WEBVTT - The Little Rascals with Tariq Ra'ouf

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>The questions asked if movies have.

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<v Speaker 1>Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn bast

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<v Speaker 1>start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>I call this meeting of the the man Hating Bechdel

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<v Speaker 2>Cast Club.

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<v Speaker 1>To order, O tay otay. That was my takeaway. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my takeaway. Welcome to the bechel Cast AKA. Some

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<v Speaker 1>critics would say the man Hating Club, O tay.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Droonte.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our show where we examine movies through an

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<v Speaker 2>intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test simply as a

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<v Speaker 2>jumping off point. It's not the focus of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We just use it to launch bigger conversations about little

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<v Speaker 2>boys who hate women.

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<v Speaker 1>And little boys who like women but are a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. The Bechtel Test, of course, being a media metric

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<v Speaker 2>created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel

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<v Speaker 2>Wallace Test, it has many versions. Ours is do two

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<v Speaker 2>characters of a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak

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<v Speaker 2>to each other? And is their conversation about something other

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<v Speaker 2>than a man. Ideally, we like it when the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>is like narratively relevant and not just like throwaway dialogue.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll figure out if the he man women hating characters

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<v Speaker 2>of this movie past the Bechdel test. But yeah, today's

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<v Speaker 2>episode is The Little Rascals nineteen ninety four, directed by

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<v Speaker 2>Penelope Spherus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think our second Penelope Spherus on the show

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<v Speaker 1>because we also did Wayne's World.

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<v Speaker 2>M we sure did. Today we have a wonderful guest

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<v Speaker 2>with us to discuss the movie. We're very excited. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a writer and journalist. It's Tarak rove Hi. Welcome. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>you brought us this movie. Tell us about your relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>your history, et cetera with it. I love how we

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<v Speaker 2>start ours by being like, you brought us this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So why why.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did you make me watch this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well explain yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know, it was really fond of it for

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<v Speaker 3>such a long time. I remember watching it as a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember watching it just being in awe and like,

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<v Speaker 3>I specifically remember the pickle scene, like remembering the pickle

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<v Speaker 3>scene as a kid, being like I love pickles, I

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<v Speaker 3>love the pickle dance. And like it just was a

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<v Speaker 3>fun time and I and I was like, I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>seen the Little Rascals in years. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that on your on your most requested list.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, m hm, yeah, let's let's do it,

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<v Speaker 3>especially because I I kind of remembered that they were

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<v Speaker 3>in a club and it realized quite how women hating

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<v Speaker 3>their club was. Until I was watching, I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it would be a really fascinating movie to

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<v Speaker 3>dissect from this lens it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I also didn't remember the extent to which like gender

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<v Speaker 2>politics plays into this children's movie. It's yeah, wild, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I went into this viewing being like, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a breeze. It's a kid's movie, eighty minutes long, amazing, great,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, within the first two minutes you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to lock the fuck in, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a text.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a big movie of your childhood tark right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, like I think I was, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was probably I was born in ninety one, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember when this movie came out, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>like roughly around like the same age as these kids,

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<v Speaker 3>I think when it came out, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I came out. I remember this being like a

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<v Speaker 1>very popular like VHS pick. This came out in ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was ninety four.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I was like I was definitely like in

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<v Speaker 3>the age range of like Alfalfa. Like when I watched it,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, I like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, some of the kids are like they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be like like Buckwheat and Porky are like four

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<v Speaker 2>maybe five years old Alfalfa and some of the older

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<v Speaker 2>kids are like nine. But yeah, because I'm the same

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<v Speaker 2>age as like the actors who played Alfalfa and Waldo

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of the other ones, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Made the mistake of being like, what is Alfalfa up

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<v Speaker 1>to today?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, don't do that, don't google him.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I mean, well, just I don't want to. Let

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that, I don't want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a long story short, it's a bumber. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>bummer bug hall Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Bug a Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what a fun name. Wonder what he's

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<v Speaker 1>up to. Don't recommend, don't recommend finding out when he's

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<v Speaker 1>up to anyways, we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Circle back, sure for sure, But Yeah. This was also

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<v Speaker 2>a big movie of my childhood, and I watched it

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<v Speaker 2>a ton as a kid, probably from like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four to ninety seven, and then that's when Titanic

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<v Speaker 2>came out, so I pretty much only was watching that

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<v Speaker 2>for many years. Same, but I rewatched this movie recently,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of apropos of nothing. I was like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>on a streaming platform. This is a movie I used

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<v Speaker 2>to love as a kid, and I rewatched it probably

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<v Speaker 2>like a year ago. It's pretty recently. Did not remember

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<v Speaker 2>most of it. I do very distinctly remember the scene

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<v Speaker 2>where the I guess it's four kids, two of them

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<v Speaker 2>are stacked on the shoulders of two others. They go

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<v Speaker 2>into the bank to try to get alone. Did not

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<v Speaker 2>remember it was from mel Brooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is kind of the I mean, as we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the cameo situation. This movie really runs the gamut

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<v Speaker 1>of kinds of cameos. Some age great, one really doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>One does not know because he's not our fascist dictator

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<v Speaker 2>of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my jaw dropped when I saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was and unfortunately at the time I can see

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<v Speaker 1>why it made perfect sense. You're just like, fuck, that

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<v Speaker 1>was in our lifetimes. Anyways, Well, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Made a few cameos in different movies alone too, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he's also in Zulander. As we discussed recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Right inescapable. But baby, Raven Simone, you're just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yes, I love that. I had to pause. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, what I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like all the famous trousers of the day. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, they got they got the they brought

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<v Speaker 1>it in the heavy hitters. Although I will say so

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<v Speaker 1>none of the cameos have names. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>Raven Simone is credited as Steimy's girlfriend at the club,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes it sound like she's twenty five and not

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit the clerb.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, no one's gonna no one's gonna clock this. But

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<v Speaker 3>the little sister from Smart House was also in this,

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<v Speaker 3>which I recognized her. She was like very tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, well spotted because we've covered we've

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<v Speaker 1>covered Smart House.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah you got you got Riba Riba in

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<v Speaker 1>her second best cameo after Barbin Star go to Visa

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<v Speaker 1>del Mar. Oh my gosh, right, that's her best one.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got WHOOPI Goldberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a great one. Daryl Hannah, who I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize as Daryl Hannah, but then I realized and I smiled.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow the end, I feel like maybe that's why we

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<v Speaker 3>remember this movie so well. As partly it's just because

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<v Speaker 3>like we remember all the stars and we were like

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<v Speaker 3>in awe from it, and then we didn't remember any

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<v Speaker 3>of the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I again, I didn't remember the they were in a

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<v Speaker 2>he man woman haters club and that that was like

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<v Speaker 2>a huge focal point of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I was curious if okay, so that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that did not stick with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little ashamed to say that. As I was

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<v Speaker 3>watching this film, I thought to myself, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this movie's really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thank you for some light defenses of this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I will you know it does does it fix feminism

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<v Speaker 2>the way it tries to claim that it does at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, I would say, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't work for bug Hall. He's a member of the

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<v Speaker 1>he Man Woman Hating Club to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes, which is ironic because Alfalfa is the only boy

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<v Speaker 2>in the club who loves women.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I have but I have some thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>Alfalfa and his little boner haircut. Oh my god, how

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<v Speaker 1>many boner drugs are going to be in this movie?

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<v Speaker 1>Starring seven year old?

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<v Speaker 3>It was still a little uncomfortable. It was a little

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<v Speaker 3>Reba McIntire saying like like, are you is that a hair?

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<v Speaker 3>A hairla? Or you just happy to see me?

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<v Speaker 2>Was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Years old.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a child, you're speaking to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Read the room. A lot of the jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, in this movie are like comedy gold. The joke

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<v Speaker 2>writing in this movie is largely very fun. I like

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<v Speaker 2>Penelope Spears as a comedy director. There's lots to discuss,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, we'll get there. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Kaitlyn, you're rarely the defender of the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>This is exciting. So this is a childhood favorite of

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<v Speaker 1>yours that you recently revisited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Jamie, what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I had not seen this one. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I've found that I mix it up constantly with the

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<v Speaker 1>Sandlot because the posters look very similar. But no, I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen it before, and it's like it's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>little movie. I didn't hate it, and I didn't hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's my review. I didn't hate it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is like pretty fucking impressive that Penelope Spheeris

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<v Speaker 1>pulled off a movie this like vast with a cast

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<v Speaker 1>this young, because like the kids are doing okay, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna get a star every time, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, I think they're kind of batting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for ten.

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<v Speaker 1>No offense to the kids, except actually the fancy the

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<v Speaker 1>fancy little kid, I like Stymy and the fancy boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, they they were they were cooking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you mean Waldo Alo Wishous Johnston the third.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, fancy McCaulay culkin is how I refer

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<v Speaker 1>to my notes. For a second, I was like, is

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<v Speaker 1>it no? But McCaulay culkin played Ritchie Rich around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also found.

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<v Speaker 1>It interesting, like looking back at because I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the Little Rascals had history. I didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>like over one hundred years of history. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>some some notes on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's you know, I think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like an interesting way to adapt it for the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that these like little Newsy kids live in

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<v Speaker 1>la in nineteen ninety four and that's just cannon Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's sweet. Yeah, it didn't really solve feminism, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's nice that it thought it did.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was trying for something.

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<v Speaker 3>Does I think it solves feminism? Is that when the

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<v Speaker 3>movie stands, you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually think so. But at the end when

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, women, you're allowed in our club in

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<v Speaker 2>which we hate women. You're welcome here now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, I don't see them getting leadership positions

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what they're basically framed is like the

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriends now, which I have a whole shpielan. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, Stimey's girlfriend at the club. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 1>club we all vam or what is the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that it? No, wait, I don't know. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're talking about. It's just funny to hear

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<v Speaker 1>it from you and the clerb.

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<v Speaker 3>We all sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, let's take a quick break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back for the recap. And we're back. We're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the recap of the Little Rascals nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>A little boy named Spanky. The names in this incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we got we gotta bring that back.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids name Spanky, kids named Froggy, kids named Porky and

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<v Speaker 2>Buckwheat and Alfalfa and wim.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they all have Looney Tunes names.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Spanky sends a note around town via pd

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<v Speaker 2>the Dog to announce an emergency meeting of some sort.

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<v Speaker 2>This note is seen by a kid named Stymy when

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<v Speaker 2>he's playing baseball. Then a kid named Froggy at his house.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's his name because he has a very

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<v Speaker 2>like raspy froggy voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I no offense to Little Rascals defenders. I found

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<v Speaker 1>so obnoxious and distracted it hard to listen to. Not

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<v Speaker 1>the kid's fault, but I was like, Okay, yeah, not

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like I hope that this is the movie

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<v Speaker 1>that breaks the podcast. I hope the little I hope

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<v Speaker 1>the Little Rascals do us end.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is going to end in blood and tears.

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<v Speaker 2>No swee be Froggy.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Pete goes to two kids who are fishing, Porky

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<v Speaker 2>and Buckwheat. Then eventually the boys the Little Rascals gather

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<v Speaker 2>at their clubhouse for a meeting at the Clerb At

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<v Speaker 2>the Clerb House, uh huh, for a meeting for the

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<v Speaker 2>he Man Woman Haters Club they recite their oath, which states,

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<v Speaker 2>I do solemnly swear to be a he man and

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<v Speaker 2>hate women and not play with them or talk to

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<v Speaker 2>them unless I have to, and especially never fall in love.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it goes on about what the punishments are

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<v Speaker 2>and blah blah blah. A character named uh huh who

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<v Speaker 2>seems to only say uh huh, takes minutes from the meeting. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>outside to bullies who are not allowed in the club.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, having great great bully names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, butch and wom And I'm like, is that like

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<v Speaker 2>worm but in a.

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<v Speaker 1>In like baby noozies?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 3>Get right.

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<v Speaker 2>The two bullies talk about how they're looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>beating the Rascals in an upcoming go kart race with

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<v Speaker 2>their go kart, which is called the Beast. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 2>little Rascal's go kart, the Blur, is their club's pride

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<v Speaker 2>and joy. They pay respects to it and to their hero,

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<v Speaker 2>their idol, a race car driver named A J. Ferguson,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, he's the best race car driver that

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<v Speaker 2>ever lived. Then they select a name out of a

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<v Speaker 2>hat to see who's going to drive the Blur in

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<v Speaker 2>the upcoming go kart race and the name that they

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<v Speaker 2>select is Alsalfa, who is not there at the meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>They discover that Alfalfa is secretly spending time with his girlfriend, Darla, because,

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<v Speaker 2>unlike the other members of the he Man Woman Haters Club,

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<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa is sensitive and romantic and he loves women. And

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<v Speaker 2>Darla is like, well, then why the fuck are you

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<v Speaker 2>in this ridiculous misogyny club.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Darla. I love Darla so much. Darla takes

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<v Speaker 1>no nonsense from these little boys. She has no time

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<v Speaker 1>for them. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>She doesn't very grown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's so grown, despite being like four years old

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<v Speaker 2>when production started, so little.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so tiny and you can just hear I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the blooperrial was so cute because you're like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>these kids are these kids are are just like hanging

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<v Speaker 1>on by their little fingernails trying to remember these sentences.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cute. And Darla's little blooperrial segment at the end.

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<v Speaker 3>Is like, stop looking at the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so cute. I have a whole spiel about the

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<v Speaker 2>age difference between her and her various love interests, but

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get we'll get to it. Wow, okay. So Alfalfa

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<v Speaker 2>tells Darla that he's going to take her on a picnic,

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<v Speaker 2>and she suggests they have it at his clubhouse so

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<v Speaker 2>that he can prove that he's not ashamed of her

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<v Speaker 2>and that he's proud of her. So the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa goes to pick up Darla, he's attacked by a

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<v Speaker 2>dog that belongs to Waldo. Aloisious Johnston the Third, a

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<v Speaker 2>rich kid who absolutely sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, he's so funny, and I hate it. It is

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<v Speaker 1>it feels very nineties that they make a little social

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<v Speaker 1>statement with what a piece of shit he is. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>they go out of their way to be like he's

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<v Speaker 1>a mini oil baron and you're like, what a detail,

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<v Speaker 1>what a detail to just have there. I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>And produces a great joke where yeah, he's like, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad just bought the local oil refinery and Darla's like,

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<v Speaker 2>that explains why you're so refined in Alfalfa and why

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<v Speaker 2>you're so oily.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hilarious as those are good. The jokes are good,

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<v Speaker 1>the good jokes, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, thank you. Okay, So Waldo sucks, but he takes

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<v Speaker 2>a liking to Darla to Alfalfa's dismay. Alfalfa and Darla

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<v Speaker 2>go on a candlelight picnic the clubhouse the clubhouse, but

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<v Speaker 2>the little rascals sabotage it by putting a whoopee cushion

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<v Speaker 2>under Alfalfa. They put kitty litter in their sandwiches, all

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff, and then they start like banging

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<v Speaker 2>on the door. So Alfalfa hurriedly shoes Darla away and

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<v Speaker 2>tries to clean everything up, but he accidentally doesn't blow

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<v Speaker 2>out one of the candles, so the clubhouse catches fire.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids try to put out the fire, but the

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<v Speaker 2>clubhouse burns down.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this sequence when they're the little baby firefighters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cute, cute.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the entire time, I'm just like, where are

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<v Speaker 3>any of the adults? The adults like they they they

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<v Speaker 3>just don't exist in this worl These.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids are never home.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of love the like just lot because it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was worried that they're gonna like single out

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<v Speaker 1>specific kids, but it's just like, this is a world

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<v Speaker 1>with no parents, except at the end when you see

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<v Speaker 1>that they do have parents and they look exactly like them,

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<v Speaker 1>but bigger and I liked that joke a lot, Like

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<v Speaker 1>these parents are are bad at their job, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I feel like it is like this like

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy for like people of our generation to be as

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<v Speaker 1>loose as the little rascals are.

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<v Speaker 3>Do whatever you want, live life without a care in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, without any adults. You know, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents have no idea. You've organized a hate group.

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<v Speaker 2>Underground.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't used to know these things, right, And these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Are like not going home for what seems like days

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<v Speaker 2>at a time. They're just sort of like sleeping out

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<v Speaker 2>at the club house.

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<v Speaker 1>Maroon Alfalfa fishing out on a lake on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does feel like this. This takes place in

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<v Speaker 1>the South one hundred years ago, but also in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles in the nineties, and both reads are correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, for sure. It's great. Okay, so the house

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<v Speaker 2>is burnt down. Meanwhile, because Alfalfa had tried to hide Darla,

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<v Speaker 2>she realizes that he is ashamed of her, so she

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<v Speaker 2>dumps his ass and leaves with that rich prick Waldo.

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<v Speaker 3>Hie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's I wrote down. This is very specific,

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<v Speaker 1>but it reminded me of when Jane Fonda divorced her

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<v Speaker 1>activist husband and married Ted Turner. Wow, Jane Fonda heads

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<v Speaker 1>will well know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they still married?

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<v Speaker 1>No, she divorces ass too. She's I mean, she's the best,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was married to Ted Turner.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is why suspicious truly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In any case, the rascals put Alfalfa on trial and

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<v Speaker 2>then on probation, and his punishment is to guard their

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<v Speaker 2>go kart the Blur day and night, and he can

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<v Speaker 2>never talk to, or see or think about Darla ever again.

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<v Speaker 2>So that night, when Alfalfa's guarding the go kart, all

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<v Speaker 2>the boys join him for a little sleepover in a

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<v Speaker 2>tent and they're talking about why they think girls are gross. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Darla is having a sleepover with her girl friends and

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking about why they think boys are gross. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a really fun like intercut scene. The next day, the

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<v Speaker 2>boys get to work on rebuilding their clubhouse, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the money for lumber, which they try to

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<v Speaker 2>buy from Norm from Cheers, so a few of them

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<v Speaker 2>go into a bank. This is the scene that I

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<v Speaker 2>distinctly remember from watching this as a kid. They're like

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<v Speaker 2>stacked on each other's shoulders and they try to get

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<v Speaker 2>a bank loan from mel Brooks, which he denies them. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a scene where Alfalfa writes a love note and

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<v Speaker 2>then has Buckwheat and Porky deliver it to Darla. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's this whole comedy of errors situation where Darla ends

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<v Speaker 2>up even more mad at Alfalfa because there's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the misinterpretation of what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was interesting that that whole gag is

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<v Speaker 1>predicated on you have to be able to read to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I don't think the target audience

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<v Speaker 1>of this movie can read yet. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, let me say I was eight when the

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<v Speaker 2>movie came out, and I knew how to read at

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<v Speaker 2>age eight.

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<v Speaker 1>That's free.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, I don't remember that joke at all, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember ever knowing what that letter said, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I ever even understood what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening in that scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can like cut this. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>movie based on vibes. She ends up mattering absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to show this movie to my niece, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she reads well enough yet to

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<v Speaker 1>get the joke.

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<v Speaker 2>She's five. Yeah, Well, it turns out you won't get

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<v Speaker 2>any of the jokes when you're eight or maybe even ten,

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<v Speaker 2>so who knows. I truly was like, oh, there are

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<v Speaker 2>like a dozen jokes that I never understood as a

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<v Speaker 2>kid that I had to wait till adulthood.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like Shrek in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow makes you think, That makes you think really really hard. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So Darla's even more mad at Alfalfa. So Alfalfa goes

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<v Speaker 2>to Darla's ballet recital to try to clear things up,

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<v Speaker 2>but Spanky insists on going with him to ensure that

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<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa breaks up with Darla once and for all. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>the two bullies Butch and Woim distract Buckwheat and Porky,

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<v Speaker 2>who are guarding the Blur in this moment, so that

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<v Speaker 2>they can steal the go kart, but the little rascals

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<v Speaker 2>had set up a like Rube Goldberg pickle trap, so

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<v Speaker 2>they are unsuccessful at stealing the Blur. Back at the recital,

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<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa and Spanky dress as girls in like wigs and

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<v Speaker 2>tutus in order to hide from Butch and Womb, and

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<v Speaker 2>then while they're still in like little girl drag, Alfalfa

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<v Speaker 2>and Spanky talk to Darla, who doesn't realize she's talking

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<v Speaker 2>to these boys, and she's like, oh, here, take my handkerchief.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I remember Alfalfa. He took the best years

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. Hilarious joke. And then she also says

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<v Speaker 2>like I couldn't resist his singing voice because that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>all pay off later. Then Alfalfa and Spanky get shuffled

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<v Speaker 2>in with the other ballerinas who are about to go

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<v Speaker 2>on stage. They perform in the recital, they ruin it,

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<v Speaker 2>which infuriates the instructor aka Leah Thompson aka Lorraine from

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the Future. She chases them out, but oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>the bullies are waiting for them, so they start chasing Alfalfa.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in his underwear, by the way, because there was

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<v Speaker 2>like a frog in his tutu. This the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, YadA YadA, frog twuto you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, And I'm like, why are we making kids

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<v Speaker 2>run around in their underwear on screen? Anyway, he runs

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<v Speaker 2>into Darla and Waldo, who are like lounging by the

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<v Speaker 2>pool drinking cocktails. They're getting fucked up in.

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<v Speaker 3>The hot tub with umbrellas and like, like, what are

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<v Speaker 3>you drinking?

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 2>It's it is funny, but it's also just goofy as hell,

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and they see him naked. They see Alfalfa naked and

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>it's weird. Meanwhile, the other little Rascals head to a

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 2>fair to try to raise money to rebuild their clubhouse.

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Then back at the burnt down clubhouse, Alfalfa finds the

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 2>checklist that his friends were using to sabotage his picnic

0:25:55.200 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>with Darla, and Alfalfa realizes that they and especially are

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<v Speaker 2>to blame for Darla hating Alfalfa, so he takes off

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 2>in the blur to confront Spanky at the fair. Back

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<v Speaker 2>at the fair, Buckwee and Porky have scammed people into

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<v Speaker 2>paying admission for a free talent show.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen. I would have paid for the four foot tall

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 3>man eating chicken.

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Also such a good joke because you think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be eat a chicken who eats men men?

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 3>But if I gotta scammed out of that, I'd be like,

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 3>you know what, you it exactly? I was.

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I was shocked at how long it took me to

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>figure out what that choke So funny, it's really funny.

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this is when we see Darryl Hannah. She

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is like the coordinator of the talent show, named Miss Crabtree.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 2>She discovers this ruse and reprimands the boys, although Spanky

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 2>makes a suggestion for what to do with the money,

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>which is to award it to whoever wins first place

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 2>at the upcoming go Kart derby. Then Alfalfa arrives at

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the fair where Waldo and Darla are singing a duet

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>in the talent show. Alfalfa also performs a song, knowing

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 2>that Darla melts when she hears his singing voice, although

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Waldo sabotages the performance by putting like dish soap into

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa's glass of water, so he's like blowing bubbles and

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Darla's like, you suck Alfalfa.

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 3>I remember this part too, and I'm being like, wow,

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 3>so cool.

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Look when you're five, it is so cute. It's cute.

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and maybe you want to drink dish soap and burn.

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Honestly a lot of things. I was like, I want

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to build a Rube Goldberg pickle machine.

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 3>I also wanted an etch A sketch because of how

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 3>well they drew that at there in that car.

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So meanwhile, the bullies butch and Wims steal

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the Blur while it's parked outside the fair, and then

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>after Alfalfa's performance, he and Spanky get in a huge

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>fight and Alfalfa storms off and all the little rascals

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 2>are sad, but then they eventually make up and all

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 2>the boys reconvene and get to work on building a

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>new go kart for the Derby. The Blur Too colon

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the sequel, or as I like to call it, an

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 2>extremely blurry gok kurt.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes exactly, exactly, yes, and.

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>They build it out of like a trash can and

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>washing machine parts and other random little do dads. Cut

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>to the Derby, Alfalfa and Spanky are together in their

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>new go krt, the Blur Too, an extremely blurry go kart.

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Several other drivers are there, such as Butch and Woim

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>in the stolen Blur with a new paint job. Waldo

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and Darla are in like Waldo's rich kid go kart.

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Darla is starting to realize how much

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Waldo sucks. Yeah, Reba McIntyre is there, is the announcer.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>She makes a boner choke to a child and we're like.

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Was that normal in nineteen ninety four or was it

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>weird then too? If we don't know, I think it was.

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>More normal back then. Also, as we mentioned, our fascist

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>American president slash dictator Donald Trump is there as Waldo's father,

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>what Pe Goldberger's there. The race begins, There's some confusion

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and for a while, like Alfalfa and Spanky and the

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>bullies and Waldo and Darla accidentally go the wrong way

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and get separated from the other racers. Waldo tries to

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>sabotage Alfalfa and Spanky's go cart, so Darla is like,

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>fuck you, Waldo, I'm done with you, so he pulls

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 2>over to let her out of the go kart. Then

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the bullies try to sabotage Alfalfa and Spanky, but then

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>it seems like Waldo helps them, but we can't super

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>tell because they're wearing a helmet that obscures their face,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>so we don't know exactly who it is, but we

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's supposed to be Waldo.

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>My gosh, and then get ready for a classic trope.

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Then the race is almost over. They're almost across the

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>finish line, and Alfalfa and Spanky win by a hair

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>literally because it's Alfalfa's little spike thing that crosses the

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>finish line first, and then they realize that the person

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>who helped them was not Waldo because they take off

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>their helmet and it's.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Darla, good good, good, good girl.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. The person you thought was a man

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>because they're doing a traditionally masculine activity is actually a woman. Astonished,

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it.

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>The joke here is that a girl, well kid drive right.

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>So Darla has forgiven Alfalfa after realizing his devotion to her. Also,

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa and Spanky win the five hundred dollars cash prize,

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 2>which means that they can finally rebuild their clubhouse. They

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:20.959
<v Speaker 2>also learn that their idol, A J. Ferguson, is a

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>whoa whoa whoa whoa woman.

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I know, great twist from Riba.

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>And because of all of this, they make an amendment

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>to their club. They are still the he Man Woman

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Haters Club, but now they allow women to join. We

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 2>see the Little Rascals along with Darla and her friends

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>along with the Raven Simone.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Raving Simone Stany's girlfriend at the.

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Club exactly, and they're now coexisting in harmony because the

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Little rast Gals fixed misogyny question.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Mark or just made it more inclusive. They're like, we

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>are now, I mean it kind of is like a

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of like right wing movements right now. We're like,

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>we're also allowing the targets of our hatred to join

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the group. And you're like, okay, do.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 3>They also become women haters?

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Unclear? Well right, like many such cases internalized misogyny, which

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of girls, especially in this era,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>were you know, socialized to have so could be.

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Do they become TERFs?

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh no not, I don't. I don't want to know

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>what happens to these kids when they get older.

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I have.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like they're headed down a dark road.

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>It's dark. Guts are fucked up. So that's the movie.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's take another quick break and then we'll come back

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to discuss.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>And we're back back. Should we just start at the

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>he Man woman haters? Clumb I was curious, so the rundown,

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean there is truly if you're a true Little

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Rascals head, like going back to the very beginning.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Literally there's not enough time.

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>The longest Wikipedia page to ever exist is the Little

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Rascals page, because oh yeah, because they began as these

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>theatrical shorts called Our Gang. The franchise began in nineteen

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 2>During like the Silent era.

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, like the Little Rascals have been around with

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>us for basically as long as movies have, give or

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>take like a decade or so. And they've changed over

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the years, which I can't speak to every single change.

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>But the He Man Woman Haters Club, as far as

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I could tell, goes as far back as nineteen thirty seven.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Because I was curious if this was an invention of

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the franchise or this movie specifically to try to have

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>some gender commentary, but it's it's canon. It goes back

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen thirty seven. There is a lot to be

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>said for what I can tell about Our Gang or

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the Little Rascals or Hal Roach's Little Rascals.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Over the years.

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 3>This page is insane.

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so long.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I've got to say I scanned it. But like hal

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Roach is like a big I remember him coming up

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>in like film school because he also created the Laurel

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and Hardy series. Like, he's very influential in early movies.

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to be said, and I know that

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it later in this episode. With regards

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 1>to this movie. But this series relationship with race, as

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe you could imagine because it started in nineteen twenty two,

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>is all over the place. It's extremely fraught.

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>As far as the early shorts go, there have always

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>been young black actors in Our Gang or the Little Rascals,

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>which in the twenties was polarizing for different reasons because

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>many black audiences felt correctly that the kids were being

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>heavily racially stereotyped in the roles they were casted. And

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>then there were a lot of white audiences that were

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>just angry that there was a black character at all.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot to be said about that. But

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>from what I can tell, the characters have been pretty consistent.

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>They would be you know, throughout the twenties, thirties, and forties,

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>they would be recast like they would just put a

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>child in the garbage and then be like this is

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the new Alfalfa like and that would happen every couple

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.280
<v Speaker 1>of years. It was a big way to like launch

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 1>your career in the studio system back in the day.

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the reasons that there's now more labor

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>rights for child actors because most of the kids who

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>starred in them, didn't go on to have like an

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>enduring Hollywood career, and also didn't get any residuals or anything,

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 1>even though the series, you know, the shorts were shown

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>over and over.

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 3>So you're saying, this is like the Doctor Who of

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Old America where you can regenerate and get a new alfalfa.

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, yes, kind of yeah, like I and this is

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like to be clear, I did not know a bar

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of this before this morning. So thankfully the Our Gang

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 1>wikia was also very helpful to me because the he

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Man Woman Haters Club has its own page. So the

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>he Man Woman Haters Club goes back to the thirties

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>in the short male and female but male spelled m ail,

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure is a hilarious joke in text. Don't

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>really know, so I'll tell you that three times the

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>he Man Woman Haters Club come up in the series.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>The first is in nineteen thirty seven, kind of a

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>similar story from the nineties. Okay, Spanky had I'm quoted

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>here from the Ourgang dot fandom dot com.

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow scholarly journal. Yeah, which whoever is?

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, who is this for? But I guess us? Okay,

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Spanky had founded the Exclusive Club as a defense against

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>girls and Valentine's Day, but Alfalfa's heart was just.

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Not in it.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>His love for Darla keeps him from taking it seriously,

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>but Spanky soon forces him to realize the bonds of brotherhood.

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Spanky later restores the club as an act of revenge

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>after none of the boys get invited to the Makilla

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Cutty Girls party, and institutes Alfalfa as president. However, when

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Alfalfa learns the club rules to never fraternize with the

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>girls again, he is forced to rush back and get

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 1>a love note he sent to Darla, later trapping the

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>club members there, but he gets busted when the love

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>note is discovered. So like, there's similarities, right. There were

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 1>adaptations in the eighties as well. I believe most of

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>them were cartoons. But this is where in the eighties

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the he Man This is so much I'm sorry, guys,

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the he Man Woman Haters Club comes back around over

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>sixty years.

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Into the Gang's run. So wait, let me pause you

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.319
<v Speaker 2>for one second. Yeah, so it's only in one episode

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>slash one short film that the he Man Woman Haters

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 2>comes up in the original run of this series. Is

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>that right?

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I cannot confirm that for sure. I was only able

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to find that it's very relevant to the plot in

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 1>exactly one short from nineteen thirty seven. Okay, okay, so

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't say that for sure, but it seems like

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:43.879
<v Speaker 1>this is just something that's planted. And then when they

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>go back to it in the eighties, they find this

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>episode and they're like, oh, let's bring back the Misogyny Club.

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>That was fun, right right okay, which which is congratulations,

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So whoever the fuck did that? So okay in the

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 1>eighties version, you can all see like shadows of what's

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>going to happen in the nineties, Spanky refounds the club

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and installs himself as president. Darla briefly considers starting her

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>own club, the She Woman Man Haters Club. However, in

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>an attempt to cheer Darla up for losing the town

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>beauty pageant, the boys make Darla queen of their club.

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Darla's response to her role is, I guess anybody can

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.800
<v Speaker 1>be a beauty queen, but not everybody can be Queen

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of the He Man Woman Haters Club. So that's how

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>they tackle it in the eighties, and which is like,

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 1>somehow worse than the first time. And then there's the

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>reference to this one in the nineties.

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 3>So are there threads of the little rascals that don't

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 3>include a misogyny club?

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>That is a really good question, not that I've been

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>able to tell.

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, misogyny really is just timeless, isn't it.

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>It's everywhere, It's always.

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>So my understanding is, yeah, it starts as silent films,

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it goes into the sound era. The kids are recast constantly,

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but it basically is released like seasons of TV before

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>TV existed, so they would be shown before kids movies

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. And yeah, it's relationship with race

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>is very complicated and it's been around for over one

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred years wild and for what. But let's talk about

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it a lot.

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>So the way the He Man Woman Haters Club is

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>represented in the movie, this nineteen ninety four movie is

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, very emblematic of the vibes when you

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>were if you were a kid in the nineties, it

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>was just like no girls allowed, you know, boys thinking

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>that girls were grossed and awful because.

0:40:55.680 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 3>They maybe this is why I'm gay. Girl.

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Ninety's misogyny made people gay. No, but like but little

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 2>boys were little boys like hated girls simply because they

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>were conditioned to think that they were supposed to and

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>that they were told that like, you know, quote unquote

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 2>girly things were bad and they were synonymous with like

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 2>weakness and other negative qualities. And clearly the kids in

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 2>this movie, like kids that young, haven't given much or

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>any critical thought to why they hate girls and women,

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>partly because they don't have the like cognitive capacity to

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 2>do that type of critical thinking because they're just simply

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>too young. But like they're just like, yeah, I hate

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>girls because I'm supposed to because I'm a boy. You know,

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>it's just like right, senseless reasons, and so that was

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>very common. I remember like growing up as a kid,

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>like being excluded.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 1>From I mean, I think it's still a thing.

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, and yeah this movie is just like

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and let's have that. But you know, you have one

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>this kid, Alfalfa, who belongs to the club for some reason,

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 2>even though he is a self proclaimed male feminist or something.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>But he's also like I feel like he's like a

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>closet feminist because it's not like he's he's not a

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 1>feminist when it counts when he's around his voice.

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm not like those other kids. Darlin like, yes, I'm

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 3>in touch with my feminine side.

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I do love the little boat.

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It's cute. And he's like, I'm a sensitive male. I'm

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>into sharing, caring, feeling and healing. And then so you know,

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>you have this kid who's like secretly at odds with

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the misogyny club, but he does nothing to like challenge

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 2>them really, and then you have this arc by the

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 2>end where after you know, realizing that their race car

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Idol is actually a woman and realizing that the person

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>who helped them in the race was a little girl

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and not a boy like they thought, They're like, maybe

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 2>girls aren't so bad after all, let's let them into

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>our hateful club. And the arc of the story you're like,

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 2>it's a start question where right? I did enjoy this

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>scene although it's you know, just referring to a bunch

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 2>of stereotypes, but like the sleepover scenes that are like

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>juxtaposed against each other, where the girls are like, girls

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>get along with each other, boys stand up for themselves.

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Girls care, boys take what's theirs. Boys won't listen. All

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 2>girls want to do is talk. They'd ever shut the

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 2>fuck up. Boys like tomon girls and they're like, no,

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>we don't as if they're like having a conversation with

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It's so funny. But yeah, they're just like going on

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 2>and on about like, oh, stereotypically girls like this and

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>stereotypically boys like this, and you know, it's it's I

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I thought it was.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was like it's it's so like, I

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's it's a tricky needle to thread right where.

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I like that they are they are they're clearly like

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:32.280
<v Speaker 1>parroting things they've heard from other people and not standing

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>at his fact. Like the movie is to some extent

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to push back on these assumptions, but it never

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.240
<v Speaker 1>pushes quite far enough because it seems like in every

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>version of this story, best case scenario, the girls join

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the girl hating group, right, So it's weird.

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. And this was like the spiel that

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna give about it, where like at the

0:44:56.320 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>very end, when the girls are present at the misogyny

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 2>clerb and we see like we see a few quick

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 2>cuts of the girls and boys like sharing interests, their

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 2>interests with each other, like dolls and lizards and sticking

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 2>pencils up your nose. But then also we see like

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 2>the boys kissing the girls a few times, which felt unnecessary,

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 2>both from a like can we not have children kiss

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>each other in movies? That just feels like a very weird, grossicky,

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>like thankfully outdated thing that I don't think really happens anymore,

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 2>but it also just seems to suggest, like, well, a

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 2>big reason that the boys are now allowing the girls

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 2>to hang out with them is because the girls are

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 2>becoming objects of the boy's romantic affection, and that's the

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 2>main function of women in a patriarchal society. So those

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 2>like little kisses at the end, I was like, hmm,

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:00.879
<v Speaker 2>don't like the implications that I.

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Agree, yeah, And I luckily don't think that that. I

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 1>hope that that wouldn't happen now.

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, ugh.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 3>One thing I noticed was like this movie was very

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 3>reminiscent of like the problematic over sexualization of children in

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 3>the nineties and how no one really ever thought about

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 3>it and they just make all these awful jokes, and

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 3>like there was no need for Alfalfa to be swimming

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 3>in white briefs in a pool and be naked, and

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 3>like it was tasteless, it was just like, why is

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 3>this even here?

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I really like it's so yeah, it's gross. I

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 1>know that we'll touch on Bug Hall really quick. Bug Haul.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I have not watched the video, but I know that

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>he has spoken out on feeling that he was mistreated

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood as a child and that that really affected

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>his life. He he continued to act through like up

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>until a couple of years ago, had some addiction issues,

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 1>but most relevantly, I guess to the content of this movie.

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>So I do want to acknowledge that he and again

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the details of it, but says that

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>he was mistreated as a kid. I don't know how

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 1>severe the allegations are or anything like that, but he

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:19.240
<v Speaker 1>also hates women to this day. This is from scholarly

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>journal Wikipedia. In twenty thirteen, Hall converted to Catholicism, later

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 1>leaving Hollywood. In twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, Hall

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>stated that he and his family had moved to a

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 1>farm in the Midwest so as to undertake a vow

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 1>of poverty. In December twenty twenty two, Hall was temporarily

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 1>banned on Twitter after posting tweets in support of marital

0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>debt and corporal punishment of minors. Regarding his two daughters,

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>marital debt is like your wife is legally obligated to

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 1>have sex with you when you.

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Want to have sex with her. Oh my god.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>He followed up on the band through his Instagram, saying,

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the truth will always be unpopular, the truthful will always

0:47:55.440 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 1>be persecuted, but eternity will always be sweet. Remember twenty

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, Hall was criticized for referring to his daughters

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>as dishwashers in an ex post regarding the birth of

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 1>his first son, who he called his heir. So boo

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>boo to wow, we'reas I mean, there's a lot of

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>these kids didn't work very long in Hollywood, so I

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>can't follow everyone's career. But interestingly, Alfalfa, our hero turns

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 1>out to be a real life villain. Meanwhile, Waldo our

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.959
<v Speaker 1>villain villain, Blake McIvor Ewing is a queer icon and

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>has he's gay. He's gay, Oh my god. He's like

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:40.359
<v Speaker 1>done work for the It Gets Better project. He's been

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in La Go Go Dancer and like has been a

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 1>huge advocate for gay rights for a very long time.

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:52.839
<v Speaker 3>So I need a book, a flight to La.

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Get over here Blake's waiting, but it's really I was.

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, it's so it's the bug Hall

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff through me for a damn loop.

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I did not encounter that in my research. Yikes.

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this this film really like doesn't really hit you

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:13.760
<v Speaker 3>on the head enough with like it's if its intent

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 3>was to be like, well, like, actually women are like

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 3>equal and like we should like these are all stereotypes

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 3>that we fight and that we should be combating like that,

0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.359
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't really do that at all. It like really

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 3>elevates a lot of that stuff.

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, which is weird because I felt like, well, I

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know what what y'all think, but like I felt

0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 1>like in nineteen ninety four you could get away with

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>doing that, but especially in a movie that is like

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm I love Penelope Spherists and who knows,

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:44.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure this movie was like noted in

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 1>studio Notes to Death. But I do wonder if there

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 1>was ever if that was ever even like floated.

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Like having it be more like more feminist in its approach.

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I just wonder if that was ever even

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 1>like on the table, like.

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 3>So, actually I just watched TUTSI the other day, which

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 3>is really funny because I saw it on your list

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 3>and then my husband had it in our library and

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, let's check this out. And that

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 3>movie was made in the eighties, and that movie does

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 3>a really great job at like talking about gender equality

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 3>and like expectations of women at the time in the eighties,

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, that was in the eighties, so like

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:26.160
<v Speaker 3>this was like ten years later. Like they absolutely could

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 3>have gone way further with it.

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Especially in a movie for kids, where it would be

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 1>extra valuable to include those values. And I don't know,

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems like they built out, you know, Darlaw's world

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:40.959
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, but her her world is still

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:46.760
<v Speaker 1>very like stereotypically feminine, and it's like ballet and sleepovers

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and tudas, and the world of the boys is very

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>stereotypically masculine. I liked the drag sequence was kind of fun,

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>so I thought it was sweet.

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there were a couple like moments of

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of like queer phobia where, for example, because of

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the girls who are talking to the two boys in

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Tutu's in wigs and everything, and they don't realize they're

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 2>talking to boys. They are talking about Alfalfa as if

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>he's not there, and I think it's Spanky goes, well,

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I heard Alfalfa dresses in girls clothing, I e. In

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 2>this exact moment, right, and then all the girls are

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 2>like shock and maybe discussed very dated. And then there's

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>like a no homo joke where.

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Like they're eight like that I'm doing right, They're like weird.

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 2>No, the girls see the boys again, not realizing they're boys,

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 2>and they say, oh, are you fairies and they're like, no,

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 2>we're not fairies, as if like eight year old kids

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 2>understand that euphemism, and then they're like, no, we mean like,

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>are you sugar plum fairies because they're about to like

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 2>do scenes from the Nutcrack and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>we're sugar plum fairies.

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's just I mean this, I think, and I'm

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>sure it has to do with its like age, but

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 1>this like franchise has just struggled with equality conceptually. It

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 1>seems like at every stage of its existence, the.

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Best thing it has going for it are it's cameos.

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Truly, yes, and I've like that that firmly places this

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:29.400
<v Speaker 1>movie in the nineties, where the characters are from nineteen

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 1>forty for some reason, but they know Reba, so how

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:38.800
<v Speaker 1>bad could it be? Yeah, I guess I was curious

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>because there this is a I guess for a nineteen

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.880
<v Speaker 1>ninety four movie, more diverse than I expected. And I

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:50.240
<v Speaker 1>also didn't know that that is canonical to the series

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 1>going back one hundred years. But we don't really know

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>anything about the black characters, and almost everything they do

0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:01.280
<v Speaker 1>is to support Alfalfa or Spanky.

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:05.720
<v Speaker 2>It seems like right it is a predominantly white cast,

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 2>but as you mentioned, Jamie, I guess the inclusion of

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the two black characters who are among the main cast,

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.439
<v Speaker 2>between Steami and Buckwheat, it is kind of pulling from

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the original series from the twenties, thirties, and forties, which

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 2>was considered to be groundbreaking because it was like one

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 2>of the first and few pieces of media at the

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:35.359
<v Speaker 2>time that was portraying black and white children interacting as

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 2>equals in the Jim Crow era. As you also said,

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the black characters were basically just racial stereotypes and that

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 2>there were various like very racially charged gags that were

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 2>just absolutely disgusting throughout the series, which was also further complicated.

0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of I forget what movie we

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 1>talked about that had a simpler legacy where the actors

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.879
<v Speaker 1>who played these parts in the original shorts were sort

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of like later kind of defensive of the arguing shorts

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>where I guess that Eddie Murphy performed as Buckwheat on

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 1>SNL in the eighties and the original Buckwheat's family reached

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 1>out and was like, fuck you, Eddie Murphy.

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>It's a whoa.

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 1>But it sounds like I haven't seen the sketches, but

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>it seems like the sketches were built around like, yes,

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>this was a black character on TV, but how like

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>how racist were they being to this character?

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Right? I mean, as many people have pointed out when

0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>it comes to inclusion in media, just because a marginalized

0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>person is represented on screen doesn't mean that representation is

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:48.760
<v Speaker 2>thoughtful or responsible. Because going back to the nineteen ninety

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 2>four movie, of the main cast, it is predominantly white.

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 2>There are a couple black characters who are given some characterization.

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 2>There's an Asian character who doesn't speak at all, because

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:04.120
<v Speaker 2>there's like I don't know, a dozen or so little

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:06.920
<v Speaker 2>rascals that are just extras, like they're in the club,

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 2>but we don't ever meet them or anything like that.

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd say, at the very least, the very offensive racial

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 2>stereotyping from the original series doesn't carry over into the

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 2>black characters in the movie. But that is such a

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:25.040
<v Speaker 2>low bar and it is not an accomplishment.

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:29.280
<v Speaker 1>It just feels like there's still a deeply reduced role

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>as a results for sure. Yeah, and that I think

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:37.319
<v Speaker 1>the only like young black girl that we see is

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>raven In passing.

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 2>In one second. Yeah. I also think it's interesting that,

0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 2>like the nineties idea of racial diversity is like mostly

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:50.720
<v Speaker 2>white people and then a few black people, other racial

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:56.320
<v Speaker 2>identities never heard of them, especially, so like I mean whatever,

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying anything that we don't know already, but like,

0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 2>especially because this is canonically in LA, which has like

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 2>always been a very very diverse place, like updated or

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 2>don't pick a lane.

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like they sought out to like recreate this

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 3>like classic story and they're just like, let's just tell

0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 3>a fun little gig and let's not actually make it

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 3>meaningful in any way.

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, And you're like, well, then yeah, why not do

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 1>something like why not do a different story in that case?

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Because I just don't see the point of like, I mean,

0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>this still happens obviously all the time, but like why

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>redo it if you have nothing new to say? And

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the answer is money, So I guess that's the answer,

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.279
<v Speaker 3>And that's that's a really curious thing to bring up,

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 3>is like how many like like how many people love

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 3>The Little Rascals like from the eighties or like grew

0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:48.239
<v Speaker 3>up with this this stuff or like were like, oh,

0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:50.359
<v Speaker 3>I want to be in this like remake of this

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 3>thing that I grew up with or that my grandfather

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 3>father like loves. Like I wonder how large The Little

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Rascals was because I'm just like, how do they get

0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 3>all these celebrities to get to be in this really

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 3>weird movie?

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Like right this ip from early Hollywood to people, well,

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 2>like Penelope's sphere being like present enough. It was like

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I watched these growing up, and that's part of why

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I was hired to direct it.

0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>But I think that they were like fairly enduring throughout

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the year because they would like reair on TV and

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff too, so it wasn't like they only aired in

0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a void. I think that they were rebroadcast a fair amount,

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I also feel like it has

0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to do with like weird nostalgia cycles, like how I

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like it was a couple of years ago now,

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>but how like every Kid series took place in the eighties,

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the second Stranger Things did well because people who are

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 1>kids in the eighties are now old and think, you like,

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that'll happen to the nineties, like it happened, It comes

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:50.880
<v Speaker 1>for us.

0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 3>All happening. It's currently happening to the nineties, and it's

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 3>It's the terrifying thing is it's you can start seeing

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 3>it happen with the two thousands as well.

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, oh no, we're not even the most recently

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>old people.

0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>So scary.

0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>It's actually kind of I feel like it's kind of

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:09.680
<v Speaker 1>a relief now that it's like, oh, now kids who

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>were born in the early two thousands feel old and

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I can just be old forever. But yeah, I mean,

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it seems like because this is like around the time

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the McCauley culkin Richie Rich movie comes out, too, which

0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 1>is also this like old timey thing, Like I wonder

0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 1>if this was just a nostalgia cycle that was taking

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>place for parents in the way that a lot of

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff is happening now in the nineties and two thousands.

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Right, it's like the era of Richie Rich and Home

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Alone in like blank Check, yes.

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 1>All the Macaulay Culkin.

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 2>And like Cheaper by the Dozen.

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like was one thing I didn't know when

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid that Doctor Dolittle or Cheaper by

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the Dozen had already been done a trillion times. I

0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a new, awesome idea, and I think

0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:58.920
<v Speaker 1>so did every kid that saw the Little Rascals. They

0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 1>were like, whoa who what are these?

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:01.120
<v Speaker 2>What is these?

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 1>This fresh news story that takes place one hundred years ago.

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Same thing with Flubber being an adaptation from the whatever

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 2>fucking thing Absent Minded Professor?

0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, I mean I'll never watch The Absent Minded

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Professor because Flubber has all.

0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I need in a movie. I mean, hello, it has

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the Flubber mambo, it.

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Has the Flobber mambo, it has the dance and go.

0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it has a.

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Robot that has a crush on Robin Williams. What else

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>do I need?

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Nothing?

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this film is like reminiscent of like Hollywood's obsession

0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 3>with IP and like its inability to think of something new.

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:43.400
<v Speaker 3>And then also it's like it's Oh, I forgot what

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 3>the second point is, but it is it really is

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 3>truly just an obsession with the IP and like the

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 3>refusal to come up with new creative stuff because it's

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 3>too much of a risk.

0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Too whiskey to make money.

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just realizing I have it in my notes that

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 1>this was the same year that the like the Flintstones

1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:03.800
<v Speaker 1>live action movie came out, so there was just like

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:07.400
<v Speaker 1>this big wave of nostalgia content that was coming out

1:00:07.720 --> 1:00:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of varying degrees of goodness. I think I remember.

1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Loving the flint Stones movie, but nus I watched it

1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 2>for the first time kind of recently, and I think

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.240
<v Speaker 2>it would be a very fascinating episode for us to cover. Yeah,

1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I was also thinking about the Okay, and this might

1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:31.400
<v Speaker 2>be me being a fool. Is the Adams Family based

1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:34.600
<v Speaker 2>on IP from like it was a cartoonis or seventies

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:37.280
<v Speaker 2>or something? Okay, it was like a newspaper cartoon, right,

1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:41.000
<v Speaker 2>because this was also around the time the Adams Family's

1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:44.919
<v Speaker 2>movies were coming out. So yeah, Hollywood just does this

1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:48.880
<v Speaker 2>time and time again for money reasons. And speaking of money,

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about how the movie handles class

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 2>because yes, the kids all seemed to come from you know,

1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:04.000
<v Speaker 2>either working class, middle class families. One of the villains,

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>because we have like villains in the bully kids who

1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>also seem to come from like, you know, a more

1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:13.080
<v Speaker 2>working class background. But one of the bullies is this

1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:19.520
<v Speaker 2>rich bitch, Waldo, whose dad is literally Donald Trump. There's

1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:22.760
<v Speaker 2>a really funny joke toward the end where Waldo's on

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the phone with his dad and then Trump says, you're

1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the best son money can buy. And I'm like, that's

1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:32.280
<v Speaker 2>a funny joke. Obviously credit to the writer and not

1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.760
<v Speaker 2>to fucking Trump delivering it, but.

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:36.520
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't it wasn't delivered.

1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Well no, but I appreciate that, Like there's this villainization

1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:47.520
<v Speaker 2>of you know, extreme wealth, and this is also pulling

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:50.200
<v Speaker 2>from the original series where you know, most of the

1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:55.640
<v Speaker 2>kids were poor and they were at odds with snobbish

1:01:55.720 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 2>rich kids. So I appreciated that because there are there

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:05.080
<v Speaker 2>have been a lot of movie, like just media from

1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 2>decades past the glorified wealth and that like featured pretty

1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:16.400
<v Speaker 2>much exclusively you know, upper class families and kids. So

1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I appreciated that this movie didn't go that route.

1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this the kids are so I know that they

1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like date back to earlier than this, and also the

1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:27.600
<v Speaker 1>original cast. I think they were just pulling the names

1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:30.880
<v Speaker 1>from the actual children, Like the original Darla's name was Darla.

1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh like that.

1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I think because they were Yeah, I think because they

1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:36.240
<v Speaker 1>were so young that they were like.

1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It'll confuse them. Her name is Darla. We're calling her.

1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Darla because she was like two originally, because old Hollywood

1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:47.640
<v Speaker 1>is terrifying where they're like, just I don't know, find

1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a baby, put it in a movie. It kind of

1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:54.440
<v Speaker 1>remighted be of in Massachusetts, there is that like the

1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:57.320
<v Speaker 1>on Zoom. Did I or if you watched Zoom growing

1:02:57.400 --> 1:03:01.680
<v Speaker 1>up on PBS? No, Oh my gosh. It was this

1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:05.000
<v Speaker 1>show on PBS where it was like the only show

1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:08.520
<v Speaker 1>made in Boston that starred kids. So every kid was like,

1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be on Zoom and then I'm going

1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to be famous across the country. And our friend Taylor

1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Garron was on Zoom because when I met him.

1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that when she's okay? Okay? When I met

1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:19.800
<v Speaker 2>her later.

1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're famous and she was like, I yeah,

1:03:23.680 --> 1:03:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it's true because she was on Zoom. And it seems

1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like Argang was the zoom of its time, where every

1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:33.680
<v Speaker 1>little kid in La was like I want to be

1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:36.920
<v Speaker 1>an argang. A lot of the actors were like plucked

1:03:36.920 --> 1:03:39.600
<v Speaker 1>out of East LA, like they were all local kids

1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that did this and then proceeded to make uh no money.

1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.160
<v Speaker 1>But the just circularly by just a fact I thought

1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:52.640
<v Speaker 1>was fun was the original. Buckwheat later went on to

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:56.280
<v Speaker 1>become like a film editor and was one of the

1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:58.080
<v Speaker 1>editors on Jaws.

1:03:58.680 --> 1:03:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that weird?

1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, that's cool.

1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Wait the kid.

1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Not No, not in the movie in the original.

1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was gonna how did this?

1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:13.840
<v Speaker 3>How did a four year old kid.

1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Back in time, you know, like someone who was a

1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:19.680
<v Speaker 1>kid in the thirties was later an editor would Okay,

1:04:19.720 --> 1:04:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that makes much more sense. Yeah, sorry, I should I

1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:23.400
<v Speaker 1>was not being clear enough.

1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:27.200
<v Speaker 2>No, I should have used one speck of logic to

1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:31.400
<v Speaker 2>understand what you must have meant. Well, good, good for

1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:37.160
<v Speaker 2>good for that actor turned Jaws editor. Yeah, there's there's

1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of like fascinating production stuff around this movie.

1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about Penelope Sphearist a little bit.

1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.600
<v Speaker 2>We also discussed her to some extent on our Wayne's

1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:52.200
<v Speaker 2>World episode, but she directed this movie. She co wrote

1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:54.920
<v Speaker 2>the screenplay. There's a lot of like credited writers as

1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:57.080
<v Speaker 2>far as like story by credits, and then there's three

1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:01.840
<v Speaker 2>credited screenwriters. But she had a pretty big creative role

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<v Speaker 2>in this in the sense that she was a co

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<v Speaker 2>writer and director. Of course, just a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>her career. She started out directing music videos and music documentaries,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly about punk and metal and rock and roll, including

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<v Speaker 2>a trilogy of documentaries called The Decline of Western Civilization

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of like put her on the map as

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<v Speaker 2>a filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>By the early nineties, she was directing big studio comedies

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<v Speaker 2>like Wayne's World, like Beverly Hillbillies, like Black Sheep. She

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<v Speaker 2>was one of only a handful of women directors during

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<v Speaker 2>that time, directing mainstream studio movies in the US, and

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<v Speaker 2>particularly like broad comedies, because almost no women were directing

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<v Speaker 2>those at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially ones that were not centered. Because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this to this day, it's like women can direct comedies,

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<v Speaker 1>but they.

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<v Speaker 2>Better be about other women.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that she directed this, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>even I mean, I wouldn't call Wayne's World a hyper

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<v Speaker 1>masculine movie, but just around two guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very cool, right, because like, if women were directing

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<v Speaker 2>comedies around this time, they were almost always rom comms.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of, you know, like Nora Ephron and.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which is like, you know, they're not knocking those whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>right classics, But but yeah, like she is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an outlier in that way for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of like the way that this movie had

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<v Speaker 3>a Matilda esque vibe where it was just cartoonish enough,

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<v Speaker 3>where like things were like a little out there, but

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<v Speaker 3>like like cartoonishly weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Hose and like riding the hose and when they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to put out the thing, and then like the the

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<v Speaker 3>the two villain kids getting like splattered with paint and

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<v Speaker 3>they're like shadows around the van. Like I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was like really really fun, Like it took the absurdity

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<v Speaker 3>of the film to a next to another level, And

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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of wish they wrote that a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more and just even more absurd with it, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I have a live action cartoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when it's like like this movie feels so

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<v Speaker 1>clearly for kids, which is obvious, but stay with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a lot of movies of the

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<v Speaker 1>past whatever decade or so except for Minions movies have

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<v Speaker 1>been I think it's just like because Pixar movies do

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<v Speaker 1>so well and there's always this like profound message and

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<v Speaker 1>like the villain is exposed to have this like Freudian

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<v Speaker 1>problem that is resolved by the end of the film,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is nice to go back and watch a

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<v Speaker 1>kid's movie that you're like, this is just silly. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a silly billy movie for silly billy's. The good

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<v Speaker 1>kids are good, the bad kids they suck. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>interested in like Waldo's trauma. We just want him to

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<v Speaker 1>get the fuck out of the movie by the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just, I don't know. It made me feel

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<v Speaker 1>very nostalgic for dare I say, a simpler time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you mentioning Matilda reminds me of how few movies

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<v Speaker 2>there were from this era that focused on little girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Little Rascals is one of many that's about either

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<v Speaker 2>a group of little boys, such as The Sandlot, which

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned earlier, Jamie. There's a lot of other like

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<v Speaker 2>little boys doing sports or like little boys just hanging out,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were so few, it's a handful.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think the ones that come to

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<v Speaker 1>mind are Harriet the Spy, ri Ip, Michelle, and a

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<v Speaker 1>Little Princess is the only and obviously Matilda, but those

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of the only ones that come to mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there's more, we know, but like, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>just was so much rarer to see little girls featured

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<v Speaker 2>in a movie from this era.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wish the girls in this film were not

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<v Speaker 3>just the objects of men.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be nice. That would have been Where's Little Rascal,

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<v Speaker 2>Little girl Rascals, or just little rascals starring girls, little

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<v Speaker 2>rast lets, you know, like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see a movie about a woman, like

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<v Speaker 3>a man hating club of women that like sabotaged these

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<v Speaker 3>little boys lives and like they just like I would

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<v Speaker 3>love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the movie ends by them doubling down and being

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<v Speaker 1>like we were right, we were right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>You were not welcome in our club.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever, because the fuck miss andry is a response to misogyny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like, you know, girls and women are like

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<v Speaker 2>also men are bad in a vacuum. It's just like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't like men because they hate us. They hated

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<v Speaker 2>us first.

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<v Speaker 1>What I what I learned this fairly recently when I

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<v Speaker 1>was like I had to do a very unfortunate project

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<v Speaker 1>on the Manisphere on my other show, and I learned

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<v Speaker 1>that the term miss Andrey was little really made up

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<v Speaker 1>by misogynists to be like, oh, I know you were,

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<v Speaker 1>but what am I? So it's like it's barely a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're right. It's just like a logical response, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why the word didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to Penelope Speirrus for a moment, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was one of a few women directing mainstream Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>movies in the early nineties. Her career eventually took a turn.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an interview with her in The av Club from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen. I think we referenced this a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>in Our Land's World episode, but she basically describes her

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<v Speaker 2>last studio movie, something called Senseless from nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a box office flop, and because she's a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>that was enough to put her in like quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>director jail, because, as she points out in the interview,

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<v Speaker 2>women don't get a second chance in Hollywood after they

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<v Speaker 2>make one flop, while men get infinite chances. She also

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<v Speaker 2>says that working with Harvey and Bob Weinstein, which she

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<v Speaker 2>did on that movie Senseless, was a tipping point that

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<v Speaker 2>made her realize that she didn't want to work in

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood anymore. To Penelope Right, a few choice quotes from

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<v Speaker 2>her from this interview. Quote, you have no friends in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood is a lonely, lonely desert, especially as a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote If they don't hire me because I'm a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm an older woman, If they don't hire me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't give a shit. And quote I don't need them.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't. Especially now, what am I going to

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<v Speaker 2>do work for a year on a movie and make

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars. They can blow me. That's a quote

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<v Speaker 2>you can print that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. I love her.

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<v Speaker 3>That is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you read on in this interview and you

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<v Speaker 2>find out that she owns six houses and she's a landlord,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're like, oh shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly, I mean, yeah, landlord evil. But it also

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<v Speaker 1>makes me. It makes me sad in more than one way,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, Wow, they used to pay people that

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<v Speaker 1>much to do a job here, because the tules exist, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineties, she would she made like nearly three

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars directing. I think it was senseless. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she's like and then now if I do something, I

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<v Speaker 2>will get basically no money. Yeah. Yeah, So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>all I had on the director. I wanted to just

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<v Speaker 2>say a few kind of stray thoughts. Oh the age

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<v Speaker 2>difference between Darla Drag Them Them and the boys that

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<v Speaker 2>love her. Okay, So we've talked about the common occurrence

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<v Speaker 2>of older men being paired with a much younger woman

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<v Speaker 2>in a romantic storyline in media, which often carries the

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<v Speaker 2>implications of like older women or romantically desirable or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>women should be valued for their youth and things like that. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>usually we see this in adults, but it happens in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie with these kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So eight year old girl would be simply too old

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<v Speaker 1>for Alfalfa.

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<v Speaker 2>Too old for these eight year old boys. So Darla

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<v Speaker 2>is played by an actor named Brittany Ashton Holmes. She

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<v Speaker 2>was four years old at the beginning of the production.

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<v Speaker 2>She turned five part way through. Alfalfa and Waldo, played

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<v Speaker 2>by Bug Hall and Blake Ewing, respectively, were both eight

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<v Speaker 2>when the production started, and they turned nine part way through.

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<v Speaker 2>They all had birthdays in this like four month shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>So these boys are like twice the age yucky of her, like,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a four year age gap is not a big

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<v Speaker 2>deal if you're an adult, but when you're that young,

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<v Speaker 2>like those years really make a developmental difference, and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just two of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so it was I never picked up when this

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, but as an adult, I'm like, she

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<v Speaker 2>seems so much younger than them, and it's because she is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just really gross to me that these

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<v Speaker 2>boys were lusting after a little girl who is basically

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<v Speaker 2>still a toddler.

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<v Speaker 1>Who doesn't know to not look at the camera. You

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be making that kid kiss someone she doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know the camera.

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<v Speaker 3>So icky, the way that heterosexual people sexualized children, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it's always the queer people that get that get

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<v Speaker 3>blamed for it, Like it's ridiculous, it's horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time I go into like every time I walk

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<v Speaker 1>through like a greeting card aisle, you're reminded at still

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<v Speaker 1>how over sexualized little kids are. Where I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking for like my friends got engaged. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to buy an engagement card, and so many

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<v Speaker 1>of them are like little kids kissing, and you're like, why.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing that, Why are we making them do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Get over it? Yeah. The one thing I'll say about

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<v Speaker 2>kids kissing on screen in this movie is that at

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<v Speaker 2>least we see an example a boy asking a girl

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<v Speaker 2>for consent to kiss her.

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<v Speaker 4>The King of Consent, Alfalfa Alfalfa says, Darla, would you

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<v Speaker 4>think me forward if I asked you for a big

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<v Speaker 4>wet one and she's like what, and he's like a

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<v Speaker 4>kiss and she's like okay, And so he asks for

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<v Speaker 4>and then receives consent.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that we see them kiss then completely unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess at the very least we see an

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<v Speaker 2>example of someone asking for consent. Yeah, so there's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see if I had any other straight thoughts, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just that this was like probably the first example I

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<v Speaker 2>saw in a movie of the trope of like someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's doing something that's consent that are traditionally masculine, and

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<v Speaker 2>we assume it's a man, but we can't tell because

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<v Speaker 2>they're wearing like a mask or a helmet that obscures

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<v Speaker 2>their face. Twist it's a will woa woman or a girl. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we get like kind of two examples of that between yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>back to back. Aj Ferguson turns out their Idol, their

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<v Speaker 2>race car driver. Idol is a woman, and then with

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<v Speaker 2>Darla taking off her helmet. So yeah, whenever I see

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<v Speaker 2>that trope like this movie is the first thing I

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<v Speaker 2>think of because I'm like, oh, I think I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it there for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember where I saw it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's never the last time. It's all I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it never never, and it will never. It's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna still happen twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean. One of the many downsides of

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<v Speaker 1>fascism is that this shit is gonna roll back and

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<v Speaker 1>back and back. Where to see tropes we haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>in thirty years popping up in movies. It's but no,

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast fixed it. I wanted to add. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to add a quick just like a fun nineties kids

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the voice of Froggy is Eg Daily aka

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of Tommy, Pickles and Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a legend. She's also in Peebe's Big Adventure, Big

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<v Speaker 1>eg daily Head, eg daily Head fans Unite.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so you know, I'm actually a little bum. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not his real.

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<v Speaker 1>Voice, right, It was like that, I mean, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a hell of a beforeance, but it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, damn, that kid's got pipes, Like did they

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<v Speaker 3>make him speak like that?

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<v Speaker 2>In the entire time, I was wondering what sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like voice modifying situation was happening there. But it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a voice actor.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't. It's just a voice actor who very frequently

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<v Speaker 1>voiced little boys like such as Tommy Pickles. I love

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<v Speaker 1>eg daily. She's like, so, she's incredibly awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>She's great. Does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry for making you watch this film.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I had there so much to talk about there

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<v Speaker 1>really was.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great time revisiting this again. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many hilarious joke Like the comedy writing in this movie

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<v Speaker 2>is really on par with some of the best comedy

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<v Speaker 2>movies out there. For example, Spanky, how do you plead

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<v Speaker 2>Alfalfa like this? And then he proceeds to show how

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<v Speaker 2>he begs for mercy, and then Spanky's like, and now

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<v Speaker 2>you're sentenced to execution at dawn? Hilarious Buckwheat and Alfalfa

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<v Speaker 2>trying to call nine one one, but they're like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the number to nine one one? How should I know?

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<v Speaker 2>And then pan over and they're right next to a

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<v Speaker 2>fire station that they just walk past because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that that would help them. Oh, Alfalfa and Darla

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<v Speaker 2>drink disgusting grape juice, and Alfalfa says, must have been

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<v Speaker 2>a bad year, as if it's why that's pretty, that's

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<v Speaker 2>good comedy. Alfalfa, we're singing a duet Waldo, how redundant.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny in and of itself. And then Alfalfa says,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you if he's receiving a comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Kayla, you're defending this movie with your life. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>fun to your life. Your body's on the train tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, okay, well we'll get tone. I mean, let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>get to the Bechdel test. The movie does not pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Darla and her friends do talk to each other, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's always them either like fawning over Waldo or talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how gross boys are at the sleepover, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think actually might be an exception to the Bechdel test,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like spiritually that exchange passes, but technically it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this movie is doing I think in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie that ends in all the girls joining the

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<v Speaker 1>woman Haters Club. I don't. I think it doesn't pass there,

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<v Speaker 1>I said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I really wish that they had changed the sign. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it was like the Woman Tolerators Club. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go straight into you know, intersectional feminism,

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<v Speaker 2>but the woman Tolerators Club woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't really think this test,

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<v Speaker 3>this movie passes the test at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I have something to say about a man that

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to mention earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, please, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that Norm from Cheers is Jason Sedeikus's uncle?

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<v Speaker 2>What I did discover that in my research? I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like stealth nepotism. I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite no idea, the like aunt uncle, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's you don't see that one coming. I know, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like that kid, that Wahlberg kid from the Dora

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<v Speaker 2>movie is Mark Wahlberg's neewa. Emma Roberts is Julia Roberts's niece.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's but she's also Eric roberts daughter, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so like she is.

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<v Speaker 2>True proper nepotism. Yeah, But as far as our nipple

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<v Speaker 2>scale goes, the scale where we.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm so sorry. How does how does this work?

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<v Speaker 3>This nipple scale?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, but don't you worry. So we've got you covered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a scale where we rate the movie zero to

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<v Speaker 2>five nipples based on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.

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<v Speaker 2>So a movie that does horribly would get zero nipples,

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<v Speaker 2>like zero or one. The most feminist like intersectional feminist

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<v Speaker 2>movie of all time would get five nipple. We almost

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<v Speaker 2>never award five nipples.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, and if we do, we almost always take

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<v Speaker 1>it back later.

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<v Speaker 2>We regret it later.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So that's fantastic. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give this. I'm kind of between like

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<v Speaker 2>a one point five and a two because it does

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<v Speaker 2>try to address gender and it tries to address misogyny,

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<v Speaker 2>and the lesson at the end is the boys learn

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<v Speaker 2>that their misogyny was based in nothing and that women

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<v Speaker 2>can contribute to society. The movie does this on a

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<v Speaker 2>very surface level, but it does make an attempt, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's more than most movies from the nineties were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more than most kids movies from the nineties were doing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially ones that feature a cast full of boys. So

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<v Speaker 2>with your two.

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<v Speaker 3>Nipples, Jamie's face right now is so great, the tight

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<v Speaker 3>lipped smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like I. Because this is a movie. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even think I owned this on VHS, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>one that we would We rented so many times from

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<v Speaker 2>the video store that it would have been way more

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<v Speaker 2>cost effective if my mom had just bought it, because

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<v Speaker 2>she spent so much money on like me, insisting on

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<v Speaker 2>renting it all the time. Yeah, so I saw You

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<v Speaker 2>Know on repeat a lot as a kid, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I do have an attachment to it. And again, the

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<v Speaker 2>jokes in this movie are fire, most of them. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>two nipples. It does try to do something, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it successfully. Two nipples is still two out of five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an f that's forty percent, But it's trying.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go one nipple because I bravely think this

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<v Speaker 1>movie is not trying and it did just as bad,

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<v Speaker 1>if not worse, than it did in the eighties. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see enough of a meaningful difference in between nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two and this movie in terms of how women

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<v Speaker 1>and girls are her trade. But I love Penelope Spheares.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's punk rock, She's very very cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Wayne's World, and I won't hold it against this

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<v Speaker 1>movie too much, but this was I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really fun episode to put together because I just

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<v Speaker 1>like did not know how much there was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be to talk about Sorr.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have warned you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean it was good.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We've covered so many movies from this span of time,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have never covered a movie quite like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, it's a fun movie to watch, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's really trying to do very much other

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<v Speaker 1>than you know, have women joined the misogyny Club nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four. I mean, like you were saying earlier, talk

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<v Speaker 1>like there were movies that coming out decades before this

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<v Speaker 1>that were doing more so one nipple and I'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>it to Darla, Oh, my friend, talk how about you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry? Are we assigning characters nipples?

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<v Speaker 2>You can award them? Yeah, like so I forgot too,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll give my two nipples, one to Pedi the

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<v Speaker 2>dog and the other one to oh I forget the

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<v Speaker 2>monkey's name. But I like to give myn I think

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<v Speaker 2>number yeah Olmer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm also gonna give it. One nibble is a

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<v Speaker 3>zero nibble, Like is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Even like a do as little as sometimes we give

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<v Speaker 2>negative nipples.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say a one nibble because of the cameos.

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<v Speaker 3>The cameos really they really make it stand out. I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with you. I think they didn't try nearly hard enough.

1:25:21.120 --> 1:25:25.080
<v Speaker 3>I think they went in for a flimsy, little fun

1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:29.320
<v Speaker 3>movie about kids doing kids stuff, but like they had

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<v Speaker 3>nothing new to add to the lore or to the

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<v Speaker 3>to the franchise to like really make it a true

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<v Speaker 3>sign of its times and the sign of its times,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning like in the nineties there were there was so

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<v Speaker 3>much more happening in terms of like trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>better representation of women on screen, and they could have

1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.040
<v Speaker 3>been one of one of those attempts, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really try hard at all. So I'm with you, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 3>And then I would I would award Oh gosh, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I would award my no Alter to Elmer.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I love that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Elmer is a cutie pie. I'm like, I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that Elmer. I think Elmer Petie learned the

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<v Speaker 1>error of their ways and started a woman tolerators club nearby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, well now that I'm crying, as was foreseen earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>no tark. Thank you so much for joining us for

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<v Speaker 2>this has been a bust.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me on. It was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Where currently we're doing the important work over there. We've

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<v Speaker 2>and The Great Mouse Detective.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I'm I have fomo not being a part

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<v Speaker 3>of your matron.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's only five dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the Bratituy episode was was a banger.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think by the time this episode comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll either have just been released or it's about to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Yeah, listeners, be on the lookout for Ratatue in front.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't walk. I like that, we're talking this scurry, scurry

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<v Speaker 2>your little rat. Pause over to that episode. And with that,

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<v Speaker 2>I call this meeting of the man hating women and

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<v Speaker 2>marginalized gender people loving club to an end, all in favor.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Tay tay, Bye, bye, bye, bye bye.

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