1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff, a production of iHeartRadio, Hey Brainstuff 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum here. The term critical race theory or CRT 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: became a hot button issue in late twenty twenty. Since then, 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: hundreds of US state and local legislators and other officials 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: have introduced policies attempting to ban critical race theory from 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: being taught in public schools. As of October of twenty 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty nine states had actually adopted such policies 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: in one way or another. Many measures have failed to 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: be adopted, or have been withdrawn or expired before they 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: went to vote. Only seven states have had no such bans. 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: Put forth, the term seemed to appear out of nowhere. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: So why is critical race theory suddenly part of the 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: conversation and what is it? Anyway? For the article, this 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: episode is based on how Stuff Work. Spoke with David 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Miguel Gray, an assistant professor of philosophy at the Institute 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: for Intelligence Systems at the University of Memphis. He explained, 17 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: critical race theory is a movement in legal thought. Let's 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: unpack that our Critical race theory is an academic framework 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: that legal scholars specifically used to critically examine the legal 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: history of the United States through a lens of racism, 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: including everything from the US Constitution to the Mayflower Compact, 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: as well as legislation from the Supreme Court or lower courts. 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: A CRT was developed during the mid nineteen seventies by 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: a handful of legal scholars after they determined that despite 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: the gains of the US civil rights movement, a progress 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: toward racial equality had been slow or in some cases 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: rolled back. These scholars, in particular Derek Bell and Alan Freeman, 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: realized that a new conceptual framework was needed to better 29 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: understand the complex relationship between race, racism, and the US 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: legal system. In nineteen eighty nine, more than twenty scholars 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: created the first CRT workshop in Madison, Wisconsin. One of 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: the organizers one Kimberly Crenshaw, so that they quote were 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: interested in defining and elaborating on the lived reality of 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: race and were open to the aspiration of developing theory. 35 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: So the original purpose of CRT was to think about 36 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: how the law contributed to racial inequality in the United States, 37 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: both in the past and present. The theory they developed, 38 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: which is that racism is systemic in the institutions of 39 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: the United States, and that these institutions function to preserve 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 1: the dominance of white people in society, regardless of people's intentions. 41 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: Has continued an academic inquiry through today. For example, a 42 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: member of the American Bar Association wrote in twenty twenty 43 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: one that in the legal field, critical race theorists quote 44 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: address the role of racism in the law and the 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: work to eliminate it and other configuration of subordination, meaning 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: that as a theory, CRT provides scholars with a framework 47 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: from which to review past and existing legal decisions. Before 48 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: diving deeper into the principles of CRT, it's important to 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: understand the purpose of academic theories like this one. Theories 50 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: are used in both scientific and non scientific research, and 51 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: they're used to explain complex things in ways that others 52 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: can apply the same ideas to another situation. Various academic 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: disciplines engage with different theories, although many theories cross over 54 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: into multiple disciplines. Anthropologists might use theories like structuralism and postmodernism. 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: Educators might use theories like behaviorism or connectivism. Not all 56 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: scholars with a discipline utilize the same theories, or even 57 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: use them in the same way. Which allows many viewpoints 58 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: to discuss each discipline, which this really cool. It acknowledges 59 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: that there are different ways of viewing the world and 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: of trying to figure out how it works. Critical race 61 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: theory is one such academic theory. It was initially developed 62 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: within legal studies, but now discussed within many other academic disciplines. Again, 63 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: to quote the American Bar Association, a CRT is not 64 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: a diversity and inclusion training, but a practice of interrogating 65 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: the role of race and racism in society that emerged 66 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: in the legal academy and spread to other fields of scholarship. 67 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: The aforementioned Kimberly Crenshaw explained in an MSNBC interview in 68 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, quote, a critical race theory is not 69 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: so much a thing, it's a way of looking at 70 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: a thing. She elaborated that basically, CRT is a way 71 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: of looking at race to understand why after centuries since emancipation, 72 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: patterns of inequality have endured for people of color and 73 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: indigenous people. Goal of CRT is to get everyone closer 74 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: to the promises that are embedded in the Constitution. Gray 75 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: explained that many people have conflicting views about critical race 76 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: theory and what ideas should be included with it. However, 77 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: it does include some fundamental views. These basic views include 78 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: the idea that racism is a part of American society, 79 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: not just a simple flaw that can be easily fixed 80 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: with laws. So, for example, the concept is that in 81 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: United States legal and governmental institutions, racism isn't an anomaly 82 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: or some aberrant feature, It's just normal. And while racism 83 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: may be more present in some areas than others, it 84 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: has existed throughout US history and it continues today. CRT 85 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: focuses only on legal and other institutions in general, and 86 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: not on individual people. Through it, scholars work to learn 87 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: how racism exists in society and where improvements can be made, 88 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: as well as to provide an analysis of what perpetuates 89 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: racism in American systems. The theory also maintains the idea 90 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that the foundation of the United States was based on 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: doctrines that could be considered racist, for example, the Virginia 92 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: laws about slavery and servitude. In other cases, race might 93 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: not have been explicitly included, but was nevertheless implied, like 94 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: in the Three Fifths Compromise that was the agreement made 95 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: during the seventeen eighty seven Constitutional Convention, which determined that 96 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: enslaved individuals counted as three fifths of a person for 97 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: both representation and taxation. Gray explained that later and even 98 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: modern laws and policies about housing, voting rights, education, and 99 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: segregation can also fall into this category. He said, the 100 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: critical race theorists have argued that our country is largely 101 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: founded upon doctrines that are in direct opposition with what 102 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: we normally hear our country is all about. In addition 103 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: to just studying these discrepancies about liberty and equality, critical 104 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: race theorists also aim to change them. Some researchers who 105 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: study education have taken up critical race theory by arguing 106 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: that racism is entrenched in American education practices and policies. 107 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: They've questioned how the educational system might be unjust with 108 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: respect to race. Again, regardless of anybody's intentions, certain practices 109 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: might have different impacts on different communities. For example, the 110 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: aforementioned Derek Bell explored the Brown Versus Board of Education's 111 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: Preme Court ruling of nineteen fifty four, which legally determined 112 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: that the racial segregation of children in public schools is unconstitutional. 113 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Bell asserted that the court's decision was based on improving 114 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: the international image of the United States during the Cold War. 115 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: He also argued that the ruling was effectually limited because 116 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: the court didn't actually offer a fix, and that furthermore, 117 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: the fact that there is still racial inequality and education 118 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: means the law is helping maintain that, whether anyone meant 119 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: it to or not. This is an example of the 120 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: relationship between CRT and education. The theory is used to 121 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: critically analyze the history and present state of education in 122 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: the United States. However, there is no evidence that critical 123 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: race theory itself is being added to the curriculum in 124 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: American K through twelve schools. One reason for that is 125 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: that K through twelve children are unlikely to comprehend advanced 126 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: academic theories. That's why structuralism and behaviorism aren't on the 127 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: K through twelve curriculum either, with the possible exception of 128 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: some advanced high school classes. A critical race theory is 129 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: a law school course, and the theory is used in 130 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: university courses of other disciplines like philosophy and literary criticism, 131 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: often at the graduate level. But I know that's being 132 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: a little pedantic. Certainly some of the documents and court 133 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: decisions that CRT has been used to critique are taught 134 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: at various levels during K through twelve education, such as 135 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: the Three Fifths Compromise and the Enduring Effects of Slavery. 136 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: That is why CRT has received a lot of attention recently, 137 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: with people and politicians expressing concern that's being taught in schools, 138 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: including elementary schools. AGray wrote in an article for The 139 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Conversation that it's quote become a catch all phrase among 140 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: legislators attempting to ban a wide variety of teaching practices 141 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: concerning race. However, the concepts being banned by proposed legislation 142 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: under the guise of prohibiting the teaching of CRT aren't 143 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: often part of CRT principles. For example, in Tennessee, and 144 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: anti CRT bill that was signed into law in twenty 145 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: twenty one states that public and charter schools may not 146 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: teach or use materials that assert one race or sex 147 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: is inherently superior to another race or sex, or that 148 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: an individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment 149 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: because of the individual's race or sex. Critical race theory 150 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really have anything to do with that what seems 151 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: to have happened is those opposing CRT have taken the 152 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: fact that the theory isn't colorblind because it recognizes the 153 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: effects of race and racism and asserts that the only 154 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: way to improve our society is to address racism through 155 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: legal and institutional changes, and they've therefore ascribed a racist 156 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: characteristics to the theory. In other words, many people are 157 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: saying that critical race Theory is trying to rewrite American 158 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: history to convince white people that they are inherently racist, 159 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: which again is not the point of CRT. It's merely 160 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: a lens through which to see how our world works, 161 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: and it focuses specifically on laws and systems, regardless of 162 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: any person's intent. Gray the situation up by saying it's 163 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: a hot mess to use a really good Southern phrase. 164 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: Today's episode is based on the article what is critical 165 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: Race Theory Anyway? 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