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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace we have left off. Finally,

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Speaker 1: the double murder case against legal Air Alex and Murdog

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Speaker 1: is off the ground. Sensational opening statements go down in

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Speaker 1: a South Carolina courtroom. I mean, see Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: listen to this. Prosecutors say forensics will prove Murdoch's guilt

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Speaker 1: after a perfect storm of circumstances came to a head.

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Speaker 1: The state contends Maggie was killed with a weapon owned

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Speaker 1: cell phone video captured at the murdency just before the

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Speaker 1: time of deaths puts Alec at the scene, contradicting his

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Speaker 1: alibi that he only reached when he discovered the bodies,

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Speaker 1: and he was there just missed Laggie and Paul just

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Speaker 1: been the work of two people because two different weapons

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Speaker 1: the defense claiming the state ignored witnesses. Well, little known fact.

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Speaker 1: The defense has subpoena power just like this. If they

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Speaker 1: What happened and what's happening right now in court? Joining

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Speaker 1: me an all star panel. But first to chief reporter

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Speaker 1: for dailymail dot Com, our friend Jen Smith. Jen, tell

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Speaker 1: me everything, don't leave anything out. I mean, what a

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Speaker 1: way to kick off this trial. These opening statements really

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Speaker 1: really painting a picture of this inescapable doom that was

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Speaker 1: We don't know whether or not he's supporting his father

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Speaker 1: motive for Alex Murdo to commit these crimes. They say

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Speaker 1: Forensic expert, founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, star

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Speaker 1: of a new hit series, Zone seven podcast. You can

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Speaker 1: find her at Coldcase crimes dot org. Cheryl, almost at

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, it's all made very clear. And Nancy this,

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Speaker 1: And she already mentioned the reporter mentioned what's not there.

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Speaker 1: star Bling Empire on Netflix, Doctor Bethany, why does everybody

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Speaker 1: There's this laws that, like you mentioned, Malory Beach's family

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Speaker 1: was doing the Murdock family for wrongful death. Now if

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Speaker 1: you hear that with the fact that Alex Murdock was

424
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Speaker 1: already in financial trouble, he was trying desperately to hide it,

425
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Speaker 1: and he also had a opioid addiction, which we haven't

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Speaker 1: even touched on yet. And there's so much that he

427
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Speaker 1: was stealing from his law firm and from his clients.

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Speaker 1: Jan Smith, that's correct. Yeah, And all of this paints

429
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Speaker 1: a picture of someone who was frantically trying to protect

430
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Speaker 1: what little he might have had left. So, yes, the

431
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Speaker 1: fact that Paul had put his family into shame or

432
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Speaker 1: favorite at the very least, let's call it that for now,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't bode well for this idea that he was

434
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Speaker 1: an apple of his father's eye. But what is really

435
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Speaker 1: crucial here in town and everyone who knew this family locally. Yes,

436
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: sure they may be well acquainted with the rumors about them,

437
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: but that's precisely why those people are not on the jury.

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Speaker 1: When it really boils down here, what we have is

439
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Speaker 1: whether or not the defense is going to be able

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Speaker 1: to convince this jury, who have all gone on record

441
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: and said that they do not know anything about this family,

442
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: at least not enough to prejudice their decisions. It is

443
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Speaker 1: the jury going to believe the defense that this was

444
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Speaker 1: a happy family or are they going to be convinced

445
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Speaker 1: by all the outside evidence? Well as the defense keeps

446
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: claiming in court that they had a happy marriage. The

447
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Speaker 1: state is going to have to bring on evidence and

448
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: they had anything but a happy marriage. Effect. She was

449
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Speaker 1: living at the beach house. They were not living together.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Here's a tricky part of that, Nancy. This

451
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Speaker 1: is why neither tricky part that is, you can't bring

452
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Speaker 1: in all this bad behavior unless there's sufficient evidence to

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Speaker 1: back it up evidentiarily and can they do that? It

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Speaker 1: would be great if the jury were privy to all

455
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Speaker 1: of what we're discussing on this call, but they're not

456
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Speaker 1: going to be, so it's going to be a fight,

457
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: to a real battle to get some of this in,

458
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Speaker 1: from the popcorn throwing to the bad behavior of the

459
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Speaker 1: sun means so much outside evidence is relevant, we know

460
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Speaker 1: to motives, but how much in that balancing analysis the

461
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: judge does is the jury going to get to hear?

462
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing about that is that can change

463
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: as doors are opened and closed. In terms of the

464
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Speaker 1: questions lawyers ask as the trop proceeds, Yeah, what she

465
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Speaker 1: means by that windy passion when she says open the door,

466
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: that's actually a legal term. If the defense starts going

467
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Speaker 1: on and on and on. Second verse, sam as at

468
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: first they were so happy in their marriage. That quote

469
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: opens the door for the state to come in and pray,

470
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Speaker 1: what a bad marriage it was. Go ahead us, Cheryl

471
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Speaker 1: McCollum jump in. I just think it is critical that

472
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Speaker 1: we mentioned and as a wife, nobody knew him better

473
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Speaker 1: than Maggie did. Maggie told her friend something's fishing. He's

474
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Speaker 1: up to something direct quote. She went to that family

475
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: farm because she knew Paul was there. She went there

476
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: to try to protect that child crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: According to the evidence Jen Smith dailymail dot Com, he

478
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog lured Maggie out to the Hunting Lodge, which

479
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Speaker 1: is a good ways away from where she was staying

480
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Speaker 1: at their beach house. She was not living with him,

481
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Speaker 1: and he lured her out there, according to the evidence,

482
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Speaker 1: claiming that he wanted her to go visit his father

483
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Speaker 1: because Murdoch says his father, Daddy Murdock, didn't have much

484
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: longer to live, and she Maggie actually said to one

485
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: of her girlfriends before she went out there, I don't

486
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: want to go. He taught me into it. I don't

487
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: know what Alex Murdock is up to, but something is fishy.

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Speaker 1: When he lured her to go out there. Isn't it true,

489
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Speaker 1: Jan Smith? That is a whole reason she was even

490
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Speaker 1: at the hunting lodge because Alex Murdock I've lured her there.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what has been suggested. Yeah. Absolutely, But again

492
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: the problem is all of the people who can actually

493
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: verify this none of them are alive anymore. So we

494
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: just have Alex Murdock. His father died a few days

495
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: after Maggie and Paul were killed. Obviously Myga and Paul

496
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: aren't there to tell Atruth either, and then we have

497
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Speaker 1: his ailing mother. It is the prosecution's argument that Alex

498
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Murdock lured his estranged wife, whether or not they were

499
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: in the formalities of becoming it's strange. We don't know yet.

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00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: We know that she consulted a lawyer. We don't know

501
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: if she filed any paperwork. It doesn't look like she did.

502
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: But that is what the prosecution is saying, that she

503
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't have even been there unless he called her there,

504
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: and that is the last thing he wanted herv Brandt

505
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: is for that divorce proceeding to get cranked up and

506
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Speaker 1: her lawyer, her divorce lawyer, have full access to all

507
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: of his bank accounts, because that's number one forensic accounting.

508
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: That was going to happen. All their property, their possessions,

509
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: their money was going to be divided, split down the middle.

510
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: The last thing Murdoch wants is an astute lawyer going

511
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: through his business and finding out he's been embezzling, stealing,

512
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: outright taking money from his clients and his law firm.

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00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean millions of dollars. That's exactly right, Nancy, that's

514
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the motive right there. He didn't want someone competent, yes,

515
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: going through his financial records, and he had to take

516
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: care of the liabilities and took care of Paul Murdog

517
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: at the same time. That ends that, and he was

518
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: a liability also. But the wife filing for divorce and

519
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: demanding the records of their assets is going to bring

520
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: that house of cards down completely. And of course he's

521
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: drug addled. And also he was right after the murders

522
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: that the murder of Paul Murdog, his son. That lawsuit settled.

523
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: It's settled, and there's nobody left to prosecute. And Paul

524
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Murdog is never going to take the stand. Nobody's going

525
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: to be digging through their finances and there's no divorce,

526
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: no astute lawyer in forensic account. It's going to be

527
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: digging through his bank accounts anymore because they're both dead. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe if I were the defense attorney, which

529
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Speaker 1: of course would never happened, that I would phrase it

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00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: quite like this. But I want you to listen to

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Speaker 1: cut one seven six again. This is straight out of

532
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: the courtroom. This is the defense attorney for Alex Murdock.

533
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Dick are Puteley and listen. Now, Maggie is shot running

534
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to no defensive wounds because she's shot running and after

535
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: she falls to the ground and had one voy that

536
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: has hit her and probably traveled up and hit her brain.

537
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: She's on the ground, and whoever the perpetrator was, walked up,

538
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: took that r and put one in the back of

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: her head, executed, executed. Why Well, if he keeps asking why,

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00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the state's gonna tell him. I mean

541
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to you, Cheryl McCollum, can't you just see in that

542
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: courtroom when the defense attorney is saying, and whoever the

543
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: perpetrator was, and they probably all looked right over at

544
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Alex Murdock. He says, walked up took that r and

545
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: put one in the back of her head executed right.

546
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: And we all know long guns for moving targets. I mean,

547
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: we know what he did here. It appears very simple. Gus,

548
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: he waits an hour Nancy to call nine one one.

549
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: Why would you wait for an hour? Because he's trying

550
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: to hide that weapon into those of other evidence. And again,

551
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the one thing the

552
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: prosecution is going to be able to show what's not there.

553
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: There's no additional cell phone pings from an unknown person.

554
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: There's no unknown footprints from an unknown person. There's no

555
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: unknown tire track. You've got the gunshot residue. You waited

556
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: over an hour, you lured her there, you hid the weapon.

557
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: You said you were somewhere else at eight forty four,

558
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: and we know now that's a lie. You have moted

559
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: to kill your son, You had moted to kill your wife.

560
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Nobody else did. It's gonna come back to Alex Murdock

561
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: every single time. You know. That brings up an interesting point.

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00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: This is wendy negative evidence witnesses. That's where we call

563
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: people to say, if someone else had been here, we

564
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: would have found it. There would have been DNA or

565
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: footprints or tire tracks or something from somebody else. So

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: show brings up an interesting point. And sometimes these cases,

567
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: especially when it's an alibi defense, are not just about

568
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: what you found at the scene, but what you didn't

569
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: find and what that means for the prosecution. You know what,

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00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: I love cell phone pings. I love cell phone pings.

571
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen and then we'll

572
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: have Jen Smith explained to us what was just said

573
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: at opening statements, and we're going to go back to

574
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: the courtroom after this, taking us an hour, cut one five, four,

575
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: cell phones and ballistics. Cell phones and ballistics, and the

576
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: evidence is going to show that the definitive Alamurdoc over

577
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: there told anyone who would listen that he was never

578
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: at those channels. But the evidence is also going to

579
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: show from these things and every one of us, most

580
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: of his tray runner in our pocket, that he was there.

581
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: And he was there just miss before with Maggie and Paul,

582
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: just minutes before their cell phones go silent forever. And

583
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: despite what he told people, I was never Kinnel's, the

584
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: cell phones are going to show other ones, Okay, Jen Smith.

585
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: A snapchat video taken just before the murders taken by

586
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: Paul Murdog has come to light because it's my understanding,

587
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Alex Murdog is in the video showing that he's there

588
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: at the hunting lodge just before the murders, although he

589
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: said he wasn't. Is that correct, is correct, Nancy? So

590
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: what this video shows is a dog. It's a dog

591
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: that belongs to one of paul friends and I pulp

592
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: this on his snapchat. You don't see Alex Murdog, but

593
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: you do apparently in the back ground here Alex Murdock

594
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: with Maddie Murgdoc and their son. Now, what's key about

595
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: the video is the time that it was taken, the

596
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: time that it was put out. Prosecutors say that minutes literally,

597
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I think it's three or four minutes after that, every

598
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: inch of cell phone activity on Paul phone and on

599
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: Maggie phone, it stops. It stops cold. So that's what

600
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: they're trying to point towards as being the time of

601
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: the murders. And this is a new piece of evidence

602
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: and it's really really important because, like you say, it

603
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: places Alex Murdock at the scene of the crime. When

604
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: prosecutors say that it happened let's Serlon McCollum joining me

605
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: for insc expert and everybody jump in on this. So

606
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: Paul Murdoch sends the snapchat video to several people, and

607
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: one of those people, within like two or three minutes,

608
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: calls him right back. He never picks up his phone again,

609
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: he never responds, he never sends another text. It's over.

610
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: That's it forever. That is the time of the murder. Absolutely,

611
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and simultaneously, his mother, her cell phones never again has

612
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: any activity that she initiates. Both of those podes simultaneously

613
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: are inactive or ever. But about it, Wendy Patrick Stall

614
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: phones are the perfect unbiased witnesses. They don't favor one

615
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: side or the other. And that is one of the

616
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: reasons we're talking about them, not only in this case,

617
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: but they established the timeline dead victims cannot And that's

618
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is that we're all noting here

619
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: that they're going to be such powerful evidence in a

620
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: case like that. Yes, and we saw it come out

621
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Speaker 1: as very powerful evidence in the Brian Coburger quadruple slaying

622
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: in Idaho. So Jen Smith, what's going to happen now? Well,

623
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Speaker 1: today we're expecting the prosecution to put their first witnesses

624
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: on the stunt. They thought it is obviously going to

625
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: be hugely telling. We're expecting some EMTs and some frest

626
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: responders who are the first people to interact with Alex

627
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Murdock after the murderers. And then, and I think this

628
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: is going to really tell an interesting story. The jury

629
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: is going to see video of Alex Murdock's first police interviews.

630
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Now we don't know yet what he said in these

631
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: interviews except from what we've read in previous transcripts or affidavits,

632
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: but the prosecution is claiming he made strange statements, and

633
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Speaker 1: they're also claiming that his lack of statements was incredibly

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Speaker 1: strange too, So they're using this interview to point to

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Speaker 1: his guilt. The defense claims that he was acting strangely

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Speaker 1: because who wouldn't after their wife and their son had

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Speaker 1: just been murdered. And they're also claiming that it's going

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Speaker 1: to prove that Copp's only ever focused on Alex Murdock

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Speaker 1: and ignored any other possible suspect because they were so desperate,

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Speaker 1: as they put it, to fit this square peg in

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Speaker 1: this round hole. So that's today. I can't wait. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Race Crown Stories signing off Good Bass one