emotional. It's 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: his contract. If Mike Brown had a contract that he 56 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: was negotiating, he would probably be emotional about it. He 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: would be pushing. He would be doing what Trey hendricks 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: is doing. The thing with Mike Brown and all of 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: these owners, they handle all of these contracts. They have 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: no emotion attached to it, or they shouldn't. They're business people. 61 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is a businessman trying to get paid, that's all. 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: Is he going to be emotional? Yes, it's his contract, 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: it's his money, that's what he's fighting for. H I 64 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: guess I'm just not smart enough to be an owner. Well, 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm not rich enough to be an owner, but I 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: would not be applying the logic of you know what, 67 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: let me take a shot at Michael Parsons and Dak Prescott. 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a two fer here, Dallas Media, 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: You're welcome. And the Bengals is Trey Hendrickson at that 70 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: age where thirty do you want to pay him? Well, TJ. 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: Watt got paid. Now, Trey Hendrickson is not TJ Watt, 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: but those numbers are pretty impressive that he's put up 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: the last two years. And the Bengals desperately need Trey Hendrickson. 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: They do because that defense, we saw what it was. 75 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: And even your first round pick Shamar Stewart not in 76 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: camp either. He's an edge rusher. I would think if 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: you're going to make a run at the Ravens, and 78 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: right now I got DraftKings just sent me the odds 79 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: super Bowl odds, it's the Bills and the Ravens are 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. Then it's 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 2: the Eagles, then Chiefs, Lions, and then Commanders. They're pretty 82 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 2: far down the list, but they're the seventh best odds there. 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: So Bills and Ravens at plus six hundred Eagles plus 84 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: seven hundred Chiefs plus eight fifty Lions plus eleven hundred 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: Command plus eighteen hundred. 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 6: Yes, Polly, And there's so much importance. This is so 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 6: obvious on a defensive pass rusher. The Lions last year 88 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 6: when they lose Hutchinson, they just seem non threatening. 89 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: It kept them from the Super Bowl. 90 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 6: Pop probably, I mean one of the it's one of 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 6: the things like they've got wide receivers in the Bengals 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 6: and they've got to outscore everybody, and that's their plan. 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 6: But you got to have one guy, you got to 94 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 6: have one killer at the defensive line. 95 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: And I was curious about this, Well, I'm curious why 96 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: this player was given the best odds to be the 97 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: defensive player of the year this upcoming season. Aiden Hutchinson 98 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: from the Lions, according to DraftKings, had the best odds 99 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: to be the defensive player of the year coming off 100 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: the injury. TJ. Watt got paid, Miles Garrett got paid, 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: Michael Parson's going to get paid unless they think, well, 102 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: those guys they got paid, maybe they're not going to 103 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: have that. I'm going to go crazy this season. Yes, Marvin, 104 00:05:59,000 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: does he have. 105 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 7: The best odds for comeback player of the year. 106 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: Also, I'm gonna guess if you're the defensive player of 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: the year, you're probably gonna be Did anybody almost die 108 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: last season? Now? What about Joe Flacco? He came back 109 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: from off the couch, as there's still a chance. And 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: I haven't heard much about the Cleveland Browns. You know, 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: they're pretty quiet there because I have somebody who is 112 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: pretty good at kind of keep me in the loop 113 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: with the Cleveland Browns. Not that I'm asking to be 114 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: in the loop for too much with the Cleveland Browns, 115 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: but just the quarterbacking situation is fascinating. And as a 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: source tells me, hey, if it doesn't go well this year, 117 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: they have two first round picks and they and it's 118 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: always the next year is the better quarterback year? Man, 119 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: you're gonna want to wait until next year. I don't 120 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: even know if Arch Manning's coming out next year. No guarantee. 121 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: I would be surprised if he came out next year, 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: unless they won the national title, he won the Heisman, 123 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: then maybe, But I get the feeling, you know, money 124 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: is not the issue. So the family might say, if 125 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: you're enjoying it, then get more seasoned. You just don't 126 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: want to take a quarterback who has less than twenty 127 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: five starts in college, like you, really, scounts will tell 128 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: you give me a larger sample size because if you 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: look where they've whiffed on some quarterbacks, usually they played 130 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: one really really good season. I mean, even look at 131 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: Trey Lance, Zack Wilson like you just I mean, these 132 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: are recent bust where you go, hey, we're going to 133 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: take that guy. I want to see what you do 134 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: when you don't play well. I want to see when 135 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: you struggle a little bit. You know, that was what 136 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: concerned scouts. I think on Jordan Love is, hey, when 137 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: he had a really good roster, he was really good. 138 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: It's the following year. Or Josh Allen when he had 139 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: a really good roster and then he didn't have a 140 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: really good roster, and then you're trying to figure out 141 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: just how good you are. You tell me more when 142 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: you're struggling, and how you respond to that when everything's 143 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: going great. It doesn't happen that way in the NFL, 144 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: and if it does, it doesn't last long. Yes, Pauline. 145 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 6: Last week the AP has the Comeback Player of the 146 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: Year and the award for twenty five twenty six. The 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 6: current odds according to DraftKings, Dak Prescott and Aiden Hutchinson 148 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 6: are the favorites right now. Christian McCaffrey, Trevor Lawrence of 149 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 6: the Jaguars. 150 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: Here's one. 151 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: J J. 152 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 6: McCarthy of the Vikings. Was he ever there to come back? 153 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 6: I know he got injured, right. 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 2: I don't know the technicalities here. It wasn't injured. I 155 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: would have thought if you came back from dying that that, 156 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: like the language should be in your favor. Damar Hamlin 157 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: right being Comeback Player of the Year. 158 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 7: Yes, Martin, But Joe Flacco had an NFL death though 159 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 7: almost he was sitting on the couch, true, and he 160 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 7: played better. 161 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: He led him to the playoffs. He came back from 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: the couch. You imagine Jamar Hamlin, Joe Flacco. You know, 163 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: they're they're waiting, you know, for this to be announced, 164 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: and they're like, uh, yeah, you know, how was it? Man? 165 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: It was tough getting off that couch. What about you? Well, 166 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: I died a couple of times. But hey, you know, Joe, 167 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: you had a good year. And congratulations for Comeback Player 168 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: of the Year. Jamar Hamlin did something that not many 169 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: people have done. I mean one person did it a 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: long time ago. Yeah, all right, So NFL camps are 171 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: open for business veterans showing up, and as we inch closer, 172 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: how many days? How many days until the start? Don't 173 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: we have our our big graphic that we put up 174 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: on the program. Do we have that too? How many days? 175 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: Is it up there? There? You got. 176 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 8: In? 177 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: How many hours? And how many minutes? 178 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 7: Ten hours, eight minutes, fifty six seconds? 179 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: Let's go okay, all right, all right, ready to go? 180 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: There it is? You know, we got it? 181 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: Fireworks, sparklers, yes, Seaton, Is that counting down to the 182 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: very first kickoff? 183 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: Or is that just counting down to a day that's 184 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: to the kickoff? Can we get a video. 185 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: On how accurate it is once kickoff happens? That to 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: me is the best payoff of this whole graphic is 187 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: how accurate? How close do the actual kickoff do they get? 188 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: And then maybe we can even play some bets on that. 189 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: Okay, yes, paulin. 190 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, this looks pretty close. Our our tracker has kickoff 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 6: around eight to fifteen Eastern that night, which is usually 192 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 6: about right for those national TV games. Bonus coverage guess 193 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 6: who won Comeback Player of the Year award last year 194 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 6: for the second time in his career. 195 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. 196 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow, two time winner come Back Player of the Year. 197 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: He won that last year. He did from what yeah, 198 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 2: one more? I don't know, Yes, Marvin, can you. 199 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 7: Come back from just playing bad? Daniel Jones was my 200 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 7: pick a couple of years ago. You guys are come 201 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 7: back from what I say being sorry. 202 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if you can win for that. Chad 203 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: Pennington won it twice. 204 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 6: Remember that with the Jets. 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Of course you could never forget. 206 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 6: He wonted in six, didn't win an O seven, and 207 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 6: then wanted to get in O eight. 208 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 8: I like it. 209 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: At the end of Last Hour, a Doug in North 210 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: Carolina dropped a bombshell where he talked about maybe we 211 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: cheated Fritzy cheated celebrity family feud, and there was a moment, 212 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: now do we have that clip? Where did we have that? 213 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 2: Where Fritzy answers and then Steve says no, and then 214 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: Fritzy gets to answer again Marvin. 215 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 7: No, Actually the clips all are TJ from the Rich 216 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 7: Eisen Show and Rich Eisen himself complaining that we cheated, but. 217 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: I don't care about Rich Eisen's show that. I mean, 218 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: they got humiliated and they're trying to save face by 219 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: saying that Fritzie got a little bit of help. All right, 220 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: here is Rich Eisen. He's protesting the family feud results. 221 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 7: If there is some sort of standing, we can have 222 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 7: to one hundred you will protest the result one. 223 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: Hundred percent weekend. 224 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 9: I'm just saying it was like we were told specific 225 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 9: can protest. 226 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 7: The result because we were got on the board back 227 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 7: because he gave the answer. 228 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: We were sitting on ye and then right, yeah, he. 229 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: Gave that answer and his second bite at that apple, 230 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: and okay, so that's rich who's very desperate. TJ is 231 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: his producer, and he accused us of cheating. 232 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 9: The one thing they told us before the show was like, 233 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 9: if someone gets was an answer, and if you that's 234 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 9: your right answer, it's an ex well, you know, not 235 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 9: to complain. But at one point the pot was really big, 236 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 9: was about let's say two hundred plus points. 237 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: Fritzy gave an answer that was already given. 238 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 9: They let him give the answer, the answer, ready to 239 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 9: steal it, ready to steal it. 240 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: Okay, this is not cheating. We didn't purposely do something 241 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: that maybe if somebody made a mistake. How do we 242 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: know you had the answer? You guys didn't have any 243 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: answers the entire show, and now you're coming up as 244 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: DA damn let them up. Hey, you've accused us of cheating. 245 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: All right, we didn't cheat. We did, you know what 246 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: we were told to do, and Steve said go again. 247 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: Fritzy went again and got the answer. But I can't 248 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: count on those guys to say that they had the 249 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: right answer because they had some stupid answers. Yes, Dodd, 250 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: I was just I know we don't have it, But 251 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: what that answer was? 252 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 6: I honestly, you don't recall Steve saying it's already up there, 253 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 6: try again, or any anything of that. 254 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 7: But you know, if that's what happened, that's what happened. 255 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 5: But I'd love to hear what that answer was. 256 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: Well, why don't we find that? I thought we had 257 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: the entire show. Yeah, I gotta be honest with you. 258 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: Even listening to them talk right there, I still have 259 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: no idea what they're talking about. I don't know what 260 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: question they're talking about. I don't know what answer they're 261 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: looking for. I don't know what pot it was. I 262 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: don't really know any of those things. 263 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, see if we can find that clip there from 264 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Celebrity Family Feud. But there's no rematch here. I mean 265 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: that they're trying to save face. I will say that. 266 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: Uh the uh. Rich Eison's wife reached out to me 267 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: after the show and talked about how stupid the Rich 268 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: Eiesen show. That's right, that's no, no, no, gloves gloves 269 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: are off. Gloves are off. You accused of of and 270 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: Rich's wife accused them of being stupid. 271 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 7: Okay, yes, you're like Jerry Jones right now. You shouldn't 272 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 7: have said that, but. 273 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I'm just I'm just telling you. Let 274 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: me see. Okay, congrats on the big win. Those guys 275 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: are morons. I might lock Rich out of the house. Okay, 276 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: that's Rich Eisen. Twy Foo text me after our great 277 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: performance on Celebrity Family. Dude. Yes. Yes. 278 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 6: As far as the audio of the alleged incident, I 279 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 6: watched the show twice. What they edited a lot during 280 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 6: the show. I remember Fritzy going for an answer and 281 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 6: he answered something that was up there, and then they 282 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 6: said no, no, and he answered the right thing. Next quickly 283 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 6: they again of corrected him. It didn't make the final edit. 284 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 6: I don't think it made the final edit because I 285 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 6: didn't see it when I watched the show. So I 286 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 6: don't know if we could play the audio because we 287 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 6: don't have the audio. 288 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Well maybe it's uh, Todd, why don't you reach out 289 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: to Steve Harvey. I have him on the show. 290 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 7: I think we should. 291 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I can see maybe he can clarify that. But 292 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: if anything happened, it was a mistake. 293 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: I need Rich. 294 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: Let's put a few don't cheating? All right, thank you, Tod, 295 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: But we didn't cheat that. Maybe somebody made a mistake 296 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: on Steve Harvey's part, and Rich should be calling out 297 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: Steve Harvey, not us. But it was weird that we're celebrating, 298 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: jumping up and down after we won, and all of 299 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: a sudden, one of Rich's producers said, you know he 300 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: helped you out there. I mean, you never should have 301 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: gotten that second chance with Fritzi. I go, what we 302 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: just won? 303 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 8: Should be quiet? 304 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: All right? Let me take a break. Players Association is 305 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: a mess in the NFL JC Tretder former Center, and 306 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: the number two men in charge there has decided to 307 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: step down and we'll ask him what exactly is going on? 308 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: When on he'll join us next year Dan Patrick Show. 309 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 310 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 311 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 312 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 10: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 313 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 10: five to seven pm Eastern. 314 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. 315 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 10: We never have enough time to get to everything we 316 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 10: want to get to. 317 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 11: And that's why we have a brand new podcast called 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 11: over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in 319 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 11: our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, 320 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 11: because this guy is over promising things we never have 321 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 11: time for. 322 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you blubber list lame and me. 323 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 10: Well, you know what it's called over promise. You should 324 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 10: be good at it because you've been over promising women 325 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 10: for years. 326 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 11: Well, it's a Cavino and Rich after show, and we 327 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 11: want you to be a part of it. We're gonna 328 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 11: be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk 329 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 11: life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing 330 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 11: about something or we didn't have enough time, it will 331 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 11: continue on our after show called over Promised. 332 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 10: You don't get enough Covino and Rich make sure you 333 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 10: check out over Promise and also uncensored by the way, 334 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 10: so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. 335 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 10: It's going to be the best after show podcast of 336 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 10: all time. 337 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 11: There you go, over Promising. Remember you could see on YouTube, 338 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 11: but definitely join us. Listen Over Promised with Cavino and 339 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 11: Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you 340 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 11: get your podcasts. 341 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: We'll get to more phone calls coming up. Update our 342 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: poll results eight seven to seven three DP show. JC 343 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: Tretder former Center with the Browns and the Packers, former 344 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: NFL Players Association President and Chief Strategy officer. At least 345 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 2: those were former titles because he has decided to step down. 346 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: Why are you stepping down? Jc? 347 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like I had nothing left to give 348 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 8: the organization. I felt like as a player, I sacrificed 349 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 8: the back end of my career and I sacrifice time 350 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 8: with my family, and I did those for the players 351 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 8: and I would do them again. I love working for 352 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 8: the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like 353 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 8: I've had to sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some 354 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 8: stories out there about me that aren't true, and I've 355 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 8: been asked to sit on that and not talk about it, 356 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 8: and that was for the organization. That wasn't for the players, 357 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 8: And in the end, I feel like I couldn't do 358 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 8: that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever 359 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 8: wanted to care about was being a great dad and 360 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 8: a great husband. And once this job wasn't fun anymore 361 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 8: or hurt my family, I was out. And it happened 362 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 8: both of those at the same time, and it was 363 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 8: time for me to leave. 364 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 2: So Lloyd Hall Junior, the former NFL Players Association executive, 365 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 2: has decided to step down as well. Be specific on 366 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. That is not true that's being 367 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: said about you. 368 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of narratives fun 369 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 8: the idea that I buried, the collusion grievance. I've never 370 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 8: seen the collusion grievance, the collision. I don't have access 371 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 8: to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about 372 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 8: the collusion grievance, just not part of my job. The 373 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 8: idea that I've been angling for the executive director job 374 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 8: since I was a president also not true. I was 375 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 8: asked to run for executive director during the last search. 376 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 8: I declined because it would take me away from my 377 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 8: family for too much, and I wanted to be with 378 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 8: my kids. I've got two young kids. I love watching 379 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 8: them grow up. There's been a story about us firing 380 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 8: an arbitrator that said it was because of me. I 381 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 8: don't fire arbitrators. That's legals department. I don't do that stuff. 382 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 8: So a lot of things had been rolled down to 383 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 8: this must be Jc's fault, and that's not where I 384 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 8: sit in the organization. And that's not the type of 385 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 8: person I am, and I didn't want people thinking that 386 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 8: was the type of person I am. 387 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: ESPN reported last week that Hall struck a confidentiality agreement 388 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players, 389 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: and that was a January arbitration decision finding that the 390 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: league executive urged team owners to reduce guarantee player compensation. 391 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: When did you find out about that collusion? 392 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 8: I know we lost the collusion grievance in January that 393 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 8: I knew that. I didn't know of any agreements or 394 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 8: what was happening with that, because it's not part of 395 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 8: my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, I 396 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 8: started learning more. I was on the board call. In 397 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 8: the EC call when it was explained what had happened 398 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 8: over the last six months to the players. So I 399 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 8: know more now, but at that point I knew nothing. 400 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 8: It wasn't involved in the discussions. 401 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson 402 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would 403 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: you elaborate on that. Is that an accurate quote? 404 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, So that's the thing about being deposed. They get 405 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 8: your phone, they read all your text messages. Is not comfortable. 406 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 8: But those are all facts. So what had happened was 407 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 8: when I retired, actually did an interview and I talked 408 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 8: about They asked about guaranteed contracts, and I said, the 409 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 8: next best person to get a guaranteed contract is Russell Wilson. 410 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 8: I thought he was traded for assets, similar to Shaun Watson. 411 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 8: He's a former Super Bowl winner. The team can't just 412 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 8: let him leave. They have a lot of pressure on him. 413 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 8: They also have a cash rich owner. There was a 414 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 8: lot of things in his favor to get a guaranteed contract. 415 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 8: When he did not get a guaranteed contract, I texted 416 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 8: d and I called him a loser, and I called 417 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 8: him a woos and I was upset in that moment 418 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 8: because I felt like we were missing an opportunity to 419 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 8: get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins get one years 420 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 8: ago and no one came behind him. And then I 421 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 8: was worried, we're gonna have the same thing and we're 422 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 8: going to miss an opportunity for players to get guaranteed contracts. 423 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 8: That was before the collusion grievements was launched. That was 424 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 8: before the idea of collusion had come up. Months later 425 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 8: was when we launched the collusion grievents and that's why 426 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 8: my deposition they asked me about it, and I said, 427 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 8: if I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I 428 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 8: would apologize because I would know there was factors outside 429 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 8: his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen. 430 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 8: But I didn't know that at the time I sent 431 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 8: the text message. 432 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: Do you think that owners have been colluding on no 433 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: more guaranteed contracts? 434 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 8: I can only know what was in that report, which 435 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 8: is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude, 436 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 8: but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved 437 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 8: that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there 438 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 8: is no damages that we could prove either. At this 439 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 8: point now, this is still pending. So even though it 440 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 8: was quote hidden, it was in a stand still agreement 441 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 8: and the right to appeal was still there. So the 442 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 8: NFLPA is appealing. So this is still open and could 443 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 8: potentially change. So this is still a pending investigation or 444 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 8: appending matter, and I hope it comes out or I 445 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 8: hope it's proven that we are able to prove those 446 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 8: other two pieces that are needed to win the entire 447 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 8: collusion groups. 448 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: But don't isn't there a public record of the owner 449 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 2: of the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking 450 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: about guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks. 451 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 8: Yeah, everything in that collusion. We can talk about what 452 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 8: it looks like and then what the findings were or 453 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 8: what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those 454 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 8: is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings. 455 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 8: And the actual findings as of now is that they 456 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 8: wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still under appeal, 457 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 8: and I think the hope is that that changes when 458 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 8: it goes to a three judge panel. J C. 459 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: Treader, former NFLPA President, chief strategy officer of course, former 460 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: NFL player, some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Junior. 461 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and 462 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: retaliation in twenty eleven when he was an executive at 463 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 2: another job, strip club going to strip clubs. I don't 464 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the 465 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware 466 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former 467 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: head of the NFLPA. 468 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 8: We were aware of those during the search. We brought 469 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 8: up those that came out in the background check. We 470 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 8: asked him questions during the interviews, both with the Executive 471 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 8: Committee and at the final board meeting, we asked him 472 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 8: to directly about those. He explained his side of the story, 473 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 8: and the board was comfortable with his answer, and that's 474 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 8: how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club, 475 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 8: I was not there. I've never been to a strip club. 476 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 8: I don't drink, I don't do anything in that realm. 477 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 8: That should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it. 478 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 8: It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk 479 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 8: about who else was there. That's not my business. I 480 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 8: was not, and that's bad luck. 481 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 2: But is it a business meeting at two different strip 482 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: clubs I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he 483 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: charges it to the NFL Players Association? 484 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 8: Correct, Correct, that was the story. I do not condone 485 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 8: it at all. I do not think it is right. 486 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 8: It should never have happened. It should never happen going forward. 487 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: How do you think players should feel about the NFL 488 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: Players Association? Now? 489 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: This is not where we wanted to be When we 490 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 8: launched the search years ago, we were looking for an 491 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 8: executive director that was going to be here for two 492 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 8: plus terms. That's like ten years that did not happen. 493 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 8: This is not part of the plan. I think what's 494 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 8: the most important thing for the players right now is 495 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 8: to understand that this is their union. The players need 496 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 8: to come together. They need to find an interim to 497 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 8: lead in the time being, and then they need to 498 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 8: find a search to find somebody that is going to 499 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 8: lead them going forward. And this is not the timeline 500 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 8: we wanted. We wanted a longer runway going into the 501 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 8: next CBA. But these are now where the chips have fallen, 502 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 8: and I think the players need to take a very 503 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 8: hard look at the organization about what to do moving 504 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 8: forward and find the person that's going to come in 505 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 8: and make this organization what they want it to be, 506 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 8: because in the end, the players are the most important 507 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 8: part of this. That's who leads this, that's who this 508 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 8: is all about, and the players need to dive in 509 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 8: and take care of it. 510 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: What's the feedback been from current players over the last 511 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 2: couple of months. 512 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 8: I mean, this is also a weird time in the 513 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 8: schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I 514 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 8: don't think a lot of people are paying attention to 515 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 8: the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in 516 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 8: the last couple of days as they get back into 517 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 8: the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot 518 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 8: of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've 519 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 8: told them I've loved working for the players since I 520 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 8: became president. It has been an honor and that no 521 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 8: matter what happens, I will always be there for them 522 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 8: because that has been always my motivation is just doing 523 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 8: what's best for the guys, and that was one of 524 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 8: the toughest parts about leaving, was I feel like they 525 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 8: lose opportunities to do work for the guys, and that's that. 526 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 6: It was a very. 527 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 8: Emotional weekend for me, and I finally woke up with 528 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 8: some clarity of this is the best decision for me 529 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 8: and my family. But I'm always gonna be sad about 530 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 8: leaving the organization because those guys do a ton of 531 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 8: work and I understand what they go through and what 532 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 8: they put on the line and what they deserve, and 533 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 8: I really want them to get what they deserve. 534 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: Speaking to a couple of people involved in this, and 535 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: they said they're just a lack of transparency. That it 536 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: felt like that even when you hired how that it 537 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: was kind of cloaked in, you know, it was a clandestine, 538 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a 539 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean guilty of lack of transparency would you say 540 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association. 541 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 8: I mean, if we go back the search process, yeah, 542 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 8: you can say there was a lack of transparency to 543 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 8: the outside, right, but that's not exactly who we represent. 544 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 8: Only we owe the outside transparency. I think we discussed 545 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 8: it as player leadership what the search process should look like. 546 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 8: We had two previous search processes that weren't good, so 547 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 8: it's not like what we used to have was a 548 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 8: great option that bared great results. Wasn't true. So we 549 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 8: did something different that the players voted on Unanissley, and 550 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 8: we executed exactly what we as players decided, and that 551 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 8: decision was. We wanted the players to make their decision 552 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 8: without outside interference telling what they should make, and we 553 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 8: did that and in the end you are judged by 554 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 8: your results, and the results were not what we wanted. Again, 555 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 8: we wanted somebody here for the next ten years. That 556 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 8: did not happen. So I think when they launched their 557 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 8: next search, they should have a discussion learning from the 558 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 8: mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last 559 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 8: one of what they want to change and what they 560 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 8: want to do different. No search is perfect. I think 561 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 8: there are changes needed, and I think they will figure 562 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 8: out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those. 563 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 8: But yeah, I think the transparency is an issue that 564 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 8: we talk about of what needs to be known. Again, 565 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 8: I have frustrations now because you have two sides of 566 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 8: the coin of well, let the public dive in and 567 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 8: get to know these candidates and share what they've found 568 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 8: out about them. But I look at my situation where 569 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 8: there's been a ton of stories out there there just 570 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 8: apparently not true, and that's not fair to people. It's 571 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 8: not fair for somebody with an axe to grind to 572 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 8: put out information that isn't true and bury someone's reputation 573 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 8: and impact their standing amongst the union. So there are 574 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 8: different ways to look at what people should be able 575 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 8: to share information on, and I think the guys will 576 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 8: end up making the right decision on how they want 577 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 8: to run it going forward. 578 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May, 579 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and 580 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: the base Ball Players Association. This is a multi billion 581 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: dollar group licensing firm, one team partners, Like, there's a 582 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on here, your chief strategy officer, 583 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: and it feels like nobody knows or knew what was 584 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: going on here. 585 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. One. 586 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 8: I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so 587 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 8: I'm not going to speak about it. 588 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: I will say, well, that's ongoing, is that right? Correct? 589 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 8: And we have outside council looking into it with a 590 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 8: group of players looking into it, and that's the important part. 591 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 3: Right. 592 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 8: We have active players who are on a committee to 593 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 8: dive into these issues and evaluate all the issues, because 594 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 8: in the end, it's the players union and the players 595 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 8: have to know what's going on, and the players deserve 596 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 8: to know what's going on. You're right, and that is 597 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 8: a problem, and the players need to get to the 598 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 8: bottom of it, and they will. I'm confident they will. 599 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: When are we going to eighteen games? 600 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 8: I don't know. That's a CBA issue, so whenever. 601 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: That's going to have had discussions for a while about this. 602 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: So are they concessions that you're asking for the others? 603 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 8: No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers made 604 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 8: it clear. Anytime the microphone gets in his face, he 605 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 8: brings up eighteen games, So I think he's been clear 606 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 8: about what they want. But in the end, they can't 607 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 8: unilaterally impose that. That needs to be something that's given 608 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 8: in a CVA negotiations, and those haven't started and those 609 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 8: probably aren't going to start for a while at this 610 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 8: point with everything going on. And in the end, that 611 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 8: is a major If that is something players are ever 612 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 8: willing to give, that is a major give that damages players, 613 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 8: hurts them bad. I know Roger went on a long 614 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 8: list of things recently around sharing costs and lowering cash 615 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 8: payments in more international games. Those are all things that 616 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 8: are really bad for players, and I think players shouldn't 617 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 8: rush into a conversation when the other side is listing 618 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 8: off a long list of demands that are really bad 619 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 8: for them. We have a CBA until twenty thirty one, 620 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 8: There is no need to rush into those negotiations. If 621 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 8: they want to have an early discussion with the players, 622 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 8: then they should have a list of things why it's 623 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 8: good for the players, and I haven't heard a reason 624 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 8: why having an early negotiation is good for the players 625 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 8: at this. 626 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: Point the play should the players trust the commissioner. 627 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 8: This isn't a shot of his character. He works on 628 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 8: the other side. There's labor in management. He has bosses 629 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 8: that are not the players. He has interests that are 630 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 8: not the player's interests. So you probably should not trust 631 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 8: the person who negotiates on the other side of the 632 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 8: table because he has other interests. Besides that, I think 633 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 8: the players need to find a leader and executive director 634 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 8: that they do trust and they want in that room 635 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 8: to negotiate every half of their best interests. That is 636 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 8: how unions work. You need a leader of that union 637 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 8: to represent the player's interest and you trust that person. 638 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 8: You don't trust the person on the other side of 639 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 8: the table. 640 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: I ran into Jim McMahon and Tahoe and he's in 641 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: bad shape, but I think there was thought that he 642 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: might lose part of his leg. And I said, well, 643 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: but don't you have health benefits? And he said no, 644 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: So why doesn't Jim McMahon like, help me understand this. 645 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: I mean, do you get it for like five years 646 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: and then that's it, You're done. 647 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 8: So there's a couple different ways. 648 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: I think. 649 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 8: One, we've talked about lifetime healthcare forever. That's been a 650 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 8: conversation for twenty five years, probably longer at the union. 651 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 8: The issue is that is not an option because no 652 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 8: one is offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you 653 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 8: need an institution to give you lifetime healthcare, and there 654 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 8: is nobody willing to offer it. No one's willing to 655 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 8: take on that risk, no matter what the payment is. 656 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 8: So that's the reality. So the next step goes, how 657 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 8: do you get insurance to players. What we have right 658 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 8: now is if you vest, you get five years post 659 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 8: career health insurance. You also build up an HR account. 660 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 8: If you map those out, you can build up some 661 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 8: insurance for a while. What we need to do is 662 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 8: find other ways to supplement the insurance coverage until we 663 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 8: have an institution that is willing to give us lifetime 664 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 8: healthcare and we have the money to pay for it, 665 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 8: because again that is part of the revenue split. Everything 666 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 8: comes out of the revenue split. So if we wanted 667 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 8: lifetime health care and we could afford it, it would 668 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 8: come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits. 669 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 8: But right now that is not an option. So I 670 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 8: think one of the important things of the union is 671 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 8: going through and figuring out how to give coverage. We 672 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 8: have disability benefits, we have health we have JA accounts, 673 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 8: we have post career healthcare. We have a bunch of 674 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 8: different things that if you stack up the right way, 675 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 8: you can have coverage for a long time. But it's 676 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 8: not as clean as just like a single plan that 677 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 8: lasts forever. 678 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: JC, thanks for joining us. Good luck, absolutely thank you. 679 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: J C. Treader, former NFLPA president, chief strategy officer, and 680 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: of course played in the NFL. I heard from a 681 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 2: lot of different people, heard a lot. I heard from 682 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: a current player, former player, current agent, and somebody in 683 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: the home office of the NFL. When they realized we 684 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: were having they reached out to me and everybody kind 685 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: of had the same thought of don't let him off 686 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: the hook. This is about a democracy. You're supposed to 687 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: be running this. They're supposed to be transparency. There's a 688 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 2: lot going on the vetting process for hiring the guy 689 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: at the NFLPA. I don't know, it's hard to go. 690 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: You know, twenty eleven sexual discrimination retaliation might stand out 691 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 2: a little bit there. You know, prior jobs, companies issues there, 692 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you got somebody that's 693 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: put in place here but going to strip clubs and 694 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: then charging that, you know, back to the NFLPA. I mean, 695 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: that's bold, that's bold. The players deserve better than this 696 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 2: because they get taken advantage of. It. Feels like every 697 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: time there's a collective bargaining agreement. It's not like baseball 698 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: Baseball's union when Donald Pier was running it, Marvin Miller, 699 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: nobody messed with it. They ran the show. You know, 700 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: that's unfortunate that you know, somebody puts self interest, you know, 701 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 2: having a my view, do I think there was collusion, Yes, 702 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: I do. I think that these owners realized that. I 703 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: was told this specifically right after the Deshaun Watson deal. 704 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: Two owners were livid, livid, and I said, well, are 705 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: their quarterbacks going to be coming up for guaranteed contracts? 706 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: And I was told yes, So do I think that 707 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: you know? Bidwell and Spanos talked about Justin Herbert Kyler Murray, Yes, 708 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: I do. Yes, Does anything happen? I mean that's really 709 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: the key as we move forward. Does anything really happen 710 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 2: with any of this other than you get new people 711 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: in there? Not sure? Jacob break back after this. 712 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 713 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 714 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 715 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: listen live. 716 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: I apologize privately, I will apologize publicly. To Jim McMahon, 717 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: the former Chicago Bear quarterback. I shared details of a 718 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: conversation I had with him at Lake Tahoe, and he 719 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 2: was he was in good spirits, but he talked about 720 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: how messed up his ankle is and had surgery and 721 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: thought that he might lose his leg or a portion 722 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: of his leg. And I talked about you know what 723 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: kind of health plan health care plan with the NFL, 724 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: and he said, we don't have any. So he's paying 725 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 2: out a pocket for all these procedures. And and I 726 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: go back a long way with Jim. There were there 727 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 2: were some years that were really really dark, dark years 728 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: for Jim McMahon. Stayed in bed most of the day, 729 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 2: shades were shut. He just sat there and watched war 730 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: movies and battling depression. And you know, they finally figured 731 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: out what was causing this, and he's still in good spirits. 732 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: But I probably should have kept that to myself, But 733 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 2: I was trying to make a point to J. C. Tretder, 734 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 2: formerly of the NFL Players Association, that we kick these 735 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 2: guys to the curb. I mean, it's such a what 736 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: are you doing for me? 737 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 4: Now? 738 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: What have you done for me lately? And you know, 739 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: we all have memories of Jim McMahon, But then all 740 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: of a sudden you look up, it's like Steve McMichael, 741 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: the former Chicago beargrade like these guys have to live 742 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 2: with what injuries they sign up for this. I know 743 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 2: that all of that. I understand that there just should 744 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: be a better process, better care for these players when 745 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: they're done because we move on and then we'll see somebody. 746 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 2: You'll see Earl Campbell in a wheelchair, and I remember 747 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: seeing him years ago in Houston. I went, oh my god, 748 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 2: he couldn't walk. Earl Campbell couldn't walk. You see a 749 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 2: lot of these players and it sometimes it's physical, sometimes 750 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 2: it's mental. Sometimes it's both. But being a star and 751 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: then that's it going. So I brought that up, probably selfishly, 752 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: because I felt bad when I saw Jim in Tyhee 753 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 2: And once again McMahon had a smile on his face 754 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: and he wasn't complaining. He was laughing, telling jokes. He 755 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: was being Jim McMahon. But I said, man, you're limping. 756 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: He goes, oh, man, let me show you this. He 757 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: showed me surgeries. Oh god. And that's when I said, oh, well, 758 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 2: you you know, how's your healthcare plan? He goes, we 759 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 2: don't have any. I went, oh my god. He goes, 760 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 2: I'm paying out of pocket. Well I don't know what 761 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: he's making now because he didn't do anything. But yeah. So, 762 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 2: and with the NFL Players Association, I know that might 763 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 2: be inside foot, but you know, questions need to be 764 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 2: asked sometimes, and I appreciate JC Tredder coming on, but 765 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: I just don't think you can have the title of 766 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 2: cheap Strategy officer and not be aware of what's going on. 767 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 2: And it feels like there's a lot of finger pointing 768 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: and nobody's really taken accountability here. But at least he 769 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 2: came on. I appreciate that because a lot of people 770 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 2: in his position probably would not. So, all right, we 771 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 2: got a minute and a half. I don't even know 772 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 2: what direction to go in a minute and a half here, 773 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 2: so I apologize. 774 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, you can read more about it if you go 775 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 6: to NFL dot com. There's pretty clear websites and things 776 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 6: about benefits for former players vested players who have played 777 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 6: at least two years. Generally after you retire or leave 778 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 6: the game, you get about five years of coverage via 779 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 6: the NFL if you're vested meaning playing two or more 780 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 6: full So there's a lot of detail there you could 781 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 6: read about, but it's really capped at five seasons after 782 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 6: you retire, no matter how long you play. 783 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 2: Well, a shout out to Pablo Torre because he's been 784 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 2: doing great investigative work here and he's the one who 785 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 2: uncovered a lot of this information. That's coming out now 786 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 2: that maybe we wouldn't have known about it, but owners colluding, 787 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 2: the head of the Players Association, his backstory going to 788 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: strip clubs, and just feels like there's a lot that's 789 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: going on there and probably more fallout to happen. All right, 790 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 2: two hours in the books, one more to go on 791 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 2: this Tuesday, Fritzy Seat and Marv Pauli Years truly Dan 792 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 2: Patrick Show.