1 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jason and Sepsio and I'm Rosey 2 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Night and welcome back to x re Envision, the podcast 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: where we dive deep been to your favorite shows, movies, 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: comics and pop culture. Coming to you from iHeart Podcast, 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: where we are bringing you to action packed episodes a week, 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: every Tuesday and Thursday. 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: In today's episode, there's just one topic, baby, that's you 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: know what it is. 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 3: It's The Acolyte. We've been waiting for it and it 10 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: is here. 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: So in the airlock, guess what we're gonna be discussing 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: the first two episodes of That Acolyte on Disney Plus 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: with full spoilers, So listenableware, let's get into it. 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: The Acolyte season. On episode one, we open with a 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: crawl with a not quite a bit crawl, but more like. 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: A it's a little it's a couple of steps, A 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: couple of steps, yeah, not a full crawl. 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: That basically tells us that where we are in time, 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: we're one hundred years before the Rise of the Empire, 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: the peak of the Jedi Order. Rosie, where would you 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: date the rise of the Empire too? Do you date 22 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: it to like the end of the Clone Wars or 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: do you date it to like Order sixty six, I would. 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: Probably say if they're talking about the Rise, I would say, like. 25 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: The end of the Clone was. 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: But I also thinking of Luke Becus film and the 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: way this stuff is, I wouldn't be surprised if the 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: hundred years they're talking about is just to Order sixty six. 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: It's I think that being I think they may be 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: being purposefully vague, which I think that. 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: That's wise on their part, because you don't want to 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: get painted into a quarter back to the recap. But 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: independent Force users across space and time are forging their 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: own relationships with the power that binds the galaxy, side 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: stepping the directives, some would say, the overly authoritarian. 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: Directives, definitely in this era. 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Of the Jedi Order. That's one thing we should say 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: right away is this is one of the most critical 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: mm hmm pieces of Star Wars storytelling with regards to 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: the Jedi Order. Like it's openly like are they are 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: they doing it the right way? 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: I was kind of blown away by how openly critical 43 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: this is of the Jedi, and not just in something 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: I really like about this is not just in a 45 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: way of those kind of like gotcha like they're doing 46 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: something bad. It's actually in these different characters and representations 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: of how the Jedi behave and what they believe, and 48 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: you kind of build up to this feeling of. 49 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: Oh, maybe we were right. 50 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: Maybe the Jedi being completely in control wasn't a good thing. 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: We meet an assassin who has tracked a Jedi master 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: master in Dara to a cantena, and the assassin has 53 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: a hand to hand fighting style which she augments with 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: the force, a kind of raw force talent, and she 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: has knives that she throws clearly guided by the force. 56 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Also in Dara, you get the sense that in Dara 57 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: is just kind of getting the measure of this assassin 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and that without too much difficulty, could beat her, but 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: wants to see what she can do. She recognizes her 60 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: attacker you can see from her reaction, but when in 61 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Dara is distracted by having to save the life of 62 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: a bystander, the assassin gets the opening she needs and 63 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: sinks a blade right into her chest. I love this 64 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: opening action sequence of nods to the matrix. 65 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: I kind of love that they cast carry Am Moss. 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh my god, Carry. 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: You were right, this is what we were right by 68 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: the way. 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: We were right, I thought she was gonna die, But 70 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: I love that it feels almost like because of the 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: Wujia influences the wirework that we get here, I feel 72 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: like they said, hey, this is really influenced by the matrix. 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: Let's have carry Ann play a part in this story, like, 74 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: let's bring her in as one of these Jedi that 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: this assassin is hunting down. 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: I love this opening fight scene. 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: I think it's really really cool, and as we get 78 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: more into it, it also is like a key part 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: of the story that this assassin fights that way. 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: Elsewhere, Osha, a mechnic who looks identical to our assassin 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: but is clearly not her, wakes up to start her workday. 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: She's working on a Trade Federation ship. The officials on 83 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: board are quite desperate to get where they're going to 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: unload some very sensitive cargo, and it was I have 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: to say, it was interesting to see the Trade Federation again. Yes, 86 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: they clearly took something of the initial very bad in 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: my in my estimation characterization of the Trade Federation from 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: the prequel movies and kind of iterated on it. 89 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, playing it in a less terrible way. I agree, 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: But they're still up to Shenanigans. They're still I mean, 92 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: it's the Trade Federation. Also, can I just say, Osha 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: is so Calcastis coded. She sets up, she's got her 94 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 2: little ball, and she's like and she's wearing a little 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: jacket and she's she's doing some mechanics, and I. 96 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: Was like, I feel like Leslie Hedlund, who is. 97 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: The showrunner of the show also the showruner of The 98 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: Incredible Russian Doll on Netflix. She's talked about being a 99 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: nice of the Old Republic fan, of being a Expanded 100 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Universe fan, but I want to know if she's also 101 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: like a Jedi Survivor fan, because I feel like, oh 102 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: is so much like Calcastis that I was getting it 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: even feels like you're walking. 104 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: Around his room, you know, in the ship. I loved 105 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: that intro. 106 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: And I just thought Amandla did such a good job 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: defining those those two roles in that moment. 108 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, that was what you want? What 109 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: did the cops show up? The fuck isn't the fucking 110 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: cop show? Gold Jackets a Night of the Jedi Order. 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Jord Fandar and his padawan Tassi are looking for Osha because, 112 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: as we all saw, she matches to a t Uh 113 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the description of the assassin of Master Indar, and apparently 114 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: Osha was once a Jedi in training. Ohan knows yord 115 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: they were at the Jedi Temple. 116 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: Together a bit of history there. 117 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: Yep, they interrogate Osha, who again they suspected Nadar's murder. 118 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: We learned that Osha was brought to the Jedi eight 119 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: after her entire family was wiped out by something. 120 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: Which, by the way, they point out, is very late 121 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: for padawan. 122 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: And so, by the way, yes, they're not just making 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: child soldiers. 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: They're making baby soldiers like eight is old to become 125 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: a Jedi. 126 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: And we should also note that throughout history the Jedi 127 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Order has like bent the rules or let in students 128 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: later than they usually would, and those always end up 129 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: being the notable ones. Don't they baby like that? 130 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: Maybe you should learn something about that bringing them in 131 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: at like ten maybe. So. 132 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: Apparently Indara played some kind of role in OSHA's leaving 133 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: of the Jedi Order, though Osha insists that it was 134 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: all her decision, and she's like, I didn't do this, 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: I would never kill her. Why would I do that? 136 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden Jord brings in the 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: barkeeper from the cantina, who immediately says, that's her, she 138 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: did it. 139 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, who buy today? 140 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: The assassin left thee because she saw that he had 141 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: a child with him, So the assassin clearly has some 142 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: kind of emotional kind of moral compass even though they 143 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: are assassinating these Jedi. 144 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: Right, not full Anakin, but like not a full Anakid killer. 145 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: We go to Corusan, the Jedi temple. We meet Jedi 146 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Master Soul, who is training a group of patawans. His 147 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: colleague Master Venestra brings Saul the news that the suspect 148 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: in his friend master in Dara's murder has been caught 149 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: and also it's his former padawan. 150 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 151 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Saul is like, what, no way, Osha, I can't believe this, 152 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, me and and Dara. We saved OSHA's life 153 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: apparently and involved there was some kind of devastating fire 154 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: that wiped out her entire family and they saved her 155 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: from that. Venestra is like, well, listen, this murder is 156 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: just bad pr like the aactics are terrible. 157 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, people think they can just go around murdering Jedi, Like, 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen it's gonna go badly. 159 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Oh, I just want to say as well. 160 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: So there's two things about this that I think is 161 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: really important. One, we're getting Vanestra around from the High Republic. 162 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: Everybody loves her, everyone's really excited to see her. But 163 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: I did love the in our discord, people are like, 164 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: what happened in the last like one hundred and twenty 165 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 2: three years to make us such like a sad sack? 166 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: Like she used to be fun and now she is 167 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: like a job's worth who loves the Jedi. 168 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: And she's very sad. So like, I want to know 169 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: people want to know that story, and I think that's 170 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: a great point. 171 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: So Vnestra tells Saul, like, you need to go investigate this, 172 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: but quietly. And here's where I just want to say, 173 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't see red flags, but I this is the 174 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: first of the interactions between Venestra and Saul where I'm like, hmmm, 175 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: I agree with our discord that there's something different about 176 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: this Venestra. Yeah, And I almost wonder as the mystery, 177 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: as the murder mystery that is central to this story unfolds, 178 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: if she does not have something to do with it. 179 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: It does feel like. 180 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: She doesn't it feel that way a lot, especially the way. 181 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: She's like, we got to keep it underrat. 182 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: We gotta keep it quiet. 183 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: Everyone knows if you're trying to tell somebody to keep 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: something a secret's usually something bad, right, Like you learn 185 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: that from when you're a kid. I will say something 186 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: I really love here. I love that while we have 187 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: this incredibly cop like Jedi like with yourr is very 188 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: much in that space your nab, I'm coming in, I'm 189 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: coming in and I'm gonna mind probe you. 190 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: And it's like, bro, that that doesn't look good. 191 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: That's not that's not seen as a good thing nowadays 192 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: thanks to you know, Kylo Ren. You do yeah right, yes, 193 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: like it's all it's only bad. Don't don't do that. 194 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: You need consent. But what I love is I actually 195 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: find that Master Soul who's played by Squid Games at 196 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: Lee Jung Jay, who's so fantastic here. I love that 197 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: he is this more compassionate version of the Jedi who's 198 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: almost going so much farther to the other, like further 199 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: than an Obi Wan Kenobi Wood, where he has these 200 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: students and they're thinking about what the force means to them, 201 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: and you see people saying balance, water life, and he 202 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: has young girl who says fire, it consumes everything, and 203 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,479 Speaker 2: Soul says, yeah. 204 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: The Force is very powerful. 205 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: He doesn't see that as her leaning to the dark side. 206 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: He finds a way to look at it through a 207 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: compassionate lens and understanding lens. And I really love that 208 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: they decided to bring in this more nostalgic kind of loving. 209 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: I mean, he clearly cares. 210 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: About Osha, which you're not supposed to do in the Jedi. 211 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: You know, a Jedi shall not feel love, hate, fear, anger, 212 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: but Soul clearly has that. And I think it's a 213 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: really interesting contrast to this era of the Jedi that 214 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: we're seeing. 215 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: I completely I completely agree on the transport to Corasanosha's 216 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: fellow prisoner's launch an escape that paralyzes the ship. They 217 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: get away in all of the escape pods, leaving Osha 218 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: on a crashed ship. The ship ends up crash landing 219 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: on the ice planet Carlac, and Osha survives. 220 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: Oh yes, sorry, can we just I just need to 221 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: bring up the Jedi again here please. Sarah is a 222 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: prisoner on this ship who is being subdued by a 223 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: mind altering parasite that the Jedi have attached to his face. 224 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: So can we talk about this? Do you remember saw Guerrera, 225 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: who we always support, who they say he went gully. 226 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: Poor Gulley. 227 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: But the Jedi in the Higher Republic era they are 228 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: using like alien parasites Corris and it's not good, guys? 229 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: Is it bad? The Jedi listen doing a bad thing. 230 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: As we progress into the story, I think you're gonna 231 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: find a significant amount of guilt questioning of the Jedi's 232 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: motives and decision making processed from within the Jedi order itself, 233 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: but that has for further on in the recap, Saul 234 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: Force interrogates one of the prisoners that escaped from the transport, 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: learns that Osha had nothing to do with the mutiny, 236 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: and Osha is presumed dead at this moment, but Saul 237 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: convinces Venestra to let him go looking for her on Karlac. 238 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: Osha has a vision of herself for the assassin who 239 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: looks like her, and we learn it's her sister Brendock 240 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: May May. It's her sister May from the planet from 241 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: Brendock right. It's her twin sister May. The vision becomes 242 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: a flashback to the fire and the night that her 243 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: family burned, and we learned that with it. Who's May OSHA's. 244 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: No, no, no, Osha is Osha is Osha. May is May. 245 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: But I understand they seem like, you don't. 246 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: Know if it's actually her, if it's like a diad 247 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: or like a jewel thing. But yeah, no, no, no, 248 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: she's She is Osha and the other one is May. 249 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: The vision of her sister admits to killing Indhara and 250 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: then ads that she wants to kill all of them, 251 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: who we and we presume all means the Jedi, kill 252 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: all the Jedi. Soul catches his padawan, Jeckie up on Osha. 253 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: Apparently it was the sister May who started the fire 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: that killed the entire family, and Soul is convinced that 255 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: she's dead because he saw her die. 256 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: And also Jackie is played by daf Nicken, who is 257 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: X twenty three and we love her and she's so 258 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: cute and I love Jackie. 259 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: I would die for Jeckie. 260 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: She is a Thlin human hybrid yes, which is very 261 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: very interesting. The theling. We're already a very rare species, 262 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: and this seems like even more rare. 263 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: And it's also like something that's really great is Jackie 264 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: is really represented as like a logical kind of force 265 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: user who's like, yes, why are you feeling nostalgic about 266 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: your former padawan or whatever? But Soul is this great 267 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: leader for her and this great mentor because he actually 268 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: has more of that compassion. So they're a great kind 269 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: of straight man and like soft team. 270 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm a fast It's wonderful on Carlac, Saul, Yord, and 271 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: Jeckie track down Osha. They track her to like this 272 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: underground tunnel that leads to an opening over a cliff 273 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: where in what I think is the greatest easter egg 274 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: in recent Star Wars history, a clear nod to the fugitive. 275 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: It's so good because it's direct like to me, and 276 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: you literally could put them over each other. 277 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: It's so good. 278 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Down to the dialogue of Osha saying I didn't do it, 279 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: she says she didn't do it. She falls off the 280 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: edge just like doctor except Doctor Kimball jumped, and Saul 281 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: catches her and pulls her back. I just love this 282 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: easter egg one because it's not Star Wars, but it's 283 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: Harrison Ford exactly. So you still got the vibes, so 284 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: you still got the vibes and it's just it's just awesome. 285 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: Osha tells Saul that actually May is alive, and elsewhere 286 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: we see walk down a beach where she needs a 287 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: mysterious figure with a some kind of affected voice. 288 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: And a scary mask. 289 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: With scary mask it looks like kind of chainsaw man esque, 290 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: and the figure says to me that he wants he 291 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: or she they want to destroy the Jedi and destroy 292 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: their dream. 293 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and something something that I think is really 294 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: cool about this episode that Susanna Polo wrote about Polygon 295 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: is like he wants her to murder a Jedi without 296 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: a weapon, and that is like a recurring theme throughout 297 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: these two episodes. And it's really interesting because it's obviously 298 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: something that he needs her to achieve, but we kind 299 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: of don't know why. And I think that's really interesting 300 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: because that's we've getting this Force fighting. But what could 301 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: this potential because we don't know technically all the Siths 302 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: should be gone at this period in time from what 303 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: we know, but I'm assuming this is probably going to 304 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: wreck on it, or maybe it will be some kind 305 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: of different Dark Force users. But yeah, I'm very interested 306 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: to see where they go with that before we continue. 307 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: I forgot to note it here. I think I noted 308 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: in the in the next part of the recap, but 309 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about it now. One notable feature of every 310 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: fight scene involving May is that she makes a grab 311 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: for the lightsaber every single time. I know, it's very 312 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: notable in every fight scene. 313 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: Why it is yourself? 314 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: Or is she trying to get rid of it so 315 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: that then she can kill them without a weapon, because 316 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: the lightsaber is their ultimate weapon, you know, I'm very 317 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: interested in that. 318 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: And we know, like we see the. 319 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: Mysterious you know, May's mysterious Master ignite his red lightsaber 320 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: at the end, so we know he has a corrupted 321 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: Kaiber crystal hypothetically and he already has that technology. 322 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: May need a. 323 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: Lightsaber or is she trying to get rid of it 324 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: so she can kill them with this kind of force 325 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: fighting technique because she does always pull out the knives 326 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: at the last minute when everything else has gone wrong, 327 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, it's I just thought like, this 328 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: was such a good, scary ending, and I'm really excited 329 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: to see where they go with this villain, because is 330 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: this gonna be another scenario like ah Soca where we're like, 331 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: is this villainous character gonna be someone that we know? 332 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: And then it ends up not some Yeah, right, like 333 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 3: is it Vnestra? 334 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: I think we've seen I think in the discord we've 335 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: had people who think it might be your especially with 336 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: some of the timing between and yeah, I am very 337 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: interested to see where it goes. 338 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, let's talk about the second episode because there's 339 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 3: so much stuff in there. 340 00:18:51,600 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 4: We'll be right back after a quick grip. 341 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: And we're back. We open on the planet a Lega 342 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: May quite easily, we should say, breaks into the local 343 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: Jedi devil, no problem. She gets right in. 344 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: And not just that, can I say she literally breaks 345 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: in yet by getting like a child to annoy the 346 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: entry droid and then she pops like a little bomb 347 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 2: on his head. 348 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: So let's this is actually a great thing that you've 349 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: picked up on here, because this is how. 350 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: Complacent the Jedi, extremely cool. They are so in power, 351 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 2: happy without threat. They are at the top of the 352 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: food chain that a literal child annoying an entry droid 353 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: allows an assassin to get into the Jedi temple. 354 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: She is there to confront Master Torbin, who we later 355 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: learned has been meditating for ten years and has not 356 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: spoken to anybody in there time. She finds him levitating 357 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: in a chamber. She calls him out and says, I 358 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: demand that you fight me with all of your strength. 359 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, which she also said ton Dara, which is very interesting. 360 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting. And when there's no response, 361 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: she attacks, but she cannot get through his impregnable force shields, 362 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: so she flees on Karlac Yord wonders why Saul doesn't 363 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: keep Osha restraint. 364 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: He's like, oh, well, put her into force handcups. 365 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm like that your friend, that was you got to 366 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: handcut the suspect. 367 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: I'm like, didn't you grow up with her in the 368 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: Jedi temple? Like this is your friend? Like what is 369 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: wrong with you? 370 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, is she not a suspect and a murder? 371 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: Don't we have to handcover anyway? 372 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 4: On him? 373 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: Be quiet? 374 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: And I wanted you just shut up. Saul is on 375 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: video link with Venestra and he tells her about the 376 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: twins and about his twin theory and that it might 377 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: be the sister that did it, even though he saw 378 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: her die. Vinestra then tells Saul that there's been another 379 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: attack on Olega by the same assassin who killed in Dhara. 380 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Uh So Osha is now cleared, so your chill the 381 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: fuck out. 382 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't do it. She didn't do it, Brav. 383 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: I know, but maybe she can aid in the investigation. 384 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: You're also against that, right against it. I don't know. 385 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: It's starting to act suspicious at this point. Him of Venestra, 386 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 3: what's going on? I'm suspicious. 387 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's clear that whatever their history is, 388 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: it plays into Orde's current feelings about Osha. Something, something 389 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: about their time at the Jedi temple together is causing 390 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: your tonack. Like this on Olega, May meets with her 391 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: contact kmire a drunk played by the super handsome Manny. 392 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: I love him so much and I think is like 393 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: such an interesting character. Like when I when I interviewed, 394 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: I interviewed the cast for IGN, and I was the 395 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: thing about Kima that's so interesting is that he is basically. 396 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: Just like a normal guy. 397 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: He's not in the Jedi, he's not in the Sith, 398 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: he's not being trained, he's not and Or who has 399 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: a mission. He's just a guy who's just like trying 400 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: to survive. Yeah, and that's something that Manny was like 401 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: really drawn to is like, how do you just live 402 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: in this world where there are these like unbelievable forces, 403 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: And part of Kaim's answer is being drunk, being. 404 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: Drunk all the time. 405 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 406 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: May is very clearly under a lot of pressure to 407 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: kill Jedi and by her mysterious mask, by her mysterious master, 408 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: and she's currently bottlenecked on Torbin, who she can't even touch. 409 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: So she suggests poison. Then Chymer makes for some and 410 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: then we're gonna later find out it's a very unique 411 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: and specific poison. Soloo should talk about May. Saul is 412 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: sad that he couldn't save both sisters, although they're clearly alive, 413 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: so you'd like, they're both alive. Yeah, success, you. 414 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: Didn't do it. You didn't save her. 415 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: But like, but also again, this is another this is 416 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: another soul moment where it's like, yeah, he has these 417 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: deep emotions that Jedi aren't really supposed to have. 418 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: That's right now. 419 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: But he's like, I've made peace with events, Osha, why 420 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 2: can't just make peace with the fact justice to die? 421 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: And now maybe she's not that and she's an assassin. 422 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: Get over it, you gotta get over it. That's why 423 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: you left the Jedi. 424 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: I have to say, it's very interesting. You put your 425 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: finger on it. It's like the Jedi dogma is disconnection. 426 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 2: M hm. 427 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: You don't care about this anymore, Like this is pain 428 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: is part of life, and you let it wash over. 429 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: You don't care about it. Saul seems to have a 430 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: slightly different philosophy. But the difference I think is important. 431 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: It's that he accepts that these terrible things have happened, 432 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: he feels the grief, and then he learns to live 433 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: with the grief exactly and not a disc It's not 434 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: a disconnection of emotion. And I think that's a really 435 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: important decision. 436 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: And that's what he wants Osha to do, and that's 437 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: what she could never do, and why it seems like 438 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: she left the Jedi. 439 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: Back on a lega May makes an attempt to Torbent again. 440 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: She addresses him, this time pulls out the vial of 441 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: poison which she she has on around her neck, and 442 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: she feels that his four shields are weakening. So whatever 443 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: she has said to him has seemed to like bringing 444 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: him out of his meditation. 445 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so basically what it is is she pulls down 446 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: her mask. He opens his eyes, he sees who she is, 447 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: and then she basically says like, I can give you 448 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: the I can give you the forgiveness that you need, 449 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: like if you if you drink this poison, I'll forgive you. 450 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: So it's like because because because he and he says, 451 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: I've been waiting for ten years like she, He's been 452 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: waiting for her to go there. 453 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 3: Whatever. 454 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: That is the question. What is the thing that it's 455 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: like Jedi's What does this Jedi feel bad for? What 456 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: did they do? And how intertwined is it with what 457 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: happened to Ocean May. 458 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: I've actually got to go to the discord because there 459 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: was such a good theory about this that I need 460 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: to name check the person who did it, because it 461 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: is like so good, so Alo said our user. Alo said, 462 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: I think Ocean and May are some kind of diad 463 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: like what we saw in the sequel trilogy, and that 464 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: the three Masters recognized May was the dark side of 465 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: the pair, so they tried to kill her. I think 466 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: that is so good, and so I love it and 467 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: I think that that is how they were able to 468 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 2: I love that so much, and I do think that 469 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: there is a potential for some kind of diad here 470 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: or I don't know if they would use that term 471 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 2: after it coming up really in the Rise of the Skywalker, 472 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: but I do think there's some idea of this force connection. 473 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 3: Actually, until they confirmed that. 474 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: They were twins in the first episode, I was pretty 475 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 2: sure that they were going to do something where it 476 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 2: was one person who the Jedi had split into. 477 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: I thought maybe they'd tried kind. 478 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: Of like Adam Warlock, where they made the Majors with 479 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: all of his kind of evil side, and I wondered 480 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 2: if they tried to do that where they'd found this 481 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: very forced sensitive kid and tried to split the dark 482 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: side away and that had become may But they're twins, 483 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: and I think this idea of a diad who had 484 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: tried to kill them, or you know, the other option 485 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: is something like they're from a family of force users 486 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 2: who weren't in the Jedi and the Jedi didn't like it. 487 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: But I love this idea of a diet. I think 488 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 3: it's so cool. I think Alo just absolutely smashed that theory, and. 489 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: I love I love in that moment that Torbyn is 490 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: like He's like I've been waiting for you, and she's like, 491 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: I can give you the thing that you want. 492 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: I can give you forgiveness. I can give you the 493 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: peace you've been looking for. 494 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: He's clearly so oppressed by guilt that the only way 495 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: he can live within the Jedi strictures of disconnection of 496 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: a feeling of emotion is to just be in meditation for. 497 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: Such a good read. And so yeah, he does it. 498 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 3: He drinks the poison. He drinks. 499 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: Then he's like, He's like, I was just waiting for 500 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: this child assassin to come and give me some poison. 501 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: I'm I'm piecing out. I'm one with the force, and 502 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: the forces, one. 503 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: With what we should say before that. May offers him 504 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: a choice before he drinks the poison, which is either, oh, 505 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: you confess your crimes to the Jedi Council, which is 506 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: interesting because it suggests that whatever was done was done 507 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: without the explicit okay from the Jedi Council, which, by 508 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: the way, I think would implicate a high up leader, 509 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: but not all the way at the top. Someone yeah me. 510 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: While Osha and Saul are in the Jedi temple as 511 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: this is happening, Osha feels May's presence. Torb drinks the poison. 512 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: As we said, he drops dead. The Jedi guards confront Osha, 513 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: but Yord number one police officer. 514 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 5: Yored in the building, who was following her but apparently 515 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 5: not following close enough to like actually stop the killing, 516 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 5: is like, you know what I was, I was watching 517 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 5: her the whole time. 518 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: She didn't, I will say, very suspicious. 519 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: And this is one of the reasons why our discord 520 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 2: is proposing that Yord may be the master, because it 521 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: seems like he comes back too quickly, and he's like, 522 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: shouldn't do it? 523 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 3: I don't worry, wasn't that? And May's gone, sorry, oh 524 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: she's gone. 525 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: Osha recognizes the poison. It's called Bunta, it's native to 526 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: her home planet of Brendoc, and it's got a very 527 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: short life span, so it must have been brewed on 528 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: planet and close by because it quickly loses effectiveness over time. 529 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: Solo the Jedi quickly I d Kimier. Jeckie suggests, Hey, 530 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: why don't we send Osha as May to go meet 531 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: with Kimier. 532 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: By the way, very smart, because your suggestion is to 533 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: just go in there and cop it up. 534 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: He's like, He's like, I'm fucking going in there. I'm 535 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: gonna cop it up. 536 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a cop I'm gonna get him to 537 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: tell me what's what, and if he doesn't, I'm gonna 538 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: mind prob himself with the lightsaber. And Jackie's like, oh, 539 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: you could not do that, and you could just use 540 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: this twin to our advantage. 541 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: Can we promote Jackie? I think Jackie's jen enough. 542 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: She's a Jedi knight. 543 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're concerned. 544 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 545 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: Kymri quickly implicates himself as the poison maker. Uh to Osha. 546 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: He says, you know, our boss is gonna be super 547 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: pleased with what you've done. The Jedi snatch him up. 548 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: Soul wants to know who the person behind all of 549 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: this is, but all Kimier really knows is May wants 550 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: revenge from the Jedi and has good reason to. 551 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: See And interestingly, just before the Jedi come in and 552 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: snatch him up bad Boys style, he realizes that it's 553 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: not May, and he says, you look exactly like her, 554 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: implying I think that kaim In knows about Osha, whether 555 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: he knew her from when they were kids, or whether 556 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: he knows her because May's told him about it. 557 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 3: I thought that was really interesting. 558 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: And Manny, he's still looking so handsome and beautiful even 559 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: when he's playing like a cosmic drunk and. 560 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: They're trying they mess up his hair and it's like 561 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: making a greasy and messy him wear. 562 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: Like a raggedy like cloak. But he's still he's killing it. 563 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the jar line could could cut glass. Yes, the 564 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: Jedi steak aut Kimer's shop. May starts walking up, Saul 565 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: confronts her in the street and they have this fight. 566 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: Oh so again, Saul is taking the measure of her. 567 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: He's confused about why May fights weaponless. 568 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: This is very matrix, lots of lots of He will 569 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: never strike her, he's stack, he's he's dodging, and it's 570 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: just so much fun, so much wirework. And again that 571 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: weaponless question comes up, why does she fight weaponless? 572 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: And just as in the fight within Dara, May throws 573 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: knives as a distraction and then and then sweeps in 574 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: to try and grab Saul's lightsaber. Doesn't get it, just 575 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: like within Dara, And as they fight, Saul is interrogating 576 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: May about who she works for. Saul realizes, actually, May 577 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: doesn't know a lot about who her master is. 578 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jedi mind tricks. 579 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: Harm realizes she really doesn't know. 580 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Saul tells May, actually your sister is live. Osha is alive. 581 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: She doesn't believe it. The Jedi try to take her 582 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: into custody, but May who grabs all the sand around 583 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: her force and makes an explosion of sand kind of 584 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: like amawing smoke bump, and she's on a run. Osha 585 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: then draws down on her. She as as May is 586 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: commandeering a vehicle. Ohsha's like in an alley, the entrance 587 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: to an alley. She's like, I would say, three to 588 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: five meters away, pretty close. Oh yeah, she has a 589 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: blaster and set on stunt and she misses. It's like 590 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: a storm trooper level myth And I think she was 591 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: trying because she shoots again. 592 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm very I think they did a good 593 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: job here of like I still don't know, like if 594 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: my life don't on it, I don't know. But the 595 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: fact that she shoots again does kind of seem like it. 596 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: But maybe it was a she did she couldn't. 597 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: She couldn't do. 598 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: It the first time, and then she's frustrated, so she 599 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: does it the second time. But then you know, the twins, 600 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 2: their eyes meet, we see that there's two of them, 601 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: and in that moment they kind of realized that their 602 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: sister is still alive. 603 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: Saul, of course, wants to continue the pursuit. They're hot 604 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: on maze heels, she's they're right here on planet with her. 605 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: She's and it's his chance to save this kid that 606 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: he never got to say. He didn't get to bring 607 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: into the Jedi fold. 608 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: But Venestra is like, no, you got to come back 609 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: to Coroussant we had There's something I don't know. The 610 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: coffee maker is down. There's something here that you need 611 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: to deal with. You need to come back to the 612 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: Corothon right now. 613 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: Why she's she doesn't want him to get to the truth. 614 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: I think that there's something. I think that there's something. 615 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: Kimer and may find each other on the outskirts of 616 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: the city. He says, I got a great place for 617 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: us to hide out and we can multitask. We should 618 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: go to Cofar where the Wookie Jedi master kill Knack. 619 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: A Wookie Jedi adamiye Lizen. We have to see this 620 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: little house. I love him kill that. I love you. 621 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: I believe that you are an important Jedi. I believe 622 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: you will survive. I don't want you to die. 623 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: I want to see. 624 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: Count that guy, I need to see you, my friend. 625 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: The Star Wars shows have done such a good job. 626 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: Giving us cool wookies. Yeah, you know, like the cool 627 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: metal Wookie who I think was. 628 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: In Book of Boba Fair Yeah, or Mandalorian, I can't remember, 629 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 2: but he was great. 630 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 3: Who was from the Kieran Gillen comics. Yes, the Acolyte. 631 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: I was a lover of this series. I those first 632 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 2: two episodes I loved. I really loved the action. I 633 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: felt like they did this great job of expanding on 634 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 2: what we were excited about when we saw Emmana Spardi's. 635 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 3: Performance as Oh my God, why is my mind? 636 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: Ezra as Ezra and that kind of he was using 637 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: this more peaceful version of that was fighting. 638 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: That was more about, you. 639 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: Know, controlling the wind. And but I love that here 640 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: we get this force martial arts. 641 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: You know. When I spoke to. 642 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: Leslie Headlin, she was just so in awe of the 643 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: stunt team and kind of talking about how they had 644 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 2: really Chris Cowan, who'd worked on the Dark Vata scene 645 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 2: in and he came up under Brad Allen, who's like 646 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: a very famous stunt guy, and they just like did 647 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: so much wirework, so much practical stunt work. Amandler had 648 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: two stunt doubles, Colleen and Cassie, and they just really 649 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: I think the action in this is a standout. 650 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: Even though it's a slow burn mystery, and I know 651 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: that for some people that is not necessarily going to 652 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: be what they want from a Star Wars show. 653 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: It's very intimate, it has very few characters compared to 654 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: what we usually see. But for me, this feels like 655 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: the best of the books of the expanded universe of 656 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: the High Republic, where you're following a small team on 657 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: a mission and you're getting to see new parts of 658 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 2: the world that still feel familiar. You're getting to build 659 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 2: in that law, whether it's with getting to see this 660 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: new version of Finestra, getting to see the early kind 661 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: of ships that might end up being able to travel 662 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: through light speed. Like I just it was really everything 663 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: I wanted and I love that came in and was like, 664 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: you think that I did a twist in Russian Doll, Well, 665 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: guess what, I've been showing you the wrong character the 666 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: whole time in all the trailers, and they're twins. And 667 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: a really funny thing she told me was they're actually 668 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: originally were meant to be just sisters, right, and it's 669 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 2: this idea of if you want to explore the dark 670 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 2: side and the light. And then she was like, well, 671 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: Luke and Lea, maybe they should be twins. And then 672 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: she found out something I don't know that I knew 673 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: or had heard of. 674 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: Kathleen Kennedy is a twin. 675 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 4: WHOA. 676 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of what cemented it. 677 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: And Kathleen was like, yeah, baby twins, let's do it 678 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: like And that's kind of how it became more of 679 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: this idea of them being twins rather than just just sisters. 680 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: So I thought that was really cool. 681 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: I love the idea of I'm hoping that we they 682 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 2: do keep They do kind of say this thing when 683 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: they're in that mind palace or whatever where they kind 684 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 2: of see each other as kids, where it's like, you know. 685 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 3: Or born as two, always as one or. 686 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: Something, and I think that really sounds very diet ish. 687 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: I agree. 688 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 689 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: right back. 690 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 3: We're so I'm very interested to see what did you 691 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: think about it? 692 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: I loved it. I didn't love it as much when 693 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: I watched only the first episode, but then on rewatch, Yes, 694 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: when I watched one and two I was like, actually, 695 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: this is great, and then. 696 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: Definitely you got to watch two because somebody in our 697 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: discord said the same thing. Yeah, you know, if one 698 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily leave you with that big moment, but two 699 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 2: you by that point you're invested in the world. 700 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Yes, by two, I'm like, Okay, this is actually extremely interesting. 701 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: And then on second rewatch you start noticing all the 702 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: little whether it's clues or clues to the kind of 703 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: the philosophical I think conflict at the heart of this story, 704 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: which is how complicit are the Jedi in bad things 705 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: that happen to the galaxy specific to their guardianship. I 706 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: think i'd call it gatekeeping of the force. How does 707 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: their gatekeeping of the force potentially create the enemies that 708 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: they then fight? And I think that's a really fascinating question. 709 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: And I think that I think that you know, you've 710 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: you've laid out. I think a lot of really interesting 711 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: past this could take. And I think it's going to 712 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: be at the heart of this. It's going to be 713 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: something about the way the Jedi reach out to and 714 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: manage Force users. Yeah, I think the Jedi listen. They're 715 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: clearly a military organization. Although they try to present themselves 716 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: as a like peace key pace keeper, right, they train 717 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: children in the arts of warfare from a very young age. 718 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: And I think we're going to find that there are 719 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: other paths to the Force. 720 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: That have existed that the Jedi do not like. 721 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: That the Jedi do not like for whatever reason. 722 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right, and that while there are. 723 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: Evil people who would use the Force for evil and 724 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: would easily be you know, inculcated into the ways of 725 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: the Sith if they exist now, I think we're also 726 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: going to find that there are people on the margins 727 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: who don't want to be soldiers or don't want to 728 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: wield at lightsaber or using the Force for other. 729 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 2: Things exactly like if you're connected to the Force, could 730 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 2: you have like a you know, the beginning of Furio, 731 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: So we get to see this kind of lush space 732 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: within the desert where they grow food and they and 733 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 2: they have fresh water and there's grass and there's fruit. 734 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: I would love to know and there are people who 735 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: can farm like that. They're people who mess up the 736 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 2: Trade Federation because they're able. 737 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: To grow their own food via the Force. 738 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm interested in that. Also, you mentioned the Sith. I 739 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 2: think something's really interesting is when Kimer and May are 740 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 2: making the poison, they say pieces a lie, and that 741 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 2: is the first line of like the Sith code, pieces 742 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, igrain strength 743 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 2: through strength, I gain power. So I'm interested like to 744 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: see if the way that the Jedi have tried to 745 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: control the force, if it's gonna be able to draw 746 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 2: a direct line between that and then the resurgence of 747 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 2: the Sith, which I think is is really natural because 748 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 2: if you try and stop people from using it, then 749 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: people are gonna look for different ways to use it, 750 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 2: and that is obviously gonna lead you to the old books. 751 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: You're gonna find out about the Sith. Oh dear power 752 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 2: of too. It's gonna be It's gonna be a lot. 753 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: I can't wait to keep watching this really fun show. Yeah, 754 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: it looks amazing. It looks so good, like just visual quality, 755 00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: the action, the sets, the backgrounds. It looks great. It 756 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 1: looks great. 757 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 3: I love the costumes. 758 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it really feels like if you love 759 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 2: the High Republic books, it really feels like you're reading 760 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 2: one of them. The visuals of it feel like it's 761 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 2: come to life and uh oh, it could be fun 762 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 2: to do a high Republic episode. Actually, we have a 763 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: lot of High Republic book readers. That could be really fun. 764 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love it. It's gonna be coming out. 765 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 3: It's got that Ahsoka style drop. 766 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 2: It's going to be Tuesday at six pm PT, nine 767 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 2: pm ET. 768 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: And yeah, I can't wait to see what happens next. 769 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: And that's it for today's episode. 770 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for listening, Thanks so much for listening. 771 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 3: Don't Be a Cop Like Your. 772 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kitsupsion and Rosie 773 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive 774 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: producers are Jewel Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer 775 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and 776 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 777 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman 778 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 2: and Heidi our discord moderator.