1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I Am all in Again. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: Oh, let's guess you. 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast. 4 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, take a big whiff of that. That 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: is pop culture. Baby. Hi, my name is Easton Allen. 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: You just heard Scott Patterson say that name a few 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: seconds ago. This is the I Smell pop Culture podcast 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: on I Am All In Again and iHeart Radio Production 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: one eleven Productions all that other stuff. Hey, everybody, how 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: you doing. We're having a lot of fun here and 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, this is what we do. 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: We take the pop culture references that are just peppered 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: and scattered throughout Gilmore Girls, and we dissect them. We 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: distill them, and we talk to the people that made 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: them things. We talk to the people that made them 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: pop culture moments. We're talking to a big one today 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: that I will reveal to you in just a second. 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what the pop culture reference 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: is if you want to fire it up on Netflix, Hulu, 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: start TV, wherever you watch gil More Girls. We're going 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: back to season two, episode one. This is Sadie. Sadie. Now, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: just to set the stage, Lorelei is considering getting engaged 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: to Max. At this point he hasn't officially asked her, 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: but she's discussing it. And in this part of the 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: episode where our pop culture reference of doujour occurs, Dean 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: is coming over to Rory and Laurele's house and Laura's 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: on the phone with Max. They're talking about potentially getting engaged. 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: She hangs up the phone and Dean asks Loura, so, 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: what's the movie for tonight? And Loralai says, oh, my god, 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: a classic, and Rory says, the Joan and Melissa Rivers 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: story starring and LORELEI finished those air sentence Joan and 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers a mother and daughter torn apart by tragedy. 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Rory and Lauray kind of trade off here with suicide 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: not getting it's night show, me and boyfriends identical noses. 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Rory says, you'll laugh, you'll cry, and the Laura I says, 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: because it'll be laughing so hard it'll be an evening 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: to remember. Then Loralai finishes and says, in a pivotal 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: scene where a very distraught Joan gets locked out of 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: high holiday services because she's late, I will be forced 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: to rewind it and play it over and over about 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: four thousand times, and then Rory says he'll never be 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: the same before walking off a very excited moment. They're 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: clearly huge fans of this Jonah Melissa Rivers movie. And 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: in case you want to watch along with our friends 45 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Rory and Laurli and Dean, the movie is actually titled 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Tears in Laughter the Jonah Melissa river Story. It came 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety four. I watched it on YouTube. 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: You can do the same. Here's the thing about this movie. 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Rory and Lorali act like it's they're like making fun 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: of it. It's clearly a like kind of kitchy like 51 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: fun to make fun of thing like you watch it ironically. 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I fired this bad boy up and I was ready. 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I was ready to just laugh it up, to have 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: some yucks over here. And what I found instead was 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: a sincerely touching, emotional story about a mother and a 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: daughter reeling from the sudden and unexpected suicide of their father, 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: A very tragic story, and it was not. I did 58 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: not find this to be something to make fun of. 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I truly did not, and I will. I am a 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: KITCHMEI sir, I have done some truly maddening things just 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: to laugh at it, and this one I did not 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: find worthy of that laughter. I really it's really a 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: touching story, and I think it's a really important exploration 64 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: of grief and how it affects family, how it affects 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: mothers and daughters. And I do want to take this 66 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: opportunity to say that if you or anyone you know 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: is struggling with suicide or self harm, the number you 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: can call is nine to eighty eight. That is a 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: suicide crisis lifeline. And when you watch this movie on YouTube, 70 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: that number is displayed at the bottom of the frame, 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: and I think that is very cool. But on a 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: lighter note, Joan Rivers is one of the funniest people 73 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: that has ever lived. Like truly, I don't know how 74 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: much you know about Joan Rivers, dear listener, but for me, 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: I think just a passing understanding is like, oh, she 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: was a comedian in the you know, seventies in the eighties, 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: and she had a lot of plastic surgery and she's 78 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: the butt of the joke a lot of the time. 79 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: Joan Rivers is sincerely one of the fun not just 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: one of the funniest women. She gets scriped into that 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: a lot, and it's very upsetting. One of the funniest 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: people humans that has ever walked to the planet. I 83 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you know this about her. She had 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: this like catalog in her office. She kind of logged 85 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: every joke she ever wrote, and she had like seventy 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: thousand jokes. She's so funny. This movie is so is 87 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: very sad and it's very emotional, but it's also extremely funny. 88 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: There are so many jokes packed into this movie, and 89 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: I loved it. I had a great time watching this movie. 90 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: I did not, like feel the need to kick back 91 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: in like rewind it. Specifically the part that Laura I 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: is talking about rewinding and laughing at, in my opinion, 93 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: not a funny part of the movie. It's not even 94 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: like to make fun of. It's a it's just a 95 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: sad moment. I kind of I don't get Loralai here, Like, 96 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: why do you want to make fun of again? I 97 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: will make fun of anything. I love making fun of stuff. 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: I did not feel that that scene was worthy of it. 99 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: So I hope that you indulge and watch it yourself 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: and make up your mind. But you know what we're 101 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: talking to Melissa Rivers today we're talking to Jones's daughter. 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: We tragically lost a Joan Rivers in twenty fourteen, but 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: her daughter, Melissa is going to join us today and 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: we're going to talk all about this movie. We're going 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: to talk about the legacy for her mom. We're going 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: to talk about working with her mom. I mean, they're 107 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: like kind of a Rory Loralai combo themselves, Joan and 108 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers. So we're gonna get Melissa on right now. 109 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: She's in the waiting room. She's banging on the door. 110 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers, the legend. Lisa Rivers, thank you so much 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: for hanging out with us today. I'm so excited to 112 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: talk to you. 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you. 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: And please don't use the word legend. If you're a legend, 115 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: it means you're done. 116 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: No, No, legends can be continuous and ongoing. 117 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to tell my son that. 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: All right, excellent. So the first thing I want to 119 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: talk about with you today is that this is a 120 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls podcast and there is a reference to you 121 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: and your mom in the show, specifically the movie Tears 122 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: and Laughter. The Jonah Melissa Rivers story. 123 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: A bleak moment for me that I was arm twisted into. 124 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so curious about I watched the movie today 125 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it so much. I 126 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: like I had heard about it and I was I'm like, Okay. 127 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: This is gonna be kitchy whatever. 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, you know, I'm like, oh, 129 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it's fine, but I'll laugh at 130 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: this or whatever. No, I was so locked in. I'm 131 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: not just saying this. I think it's a sincerely a 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: very powerful movie. It's so funny, it's so legitimately funny, 133 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: and it deals with grief in such an important way. 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I do not think it deserves any of the criticism 135 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: it gets. 136 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you. 137 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: I appreciate that makes me feel a little less dick 138 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: about it about doing something that. 139 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: I was talked into. 140 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I'm curious. How did that come about? 141 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: You filmed it in Vancouver, right, Yes. 142 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: I forget. 143 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: Someone came to us one of the networks and they 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: wanted to do it, and I thought it was just 145 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: our story, and then somehow it became about us doing it, 146 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: and as us I never realized, like that was not 147 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: as far as I remember, what was pitched to me 148 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: and suddenly that's what it turned into. 149 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: And there you have it. 150 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: You know, people always think there's these great backstories. Generally 151 00:07:54,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: there are not great backstories to anything, you know, but 152 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: it's true. 153 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: Think about it. 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. I get it. So originally it 155 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: was going to be someone else playing you and your mom. 156 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? 157 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: Yes? Wow, that was the original and I don't know. 158 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it was very forward thinking because it 159 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: hadn't been done, so in that sense it's kind of interesting. 160 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: But nonetheless, you know, I that's not how it. 161 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Started, gotcha. I mean, and you had I mean you 162 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: start acting when you were like ten years old, right, 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: so this was but playing yourself. That's such a such 164 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: a different type of thing. How did that feel? The first? 165 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Do you remember much from like making those persons? 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: Really don't remember? Yeah, a lot of specifics. 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: I do remember that the house we shot in was 168 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: a house that a lot of places, a lot of 169 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: shows used, and it was supposedly haunted. 170 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 2: Really, I can remember that. I do remember that very clearly. 171 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: I love that a ghost story always makes. 172 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: Things, so I remember that, and you know, I just 173 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: remember being in Vancouver and all that kind of stuff. 174 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: But I don't really remember a lot of the day today. 175 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 4: I do remember it was always very exciting when the 176 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: coffee truck came around, the good coffee truck, all right. 177 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: And I do remember that that one house was supposedly 178 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: haunted and it had an indoor pool. 179 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: Oh that's exciting. 180 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great house. 181 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot of dialogue in this movie that is 182 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: like really fast and quippy and just like like especially 183 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: between you and your mom, just like trading jokes back 184 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: and forth. She strikes me as someone that would try 185 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to cram as many jokes as she could into a scene. 186 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: Is that is that accurate? 187 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 188 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously funny was always first on the list. Yeah, 189 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 4: but you know, if something went more improvisationally during the scene, great, 190 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: But if not, you know, you do you have to 191 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 4: do it as they want it and then you can 192 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 4: play after. Yeah, make sure it's in the camp and 193 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: then you can go and have a good time. 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the I mean the movie is for those 195 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of you who haven't seen Tears in Laughter, the general 196 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: Melissa River story. It's about the loss of your father 197 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: to suicide and so tragic and the struggle you and 198 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: your mom go through after that moment. How did it 199 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: feel to relive that period of your life making this movie? 200 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: I mean. 201 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: That must have been so challenging, you know. 202 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: Again, yeah, I haven't thought about it. I mean, my 203 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 4: dad died in eighty seven, so it's really something like 204 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 4: I haven't even thought about the. 205 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: Movie in twenty five years unless it comes up in 206 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: some sort of a way. 207 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: So it's hard to sort of think about what was 208 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: it like, Yeah, I mean, like I said, the memories 209 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: I have of it or have nothing to do with 210 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: the actual movie. I remember Dan Cortes, the old MTV 211 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: sports guy, was there making a TV show with George C. Scott, 212 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 4: so that I knew Dan back from my MTV days, 213 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: and you would see George c. Scott in the hotel 214 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: bar and that was uber cool, awesome. But that's like 215 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: literally the memories I have of it. You know again, 216 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: I try and live very much in the present. It 217 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I don't remember the past, but like 218 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 4: specifically this movie, it's like, oh my god, it was 219 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 4: literally you know how over half it was? 220 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: It was over half a lifetime ago. Yeah, you know, 221 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: and it was and it was not. 222 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 4: An easy time in my life. Yeah, so I guess. 223 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: I guess in some ways it was cathartic, but I 224 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 4: never really gave it that much thought. 225 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you, there's and I promise this would 226 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: be the last thing we talked about the movie. But 227 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: it ends the way it ends. I started bawling. I started, like, legitimately, 228 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: it was such an emotional moment. It's with your mother, 229 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: black background, and she's looking to the camera and she 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: says she's talking about the gift of having a daughter. 231 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,479 Speaker 1: And she says, sure, you bicker, and you complain, you criticize, 232 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: sometimes you even separate, but it doesn't matter because beneath 233 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: it all, you're going to find out you've given birth 234 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: to your own best friend. I'm trying to say out 235 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: of that crying, it's such a powerful moment for me, 236 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: and that the relationship between mother and daughter is also 237 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: a key part of Gilmore Girls. 238 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 4: Yes, and it's a complicated relationship either, very much. 239 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: Yes, even the best ones are complicated. 240 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. I wanted to ask, like, what what is 241 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: special to you about that specific relationship between you and 242 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: your mother and mothers and daughters, mothers and daughters. 243 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 4: It's first of all, anyone who says that they get 244 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: along all the time is lying, you don't. You simply 245 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: do not. It's always complicated. And that's what I always 246 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: say to people, even the best ones of My mom 247 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: and I had a really good relationship, it was complicated, 248 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: and especially because we worked together also, so it would 249 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: get very complicated and we were very different people, but 250 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: there was you know, he's the only person in the 251 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: world you could truly count off is your mom. 252 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that doesn't. 253 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: Matter if you're a daughter or not. Your mom is 254 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: the one in general. I know I'm making sleeping generalizations. 255 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 4: Your mom is the one that you can always count on, 256 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: you know, And I think that that has is but you. 257 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: Know, even with boys. 258 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the mother of a son, you know, I 259 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: know when the ships sitting in the fan, I'm the 260 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: one that gets the phone call. 261 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, that's that's how it is for me. 262 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it is what it is. And I 263 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: think that you know, it's it's. 264 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: It's a relationship that needs to constantly evolve. Yes, and 265 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: that's very hard too, you know, and especially like when 266 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: you have kids and it gets more and more and 267 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: more complicated. But if you always know that the person 268 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 4: is not trying to sabotage you, even when they feature 269 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: child pizza and ice cream before dinner and then have 270 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 4: the audacity to talk to you about that. I need 271 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: to be one sorry, not talking about myself. Needs to 272 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: be make them better about eating their vegetables. I must 273 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: always remember that. Keep it. It's come from a place 274 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: of love, not total sabotage. And it appears to be sabotage. 275 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what advice do you have for new parents out 276 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: there that are trying to like figure this out? 277 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: Oh oh god, being a new parent. 278 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: Enjoy it while they're just blobs and you can pick 279 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 4: them up and they have no opinion. Like that part 280 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: goes way too fast. As soon as they have an opinion. 281 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: It's never never as much. Life was so much better 282 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: when you could they're just blobs and you can pick 283 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: them up and go. 284 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: They don't have opinions, you can. It's all on your terms. 285 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so. Your mother Joan 286 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Rivers is one of Amy Sherman Palladino the creative Gilmork Girls. 287 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: It's one of her favorite comedians. Marvelous Missus Masel is 288 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: heavily inspired by your mom. How does it feel? To 289 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: see her legacy influence comedy. I mean even today. 290 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: I mean that to me honestly, I've never watched an 291 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 4: episode of Missus Masel, which is it's disappointing for me 292 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: because everyone says I would love it, and I doore 293 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: a door A door, A door, Rachel, Yeah, a door. 294 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: On a personal level or professional I love her, you know, 295 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's really cool. It's really cool that 296 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: she's finally getting the props she deserves because she didn't 297 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: get them during her lifetime. Yeah, And so there is 298 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: something very bittersweet for me about that, because part of 299 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: me wants to go, really, you couldn't have given her 300 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: a little bit of a cookie while she was alive. 301 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, she'll never be forgotten. 302 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: And this has this tremendous legacy, Yes, I and a 303 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: good legacy. 304 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I remember the documentary A piece of work from 305 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: twenty ten. I loved that documentary And there was so 306 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: much I never knew about her that I learned from 307 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: that how And I know that, like we just had 308 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: this big celebration of her life recently, that you were 309 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: a major part of what is something about your mother? 310 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: Joan rivers that you hope people discover in these days 311 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: in the future, that she was. 312 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 4: Real, that it was a real person, that it was 313 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: an insecure person, that she was the most generous, the warmest, 314 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 4: you know, sensitive, cared, you know, and that's who she 315 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: was as a person, even though on stage it was 316 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: always cutting edge and pushing the boundaries and all that. 317 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: But she always said, and always frustrated her that people 318 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 4: never understood that you have to be so famous and 319 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: so much a part of the public conversation that people 320 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 4: can then take the leap and understand. 321 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: A joke about you. 322 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: Yes, And She's like, people would get like, how could 323 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 4: you say that? She's like, do you not get how 324 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: big you are? Everyone in the world understands not just 325 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: the joke, but why it's funny? 326 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, like it is the ultimate compliment. 327 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: It really is it really? I love that way of 328 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: looking at it. It's it's incredible. Uh. Something else from 329 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: that documentary that I learned that I was really curious 330 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: about was the the joke catalog, Like, so seventy thousand jokes. 331 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: In this something like that, Yeah. 332 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: Did you ever poke around in there? Was that like 333 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: just around that, Like do you have any memories of 334 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: the of the joke catalog. 335 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 4: It was always in the office, yeah, you know, and 336 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 4: again it's not the kind of you know, every now 337 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: and again I'd be like, walk by, look at something. Again, 338 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: it's it was literally part of the furniture of the office, 339 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 4: you know. So it again when you don't understand, like 340 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: I didn't understand the value of it until. 341 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I understood like it was a 342 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: really big deal. 343 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 4: But one of the things they were trying to do 344 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 4: and do it do at the same time was trying 345 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 4: to digitize everything. 346 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: Yoh, yeah, wasn't undertaking. 347 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: Yeah so, but the card catalog, what it represents now 348 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: is so tremendous. 349 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, absolutely. We're talking to Melissa Rivers here 350 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: on the Ice Smell Pop Culture Podcast. We're going to 351 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: take just a quick break, everybody, We'll be right back. 352 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: It's the Ice Smell Pop Culture Podcast. My names Easton Allen. 353 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: We're hanging out with Melissa Rivers here talking about her mom, 354 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: the legendary Joan Rivers. What a tremendous legacy. You worked 355 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: with your mom on so many projects, and I'm curious, like, 356 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: what was it like once you started like working with 357 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: her as a collaborator, Like, how was like working Joan 358 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: different from like Joan as your mom. 359 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 4: Well, it was always two different people. But I was 360 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: always smart enough to know, like she really does know 361 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: what's funny. Yeah, so and if it doesn't work, she's 362 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: the first one to pull it out. But it's hard. 363 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: It was, you know, it's a hard relationship to figure 364 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: out because I was also the producer of these shows 365 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 4: of course, so it's you know, it was about managing talent, 366 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 4: it was about being a partner. We intrinsically had and 367 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: really found our own rhythm. So as a team, it 368 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 4: was amazing because once we found. 369 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: It, it was unspoken. 370 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: She'd be like I know. She'd be like, okay, I 371 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: need to I know, I get it. I'll say you 372 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: put you there, blah blah blah blah, And people be like, 373 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: there was not an actual verb in that sentence, in 374 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 4: that sentence, but yet we knew exactly where the other 375 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 4: one was going. And that's part of being a team. 376 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 4: That's part of being a duo, is you have that connection. 377 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: What's what's one of the fondest memories you have, Like 378 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: was there a particular project, Like was it Fashion Police 379 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: of working with your mom on something collaborative. 380 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: I think it was when the Red Carpets finally hit 381 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 4: their stride. Yeah, because we knew what we were doing 382 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 4: and we knew. 383 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: How to hit it out of the park. 384 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we knew. 385 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 4: And I think that was always the most fun, was 386 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: when we were really in the rhythm of doing that 387 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 4: and over a couple of years where it was at 388 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: its height, it was. 389 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: Boom boom, boom, boom boom. 390 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: And I look back now and like, oh my god, 391 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: you know we, Shane, You know, we were part of 392 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: turning walking into a building into an event. Absolutely, we 393 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: created a business you know who knew? 394 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: Yes, no, for real. So, speaking of I do have 395 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: some fashion questions for you. Is there a fashion trend 396 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty five that you like On Fashion 397 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Police he would have just like completely roasted? Or is 398 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: something that you want to take kind of take some 399 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: shots at? 400 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Oh god, what with fashion have I disliked this year? 401 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 402 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: Oh god, oh there's been been Oh's. 403 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: So many exactly. 404 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, Victor, what have we hated this year? 405 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: Fashion wise? 406 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 4: I've paid so little attention to fashion this year just 407 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 4: because of everything going on in the world that it's 408 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: you know, been the world. It's a big dumpster fire 409 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: that I cannot even begin to think about. 410 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: What I know. 411 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: A trend that really irritated me was when the bows 412 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 4: came back and all these adult women are wearing those bows. 413 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: Yes, it's like. 414 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 4: It's one thing to see it on the runway and 415 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 4: it might be kind of cute, it might be kind 416 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 4: of pretty, you know, but we don't need to go 417 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: back to the nineties clipping giant bows that. But that's 418 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 4: been one that started before this year that was really 419 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: aggravating to me. It really started right around the Olympics 420 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: last year that I found just and it was aggravating. 421 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: Just absolutely infuriating. I completely get you. I sapped wearing 422 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: bows in my hair personally, thank goodness, yeah, thank you. 423 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: There was one there was one TV personality that really 424 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 4: bought into the trend and one of my two of 425 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 4: my girlfriends were. 426 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: Like, oh, dear God, there's a bow again. 427 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 4: Like every time we saw her with a bow, he 428 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 4: would take a screamshot or stick a send the link 429 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: or like, oh God, the bow's back. 430 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: Because she abused the trend. Yes, he abused the trend. 431 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: What do you think of this La Boo boo trend, 432 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: the little stuffed animals. 433 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: They are so freaking creepy. Yeah, Like I saw one 434 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 4: and I had one. It was much cuter when you 435 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 4: got it dressed. 436 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I'm just. 437 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 4: Like, really really, But when I first took it out 438 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 4: of the box, I'm like, this thing is creepy looking. 439 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: But I had to admit after I put its little 440 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 4: clothes on it, it actually kind of became cute. Would 441 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: I collect them? 442 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: No? Would I hang it on my purse? 443 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: No? 444 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's. 445 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 4: It's just one of those things that ends up just 446 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: taking space on your in your closet. 447 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you a percent. 448 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 4: Like for little kids, I get it. It's all these 449 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 4: adults you know that I don't like. I get it, 450 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: but I don't get it or don't get it. 451 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Everyone I work with has them hanging off their their 452 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: bags when I'm walking to the office. 453 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 4: It's like a huge and I have to tell you, 454 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 4: I I once it. Once you put the clothes on it, 455 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 4: it was much cuter. Yes, I had to admit that 456 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 4: it was really cute after that. Would I continue to 457 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 4: collect absolutely not? 458 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 459 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: And then lavooboo fashion, that's a whole nother thing like 460 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: mine had. 461 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: Mine had a little airmez sweat and. 462 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Being cute, Okay, very chic. 463 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: That's when I thought it was cute. 464 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less from you. 465 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: Yes, of course, That's when I'm like, oh, it really 466 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: is kind of cute. But again, I bequeathed it to 467 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 4: someone's teenage daughter who was like beyond excited. 468 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: The right thing to do. There's so many red carpets 469 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: with you and your mom, is there is there one 470 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: moment that really stands out to you, Like when you 471 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: think back on that period of life that you think 472 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: fondly of, do you have like a favorite memory from that? 473 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: I know it's a big question, but I. 474 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: Have lots of little snippets. 475 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there was a great moment with my 476 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: mom and Robin Williams. There was a great moment I 477 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: remember with my mom and Jim Carrey that was so funny. 478 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: There were you know, for me, it's it's all. 479 00:25:53,320 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: Little snippets, Yeah, little one liners and conversations. You know 480 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: where she the one with Jim Carrey. He was wearing 481 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 4: some sort of a flower pin or whatever, and she's like, 482 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 4: so she goes, I don't like the pen and so 483 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: he ripped. 484 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: It off and threw it on the ground. 485 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 4: You know, it's stuff like that that you just go 486 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: it was and it has gone, you know. I mean, 487 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 4: you know, and anytime you got my mom with any 488 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: of the comedians, it was hilarious, whether it was Whoopy 489 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: was any of them, you know, because they got to play. 490 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 2: And watching that level of comedians it's like ten. 491 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean, it's like watching Michael Jordan, you know, 492 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's so it's yeah. 493 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: But those interviews with like my mom and Robin Williams 494 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: on the carpet, it's it's amazing my mom or one 495 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 4: of our very first red carpets, my mom and Dustin 496 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 4: Hoffman were hilarious. 497 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: He tried to pick her up and carry her inside. 498 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I mean it's those moments that you remember. 499 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: Is there is there a joke that your mom would 500 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: tell that like that you remember? Do you have like 501 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: a favorite joke of hers? 502 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: Oh? God, no, so many of them run through my head. 503 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: It depends on the day. 504 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, a favorite joke, Oh, it was what about first 505 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: wives and second wives? That always do you get a 506 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 4: whole run on that that I always gound very funny. 507 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 4: You know, if you die, have everything buried on you, 508 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 4: every jewelry. If the next bitch wants it, let her dig. 509 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: For it, you know what I mean. Like stuff like that. 510 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: I just thought was so on the money. 511 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: I love it. There was a really quick moment in 512 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: the movie Tears and Laughter where she's dropping you off 513 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: at college and the guy that's meeting you there is like, oh, hi, 514 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, and Joe goes, yeah, you and 515 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: three other people. 516 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was so so funny. Melissa Rivers, You're 518 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: just so great. Thank you so much for having I 519 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: have one more question for you. It's just kind of 520 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: a weird question. Okay, good, good. 521 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: We've warned, especially now that we got the bow out. 522 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, now that the bows are gone? What does 523 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: pop culture smell like to you? If pop culture had 524 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: an odor, what would it be? 525 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 4: Oh god, that's a great question. What would pop culture 526 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: smell like? 527 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: Well? 528 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 4: I don't want to be like, oh, popcorn, because that 529 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 4: would be stupid and obvious. I think I think each 530 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: pop culture, I think every decade would have a different smell. 531 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I think. 532 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: I think every decade would have a different smell. 533 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: Well, let's let's pick one. What about the nineties. 534 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 2: Oh, weren't we all into the Petchouli oil? 535 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 4: Yes, with grunge, Yeah, the nineties would smell like petchuli 536 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: for sure. Or oh god, what was that perfume? One 537 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: of that oh Calvin Klein obsession. Yeah, like you know, 538 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 4: that's what it would smell. That's what that's what it 539 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: would smell like. The late eighties early nineties would smell 540 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 4: like Calvin Klink obsession. The later nineties, like with grunge 541 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 4: and all that would definitely smell like petuli. 542 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: What a great answer. Now I want to I want 543 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: to whiff those things again. Exactly so much, Melissa, You're 544 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: so cool. 545 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: You made this so simple and easily, so much, so 546 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 4: much fun. I got to ask you, why do you 547 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 4: have a container of caramel corn that looks like it 548 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: could be really old over your shoulder? 549 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: This is embarrassing. That's a that's actually a crown that's 550 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: in there. And it was Do you know arc Light Cinemas? 551 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Do you remember them? 552 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: Yes? 553 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Okay, this isn't for the podcast, but they 554 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: had a caramel corn at ArcLight Cinema's that was very 555 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: popular and they did a promotion in twenty nineteen called 556 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: the Summer of Caramel Corn, and I thought it was 557 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: confusing and I didn't know what they were doing. So 558 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: I emailed them and said, are you going to do 559 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: like a caramel corn princess like they do at the 560 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl? And they're like, I don't know, I haven't 561 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: thought about it. And then I got all my friends 562 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: to email them and demand that i'd be the Caramel 563 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: Corn Princess. And they did it. They crowned. That's a crown. 564 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: They gave me in a sash and I was the 565 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: Caramel Corn Princess that year. 566 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: I love that because I am now in the presence 567 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 4: of true pop culture royalty. 568 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: That's right. Well, thank you so much for Willison Rivers. 569 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: It has been so exciting. 570 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. 571 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: Have a great day you too, hey, everybody, and don't 572 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: forget follow us on Instagram at I Am All In 573 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.