Speaker 1: Hi everyone. This is part two of our story about
Speaker 1: Hector Monsiger. If you haven't listened to part one yet,
Speaker 1: go back and listen to it. First. I sat there
Speaker 1: paying with your kids, and every day I want to
Speaker 1: take it to church. And uh, you know, I started
Speaker 1: seeing conn Edison trucks parked out from in front of
Speaker 1: my building, people hiding in vans with paperwork peeking at me.
Speaker 1: This bad. We don't know what POLVII is doing, but
Speaker 1: you know something's not right, but nobody could tell me
Speaker 1: specifically what it was. These little girls, I cannot allow
Speaker 1: them to go. Once forced to care, he said, okay,
Speaker 1: well you have made these crimes. We have to charge
Speaker 1: you with these crmes. Ah, So have you heard that
Speaker 1: I was a daughter? I was dead. You know I
Speaker 1: was done. So here was Hector, crammed in a small
Speaker 1: room with two FBI Asians in the very early hours
Speaker 1: of June. He thought his life was over, but then
Speaker 1: the Asian suggested a deal. They wanted him to keep
Speaker 1: doing what he was doing as if nothing had changed,
Speaker 1: but this time with the FBI quietly watching his every
Speaker 1: move that would grant the government an unprecedented real time
Speaker 1: peek into the hacker group, an anonymous offshoot lull SEC.
Speaker 1: The Asians were after not just Hector, but his fellow
Speaker 1: hackers too. That was that anger. That was that you know,
Speaker 1: screw the government inside of me and I felt like
Speaker 1: I was betraying myself between the coals. But he didn't
Speaker 1: have long to make the decision because the girls weren't there.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, you go school yourselves. I'm gonnad
Speaker 1: a lawyer, my attorney. I'm gonna try this out. Hacking
Speaker 1: is a tweet amnabum anyway, um, but it's hard to
Speaker 1: do them when you have kids around. You know, Do
Speaker 1: I let them pay for my mistakes? Well? Just do
Speaker 1: I deal with it myself. In the morning, the FBI
Speaker 1: took Hector to court for his initial appearance. It was
Speaker 1: a rare closed proceeding to keep Hector's arrest a secret.
Speaker 1: He was released on bail in the afternoon. He picked
Speaker 1: up his young cousins at school. They all cried, including him.
Speaker 1: You know, kids and much more than you think. Uh.
Speaker 1: The big one not to mention the name. She basically
Speaker 1: she was basically you know, I was skinny. You left
Speaker 1: us and he didn't come back home. Oh, I broke
Speaker 1: my heart. It's like I got you. I'm not leaving
Speaker 1: you behind your crazy So over the course of less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours in June two eleven, Hector was arrested,
Speaker 1: agreed to cooperate with the government, and got out on bail.
Speaker 1: He was allowed to go back to a sixth floor apartment,
Speaker 1: and he was able to keep the girls right away.
Speaker 1: The FBI Asians put him to work. When they arrested him.
Speaker 1: They'd seize Hector's laptop, which was so battered it was
Speaker 1: missing a couple of keys. The Asians gave him a
Speaker 1: new computer that was installed with software so they could
Speaker 1: monitor everything he did on it. They also set up
Speaker 1: a surveillance camera in his home so he wouldn't run.
Speaker 1: So what did you do for the FBI? Just sat
Speaker 1: there and be said, bo got online. I cursed him
Speaker 1: out all day because I was angry at the FBI
Speaker 1: for what they were doing too. I mean, I felt
Speaker 1: like it was extortion. The agents would tell him, you
Speaker 1: gotta play your position, all right, um the lord you
Speaker 1: can played his out as similar as it is, this
Speaker 1: case is over. You have your kids back, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be out of your lives. You're not gonna bother you
Speaker 1: no more So. Hector was off to a reluctant start,
Speaker 1: but prosecutors would later praise him for those nine months
Speaker 1: he spent secretly cooperating with the FBI. They would go
Speaker 1: on to call his work extraordinary. Some days, Hector would
Speaker 1: sit in a computer room with Asians, explaining the way
Speaker 1: he researched ways to break into his targets. Other days
Speaker 1: he'd walk prosecutors through the play by play of his
Speaker 1: previous hacks, and then in the afternoon he'd go pick
Speaker 1: up his cousins at school. In the evening, he'd often
Speaker 1: log on to chat and coordinate with the other hackers, who,
Speaker 1: of course didn't know that he was cooperating with the FBI. Today,
Speaker 1: Hector is quick to say that he himself never directly
Speaker 1: named anyone and that he never testified against his co
Speaker 1: conspirators in court, but the government said that his efforts
Speaker 1: contributed directly in the identification, prosecution, and conviction of eight
Speaker 1: separate hackers, including a guy called Jeremy Hammond, who at
Speaker 1: one point was the FBI's most wanted cyber criminal. Hector
Speaker 1: also passed on information about attacks that other hackers were planning.
Speaker 1: The FBI estimated that it was able to disrupt or
Speaker 1: prevent at least three hundred hacks as a result, including
Speaker 1: those against the U. S. Armed Forces, NASA, a television network,
Speaker 1: and an electronics conglomerate. All of that required grueling work
Speaker 1: that sometimes kept him up all night, and it took
Speaker 1: a toll. Hector's aunt was released from prison midway into
Speaker 1: Hector's work with FBI, and she remembers just how overwhelmed
Speaker 1: he was. The kid will break out with these massive headaches,
Speaker 1: to the point where he would cry and lay in
Speaker 1: my lap and I would like to have the massage,
Speaker 1: just simple massages. Ford put cold rags on his head
Speaker 1: and give him Tolennel and saw him. You're always gonna
Speaker 1: be all right. You're gonna get through this. But there
Speaker 1: were lighter moments too. All the hard work forged an
Speaker 1: unexpected bond between Hector and Chris Tarbell, the FBI agent
Speaker 1: who arrested him. He will see me a lot. He
Speaker 1: would come to see me. He will drive to see me,
Speaker 1: check me out, make sure it was all right. Chris
Speaker 1: declined to sit for a taped interview because he didn't
Speaker 1: want to discuss the details of the FBI's investigation, but
Speaker 1: he was willing to talk about his own views of Hector.
Speaker 1: Chris told me that before the rest, he knew Hector
Speaker 1: only by the demeanor he exhibited in his online persona Sabu,
Speaker 1: the cold hearted, calculated rogue who made it clear to
Speaker 1: everyone online that they should not mess with him. Over time,
Speaker 1: Chris came to see Hector in a different light, as
Speaker 1: someone who cares deeply about his family, especially his two
Speaker 1: young cousins, as someone who had to make tough moral
Speaker 1: decisions to do right by them. Here's Hector again, and
Speaker 1: we would eat like fat bastards like it would just eat.
Speaker 1: We love to eat. He would bring me like a
Speaker 1: chipo and he would eat something else and we just
Speaker 1: sit down and talk and laugh and jog um. He's
Speaker 1: a very real guy. Of course, Hector knew they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be eating meals together like this for long. He was
Speaker 1: bracing himself for what would come next. There's a major
Speaker 1: takedown in the war against computer crime. Authorities in the
Speaker 1: United States and Europe just rounded some alleged hackers, and
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors said six key members have been arrested. Set
Speaker 1: an offshoot of the hacktivist group Anonymous have been arrested
Speaker 1: in the US, Britain, and Ireland charged with hacking and
Speaker 1: other crimes. On March six, two twelve, with great fanfare,
Speaker 1: US prosecutors announced charges against six hackers, including Hector. As
Speaker 1: part of that Hector's identity as Sabu was released to
Speaker 1: the public for the first time. Prosecutors outlined the twelve
Speaker 1: charges that Hector pleaded suilty too, which carried a maximum
Speaker 1: penalty of more than a hundred twenty years in prison.
Speaker 1: The government also revealed the details of Hector's secret cooperation
Speaker 1: with FBI. It was a huge victory for the bureau,
Speaker 1: which at the time still didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: experience solving cyber crimes. Fox News had the story first.
Speaker 1: Its article described Hector as a lazy, underachiever, complacent in
Speaker 1: his lifestyle, and a welfare recipient, which by the way,
Speaker 1: Hector says he wasn't, and The New York Times called
Speaker 1: him a party boy of the projects. The story cited
Speaker 1: unidentified neighbors who complained about the noise at night and
Speaker 1: the smell of marijuana wafting from his apartment. And then
Speaker 1: there were the chat forms online they lit up with
Speaker 1: all kinds of diet tribes about his betrayal of Anonymous
Speaker 1: in his own police fearing neighborhood, Hector and his family
Speaker 1: faced threats for cooperating with law enforcement. March five, Everyone
Speaker 1: loves that when it was the best guy in the universe.
Speaker 1: More six, I was mad at the cardinal. There was
Speaker 1: a traitor. I was sending me to bowl Gravano. I
Speaker 1: was I was the worst person to have exists. Reporters
Speaker 1: swarmed his apartment, and Hector and his family faced so
Speaker 1: much harassment that the FBI decided to relocate him. The
Speaker 1: girls were returned to their mother, Hector's aunt, who was
Speaker 1: newly released from prison. A little over two months after
Speaker 1: his arrest was publicized, Hector's bail was revoked for posting
Speaker 1: unauthorized material online. He had been keeping a blog in
Speaker 1: which he posted short stories which included references to the FBI.
Speaker 1: He was sent to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: That's the federal jail that once held the gangster John Gotti.
Speaker 1: Last year, it took in the Mexican drug lord El Chapo.
Speaker 1: Some publications, including The l A Times, have called it
Speaker 1: the Guantana mode of New York. It was weird fo
Speaker 1: all of us because you know, not only he had
Speaker 1: he had me right, you had these big time dudes
Speaker 1: that were their murderers, just kidnappers and terrorists. And there
Speaker 1: it was the craziest place. But Hector says he gained
Speaker 1: a lot from that time he spent in jail. Give
Speaker 1: me time to think and spend the time in my
Speaker 1: bunky really helped me because again, talking to somebody with
Speaker 1: a different perspective helps a lot of trust me. I've
Speaker 1: come to realize that the most important thing in my
Speaker 1: life right now, at least at that moment, was the kids.
Speaker 1: In December, after seven months in custody, Hector was rereleased
Speaker 1: on bail. His aunt, his father, his cousin, and his
Speaker 1: friend came to pick him up. Hector scarfed down a
Speaker 1: hot dog, down to soda, and smoked a cigarette. But
Speaker 1: as he re acclimated to life outside of jail, he
Speaker 1: was stuck in a new kind of purgatory. I came
Speaker 1: out had nothing nothing nothing nothing, no money, no help,
Speaker 1: no job. Uh couldn't get on the incident, couldn't talk
Speaker 1: to my friends. UM, my family screwed up. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're just not working. Hector went on to stay with
Speaker 1: an uncle and all the while he wasn't allowed to
Speaker 1: touch a computer. His sentencing hearing got delayed seven times.
Speaker 1: It was the sickest, craziest year of my life. Two
Speaker 1: thowl the embarrassment, regret, the shame. He went through a
Speaker 1: big depression phase where I asked him to do therapy,
Speaker 1: to get counseling, to try to get home, but he
Speaker 1: shows not. I was his therapist, at his counselor his side.
Speaker 1: On fourteen, Hector, thirty years old, finally stood before a U. S.
Speaker 1: District judge for sentencing. It was almost three years since
Speaker 1: the day he was arrested, and more than a year
Speaker 1: and a half since his arrest became public. I read
Speaker 1: the transcript of the hearing and it's really everything you
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect from a criminal court proceeding. It was cordial,
Speaker 1: non confrontational, overflowing with praise for Hector from all sides.
Speaker 1: The room was packed with journalists. Hector's lawyer started off
Speaker 1: by requesting a sentence of time already served for those
Speaker 1: seven months he spent in jail when its bail had
Speaker 1: been revoked, which is a dramatically reduced sentence for the
Speaker 1: twelve charges he pleaded guilty too. It's even less than
Speaker 1: the mandatory minimum. And then the government called Hector's cooperation
Speaker 1: quote extraordinary and recommended the same reduced sentence for Hector
Speaker 1: of time served. The judge immediately accepted the motion. In
Speaker 1: her parting words, she told Hector he'd done as much
Speaker 1: as any human being could do to make up for
Speaker 1: his past wrongs. She told him that she looks forward
Speaker 1: to him deploying his skills for good. I sat in
Speaker 1: the court room and I began to cry. When the
Speaker 1: judge saluted him, I salute you. Hector walked out of
Speaker 1: the courtroom that day a freeman, but he would soon
Speaker 1: face one rejection after another as he tried to rebuild
Speaker 1: his life. Welcome back. A little over a year since
Speaker 1: hector sentencing. In the summer of two thousand fifteen, text
Speaker 1: sites were a buzz about a young security researcher named
Speaker 1: Benjamin Caudill. He ran a small cyber security firm at Seattle.
Speaker 1: Benjamin had created a device that would help people get
Speaker 1: online while masking their physical locations, but then he had
Speaker 1: to abruptly cancel the project as soon as it got publicity.
Speaker 1: With very little explanation. Curious onlookers had all kinds of
Speaker 1: theories about the projects sudden death. Well, apparently somebody didn't
Speaker 1: want Pound whistleblower, Pound and Anonymity to happen, and no
Speaker 1: one knows why. It's probably the SEC got mad at me.
Speaker 1: I kind of wondered about that if maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: some sort of gimmick. So I just speaking, I don't know,
Speaker 1: nobody knows. That's when Benjamin got a direct message on
Speaker 1: Twitter from Hector, like doing this Adam only from a
Speaker 1: hole in the wall, But I've been through this nonsense. Um,
Speaker 1: keep your head up, ignore the BS considering good. There's
Speaker 1: free publicity for the company. Just keep your head up, bro,
Speaker 1: and if you need me to send me up. Ironically,
Speaker 1: back when Hector was attacking all these corporations on behalf
Speaker 1: of Anonymous, Benjamin was on the other side, helping protect
Speaker 1: companies from hackers like Hector. Benjamin used to work for
Speaker 1: the aircraft manufacturer Boeing and remembers discussing with this team
Speaker 1: how they would respond if Anonymous were ever to come
Speaker 1: after the company. And now here was one of its
Speaker 1: hackers saying, Hi, here's Benjamin. It was very I'll say
Speaker 1: it was very skeptical, very uma suspicious even, But Benjamin
Speaker 1: was also curious and responded. After some back and forth,
Speaker 1: they hopped on a call. They ended up talking for
Speaker 1: hours discussing all kinds of nerdy cybersecurity things. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have believed it myself had I not experienced it, But
Speaker 1: he's actually a very very gentle, very nice kind person,
Speaker 1: and on all of these things kind of took me
Speaker 1: by surprise. At the time, Hector was struggling to find
Speaker 1: a job. He made some money through bug bounty programs.
Speaker 1: These are rewards that companies offered to people who find
Speaker 1: security flaws in their systems, but it wasn't enough to
Speaker 1: pay the bills, and it wasn't enough to build a career.
Speaker 1: The rejections piled up and he was devastated. One day,
Speaker 1: Hector mentioned this to Benjamin. Benjamin said, Okay, let me
Speaker 1: reach out to the guys I know. Benjamin would say, Hey, Joe,
Speaker 1: I got this guy that has a lot of exploit
Speaker 1: dev experience, has have been doing this for fifty has
Speaker 1: all this technical and security experience in in offensive operations,
Speaker 1: and it's looking for a role and consistently people would be,
Speaker 1: you know, jumping over the table excited for this, and
Speaker 1: then Benjamin would say, great, his name is Hector. Monster.
Speaker 1: It was incredible how how fast they were to do
Speaker 1: not only retract their statement you know, we're not interested
Speaker 1: and just shut down the conversation, but had almost like
Speaker 1: blackballed me, almost by extension. This went on for two
Speaker 1: to three months. Benjamin City reached out to contexts, but
Speaker 1: not a single one even agreed to have an initial
Speaker 1: conversation with Hector. You would admitted yourself, this is a
Speaker 1: skill set, a person, a capability you desperately need, and
Speaker 1: you are not even willing to have a discussion about it.
Speaker 1: You're not even willing to get more information. I think
Speaker 1: we've all heard stories about how hard it is for
Speaker 1: convicted felons to get a job, but I was still
Speaker 1: surprised to hear of the swift and unanimous rejection that
Speaker 1: Hector got. Yeah, this is a very skilled person in
Speaker 1: a in a really hot industry that desperately needs more talent.
Speaker 1: Although I do understand why companies wouldn't want to take
Speaker 1: the risk of hiring somebody with Hector's reputation, it made
Speaker 1: me wonder if the ban was more specific to Hector,
Speaker 1: who had gained a ton of notoriety as a high
Speaker 1: profile anonymous hacker, or if the reluctance to hire convicted
Speaker 1: hackers was more widespread. I called up Tom Holt, who's
Speaker 1: a professor at Michigan State University. His research focuses on
Speaker 1: computer crimes. Well, the risk would be that you're a
Speaker 1: known criminal quantity, So are you going to do it again?
Speaker 1: This is a really important question, and there's actually no
Speaker 1: data to predict that risk right now. According to the
Speaker 1: U S Sentencing Commission, federal offenders of drug trafficking have
Speaker 1: a particularly high rate of recidivism. It's forty two sent
Speaker 1: Those who commit fraud fo larcnity is three point nine.
Speaker 1: But the research on cyber criminals is so early that,
Speaker 1: according to Tom, there aren't even definitive numbers on how
Speaker 1: many of them exist. I asked Tom to name the
Speaker 1: people he knew who have made the transition from criminal
Speaker 1: to legit. Oh, man, uh, it can't be that many. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess you have met Nick. You have um Adrian
Speaker 1: as a I was forget as a Lama or Lamo.
Speaker 1: So there's a couple. But yeah, not not that many.
Speaker 1: Watching Hector get rejection after rejection, Benjamin had a thought,
Speaker 1: maybe this could be an option. Maybe we we are
Speaker 1: the ones to hire Hector. When Benjamin says we, he's
Speaker 1: referring to us from Rhino Security Labs, which deploys its
Speaker 1: legitimate research jersey to test the security of its clients networks.
Speaker 1: The idea is to have Rhino's good guys try to
Speaker 1: break in and identify the flaws before the bad guys do.
Speaker 1: The company's business was growing and there was room to
Speaker 1: expand the team. At an industry dinner party one night,
Speaker 1: Benjamin floated the idea of hiring Hector. Nobody thought it
Speaker 1: was a good idea, but Benjamin got his chance to
Speaker 1: try it anyway. In the fall of two thousand fifteen,
Speaker 1: a repeat client had come to Rhino with a particularly
Speaker 1: difficult job. So, with the permission of that client, Benjamin
Speaker 1: asked Hector to join the project as a contractor. Very
Speaker 1: first engagement was was just was just incredible. When I
Speaker 1: first got that paycheck, you know, man, that made me complete.
Speaker 1: I was happy. I thank them so much, said dude,
Speaker 1: you are a gentleman of a scholar, you know. Thank
Speaker 1: you for giving your word today Hector is the director
Speaker 1: of assessment services at Benjamin firm Rhino Security Labs. He
Speaker 1: manages a team of five people. Our goal is to
Speaker 1: infiltrate the clients by any means necessary and getting as
Speaker 1: far as we can, as deep as we can. If
Speaker 1: that sounds pretty similar to what he did as a
Speaker 1: criminal hacker, that's because the work actually is really similar,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that this time companies aren't asking
Speaker 1: him to do it, and instead of wreaking havoc with
Speaker 1: what they find, Hector and his team right up a
Speaker 1: tidy report that they submit to the client. In this
Speaker 1: twist that completely surprised me, Hector today is friends with
Speaker 1: Chris Tarbell, that FBI agent who arrested him. Chris today
Speaker 1: works for a consulting firm as a cyber security expert,
Speaker 1: which makes him and Hector industry appears. Hector says he
Speaker 1: looks up to Chris as a mentor, as someone he
Speaker 1: goes to for advice. Chris says he sees their relationship
Speaker 1: more like a work relationship that's deepen over time. Chris
Speaker 1: was kind of like a supervisor while Hector was cooperating
Speaker 1: with FBI. Chris has met Hector's cousins, his aunt and
Speaker 1: his father, and also mentioned that they have plans for
Speaker 1: Hector to soon meet Chris's own family. Meanwhile, Hector is
Speaker 1: still the only one with a criminal record at Rhino.
Speaker 1: Benjamin said there have been three or so candidates who
Speaker 1: were inspired by Hector's transition and approached Rhino about potentially
Speaker 1: working there, but Benjamin said he since they weren't completely
Speaker 1: committed to letting go of their former life. I ended
Speaker 1: up spending more than eight hours with Hector over the
Speaker 1: course of two separate days, and this was the point
Speaker 1: that he seemed to really want to make that he's
Speaker 1: changed over and over again. He told me that he
Speaker 1: sees his hacks differently now. So people that their information
Speaker 1: was leaked uh to my various hacks, I feel bad
Speaker 1: for them because why is their identities being used? Now?
Speaker 1: That mean there's my mistake for leaking their info? Why
Speaker 1: did I do it? Why was I not thinking a
Speaker 1: lot of these things that you want to go back
Speaker 1: in top of fix? And it's too late, and I
Speaker 1: feel horrible about it. I wish that there was more
Speaker 1: I could do. You know, he even regrets the hacks
Speaker 1: he did to cheer on the protesters of the Arab Spring.
Speaker 1: At the time, it seemed like everything that we were
Speaker 1: doing was completely right and completely justified, and we were
Speaker 1: on the right path. You were righteous. Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: a cause. But then you fast forward in time and
Speaker 1: you see what happened to Gaddafi is still in a
Speaker 1: state of chaos and insecurity. The Arab Spring promised so much,
Speaker 1: but the regent seems to be unraveling. From Olibya to
Speaker 1: six years on human rights organizations, Egyptians have lost basic liberties.
Speaker 1: Unhappy with the brief rule of the Muscle brothers. Did
Speaker 1: we help those people? I can't be proud of it
Speaker 1: because I think I may have made a situation worse.
Speaker 1: If you were to do your life over again, what
Speaker 1: would you do differently? That's such a difficult question. I
Speaker 1: have no idea they'll be back in the projects. If
Speaker 1: I don't mess the computers, what would it be in
Speaker 1: the streets. And honestly, I would avoid Anonymous if I could.
Speaker 1: Anonymous was a sham and it was a big joke
Speaker 1: and I didn't see it. Two was too late. It's
Speaker 1: it's a really cheesy cult that it's very easy to
Speaker 1: fall into a cult like that because they give your attention,
Speaker 1: and they retweet you, and theyre facebook you, and they
Speaker 1: restatus you, and they wouldmonish you and show you all
Speaker 1: the love and social media respect that you want until
Speaker 1: they don't like you no more, and then you have
Speaker 1: ten thousand death threats in your inbox, and then they're
Speaker 1: sending you pieces to your house so they're trained to
Speaker 1: kill your family. Do you ever feel the temptation to
Speaker 1: go back to hacking. I can't afford it. I can't
Speaker 1: afford it because if I lose everything I built, then
Speaker 1: what's what's the point? Do you miss it? No? I'm
Speaker 1: actually very bored of it. I'm bored of hacking. I
Speaker 1: look at I look at security research as a job,
Speaker 1: and I try to make it as monotone as possible.
Speaker 1: I want to maximize results of my clients and uh
Speaker 1: be able to finish up my my shift and enjoy
Speaker 1: something else like Netflix. Stranger Things Too was great, by
Speaker 1: the way, uh, Castle Gating was nothing. Show actor is
Speaker 1: thirty four now, and it's been two decades since he
Speaker 1: first got online. There's something familiar about the way his
Speaker 1: relationships with computers has changed. He's exhausted for being on
Speaker 1: a computer, like he's not in love with it anymore.
Speaker 1: You don't have that same love like when I first
Speaker 1: gave him when his first computer. Being a cyber security researcher,
Speaker 1: he worries a lot about his cousin's going online. It's
Speaker 1: not that he doesn't trust them. They're twelve and fourteen,
Speaker 1: and he says they're really smart, but he doesn't trust
Speaker 1: the rest of the world out there. I hate to
Speaker 1: sound like an old fart, that old man or whatever,
Speaker 1: but if I had the chance, I would probably block
Speaker 1: the intem of the house, you know, kind of over
Speaker 1: it as long as together, very bad. They would hate
Speaker 1: me for sure. Still, when he needs to work when
Speaker 1: they're together, he tries to show them what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He says cybersecurity is still a great career. The younger one,
Speaker 1: who's right around the age that Hector was when he
Speaker 1: first fell in love with computers, recently told him that
Speaker 1: she wants to learn how to code, so he's working
Speaker 1: on finding her a coding program. And that's it for
Speaker 1: this week's Decrypted. Thanks for listening. We are so excited
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Speaker 1: accompanied these two episodes were edited by Robin and Jello.
Speaker 1: The photos of Pector were shot by Ale Malca and
Speaker 1: the illustration was created by Kevin Han. Prince spin Leady
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