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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: Crystal has a little bit of a family emergency. She

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Speaker 1: coming down. We really appreciate it. It's always good to

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Speaker 1: be here. Awesome. So we have so many amazing topics

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Speaker 1: to cover today. We have got a very interesting FBC

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Speaker 1: We'll break that all down for you. The Democrats are

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Speaker 1: to bring all of that to you. But obviously we

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Speaker 1: have just got election news cover to cover. We're going

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Speaker 1: to cover the twenty twenty four implications, how MSNBC was

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Speaker 1: handling it over there when Republican Glenn Young Cain win,

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Speaker 1: and let's start with the major takeaways. Now, look at

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Speaker 1: this point, all the hot takes that have been given

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Speaker 1: away from this segment is exactly what it means electorally

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Speaker 1: and the macro political shifts that we've seen in the

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Speaker 1: nothing sums it up better than this graph that we

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Speaker 1: that on the screen, which is what you're seeing there

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Speaker 1: Is every county in the state of Virginia, and there

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Speaker 1: is either a blue arrow which says that they became

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Speaker 1: one year, every single county had more of an increase

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Speaker 1: in its Republican vote. That's a takeaway. There is no

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Speaker 1: just one micro demographic. And we will get to that

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Speaker 1: about white women, about Latinos, but the main one is

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Speaker 1: that across the board, the republic looking Glenn Youngkin was

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Speaker 1: and so ABC News actually had a pretty good exit polling.

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Speaker 1: that thirty three percent of Virginia voters named the economy

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Speaker 1: Twenty four percent said education, sixteen percent said taxes, thirteen

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Speaker 1: main takeaway there, Marshall, Mine, and this was my entire

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Speaker 1: how it plays electorally. Only six percent of campaign dollars

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Speaker 1: giving these are ten year spending bills, would actually address

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Speaker 1: it's a confluence of everything. Many Republicans are claiming victory

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Speaker 1: And there's county level data which just goes to show

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Speaker 1: that counties that voted for Trump actually shifted fourteen points

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Speaker 1: So there's this fascinating dynamic, Marshal where Youngkin not only

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Speaker 1: everyone from jimmel Hill to Joy Reid who said this

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Speaker 1: election is a complete example of white supremacy. This this

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Speaker 1: love chances where we could actually take a step back.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second from if you're joy reading, you're Jamil Hill.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is like the epitome of white supremacy. What's

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Speaker 1: by their premise? They voted him down by ten points?

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Speaker 1: So wait what It is not only that, Marshal, these

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Speaker 1: many ways compared to Glenn Youngkins. So this isn't just

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Speaker 1: a case where for like culture reasons soccer, I are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Jamel Hill, it's wrong. It's like this is actually a

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Speaker 1: So just own that and don't be condescend to voters.

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Speaker 1: It's stupid, and yet they continue to keep this up.

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Speaker 1: On the joy Read front, we have this clip where

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Speaker 1: it's again just emphasizing January sixth, You know Republicans are dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. They would have to be willing to

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Speaker 1: say what you have said on your show. I think

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Speaker 1: we've all said a version of it. You have to

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Speaker 1: be willing to vocalize that these Republicans are dangerous, that

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Speaker 1: this isn't a party, that's just another political party that

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Speaker 1: disagrees with us on tax policy. That at this point

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Speaker 1: they're dangerous. They're dangerous to our national security because stoking

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Speaker 1: that kind of soft white nationalism eventually leads to the

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Speaker 1: hardcore stuff. It leads to the January six stuff. Because

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Speaker 1: if people are tolerant of it in your party, they're

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Speaker 1: tolerant of the soft racism, it's a really short trip

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Speaker 1: to get to the January sixth insurrectionist play. We're not

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Speaker 1: they're content. They just keep going. Martin Nae, Republicans are

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Speaker 1: dangerous And apparently January sixth had to do with critical

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Speaker 1: race theory. Now this is just so completely ridiculous. As

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Speaker 1: you said, actually either acknowledge it and defend it or

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Speaker 1: say no, that's not what we actually believe. But gaslighting

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Speaker 1: people about how it's you know, how it's racist, or

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Speaker 1: how everybody who voted that way is racist, it's just

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Speaker 1: not going to work. But they continue to do this,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, at this point, keep going, God

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Speaker 1: bless them, because this what's going to keep happening. Virginia,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. How the hell do you come within us

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Speaker 1: half a point of losing New Jersey, a state that

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Speaker 1: Biden won by sixteen points. But Jamel Hill the gift

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Speaker 1: that keeps on giving. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, she says, very simply. All actually know is

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Speaker 1: a Jonah Goldberg tweet. But this is also very important,

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Speaker 1: he says, all of the people on MSNBC convincing themselves

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Speaker 1: that all of these VA voters who voted for Biden

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Speaker 1: a year ago are idiots, racists, and or dupes is

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Speaker 1: pretty wild. And you know, you know, I'm loath to

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Speaker 1: agree with Jonah Goldberg, but that's actually a pretty good point,

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Speaker 1: which is that as we saw the rural voters themselves

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Speaker 1: that these people are decrying, they actually did not vote

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Speaker 1: for Trump in the same numbers that they voted for Younkin.

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Speaker 1: These suburban voters actually totally rejected Trump. But with Glenn Youngkin,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what they're trying to do is describe him

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Speaker 1: as some you know, like I think Van Jones called

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Speaker 1: him the quote the delta variant of trump Ism. But

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Speaker 1: it's important to see this fun. Yeah, that's a classic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll give it to him, all right. The

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Speaker 1: man has a way with word. It's kind of a joke.

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Speaker 1: But look, Jamal Hill, if we have that tweet, please

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Speaker 1: put that on the screen, because this is what they are.

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Speaker 1: This is their takeaway. It's not the messaging, folks. This

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Speaker 1: country simply loves white supremacy. What jahat Ali? It's the same,

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Speaker 1: similar one, you know. And these people are all over MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: There are contributing editors at the New York Times, Jamel

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Speaker 1: is a huge podcast, he's at the Atlantic. Put the

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Speaker 1: wa jahat Ali tweet up there also on the screen, please,

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Speaker 1: he says, quote whiteness remains undefeated. Let's wait and see

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Speaker 1: who these white suburban voters went for tonight in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: And he guesses, once again, this is the key thing

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Speaker 1: they went for. Glenn Youngkin. He's a rich private equity Carlisle. Well, guy,

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Speaker 1: once again, I said a bunch of things that are

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Speaker 1: very not normal, but the key thing is not normal.

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Speaker 1: And look, this is where we have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to the Republican Party for a second. This was

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Speaker 1: a normal campaign. Everything that Trump did, especially after COVID

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Speaker 1: just was not normal. And the thing here of it

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Speaker 1: you just in this, by the way, this is just

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Speaker 1: a tragedy of like the nationalization of American politics is

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing in these clips. We're not just I know,

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Speaker 1: it seems like we're just doing all these dunks on

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Speaker 1: the media. It's MSNBC, it's obvious, it's cringe whatever. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that actually matters here is what's becoming increasingly

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Speaker 1: clear is that because all these folks who have these

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Speaker 1: prominent purchases can only think of issues to the lens

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Speaker 1: of national politics, it literally rots their ability to think

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Speaker 1: about anything. Did in any of those segments, did you

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Speaker 1: hear someone say, Hey, Roll versus Urban Okay, Long Island, Okay,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. No, the only thing they can do is

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Speaker 1: talk about January sixth. I'm from Oregon, sagrestrom Texas. We're

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Speaker 1: not just in this Asalad Corridor bubble. I do not

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Speaker 1: know anyone who is organically talking about January sixth right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if Trump were on the ballot, that'd be one

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Speaker 1: of the versations. And actually, frankly, I think if Trump

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Speaker 1: was on the ballot, that is a completely reasonable twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four narrative. But once again, people, people, people, especially

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Speaker 1: speaking to the Democrats in the audience, just because you

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Speaker 1: have a niche, specific policy and political interest does not

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Speaker 1: mean you can go talk to everybody. You know. I'm

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Speaker 1: really into like local media funding. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: really important issue. I'm not, however, if I were going

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Speaker 1: to run for governor of a state going to walk

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Speaker 1: around shouting about it, because that's not what actual politics is.

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Speaker 1: So just cheese, everyone, Just let's okay. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: give you the final take from a man that I

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Speaker 1: branded a professional wrong person, doctor Jason Johnson on MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: Let me put this on the screen. So this was

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Speaker 1: his political advice that Democrats are losing because they don't

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Speaker 1: talk about January sixth enough. That's actually the real take

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Speaker 1: here from doctor Jason Johnson. He continues to earn his

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Speaker 1: stripe of the professional wrong person. It is amazing that

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Speaker 1: they continue to have him there on the network. But

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Speaker 1: this is what these people get, and you are beginning

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Speaker 1: to see the results of that. Let's move on to

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Speaker 1: the next segment, which I think is also very important

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Speaker 1: around the GOP in twenty twenty four. So the obvious

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Speaker 1: thing that we've been talking here about is Trump, which

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Speaker 1: is what role did Trump have in this? Was it

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Speaker 1: good for Republicans that he wasn't on the ballot, bad

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Speaker 1: for Republicans. Trump himself taking credit for right will show

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Speaker 1: you that. But check this out in terms of the

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Speaker 1: state of Virginia on favorability whatsoever. Let's put this on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So in the NBC exit polls, Trump's favorability

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Speaker 1: in the state of Virginia is forty one fifty four. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's about the margin that he lost to state, so

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. Youngkin's favorability is fifty three forty four,

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Speaker 1: So basically an outright switch there in terms of his favorability.

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Speaker 1: But here's what's really fascinating. Terry mccaulliff's favorability was forty

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Speaker 1: four fifty three. He was basically tied with Trump in

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Speaker 1: terms of out unfavorable he was viewed in the state.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely fascinating to me to see that. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're a never Trumper, what your takeaway is, Oh, Trump,

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Speaker 1: you was, you know, Trump's on the ballot. This is

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Speaker 1: the best we could possibly do. The shows that we

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Speaker 1: need to move on from Trump. I think it's probably

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Speaker 1: a lot more complicated than that, And this is where

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Speaker 1: the battle for the narrative really comes into play. Trump

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Speaker 1: himself immediately taking credit for it. Let's put that on screen.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the results, he says, I would like

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Speaker 1: to thank my base, all caps for coming out in

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Speaker 1: the force and voting for Glenn Youngkin. Without you, he

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Speaker 1: would not have been close to winning. The MAGA movement

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Speaker 1: is bigger and stronger than ever before. Glenn will be

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Speaker 1: a great governor. Thank you to the people of the

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Speaker 1: Commonwealth of Virginia, most particularly to our incredible MAGA voters.

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Speaker 1: Trump has an obvious interest there and trying to brand

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Speaker 1: this as some sort of MAGA victory, and once again

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Speaker 1: I reject both. This was not a repudiation of Trump.

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Speaker 1: It also was not an affirmation of Trump. It was

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Speaker 1: a repudiation of Joe Biden, and that kind of scrambles

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Speaker 1: everything whenever we have to begin to talk about the

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Speaker 1: GOP in twenty twenty four. And one thing that I

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Speaker 1: would be remiss, because I think everybody is missing this

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Speaker 1: is how did we come to the point of having

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Speaker 1: Glenn Youngkin, this former Carlisle Group, super rich private equity

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Speaker 1: CEO run as some sort of west verying, middle of

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Speaker 1: the road guy. Doesn't seem all that offensive, you know,

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Speaker 1: seems five eh kind of the shrug candidate. How exactly

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Speaker 1: did he come to be the nominee of the GOP

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Speaker 1: because what we are seeing across the entire country right

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Speaker 1: now is that GOP primary races are becoming referendums on Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's because of the base. But how did Glenn Youngin

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Speaker 1: overcome that? There's not a lot of discussion of this,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually very important put this tweet up there

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Please credit to Matt Glassman, who's actually

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Speaker 1: the person who flagged this, which is that both parties

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Speaker 1: might well do to investigate how much the GOP convention

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Speaker 1: with ranked choice voting helped to not or produce a

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Speaker 1: candidate that could win statewide. And I've become obsessed with this, Marshall,

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Speaker 1: because I looked into it and he's totally right, which

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Speaker 1: is Glenn Youngin was the nominee based on ranked choice

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Speaker 1: voting at that convention. Now, think about the previous GOP

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Speaker 1: nominees in the state of Virginia. Remember Ed Gillespie, who

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Speaker 1: was the twothy seventeen nominee for governor, came a hair's

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Speaker 1: breath away from losing that nomination to Corey Stewart in outright,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of trump Ist type of candidate who

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Speaker 1: then went on to lose in the next race where

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Speaker 1: he won state wide or where he won the primary

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Speaker 1: but then lost state wide by a massive margin. And

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Speaker 1: so I've been thinking about this, which is that Youngkein,

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Speaker 1: by benefiting from the ranked choice voting at the convention,

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Speaker 1: actually made it through when he almost certainly has the

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Speaker 1: type of candidate that he was would have lost in

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Speaker 1: some sort of open primary system to a trump Ist

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Speaker 1: style candidate was the only one capable of winning statewide.

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Speaker 1: So what does that tell you is that the primary system,

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Speaker 1: which is currently architected to produce types like Corey Stewart

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Speaker 1: or other mega maga folks, they probably would have lost

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Speaker 1: against Terry mccauliffe. So it's a fascinating not just affirmation

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Speaker 1: really of rank choice voting in the convention system, which

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's a lot possible lessons to be

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Speaker 1: learned there, but really about how if the system is

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Speaker 1: designed to produce not even a moderate candidate because that's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the right word, but not somebody who is

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Speaker 1: wholly beholden to the base, that they could actually go

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Speaker 1: on to win statewide. Now, no Republican out there is

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Speaker 1: going to want to endorse this because it's more of

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Speaker 1: a repudiation of Maga and f Trump. But there's a

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Speaker 1: profound lesson here in how Glenn Youngkin himself was the

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Speaker 1: candidate that ultimately won by a couple of points in

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Speaker 1: the state of Virginia. Well, look, and this shows, and

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Speaker 1: this is where you have to push back on Trump's statement.

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Speaker 1: This is why the word base is just used and

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Speaker 1: abused once again. The base under Trump's framework came out

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Speaker 1: more for Glenn Youngkin, this more moderate person, than for

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Speaker 1: actual Maga itself. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the bases, it's a set of people who have certain interests,

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Speaker 1: whot certain ways, and Frank, we know one owns it.

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Speaker 1: And you have the worst part about this whole base discussion,

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Speaker 1: which is that Trump is just such a singular, unique

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Speaker 1: figure right now. He is the person of the age.

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Speaker 1: And when you see all these is like half trumpy fakers, weirdos.

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Speaker 1: Corey Stewart's great example of this. You just see how

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Speaker 1: these people abuse that Trump's based narrative to actually take

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Speaker 1: it to their conclusions. They say, well, look, that's Trump's space,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do a weird attempt to be trumpy.

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Speaker 1: But Glenn Youngkin shows Hey, Actually there are issues. There's

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Speaker 1: a broader political atmosphere here. I'm going to sound like

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Speaker 1: a broken record here, but you can speak to that base,

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Speaker 1: but issues that are duply important to them. But doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean you have to do a knockoff. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to be a politician. I hate you've seen all these

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Speaker 1: people not gonna name names, but who are just like

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Speaker 1: doing the weird trumpy hand motions. Let's just call him this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why are you doing that? Dude? Like to stop, it's

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Speaker 1: way too informal, call him dude, But it's just like

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Speaker 1: what like Glen young Like, this is actually what Glenn Youngkin.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of praise and why once again,

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Speaker 1: I think when Ross doubt had our friend is, you know,

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Speaker 1: say hey, he should think about twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 1: think that's going a bit too far in terms of

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Speaker 1: getting out of the horses here. But the key thing

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Speaker 1: is Glenn Youngkin. It's probably because he's a wealthy dude

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Speaker 1: and this kind of happened. He seems very secure in himself,

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Speaker 1: right he says, Hey, I'm Glenn Youngkin. I'm a wealthy dude.

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Speaker 1: I look like a suburban harmless dad, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to run a campaign that way. Rabin always deeply insecure

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Speaker 1: people who are so terrified of Trump that they feel

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Speaker 1: the need to just not be themselves. And what I

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Speaker 1: suspect to end up happening is voters are going to

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Speaker 1: see through it. It's not going to work because once again,

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Speaker 1: no one is voting for Trump because he does this right,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Colter actually, obviously she doesn't like Trump,

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Speaker 1: but I still, you know, to be honest, you might

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Speaker 1: be one of the better political analysts who was out there.

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Speaker 1: Let's put that up there on the screen, and she

662
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Speaker 1: just towetted this. Trump is so over And I think

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Speaker 1: what's fascinating about this is that Trump himself he can't

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Speaker 1: stand the idea that this is much bigger than him,

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Speaker 1: and yet it is. Look at those rural voting numbers.

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Speaker 1: The rural vote, which was Trump's base, came out harder

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Speaker 1: for Glenn Youngkin than they did for Trump. At the

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Speaker 1: same time that suburban voters who hated Trump also came

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Speaker 1: out for Glenn Youngkin. That is a total scramble of

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Speaker 1: the map. And when you see and again it's not

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Speaker 1: also a affirmation necessarily of like Jeb Bush, right, it's

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Speaker 1: like Trump certainly changed the Republican Party. But what it

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Speaker 1: does go to show you is that the politics which

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Speaker 1: are going to be winning for the GOP in the future,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a lot to do with Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: himself unless he himself is the person at the top

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Speaker 1: is the key. That is the key thing here, because

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Speaker 1: we have to look at the Trump is so overpoint

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Speaker 1: and look at it from two different angles. So I

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Speaker 1: think Trump is over in the sense that Glen Youngkin

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Speaker 1: these candidates in New Jersey people they're not running on immigration.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a build the Wall thing. They're not wearing

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Speaker 1: maga hats. I don't think that's a particularly relevant I

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Speaker 1: think that's just taking just as just as Mike Hillary

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Speaker 1: Quinton tried too much to rerun Obama's two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight campus right. The good way of summing up why

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Speaker 1: a lot of these mega candidates are pretty weak is

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Speaker 1: they're overdoing. They're just trying to replicate a twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: dynamic that this does consistently not exist, So that part

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Speaker 1: is over. At the same time, though, if we're talking

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Speaker 1: about political talent, if we're talking about actually building a coalition,

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Speaker 1: Trump can be over narrative we're speaking. But let's be real,

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four primary is still his for the taking, right,

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Speaker 1: because there still is not a set of politicians who

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Speaker 1: has quite Trump's mix of skill set, tied to the

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Speaker 1: base and frankly ability to say, hey, look back to

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen. I know a good friend of

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Speaker 1: ours said, like, Maga is going to take a very

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Speaker 1: special meaning if Trump runs again, because Maggie will basically

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Speaker 1: make America twenty seventeen twenty eighteen again. Yes, and with

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Speaker 1: these voters you're really tired, that's going to mean something

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Speaker 1: And look like DeSantis, Rubio, Josh Holly, Ted Cruz. None

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Speaker 1: of these people will have any ability to defeat Trump

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Speaker 1: on a primary. So we basically have a situation where

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Speaker 1: anyone looking for hope about the future of the Republican

706
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Speaker 1: Party basically shouldn't find any because at a core level,

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Speaker 1: we're stuck in this weird point that basically means this

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Speaker 1: decade is just going to be a total, total wa wash.

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Speaker 1: It's a crazy system where they both have the advantage

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Speaker 1: and they will have major, major wins here in this

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Speaker 1: election and in twenty twenty two become twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: We could just see a redux of twenty twenty because

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Speaker 1: of Trump himself. It's a crazy system, but that's the

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Speaker 1: one we have. Let's get to some of the economic news.

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Speaker 1: This is very important what Crystal and I have been

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Speaker 1: tracking here for a long time. So the salt deduction,

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Speaker 1: just a brief explainer here at the top. So what

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Speaker 1: is the salt deduction? State and local tax deduction. It

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Speaker 1: does not impact ninety nine point nine percent of you

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Speaker 1: who watch this show. Now. What it is is that

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Speaker 1: whenever you pay taxes to your state and local government,

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Speaker 1: so particularly in states like New York City or San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: California with high tax rates Jersey, Previously, in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: you were previously allowed to deduct what you paid to

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Speaker 1: the state government from your federal tax income or your

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Speaker 1: federal taxable income. This led to five to six figure

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Speaker 1: savings for many rich people. It was disproportionately given to

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Speaker 1: the top one percent, and specifically people who make over

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Speaker 1: one million dollars a year and especially in the billionaire range. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that was repealed and taken away in the Trump twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen tax cut, and it was seen as a punishment

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Speaker 1: of blue states. It has since been a top priority

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Speaker 1: of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and New Jersey politicians to

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Speaker 1: put into this reconciliation bill. So we've been watching this

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Speaker 1: like a hawk because, once again, given the fact that

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Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema has ruled out tax increases on people making

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Speaker 1: over four hundred thousand dollars a year and no increase

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Speaker 1: in capital gains, that if a salt tax deduction was

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Speaker 1: brought back, that it would be a massive tax cut

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Speaker 1: for the wealthiest people in America. And I have good

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Speaker 1: news for all of you. They have decided to do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this in the screen. Josh Gottheimer tweeting, great news,

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Speaker 1: here come tax cuts for New Jersey families. Reinstating the

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Speaker 1: state and local tax deduction will be in the final

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Speaker 1: legislative package. Now we need to get it to the

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Speaker 1: floor for a vote. We're gonna get this thing done.

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Speaker 1: Gotttheimer is famously the man who proclaimed no salt, no dice,

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Speaker 1: and from what I have heard, it is literally one

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Speaker 1: of the top priorities for Democratic leadership, both in the

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Speaker 1: House and the Senate. Given that House leadership is from

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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Chuck Schumer is from New York, so they

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Speaker 1: are going to make sure that this thing is inside

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Speaker 1: the bill. But I want to make people understand just

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Speaker 1: how big of a tax cut for the rich that

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Speaker 1: this is. Let's put this on the screen. Mark Goldwine,

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Speaker 1: he's been excellent on the salt tax. Here's how he

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Speaker 1: describes it. The salt cap deduction, which is being proposed

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Speaker 1: by Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, would be a five

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollar tax cut, with over four hundred billion

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Speaker 1: of it going to the top five percent of households.

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Speaker 1: That is more than the Democrats are spending on anything

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Speaker 1: else in the bill. It is two point five times

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Speaker 1: as much as they are spending on the child tax

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Speaker 1: Credit and the EITC combined. So let that sink in,

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Speaker 1: which is that the largest spending provision. And by spending,

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Speaker 1: what I mean is giving their whole accounting games they

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Speaker 1: have to make up for revenue elsewhere. The largest thing

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Speaker 1: that they are outlaying in terms of giving up federal

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Speaker 1: revenue for is a tax cut for millionaires and billionaires.

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Speaker 1: And it just goes to show you that this is

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Speaker 1: they think about all the things that have dropped in

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Speaker 1: this bill. So I'm gonna try and channel Crystal here.

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Speaker 1: They tried what they promised six trillion dollars. That's what

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Speaker 1: Biden ran on. Free community college is gone. Now it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be pelgrants. Paid family leave is gone. Now it's

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Speaker 1: going to be some sort of subsidy system. Childcare provisions

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Speaker 1: are in there, but the way that they're going to

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Speaker 1: be enacted are actually almost certainly going to raise childcare

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Speaker 1: costs for the middle class. So it'll be a poor subsidy,

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Speaker 1: but overall will be a total wash. There's several child

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Speaker 1: tax credit is not being extended fully and is going

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Speaker 1: to be being tested. So all of those programs there

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Speaker 1: that I just listed climate provisions. I know that the

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Speaker 1: progressives are very upset about, but the one thing they're

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Speaker 1: making sure comes in is a five hundred billion dollar

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Speaker 1: tax cut. Here's the thing, Marshall. The Tax Cuts and

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Speaker 1: Jobs Act of twenty seventeen was rightfully reviled, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: as a massive corporate giveaway and tax cut for the rich.

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Speaker 1: And yet these Democrats who ran on this bill, they

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Speaker 1: ran specifically against this, and yet in effect are making

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Speaker 1: sure that such a tax provision is in there. Now.

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Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I did not say that

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Speaker 1: there is some sort of developments on this. Senator Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders put this on the screen please, said that he

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Speaker 1: would vote against this tax cut four billionaires. He said,

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Speaker 1: called it quote beyond unacceptable. But from developments as of

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Speaker 1: this morning, what we're basically seeing is that they're going

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Speaker 1: to try and cap it at like seventy two thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars or something in terms of the deduction you can take,

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Speaker 1: which would still be a five figure toimecot for the

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Speaker 1: majority of people who are making over a million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year. There is no way to frame it. Any

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Speaker 1: sort of salt tax deduction repeal would be a massive

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Speaker 1: giveaway to the top one percent. It's it's a fascinating thing.

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Speaker 1: Let me play establishment no, because you know, look it's

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Speaker 1: like he said, yeah, no salt tax, no dice. So

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Speaker 1: I think about that. I think just think about that

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Speaker 1: for a second. Because once again, like parties are coalitions

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Speaker 1: of people, and as we just saw last night, when

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Speaker 1: last night, you know, we saw in Virginia and New

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Speaker 1: Jersey and Long Island, when Democrats don't deliver for upper

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Speaker 1: middle class people, there is there is a very serious

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Speaker 1: thing because once again, I know Bernie's talk of millionaires

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Speaker 1: and billionaires, that's not those are not the like, no

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Speaker 1: billionaires voting on to millionaires certainly are though, but no.

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Speaker 1: But but the primary people who are again in this

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Speaker 1: are upper middle class people like probably people who make

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Speaker 1: over five hundred k years. But that's the likes, that's

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Speaker 1: your upper middle class family, Like that is like the

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Speaker 1: target here. This is basically a significant base of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. I do not think there are significant numbers

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Speaker 1: of like real real, real, real millionaires like you made

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Speaker 1: the statement that the richest people in America are benefiting.

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Speaker 1: It's like the people who actually care about this, like

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Speaker 1: gott Heeimer is speaking really about those people making four

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Speaker 1: hundred to six hundred k when he's talking about his

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Speaker 1: New Jersey base. So look, I think if you're a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: it's horse trading. The real thing if you that you're

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Speaker 1: a Democrat, that you should frankly be concerned about here

830
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Speaker 1: is to get some bill passed. You literally need to

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Speaker 1: have this provision because there's a real coalition with real

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Speaker 1: voice that wants this. The reason why paid sickly is

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Speaker 1: getting cut, the reason why these other things are getting cut,

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Speaker 1: is because guess what. Christen's Cinema won't go for it.

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Speaker 1: Joe Manstream will go for it. So the broader question

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Speaker 1: here is it's easy to just be like, oh, like

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, she's a corporate student, blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, like we get it. The bigger question

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Speaker 1: is why is it that there is enough actual protical

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Speaker 1: power be welded by Democrats to actually put the other

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Speaker 1: parts of the bill in here, Because in an ideal state,

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Speaker 1: you'd have a situation where, look, you give the upper

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Speaker 1: middle class people what they want, some sort of salt deduction,

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Speaker 1: but also you then get paid to leave, you then

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Speaker 1: get some form of green news. This is a point. No,

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Speaker 1: that's a good point, and this is actually where you know,

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Speaker 1: once again to Channel Crystal, it does go to show

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Speaker 1: you how weak many of these progressive voters are because

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Speaker 1: they are not drawing similar lines and they've actually budged

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Speaker 1: on every single one of them. So, for example, they

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Speaker 1: said originally no paid family, no dental or whatever, I

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00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: won't vote for the bill. Now Bernie is saying, well, okay,

853
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe you know, I'll maybe I'll vote for this salt

854
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: you know thing. But actually I'm not going to hold

855
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: the line whenever it comes to dental. Okay, so they said,

856
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: but Bernie, but ken Bernie here's well yeah, I mean

857
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: Joe man for one thing, but that's important. Well, and

858
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: this is this is where progressives or a real part.

859
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: And I think I'm trying to defend Bernie here Bridley,

860
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: because I think what a lot of progresses don't understand

861
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: is that Joe Manchin, if No Bill passes, that's a

862
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: win for just care. Joe Kirson Cinema will girl boss

863
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: her way to No Bill as well too that but

864
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: getting nothing is still a victor for them. If you

865
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: were Bernie Sanders, he still needs something, so like, I

866
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: don't want to so how can he draw a line

867
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: because then it's like then Tormantis like, all right, dude, right,

868
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: too bad, And that's continually that's what Mansion has told him.

869
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Mansion apparently held up a fat zero and he goes,

870
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: this is what I can live with, Bernie, something like that,

871
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: which you know, in a way, I guess I respect it.

872
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: And it's the same in the house though, And this

873
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: is actually where they probably have the most leverage in

874
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: the House, because I think today the official margin of

875
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: the House moves to just two Democratic votes. It's like

876
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: two eight two twenty one or something anyway, so they

877
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: have almost no majority there and they can easily try

878
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and force Look, and like you said, you're not getting

879
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: a green new deal. Everybody knows that ain't gonna happen.

880
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: But in terms of like baid family leave or actually

881
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: the Medicare prescription drug pricing, in terms of negotiating on that,

882
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: these are things that none of them were willing to

883
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: hold the line on. And ultimately the stuff that is

884
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: going into the bill is exactly what you said. These

885
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: Gotttheimer people actually would vote this thing down if it

886
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: did not have a tax cut for the richest. Well, okay,

887
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: let's say everybody making over five hundred thousand dollars a year,

888
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: which is those are the people getting the biggest tax

889
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: cut from this. That's just true. But the progressives who

890
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: claimed that they had all these red lines, this was

891
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: again it goes to show you that their threats are empty.

892
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: They're like, we will vote down this bill, and then

893
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: they just vote for it. Promila Jaapaul had even abandoned

894
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: their strategy where they said that they were going to

895
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: vote for they would only vote for their infrastructure bill

896
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: as long as the social welfare bill passed. That has

897
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: now been given up. So it goes to show you

898
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: that the only people who were really willing to hold

899
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: a hard line in this were the salt tax people,

900
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: Joe Manchin, Kirsten Cinema, and they are getting everything that

901
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: they want the last thing years. Here's the question I

902
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: put on your proto quick consultant hat what should progressives do?

903
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: Because what you seem to be articulating is this idea

904
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: that they talked a big games at a practical level,

905
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: AOC promiliae General Paul Bernie, they can draw as many

906
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: red lines in the sand and then Joe Mansion will

907
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: literally laugh about like that was that was a bad

908
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: misallocation of political resources in rhetoric. What can they actually

909
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: do because they cannot say zero yes, right, So what

910
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: do you actually advise? They should not have drawn red lines,

911
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: They should have looked, They should have been honest, like, look,

912
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Joe Manchin's got the thing, you know, like if we're

913
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: not here's the thing, unless you're actually willing to not

914
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: vote for it, then don't say that, and like that's

915
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: a good don't I'm out to say I'm not going

916
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: to vote for it, and then vote for it, because

917
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: then you look like an idiot. And guess what you'll

918
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: look like an idiot. That's what's happening here. So be honest.

919
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if anyone, Bernie was probably the most honest

920
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: of him. He's like, look, we got some hard problems

921
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: here in the Senate. And you know, Joe Manchin, I'm

922
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Crystal pressed him repeatedly in her interview, and he was,

923
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, pretty squishy whenever it came to am I

924
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: going to demand this? Am I going to demand that?

925
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: I mean AOC and Rashida Talib and all those people

926
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: straight up said they would not vote for the bill,

927
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: and now they're going to vote for so, Like, it

928
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: just goes to show that your threats are empty and

929
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: unless you mean it, don't say it because you look

930
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: like a total joke. Okay, let's move on to the

931
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: foreign money in elections. This is a really crazy story

932
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: that I've been trying to wrap my head around for

933
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: a while. So let's put this up there on the screen.

934
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: The FEC is going to let foreigners finance US ballot fights. Now,

935
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: this opens up a long stranding tradition against foreign money

936
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: in US elections. What the FBC has ruled here is

937
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: that foreign donors can finance any referendum campaign. Now. The

938
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: reason it matters is because foreign nationals have long time

939
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: been barred from donating to not only any political candidates,

940
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: but also committees. Now the FBC decision is going to

941
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: allow them to support ballot committees, which is a very

942
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: very dicey provision because as we see in states like

943
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: California and elsewhere, we lorrenda come on the ballot all

944
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: of the time. And the reason it matters is because

945
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: only seven states currently bar foreign funding to state registered

946
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: ballot committees. And this matters especially in actually border states

947
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: with Canada, because sometimes Canada, you know, wants to finance

948
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: elections in like Maine or Vermont against like maple syrup

949
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: regulations and all kinds of stuff, but Mexico as well.

950
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: It could also lead to you know, any sort of

951
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: state ride referenda. Whenever it comes to social cultural issues.

952
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: We've seen BDS laws all across the nation. You could

953
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: easily see Israelly money come in on that one. You

954
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: could see Chinese money come in if there was ever

955
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: referenda whenever it comes to domestic manufacturing regulations or also

956
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: meet regulations in states like California, Iowa and more, which

957
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: govern massively the Chinese market who buy many of these things.

958
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: It's a huge, very concerning thing there, Marshall, because the

959
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: decision stems originally and I just want to give people

960
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: the background from a canad subsidiary of an Australian firm

961
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: which actually financed a measure to block restrictions on hard

962
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: rock mining in Montana. And I think that's a great

963
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: example because in practice, that's the stuff that it's really

964
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: going to look like, these very small things within states

965
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: which you know, we may not necessarily get a lot

966
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: of attention, but which have massive business interests for varieties

967
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: of countries across the globe. Here's what I'm going to

968
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: broken record myself say, here's what I don't understand about

969
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his Democratic Party. People really care about

970
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 1: this integrity of elections issue. Yeah, that's true. Obviously, Sorry

971
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: to piss anyone off in the audience here. The twenty

972
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: twenty election was not stolen. Anybody who watches breaking Yeah

973
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: at this point, at this point, hopefully those viewers have

974
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: been have been shadow hope this is in a shocker dominion,

975
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a weird corrupt Venezuela. I don't even articulate that

976
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: one properly. But here's the broader point. There is still

977
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: a broad narrative in our society even hey, we don't

978
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: trust this process is always new mail in voting. I'm

979
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: from Morgan, I'm totally find off male in voting. But

980
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I understand people see these changes and they say, hey,

981
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem okay. Out trust the system. The big

982
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: story of our time is declining institutional trust and basically everything. Therefore,

983
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: here's what Joe Biden should just do in order to

984
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: lead up to twenty twenty four to build credibility with

985
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: people when it comes to these actual creatives, Like Joe

986
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: Biden should actually just be like, hey, this isn't cool.

987
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: It's my fec I own it. Maybe there's something he

988
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: can't do about this in terms of like the actual

989
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: bureaucrats there. But why aren't Democrats saying, hey, we're going

990
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: to support ballot measures in all these states to make

991
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: sure this doesn't happen. We don't want foreign money in

992
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: our elections, we want them to be integral. We think

993
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: that this is entirely compatible with mail and voting and

994
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: expanded access. I actually do not get why this is

995
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: not at the top of everyone's mind. It really should be,

996
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: and luckily two people in the Senate actually do want

997
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: to do something about it. And I want to give

998
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: total credit where it is due. So let's put that

999
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: on the screen. And what I'm calling for is for

1000
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: everybody in order to back this ledge it's by Marco

1001
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: Rubio and Kirsten Gillibrand, which would close exactly the loophole

1002
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: which allows foreign nationals to bankroll efforts to reshape state

1003
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: and local laws. That way, you don't even have to

1004
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: do state ballots for all of that. The Biden administration,

1005
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: the White House should come out and endorse this legislation. Now,

1006
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: all the Republicans should also get behind it, and same

1007
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: with all the Democrats. It would actually send a real

1008
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: message if this were to pass one hundred to zero

1009
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: through the Senate, and four hundred I'm sure you know

1010
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: some idiot like Thomas Massey or whatever will vote against

1011
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: it in the House. But anyway, four thirty four to

1012
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: one in the House, because you know, well, the federal

1013
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: government shouldn't be telling foreign nationals not to vote in

1014
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: our elections. I can't wait to hear that libertarian talking point. Okay,

1015
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: all that snark being said. I'm calling on everybody to

1016
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: try and push this type of legislation. It's very important because,

1017
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: as I said, if you're on the left, you should

1018
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: be concerned about Israel coming in and funding BDS campaigns.

1019
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: If you're on the right, you should be concerned about China, Canada,

1020
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: Mexico or others trying to influence our mind any regulations

1021
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: in Montana. I mean, look, that's up to Montana. It

1022
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: ain't up to you Canada, it ain't up to you Australia.

1023
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: We run our affairs the way that we want to

1024
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: give people an insight into something that's happening right here

1025
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: right now. The Biden administration pushing those electric vehicle subsidies

1026
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: subsidies through Congress, which are all US made and more.

1027
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: Guess who's lobbying hardcore right now in Washington against that.

1028
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: The Canadian government, because they have ev facilities that they

1029
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: subsidize back in their hometown, and they're saying that, oh,

1030
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: we're going to see you in the WTO and we're

1031
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: going to make sure that this doesn't go unanswered, and

1032
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: all of that. Guess what bring it on? You know,

1033
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: if we want to subsidize our ev business, we're gonna

1034
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: do that. And you are welcome to try if you

1035
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: would like to in the Canadian markets, or you can

1036
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: just acquiesce to what we're doing. It's just an example

1037
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: of if this were up to a state ballot initiative,

1038
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: this is exactly the type of thing that they would fund.

1039
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of different nefarious actions that could

1040
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: come into play here. It would undermine faith in our

1041
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: elections and already should and if people in DC are serious,

1042
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: this is exactly what they should get behind. Okay, let's

1043
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and get to my monologue. There's nothing like

1044
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: election Night in America every year. I genuinely love it.

1045
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: After all the talking, the gas lighting, the money, the

1046
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: actual people show up and show Washington just how full

1047
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: of it that they actually are. Tuesday night did not disappoint, obviously,

1048
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: with Glenn Youngkins winning the Virginia governor's race, but a

1049
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: near tie for Republicans in New Jersey as well, with

1050
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: massive sweeps in more suburban districts like Nassau County in

1051
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: New York State. Now Obviously, the right is ebuliant. This

1052
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: is probably their best night nationally since Election Night twenty sixteen,

1053
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: and already the battle for the narrative as to why

1054
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: Republicans won so big is on the general consensus as

1055
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: far as I can tell within the right is this,

1056
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: it's the culture war stupid. In this telling, Glen Youngkin's

1057
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: relentless pursuit against critical race theory in Virginia schools was

1058
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: what pushed him over the edge, drove out Trump voters

1059
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: and won back suburban voters. And there's some to this,

1060
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: but it's important to parse it deeply to figure out

1061
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: which and what exact culture war is being fought. A

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Speaker 1: particular threat that I found very useful was this by

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Speaker 1: Stephen Portenoay of CBS News, breaking down the exit polls

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Speaker 1: issue by issue. Number one, should Confederate monuments be taken down?

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Speaker 1: Fifty four percent said no, forty percent said yes. On abortion,

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Speaker 1: sixty percent said it should be illegal, while thirty seven

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Speaker 1: percent said it should be illegal. How much should parents

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00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: have a say in schools? More than eighty percent set

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Speaker 1: either some or a lot. Requiring vaccine mandates for employers,

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Speaker 1: it was fifty four to four forty two oppose and

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Speaker 1: eighty four percent of the electorate in Virginia was vaccinated. Now,

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Speaker 1: pretty confusing stuff, right. The biggest problem that our media,

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00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: in our national discourse has is they don't really understand

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Speaker 1: that the culture war changed some time ago. Guns, abortion

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: and gay marriage, that is so yesterday, as you can

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00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: see in the Confederate Monument's question, and what people have

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00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: to say around having parents to have a say in education.

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00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: The new culture, which benefits the right, has big majorities,

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Speaker 1: and its majority lies under a theme of pushing back

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: against political correctness by the activist, culturally left higher elite. Now,

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Speaker 1: my friends on the right who are so astatic about

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Speaker 1: the results in Virginia would be fools to think that

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Speaker 1: this is some referendum on social conservatism, or at least

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Speaker 1: social conservatism as it was previously understood. It really has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. Instead, the culture war of

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00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: today is simply this, do you like the general social

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Speaker 1: norms of around twenty fourteen or not. My friend Michael

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00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Doherty of National Review, he's been on the show before.

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00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: He put this very well quote, Republican culture war politics

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: work way better when they are a defense of normal

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00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: people versus ideologues, they don't work. As let's make America

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Speaker 1: more evangelical. I would add Catholic to that list too,

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Speaker 1: and I would also go deeper. Remember, Virginia is not

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Speaker 1: the only state that was big for Republicans. Joe Biden

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00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: won New Jersey by sixteen points, and it looks like

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Speaker 1: even if the Democratic there, the Democrat there does prevail,

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Speaker 1: it will only be by few tenths of one percent.

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: New Jersey did not have a hyper nationalized race. Around

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Speaker 1: critical race theory, this is simply a revolt against the

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00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: elites in all forms culture, of course, but a deeper

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: indictment of the expert class. Here again, it is important

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Speaker 1: to parse the nuance. The New Jersey race shows that

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00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: the electorate at large is simply sick of COVID restrictions.

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00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: It is sick of chaos, and rightfully blame Biden because

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00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: he said he would take us back to normal and

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00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: he simply hasn't. He rarely, if ever, appears to be

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Speaker 1: tackling the downstream effects of chaos, like the supply chain

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00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: crisis or gas prices, and is instead focusing on passing

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00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: a bill that pretty much nobody in America cares about whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Now look at this more and more, I am convinced

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00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: of a theory of politics and of conservatism that I

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Speaker 1: put forward months ago. This week's election was a victory

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Speaker 1: for barstool conservatism. I know people's eyes rolling, but hear

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Speaker 1: me out. Matthew Walter, in that original piece on the subject,

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00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: observed of Trump's success that he quote recognized there are

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00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: millions of Americans who do not oppose or even care

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: about abortion or same sex marriage, much less stem cell

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: research or any of the other causes that animated traditional conservatives.

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Speaker 1: He continued quote. Instead, he correctly intuited that the new

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Speaker 1: culture War would be fought over very different and more

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00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: nebulous issues, vague concerns about political correctness and sjw's opposition

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: to the popularization of so called critical race theory, sentimentality

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Speaker 1: about the American flag and the military. Add into that

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00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: that the original barstool pushback against Lockdown's general distrust of

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Speaker 1: public health elite like doctor Fauci, and you have an

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Speaker 1: exact roadmap as to why this election went the way

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Speaker 1: that it did. But as I warned in my original

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: barstool monologue, don't be too thrilled. While the era of

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: socially liberal fiscally conservative is over. It's far more likely

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00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: that's socially conservative, at least in the new culture war

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: or sense that we've gone over, pairs pretty well with

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Speaker 1: fiscal conservatism. That's the preferences of the suburban voters that

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: went to the Democrats in twenty twenty, and it will

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00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: once again be the electoral justification for pretty much the

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00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: inherent donor preference within the Republican Party today. While yes,

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: this will remain at odds with the economic interests of

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00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: many of the rural and working class voters who find

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Speaker 1: themselves voting Republican today, the contradiction doesn't mean anything at all,

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: as long as they rightfully distrust the intentions of a

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Speaker 1: group of people that they want to change the way

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: they speak, rule the way that they behave in their

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00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: day to day lives, and sign the country up for

1143
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: a social project nobody has any interest in participating in.

1144
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: Just frickin' be normal. That's the battlecry of today's politics.

1145
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Whoever comes closer to that maxim will win. Joe Biden

1146
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: was closer to normal in twenty twenty. That's why he

1147
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: won the GOP today by simply being opposed to the

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: mentally ill professors and public health bureaucrats is closer to

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00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: that right now. Whomever is closer to that in twenty

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01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: twenty four will win too, And I'm starting to think

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01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: that person's name is probably not Joe Biden. It's amazing,

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: isn't it, Marshall? That normalcy as nebulous and kind of

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01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: ridiculous as it may. So, Marshall, what do you take

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: a look at right now? I'm focused on what Joe

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: Biden needs to take away from what just happened here.

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk at the start of

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Speaker 1: his presidency about Joe Biden is the new FDR, much

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Speaker 1: as frankly happened during the Obama presidency too, And speaking

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: of your most recent monologue, the question facing both political

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: parties moving forward has been how do we get office

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: and then use our mandate to do something big, whether

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01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: it's Obama and the stimulus package, whether it's President Trump

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: and reforming healthcare or passing the Heckut Jobs Act. You've

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: now had Joe Biden to you how to do the

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01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: same thing of build back better, and that just has

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: distinctly not worked. So hitting this point in Virginia and

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Speaker 1: New Jersey and Long Island. President Biden needs to take

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: this exact moment too, frankly, hit reset and re conceptualized

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Speaker 1: himself as a president once again. There is an almost

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty Senate where you have two senators on

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01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: the Democratic side who Joe Biden can literally offer nothing.

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01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: It's Kristen Cinema and Joe Manchin, no matter what their motivations,

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: have no incentive to push through an aggressive, aggressive agenda,

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Speaker 1: which is bad news if you're conceiving yourself as FDR

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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty three or FDR in nineteen thirty seven.

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01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: It was a mistake on the part of pundits on

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Speaker 1: the part of people in the Democratic Party to put

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01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: that idea in Joe Biden's head. That is effectively over

1179
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: last night, frank we never really existed in the first place.

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Speaker 1: If you do not have a governing mandate, you cannot

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Speaker 1: actually do something. It's important to note that President Obama

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: actually had a sixty seat Senate majority for a hot

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: second there, and that wasn't even sustainable in the long

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01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: term either. So I suggest the politicians in the Democratic

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01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: and Republican parties try something a little different. What say

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: they try just not doing anything. That sounds counterintuitive, but

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: it actually drives really wealth. With Sager saying, and let's

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01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: speak specifically to Democrats here. If you are a Democrat,

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: you have to recognize that, for good or for ill,

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Speaker 1: you are the party of institutions. You're the party of

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: the public school system. You're the party of the federal government.

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01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: You're the party that wants affirmative things. You want to

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01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: pass a health care but you want to pass the

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01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,439
Speaker 1: stimulus package, you want to do a variety of things.

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Speaker 1: As we learn during the Trump presidency, Trump could actually

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01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: not do literally anything. The Republican Party could not actually

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: even have a platform in twenty twenty, and actually he

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: could improve on his votes. So if you're a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: you're going to default to wanting to do things. However,

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: whenever things have been done, it actually hasn't worked. And

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01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: part of the reason why this hasn't actually worked is

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01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: the actual institutions Democrats to try it an attempt to

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01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: do things through, whether it's the Congress, whether it's the

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: public schools, whether it's the National Institute of Health. These

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: institutions in of themselves have lost trust. They are not

1206
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: taken seriously, and they do not have any ability to

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: actually do anything. So the Biden race that this should

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: effectially happen is and this is what Biden should learn

1209
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: from President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. What are voters actually saying

1210
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: and what does what they're saying necessitate me to actually do? So,

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: if you're a voter in nineteen thirty three, you were

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01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: just out outside of capitalism. You didn't think that the

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: American governmental structure was set up well, you didn't think

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01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: American society was fair. So for Girder, for Ill. AFTERR

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: pursued the New Deal, he had a specific, big program

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: that transformed America, but spoke to those specific concerns. Looking

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: at America in twenty twenty one, going into twenty twenty two,

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: it seems that our equivalent of voters utterly lacking faith

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: in the capitalistic system is voters lack faith in their

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01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: institutions at a national and a local level. They lack

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: faith in Congress, they lack trust in their public schools.

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: You saw this in Virginia. So the project for Joe

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01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: Biden the next three years, it's not going to be

1224
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: passing a big bill, but it's going to have a

1225
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: ten year spending plan in people based, we don't understand

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: it basically needs to be focusing on restoring trust or

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Speaker 1: at least attempting to restore trust or get things to

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01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: a default in our politics so that things could actually

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: be done. All these big ambitious plans, whether you're a Republican,

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: whether you're a Democrat, whether you're in the center, are

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01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: going to require a reconfiguration of institutions, just a complete

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: reset there. That's not sexy. It's not what the lobbying

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01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: groups are going to tell you to do. It's not

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: going to be what the staffers want to have, big

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: biographyers are going to tell you to do. But it's

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: actually the literal only thing that President Biden could do

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01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: moving forward, especially considering the fact the Republicans are almost

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: certainly going to dominate in the midterm elections moving in.

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: So the claim here is reset default. You actually are

1240
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: not going to accomplish anything that is not your historical role.

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01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a transitional president that hopefully will get

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01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: us to something better. But if he thinks to himself

1243
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: as the new FDR is going to pass a big program,

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: he's almost doomed to failure. Yeah, and it's kind of

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01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: funny whenever you're putting that, which is, and I've even

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: said this before, I think they would be better off

1247
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: not passing joining us now, good friend of the show

1248
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: or in cast of American Compass or it's good to

1249
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: see you man, thanks for coming on, thanks for having me.

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, aren't You've got some new interesting data around

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01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: workers and a survey of American workers their preferences, how

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: they're feeling right now, let's put it up there on

1253
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: the screen. I found a lot of really interesting stuff here,

1254
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: not what they bargained for in this survey. What did

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: you find their Warren, Well, we went out and surveyed

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of American workers to ask their attitudes about

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01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: really organized labor. You know, I think this is obviously

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: a hot issue right now, from Amazon to seeing increasing

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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: number of strikes, and there's a sense that workers should

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: want unions, they should want some more power, and yet

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: mostly they don't like unions. You know, only about one

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: in eight actually voted for that union at the Amazon

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01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: warehouse in Alabama, and we wanted to understand why. And

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Speaker 1: what we found is, by and large, workers hate the politics.

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Speaker 1: They hate how politicized unions are you know, the organizers

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Speaker 1: at Amazon famously had had Stacy Abrams signs out front,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, they say by more than three

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: to one, they much prefer a union that only focuses

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01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: on workplace issues over that's also involved in politics. And

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Speaker 1: when you ask them about particular issues. We actually we

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Speaker 1: went to the SCIU and the afl CIO websites. We

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Speaker 1: just took all their different political issues and put them

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Speaker 1: all in front of workers and said, hey, check off

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Speaker 1: all of the ones you'd like to see a union

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Speaker 1: working on. And not a single one got even fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Most got twenty percent or less. So workers want one

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Speaker 1: thing from a union or some sort of representation. They

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Speaker 1: want help in the workplace, and yet you've got big

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Speaker 1: labor out there basically just fighting campaigns for the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: It's a real problem. You know. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the not contradiction, but the difficulty here, which is

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Speaker 1: that liver unions didn't start out as merely in the

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Speaker 1: pocket of hybrid nationalized political issues. They got engaged in

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Speaker 1: politics because if you're looking at these workplace issues minimum wage,

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Speaker 1: osher requirements, etc. C. Cent, they're political and it's state

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Speaker 1: actually working on behath of workers hypothetically, So, how do

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Speaker 1: you think it's possible that unions could be or any

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Speaker 1: type of representative organization could be less political, capital be political,

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Speaker 1: but still actually get things done and leverage relationships with

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Speaker 1: the state. Yeah. I think it's a really important point.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it goes back to Samuel Gompers, who

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Speaker 1: was one of the original great organizers in America a

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Speaker 1: century ago. You know, he was actually really opposed to

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Speaker 1: using the political process. He said, look, the more that

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Speaker 1: we go to government and say, hey, please do these

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Speaker 1: regulations for us, please, you know, imposed minimum wage and

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Speaker 1: so on and so forth, that that really weakens unions,

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Speaker 1: That that weakens the ability of workers to actually be

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Speaker 1: acting on their own behalf and negotiating with employers. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, that's not to say that that we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have employment regulation. I think I think we needed,

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Speaker 1: I think we should have a minimum wage. But it

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Speaker 1: is to say that we've gotten into this sort of

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Speaker 1: spiral where as unions become less and less powerful and

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Speaker 1: relevant in the workplace, they turn around and say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: then we'll go try to be powerful in Washington. And

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Speaker 1: yet the more they try to be powerful in Washington,

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Speaker 1: the more then people turn away from them in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, in my mind, I think conservatives

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Speaker 1: need to sort of take some of the blame here

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Speaker 1: as well. Conservatives should should want to see workers have power,

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Speaker 1: They should want to have workers acting on their own,

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Speaker 1: behalf negotiating with employers. But a long time ago, conservatives

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Speaker 1: sort of decided we'd rather just sort of see labor

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Speaker 1: die out. And so as conservatives have fought against labor,

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Speaker 1: that has also been made labor much more just just

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Speaker 1: an instrument of progressive politics. And so, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it's a tailspin we can pull out of, but

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Speaker 1: we have to acknowledge that that we're in the tailspin

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Speaker 1: to begin with, right And I guess you know, the

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Speaker 1: obvious point here, Korn is that many workers do want

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Speaker 1: collective bargaining and you're seeing that everywhere, which is that

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Speaker 1: we see an explosion right now of people quitting their jobs.

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Speaker 1: I think there are sixty some thousand workers currently on

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Speaker 1: strike right now. When Crystal gets back, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: covering the developments with John Deere, which is one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest ones within the UAW. So it's not that

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Speaker 1: the workers themselves don't want to exercise their power. What

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Speaker 1: does your survey show in terms of the want of

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Speaker 1: many people who are workers to collectively come together and

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Speaker 1: use their power for better conditions. Yeah, that's a great point,

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Speaker 1: and that's something we really wanted to delve into in

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Speaker 1: the survey because you know, in America, it's sort of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you either vote yes for a union or no for

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Speaker 1: a Union's that's the only question you get asked. And

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Speaker 1: what we found is that if you ask sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, what sorts of representation do you want? What

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Speaker 1: activities would you want to see an organization doing for you,

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Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of enthusiasm for, like you said,

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Speaker 1: for collective representation, for bargaining, sometimes over wages, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of times it's it's not even as much about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the wages and hours as much as it's

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Speaker 1: about just having a voice in the workplace, being treated

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Speaker 1: as equals, feeling like you have a representative who can

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Speaker 1: speak on your behalf. Uh. And then there's also a

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Speaker 1: lot that I think unions can do and that they

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Speaker 1: do in other parts of the world that we just

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Speaker 1: don't think about as much here, Things like training, things

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Speaker 1: like providing benefits. There's there's just a ton that workers

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Speaker 1: need in the modern labor market, and and that they

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Speaker 1: that they know that they need and that they want.

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Speaker 1: But if they're told, you know, either you get this

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: radically progressive group that you have to give money to,

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: or you get nothing. Uh, that's that's not really a

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: fair choice. And and so I think, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just saw it was a couple of days ago the

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Speaker 1: s CiU came out and endorsed packing the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, like, well, well, what are you supposed

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: to do with that? How how is that possibly something

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Speaker 1: that that you're taking out to workers as as the

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01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: reason they they should vote for you. And and so

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Speaker 1: I think if if we actually think more creatively and

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01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: we start by saying, look, worker power is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: We want workers and employers to be able to bargain

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Speaker 1: on equal terms. And whether whether you're on the left

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: or on your right, that's on the right, that's what

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Speaker 1: you should want. It's a lot better than having to

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Speaker 1: have government do everything. And it's what workers say they want.

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Speaker 1: But to make that a reality, we're also going to

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Speaker 1: have to have to be willing to say, look, this

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Speaker 1: big labor model of having the real point be to

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Speaker 1: support democratic politicians who will then turn around and support

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Speaker 1: big labor's. That's just a broken model and it's really

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Speaker 1: leaving workers out. Or could you speak to the newsy

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Speaker 1: narrative part here, which is we've got these two big phenomenons.

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Speaker 1: One's the great resignation, so workers are quitting jobs in

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Speaker 1: real mass, and then too, you're also seeing shortages of

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Speaker 1: work for leading to increased wages and real you know,

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Speaker 1: every once in a while there'd be a McDonald's seventeen

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: dollars an hour in rural South Dakota posts through go viral.

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Speaker 1: How are these phenomenons at individual level playing into the

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Speaker 1: broader conversation around worker power and even just like representation

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Speaker 1: in general. Well, I think it shows a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: One is, you know, it shows that worker power matters.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, especially on the right of center,

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who sort of dismiss

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Speaker 1: the whole idea of worker power and say, look, you know,

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Speaker 1: markets are great and everybody gets paid exactly what they're worth.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that you notice in a situation like

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Speaker 1: this is no, actually, it really depends on who has

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Speaker 1: the power on whether employers have lots of options and

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Speaker 1: can offer worse conditions, or whether they're really struggling to

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Speaker 1: find workers, at which point they're really going to have

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Speaker 1: to treat them better and offer them more. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: one thing I think it's important to recognize is just

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Speaker 1: when workers have more power, we get better outcomes for workers,

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Speaker 1: and that's something we should want. The second thing, though,

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Speaker 1: that that I think is really interesting is is to

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Speaker 1: see kind of the broader break down that's going on

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Speaker 1: here where in a system that workers don't have collective representation,

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Speaker 1: that they can't sort of constructively go and work with

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: management on arrangements that's going to work for everybody, You

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: can really just sort of see things break down. And

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Speaker 1: so it actually, in a sense is a reminder of

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Speaker 1: back when we created organized labor in the first place,

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Speaker 1: in our formal laws during the Great Depression, where you

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Speaker 1: had real strife, you know, violence, and you go look

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Speaker 1: at the sort of preamble to the Wagner Act, which

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Speaker 1: is the American labor law, and it talks about, you know,

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Speaker 1: needing to reduce bloodshed and things like that, and so

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to recognize that this is one

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Speaker 1: of the things that brings employers to the table is

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: when the labor market just isn't working at all, and

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Speaker 1: you'd say, gosh, you know, unions like we had them

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Speaker 1: in the twentieth century, those were really important as a

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: remedy to just essentially a total meltdown that we had

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Speaker 1: early in the century, and this time around, I think

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 1: it's a very different situation, but there's a real parallel.

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: We're seeing that there are real problems in how our

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Speaker 1: economy is operating, in how our society treats workers, and

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: just saying well, the market's going to take care of

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: it is clearly not the case. And so I think

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a real opportunity again for a constructive discussion. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what what institutions can we build, What structures can we

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Speaker 1: put in place that are going to give workers the

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Speaker 1: voice and representation that they want and that they deserve,

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Speaker 1: that they should have, and that ultimately, yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot better for them. But I think enlightened employers,

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Speaker 1: many of them are starting to recognize, gosh, this might

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Speaker 1: might be better for us too. Really excellent point Onarren.

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