1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Things are all right. I'm looking out my window right now. Yeah. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: The sky is still up there, still up there, hasn't 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: fallen yet, So you know, you move on. The Ravens, 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: to their credit, came outside the typical. Well, you can't 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: run a quarterback that much in the NFL and win 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: if you can't last they said, FOOI, We're gonna do it. 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: We don't care if he runs a hundred seventy times. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: One thing that I feel like I've seen is that 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: guys who truly love the game seem to have a 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: better success rate of panning out. Lamar Jackson is a 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: guy who absolutely loves the game and wants to find 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: ways to be better. Welcome into the lounge. We didn't 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: get the big win. It didn't It didn't come to 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: fruition this time. But you know what, things are all right. 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking out my window right now. Yeah, yeah, sky 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: is still up there, still up there, hasn't fallen yet, 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: So you know, you move on. That was a tough 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: loss that you somebody to night football, but we move on. 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my calendar, Ryan, what's your calendar? Say 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: what month is It's still September here? At what time? 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: When does the NFL season go till uh February. Look, 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that Monday night game. Um, and 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: look it was. It was disappointing. We're not gonna sugarcoat it. 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: That night was not fun and we all had different 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: expectations for what that game was gonna look like and 26 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: how it was going to play out, and it did 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: not go the way that any of us wanted or anticipated. 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's the reality of the situation. 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: But the other reality is still that the Ravens have 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of football left. This is still a team 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: that I think is gonna win a lot of games. 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: I think the path that the playoffs is gonna be 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: tough for this year than it was last season in 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: this division because the division is better. But I also 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: think the Ravens are better, uh, and I think that 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: the Ravens are still going to be right in the 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: mix in the a f C UH this year. So yeah, 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: maybe that Yeah, we're still we're still top three team there. 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: Right now. You paid the Chiefs, the Chiefs, the Ravens. Hey, 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: the Steelers have are three and o right now we're 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: two and once you can't get you can't exclude them. 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: I do think that we're better than the Steelers and Titans. 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: I think and and the Titans. There's three and oh yeah, 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Titans were a good team too, So I mean, it's 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: it's good. But come on, now, we're gonna be in 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: the playoffs now, no, no, no question. The mix mix 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking about in the mix to get to the 48 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: super Bowl, not just in the mids. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, 49 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: I thought you sell the playoffs. Okay, Um. Anyway, you know, 50 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll say this to about Monday Night, we might have 51 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: witnessed the greatest quarterback of all time at his prime, 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: in his at his best, on Monday Night football. That 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: might have been what we just saw. I mean, I'm 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: not sure that Patrick Mahomes is gonna win as many 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowls as Tom Brady, but he might. But I 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: think he might be better than Tom Brady, just a 57 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: better player. He could turn out to be better when 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: it's all setting done. I think when he was ridiculous, 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: that was insane. There were so many times in that 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: game where it seemed like the Ravens they would they 61 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: would flush him out one direction and he would avoid 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: pressure by a second less than half a second and 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: then flick it down the field for thirty yards and 64 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: find Tyreek Hill in between two guys or I mean, 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: and then there's also the game planning piece. The Chiefs 66 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: clearly had a There were there were points in that 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: game where guys were running wide open and it was 68 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: just putting catch from Mahomes. But he delivered some throws 69 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: that only he can make, that only he can make. 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: When he when he came out of the first half 71 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: of his first throw was in a bucket to Clyde 72 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire out of the backfield on a wheel route, 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, oh, I see, the second 74 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: has gonna be just like the first half. Yeah. Well, 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean when he's throwing, when he's throwing underhand passes 76 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: for touchdowns and and also connected with Eric Fisher for touchdowns, 77 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not the ravest night. This is 78 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: just not the ravest knight when those things are happening. 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: If you told me before the game that he was 80 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: gonna throw an underhand touchdown pass and that Eric Fisher 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: was also going to catch a touchdown pass, I'd say 82 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: that is not a good recipe for the Ravens. Yeah, anyway, 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: we're bringing on former Ravens head coach turned NFL network 84 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: analysts Brian Billick turned author turned author all turned author 85 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: turned author turned podcaster, also and podcasts. Do you think 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: that you'll ever write a book? Gare, Nah, you're not 87 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: a writer anymore. You're not a writer anymore. I'm going 88 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: to write a book about the trials of dealing with 89 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: Ryan Mank on a daily basis. That's gonna read it, Yeah, 90 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: that one would read. But anyway, Brian's gonna come on 91 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: and talk to us about this chief's game and and 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: what he sees moving forward with the Ravens. We'll take 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, we'll be 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: joined with by Brian Billick. 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Brian, How, how did 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: you did you think? I know you were always really 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: good with the media as a coach, like you were 108 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: a friend. You. I tell you, this guy can deliver 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: a quote. Are you are you trying to insult me? 110 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: Or is this when? When did you know that media 111 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: was in your future? I'm just wondering. Well, you know, 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: remember I started out in the league as an assistant 113 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: PR guy I played, and then when Bill and Bill 114 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Walsh hired me, I was kind of a we're very 115 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: small organizationally, always laugh that my title was assistant public 116 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: relations director. But there were three of us, and that 117 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: included sweet sales, promotions, publications of course PR. I also 118 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: was player programs. That's how many people with what's at 119 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: thirty five people with the Ravens now. It was a 120 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: great It was a great tutelage for me to start 121 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: out in that capacity. Uh. And then obviously when I 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: got into the coaching and did the whole thing. When 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: I got to become a head coach. Some people might 124 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: argue with it, but I thought it gave me an 125 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: additional persuctive on dealing with the media. And like I 126 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: always said, look, I'll I may not always give you 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: what you want, but I'm going to fill your bet 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna fill your notebook. Okay, I'm gonna help 129 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: you do your job, not be exactly what it is 130 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: you wanted. We appreciate that. So obviously, you were one 131 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: of the millions of people watching Ravens versus Chiefs Monday night. 132 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: You know, obviously a disappointing game for Ravens fans and 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: players and coaches and everybody. How do you, kind of 134 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: stepping away from it now a couple of days removed, 135 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: how do you look at that performance and what it 136 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: means for the Ravens going forward this season? Well, I 137 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: think you have to keep it in perspective. First off, 138 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: this chief team is pretty spectacular and you caught him 139 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: on a night where they did no wrong so to speak. Um, 140 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: they did put together the trifecta of what takes to 141 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: to beat the Ravens, particularly when it comes to that offense, 142 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: is one, don't give up the big play, and of course, 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: Lamar was over five and vertical shots down the field 144 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: did not have a play over twenty yards, which has 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: kind of been a hallmark for them to have that vertical. 146 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: So they went and said, Okay, we're not gonna give 147 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: you the big play, and we're gonna we're gonna put 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: on a five man rush, maybe a six man rush 149 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: to to make sure you don't get out of the pocket. Now, 150 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: there will be opportunities underneath in the intermediate area. And 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: if you can do that consistently down the field, then 152 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: you got us. We're not gonna give up the big play. 153 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna put in pressure and oh, by the way, 154 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have our quarterback have a relentless UH pace 155 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: that you have to keep up with UH and the 156 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: fact that you have to settle field goals when we're 157 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns, and it is that the trifecta. And people 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: are saying, well, okay, is that the is that the 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: blueprint for beating the ravens Lamar Jackson. Well, yes, if 160 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: your blueprint can include Patrick Mahomes, then there's not a 161 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: lot of people that are gonna be able to duplicate that. 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point that you bring up 163 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: and and I feel like any time the Ravens have 164 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: lost since Lamar Jackson has taken over the starting quarterback, 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: whether it's the Chargers in the playoffs, the Titans in 166 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs, now the Chiefs. The attitude of the question 167 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: is is this the recipe? Is this the blueprint for 168 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: beating the Ravens? Do you like from a defensive standpoint, because, 169 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: like you just said, if your blueprint includes Patrick Mahomes 170 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: on offense, but from a from a defensive standpoint, how 171 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: many similarities are you seeing in these losses? Uh Titans 172 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs? Um, are they completely different? Are they similar? Like? 173 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: How much of a similarity is there? They are similar 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: in that although in a different way. Again, what a 175 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Dean Peace do in the Tennessee game. Don't give up 176 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the vertical although they did give up a few more 177 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: verticals in Kansas City, did give you the intermediate passing game. 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: And we're gonna again bring a front that keeps you 179 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: very horizontal, talking about Lamar now very horizontal in terms 180 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: of him outside the pocket, and and and we're also 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: going to beat up your defense with a relenting ground 182 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: game that only Tennessee could do. So they accomplished the 183 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: same thing Kansas City did in terms of time of 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: possession and being able to move the ball. They just 185 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: did it differently with that punishing ground game. So there again, 186 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: is that a print. Yes, if you have a Derrick 187 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Henry and you can pound away that way, absolutely that's 188 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: a group a blueprint. But but that doesn't necessarily mean 189 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: that it's going to work the next time. And and 190 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: give the Ravens credit, you know, the next time you 191 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: may not keep Lamar Jackson in check. Maybe they do 192 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: make more of those intermediate throws and then set up 193 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: the big throw down the field. So you know, I know, 194 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't think I've never been one to believe in 195 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: because you hear it all the time after someone loses. 196 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Oh that you know, we now have a blueprint that 197 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: the other teams are gonna duplicate. Maybe maybe not, And 198 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: Mike particularly, you look over the next three weeks where 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens have basically three home games and I know 200 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: it's at Washington then since now at Philly, but I 201 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: mean it's bust bussing distance. So it's like a home 202 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: game um against three teams that they ought to do 203 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: very well against. Now those three teams can have a blueprint, 204 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: but can they duplicate what we saw in Kansas City? 205 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: Can we duplicate duplicate what we saw with Tennessee. I'm 206 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: not so sure. So they're gonna get their mojo back, 207 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: They're gonna get some confidence in rolling here, and they'll 208 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: continue to work on that on both sides of the ball. 209 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: You know. Defensively, the difficulty is because the Ravens don't 210 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: have that dominant pass rusher. They've got to bring those 211 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: patent and Ravens Blitzer and the most more so than 212 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: anybody in the league, four man rushes, But you gotta 213 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: play man behind that and against a lot of teams 214 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: that would size up. But you lost Tavon young Um 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: and in Kansas City. The unique challenge they present is, Okay, 216 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: maybe you're one matches up with their one, maybe your 217 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: two matches up with their too, But does your three 218 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: four and five cover guy match up with their three 219 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: four and five? And there's not many teams to do. 220 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: M Brian, I'm curious a big if you turn on 221 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: talk radio here in Baltimore. I'm not sure how much 222 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: you listen to talk radio when you were the head 223 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: coach here. Probably not that often. I'm gonna guess not 224 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: that often. But if you know, if you turn on 225 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: talk radio right now in Baltimore, there's plenty of talk 226 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: about whether the Ravens got away from the run game 227 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: too quickly on Monday night. What's your take on that? 228 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: And then also, you've been you've been a play caller 229 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: in this league. How do you to talk me through 230 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: the mindset of a play caller in the middle of 231 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: a game when you're trying to stick to her on 232 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: game but also put up points in a hurry and 233 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: balance those things. Well, given to stay in rhythm is hard. 234 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: You gotta stay ahead of the chains. That first drive 235 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: was brilliant. I mean, it was Ingram Lamar, it was Dobbins, 236 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: it was I mean, it was brilliant. And I know 237 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: people say, Okay, you get down, you get to a 238 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: second and three and second four, and you throw the 239 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: ball the next two times? Why do you do that? Well, 240 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: as a play call you do have to consider and 241 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure Greg Roman in that situation, even though they 242 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: had run it down, run it down, had to be thinking, okay, 243 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: they got to stack the box here. They've got to 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: be thinking we are not gonna let you run it 245 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: in and put all your assets into stopping the run. 246 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: So now running a pass or play action pass would 247 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: make sense. As it turned out, it didn't work. So 248 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: if it didn't work, it means you're an idiot, right. 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: That's we always look through these calls through the prism 250 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: of of hindsight. It worked, your genius if it If 251 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't, you're the village idiot um. And I always 252 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: used to love it, you know when after of the 253 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: game and someone would in the same situation, was said, coach, 254 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: if you know and you weren't going to get it 255 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: into the end zone, would you have maybe running on 256 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: that second three? Yeah, what I was doing wasn't gonna work. 257 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: Would I do something different? Yeah, I'm not stupid, Yeah 258 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I would do that. So so you know, you could 259 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: you make a case and a criticism that you should 260 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: have stayed with the run. Sure, but you also have 261 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: to follow your game plan and says, I know they're 262 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: going to stack the box here, so I'm gonna play. 263 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna and then and how many times? And then 264 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: we see they do that and some guys just standing naked, 265 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: clean in the end zone, untouched because they've totally sold out, 266 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: uh to stop the run and and don't have a 267 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: guy in the back of the end zone. Well, they 268 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: actually played it well. And you have to be careful 269 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: because I've always joked about this as a play caller, 270 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: you can outthink yourself. I mean, it can turn into 271 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: a bad abbot and Costello routina. Well, I know they 272 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: know that. I know they know, but I know that. 273 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do something else. And you can drive 274 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: yourself nuts. Brian, I'm I'm wondering a lot of the 275 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: talk right now. Obviously two is about how the Ravens 276 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: just can't beat the Chiefs. Oh and three against the 277 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: Chiefs under Lamar. You know, during your coaching career, Ravens 278 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: had certainly their rivalries of their own, you know, and 279 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: the Titans were a thorn in the Ravens side in 280 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: those early days until two thousand and Uh. That big 281 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: win in the regular season against them kind of was 282 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: a precursor to beating him in the in the playoffs. 283 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: How do you handle that as a team and as 284 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: a head coach and trying to get your team over 285 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: that kind of mental hump if it is that, you know, 286 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: I think most teams don't deal with it because like 287 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: we were when we got when I got there, they 288 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: had never beaten Jacksonville. Right, that was the big That 289 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: was the thing I heard. Certainly, Pittsburgh's always a big rivalry, 290 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: but but Jacksonville is a huge rival. Okay, well it 291 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: was for the Ravens fans, but it wasn't for Jacksonville 292 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: because they had never beaten them. So they were just 293 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: an after It wasn't like there's a rivalry. But I 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: knew for coming in that that was the bigger You 295 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: can't beat Jacksonville. The advantage is every not everybody on 296 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: my team has lived through that. They haven't lived through 297 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: all those losses. They don't care. They haven't been beaten 298 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: by Jacksonville all those times the Baltimore Ravens had and 299 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: back to the Cleveland Browns had, and certainly certain members 300 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: of management and whatever. But I had never been beaten 301 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: by Jacksonville. Um. So it wasn't real to me or 302 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: to us um. But I recognized that this was gonna 303 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: be big. If we could then that would still be 304 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: both for the organization and for the city to see, yes, 305 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: we can do that. And so that when that come 306 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: back come from behind went against Jacksonville was probably the 307 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: seminal game in that two thousand season. Um, when we 308 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: came back and beat that and and Tony Banks said, 309 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp down the middle for the tydown, that was 310 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: a marker, one of the markers that we we could say, 311 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and even for the players, even though they weren't a 312 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: part of all that previous losing. Was yeah, yeah, we 313 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: can do this. Mhmm. How how how good is mahomes 314 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: See the best in the league right now by far? 315 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Or is it? Is it a three way race? What 316 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: is it? He's approaching um Jordanesque qualities. That's you see, 317 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: that's what I'm scared of, Brian. That's why I've been 318 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: using this analogy. And it scares me that I'm I'm 319 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: worried that the Chiefs are the Bulls of the nineties. 320 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Tell me that's not the case. Yeah, well we'll see. 321 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: Keep it together is harder in the NFL than it 322 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: is in the NBA. So that's a factor. Can they 323 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: keep Kelsey and Hill and you know everything involved with 324 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: it to go with Patrick mahomes Um? But yeah, it's 325 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: it's as scary and and it's a legitimate concern because 326 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: then do you as brilliant as the Ravens are. Lamar 327 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Jackson an m v P. Do you become the Phil 328 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: Mickelson right? You know where you just you you just 329 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: picked the time to be good in your career at 330 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the wrong time, because you know the same thing with 331 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, facing Tom Brady. You know, even though Peyton 332 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: Manning had come out of it and has his own wins, 333 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: and you can look at Peyton Manning, boy, how come 334 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: they don't have more? Well, you just picked the wrong 335 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: time to parallel. Uh and and so that is what 336 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: it is. But yeah, they're not invincible. They have been beaten. 337 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: Their defense played well the other night, but they're still there. 338 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: They are you. You can rough them up, you can 339 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: be physical with them. And if you can execute a 340 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: plan where like that, you can keep Patrick Mahomes in 341 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: the pocket. Yes, he can beat you moving down the 342 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: field that way, but that's more problematic than giving them 343 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: the big play down the field or letting him outside 344 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: the pocket. If you let him outside the pocket, you 345 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: are done, game, set match, it's over. And and so 346 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: that's the game plan going in and I'm sure Wink 347 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Martindale going forward. Well, now can they beat you the 348 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: other way. Yes they can. But we you know, one 349 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: of the hallmarks of the defenses we had early where 350 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: our players truly understood not every defense has vulnerabilities, not 351 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: every you know, you can't stop everything, and where our 352 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: players were very good at understanding that, Okay, we if 353 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: we have this call, we're vulnerable in the flat and 354 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: if they hit the flat, my bad, got it. We'll 355 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: live with it because we're taking away X Y and z. 356 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: If you know, if they hit us on the deep 357 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: outside go route against this certain defense, Okay, they win 358 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: because we're we're configuring a defense to stop X Y 359 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: or z uh and the players then take confidence knowing, okay, 360 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: we can do this, and we know there's a vulnerability 361 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: and let's see if they can recognize that. Um So, 362 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: so you know there is a way to beat Patrick Mahomes, 363 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: but you gotta recognize, well, but if they can do 364 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: the other things that that are vulnerable in keeping him 365 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: in the box, taking away the big plays like they 366 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: took on the Ravens, he can't beat you underneath, but 367 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you got to make him show you that he can 368 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: do that. You don't just assume. Um I was in 369 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: play calling, we talked about play calling earlier. I used 370 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: to love it when we were running the ball well. 371 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: And unless we're running the inside zone and we beat 372 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: a team we beat Tennessee heavily with inside zone, next 373 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: time we play him, it's okay, we're gonna do something 374 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: else and it will lie and it was well because 375 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: they know we beat them with so they're gonna be 376 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: prepared for the zone inside zone. I'd always tell my 377 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: coach as well, tell you what, let's do this. How 378 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: about we let them show us that they can stop 379 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: the inside and then have an alternative. Let's don't play 380 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: chopboard play calling here and just and take that off 381 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: the table, just because you know they're going to focus 382 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: on right, maybe their personnel can't stop the inside zone. 383 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: Correct at the end of the day, Let's make them 384 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: show us that they can stop what we do. Guest right, 385 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: the problem I feel like you know you're saying, they 386 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: have let them recognize where the weakness is. I feel 387 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: like the problem was Monday night, Mahomes recognized everything. I mean, 388 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: every every decision. It seemed like Wink was bringing you know, 389 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: Jude on on that looping pressure, that kind of not 390 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: putting his hand and they're letting him get a running start, 391 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: and every time that he brought it, you know, to 392 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: where they thought Mahomes was gonna drop, Old Mahomes was 393 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: on the other side of the of the tackle, you know, 394 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: of the hash mark. So it was just unbelievable the 395 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: way he was a step ahead consistently through that game. 396 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: And that's that's part of the evolving greatness of Patrick Mahomes. 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: When I've always said about Ray Lewis was the greatest 398 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: instinctual player I've ever seen. His ability to read and 399 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: then react. And then when you added the experience to 400 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: now where he can anticipate, read and react, you I mean, 401 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you're dead. I used to laugh when people tried to 402 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: throw screens on us because Ray was back there waiting 403 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: for the ball with the guy that got the screen, 404 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: because he was so great at that read and react 405 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: and then the and and then the anticipate patient well, 406 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: and you see that, Naron Rodgers, Um, Patrick Mahomes is 407 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: evolving into that ability to recognize get the ball out 408 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: of his hands quickly, but now is gaining that experience 409 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: to where now he can anticipate and react in the 410 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: way that you're talking about. Based on your rotation or 411 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: the pressures you're showing, or who's in the game, or 412 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: what the down and distances, and and that's a that's 413 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: a scary thing, all right. So let's stop talking about 414 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: how good the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes are. It'll be 415 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: a lot more fun to talk about how the Ravens 416 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: still have some very good players. And one guy I 417 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about is Brandon Williams. You know, 418 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: you've coached some really good defensive tackles who can stuff 419 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: the run. He seems like he's playing at one of 420 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: his highest levels right now. What have you seen from Brandon? 421 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: And that moves back to those tackle dominant When you 422 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: have that kind of dominance on the inside, and that 423 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: was the key to Wet with Sam Adams and and 424 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: uh Tony Saragosa is you could not run inside and 425 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: you knew that, and in fact, most people didn't even try, 426 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: which gave us great latitude in terms of the scraping 427 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: and the linebackers and Ray. Taking nothing away from Ray 428 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,239 Speaker 1: obviously a Hall of Famer and brilliant, but he had 429 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: a group up front that made his job real easy 430 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: in terms of flowing and getting to the point of attack. 431 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: Brandon Williams, and there's only a handful of There's not 432 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. There's some good players, but only 433 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: a handful of guys, uh that that you can put 434 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: in the middle like that. And and he's reached that 435 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: level where he's part of that that that that rare group. 436 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: Inside it's dirty work too. Now it's not fun, but 437 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: that's a huge advantage for the Ravens to stop the 438 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: run when you know people can't beat you inside m M. 439 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: And then offensively a guy I want to get your 440 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: perspective on his Hollywood Brown. You know, we've a ton 441 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: of talent. He's an explosive speed guy, and this is 442 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: a big year for him taking that next to becoming 443 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: a true number one, and we've seen flashes of it. 444 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: What do you think is the key for him to 445 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: to kind of continue that progression and become that true 446 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: number one receiver that the raven is expecting and hope 447 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: that he can become. You will continue to make those 448 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: big plays. And this is gonna sound a little counterintuitive 449 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: because he's showing dynamic talent and he's that player. I 450 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: don't know that he's truly ever gonna be a number 451 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: one and by that, I mean and there's and that's 452 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: rare territory now, the Julio Joneses of the world, and 453 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: to where you have to account for them on every play, 454 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: your coverage, your rotation. You can never leave them one 455 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: on one. And and because they will not only beat 456 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: you deep, they'll beat you underneath. And Hollywood Brown certainly 457 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: has that deep and the ability to go underneath probably 458 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: a little. You know, I equate him to to Hill 459 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: in Kansas City, very dynamic, but even Hill I wouldn't 460 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: categorize as a number one. You've got to account for him. Um, 461 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: you can't let him get in behind you, and he'll 462 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: do damage underneath. But and so, and this is gonna 463 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: sound funny in that way. It sounds like it's a criticism. 464 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that because he's still he's a 465 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: can be a dynamic player and a huge part and 466 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: someone that can beat you. Yes, he can beat you 467 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: by getting in behind the defense by the nature of 468 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: his play and his style of play. Is he a 469 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: true number one? You know? Yeah, we'll have to see. Right, 470 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: he's not gonna He's not. I don't think he's going 471 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: to consistently be a ten catch one fifty yard guy. Right. 472 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, when I think of the number and maybe 473 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: it's semantics. When I think of the number ones, I 474 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: think of Calvin Johnson, I think of Julio Jones. I 475 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: think of Larry Fitzgerald in his day, Randy moss Um, 476 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: Chris Carter hall of famer, as good in the slot 477 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: as anybody dynamic player. But I wouldn't put Chris in 478 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: the category of being a number one because him alone, 479 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that he could dictate that just as 480 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: great as he was. Um So there again, we may 481 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: be talking semantics here, but it's the same thing. If 482 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: if if Marcus Brown has the same kind of career 483 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: as as and I'm and I'm writing what I'm saying, 484 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: and all is he is is as good as uh 485 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: uh Chris Carter, than I'll say, I'll take a Hall 486 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: of Famer pretty good. That's a pretty good life if 487 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: all he does is touchdown. Brian, the offensive line, what 488 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: have you seen? How big has the loss of Marshal 489 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Yonda been so far for this line? Yeah, it's always 490 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: a tough one when you lose, particularly in the interior. 491 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: The experience and the physicality of a marshal yonda to plug. 492 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: You don't just plug that in. You don't just put 493 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: the next guy everybody focuses on. You gotta have the 494 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: good tackles for pack, rush and center and guards are undervalued. Uh, 495 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: particularly ones that can move around the way Marshall did. Um, 496 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: but so so replacing that is tough. And again so 497 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: if you if you have things that you have to 498 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: account for on the inside of your protection, let alone 499 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: what you have to do to help a tackle and 500 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: all the other things that we do in protection wise, Um, 501 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: that's tough. And Marshall, just like I had with Jonathan Ogden, 502 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: I never had to worry about the left side. I 503 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: had a lot of other concerns, but I never had 504 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: to worry about that left side. Marshall got to a 505 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: point where protection wise, you know, Okay, I don't have 506 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: to worry about the inside. That's that's that's I'll address 507 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: the other concerns because that's solid. Yeah. So so, Brian, 508 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: And the other reason we want to have you on 509 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: today is we want to talk to you about your 510 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: new book. It's just came out this week, so congratulations. 511 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: The title of the book is The Q Factor of 512 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: the Elusive Search for the next great NFL quarterback. Talk 513 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: to us about this book. It really is a fascinating 514 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: concept where you basically fall allow the draft class. Obviously 515 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: there's people interested in draft class here in Baltimore. Um so, 516 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: so talk to me about the book and how this 517 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: all came together well and and and the draft classes 518 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: the backdrop to the heart of the book, which is 519 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: about the process. And and with all the analytics and 520 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: the you know, in revenue and resources we throw at this, 521 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: it's we're still a league where a first round pick 522 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: is a fifty fifty crapshoot. And you would think that 523 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: would not be the case. And it's no better now 524 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: than it was twenty years ago. And the question is why, 525 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: what is it about the process? Is it a flawed process? 526 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: Is an impossible process? Are you you have no realistic 527 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: expectation of ever being above fifty fifty and and it 528 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: and where you fall on the side of the fifty 529 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: fifty affects you in the organization. I mean, if if 530 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: you fall on the downside of the fifty fifty, you 531 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: end up doing a lovely podcast with some guys from 532 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: Baltimore instead of coaching. Okay for that, if you end 533 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: up on the plus side of it, then then life's 534 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: good for a long time. And and so in looking 535 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: at that process um, we thought that the two thousand 536 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: eighteen class would be an excellent because of how many 537 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna be and the diversity of the in 538 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: the individuals each had positives and negatives around the question 539 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: of what does it take to play effective franchise play 540 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: at quarterback position in the NFL. You had Baker Mayfield 541 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: who had that, You had the emotional and mental questions 542 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: about whether he could transition that. Sam Donald had everything going, 543 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: big profile school, had all the mechanics, but the question 544 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: going is he never seems to step up in the 545 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: big moments and and and you have to look at that. 546 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen was all about the completion percentage, very much 547 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: like a Kyle Bowler and the and the you know, 548 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: the equivalenc He was very very real. Yet he has 549 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: now overcome that and shown that he can do that. 550 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, typical, typical, had everything going for him, bounced 551 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: around a number of different systems looked apart, but there 552 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: just wasn't a lot of substance there. And then Lamar 553 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: Jackson new people said that needs to be a wide receiver. 554 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: He can't stay healthy in the league. So each presented, 555 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: each organization had to look at their criteria and alter 556 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: it a little bit because there were nicks on all 557 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: of the guys, and charting that process is basically what 558 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: the Q factor is about. So what have you learned 559 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: if you could boil it down as to what is 560 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: the key in finding somebody at the college level who 561 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: will be a great NFL quarterback? You the biggest thing 562 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: in relationship to this group is I'm going to use 563 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: my mentor the late Danny Green used to say, you 564 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: know the famous they are who we thought we they are. Well, 565 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: when we looked at this draft and all the analysis 566 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: and everything you went through, at the end of the day, 567 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: they ended up being kind of who we thought they were. 568 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: Obviously in varying degrees and success. The difficulty in finding 569 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback who can play there's three air. There's 570 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: the physical, there's the mental and emotional, and then it's 571 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: aligning with the right team. Now physically, every draft bust. 572 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's Tim Couch, Vince Young, Jamacus Russell, 573 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Kille Smith, Ryan Leaf. The list goes on and on. Physically, 574 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: they could all play the game. None of them were 575 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: a physical bust in this league. What it ended up 576 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: being was either they didn't have the mental and emotional 577 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: what I call athletic arrogance to handle and show the 578 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: stability in those tense times, or they went to a 579 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: team that the wrong team, wrong place, wrong time, um 580 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: And you can debate whether one had the other or 581 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: the not. And so as you look at it now, 582 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: and this applies as to business as well. I talked 583 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: to a person in charge of talent procurement on a 584 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: multibillion dollar global retail company and she laid it out 585 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: beautifully and I'm doing it in my pie. I'm doing 586 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: a podcast around the Q factor as well, and and 587 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: she laid it out beautifully that you have to establish 588 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: the algorithms filters on what it is you want out 589 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: of this person, and you have to create non negotiables 590 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: by saying, she said that you can't let the process 591 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: alter it. And that's what happens in the NFL. You 592 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: create the filters and the perimeters, but then you talk 593 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: yourself out of it. And Kyle Bowler, we talked ourselves 594 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: out of the fact that the incompletions we could overcome that. Okay, 595 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: Um Baker Mayfield, they talked themselves into the fact, well 596 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: he will mature, you know, maybe he will, maybe he will. Uh. 597 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: The Ravens, to their credit, uh, in a positive way, 598 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: came outside the typical Well, you can't run a quarterback 599 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: that much in the NFL and win a strive. He 600 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: can't last. They said, fouie, We're gonna do it. We 601 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: don't care if he runs a hundred and seven times. 602 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: So it's establishing those non negotiables, which is so important, 603 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: and then sticking with it. And when you go away 604 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: from that is when you when when you typically get 605 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: into a problem. So it's extrapolating these basic things. The 606 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: other thing is it's a hard scale to decide what 607 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: is what are those non negotiables? What are the filters 608 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to use. Three of us could sit 609 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: here and and put a list together top ten quarterbacks 610 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: in the history of the game, and between us would 611 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: come up with twelve thirteen names. Okay. Then we'll then 612 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: let's say, okay, so what made him each great? Well, 613 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: it's the quick release of a Dan Marino, the pocket 614 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: Presidents and athleticism with Joe Montana and his accuracy, um 615 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: the pure ability to spin the ball like were in Moon, 616 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: the intelligence of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. So each 617 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: player has different qualities and different I was equitted to 618 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: watching when you watch them produce records. Now and there's 619 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: this huge board where you probably have, you know, these 620 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: huge boards right with all the levers with gain and 621 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: balance and trouble and this, that and the other, and 622 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: you produce award winning song and then you do a 623 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: second one. All those levels are different and what worked 624 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: as a level in one song doesn't work in another. Well, 625 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: same thing the combination of levels, and one player turns 626 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: into a Hall of Famer, but in another player that 627 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: some of the parts don't equal the whole. So to 628 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: identify and use one set criteria, you know, as Bill 629 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: Walsh used to say, sometimes you need to kick the 630 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: tripod the angle and the perspective you had. You need 631 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: to kick it to change the perspective to see, well, 632 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: maybe I will look at this a different way. But 633 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: you can't just do that arbitrarily, and then then that 634 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: has to become part of your non negotiable filters. Right, 635 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: So what was it that the Ravens saw in Lamar? 636 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: Jackson that everybody missed well, that all the the athleticism, 637 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: and let's keep in mind Lamar was going to be 638 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: a second round pick, which is the perfect place to 639 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: take a guy. Let's take a flyer, let's take a shot. 640 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll catch something here. You take it in 641 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the first round, you're saying, no, we're we're gonna, we're gonna, 642 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna win with this guy, because you can't miss 643 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: on a first round pick, particularly it's in the top 644 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: half of the draft. So you give the credits Race 645 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: the Ravens credit for taking the flyer, moving up to 646 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: take him ahead of the curve, which was a brilliant move. 647 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: And then you have to give John Hardball credit for 648 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: saying we'll wrap an offense around him, because that's a 649 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: that's a huge job. That's the element that most people 650 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: won't do. They'll do it in bits and pieces and 651 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: and even John and John will tell you and send 652 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: the book. I talked about it, and Eric talked about it, 653 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: because they went all in, and you've gotta give him 654 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: credit for it. My question was, if Lamar had not 655 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: shown up in the first season, Let's say Joe hangs 656 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: On plays just well enough, Lamar never gets in. You 657 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: go to the playoffs, she looks to the San Diego Okay, cool, No, 658 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: nothing changes, and you decided to make the move to Lamar, 659 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: would you have still been able to have the conviction 660 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: to now totally transform into an offense that we've not 661 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: seen in the NFL? And they were very honest and 662 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: said no, probably not. So what they fell into that 663 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: first year Lamar played and dabbled with this and that, 664 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: and at great effect of that gave them the confidence 665 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: to go, boy, let's do that. And so the next 666 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: team that wants to take a Lamar Jackson, the missing 667 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: component likely will be will you give yourself over to 668 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: that process and and utilize him in the same way, 669 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: knowing that then if he doesn't need get hurt. Now 670 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: you're going to get criticized and and run out of 671 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: town because you made the mistake of basing an offense 672 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,720 Speaker 1: on the quarterback who's gonna run the ball a hundred 673 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: seventy times. So there's there's a given take to this, 674 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: A plus and minus and where the Ravens have been 675 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve as they bought all in and 676 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: they're sticking with it. M Well, excellent, Ravens fans. You 677 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: can check out the book on Amazon is available and out. 678 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: It's the Q Factor and that's a little that's a 679 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: little tidbit. It's a little taste of what to expect 680 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: in the book and I look forward to checking it 681 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: out and reading it. And Coach thanks so much for 682 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: the time. Really good perspective on Yeah, where the Rams 683 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: are and it's good to catch up with you all 684 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: rank you this season. When you trade up to RAM trucks, 685 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: you're getting power, luxgurgen and technology like you never imagine. 686 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: You don't become the back to back motor trend truck 687 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: of the year for nothing. And with the Ram Fitteen 688 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: hundred you can get a lot of everything. 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I would love to even, you know, 699 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: pick his brain even more. One thing that I've always 700 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: been interested in and you see this with Lamar Jackson, 701 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: and it's hard to put I think measure of this 702 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons why he talks about 703 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: it being a crap shoot. One thing that I feel 704 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: like I've seen is that guys who love football, like 705 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: who truly love the game, seem to have a better 706 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: success rate of panning out. And that's just my own 707 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: like eyeball test, but Lamar Jackson is a guy who 708 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: absolutely loves the game and wants to find ways to 709 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: be better. Um. And that you know, you gotta have 710 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: the physical, you've gotta have the mental capability, but that 711 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: love for the game, I think it's something that's that's 712 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: important and maybe not discussing. Was it Marcus Peters this 713 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: all season was like, yeah, most of these quarterbacks out 714 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: here just to get paid. Yeah, it was. I think 715 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: it was our guy, which was just a great quote 716 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: and kind of speaks to your point. Anyway, we gotta 717 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: we have an email, well, you know we I do 718 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to our guy Daniels 719 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: who sent us a couple of emails. But more importantly 720 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: than sending us emails, he sent us so much needed Yes, 721 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: you know out after a week like this, you needed that. 722 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: We needed the beer, and that is what was most 723 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: important with the emails. So we got to give a 724 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: shout out to our guy Daniel Mills. Were coming up 725 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: in the clutch with the with the Raven Brewing, perfect name, 726 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: perfect place, the hot chocolate Porter. I mean that is 727 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: really uh money. But he said that they didn't have 728 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: the pumpky beer. So but but the hot chocolate Porter. 729 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: It's still seasonal time. You know, it's cool. It's getting cool. Hey, Garret, 730 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: guess who speaking to Daniel Mills? Who's in my fantasy 731 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: league that you rejected? Guess who's Guess who's three? And 732 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: oh the better lounge host that too. Anyway, congratulations, congratulations podcast. 733 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: I have to make sure and keep you updated. Um. Anyway, 734 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: before we wrap this up, we do want to give 735 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: you a taste of another podcast that the Ravens are 736 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: launching with our guy Clifton Brown. This is Black in 737 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: the NFL. The first episode is gonna drop on October six, 738 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be called shut Up and Play, in 739 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: which Cliff is gonna dive into what athletes and NFL 740 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: players go through when they're told that their opinion on 741 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: especially about race, does not matter. Uh. And I'm telling you, Garrett, 742 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: this podcast is really really good. Excellent conversation with Dr 743 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: Harry Edwards in the first episode, Robert Griffin the third 744 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: and Nate Boyer, who was the guy who consulted with 745 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick before he knelt. Really good interviews. Uh. In 746 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: Clifton's Clifton is bringing it on his first podcast. So 747 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: as a little teaser, we're gonna give you a clip 748 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: from Black in the NFL Episode one. When I covered 749 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: my first NFL game, I'm not there some people staring 750 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: at me when I took my seat in the press 751 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: box in Miami. I knew why they didn't expect to 752 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: see a black reporter covering an NFL game. I looked 753 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: to my left, looked to my right, and saw no 754 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: other sports writers who looked like me. Nearly forty years later, 755 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: there have been many changes in sports and society, but 756 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: a lot hasn't changed. Welcome to Black in the NFL. 757 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Clifton Brown. In my forty years as 758 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: a sportswriter, including nineteen years at the New York Times, 759 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: I've had conversations with legendary athletes like Michael Jordan and 760 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, and with today's young stars like Lamar Jackson, 761 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 1: now from Baltimore working for the Ravens. I will examine 762 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: what it's like to be black in the NFL, looking 763 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: at the experience from many different angles and with many 764 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: different voices. Certainly sent of NFL players are black. The 765 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: Ravens have a black MVP quarterback, they hired the first 766 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: black general manager, Ozzie Newsome, and they have one of 767 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: the NFL's most black fan basis. Yet Ray still impacts 768 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: the NFL in unique and challenging ways, whether it's noticed 769 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: or unnoticed, spoken or unspoken. The time has come for 770 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: us to speak about it. This inaugural episode of Black 771 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: and the NFL is entitled Shut Up and Play, and 772 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: my guests are Nate Boyer, Dr. Harry Edwards, and Robert Griffin. 773 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: The third Bowyer is a white former Green Beret who 774 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: has met face to face with Colin Kaepernick to discuss 775 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: his protests during the national anthem. As someone who served 776 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: this country with honor. Boyer was skeptical at first about 777 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: Kaepernick's motives and methods, but after their emotional face to 778 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: face discussion in two thousand and sixteen, Boers suggested the 779 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: Kaepernick that he should kneel, not sit during the anthem, 780 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: setting the Stag's for a former protest that continues today. 781 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: If you're white and don't understand why so many black 782 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: NFL players won't shut up and play, I encourage you 783 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: to wait one minute and listen to my interview with Boyer. 784 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: Let's get started with my conversation with Boyer, who can 785 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: talk from a veteran's perspective about the right of NFL 786 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: players not to just shut up and play. Before you 787 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: had a conversation with Colin Kaepernick, you saw him sitting 788 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: on the bench and didn't fully understand what he was doing. 789 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: Can you talk about what you were thinking about at 790 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: that time before you talk to him. What were your 791 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: impressions of him when he first saw her that he 792 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: was sitting for the anthem. I saw this image of 793 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: him sitting on the bench, and all I read was 794 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: the headline, maybe a sound bite of you know, him 795 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 1: saying I'm not going to stand for the flag of 796 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: a country that oppresses black people and people of color. 797 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: And I, honestly I took that initially is like, well, 798 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: you know, I've been to some pretty oppressive places in 799 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: the world, uh, and spent a good amount of my 800 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: life there, you know, from the Middle East to Africa 801 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: to other places where there is a genocide and a 802 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: totally different perspective and experience of what oppression is like. 803 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: And so I almost felt offended that that word was used. Um. 804 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: And I also had this kind of narrow minded outlook, 805 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: as if I am the one who has sort of 806 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: an authority on what the definition of oppression is or 807 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: what the definition of the quality is, and of course 808 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: seeing that through a white person's lens. Regardless of how 809 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: to open minded we may think we are, it's impossible 810 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: to actually fully empathize and understand. You can try, you 811 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: can do your best, but unless you've lived that experience, 812 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 1: you don't know. And I didn't know. And you know, 813 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: I've heard people say things like they know what it's 814 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: like to go to war that that have never put 815 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: on a you know, a military uniform or whatever, and 816 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: and that's not fair either, And so like for me, 817 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: it was just it was a moment for myself, a 818 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: big learning moment, teaching momentum through Colin and through so 819 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: many others. And I'm still learning, and I'm still trying 820 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: of like understanding that that my perspective and my emotions 821 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: and feelings are purely based on my experiences. And for 822 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: me to pretend that I know what it's like for 823 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: someone else or to know how hard it is for 824 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: somebody else because I see them as a certain way 825 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: or in a certain light, it's just it's very unfair. Specifically, 826 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: why did you suggest that you thought it would be 827 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: a good idea for him to kneel rather than sitting 828 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: on the bench. Well, well, Colin asked me if I 829 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: thought there was another way that he could protest that 830 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't offend people in the military. And this was at 831 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: at the end of our conversation. We both realized we 832 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: had a lot more in common than we had different. 833 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: We had a good amount of respect for one another, 834 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he understood when I said, look, 835 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: this is this is how a lot of people from 836 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: where I stand kind of take things, you know, because 837 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: we have a different relationship and experience when it comes 838 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: to those symbols and what they do represent to us, 839 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: and they aren't symbols of oppression and too too much 840 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: of the world, they're symbols of pope, you know, uh, 841 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: specifically the you know, the the American flag and uh. 842 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: And he understood that, and he said, but that's not 843 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: that's not really an accurate portrayal in my eyes. And 844 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: I was like, that's fair, you know, I mean that 845 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: is that is that's the fair that's a fair assumption, 846 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: um or not even an assumption. That's a fair viewpoint 847 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: coming from you. And so he said, look, I don't 848 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: want to hurt. I don't want you to hurt. I 849 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: have a great respect for for what you did and 850 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: when so many others did. And uh. He said, so 851 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 1: is there something else like you think I could do 852 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: that wouldn't offend these people? I said, no, there's not. 853 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: No matter what you do, somebody's gonna be offended. That's 854 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: just the reality. But if you're asking my opinion, and 855 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: this is just Nate speaking, I don't speak for the 856 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: veteran community or anything like that. I said, I think 857 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: being alongside your teammates is the most important thing you 858 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: and not not kind of sitting back by yourself isolated. 859 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: I think that is that is a great uh uh, 860 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: I'm a great symbolism. I guests for our country, for um, 861 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: for so many of us that aren't willing to listen 862 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: to someone with a different perspective. Because you and I 863 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: don't see eye eye on everything, Colin, but we're here 864 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: talking and we're cool. And uh, I said, so, if 865 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: you're committed to not standing said, and if you're willing 866 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: to be alongside your teammates, I think kneeling is the 867 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,240 Speaker 1: only thing that makes logistical sense really uh. And also 868 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,479 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a respectful gesture. I've never seen 869 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: kneeling as anything but respectful. You know, we kneel to 870 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: pray and proposed to our future spouse. And um, when 871 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: of one of players on the player on the field 872 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: is hurting a football game, the players taking kneel and 873 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: taking knee out of respect, and when I go to 874 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: all And to visit my fallen brothers, I take a 875 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: knee in front of a grave respect So, um, I 876 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: think that would be a good option. And he actually 877 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: agreed and that night he took a knee and I 878 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: stood right next to you know, that's sort of where 879 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: that all came from. All right, we'll really good stuff. 880 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,399 Speaker 1: Make sure that you search that wherever you get your podcasts. 881 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: Black in the NFL, that's the search for you subscribe, 882 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: tell your friends about it, give us a rating and 883 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: review while you're in there. Uh, these really important conversations 884 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: that we need to be having as a country in sports. Uh, 885 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: so make sure you give that a listen and tell 886 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: your friends. So thanks for listening. And also we're gonna 887 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: get Cliff back on the Lounge to talk about We're 888 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: gonna get him back on the Lounge next week to 889 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: talk about the launch of Black in the NFL. And 890 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: then as always, you know, it's we haven't had Clifton 891 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: on the Lounge in a while and and he's the 892 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: third you know, unofficial members. So it's been disappointed, but 893 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: we need to make that happen. That's that's true. What 894 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: what what's uh? The common man? He's the Judge's comments 895 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: out comment is terrible, common man. Come man's got the book. 896 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: Clifton has moved past the common as the remember of 897 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: the lounge. He's the judge and uh, we're looking forward 898 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: to talking with him next week. So again, make sure 899 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: you check out that podcast. Thanks so much for listening. 900 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: We will be back with you next week. After what Ryan, 901 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: We're going to get into Washington, Gwin in Washington,