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Speaker 1: week's guest on the Tom's Talks podcast is a durable
Speaker 1: and consistent seventy Sixers ford from the mid nineties. Clarence
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon grew up one of thirteen children in a small
Speaker 1: town in Mississippi. He would go on to college at
Speaker 1: Southern miss becoming a three time Metro Conference Player of
Speaker 1: the Year and the only Golden Eagle to have his
Speaker 1: number retired. Dubbed by the Philadelphia Media, Baby Barkley, Weatherspoon
Speaker 1: missed only four games in his first four years and
Speaker 1: played all eighty two three times. And he was a
Speaker 1: pump banking double double machine. Let's hear from Spoon. Welcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of Tom's Talks. And here we're with
Speaker 1: another great former sixer, Clarence Weatherspoon. He spent six years
Speaker 1: with the seventy sixers in the mid nineties. And Spoon,
Speaker 1: great to have you you join us from Mississippi. Sounds
Speaker 1: like life. It's good you and your wife Hazel raised
Speaker 1: three great kids. And what's everything like for you right
Speaker 1: now as you're working through this pandemic and everything that's
Speaker 1: going on in our country. Well, you know, just trying
Speaker 1: to stay healthy and I stay blessed. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: my family is doing well, and uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like you say, with the COVID nineteen and all
Speaker 1: the social changes that that's in awareness to social changes
Speaker 1: that have been happening. So you know, you're just trying
Speaker 1: to just trying to stay healthy and uh you know,
Speaker 1: and and wishing everybody to uh, you know, to stay
Speaker 1: healthy and become more aware or what's happening. Uh, and
Speaker 1: what's going on right now, and there is quite a
Speaker 1: bit going on in our country. It seems like there's
Speaker 1: a huge moment and a huge movement for change. Growing
Speaker 1: up in a little town like Crawford, Mississippi, in the
Speaker 1: late seventies and in the eighties, what was that like
Speaker 1: for you? Well, you know, I think I got a
Speaker 1: chance to to to have an advantage. So I was
Speaker 1: the youngest of thirteen kids. So my older brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters they went through, uh you know, changing up, the
Speaker 1: segregation of schools, uh, the busing to schools and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I still a bus but growing up, I
Speaker 1: walked to our local elementary school, but doing high school.
Speaker 1: I was bus to a high school, so you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think about those things as a kid, but
Speaker 1: as you become grow and become an a notte, you
Speaker 1: see the difference in those things, and uh the difference
Speaker 1: and the educational level of educational opportunities and stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a process that I think our
Speaker 1: state has been working through and getting better and better.
Speaker 1: It's still changes that need to be made socially and
Speaker 1: and and and being more inclusive to everyone. Uh so,
Speaker 1: but I think, uh, you know, during that time, like
Speaker 1: I said, I was I was the youngest, so I
Speaker 1: had a chance to not experiences as much as my
Speaker 1: older siblings and stuff. But you know, you become aware.
Speaker 1: You know, you're catching a five thirty bus to be
Speaker 1: plus across town to a different different school and stuff.
Speaker 1: So high school so it's different. You notice the difference
Speaker 1: when you become an adult and you grow to become
Speaker 1: an adult for you to be back at your alma mater.
Speaker 1: You're the only player that's ever had their jersey retired
Speaker 1: with the Golden Eagles. Obviously a tremendous player, they're a
Speaker 1: Metro Conference Player of the Year at three times and
Speaker 1: now to be a part of the coaching staff and
Speaker 1: working with your son who's a player there, that must
Speaker 1: be special. Yeah, you know, getting a chance to go
Speaker 1: back to Southern Myths to be a part of the
Speaker 1: coaching staff and plus getting a chance to work with
Speaker 1: my son. It's been a great, great experience for me,
Speaker 1: you know, a learning experience. So you know this going
Speaker 1: into my fifth year old staffs so but you know
Speaker 1: it's exciting at the same time, you know, and and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just glad to be still around basketball, learning,
Speaker 1: teaching and just growing with the sport. And you work
Speaker 1: with him at Ridgeway High School. What's it like coaching
Speaker 1: your son, Well, you know, it's just like you know
Speaker 1: in any h anything else. You know, from pee wee
Speaker 1: all the way through. You know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: show favoritism anything anything like that. You just wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, try to instill the valuable work ethics and
Speaker 1: uh and and let him work through all the Kingston
Speaker 1: and growing growing pains, you know. But still on the
Speaker 1: other side, you're still a father. But you know you
Speaker 1: want to see your son or your children do you know,
Speaker 1: as well as possible. But you know, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a process, but you know it's enjoyable. But you know,
Speaker 1: getting a chance to work with him and all all
Speaker 1: our student athletes, it's you know, it's been a pleasure
Speaker 1: for them. And now I'm sure all that having been said,
Speaker 1: there's part in the back of your brain like, man,
Speaker 1: this is great. Look at my kid out there, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you must really enjoy it too, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the part that you're giving a
Speaker 1: chance to see him live out his dream and some
Speaker 1: of his experiences. So you know, uh, you know, one
Speaker 1: thing about this, it brings so much, you know, so
Speaker 1: much enjoyment to you. So for me getting a chance
Speaker 1: to see him, getting a chance to be out there,
Speaker 1: getting a chance to compete in, the chance to grow in,
Speaker 1: the chance to you know, just work through and becoming
Speaker 1: a young adot himself. You know, but the game of
Speaker 1: basketball allows you so many of those opportunities. Now, when
Speaker 1: you left Mississippi and Southern specifically, you were drafted ninth
Speaker 1: by the Sixers and traveling and moving to Philadelphia must
Speaker 1: have been quite a transition for you as a young man.
Speaker 1: What do you recall from that that move from being
Speaker 1: a college player, not only to the pros, but as
Speaker 1: I say, to a big Northeastern city like Philadelphia. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a learning process you
Speaker 1: had to go through, and uh, you know they're just
Speaker 1: getting just getting used to the interstate system, you know,
Speaker 1: all the ends and out of the system in there.
Speaker 1: But you know, once I got in early and I
Speaker 1: found found the home, found a place to stay. You know,
Speaker 1: I had traveled so much with international basketball and stuff,
Speaker 1: so I had You've been used to being in big,
Speaker 1: bigger cities of different places and stuff. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that with the staff and everybody to help
Speaker 1: with that transition, you know, after a month or so,
Speaker 1: it became became much smoother for me. So you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a great experience for me. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed my time with the Sixers, and I really enjoyed,
Speaker 1: you know, the city of Philadelphia and the Delaware Ever,
Speaker 1: so the Sixers had just traded Charles Barkley. The Philadelphia
Speaker 1: media before you even came to Philadelphia had dubbed you
Speaker 1: the Metro's barkleye the Metro Conference, and then when you
Speaker 1: got here, at times they referred to as Baby Barkley
Speaker 1: obviously that's a huge compliment and that Charles was one
Speaker 1: of the great players and talented players in NBA history.
Speaker 1: But what did you think of that nickname and how
Speaker 1: did you take to that? Well, you know, definitely, you
Speaker 1: know Charles, you know, was one of my role models
Speaker 1: growing up, coming up, coming from Mississippi. You know, you
Speaker 1: from Alabama, played at Album, so you had followed him,
Speaker 1: I had followed him all the way through. So getting
Speaker 1: a chance to come to Philly and follow him, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was a great respect and you a
Speaker 1: great challenge. But you know, one thing I tried to
Speaker 1: do earlier on was trying to establish myself as a player,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's the one thing the hardest thing
Speaker 1: in the world is to try to emulate or be
Speaker 1: someone else, especially trying to be a superstar winning superstars
Speaker 1: of the game. So you certainly did establish yourself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you average sixteen points a game as a rookie, and
Speaker 1: then in those second and third years you had you know,
Speaker 1: like seventy five double double statistically, very durable if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken. In your first four years three those first
Speaker 1: four years, you played all eighty two games and missed
Speaker 1: only four games. So you were there every night and
Speaker 1: you racked up numbers and both rebounding and scoring and
Speaker 1: contributed quite a bit. Is that how you remember it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, My thing was always to come out and
Speaker 1: play hard, give give one hundred percent effort, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy the game. You know, I enjoy playing
Speaker 1: the game. And uh you know, like I say, the
Speaker 1: city and the team and the organization that gave me opportunities.
Speaker 1: So my job to come in and tried to learn
Speaker 1: as much as I could from from the staffs and
Speaker 1: my teammates and play hard and play every night. And
Speaker 1: that's what I tried to do, to come out and
Speaker 1: be a consistent, solid, uh you know player, and uh
Speaker 1: you know, and I think I tried to do that
Speaker 1: every night. Right, So you're you're the first year I
Speaker 1: was here, twenty five years ago, Stackhouse was drafted and
Speaker 1: you played with Jerry John Lucas was the coach, and
Speaker 1: the team only won eighteen games. But the following year
Speaker 1: they drafted Iverson and the team had made the move
Speaker 1: for Derek Coleman the previous year, and now you got
Speaker 1: some talented players. Johnny Davis as the coach. I'm sure
Speaker 1: your shots went down a little bit with Allan and
Speaker 1: Jerry in terms of your field goal tims. But what
Speaker 1: do you remember from now mistaken el had been here
Speaker 1: your fourth year in the NBA. Well, you know, once
Speaker 1: you add uh, you know, talent to a to a team,
Speaker 1: and especially a talent like Jerry and uh and Uh
Speaker 1: Alan and you had traded for it, Like I said,
Speaker 1: DC and those guys, you know, the SHOT's gonna go down.
Speaker 1: But the thing about you know, how I looked at
Speaker 1: it was, you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 1: win and win big and you add talent, you got
Speaker 1: to diversify your game. You got to circrifice, you got
Speaker 1: to be a team player. And I think that's that
Speaker 1: was part of my makeup. You know, I wasn't worried
Speaker 1: about shots. I want to win games, you know, having
Speaker 1: the chance that win and that that was all what
Speaker 1: I was about, having the chance that winning. And you know,
Speaker 1: and you know Ai, all those guys, but Ai, especially Man.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed Alan and then being a part of
Speaker 1: that and you know, and I'm glad to see him,
Speaker 1: you know, down the line lead the team to a
Speaker 1: chance to play in the final. So you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know I was there at the beginning that I
Speaker 1: had of but you know, things work out different. But
Speaker 1: he eventually I did and you know, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: pulling for those guys get Alan, Like you obviously knew
Speaker 1: he was talented and being the number one pick out
Speaker 1: of Georgetown, but when you actually started playing with them
Speaker 1: and he started racking up numbers, did he opened your
Speaker 1: eyes a little bit? Well? You know, like I said,
Speaker 1: Alan showed that he was super tough, tough as nails,
Speaker 1: you know, uh for for for a smaller guard. You know,
Speaker 1: he had all the quickness, the ability and stuff, but
Speaker 1: he had a mindset that he's going to come out
Speaker 1: there every night and compete, get knocked down, push shove whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Alan was gonna gonna pop right back up
Speaker 1: and uh and bring it and bring it to you.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's what I enjoyed about it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, just being just watching that and
Speaker 1: watching his broth to be a super competitor. Always was
Speaker 1: a competitive but you know, like I said, for some
Speaker 1: the pounding and the stuff he went through his first
Speaker 1: couple of years in the league, you know, I think
Speaker 1: Alan set a tone for you know, for the league
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys because he was one of
Speaker 1: those young guys who took that whip and he took
Speaker 1: the physicality and showed that smaller guards can league teams.
Speaker 1: And now you look at the league, everybody got a
Speaker 1: little quick guys who turned and perform stand in the
Speaker 1: pain shooting three. So you know, I think Alan definitely
Speaker 1: was a trancesetter with that. We'll have more of my
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Speaker 1: Clarence Weatherspoon. People probably forget and you would seem to
Speaker 1: be an unlikely candidate, but you were in the dunk competition.
Speaker 1: The year was nineteen ninety three. Harold Minor, the lefty
Speaker 1: out of Miami who went to Southern cal won the
Speaker 1: dunk competition. That must have been a pretty cool experience
Speaker 1: at All Star Weekend. Yeah, you know, getting a chance
Speaker 1: to go to All Star Weekend, especially you know as
Speaker 1: as as a rookie and uh going there and seeing
Speaker 1: all the All Stars is something that you describe to.
Speaker 1: But I think that was doing the fifteen the anniversary,
Speaker 1: I think also with some of the greatest players in
Speaker 1: the history of basketball was there in South Lake City,
Speaker 1: So you know, it was a great experience, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just one of those situations where you
Speaker 1: just see it and you see the history and all
Speaker 1: the greatness that was there at that time. And and
Speaker 1: then getting a chance to compete at the in the
Speaker 1: dunk contest, you know that that was that was that
Speaker 1: a big moment for him. That's probably pretty cool. So
Speaker 1: then Larry Brown takes over and he tried to trade
Speaker 1: you in the off season to Boston. It didn't work
Speaker 1: out because the player Roger didn't pass his field physical.
Speaker 1: Eventually you get traded to the Warriors, and then you
Speaker 1: started another part of your career, if you will. Golden
Speaker 1: State Miami Cleveland, the Knicks. How did that last part,
Speaker 1: the second part of your career and out from your perspective, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think it you know, it wasn't really
Speaker 1: good for me because, like I say, when coach Brown
Speaker 1: came in, it was it was it was a situation
Speaker 1: where he was building the team, putting fits and pieces together,
Speaker 1: and like I say, as you see they went on
Speaker 1: and had a chance to play for world championships, so
Speaker 1: you know, you know, definitely a veteran coach that was building.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, that's part of sports. You know,
Speaker 1: guys put pieces that anything fit and do. But with
Speaker 1: me being traded out the Golden State, he gave me
Speaker 1: a chance to play on the West Coast to see
Speaker 1: different styles and and teams more often. But it also
Speaker 1: was doing a free agent year, so it gave me
Speaker 1: a chance to be a free agent and choose where
Speaker 1: you want to get a chance to play and go
Speaker 1: and uh and I chose to go down to Miami
Speaker 1: and U and that was my first playoff experience. So
Speaker 1: like I say, that led to having a playoff situation
Speaker 1: in Houston at the end. So uh, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what you want to do coming into the league. You
Speaker 1: want to develop as a player. You want to be
Speaker 1: a good player, you want to be a consistent player.
Speaker 1: But every player would tell you he want a chance
Speaker 1: to play in the playoff because that is the biggest
Speaker 1: stage for the NBA. And you know, playing for World
Speaker 1: Championship is the ultimate, ultimate opportunity. So you know, I think,
Speaker 1: uh I got a chance to do that my later
Speaker 1: years of my career. So you know, I think everything
Speaker 1: worked out for me and and I was extreamly proud
Speaker 1: of my career and happy I had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: play in the game playoffs. Spoon, you were for your position,
Speaker 1: forward and undersized player, and you were known in many respects.
Speaker 1: One of my former uh, well, I love chat Walker
Speaker 1: when he played both here in Philadelphia and for the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls. But you used a series of pump bakes,
Speaker 1: and you had to be crafty because you scored the ball.
Speaker 1: Not everybody can score double figures on a routine basis,
Speaker 1: like you did. Speak to that and try to you know,
Speaker 1: trick the opposition and using all those pump bakes to
Speaker 1: get your shots off. Well, you know, from from from
Speaker 1: high school all the way through college, you know, I
Speaker 1: was I was learning to play in traffic, and so
Speaker 1: when you play in traffic is angles, pump fakes, quickness
Speaker 1: and explosion. But once I got you got the Philly,
Speaker 1: you know, I just worked with that within my game.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, he was able to
Speaker 1: learn and continue to learn to play in space. So
Speaker 1: when your career ended, you got into us producing a
Speaker 1: little bit and tell me a little bit more about
Speaker 1: that aspect as you began to begin life after basketball.
Speaker 1: Well it started, uh when I signed with the Nicks
Speaker 1: as as a free agent, you know, being in New York,
Speaker 1: you around, Uh that's you know the entertainment Meca. You know,
Speaker 1: with with with entertainment music, so you made a lot
Speaker 1: of contacts and stuff and never a lot of new
Speaker 1: people and stuff. So uh during that time, you know music,
Speaker 1: uh guys, rappers, seniors, artists and stuff. So he gave
Speaker 1: me another idea of you know, coming back when I
Speaker 1: got retired and uh you know retired, He gave me,
Speaker 1: you know, some ideas and stuff. And anytime you see
Speaker 1: guys who who working and having a chance and half talent,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they don't have their resources or the outlet
Speaker 1: and sort the contact. So you know, um, once I retired,
Speaker 1: I had more free time to talk and meet with guys.
Speaker 1: And what I end up happening, I was able to
Speaker 1: put those guys in the right places and put them
Speaker 1: in front of means and contacts, and then we end
Speaker 1: them having a couple of songs that start generating buzz
Speaker 1: in the South and encounter kept going from there. Now
Speaker 1: I circle back to your career for a little bit
Speaker 1: because I just remember in our times traveling together, you
Speaker 1: were a nervous flyer, right did that make it a
Speaker 1: little difficult to travel in the NBA for as long
Speaker 1: as you did? Well, you know, you had to get
Speaker 1: used to it. Just say, you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: moving to the East Coast. You have to get used
Speaker 1: to it, you know, coming from you know, from from
Speaker 1: Southern Miths and our conference we flew, but you know
Speaker 1: it's nothing like eighty two games schedule in half of
Speaker 1: those games is on the road. So you're either gonna
Speaker 1: be flying, uh, you know two or three times a
Speaker 1: week is in different situations. So but you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, as I got older and stuff you got,
Speaker 1: I got more comfortable with it. But you know, starting out,
Speaker 1: you know, being on being on that many different flights
Speaker 1: and constantly on flight going and catching flace. You know,
Speaker 1: it was. It was something I had to get used to.
Speaker 1: One of the other things we did. Because the nets
Speaker 1: were still in the meadow lands. We often, almost always,
Speaker 1: unless we were coming from someplace else, we bust up
Speaker 1: there and we would stop and sell Philadelphia for pizza
Speaker 1: and hogis, and the late Lenny Oaks would be putting
Speaker 1: sodas and all that stuff on the bus. Remember you
Speaker 1: and I were there once and all that were left
Speaker 1: for chips. And it seems in the granted you traveled
Speaker 1: on as you said, chartered aircraft, but sometimes it was
Speaker 1: much smaller than that. Uh, like I said, loading up
Speaker 1: with pizza and hogies from South Philadelphia, Oh definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing up some some some good farm memories
Speaker 1: of uh you know, the staff and travel you know,
Speaker 1: I would, like I say, meaning right there, exit four
Speaker 1: and the Turnpike, jumping on the bus, ending up to
Speaker 1: the Middle Lands, end up to New York for games
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, that was good times and stuff.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Lenny was one of those guys
Speaker 1: I was real fun of and all and all those
Speaker 1: guys that um you know in a uh that was
Speaker 1: part of the staff at that time. So you know,
Speaker 1: like I say, it was a great experience for me
Speaker 1: coming from a little small town, Mississippi, but getting the
Speaker 1: chance to be on the East coast right there in Philly, Jersey,
Speaker 1: New York area. So you know, it was it was,
Speaker 1: it was a great experience for And now that you're
Speaker 1: back in Mississippi to be in basketball and to be
Speaker 1: you know, college basketball with your team, that must be
Speaker 1: pretty special at this phase of your life. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a new challenge, but it's an exciting challenge.
Speaker 1: You want to you want to try. You know, when
Speaker 1: we was there, we had really good teams. You know,
Speaker 1: we had two really good matchups with the South. One
Speaker 1: year they beat the South for the in T Championship
Speaker 1: in New York, and the next year up in the
Speaker 1: u NCAA tournament. Uh you know, Uh, Doug and Lino
Speaker 1: and those guys, they they got revenge on us and
Speaker 1: they handed to us in the NCAA tournament. So you know,
Speaker 1: it just it was just one of those situations where
Speaker 1: you know, it just worked out that way, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, now you want to get back to that level.
Speaker 1: You want you know, just working and UH recruit, trying
Speaker 1: to get guys to again tell the story that you
Speaker 1: know you can win at Southern Missing and UH and
Speaker 1: have that excitement and playing on the biggest stage. So
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's the part I like doing. One
Speaker 1: of the other things you did is you had basketball
Speaker 1: camps over the span of a dozen years in both
Speaker 1: Brazil and Germany, taking the game to other parts of
Speaker 1: the world. What was that experience like, well, again it
Speaker 1: was it was based off friendships in UH in contacts.
Speaker 1: So again, like I said, Tournai Leo he Um, he
Speaker 1: introduced UH myself and UH him and Fred Fred Carter
Speaker 1: was going over. So you know, they asked me what I,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to get involved with it, and I
Speaker 1: end up liking that, you know, and it gave me
Speaker 1: a chance to take my family on trips and stuff
Speaker 1: and show them different parts of other world. Again, like
Speaker 1: I say, basketball being a blessing and so many ways.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think Tony had family or wife
Speaker 1: and stuff was from that from Europe and stuff. So
Speaker 1: when he gave me the opportunity, you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, I jumped on it and UH and uh,
Speaker 1: and it just lasted for you know, ten or twelve
Speaker 1: years of doing basketball clinics in Europe and I was
Speaker 1: able to go to Brazil taking the Brazil and stuff.
Speaker 1: So they kept me, uh you know involved with basketball
Speaker 1: and kept the fire basketball burning even though I was
Speaker 1: doing different things, you know, traveling uh international with the
Speaker 1: game gave me a chance to stay involved. Man, you
Speaker 1: follow the NBA right now, What do you think of
Speaker 1: the Sixers with Indeed and Simmons and Harrison company. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew being I meant being uh down
Speaker 1: in ban Rouge and stuff and uh so, and but
Speaker 1: I think the process as they was calling it, that
Speaker 1: the Sixers went through that situation and like you said,
Speaker 1: getting draft picks and getting pieces and I think now
Speaker 1: it's in turn where they got guys who fit a
Speaker 1: lot better and uh definitely and being in Joel it
Speaker 1: was a it was a big part of that. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think they've had great pieces through trades
Speaker 1: and the draft, and I think they really got a
Speaker 1: chance that they can stick together and grow and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, because the Eastern Conference it's competitive, but you know,
Speaker 1: with those guys being so young, I think they got
Speaker 1: a window where they really can uh push push the
Speaker 1: threshold in the East's food. It's great to see. I
Speaker 1: so much appreciate your time. I wish you the best
Speaker 1: and thank you for being a part of the podcast.
Speaker 1: All right. Thanks for having me to bringing break old
Speaker 1: memories and uh again it's uh you know, it's always
Speaker 1: been a pleasure and uh you know, to be a
Speaker 1: part of the seventy sixties family and organization. So again,
Speaker 1: thanks for having Thanks for listening to Times Talks with
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