1 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. 2 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: Hold it. 3 00:00:36,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Now, release slowly again deep in, helle hold release, repeating 4 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I 5 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: am deeply, deeply well. I I am deeply well. I 6 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: am deeply well. I'm Debbie Brown. And this is the 7 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place 8 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: to land on your journey. 9 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: A podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready 10 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is 11 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: where we heal, This is where we become. Welcome back 12 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: to the show. It's Debbie Brown and we are diving 13 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: in today. One of the biggest things that I think 14 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: hit so many of us on the journey, but it's 15 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: definitely something that I have lasting questions about always, is 16 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: about there being this perceived end to our suffering. There 17 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: is an end to suffering, but there isn't an end 18 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: to challenges because sometimes things that have happened to us 19 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: just exists in our biology, no matter how much work 20 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: we've done. This is a space that I love to 21 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: dive into. This is the space where we find real 22 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: freedom and acceptance and peace, and that is my intention 23 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: for this episode. I hope as you listen, your heart 24 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: is open, it's expanded. Come into a place of neutrality, 25 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: and let's investigate how we can make some very powerful 26 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: shifts with my very special guest. 27 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: Today. 28 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Today's guest, I am joined by doctor Anita Phillips. She 29 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: is a trauma therapist, a life coach, a minister, and 30 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: an author. She's widely recognized as a thought leader at 31 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: the intersection of mental health, faith and culture. She is 32 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: releasing her first book, The Garden Within, where the War 33 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: with your emotions ends and your most powerful life begins. 34 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Anita has the earth links between cutting edge scientific 35 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: inquiry and scripture's ancient use of gardens to reveal what 36 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: it means to truly flourish. She seamlessly integrates the spiritual, psychological, 37 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: and biological dimensions of the human experience. This book provides 38 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: the tools for people to nurture parts of themselves that 39 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: have been misunderstood for too long, setting them free to 40 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 2: live just as the creator intended, authentic, fruitful, and powerful. 41 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 42 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. There's been 43 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: so many legendary healers in this scene, so I'm honored 44 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: ah to say with you. 45 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: I'm so happy you're here. And when I was first 46 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: like looking forward, looking through your work and looking through 47 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: the things that you are birthing, especially in this year 48 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: with this new book, I felt I said, oh, that's 49 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: a woman of my own heart, you know, especially when 50 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: I read the mix between psychological, biological, and this human 51 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: and spiritual experience. You know, we are here for a 52 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: lot of things, and so often, especially when people are 53 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: looking to advance and become themselves, remember themselves. You know, 54 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 2: people often take one approach and then feel frustrated that 55 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: everything else isn't balancing out because you're doing the one 56 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: thing or focusing on the one facet of your life. 57 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: And what I've come to know for myself and my 58 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: own journey over the years is that once you kind 59 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: of master or come into deep awareness around one facet 60 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: of how you show up in the world, you're then 61 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: invited to do it with every other possible way you 62 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 2: are seeing in experience. 63 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: Indeed every way. That's so true. You know, we are 64 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: interdependent systems, and Western culture has too often convinced us 65 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: to deal with ourselves in parts. But it's not possible. 66 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 3: So just like a car engine has three hundred different parts, 67 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: but together power emerges from the system. We have to 68 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: understand ourselves the same way. But I believe the Creator 69 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: designed us to function as gardens and gardens or systems, 70 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: and they are more. The parts of a garden are 71 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: more interdependent, even than in a car, because if I 72 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 3: pull a plant out of the ground to examine it, 73 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 3: I can't because I've killed it. It will be dead. 74 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: We must look at how we work as a system, 75 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: a living system, to understand that all of our parts 76 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: depend on each other, so our spiritual, our emotional, our mental, 77 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: our physical lives. Each one is feeding the other. And 78 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 3: when we just try to focus on the mind, mind, 79 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: which is what we overwhelmingly do, Yes, we are absolutely 80 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: missing the big picture. 81 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: Oh that is so beautifully said. You know, it's the 82 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: sum of all the parts and experiences and using all 83 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: the parts, and you know that piece about our heads. 84 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think when when a lot of this 85 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: kind of big paradigm shifting energy started permeating the planet 86 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: again in the last few years. 87 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: You know. 88 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: The lead kind of anchor of the conversation was around 89 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: specifically mental health and the way that it connects to therapy, 90 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: and usually very often like cognitive behavioral therapy and it's. 91 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: Like, I'm not a fan. Yeah, I'm not a fan. 92 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: And you know, I would have so many people say, oh, 93 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: you know with like I've been in therapy for twenty years, 94 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: and I'm like, but you shouldn't be necessarily you know 95 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: that are we working our process? Are we learning the 96 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: processes that actually allow us to shed release and become 97 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: more And you know, I think that's one of the 98 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: greatest gifts of this moment is knowing that there are 99 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: so many multiple paths to this work. Now as as 100 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: a therapist specifically connected in the very deep, delicate and 101 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: massively important work of trauma, how did you come into 102 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: that space? You know, that's it takes its toll, and 103 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: therapists don't get a chance to talk about this as 104 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: much because usually when you're talking, you're in service, so 105 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: you're helping another or you're expanding a mind and a heart. 106 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: But to actually study the work and understand how trauma 107 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: affects us, what it does to us, what it may 108 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: have done to the individual studying it's an incredibly somber 109 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: and sobering work. 110 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 3: It is sobering, but it's also awe inspiring because our fragility. 111 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: There's a beauty in and the fact that we can 112 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: heal also beauty, and so it's painful to see what breaks, 113 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: but it is all inspiring how we're made. And I 114 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: came into this work like a lot of people do. 115 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: I'm a trauma survivor. I had an older sister had 116 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: a severe mental illness and that brought out a trauma 117 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: to our family system emotionally, relationally, but also spiritually. I'm 118 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: a pastor's kid, traditional Black church grew up and so 119 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: when my sister started having hallucinations of demons, well, how 120 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: do we intervene what's actually happening here? And so that 121 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: began a long journey for me as a trauma survivor. 122 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: I'm also a sexual abust survivor at rape survivor, so 123 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: I have my own traumas and in my early twenties, 124 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: I had an encounter that allowed me to know that 125 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: this isn't the past in my body, it's the present. 126 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: And that's where the questions began. How do we carry this? 127 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: Why is it still here? What do we do about it? 128 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: Not rushing to condemn it, but to be ca Yeah, 129 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 3: And so that's how I started this journey to going 130 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: into trauma work. And it is the most sacred work, 131 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: the best work. I can't imagine any other work that 132 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: people will allow me into their darkest places and trust 133 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: me to walk them out. 134 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: It's such an honor. 135 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: It's an honor. 136 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: That's it is. 137 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: It's an honor. And I'm addicted to the work. I'm 138 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: addicted to seeing the light come on in someone's eyes. 139 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 3: I'm addicted to seeing their body postures shift. I'm addicted 140 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 3: to seeing their relationship with the creator rewritten and repaired 141 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: because so often it has been written abusively. Yeah, I'm addicted. 142 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: I have no qualms about admitting that I'll never get 143 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: over it. 144 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: I love, love, love the way you expressed all of that. 145 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: It's you know, watching the light come on in someone 146 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: is just like the most I could cry right now, 147 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: Like it's just most exquisite, extraordinary thing, you know, And 148 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: it's interesting. And I love the way you know, to 149 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: be able to hold such grace in your body as 150 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: you do such a difficult work and as you speak 151 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: to a difficult work, you know, I think that is 152 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: one of I imagine so many of the people that 153 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: have worked for you. That brings forward to such a 154 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: healing in and of itself, just to see you hold 155 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: really heavy things but without having a pitifulness in the 156 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: way that that person is being experienced, or shock or 157 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: horror or just kind of like, yes, this is true 158 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: and other things are true too or can be right. 159 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: That's so important because I'm always communicating to them, to 160 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: my clients, to the people who trust me that they're safe, yeah, 161 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: that this journey is assured, and that they are going 162 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: to be okay. And so in that way, I'm a midwife. 163 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: No one stands next to a woman giving birth and 164 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: all is well. She's uncomfortable, there's a lot going on, 165 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: but the midwife knows the pain that's going to pass, 166 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: and she's confident in her capacity to accompany this woman 167 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: while she does this work. And that's how I feel. 168 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: So I'm present, I care, I'm touched by the pain, 169 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: but I'm also excited about the journey because I know 170 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: what's going to be birthed, and I want them to 171 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: feel that confidence for me that we're going to get 172 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 3: there together. So for me, it's not a challenge. I 173 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: know some people feel like for some people experience it differently, 174 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: you know, listening to the harder stories, taking the weight, 175 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: but I'm so confident in the outcome that I just 176 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: can treasure what I'm being given. It's just so beautiful 177 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: to take you in. 178 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. 179 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: I love everything that you're sharing. It's so powerful, so meaningful, 180 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: so important. A way that I relate to that myself 181 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: is like I share with clients and with friends. You know, 182 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: I'm built for the dark. Yes, listen, I'm built for it. Yeah, 183 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: working for spirits right there. Yeah, I am, I'm built 184 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: for it. One of my girlfriends was like, you know, 185 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: I feel like I just always am coming to you 186 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: with hard stuff and I don't want you to have 187 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: to always like that's a lot on you. And I 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: was like, thank you for that, you know, thank you 189 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: absolutely for having an awareness of my participation and what 190 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: it may require. But also I'm built for this, and 191 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: there are some people that can hold pain and darkness 192 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: and trauma in a way that actually feels really beautiful 193 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: for both parties. Yea, And like that's something I treasure 194 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: about myself. 195 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that about you immediately because I understand 196 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: what you're saying. Yes, it's that Harriet. I call that 197 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: Harriet Tubman anointing. Yeah, I will come and get you. 198 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: I know the way. I know the way, and I 199 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: will keep going back to places that I escaped from 200 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 3: and I will come and get you. And it will 201 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: be dark and it will be scary, and you might 202 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: try to quit, and I'm a lean on you if 203 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: you do, and we are coming out of here. Yeah, 204 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: it's an anointing and it's anointing. 205 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: To do the work. You know. What I think is 206 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: really beautiful and reading through some of your story is 207 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: you know right now where I think we're at a 208 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 2: big moment, especially for the Black Church, as it comes 209 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: to understanding that there are more tools available to us 210 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: and God requires our participation. You know, this is a 211 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: co creation for you to you know, one of the 212 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: things in your bio speaks to your background as a therapist, 213 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: your background in faith as a minister. How did it 214 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: feel early on when you realize that those two worlds 215 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: could merge and that it was also, like I imagine, 216 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: really necessary for them to be merged for people, especially 217 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: so people can break out of the I've been in 218 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: therapy for twenty years and begin that kind of one 219 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: on one relationship. What was that experience like for you 220 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: bringing those worlds together. 221 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: You know, I was very fortunate in that my mother 222 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: wrote a piece of my story really well. At one point, 223 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: my sister eventually became addicted to drugs, trying to self 224 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: medicate her mental illness, and so much confusion for our 225 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: family and my mom. I once walked in on her 226 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: just crying. She was just crying that way you cry 227 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 3: when nobody's you don't think anybody's there. And I walked 228 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: in on that, and she turned and looked at me, 229 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: those tears streaming down her face, and she said, I 230 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: don't know what's happening with your sister. I know there's 231 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: something wrong and we don't understand it. But know this, 232 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: God is good, and one day we'll understand this and 233 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: we'll realize it was human era. It was something that 234 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: went wrong, but it won't have been God. And so, 235 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: as a young person, that sealed something for me. It 236 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: protected the Creator's place in my heart and left me 237 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: pursuing answers. But the answer could never be that the 238 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: Creator wasn't good. That was not an option. And so 239 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: her assurance that's somewhere in that Bible was an answer, 240 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: even if she never found it herself. I absorbed that faith. 241 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: I soaked it up like a sponge and I went 242 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: searching for it. So the answer was already there, and 243 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: that this scripture somewhere in here, and this sacred book 244 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: that has survived all these sounds of years, despite how 245 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: it's been misused, misapplied, chick, it's still laying here. That 246 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: somewhere in there is an answer, and let's just believe 247 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: God he's going to give it to us. And he 248 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: did by walking me into a garden. I mean, from 249 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: Genesis to Revelation, it's about gardens. And we have taken 250 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: that storyline for granted in a sense, you know, being 251 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: so self focused, like oh, six days of describing the 252 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: Creator planting a garden, and we've diminished that to a 253 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: cool place. 254 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: For us to live. Now. 255 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: The Creator was laying out our parts like we lay 256 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: out our ikea furniture, we lay out all the parts. 257 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: He was laying out the parts, and on the sixth day, 258 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: the garden that the Creator made wrapped it up into 259 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: a person. We're embodied gardens, and so every single day 260 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: of creation that's described describes some aspect of our spiritual, emotional, mental, 261 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: or biological functioning. There's a biological map in Eden, and 262 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: I followed it there because I believed that we don't 263 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: have to separate our knowledge sources, that I can pull 264 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: something out of spirit that's completely applicable in my neurobiology class. 265 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: And that turned out to be true. And so when 266 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: we now look at cutting edge science, we are seeing 267 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: how much like plants we really are. Plants communicate with 268 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: each other in the same way that our neurons do. 269 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: They send chemicals between their roots and send messages to 270 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: each other about whether the soil is getting crowded or 271 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: there's enough water, or bugs are attacking us. And the 272 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: chemicals that they use include neurotransmitters. There's dopamine and serotonin 273 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: in the soil, and there's dopamina serotonin in the soil 274 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: of my body. And as a person whose spiritual life 275 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: is embodied through the expression of Christianity, when I look 276 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 3: at Scripture, on day three, the Creator made plants, and 277 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 3: on day six he made people. So the plants are 278 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: modeled after me, I'm modeled after them. And so while 279 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: we're doing all this science and we're asking all these questions, 280 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: a tree has had the answer the entire time. The 281 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: trees have had the answer. The entire time. The soil 282 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: is at the answer seed, soil, plant fruit. That is 283 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: the entire answer to all of our questions of human behavior. Seeds, soil, 284 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: plant fruit. In every culture, in every language, in every era, 285 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: people understand those things. So the creator wrote this very 286 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: simple lesson plant, and we've been mucking it up and 287 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: making it complex, but it's not. Seed is spirit to 288 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: the words that we speak, and they fall in the 289 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 3: soil of our heart. Our emotional lives are critical to 290 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: our belief systems, and then that seed if the plant, 291 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: If the seed finds a heart that has what it needs, 292 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: the plant springs up. That's our mind are our thoughts, 293 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: and then the fruit is the behavior of the decisions, 294 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: but also our physical health and what manifests. And so 295 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 3: that's all. We are words which sometimes become beliefs in 296 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: hearts that are emotionally fertile for those words good or bad. 297 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: And then our mind is just the plant, asking questions 298 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: about the seed, and then a fruit. What we do. 299 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: That's it. 300 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: That's the whole thing. And because emotions are bodily experiences, 301 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: and this is the critical lesson that I want people 302 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: to get. Emotions are not the result of your thoughts. 303 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: They are bodily experiences that precede your thinking and shape 304 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: your thinking and guide your thinking. So everyone who's running 305 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: around saying I'm not an emotional person, no, you don't 306 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: know that you're emotional. You are not aware of your 307 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 3: emotions because culture and pain have trained us to disconnect 308 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: from our bodies. But we are all emotional beings as 309 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 3: much as we are physical beings. Emotions are biological experiences, 310 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: and so we have to reconnect to our bodies spirits 311 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: and realize our mind is just a product of those things. 312 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: And so you don't start solving a problem by with 313 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: the outcome, you start with the input. If I have 314 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: a tree and it's bearing fruit that I don't like, 315 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: I don't just pick the fruit and think I'm done. 316 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: I got to address the tree itself. And to do that, 317 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: I got to dig them into the ground. So everything 318 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: goes back to the soil of our hearts, our emotional lives, 319 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: our divine base. And that throws some people off, you know, 320 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: even in the tradition that I come from, Like, no, 321 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 3: our spirit is the base. No, it's an input. Yeah, 322 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: it's not for this experience. Yeah, in this room, the heart, 323 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: spirit relationship is inseparable, and Jesus taught this in the 324 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: Parable of the Sower. It's in Matthew thirteen. Jesus tells 325 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 3: a story called the Parable of the Sower about a 326 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: sower going out and sowing all these seeds on different 327 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: types of soil, and he identifies the different types of 328 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: soil using emotion descriptors. One soil is flat, dry, the 329 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: seed falls on it, a bird eats it. The soil 330 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: cannot do anything for the seed, and he applies no 331 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: emotion to that soil. There's nothing. And then there's one 332 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: that's called stony ground, and Jesus says it started out 333 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 3: with joy in it, but then anger got into it 334 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: and it killed the seed. And then there's a soil 335 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: that had fear in it and thorns grew out of 336 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: that space. He's using this extensive emotional language, and we 337 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 3: have not been listening to that. And he says, these 338 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: are hearts, these are heart states, and the seed is 339 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: God's word. So when divine words fall on the soil, 340 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: the state of the heart will impact how that seed grows. 341 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: And so your emotional life is an active ingredient in 342 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: your spiritual life. And we've been trying to separate it 343 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: and believe in spite of our feelings instead of cultivating 344 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: wellness in our hearts so that we can receive seeds well. 345 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: And so that's why I say our emotion is such 346 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: a base, because how we feel matters to God, to us, 347 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: and to the people who love us. How we feel matters. 348 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: Everyone listening, give yourself an opportunity right now to just 349 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: take a deep breath here, like, let's just metabolize all 350 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: of this just incredibly phenomenally explained information that you just 351 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: took in. Take a couple deep breaths here, and there's 352 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: no solutions to be had, and you don't have to 353 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 2: find where everything goes in this exact moment. But when 354 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: you get space as you're listening to this episode, I 355 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: really want you this week to rewind to that entire 356 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: piece that doctor Nita Phillips shared with us and play 357 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: that back a few times, think about it, journal to it, 358 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: see what comes up for you in that. I mean, 359 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: that was just utterly gorgeous. Thank you, thank you, thank you, 360 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: thank you deeply well, there were so many things that 361 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: you said that I'm like, I have individual thoughts on 362 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: right now, but I love that love. I'm like trying 363 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: to get back into the midst of it. First things first, 364 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: I want to just speak to the power of your 365 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: mother and how I mean that is a master class 366 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: on showing up as a parent for your child and 367 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: not even having the expectations that you have to have 368 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: all the answers. 369 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: Yea. 370 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: You know so often I think parents people, there is 371 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: this shame, there's this fear, there's this kind of anger 372 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: and frustration around not knowing some things, especially when you 373 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: need to be the emotional support for your family or 374 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: help your child understand and process. And there is space 375 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: to be in the midst of it too and hold 376 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: space for someone else. And what she shared with you 377 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: is so powerful to me. And the way that it 378 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: entered your body and I can't remember the exact term 379 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: you used, but you said something along the lines of 380 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: that allowed like creator to still be secure in your heart. 381 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: It was a protection. It put a guard on my heart. 382 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: You know the Bible says to guard your heart Les 383 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: Probs four twenty three. She puts some guard around my 384 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: heart so that it wouldn't escape, that faith wouldn't escape 385 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: my heart. You know, we talk about guarding our hearts, 386 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 3: not letting something in. But it's also about what we 387 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: don't let escape. I'm not going to allow this situation 388 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: to let hope escape. I'm not going to let faith escape. 389 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: I will not let love escape. I'm guarding something precious 390 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: and nothing in this world. I won't allow it to escape. 391 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: It's not about barring everything out. Sometimes it's about making 392 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: sure that you keep something from getting out. And she 393 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: put a guard there that day. 394 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: That's just the deepest testament to faith and what I 395 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: what I deeply believe we are unpacking as a society 396 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: right now is like these words that we have been 397 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: using to really assert our character or what we think, 398 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: you know, those words will mean about us. A lot 399 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: of people have had different definitions for these words, or 400 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: different technical implementation and understanding of them. But that piece 401 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: like being able to submerge in your faith, being able 402 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: to cultivate a spiritual confidence, because without it we can't 403 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: do the work. We simply can't. We have to rest 404 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: in something that is so much bigger than us to 405 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: give ourselves the space and the freedom to excavate, to 406 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: do the you know, the tilling of the soil, and 407 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: you know that's just divine. That is just beautiful. You're 408 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: a new book, the Garden Within, where the war with 409 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: your emotions ends and your most powerful life begins. Can 410 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: you speak to us? I mean, I know that you 411 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: just did, but can you speak to us about some 412 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 2: of the processes in this book? And especially for someone 413 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: that may feel like they've been doing some of the work, 414 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: that there's a certain awareness, you know, what are some 415 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: of the ways that they can actually come to embodiment 416 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: with your book. 417 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: I think I like to say that this isn't a 418 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: self help book. It's a self understanding book, because so 419 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: many of us have read so many self help books. 420 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: And it's four steps to this and three tips for 421 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: that and two hacks for this. And I understand the 422 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: desire for those kind of tips and tricks. Yeah, but 423 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: there's an assumption and in that, Yeah, it's not my 424 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: thing because a lot of times you want to know 425 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: what to do without understanding what you're working with. Yeah, 426 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: if I can help you understand how you're created, you 427 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: can solve your problem over and over because you can 428 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 3: go back and reinvigorate the system. And so I think 429 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: this will help people who have found themselves stuck in 430 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: certain ways on their healing journey to kind of redefine 431 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 3: the destination. A lot of us are on journeys with 432 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: no destination. How will you know when you are healed? 433 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 3: Is it just you'll be out of pain? Because guess what, 434 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: that's never coming. There's always going to be pain in life. 435 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: And so the book is really focused on helping you 436 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: understand how you're made, recognizing emotion as the soil in 437 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: that garden. What that means spiritually. Then the second part 438 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: of the book is what it means in terms of 439 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: your thinking, So really help you to transition in your 440 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: mind the way you've wanted to but haven't been able to. 441 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: And then finally, biologically, what does that mean? So there's 442 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 3: deep lessons here about the nervous system, about our para 443 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: sympathetic nervous system, recognizing that our vagus nerve is actually 444 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: a tree. It's designed like a tree in the center 445 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 3: of our garden. And how do we touch our bodies 446 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: to heal our hearts and minds because we've been trying 447 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 3: to think our way out of trauma and we have 448 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: to bodily heal our way through it. 449 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: Have to, we have to. 450 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 3: I was talking to a beautiful group of women last 451 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: night about this, and there were many women in the 452 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: room who were grieving, and the spirit just arrested me 453 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: and said, just let's talk about grief, and I wanted 454 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: to encourage them. Your body needs to heal from the 455 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: loss of your loved one. Yeah, we're so used to 456 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: cognitive behavioral therapy, these cultural tropes about the mind. But 457 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: the book is really focused on helping you see that 458 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: your body is the healing first step. 459 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that. 460 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: Take the time to eat, drink water, sleep, be still, 461 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: wrap up in blankets, smell good candles, go to the ocean, sit, 462 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: allow your body to heal because that's where it begins. 463 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: We can't think past our bodies, and the book is 464 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: very focused on that that we are embodied gardens and 465 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: we haven't understood our biology on a basic level, and 466 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: so we're trying to get all these tips and tricks, 467 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: but we don't understand how the machine is working. So 468 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: the book is really focused on that whole spirit mind 469 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: body connection and that it's rooted in the emotional life 470 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: the heart. 471 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and you know that piece. Like without just 472 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: in the reading and the absorbing of information or having 473 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: these tips or tricks, you're not giving yourself, the chance 474 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: to learn a core piece of why I believe we're here, 475 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: which is developing devotion. It's developing, you know, the discipline. 476 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 2: And I don't mean discipline in the way we use it. 477 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean it as like a discipline, a system, a 478 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: thing that you are looking to master in service to 479 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: the way that you operate and your relationship with Creator. 480 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: And yeah, those those are the pieces that I think 481 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: get the majority of people that desire to grow a 482 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: little bit stuck, you know, because it isn't the first time, right, 483 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: It isn't you know, Or it may be the breakthrough 484 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: the first time. But then you've got to have the 485 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: patience to be with your body as it starts to 486 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: do things that make you uncomfortable. 487 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: Process, right, because pain is sometimes a part of the process. 488 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: There's a story I share in the book about the 489 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: birth of my daughter. I had my daughter, both my 490 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: son and my daughter without pay medication. But with my son, 491 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: I was still at the hospital. With my daughter, I wasn't. 492 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 3: I studied a birthing method that actually taught me that 493 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 3: my emotional state would indicate where in the birth journey 494 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: I was. And they call them emotional signposts, and so 495 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: At different points during my labor at home, we were 496 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: calling the midwife saying, hey, I think I'm in this place, 497 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: and she said, well, as your water broken, no how 498 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: close your contractions they were far. All of the visible 499 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: signs were saying that my labor wasn't progressing, But emotionally, 500 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: I was mapping exactly what this method had taught me, 501 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: and I ultimately ended up having my daughter at home 502 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: because they kept saying, you don't need to come to 503 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: the hospital, You're not closed, but I knew I was close. 504 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: Every emotional sign post was there, and when she was born, 505 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: I realized I had been able to follow my heart 506 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: on this birthing journey, that my emotions were a more 507 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: reliable indicator of where I was than the visible signs 508 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: the doctor was looking for. And that was life changing 509 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 3: for me because I realized the relationship between my emotions 510 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: and my body, and that power is within me. If 511 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: I listen, I can birth a powerful thing. There was 512 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: no instruction in this birthing method on how to avoid 513 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 3: the painful emotions. The goal was to note them and 514 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: take the information about where I was in the process 515 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: of birthing something new in my life, and that's true 516 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: for us all the time, but I don't want, especially 517 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 3: my Black brothers and sisters, to get out of hand 518 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: because we can sometimes take pain as a lifestyle and 519 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: trying apply meaning to every single thing. Our tolerance is high, 520 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: one because of what we've been through, but two because 521 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: we do have an enduring belief that there's order in 522 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: the spirit realm, and so when we endure pain, we 523 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: believe some order must be coming to this. But sometimes 524 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: we take it a little too far, and we want 525 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: to have a reason for everything. I don't believe in that. 526 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: Some people say everything happens for a reason. I say, yeah, 527 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: but not always a good reason. Yeah, sometimes it's just ish, 528 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: you know. And we need to not own all of 529 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: that pain as purpose, but realize that we can follow 530 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: a journey that is sometimes indicated through pain that we're 531 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: close to being to the pleasure on the other side. 532 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: That makes sense, oh gosh, a million percent, you know. 533 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 2: And I think that that is that's the understanding that 534 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: has been taught for thousands of years that we choose 535 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: to kind of look away from since, you know, I 536 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: think back to some of my favorite poetry from roomy 537 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: thirteenth century Persian post right and he was saying, you know, 538 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: let darkness be your candle, you know, when you think 539 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: about catalyzing pain and darkness for your highest good. Yeah, 540 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: the alchemy of that, it's just it's so divine. But 541 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: to also what we're speak to, you get to a point, 542 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: especially when you become safe in your body, where you 543 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: can actually learn through joy your pleasure. Yes, but if 544 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: we have been so used to learning through pain and 545 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: our tolerance is so high for it generationally, then joy 546 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: actually feels like sometimes the worst option of the two 547 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: because you don't have experience with it, don't trust it, 548 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: You don't trust it. It feels so foreign, and then 549 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: it brings to light. Why wasn't I ever feeling this before? Yeah? 550 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: Why wasn't this on the table for me this whole time? 551 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, those knowings, those insights are it's the map. 552 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: You know. Pain can be our map until we get 553 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 2: to a certain point that we realize we can find 554 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: a map of joy and pleasure and neutrality and just 555 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: kind of you know, all the deep. 556 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: Observation, Yeah, and feel all of the things and not 557 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 3: to I think sometimes we resist joy because we are 558 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: afraid it's fleeting. Yes it is, but you know what 559 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: pain can be fleeting too. They both are right. 560 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: I hate them both. 561 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 3: We do need them both, and sometimes we stay near 562 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: the pain so that we're not blindsided when it comes. 563 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: We're so afraid of it that we're like, if I 564 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: take my eyes off it, it might sneak up on me. 565 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 3: And we don't realize that means I'm binding myself to 566 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: pain because I'm afraid that if I stop thinking about it, 567 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 3: stop looking at it, stop feeling it, it'll suddenly sneak 568 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: up on me. Yeah, and so I'll just stay in pain. 569 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 570 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: And I had someone listening, Yeah, right now is thinking, dang, 571 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: that's the truth. I'm so busy trying not to be 572 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: surprised by pain that I'm allowing myself to be in 573 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: pain all the time, Yes, rather than be worried about 574 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: when it might come back. 575 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 576 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: The ebbs and flows and Queen flows, so we'll never 577 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: get away from it. So it's like that deep surrender 578 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: that Okay, grief's present, Oh, joy is present. Use them both, we. 579 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: Have to, absolutely, and there's a power attached to it. Yeah. Again, 580 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: looking at the life of Jesus another one of those 581 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: kind of watershed moments for me as I was working 582 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 3: on this work of understanding what emotions really are. For 583 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 3: Jesus was incredibly emotional. We see this intensely emotional man 584 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 3: who expressed his emotional pain in public, in words, in 585 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: bodily expressions. Jesus was intensely emotional. We see Jesus standing 586 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: in front of Lazarus's tomb, crying in front of everyone. 587 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: Some people say he was crying because his friend died. 588 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 3: Some say because he was thinking about his own death. 589 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 3: We don't know, but we know he was crying, and 590 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: we also know he was about to raise Lazars from 591 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 3: the dead. Yet, even though he knew some powerful outcome 592 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: was coming, he still felt it was okay to express 593 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 3: his pain in the moment. And we often don't feel 594 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 3: like that's okay for us. But Jesus expressed that pain. 595 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: He cried in public. Jesus flipped tables in the temple 596 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: when he was mad, whipped, people threw him out. He 597 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 3: went off because his father's house was being disrespected, and 598 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: he never apologizes for that. Jesus is in Gusemine, crying out, 599 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 3: begging his father for him not to be crucified. That's 600 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: a fear, a moment and we don't like. 601 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: To talk about that. 602 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: But Jesus was having emotion of fear because he had 603 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: a human body, so he was feeling all our feelings. 604 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 3: There's no record of him repenting ever for any of that. 605 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 3: He never reflected on it negatively, and we would have 606 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: been like, oh, I broke down. I broke down. But 607 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: Jesus never judged himself for that. I think that's so important. 608 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: But in every one of those moments we see shortly 609 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: after Jesus do something powerful. He's crying, and then he's 610 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 3: raising a man from the dead. He's flipping tables, and 611 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: then he performs healing miracles. He's crying and because Emine scared, 612 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 3: and then he comes out and faces the soldiers who 613 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 3: have come to kill him, and he identifies himself, I 614 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 3: am he and his voice is so powerful. The Bible 615 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: says the soldiers were knocked to the ground by his voice. 616 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 3: Five minutes ago he was crying to God for a break. 617 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 3: We have to stop believing that our emotional pain and 618 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 3: our spiritual power are mutually exclusive. 619 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: They're not. 620 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 3: They're not, and we feel like they are, like I'm 621 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: not in faith, I'm not powerful, I'm not if I'm 622 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 3: crying if I'm scared. We feel like that automatically cancels 623 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: out fate. It does not. Jesus's most powerful moments in 624 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: scripture followed his most painful emotional expressions every time, and 625 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: I don't think we've made that connection before. And so 626 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 3: whether you are a Jesus follower like me or not, 627 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: the stories matter. This link is important because somehow culturally 628 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 3: we've missed this. 629 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: Deeply. Well. 630 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: There came a point after Christianity was developed that we 631 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: so kind of like edified Christ as as a vehicle 632 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: of worship to him. But we don't always look at 633 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 2: the fact that Christ's teachings were made perfect because of 634 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: his mastery, because of his embodiments. I was living everything 635 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 2: that he was saying. And that is the piece that 636 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 2: I think really misses for so many people. You don't 637 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: just say them. You have to have the process of 638 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: being that which means the imperfect human experience, feeling all emotions, 639 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 2: not judging yourself, giving yourself access to those emotions, being 640 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 2: of service, you know. And it's just, yeah, oh. 641 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 3: We missed it. Christis looks away from us. Yeah, we've 642 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 3: bullship worshiped Christ, but we missed Jesus. Yeah, the human. 643 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Christ is a man is so breathtaking. Yeah, you 644 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: know the life of Yeshua as a being, as a 645 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: as a person on earth who still had this divine 646 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: connection to the Lord and the ability to radiate it 647 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 2: and express it. As you were talking, I was thinking 648 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 2: of Second Corinthians, which like saved my life. But when 649 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 2: you think about crying out over the weaknesses, when you 650 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: think about the thorn in your flesh, and let yourself 651 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 2: have the release of the cry, yes, because the cry 652 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 2: teaches you to surrender and then come back into the 653 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: faith exactly and understand the cycle of it. 654 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: Right. 655 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 2: But if we don't release the emotion, if we don't 656 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: give ourselves the opportunity to be vocal about our experience, 657 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 2: we bypass all of it. 658 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 3: Right, and it's in us still. Yeah, so we know 659 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: now our autonomic nervous system is the source of these 660 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 3: biological experiences and sensations that we label as emotion. So 661 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 3: when that sympathetic nervous system is running and your heart's 662 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 3: racing and your intestines are all tied up, it turns 663 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 3: off your tear ducts and you're in that fight flight 664 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 3: freeze moment. But there's another side of the autonomic nervous system, 665 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: the pairasympathetic nervous system, whose job it is to turn 666 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: off the fight flight free system and bring us back 667 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 3: back into a state of peace and equilibrium. That system 668 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 3: turns the tear ducts on, and so when we feel 669 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 3: the tears rising, the cry rising, that's actually our body 670 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: trying to bring us back to peace. But because we 671 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 3: say I don't want to cry, I don't want to 672 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 3: do that, we're actually resisting the repair system, and we're 673 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 3: asking our bodies to remain in a state of fight 674 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: or flight or freeze. And so when Jesus expressed he 675 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: was allowing the divinely designed biology that he was now 676 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: wrapped in. He would have known it well, he was 677 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 3: one of the creators of it to activate that parasympathetic 678 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 3: nervous system and bring his body back into a peace 679 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 3: that could walk out of Gsemine and face death with peace. 680 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 3: But if he had not cried, he would not have 681 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 3: been able to shift his own body. And so even 682 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 3: though we didn't have parasympathetic nervous system language back then, 683 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 3: he was doing the job. 684 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing that is so interesting to me, 685 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 2: is like we didn't have the language, but we did 686 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: have the system. Listen. You know, if you look back 687 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 2: to ayr Veda thousands three to five thousand years old, 688 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: the first science you know, yes, everything that is a 689 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 2: practice in most wisdom traditions from thousands of years ago 690 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 2: is about soothing your nervous system. It's about being with 691 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 2: your body and learning ways to be devotional with your 692 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 2: temple in support of the soul. 693 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: Its varied in the soil of our bodies all along. 694 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 2: As we are getting ready to close out this episode. 695 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 2: At the end of the episode, I love to do 696 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 2: what I call soul work with everyone listening, which is 697 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 2: take it into practice. You know, you heard this episode 698 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 2: and now how can you move through the week with 699 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 2: some of the learnings. So if you have any soul 700 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 2: work and maybe it's a practice from your book that 701 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: you would share with everyone listening, that they can kind 702 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: of really sink their teeth into this week. 703 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like people to touch their bodies this 704 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 3: week with love, with gentleness, and with a clear recognition 705 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 3: that your body is you. It's not a separate entity 706 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 3: that you're wrapped in. 707 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: It's you. 708 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: So I'd like your listeners to at least once a day, 709 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 3: sit still with their bodies, see what their bodies are feeling. 710 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 3: Help them be in touch with where they are emotionally. 711 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 3: And then just run your own hand across your body 712 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 3: and run it down your arm, run it down your leg, 713 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 3: wrap your arms around to yourself, and say some kind 714 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: words to your body. Your body is you, call it 715 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 3: by name. I'll say, Anita, you're saying, And run my 716 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 3: hand out, my own arm, hug my own body, and 717 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 3: talk to your body, knowing that it is you. People 718 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 3: will be amazed how that shifts where you are emotionally. 719 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 3: And remember you are fearfully and wonderfully made, and everything 720 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 3: you need to heal, the raw material of that work 721 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 3: is within you. Connect with that this week and if 722 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 3: that brings something out in words for your mind, write 723 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 3: them down. But don't skip the touch, don't skip the 724 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 3: physical connection. 725 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, Thank you so much, thanks for having me. 726 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, Doctor Anita Phillips. New book available. Do the 727 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 2: pre orders buy it? 728 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 3: Yes, please? 729 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: And the title again is the Garden Within, where the 730 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 2: war with your emotions ends and your most powerful life begins. 731 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: How can everyone stay in touch with you? I am 732 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 2: on all the socials well. I won't say I'm on 733 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: all the socials. 734 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 3: I show up a lot on Instagram and Facebook at 735 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 3: doctor Anita Phillips Dr Anita Phillips and also my website 736 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: Anita Phillips dot com. They can find me there as well. 737 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 2: Amazing the Garden within go get that. Thank you so much, 738 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: it has been such a pleasure talking to you. 739 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 3: Same. 740 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. 741 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 2: Catch next week, No mistays, days Days. Connect with me 742 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 2: on social at Debbie Brown. 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