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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Chase Utley and this is The Phillies Show. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Phillies Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 1: todds Olecki, brought to you by the Foul Territory Network.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday morning, September thirtieth, twenty twenty four. The Phillies

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Speaker 1: played their final weekend of the regular season.

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Speaker 2: Guys, how are we doing going into the bye week?

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Speaker 2: You need the rest?

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Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like you need the rest going

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Speaker 1: into the bye week in a long year?

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Speaker 2: What do you think now?

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Speaker 3: It has been a long year for that team, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two games. Man, It's just like no

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Speaker 3: other schedule in sports. It is a grind and they

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Speaker 3: always talk about you want to keep playing or you

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Speaker 3: want to get the time off. And I think where

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Speaker 3: this team is, with his age and a couple of

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Speaker 3: guys banged up and getting some pitching, some rest, that

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Speaker 3: that week off could be valuable. But we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to hopefully the intensity ramps up on Saturday, because didn't

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Speaker 3: see a ton of it over the weekend in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that there's been a lot

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Speaker 4: of talk about whether you know, these teams that do

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Speaker 4: have to buy that they can't you know, they're not

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Speaker 4: ready to go, they don't have the intensity, they has

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Speaker 4: too much time off, et cetera, et cetera. Well, you know,

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Speaker 4: I call BS on in a lot of ways. I

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Speaker 4: do think that for teams that were super hot and

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Speaker 4: we're ramping up and getting into it, that those teams

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Speaker 4: got you know, got time off, then that would sort

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Speaker 4: of slow their momentum down. But those teams are basically

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Speaker 4: teams that are going to be in wild Card play anyway,

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Speaker 4: and they continue to play, you know, throughout so until

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Speaker 4: they get knocked out, and so I don't really think.

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Speaker 5: That's that big of a deal.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, if there is a team that

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Speaker 4: has the ability to flip the switch on, I think

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Speaker 4: this team does. The Phillies do, just because they have

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Speaker 4: some veteran guys. They've gone through it, they've been there,

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Speaker 4: they've done it. But I am concerned that they can

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Speaker 4: switch that that, you know, turn that switch on, because offensively,

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Speaker 4: it's been light and the pitching has not been terrific.

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Speaker 4: The pitching obviously ahead of the hitting right now, but

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Speaker 4: they need to play really, really good, like Christine Baseball

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Speaker 4: during the playoffs or they're not going to be going

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Speaker 4: very far at all.

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Speaker 3: This is where the being at home I think is

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Speaker 3: just going to help them. It's like, you know, you

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Speaker 3: talk about the tenth man. The tenth man is going

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Speaker 3: to be huge for the Phillies because they could like

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Speaker 3: to win or at least bring the intensity to another

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Speaker 3: level comes Saturday, because you know, you know they're saying

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Speaker 3: a watched pot never boils. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: team that just seemed to be watching the postseason pot

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Speaker 3: and just waiting for the division clinch and waiting, waiting

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Speaker 3: for the regular season to be over, and that pot

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Speaker 3: never boiled. Well it is over now. And you know,

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Speaker 3: the big thing that scares me in the postseason, and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot that scares you that can go wrong,

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Speaker 3: but this offense is so prone to periods, lengthy periods

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Speaker 3: of inconsistency and you just don't want to see that.

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Speaker 3: And I do think some intensity, the intensity of the

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Speaker 3: home crowd in the postseason could impact them in a

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Speaker 3: positive way in that area.

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Speaker 2: So we this week the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be off on Monday Tuesday, They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: workout the ballpark. Some guys are gonna throw like a

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Speaker 1: live VP and I guess some guys can stand in.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday, they're gonna have an inner squad game.

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Speaker 1: Rob Thompson is going to pick the teams. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: name a couple of captains to run those teams, and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna play a full on game. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: the walk up music, the scoreboard going, they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some crowd noise. They're going to do everything that they

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Speaker 1: as possible. And I said, you're gonna have anything on

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Speaker 2: Bragging right situation.

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Speaker 1: And he said, I feel like we need to kind

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Speaker 1: what that is going to be. Maybe, you know, one

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Speaker 1: like that. I don't know what, but they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: that on on on Wednesday. Thursday, they're gonna have another workout,

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Speaker 1: And in between that, you know, talking to some of

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get in the high velocity machine, step in

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Speaker 1: traject machine. That's the one that you know, fans that

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's kind of like the simulation shows you

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Speaker 1: video of the guy throwing the arm slot all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: so they seem to think there's going to be enough

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Speaker 1: The one thing that I think should encourage fans is

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Speaker 1: that they seem intent on not using the bye week

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Speaker 1: as an excuse. The Braves mentioned the bye week cooling

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Speaker 1: the bats each of the past two postseasons, and that

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Speaker 1: kind of irked the Phillies, I think a little bit,

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Speaker 1: kind of maybe diminishing their accomplishment of upsetting the Braves,

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Speaker 1: and so they seem really intent on going into this

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Speaker 1: week saying we're not this is not an excuse.

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Speaker 5: So do your.

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Speaker 2: Work have some intensity to it?

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Speaker 1: Have some purpose to it because we're not going to

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Speaker 1: go in and maybe if something bad happens in game one,

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Speaker 1: go oh man, the layoff, Man, the layoff really killed us.

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Speaker 1: How are we supposed hit? We had five days off?

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Speaker 1: As Trey Turner pointed out in twenty nineteen, they had

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Speaker 1: six days off between the NLCS and the World Series,

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Speaker 1: then won the first two games of the World Series.

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Speaker 1: So the Houston Astros have handled the bye week pretty

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Speaker 1: well the past few years when they've had it, so

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Speaker 1: it can be done. And so they seem to have

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Speaker 1: the right mindset anyway going in.

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Speaker 5: To the bye week.

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Speaker 1: So they don't know who they're going to play yet

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Speaker 1: nobody knows who they're going to play at So if

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Speaker 1: you so the Braves and Mets today, guys, they are

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Speaker 1: playing a doubleheader.

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Speaker 2: You guys have all this, You guys know all this?

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Speaker 2: How this is all going to work?

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Speaker 5: Or no, no clue.

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Speaker 1: The Phillies are going to play the Brewers, who are

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Speaker 1: the number three seed or the number six seed. They

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Speaker 1: will not put the Phillies will not play the Braves

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Speaker 1: if they're in, they're going to be the number five seed,

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Speaker 1: So the Braves and Phillies are. Braves and Mets play

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Speaker 1: Diego to play the Patres on on Tuesday night. The

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Speaker 1: Mets will be the number six seed and fly back

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Speaker 1: to Milwaukee. They were just in Milwaukee. They'll fly back

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Speaker 1: to Milwaukee. If either team sweeps, they'll be the number

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Speaker 1: five seed and play San Diego. Then the Diamondbacks are

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Speaker 1: sitting at home right now in Arizona, will fly to Philly,

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Speaker 1: our fly to Milwaukee to play the Brewers in the NLDS.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be the Brewers, the Mets, or the Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is how they set up there.

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Speaker 2: Pitching.

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Speaker 1: The Braves are pitching Spencer Schwellenbach in Game one. The

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Speaker 1: Mets are pitching Tyler McGill. The Braves are holding back

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Speaker 1: Chris Sale to pitch Game two if needed, and now

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Speaker 1: obviously if they don't need it, they'll hold him and

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Speaker 1: have him pitch.

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Speaker 2: Game one of the Division Series. What do you guys

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Speaker 2: think of the setup today?

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Speaker 3: Gonna be some gonna be some musty TV. There'll be

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of intensity. I remember what

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Speaker 3: I was a kid the Red Sox in seventy eight,

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Speaker 3: the Red Sox and Yankees had a one game playoff.

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Speaker 3: The Red Sox blew a fourteen game lead. They had

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Speaker 3: a fourteen game lead in July, and they played that

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Speaker 3: one game playoff in uh in seventy eight, and I

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Speaker 3: And uh, but you know the intensity that game still

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Speaker 3: goes down as one of the greatest ever, that special

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Speaker 3: playoff game of the Bucky Dent game.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right, And so you know you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have like two of them today. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So what happens, Like, so, if you're the if you

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Speaker 1: you win game one, okay, say you're the Braves, in

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Speaker 1: game two, you pull back Chris Sale.

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Speaker 2: And you're throwing all your.

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Speaker 4: Arizona's going no, yeah, you're right, you're right. But there

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Speaker 4: is a rule MLB that you know, throws a rule

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Speaker 4: out there that says, you know, you do have to

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Speaker 4: do everything you possibly can to win a base ball game.

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Speaker 4: Now within reason, obviously, they want to put themselves in

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Speaker 4: the right position going forward into the playoffs. It's going

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Speaker 4: to be amazing to watch this thing developed. What was

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Speaker 4: it a few years back when there was about five

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Speaker 4: games that had an impact on the very last game

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Speaker 5: I think Tampa Bay was part of that.

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Speaker 4: I think the third Basement in Longoria hit a big

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Speaker 4: of games. What was that about four or five years ago?

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Speaker 4: Maybe longer?

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Speaker 1: Well, are you thinking about twenty eleven when, yeah, that was.

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Speaker 5: Was that twenty eleven?

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Speaker 3: That was the game? That was the night in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: We're watching that the night the Phillies season ended. They

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Speaker 3: won their one hundred and second game, and we were

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Speaker 3: all standing on the TV and Longoria dunks went over

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Speaker 3: the left field wall.

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Speaker 4: And that's right. I watch two and realized it was

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Speaker 3: Oh, my red socks lost in Camden Yards like many

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Speaker 3: like pappal Bond gave it up, gave it up.

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Speaker 5: That's right, pat gave it up that year, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was not I can still see the video

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Speaker 3: image of Francona pulling the lineup off the wallet cam

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Speaker 3: New Yards, dung out and walking down the steps. That's right,

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Speaker 3: Papa band gave it up on a hit to left

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Speaker 3: field and they couldn't make a playoff. That was a

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Speaker 3: wild night. And that was the night John Mayberry came

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Speaker 3: out of the shower and goes, what happened happened?

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Speaker 2: I do remember that. That was very funny.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's going nuts and he's like, totally totally the list

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Speaker 1: about what happened, what happened in that game, But that

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Speaker 1: will be fun. And then I mean, yeah, if you're

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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks, and I know what you said, Rubin, like

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Speaker 1: you want both teams to play the game, and they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to play the game, but you have no incentive

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Speaker 1: to win game two if you win game one, you

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Speaker 1: have none.

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Speaker 4: You really don't. And you know, they sort of brought

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Speaker 4: this on themselves. I mean, the fact of the matter

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Speaker 4: is they probably could have played this game somewhere else, right,

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Speaker 4: they decided, Hey, guess what, we're gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's why it's one hundred and sixty two games.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about a couple of different things

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Speaker 5: Let's just go with rugs. Runs scored, they were Phillies

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Speaker 4: The ranking the ranking in the first half was fourth.

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Speaker 4: The Phillies in the first half were at two seventy one,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's why there's some.

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Speaker 1: They've seen a lot of like little warning signs here

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Speaker 1: And this is the point where there where Rob Thompson's

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Speaker 1: But that, But but the other night when he pitched

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Speaker 5: Something's wrong. I don't know what it is. Something, something's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree, we've said this for now

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Speaker 4: It's someone said throughout a stat yesterday that I read.

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Speaker 4: Since twenty eighteen, exclusive of twenty twenty, he's the only

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Speaker 5: I mean, dude, that's something. And I know there was

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Speaker 4: I understand the marketplace, and they may end up regreting in.

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Speaker 5: The last you know, two or three years. But here's

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Speaker 5: a guy who still posts up.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's pretty amazing what he's done as far as

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Speaker 4: posting up and being able to throw quality in.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of this Ranger thing, it's I don't think I'm

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Speaker 3: being dramatic or even overstating it to say potentially life

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Speaker 3: changing for him. This this this drop off and because

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Speaker 3: you know, you're probably looking at a winter where, you know,

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Speaker 3: if he continues that season through six months or even

447
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Speaker 3: five months, has a little little dip but gets it back.

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Speaker 3: You're probably looking at them a year before free agency

449
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Speaker 3: doing something to lock him up for a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: And now I would think that's not a conversation they're

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Speaker 3: probably going to enter. They're probably going to want to

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Speaker 3: see a lot.

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Speaker 2: More great point.

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Speaker 1: We've been getting asked about that a lot, you know

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Speaker 1: from listeners and Rangers Wars contract extension.

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Speaker 2: I would not even think about it.

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Speaker 1: If I was the Phillies right now going to this offseason,

458
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Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want to see one more year.

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Speaker 1: There's absolutely be crazy. You kind of be crazy to

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Speaker 1: go for long term extent.

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Speaker 5: And the Phillies and the Phillies aren't afraid to pay.

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Speaker 4: I mean if they see the performance right comes back

463
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Speaker 4: and he takes care of himself, and you know, they

464
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Speaker 4: know the guy as well as anybody, and it comes

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Speaker 4: back and really performs and you know has a you know,

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Speaker 4: cy young type year the next year, then they'll pay.

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Speaker 3: What would you like if if I was a GM,

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Speaker 3: I might say, you know, after the season, take a

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Speaker 3: few weeks off, then you go camp out and cliar

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Speaker 3: Water and you camp out in cliar water and with

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Speaker 3: the conditioning staff and you know, you get in great

472
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Speaker 3: tip top shape and you know come to camp ready

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Speaker 3: to have six strong months.

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Speaker 4: He would be a guy that I would have a

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Speaker 4: nice long talking to after the season, which I have

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Speaker 4: done in the past with other with other players when

477
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Speaker 4: they have underachieved. And not just okay players, really great players,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's every once in a while they.

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Speaker 5: Need to hear it from people.

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Speaker 2: Guys, let's talk Philly of the Week.

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Speaker 1: We're all sporting our Shy gear as always. In The

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Speaker 1: postseason is beginning Saturday, So run over to Shibe and

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Speaker 1: get some fresh gear for the postseason, right Jimmy, eh,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, get your gear era.

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Speaker 2: So guys, let Philly the Week. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't the best week.

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Speaker 2: For the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: They clinched on well, it was a great week. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they clinched on Tuesday. The NL East on Tuesday. They

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Speaker 1: clinched first round by on Wednesday. But the weekend in

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Speaker 1: DC was not that great. So season's over, the regular

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Speaker 1: seasons over. Let's do Philly the week Let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: go big picture, big picture. Let's talk Team MVP CY

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Speaker 1: young Fireman of the Year. That's reliever for those young

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Speaker 1: kids listening. When I was a kid, it was Fireman

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Speaker 1: of the Year because they put out fires.

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Speaker 2: Uh, team MVP. This is interesting. Now I have an actual.

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Speaker 1: MVP vote BBW a MVP vote, and there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: gotta be a Philly maybe two on that list. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea where I'm going to put him yet.

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Speaker 1: I have not finalized my list. Who was the team

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Speaker 1: MVP in your guys mind, Let's start with Jim.

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Speaker 2: Let go Jim.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a very tough call. It is. I

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Speaker 3: would go with Zach Wheeler. I'm just trying to think of,

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Speaker 3: you know, if Heaven forbid, if I lost Zach Wheeler,

511
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Speaker 3: where would this team be? So, you know, conversely, having him,

512
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Speaker 3: where is this team? I just I just think he

513
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Speaker 3: had a great season and I think he's someone you

514
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Speaker 3: can really depend on as a rock in the rotation.

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Speaker 3: You know what you're gonna get every fifth day. He's

516
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Speaker 3: incredibly dependable, and he backed it up with great numbers,

517
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Speaker 3: great performances, so strong down the stretches. I remember, he's

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Speaker 3: my MVP. I perished the thought of thinking what this

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Speaker 3: team would be without him.

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Speaker 1: So, Jim, are you you you've done sy Young votes

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Speaker 1: and m VP votes bbw A in the past. Are

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Speaker 1: you a guy that has put a picture on the

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Speaker 1: m v P A ballot Because some people won't.

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Speaker 2: Do that, I would, I would, Okay, I think you.

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Speaker 3: Look at the job Sale did for that team down

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Speaker 3: there and Atlanta this year. I think he would. He

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Speaker 3: would deserve to be you knowall somewhere. But uh I,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember if I've ever put a picture. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure I have, though I'm sure I have somewhere along

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Speaker 3: the line. Was did Gane win the m v P

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Speaker 3: one year? I think he did?

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Speaker 5: Yermo Hernandez won the m v P one year, Willie.

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Speaker 3: He did? Signed by your father right?

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Speaker 5: Yes, he was really original, Philly. I think he got

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Speaker 5: traded for John Walking Puss.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think he did. But I wouldn't have any reservations.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I know you wait, things differently

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Speaker 3: for a guy who's on the field every day. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to see that in the National

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Speaker 3: League Rookie of the Year voting with the kid from

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Speaker 3: San Diego Merrill and uh. But for me, Zach Wheeler,

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Speaker 3: I can you know, imagine this team being where they

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Speaker 3: you know, you look what you mentioned. They kind of

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Speaker 3: won this division in the first half. And if that's

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Speaker 3: the case, and I agree, they did it on the

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Speaker 3: backs of their starting rotation, and he is the pillar

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Speaker 3: on which his starting rotation is built. So he would

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Speaker 3: be my team MVP. Hey, Harper right there with him,

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Speaker 3: right there with him. You know, you win Player of

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Speaker 3: the Month twice, that's something. Schwarber right there with him.

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Speaker 3: You lead off what fourteen games with home runs and

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Speaker 3: you win thirteen of them. That's value. And you look

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Speaker 3: at the season he had. The three guys I think

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Speaker 3: you could you can't go wrong with. But I probably

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Speaker 3: would would go Wheeler.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Todd Well, I would go Harper only because

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Speaker 1: you know, I when I do the MVP vote for

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Speaker 1: the BBWA, I usually try to keep pitchers off because

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Speaker 1: they have their own own award. But I understand what

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Speaker 1: you're saying Jim, But I would go Harper just because

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Speaker 1: of his consistency. I know he had that long stretch

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Speaker 1: without a home run mid season with the elbow and

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Speaker 1: the wrist stuff, but he was an l Player of

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Speaker 1: the Month in May and in June. His numbers are

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Speaker 1: right there at the end over thirty home runs. Man,

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Speaker 1: you take him out of that lineup, it's a completely

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Speaker 1: different lineup.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: But Kyle Schwarber, that's the other guy that you sit

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Speaker 1: there and you go, Man, he's so steady at the

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Speaker 1: top of the lineup, and he means so much to

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Speaker 1: this team. You take him out of that leadoff spot.

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Speaker 1: Who hits leadoff? You know it's big, it's big. But

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Speaker 1: I would go Bryce Harper as my team MVP. What

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Speaker 1: about you, Reuben?

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad you guys went first because mine mine

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Speaker 4: is Kyle Schwarber. And I'm going to tell you why

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Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber is the MVP for me. Here's a guy

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Speaker 4: who hit under two hundred last year. He decided to

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Speaker 4: change his approach hit fifty points higher this season. Fifty

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Speaker 4: Think about this for a second, five zero points better

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Speaker 4: he had Probably he was north another like twenty five

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Speaker 4: or thirty on his own base percentage. He didn't hit

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Speaker 4: as many home runs, but his run production was even

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Speaker 4: better this year than it was last year. I do

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Speaker 4: run production, I do Harbie is plus runs home runs

587
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Speaker 4: divided by games played or games started, and his run

588
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Speaker 4: production numbers were even better this year even though we

589
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Speaker 4: had less home runs. So this is guy's producing more

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Speaker 4: runs pretty much than anybody on that ball club. And

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Speaker 4: I just feel like.

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Speaker 5: He brings so much more to the table than just

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Speaker 5: his numbers.

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Speaker 4: Ability to one be a great leader in the clubhouse,

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Speaker 4: to be sort of a spokesman for the team. I

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Speaker 4: know Harper talks a lot, He's an important piece of it.

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Speaker 4: But and the fact that he you know again, I

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Speaker 4: know he's a d H, but is basically did it

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Speaker 4: because it's the best thing for the team. His body

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Speaker 4: doesn't and probably would have broken down had he been

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Speaker 4: playing in the outfield, not a great outfielder, and I

602
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Speaker 4: think it just made the team overall better ball club.

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Speaker 4: And he just brings so much to the table on

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Speaker 4: the daily basis on the daily and listen, I get

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Speaker 4: it about Harper and I get it about a Wheeler

606
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Speaker 4: as well. I love them both as players. But for me,

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Speaker 4: it's Kyle Schwarer because he brings so much more to

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Speaker 4: the to the to the table than just his numbers

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Speaker 4: and his ability to communicate with the players in the

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Speaker 4: lineup after his at bats, and and his knowledge on.

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Speaker 5: The you know, in the dugout in the clubhouse. I

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Speaker 5: think there's just so much that he brings to the

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Speaker 5: table that he's my MVP this year.

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Speaker 3: I am fully in agreement with both of you guys

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Speaker 3: on all of the great things that each of the

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Speaker 3: player you have chosen brings to the table the season

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Speaker 3: they've had. I mean agreement. You can't go wrong on

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Speaker 3: any of those three guys. And we did not communicate

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Speaker 3: no different guys. I think it's awesome. We had three

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Speaker 3: different viewpoints. Yeah, that is great everyone, every one of us,

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Speaker 3: I think is illustrated. Why you know, the guy we

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Speaker 3: picked could be the m v P and that's that's

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Speaker 3: just some great stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, think about who brought it.

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Speaker 4: He's just one of these guys in I basically gave

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Speaker 4: Middleton the Harper piece.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's Middleton. I got to give the U. I

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Speaker 5: got to give the Wheeler piece to.

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Speaker 4: To clintac right, and then David Mobrowski's got to get shorter.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you start thinking about what it takes to

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Speaker 4: have this kind of team, and if they end up

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Speaker 4: winning the World Series, you know, people going to say, well,

633
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Speaker 4: you know, it was Dave Dombrowski and it was just that,

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Speaker 4: and well no, not really, it was pretty much everybody.

635
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Speaker 4: Just like when got Pat Gillick was the GM of

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Speaker 4: the of the Phillies in two thousand and eight, it

637
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Speaker 4: was Ed Wade prior to him bringing a lot of

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Speaker 4: the you know, pieces of the puzzle together. And I think,

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Speaker 4: you know a lot of people get credit for this

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Speaker 4: stuff and a lot of people should.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jim, we talk about how we all have three

642
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Speaker 1: different answers for m v P. I mean we talk

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Speaker 1: about Team cy Young. Everybody's gonna say Zach is anybody

644
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Speaker 1: gonna go out on a limb and say somebody other

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Speaker 1: than Zach Wheeler.

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Speaker 5: Well, someone could. I mean there's a couple of m

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Speaker 5: viewers that could that could.

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Speaker 1: Jump too, but I mean Zach Wheeler, yeah, gosh, it's

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Speaker 1: not even yeah. The really the only question, so we

650
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Speaker 1: always say Zach Wheelers as Team cy Young. My question,

651
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Speaker 1: the only question I have is can he edge out

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Speaker 1: Chris Sale. And what I am wondering is do the

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Speaker 1: voters all wait until after today to send in their vote.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some of them, by you know, just might

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Speaker 1: have instinct, you know, instinctively. I guess sent it in

656
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Speaker 1: today before the game. But if what happens if Chris

657
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: Sale goes out in Game two and spits the bit.

658
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Speaker 1: Chris Sale has not pitched since September nineteenth.

659
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Speaker 3: And that's a regular season game that should be.

660
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Speaker 1: A regular season game. He only lasted five innings in

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Speaker 1: that start.

662
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Speaker 2: His vila was the way down. What if he pitches Game.

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Speaker 1: Two today and gets rocked against the Mets in a

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Speaker 1: game that you know that the Braves need to win,

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Speaker 1: that could affect the voting, you know. Regardless, I think

666
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Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler has has made a strong case for nl

667
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Speaker 1: SI young like the Phillies. The Phillies yesterday sent out

668
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Speaker 1: this kind of like big long email pdf tweet. They

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Speaker 1: also sent it out as a tweet on some of

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Speaker 1: the Some of the numbers et zachly are. The one

671
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Speaker 1: that really jumped out at me was Wheeler faced three

672
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine right handed hitters this year and

673
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Speaker 1: held them to a four to thirty four ops over

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Speaker 1: the last fifty years. That's the second lowest ops against

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Speaker 1: right handed hitters. Max Scherzer had a four to twenty

676
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Speaker 1: five ops against righties in twenty seventeen when he won

677
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Speaker 1: a second consecutive NL sy Young. I mean, he flat

678
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Speaker 1: out freaking dominated right.

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Speaker 2: Handed hitters as well as a lot of other hitters too.

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Speaker 1: But Jim you mentioned also earlier levin straight starts to

681
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Speaker 1: finish the season two or fewer runs.

682
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Speaker 2: What a strong finish. What a strong finish on.

683
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Speaker 1: A team that desperately needed it because Ranger was bad

684
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Speaker 1: and the number five starter spot was a disaster. Can

685
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Speaker 1: you imagine if Zach was kind of like up and

686
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Speaker 1: down going into the bow season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sign of a thorough when they get

688
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Speaker 3: stronger down the stretch, and that guy's a thoroughbred.

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Speaker 4: Totally, totally, guys, I'm super passionate about this one.

690
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 5: I think he got soft in twenty twenty one.

691
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Speaker 4: It's just not the right thing. It was just not

692
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: the right thing for him to have lost that. And

693
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Speaker 4: I do believe in length and consistency and bulk, and

694
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: in this situation, because you talk about it, horses, a

695
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: horse is a horse. This guy was an absolute horse.

696
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 4: I mean he's posted up, he pitched every time in

697
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Speaker 4: his rotation.

698
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: Basically he pitched.

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Speaker 4: You know, the quality start numbers, the quality against the

700
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Speaker 4: toughest teams in the league numbers. I mean, there's just

701
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: so many factors that I hope that people who make

702
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: this decision Todd no disrespect, but sometimes they're not informed

703
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 4: enough and they just look at the numbers and they say, Okay, strikeouts.

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Speaker 5: He has a lot of strikeouts, a.

705
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Speaker 4: Ton of this, And well, if you don't post up,

706
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Speaker 4: if you don't bring those quality innings, those a number

707
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Speaker 4: of innings, you don't have the quality starts. Then I

708
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Speaker 4: just feel like this. And I love Chris Saleman. I

709
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: love the way he competes, I love the story. Let

710
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: him have the comeback player of the Year, no no

711
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: brainer for me. But for as far as the cy

712
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 4: Young is concerned, and I know I'm biased because I

713
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: know this guy and I've seen him develop, But if

714
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: you look deeper inside the numbers, this man is a

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Speaker 4: cy Young winner and should win it.

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Speaker 1: Zach Zach Wheeler through twenty right now as of today,

717
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: twenty two and a third more innings in Chris Sale

718
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Speaker 1: that's about three and a half more starts.

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Speaker 5: That's three and a half more starts. I mean, think

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Speaker 5: about when he lost us to con Berns. It was

721
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Speaker 5: like fifty innings.

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Speaker 3: It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was insane it Yeah, totally totally agree with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of the numbers that the durability numbers

725
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Speaker 1: I think really jump up out of may. You know,

726
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: three and a half more starts than Chris sale By

727
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Speaker 1: innings pitched, and just the fact that his ear is

728
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: right there with him. He's right there in strikeouts, he's

729
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Speaker 1: right there and wins. You know, he's he's right there

730
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Speaker 1: in a lot of those stats. So you know, Zach Wheeler,

731
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Speaker 1: for me, what about fireman of the year, who's your

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00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: reliever of the year?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, guys, and a tough one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. I mean you really look.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm gonna go out and say Jeff Hoffman because

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00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: again and listen, he was fantastic and he's pitch pitching

737
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Speaker 4: in in situations that are a little bit tighter. I

738
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Speaker 4: think that little bit further back in the game than

739
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Speaker 4: than his strom Strom was outstanding. But I mean, to me,

740
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Speaker 4: Jeff Bockam was just stellar. I mean, one bad outing.

741
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Speaker 4: He would have won the e r A race and

742
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Speaker 4: the team had he not had that one bad outing.

743
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Speaker 5: He was right.

744
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: I mean it jumped up to like two point one

745
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: or something, some ridiculous number. He's been outstanding and his

746
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: story is a great one as well. Uh for him

747
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: to go from you know, being a first round her

748
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: and really sort of a failed starter, and then getting

749
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 4: the opportunity last year to come back and pitch for

750
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: the Phillies and and bearing down and become the guy

751
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: that he is.

752
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: I think I think the story is great. I think

753
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 5: the performance was phenomenal.

754
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: People just sort of take it for granted that he

755
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 4: was just out there for you know, flipping, flipping again

756
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: and he was pitching against probably the toughest guys in

757
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: the lineup.

758
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 5: Almost every time. And that's what al Rob Thompson will

759
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: work this during the course of the I believe will

760
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: work this during the course of the of the playoffs.

761
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: But I mean his number is his performance, his ability

762
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 4: to get strikeouts when he needs to.

763
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Speaker 5: I gotta go with Jepoffmann good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I could argue with you on Strom,

765
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: but like I said, I think they're both have been tremendous, Uh,

766
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: you know, throughout the whole season. So I can't really

767
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: pick one there. Maybe Hoffman by a nose, but Strom

768
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: that has had an awesome season too, the incredible performance

769
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: for this team.

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Speaker 1: Probably Yeah, Hoffman by a nose, Ruben, Like you said,

771
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Speaker 1: he did pitch in those later innings against the Bulk,

772
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, the meat of the lineup usually. But look

773
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Speaker 1: how close their seasons ended. Hoffman ere a two one seven,

774
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Speaker 1: Strom one eight seven. But like you said, Ruben, that

775
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Speaker 1: last appearance that Jeff d was not.

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Speaker 2: Good one six, one six five to two one seven.

777
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: That's that's so it just it killed him.

778
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Speaker 1: Whip Matt Strom point seventy five, Hoffman point nine six.

779
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Opponent batting average against Strom one sixty six, Hoffman one

780
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Speaker 1: nine seven.

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00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Uh walks very close.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: Strom had eleven walks and sixty two and two thirds

784
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: Hoffman sixty six and one thirds. He had sixteen walks.

785
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: So everything was right there at the end. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Jeff Hoffman gets the edge.

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Speaker 5: And let's he made himself some money, didn't he.

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00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's he's gonna be enough free agent

789
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: this year, man, and someone's gonna have to post up.

790
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's gonna be interesting. That's gonna be interesting.

791
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: See what Hoppen would you do, Rubio?

792
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: Oh, I would try to sign him to a two

793
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 5: year deal. But he's not going to take a two

794
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: year deal. He's going to take a three year deal.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be somewhere between, you know, twelve and

796
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Speaker 4: fifteen million dollars.

797
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: We were talking about this the other day.

798
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: Tough one, man, it's a tough one. You can't pay everybody.

799
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Speaker 3: We were talking about this the other day, Todd and I.

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00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 3: Somebody asked about Hoffman and I drew the comparison to J.

801
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Speaker 3: C Roumeiro. Both were released players. You brought in J.

802
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: C Romero. He pitched grade the postseason, and then he

803
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: became a free agent. It was a tough decision. I

804
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: think you had to actually kind of take the market

805
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: a little, a little upward and give him a three

806
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: year deal. It was a tough call. But this is

807
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: very similar to that, except it's going to be more

808
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: than what JC got.

809
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well a lot more, maybe triple.

810
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: The market was different then, oh.

811
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Speaker 5: Way different, way different.

812
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there is a little similarity. Reliefs guys, and

813
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: they've found great success here, became such an important part

814
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: of the team and you really needed him going forward.

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Speaker 3: It's a very.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, yeah, really really cool discussion.

817
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Speaker 1: So so this week, guys, we get the Braves Mets

818
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: doubleheader on Monday. We'll find out who they're playing. We've

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00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: got some cool shows planned this week. Last week we

820
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: taped an episode with Charles Barkley, who is a Phillies fan,

821
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: huge Phillies and he's also entertaining as hell.

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00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: So we talked with Charles. That episode is going to

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00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 2: come tomorrow.

824
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: I caught up with the Armantani brothers and and those

825
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: are the guys that put together this postgame mix playlist

826
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Speaker 1: that every Phailies fan that is that connects with this

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Speaker 1: team wants.

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Speaker 2: To know about.

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Speaker 1: So they put together that post game playoffs because one

830
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Speaker 1: of the things that connects this team with the fan

831
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Speaker 1: base is how these guys like to party.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of the music. And so I caught

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Speaker 2: up with those guys.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna run that this week and then later this week,

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Speaker 1: once we know who the Phillies are playing. It could happen,

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Speaker 1: you know, after game two or Game three of the

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Speaker 1: Wildcards here is we'll get together and then we'll come

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Speaker 1: back and will break down the series, the NL Division series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is?

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Speaker 5: Which is?

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Speaker 1: Begins Saturday? Game ones on Saturday. Game two is on Sunday.

842
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: And then they go on the road to wherever they

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00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: are going to play. It could be Milwaukee, could be Arizona,

844
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: could be New York.

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: How would how would Matt Breens say Saturday.

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00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: Say Saturday, Northeast Phillies.

847
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Matt Brains say.

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00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 5: Nothing nothing wrong with Northeast Philly.

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00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: No, nothing wrong at all, Nothing wrong at all?

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00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: What did they just say? All right, guys, we'll be

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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: back remember Charles Barkley, Armantwani Brothers. And then we'll be

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00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: back later this week to break down the n l DS.

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Speaker 5: That was fun. See you guys, Say Jim.

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