1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Let's rank the top ten prospects in the Mets system 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty sixth season. Me and James talk 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: about prospects all the time, So if you like that 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, make sure you are subscribed to Mets 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Up so you don't miss out on that content. Shout 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: to everybody listening as well, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google drops 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: a rating, drops a review, download and subscribe. James, I 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: got my list of ten, You got your list of ten. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: We're just honorable mentions at the end. Is that what 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: we're gonna do? 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honorable mentions at the end because that's 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: when you know the people are gonna want to hear 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: the niche thoughts about non. 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: Top ten prospects. 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: Also, just starting into this, this is our fifth year 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: doing Mets Up. We've been doing Top ten Mets prospect 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: list a few time of years during that time. So 18 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: cool to see where this system has gone from where 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: it was and we started doing this show the fact 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: that we have talent up and down the boards. Tough 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: honorable mentions I had to cut out, which is again 22 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: I think one of the first time has ever happened. 23 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: So proud of the Mets that we have this farm 24 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: system together, a great thing that happened for them this 25 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: season while a lot of other things went poorly. 26 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: Also, just a quick quick word right now. 27 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 2: Usually for this list that Mark and I do, we 28 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: only do non debut prospects. But for this, just because 29 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: we want to catch some other guys who are going 30 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: to start the year in the minor leagues. That's our expectations. 31 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: You're starting the year in the minor leagues, you can 32 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: make this list. And if you've played in the major leagues 33 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: but you're starting there in the minor leagues, I included you. 34 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, normally we don't do that. Normally will do that. 35 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: We don't want Noel McLean will not be on this list, 36 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: but Brandon Sprot and Joonah Tongu will be on this list. 37 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 3: That's basically what we're telling you. 38 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, we just we're still gonna rank these guys because 39 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: they have such such few amount of innings and their 40 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: spot on the major league roster is still a little 41 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: bit murky. So start off at number ten, James, do 42 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: do we work down? Why do we normally do this? 43 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: We usually start attend and go back from there. Is 44 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: that the right move we want to do that, I 45 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: think so number Elli and Payna. 46 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: Okay about you. He was my first donable mention minus 47 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: Will Watson. Okay, yeah, I went Elly and paint. 48 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: That's so funny. Our last guy, I Go Hit You 49 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Go picture as always classic. But for me, Elli and Payna, 50 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: like his numbers were just really good in DSL. I 51 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: think the ceiling is lower than what people probably expected 52 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: our guy like Paanion not to not to say that 53 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: his ceiling isn't good. I still think the ceiling can 54 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: be a very very productive player for the Mets in 55 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: the near future. While near future being like four years 56 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: from now when he's like twenty one, maybe, but what 57 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: we saw him do at the minor league level pretty good. 58 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: Like he had a four hundred on base percentage, He 59 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: had a bunch of home runs. I think he hit 60 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: nine home runs in his small sample size the games. 61 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: The ops was pretty high. I don't think he's gonna 62 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: be a shortstop, which is why I can't really put 63 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: him much higher. But I do think he can still 64 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: be a very much plus bat for this Mets organization 65 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: in four or five years on one of the corners 66 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: or maybe even second base. And I don't think that's 67 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: a problem. I think sometimes the prospects we get a 68 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: little bit too worried about if they play that premium 69 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: premium position and we could lose sight. 70 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So that was one of the main reasons I 71 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: left him off my top ten, because I just need 72 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: to see a guy like Elim Pagna, where there's so 73 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: much unknown. 74 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 3: I need to see you hit against more advanced pitching. 75 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: Like to me, the bonus Eliam Payne got the prestige, 76 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: the mystique that he has. He should have gone to 77 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: the DSL and ripped it to shreds like that was 78 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: like the first box to check that we can actually 79 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: expect major league production from him in the future. 80 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: And it's also cool to note with Elli. 81 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: And Paanna that he went nine games in the DSL, 82 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: thirty four played appearance of twenty six at. 83 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: Bats, did not have it. 84 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he just struggled then and then from that point 85 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: once he got his first hit. I want to get 86 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: the stats here quickly, just because they're so obscene ridiculous 87 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: to read out. From when he got that first hit, 88 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: he hit three forty going after that, he had more 89 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: walks than strikeouts, and it just it kind of all 90 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: clicked for them, but he just missed my list. 91 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: Will Watson was my number two. It has been for me. 92 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: There's been a few years in the making with Will Watson, 93 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: where with Mets draft for them basically just for fastball 94 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: released traits. He's got that nice low slot fastball. We 95 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: talked about a lot in this channel, and he gets 96 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: on hitlers fast. The fastball didn't really perform super well 97 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: for him in the lower miners. I got a stat 98 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: from Aaron Layton on here from Just Baseball that apparently 99 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: the fastball had almost fifty percent hard hit rate against 100 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: an under eight percent swinging strike rate. So I think 101 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: that's definitely concerned. But something that happens with some of 102 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: these low slot forcing fastball guys. You can struggle sometimes 103 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: to build repertoires off that. It's hard sometimes get differences 104 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: of pitches horizontal movement off when you have a vertical approach. 105 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: And he developed a plus sly the hard pitch sits 106 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: in the high high eighties. He has a good change 107 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: up now that gets the lefties, and per baseball perspectus, 108 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: he had a passable changeup that's relatively new. So the 109 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: fact that we have all that stuff off that we 110 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: gotta probably see maybe his fastball locations as happening. I 111 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: know his command has been a work in progress as well. 112 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: But having the fastball with those specs and now having 113 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: three true secondary pitches, I like him as a good 114 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: bet to just be a major league starter, which is 115 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: kind of what my line was for him making my 116 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: top ten and what we get past that is great touch. 117 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: By the way, most systems this would be a huge 118 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: piece for them, being like we're gonna have a major 119 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: league starter. 120 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: So it is pretty it wasn't super high draft. 121 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: Pretty sick for the Mets to be like, well, Watson, 122 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: you're like a borderline top ten guy on our system 123 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and we're pretty confident you're gonna be a major league pitcher. 124 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: That's pretty cool. 125 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely the kind of guy too that probably gets 126 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: tangled in trade stuff. 127 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: That's kind of what it is here. 128 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: And to me, like there's still multiple other tiers of 129 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: Mets pitching, probably inside of my top. 130 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: Of course, number nine. 131 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: James, who do you got? 132 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: This is a weird one for me. 133 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: Eli Sourano, Oh interesting, I did not have him on 134 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: my list. I know he struggled mightily in Brooklyn, but 135 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: that's the weird lefty in Brooklyn type thing. 136 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: As I'm saying, I kind of washed the way the 137 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: lefty in Brooklyn thing, just the way that he looks 138 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: so much bigger. Watched some videos I swinging since he 139 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: got drafted when he was NC State. He's kind of 140 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: a wiry dude. Looks like dude was put on a 141 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: ton of masks. And that's a good thing for guy 142 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: like Eli Serrano. And while he's put on that mass, 143 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: that will always affect your swing mechanics. While the effect 144 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: of swinging mechanics, his contact rate is still high. And 145 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: the small leggs of Vlassi stuff I could find, people 146 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: said the hard hit rate was good. It's good, so 147 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: right there. The fact that we know how much Brooklyn 148 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: eats left he's alive, that wind blowing it off the 149 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: literal up the Atlantic Ocean, it just kills you over 150 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: there in my mind of these parking fits, that's still 151 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: the name what it is. And the fact that he's 152 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: a lefty bad. The fact that he has a cannon 153 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: for an arm. I think that Eli Serrano looks like 154 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: a pretty again, high likelihood, strong side platoon corner outfielder. 155 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: It's a nice thing in the back of a top ten. 156 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: See, we've had some people tell us great things about 157 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: Eli Serano, so someone that we're definitely gonna keep a 158 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: eye on, I went Jonathan Santucci to me, like, I 159 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: hate to be boring, but for me, like from this 160 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: spot on, I felt like all these guys were also 161 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of the same nine guys that everyone in baseball's 162 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: talking about. With Santucci, I'm sure it's gonna be a 163 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: little bit higher on your list. Just no, he didn't 164 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: make it. 165 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: He was one of my honorable mentions. 166 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean he's a little bit behind Will Watson for me, 167 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: like there was my nine intents Toronto and Watson with 168 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: some of my honorable mentions were kind of their own 169 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: tier because I like to tear this and I'll tell 170 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: you guys how I'm do tiering these prospects as we 171 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: go through. And then I had Santucci another honorable mention. 172 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: It's just a tier below of them. I just need 173 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: to see I need to see the third pitch for 174 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: I left he like him. I need to see that change. 175 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: And he had the change up in college. It had 176 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: decent faith on it, but we really haven't seen much 177 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: of that coming through the miners yet, and there's a 178 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: lot to build down with his fastball and slitherer, but 179 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: without that meaningful third pitch. I just the stats are great, 180 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: but I just that has to happen from together over 181 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: the hump to actually be a major league star there. 182 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: So until I see that, I can't, I can't put 183 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: them above a guy like watch. 184 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just like that the k rate 185 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: was pretty high, like it was near thirty percent, especially 186 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: when we got with double A it was it got 187 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: even higher, I think, and the walk rate was relatively handleable. 188 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: I think it was like eight nine percent when he 189 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: got up to double A. Stuff that I like to 190 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: see for my pictures, and like you said, good stuff. 191 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: Would like to see though that change. 192 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Up make a little bit more of a prominent appearance 193 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: for him and his repertoire. 194 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. 195 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: I feel like just when now that he's in the 196 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: upper levels, like now he made ten starts a double 197 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: A and he still rip them up. 198 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: But I just I would like to see. 199 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: I want to see now, is you guy just get 200 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: that their pit rate double A major like had his 201 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: big differenel. 202 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: Ski's another just dangle for trades. 203 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, guy, like him, like your slave is that good, 204 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: Like you could tear apart the mind list, but like 205 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: once you get to the advance hit that you just 206 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: need new fields. 207 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: But number eight one of my favorite guys in the list. 208 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to find a way to push him up, 209 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 2: but I just couldn't because of how great the depth 210 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: is that we have in like this tier. 211 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: And this is new tier now. 212 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: Jack went the same spot for me at number eight, 213 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: same reasoning. I just I couldn't put him higher than 214 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: the other guys. But I really like Jack Wenninger and 215 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: people around baseball realm too. He's a borderline top one 216 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: hundred prospect the k K minus and baseball perspective top 217 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: on every go ball knowers k minus walk rate is 218 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: one of the highest and all of minor leagues last year. 219 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Throws a ton of strikes, gets a ton of whiffs, 220 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: all things that you'd like it. It feels like not 221 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: the similar ish because I'm not comparing them to Joon Tong. 222 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: They're not really similar, but like the idea of like 223 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: kind of makes something out of nothing, and this could 224 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: be a guy who could be one of the top 225 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: pitching prospects in baseball by the end of twenty twenty six. 226 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: Oh, if we're just scouting stat lines, we're looking at 227 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: you know, eras strikeout rates, walk rates, like he actually 228 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball. And 229 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: something cool about Wedinger talk about this every time he 230 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: do his prospects of these cold weather guys when they 231 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: wind up coming into a system, get much more, you know, 232 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: many more opportunities just literally throw baseballs, and like environments 233 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: conducive to training and development, like you get a lot better. 234 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: And Wenger another thing I like about Wenger just build 235 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: like a horse. Big six four two fifteen. He put 236 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: up one hundred and thirty five double A innings this year. 237 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: Also one hundred thirty five double innings is sick. And 238 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: now we have good fastballs from him. We have legit 239 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: a super legit splither. There was a great tweet by 240 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: again Aaron Layton to do his great prospect work where he 241 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: had I remember if this was in the playoffs. I 242 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: think he actually was in the championship Series Double Light, 243 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: which Binghamton won. Shout out to Binghamton Rumpa Ponies champions. 244 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: He came up against Kevin McGonagall, who's one of probably 245 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: the second best prospect in baseball third if you want 246 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: to Nippick right now. And he had him go ready 247 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: in this playoff matchup to Gyro Slider's back door to 248 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: start the at bat and then ripped a splither. 249 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: Aaron called the change up. 250 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: Other people call the splither, but the pitch had tons 251 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: of faith on it, like right in that same tunnel 252 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: as those sliders at Nick the corner, Nick the corner 253 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: and they fade off it. McGonagall looked puzzled after that, 254 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: with a good fastball to gaining velocity with a sinker 255 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: as well, Like he's the way I see a guy 256 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: like this getting better year over year. I I love that, 257 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: just I like seeing, you know, upper trajectory Wenger has. 258 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think Weninger looks like could be 259 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: one of the top guys in this system by the 260 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: end of the year, and someone who has been LinkedIn 261 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: trade talks. 262 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: And I think even in the past I've been like trading. 263 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: But as the days go on, I gotta see what 264 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: that big name is that we for him, because I 265 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: think it does have to be a big name. 266 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's He's the one I'm I'm keeping over Santucci 267 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: and Watson obviously I ranked them ahead of them right now. 268 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: And the gay I love. Sometimes sometimes size matters, and 269 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: just being six four twenty is like, that's that's sick 270 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: for a bitch. 271 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: That's huge. It helps for durability as well, that get 272 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: more innings on that. Who's your number seven? 273 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: Jack Brimer? Oh got Chick Brimer at number seven. H 274 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: third base, first base, Not really sure necessarily what it's 275 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: going to be his defensive home, but he just mashes. 276 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: He just absolutely mashes every level he's been at. All 277 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: this guy does is hit, and last season he was phenomenal, 278 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: got up to double A as well. Like just a 279 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: really good overall year from Rhymer and someone who shout 280 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: out him fan a draftneck mark that's always that's always 281 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna get you a couple extra bonus points too. 282 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: I ranked Rhymer a little bit higher. Kind of the 283 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: most excited I've been about Rhymer since we've started doing 284 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: these lists. Last year, he played sixty one games at 285 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: double A. Binghamton had the one fifty WRC plus two 286 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: eighty three seventy four eighty triple slash, nine homers with 287 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: ten percent walking twenty four percent strikeout again everything, they're 288 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: super in line. 289 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: He did it twenty one years old. Very usually age 290 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: to level for less caps. 291 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: Talk about this that you know, Sarah talks about a 292 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: lot in the Rates and Barrels podcast too. You could 293 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: basically give twenty five points a WRC plus for every 294 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: year you are below the average age at the level 295 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 2: average age double a about twenty three, so it'd be 296 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: like two two hundred WRC plus like that, that's stupid, 297 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: and like it looks like he's good enough to like 298 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: be okay at first at their base, like he's got 299 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: a cannon. So it's like if you could be passable there, 300 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: even if you have to move to first maybe. 301 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: Corner outfield maybe just just. 302 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: Looks like a masher. I don't think he moves. I 303 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: don't know if his quarter off field, I don't think 304 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't think he's flee the foot. But this looks 305 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: like a guy that aren't they so spark fiant dos. 306 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 2: This looks like a dude who just looks like he's 307 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: raised or rip. But he's again he's a little higher. 308 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: And who do you have at number seven? 309 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: Is rad Ryan Clifford? 310 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: Okay, I have Clifford hired on mine. 311 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that might have been a footplop for 312 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: two of us there. 313 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: But Clifford, like, dude, sick unless you're tripple, I'll wait 314 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 2: till you talk about hm higher on your list to 315 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: give some of the triple underlying stats because. 316 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: This guy is nast It's like, again, I hate saying 317 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: the comp that I always say, what Lucas. 318 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: Dudah like, what if it's it's souped up? 319 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: What if Lucas Duda was like sexy as a baseball 320 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: like prospect. That's kind of what it feels like to 321 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: me with Brian Clifford. So yeah, Cliford's a little bit 322 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: higher on mine. All right? 323 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: That was your number seven, number six? Who you got 324 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: number six? 325 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: It seems like it's a bit of a faller, But 326 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: I do think it's a bit about just where the 327 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: Mets system is. 328 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: It's Brandon Sproke, that was my number six as well. 329 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: Nice h I've mind working out And again all these 330 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: guys are in the same tier. When is your Clifford 331 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: spro and the next guy? But just there's so many 332 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: things that spro does so well as a picture, like 333 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: the things that made me fall in love with him 334 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: on this show two years ago, where you got big 335 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: philosophy and there's tremendous feel of breaking balls for a 336 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: guy that's a relative a young picture. 337 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 3: Even the Bras Sport's like actually kind of old now 338 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: for being a prospect. 339 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: But just we haven't seen the change up, and we 340 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: know last year from what happened in the major leagues, 341 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: there's no swinging mess on that fastball, So you're just 342 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: walking a tight rope of Brandon Sprot. I think this 343 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: room for him to develop, and the velocity and the 344 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: breaking balls are a great place to start. But just 345 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: we need that Florida change up to come back. 346 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: I don't know where it's gone. He had in the 347 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: low miners too went away. 348 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: I just that coming back would do big things for 349 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: him because with the best fastball doesn't miss. 350 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: Bats need some of those lefties, and we need that 351 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: change up for them. 352 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: Really interesting to see what Justin Willard could do with him. 353 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a fun one because while we've applauded 354 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the Mets the trade, Yeah, why we've applauded the Mets 355 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: minor leagues for pitching development, and obviously Brands Sprot's a 356 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: big part of that. Now we got to see what 357 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: these guys can get better at the major league level. Obviously, 358 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: Noil McClain's been a little bit different than everybody else, 359 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: but like Tongue and Sprote who will mention tong a 360 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: little bit later, we're gonna see major league development. Now. 361 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: We need to see how the organization functions at the 362 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: major league level, how much better they can make those guys. 363 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: Something that you saw great from the Tampa Bay Rays 364 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: of the past, you're seeing now with the Marlins. How 365 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: can you get the most out of these four A 366 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: players currently where they stand. 367 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 3: Yes, I think also a. 368 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: Big part of this now we pour one now for Jeremyffner. 369 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: The beginning of the off season. We know we've hired 370 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Justin Willard. We've talked about a lot in this show. 371 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: Looks like he's going to be able to do great 372 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: things with hiring Justin Willard. Asistant pitching coach would be 373 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: Dan McKinney, who's been the Double A pitching coach. I 374 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: think he might have been a minor league pitching coordinator, 375 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: served one of those two roles in the past. I'm 376 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: sorry Dan for messing that, but now he's going to 377 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: be the assistant pitching coach in the staff. 378 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: So I think it's a really good thing. 379 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 2: They have a mess of a line their staff really 380 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: well where Willard's coming in and he's a freaking nation. 381 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: The guy's genius, but is not having the experience with 382 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: these players. The fact that his right hand man is 383 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: the guy who we know can relate to these players 384 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: because he's been relating to these players for years and 385 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: he's probably been a decent reason why a lot of 386 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: these guys have become the players they've been for the 387 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: last few years. So it's nice as we're graduating a 388 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: lot of these pitching prospects the major league at the 389 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: same time, Boom, there's your guy that was helping you 390 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: out in the minor leagues. 391 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: Think that's a nice touch by the Mess this offseason. 392 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I also think Sproke's gonna actually have a huge impact 393 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: on this major league team as like the swingman in 394 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: the bullpen. I just can see him in like little 395 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: two winning role and just come out and throw one 396 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: hundred and that's like kind of your thing. And I 397 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: think that's really valuable and something that we've seen David 398 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Sertin's teams do in the past with young pitchers. 399 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: YEAPREDI Peralta, of course, Gordin Burns. I think there's Woodroff. 400 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's a good little rule line there 401 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: for him. 402 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: We're at number five. I have top five, nown yeah, 403 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: top five, top five. I've got aj Ewing at number five. 404 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: Okay, nice, this is right, Jacob Brimer, Okay, yeah, so 405 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: we can skip over r when we already talked about him. 406 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: He's great. 407 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Aj Ewing has been kind of the biggest riser, like 408 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: outside of like Carson Bench, but we all know that 409 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: one in terms of like going from relatively unknown to 410 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: where he's at now. Aj Ewing the shrives that he 411 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: made in the past year are huge. And I remember 412 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: when we drafted him a few years ago. This is 413 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: one of the guys that we had circled because this 414 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: was a guy that we took a little bit later 415 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: in the draft. We were able to steal away from college, 416 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: right yeah, and we gave him a little extra money. 417 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: But it was like, okay, like the Mets clearly see 418 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: something here because you wouldn't just pay this guy and 419 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: all the numbers look great. We have some stack cast 420 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: stuff too. He's a freak athlete, seems like he can 421 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: play center field like this is this is a really 422 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: fun prospect and a guy that again, I think his 423 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: ceiling has been a little bit higher than where we 424 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: once thought, especially now getting some of those eggs, vlos 425 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: and stuff behind the scenes. But at the like absolute 426 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: worst get it looks like it's gonna be a good, 427 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: solid center fielder. 428 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: And I think that I have him a little bit higher. 429 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: Actually another tier up, a jewing, just because there seems 430 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: to be a lot of upside left in that defense 431 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: that the Mets still think they're probably coaxing out of him. 432 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: And if you get that, I think a j ewing 433 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: right now. Well, we'll talk about a little more as 434 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: we move forward, but I guess i'll say next he's 435 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: my number four. Okay, yeah that's the yeah, yeah, yeah, 436 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: he knowing that he has one hundred and twelve mile 437 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: narrow max ex vlassi he had this year, I believe 438 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: in double LAYERO was Brooklyn one of the two. 439 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 440 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: The fact that you have that he does doesn't have 441 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: doesn't lift the ball very much, so that's something that's 442 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: going to stop the game. 443 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: Power. 444 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: I don't know where that ever winds up like, I 445 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: don't know if a Juwing ever even hit sixteen home 446 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: runs in major league season, truthfully, But if he could 447 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: be a true elite defensive center fielder, if he can 448 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: be like a plus plus guy out there, and he's 449 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: fast enough, he's still learning the position, He's still played 450 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: a bunch of second bases here. It seems like he's 451 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: decent enough at that too, which is like hilarious versatility 452 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: for a guy like him. But if you can actually 453 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: get to himself, which a lot of people think is 454 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: on this trajector being a plus plus defensive center fielder, 455 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: if you have fifteen home runs and thirty doubles and 456 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: nine triples, suddenly that's what you get yourself to one 457 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: to WRSC plus three twenty on base percentage on on ten, 458 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: it's like. 459 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: A three to four win player for it. 460 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying you. 461 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: If that happens like all of a sudden, this is 462 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: approaching a top tier prospect the guy who plays them. 463 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: I think he could be approaching by mid season this year, 464 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: like top fifties on some list, top forties. It might 465 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: be getting near there on his own right, there's there's 466 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: a lot of good stuff here. I love love when 467 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: a guy like Adre Ewan, who's a better athlete and 468 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: everyone in the field in the minor leagues, just steals 469 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: every base he can. 470 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: He's like, I can do this because you can't get me. 471 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: That's a fun thing to watch, all right. My number 472 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: four was Ryan Clifford. You want didn't know the reasons why, 473 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the reasons I put it there. One just the proximity 474 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: to the major leagues. I think he's super close. I 475 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: think with a strong start to triple A, there's a chance, 476 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: especially if Fiano's doesn't hit or whatever the offense looks like. 477 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: I think there's a chance we could see Clifford at 478 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: the major league level this year, maybe even as early 479 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: as June, while the average is going to be low. Again, 480 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: this is why I keep saying Lucas due to thing 481 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: he gets on base a ton. He's extremely selective at 482 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: the plate, maybe too selective, that would be like, seems 483 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: to be the one kind of knock on Clifford is 484 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe a little too selective because when he does make contact, 485 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: he absolutelytely obliterates baseballs. He hits the ball so damn hard. 486 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: He had twenty nine home runs last year between Double 487 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: A and Triple A, even in Triple A, where he 488 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: like struggled more so as a twenty one year old, 489 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: which again is gonna be twenty two next season. That's 490 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: absolutely insane. Sometimes we get a little prospect fatigue. I 491 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: feel like it's happened a bit with Clifford still had 492 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: a three fifty nine on base in the thirty five 493 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: games that he played in Triple A last year as 494 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: a twenty one year old, with guys throwing junk, with 495 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: guys who were trying to make it to the majors 496 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: one stop away. 497 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: I think that's really really encouraging for Clifford. 498 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: Oh very in the same rule we just applied to 499 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: Jacob Brimer in Double A, we could apply it with 500 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: an extra twenty five WRC plus points in Triple A 501 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: and we go to get ourselves to almost a two 502 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: twenty WRC plus a. 503 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that to me is ridiculous. 504 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: And the advanced stats in Triple A two even better 505 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: than what he actually did, like a seven to fifty 506 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: oh p has high walk rate, average strekt rate like, okay, 507 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: that's nice. He had over a fifty percent hard hit rate. 508 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: He was in like the ninety fifth percent health of 509 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: every type of eggs of lasity wont max average ninety percent, 510 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: fifty percent out. He hits the crap out of the 511 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: ball at lifting his pulled fly balls, at pulling pulling. 512 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: His fly balls. Although I said the same thing twice 513 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: in a row. 514 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: And for a guy who doesn't swing as often as 515 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: some other hitters, very high zone contact rate. Yes, so 516 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: he does pick the right pitches to swing out when 517 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: he does decide to swing, and he's that good at 518 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: getting the bat on the ball and he still doesn't 519 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: swing and miss a lot for his power. And I 520 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: heard something else with the grape Vine that has me 521 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: really deep on Clifford here again shout. 522 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: With the guy's baseball perspectives. 523 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: Apparently hit Lasik surgery or something eye proceed at some 524 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: point last year. Now he's just seeing things. Yeah, that's 525 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: insanely big. Imagine imagine not being able to see the 526 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: baseball one hundred percent trying to hit it. 527 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: Baseball is impossible to begin with. Yeah, So this is 528 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 3: this lot of upshell on Clifford. 529 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: I just have him a little bit further down again 530 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: in that tier with Rhymer, Weninger and Sprote because as 531 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: a first base. Mean, just there's a lot much bigger 532 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: of a hurdley you have to climb to be a 533 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: major leaguatguer Yeah, left, you know what helps, He's got to. 534 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: Be elite hitter, and I. 535 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: I loky is why they didn't sign Pee Alonzo. 536 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Maybe I we'll see, we'll see, We'll say, we'll see 537 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: what happens in next few months. 538 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: Next we got we're up to number three now, right, 539 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: number three, the number three, Jet Williams. 540 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: For me, Sam exactly, I'm gonna be talk from this 541 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: point on, I believe, so yeah, Jet three, let's talk 542 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: about him briefly. I think we're also getting a little 543 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: prospect fatigue with him too, Is that fair to say, 544 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: just because we've been hearing his name forever and he 545 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: hasn't ascended as fast as the other guys. But truthfully, 546 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: like Jet does everything that you'd want out of a 547 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: top prospect. 548 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: No, he definitely does. 549 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: And I think also with Jet there was a bad 550 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 2: month month plus at Triple A last year, and that 551 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: also is kind of dulling a shine. But when he 552 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: was a double like, he was like kind of unstoppable. 553 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: He's someone who's very patient against minor league pitching. And 554 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 2: he's one where I'm curious of how that patience adapts 555 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: to major league pitching because the guy like Jet, if 556 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 2: he gets bombarded in his zone and that walk rate 557 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: doesn't come with him to the majors, and that seemed 558 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: like something that might have happened to Triple A. That's 559 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: something that's concerning. I'm also just in general baseball, Jet 560 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Williams is very valuable because I think. 561 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 3: He can be a shortstop guy. 562 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: I actually think he has defensive chops to stick a 563 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: short stop for the Mets. That changes things because he's 564 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. So I how how good 565 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: does your bat have to be? They just carry a 566 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: second base who we think is plus. Can you play 567 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: center field? That's still something that's up in the air 568 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: with Jet. I still think there's good. He just seems 569 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: like like a rock solid major league baseball player, like 570 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: a roster guy. I'm still just curious about how much higher. 571 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: He can go. 572 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: That's the big thing is what is a ceiling on 573 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: a guy like Jet Williams, where like he has good 574 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: power numbers, it's not like they're bad, but like does 575 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: he hit does he hit more than twenty homers? In 576 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: the season, maybe not. 577 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: And it's also the thing with Jet, you never want 578 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: to do this, but you kind of have to nippick 579 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: at this spot when we get to these guys. It's 580 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: just not that many players in Major League Baseball look 581 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: like Jet Williams, like you always like to talk about, 582 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: like the smaller players with the punchy Archya type, the Corbyn, 583 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: Carroll Firus Alec Thomas, Like that's kind of the range 584 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: of outcomes there. And then also you get to like 585 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Slay the Ruin who's just traded into Shane bos trade, 586 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: Like that's that kind of like whippy, punchy, short guy 587 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: that's not really Jet. Jet has more of like a 588 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: strong build. He's got the fire hydrant like they like 589 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: to say Dylsin Herrara, but a little bit more beef 590 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: on him. And there's still don't say that name, but 591 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: just saying he hits the ball hard. He doesn't swing 592 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: out of strikes home, but he also doesn't swing that much. 593 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: He pulls his fly balls like there's there's still definitely 594 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: a step to go with Jet Williams, but for him. 595 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: To get to that next level, because I think I 596 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: think we're confident he's going to be a pretty good 597 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: MLB player. 598 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: But I also tell you, Gus with Jet Williams, I 599 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: think a lot of people are souring on him because 600 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: of prospect fatigue. 601 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: Like you've said, if he went to college, he'd be 602 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: into the draft this year. Yeah, which is crazy. 603 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: Like he just turned twenty two. Yeah, he's so young, 604 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: he's so so like he's say birth he is my mom. Wow, 605 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: that's crazy. 606 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Oh, shout out, shout out James's. 607 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: Mom November third. That's crazy. But yeah, it's a he 608 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: stills to get over a hump. But I still like 609 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: him as a Player's floor was number two. Jonatan Jonatan. 610 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, to take what Joe DeMeo DMed me 611 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: that one time, if he never made an appearance in 612 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, he would be one of the most 613 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: untouchable prospects in the entire farm system. He's probably still 614 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: is one of the most untouchable prospects in the farm system. 615 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: But I don't think Mets fans would be as willing 616 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: to trade him as they are publicly, which also doesn't matter. 617 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: But I mean, he was rocking like a forty percent 618 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: k in the minors. The stuff's on. 619 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: He's got one of the most unique arm angles that 620 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: we've seen. He throws basically almost from the left. He 621 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: almost throws lefty because he's so far over the top 622 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: right handed. The fastball is good, the change, it's ridiculous. 623 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: He needs that third pitch. That's what's gonna be the 624 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: difference between what we saw from Joan Tong last year 625 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: and being a true, true and I think if he 626 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: gets a slider, he'll just be an ace. 627 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: I really do think so. 628 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: No, it's he's someone right now is on such a 629 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: seesaw because what he has now is like is good. 630 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: It's like when we saw him last year. There was 631 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: some moments where he looked amazing there some almost looked terrible. 632 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: It did feel like the hitters could play a cat 633 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: and mouse with him where they could kind of just 634 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: sit fastball. It's not easy to catch up to, but 635 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: if you know it's coming, it's easier to catch up to. 636 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: He still struck out the core of the batters he 637 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: faced when he kind of only had one true weapon 638 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: against them, like two pitches. But it is just gonna 639 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: be curious, what is ourm angle with the lift he 640 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: gets on his fastball, if what that next pitch could 641 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: be like we see this with ball, right, he has 642 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: the curveball, but it's just it's obvious. It's almost like 643 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: too much vertical separation. It's too crazy there. It's like 644 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: it's it's almost a twenty on our difference, like they 645 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: spot the thing out of Handstanly, he's a great with 646 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 2: the changeup. 647 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: We see Trey Savage with the split. 648 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: We see also Trey Savage with the backwards Slyther the 649 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: fuse slides that Jonah's tong threw actually did have some 650 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: glove side movement, but they just weren't really good. Like 651 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: I'm this is good you talk about the pitching lab. 652 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: This is when like this is when the pitching lab 653 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: is walking out to the mound like edwind Diez with 654 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: the trumpet's like, this is when the pitching lab are 655 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: his money right now, because you could Joeah Tom you 656 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: can see a world where he's one of the best 657 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: pitchers in baseball. You can see a world where he 658 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: can't really elevate himself past like a three four. Well, 659 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: it's like the uh, he's right now, he's stuck in. 660 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: Like again, that for a thing that we've seen with 661 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 2: some top prospects on the hitting side. When they've come 662 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: up where you're way too good for Triple A. 663 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: You have conquered it. It's over. There's nothing else that 664 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: you need to do there. But the major league level, 665 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: you just might not have that pitch recognition, you might 666 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: have the discipline, you might not be able to square 667 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: the ball up because it moves a little faster, moves 668 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: a little bit more. For Tong right now, it's all 669 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: the guys in Triple A can't touch you. They never will. 670 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: It's over. 671 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: The guys at the major league level will just sit fastball, 672 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: and because they're they're the best players in the entire. 673 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: I wonder if there's any kind of I don't know, 674 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: carryover effect like translation here to the way that Freddy 675 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: Prawlta broke into the league six seven years ago. Now 676 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: where he was fastball Freddy that was it extension Freddy 677 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: fastballs to catch up to it, but eventually hit his 678 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: canue that was coming and Freddy Prault's command. 679 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: I think when he broke through it was even I 680 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: think significantly. 681 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 2: Worse than Jonah Tong's was when we just saw him 682 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: at again twenty two, twenty one years old, when he 683 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: made his debut a the end of last season, he 684 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: was twenty two. Any debut a baby, they're eighteen to 685 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: two thirds innings, And if it did take Freddy Perrault 686 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 2: a few years, and he even didn't develop the full 687 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: repertoire until this past year, he was six years in 688 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: the show. Like it just takes a while sometimes, but 689 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: that fastball is not you can't really teach what Jonah 690 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: Toan can do with that fastball. 691 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: So it's still just it's such an amazing place to 692 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: start and I can't wait to cherry pick on this 693 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 3: stat here. 694 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: But it's like, of those eighteen innings, I just like 695 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: thirteen of them were pretty good and he just had 696 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: like five blow up innings. 697 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: And then also there was the thing where like the 698 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: Cincinnati game was the home runs getting in the best 699 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: of him, and like it's not I mean again, some 700 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: of those are pissed on, but some of them are not. 701 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: Like it was, there's this is this is also our 702 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: baby boy, Like we're going to protect this. 703 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 3: This is our fucking boy. I love this dude. I'm 704 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: gonna keep him safe next year. 705 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: And you get if you guys call me bias, I 706 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: don't care because I'm keeping him safe. 707 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: Messed up was hip to Jonah Tong. Before Jonah Tong was. 708 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: Hipped to Jonah Tong, we mentioned Jonah Tong. I think 709 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: the first episode we did the Media Marvel when I 710 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: was in Morocco and Jose Bhutto had that great start 711 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: against Cold Reagan's in April of twenty twenty four. I 712 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: think that was the first Jonah Tong mentioned good times, 713 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: but it was a buster only week in the mess 714 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: of No Pittrick Prospects. That one came to ahead now 715 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: very quickly, and then on that one. But it's so 716 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: it's almostly, it's kind of scary. They have this kind 717 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: of tantalizing of a prospect where the ceiling is so 718 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: high and the floor is like. 719 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: Kind of low. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, it's it's 720 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: gonna be fun to watch, what if anybody. 721 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I trust the guy who's kind of done it already, 722 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: like kind of been a little freak, like he's developed 723 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: so much already. 724 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: I trust him that he's gonna be able to do 725 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: it again totally. And the attitude seems impeccable. And you 726 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: have to you have to be ready and willing to 727 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: fail to get to this point in life. And anything 728 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: way for Joan Tong to reach the major leagues as 729 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: a as a as a six foot tall, one hundred 730 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: and eighty pounds string bean from Canada who loves grilled 731 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: cheese and maple syrup together because he's again he's a freak. 732 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: But like this, Oh yeah, you like a good combination. 733 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: I forgot about that. That was yeah, a right, that was yeah, 734 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: my byhand, I'm sorry, but my heart Taylor recipe. Nothing 735 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: better but so good. 736 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: It's so good, it's I can't I can't wait to 737 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: watch jo and Tong this year. But also it might 738 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: not click this year and bite not click next year. 739 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: Also, if it clicked, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm good 740 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: to be patient. 741 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: I got no I got no problem being patient with 742 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: him because again, the ceiling is so good. Number One 743 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: Carson Bench, Carson Bench. I mean he's one of the 744 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: what five best prospects in baseball by by some people's accounts. 745 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, seven eight. 746 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: I'm doing more prospects stuff to my channel now. I'm 747 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: putting him ahead of JJ Weatherhall. I think he's actually 748 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: better than def after digging into things, and I don't 749 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: think that's consensus right now. And last year he struggled 750 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: a lot in Triple A. Like the surface stats, we're 751 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: quite bad. At the same time, he just went He 752 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: ricocheted through three levels last year, a year out of college, 753 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 2: so I don't really I also leave in college early, 754 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: and he's like twenty four games, sure hit terrible, a 755 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: buck eighty average. 756 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: You've seen the cars in benj at Van stats and 757 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: Triple A. They're phenomenal, unbelievable. 758 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: He was hitting the crap out of the ball. We 759 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: have one hundred and ten and a half max EV 760 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: and again that was only in thirty games, So it's 761 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: good chance we get a higher one there, especially when 762 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: you consider the fact that his fiftieth percentiles lost he 763 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: was ninety fourth percentile. His ninety percent was his eighty 764 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: fourth percentile high barrel rate, fifty four percent hard hit 765 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: rate with. 766 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: One eighty batting average. I would go postal if that 767 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 3: was me. 768 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, to play like a Greek out hitting me, that 769 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: was especially when I'm not swinging and missing, I'm making 770 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: contact in the zone. I'm not striking out like that. 771 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: That's the difference is like you could be like, I 772 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: understand how Joey Gallo hits one eighty because he doesn't 773 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: hit the very often. 774 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: Carson Bench puts the ball in play, can turn the contact. 775 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a little bit more passive, and he 776 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: also is still not pulling the fly balls. But there's 777 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: there are so many tools in his toolbox that really 778 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: might not matter, especially that we're getting the murmurs. I 779 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 2: mean talking about like what we've been able to get 780 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: out of David Stearns this offseason. 781 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: He said he's got a shot at opening Day. That's like, 782 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing David certain To said as a 783 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: met isn't that president? 784 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: He said that in November, Like I was like, what like? 785 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: And he started less year in Brooklyn, Like he only 786 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: he played sixty games of Brooklyn. He only played thirty 787 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: games at Binghamton, And he's like, what eighty WRC plus 788 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 789 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: He destroyed that level. One of the ten best prospects 790 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: in baseball. 791 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: Good testaments like what this regime is doing getting a 792 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: guy like Carson Bench, who was a good college player 793 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: well round. The guy had some flaws, was a two 794 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: way player, focus up on the bat, and now it's 795 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: just boom out of a cannon. This guy could be 796 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: like I still see Carson Bench throwing around trade proposals, 797 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: and I have to emphasize this. This guy is untouched, touchable, 798 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: untouched shot, a lefty bat, possible, slightly above average defensive 799 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: center fielder with power, crazy speed to his speed grades 800 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: in Triple A was like a ninety percentile as well. 801 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: But I know he's an incredible athlete. I legitimately don't 802 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: know who the Mets. Like, what would the Mets move him? 803 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: Who would be a player moving for Hunter Green? 804 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's that's kind of it, right in terms 805 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: of realistic players that could ever even slightly be a 806 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: well like yeah, take him for show, Donnie, of course, like. 807 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: He like, this is gonna sound great. I don't even 808 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: think you put them up for like Jose Ramirez. It's 809 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: a close one. I mean, Jsermirra's a contract. That's what 810 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: plays into this. 811 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: Said, Well, I'm. 812 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: Thinking about your best contract lest from the wine time that'shere. 813 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm just going to my head right now. I just 814 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: he's guys, this guy might be like he might be special, 815 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: and even if he's not special, the chance of be 816 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: being like, well above average. 817 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: Are really high. 818 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: And it's not that we wouldn't take Hoser ramires. 819 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: It's just what I'm saying. It's all contract. Play is 820 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 3: a contract, is the age, It's all that stuff put together. 821 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: It's close. He's not bad than that's not, of course not. 822 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Carson Bench has the ability to be a special, 823 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: special player. And again, for David Stearns to mention opening 824 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: day murmurings in November, it seems like every time he 825 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: brings up car he brings up Carson Ben jump prompted. 826 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: It feels like, honestly, he might really like this guy, 827 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: might see something. I I'd like to see what Carson 828 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Bench can do for the New York Mets. And I 829 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: got an inkling that he is gonna be on the 830 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: opening day roster. 831 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: I do too. 832 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: The one thing you do worry about though, like just 833 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: young guy like this, like a lot of pressure to 834 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: be here opening day when there could be a slightly 835 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: hostile environment. 836 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: But like pressure mixed. 837 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: Diamonds, I am. I am thinking about the pressure that 838 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: Noel McLean and Carson Bench could be under this season. 839 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: Again possible, but I guess again, I mean there is 840 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: gonna be a lot in those guys shoulders based on 841 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: the way his offseasons gone. So far, maybe nothing was 842 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: happened by the time this goes out, tell me your 843 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: honorable mentions. 844 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Honorable mentions, Chris Swerro. I think just the fact that 845 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: he did so well in the Arizona Fall League as 846 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: well as he had a great season, just someone to mention. 847 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: I think especially the Mets sending him out there too, 848 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to see a little bit more of him, 849 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: and I think he impressed. And then on the pitching side, 850 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I've mentioned it before, but that Doug Douglas Oreana guy, 851 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: as well as Ryan Lambert and Dylan Ross. I think 852 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: all three of those guys are gonna have big impacts 853 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: in the Mets bullpend this season. 854 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love to swear I mentioned I had him 855 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: on mind too. Just looks like a super duper athlete 856 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: and can play everywhere. That's valuable, and we have advanced 857 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: staff in Arizona Fall If you guys missed that episode 858 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: about a month and a half ago, seventy five mile 859 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 2: an hour average swing speed, one twelve point five max 860 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: eggs of Flosi right there, Boom, that's a plus power guy. 861 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: That's a guy who could probably had twenty five home 862 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: runs with a full season of playing time and we'll 863 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: see where the defensive home winds up. Like he's fast 864 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: enough for you, Like, imagine if he can even get 865 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: basketball in center field, Like that'd be freaky. 866 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: He could catch some innings give for instance, guaut As 867 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: a bump would be sick. 868 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to give a shout to Mitch Voyd as well, 869 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: our first round pick from this past season. I got 870 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: a couple of great notes here, one from a guy 871 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: Michael Donedeo Baseball Perspectus and MJD's stats. I've shot him 872 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: out a lot in the show. He's doing prospect Or 873 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: with Baseball Perspectives. Now big swing change with Mitchvoyd. Big 874 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: swing Change. Mitch Foyd had a bit of a more 875 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: subtle light kick and stride when he came to the 876 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: Mets all of a sudden midway through only playing a 877 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: handful of games last year with Saint Lucy Due was 878 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: kicking his leg in the air and swinging and swinging 879 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: for jacks and I like people were still into Mitch 880 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: Foyd in college, like, I know I've another right. Tyler 881 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: Jennings of I think he's Prospects Live said that he 882 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: tickled one hundred and fifteen mile per hour Barrier when 883 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: he was in college and he had a thirteen percent 884 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: strikeout rate at over fifteen percent walkerate as but his 885 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: last year in Michigan and again some rumblings moving to 886 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: shortstop might be nasty there. 887 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 3: Listen would be huge, That would be huge. 888 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing where if he if he goes, 889 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: if he hits for power next next to HEAs like 890 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: into next season with Brooklyn and he's playing good shortstop. 891 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 3: He got George Lombark. Also keep out keep an eye 892 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: out for r J. Gordon. He did some good stuff 893 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: too last year. Yeah, so many pitches are so I 894 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: can't wait. 895 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out who the new guys 896 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: are gonna. 897 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: Be during the season when we do this update mid 898 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: seas in July to the top fifteen prospects. 899 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: There's so many guys now, but I hope you guys 900 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 3: enjoyed it. 901 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Make sure you subscribe to mets up on YouTube as 902 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: well as if you're listening to US Apple podcast, Spotify, 903 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: Google drops a rating, drops a review, download and subscribe. 904 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: You can follow James on social media at James Shanna. 905 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm Draftnick Mark. Thank you guys for listening, Thank you 906 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: for watching. We'll catch you on the next one. 907 00:33:32,080 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: Peace Out, peace out guys. Let's go Mets.