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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have Bristol? Indeed we do. We got

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Speaker 1: some COVID updates for you. An insane situation where a

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Speaker 1: not vaccinated. We'll tell you the details there. Also, the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education is looking into whether civil rights are

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Speaker 1: being violated in these states that have banned schools from

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Speaker 1: having mass mandates. We've got more numbers for you that

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Speaker 1: are just brutal regarding the eviction wratoring the ending of that,

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Speaker 1: certainly the biggest story today, which is that our war

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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan is officially over. Yeah. This is really it's

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Speaker 1: I've seen much of the pushback is not actually over, etc.

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Speaker 1: But it is. The last American troops left Afghanistan Yesterday's

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Speaker 1: that that is a good thing. And the stunning way

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Speaker 1: did feel surreal when General Mackenzie announced it yesterday. Let's

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Speaker 1: announce the completion of our withdrawal from Afghanistan, in the

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Speaker 1: end of the military mission to evacuate American citizens, third

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Speaker 1: country nationals, and vulnerable Afghans. The last C seventeen lifted

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Speaker 1: off from Hamid Karzai International Airport on August thirtieth this

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Speaker 1: afternoon at three twenty nine pm East Coast time, and

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Speaker 1: the last manned aircraft is now clearing the airspace above Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: de partying Afghanistan with Major General Chris Donahue and the

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Speaker 1: evacuation is complete, the diplomatic mission to ensure additional US

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Speaker 1: Department shortly. So for all of the chaos, Crystal at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, it said the Secretary Blincoln

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Speaker 1: Press Secretary of Jensaki was pressed specifically on this point.

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Speaker 1: And you know, regarding that drone strike, there have been

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Speaker 1: and I did not get COVID. That's correct, No, any

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Speaker 1: of my family did. Vaccine worked, guys, there you go.

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Speaker 1: So you know, who knows if you would if you

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Speaker 1: would have gotten it or not. So on the societal

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00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: wide level, it reduces transmission, which makes it so that

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Speaker 1: people who are old and elderly who are maybe not

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Speaker 1: be vaccinated, they themselves could be you know, very very

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Speaker 1: very much facing death or hospitalization. And we also know

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Speaker 1: that in elderly folks especially. It reduces hospitalization and death

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Speaker 1: to almost zero. That is exactly what we want. We

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Speaker 1: want to try and turn this thing into both something

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Speaker 1: that's less transmissible, and if you do get it, like

443
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: for me, you're not going to feel good for very

444
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Speaker 1: few days. But here I am and I'm feeling fine.

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Speaker 1: That is the most important thing that we try to do.

446
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: But we cannot reduce this to state mandates, especially through

447
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Speaker 1: the court system. Whenever it comes and then interacts with

448
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system, that's even worse. Well, and this

449
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: isn't just messing with look it was, it's one level

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Speaker 1: which I also don't support. When you're making a condition

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Speaker 1: of probation, making condition of bail and these sorts, that's

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Speaker 1: just impacting you. Exactly. What gets me here is that

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Speaker 1: the person who was harmed the most in all of

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Speaker 1: this is her kid. I mean, this is heartbreaking. She

455
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Speaker 1: talks about how you know, she's sending him care packages.

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Speaker 1: He's been crying. He's of course he's upset. He's upset,

457
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Speaker 1: and this was supposed to just be a normal sort

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Speaker 1: of hearing that a lot of people who are divorced,

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Speaker 1: who've been through and you have kids it's been there's

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Speaker 1: a question over child support. It was just supposed to

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Speaker 1: be about that, and then out of the gates he

462
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Speaker 1: hits her with are you vaccinated? And takes away the kid.

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Speaker 1: This is so insane, And the reason we want to

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Speaker 1: call attention to it is because this is the first

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Speaker 1: instance we know of where this has occurred. But given

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Speaker 1: the level of support that this found in some corners

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Speaker 1: of the internet at least, and among you know, rural

468
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: brain worms types, it would not be shocking to see

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Speaker 1: this start to be a pattern across the country. And

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Speaker 1: we cannot I mean, that's just that's a horrific, horrific

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Speaker 1: direction to go in. It fits in with, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: the same attitude of you shouldn't get healthcare if you're unvaccinate,

473
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Speaker 1: You should be denied healthcare if you're unvaccinated. This is bananas,

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Speaker 1: it's psychopathic, and you're not only harming the people who

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Speaker 1: themselves who are not vaccine, you're also harming the people

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Speaker 1: around them in this instance, specifically their children. Also makes

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Speaker 1: me think of, you know, the conversation around schooling and

478
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Speaker 1: shutting down schools and putting restrictions in place, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and especially last year, The only factor that was weighed

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Speaker 1: what in terms of children's well being was risk of coronavirus. Right.

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Speaker 1: There was no sort of weight given to the burden.

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Speaker 1: And the challenge is for kids who you know don't

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Speaker 1: have that support at home, their parents are busy working,

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Speaker 1: they may not have internet access. And you had millions

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Speaker 1: of kids who just literally dropped down the school. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about high school kids. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: kindergarteners who never were showed up for kindergarten that we're

488
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Speaker 1: supposed to be there. What was the cost of that?

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Speaker 1: There was no emphasis on the cost of mental health

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Speaker 1: for kids who you know, need that social structure where

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Speaker 1: maybe school is like the most stable thing in their lives.

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Speaker 1: This is where they can go. For a lot of children, Yeah, school,

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Speaker 1: you know where you can go and know that you're

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Speaker 1: going to get two meals, where you know you're going

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Speaker 1: to have this structure where you have people who are

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Speaker 1: keeping an eye on you, making sure that things are

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Speaker 1: going okay for you in your life. Like all of

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Speaker 1: that safety net and support that we've built up as

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Speaker 1: a society, which is wildly imperfect, but it is better

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Speaker 1: than nothing that was just taken away without a lot

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00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: of analysis of what the costs of that were going

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Speaker 1: to be. And I've said this before. Look in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: when we didn't know how dangerous this was for kids,

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Speaker 1: it was understandable. It was really understandable. As a parent.

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Speaker 1: It was this decision that I wanted my public school

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Speaker 1: system to make. I was ready to pull my kids down.

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Speaker 1: I actually pulled my kids down in public school the

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Speaker 1: day before they decided to close the schools because we

509
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: just didn't know at that point. Now we know, thank god,

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Speaker 1: the risk to children is very very low, especially kids

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Speaker 1: who don't have any other comorbidities, don't have commune systems

512
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Speaker 1: that are compromised. The risk is extraordinarily low. That is

513
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: great news that needs to be taken into account, and

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Speaker 1: these other costs and factors need to also be weighed.

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Speaker 1: So in this one instance of the kid being taken

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Speaker 1: from the mom over the vaccination status, I see that

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Speaker 1: same sort of thinking where there's this assumption that the

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Speaker 1: only thing that goes into a child's wellbeing is whether

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Speaker 1: or not they have any coronavirus exposure whatsoever. And that's

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Speaker 1: just an insane way to look at things. I completely agree. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean flu is actually you know dangerous. Those chicken

522
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: pox there's a lot of these stuff that Actually, right,

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Speaker 1: kid in my class when I was like five years old,

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Speaker 1: died from chicken pox. But and it was horrible. I

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00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: still remember him. Wow, all of it. There was some

526
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: other like as usual, there was some other stuff going on,

527
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: had pneumonia at the same time. Healthcare system, that's a

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00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: whole You're gonna take kids away from their parents because

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Speaker 1: mom doesn't get the flu shot. Yeah, I mean right,

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Speaker 1: that's actually I mean in terms of the deadliness, in

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Speaker 1: terms of in terms of transmission and more. They're the

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00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: same argument could be made around that. And as society,

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Speaker 1: I think we should recognize that that is complete. We

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: should completely reject that thinking. And just to give you

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Speaker 1: an idea, even Australia is beginning to back off a

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00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: little bit in terms of their zero COVID policy. Let's

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00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. Somebody's got to

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Speaker 1: come to their senses. They say they're going to end

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Speaker 1: their COVID zero policy. Quote, it's not a sustainable way

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Speaker 1: to live. Heard from some angry Australians last time supported

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00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: their lockdown. Look in one way, I do get it.

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00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: Only twenty seven percent of Australians have been fully vaccinated,

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00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the pop there just seems a lot

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Speaker 1: more compliant and willing to live with these restrictions. That

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Speaker 1: being said, I think that this pushed a lot of

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Speaker 1: people over the edge and they said, no, that's not

547
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Speaker 1: it now in terms of the weather, the actual restrictions

548
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: and all that will go down. I do think it

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00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: is interesting though that they have to come out and say, okay, fine, guys,

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Speaker 1: like we're not going to try and do zero COVID

551
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: and that's how it should be, and just to stick

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Speaker 1: with this. You know, I saw it one of the

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Speaker 1: most insane things yesterday from a teachers union representative. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there, the UTLA president, Cecilia my Ark Cruz.

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Speaker 1: She was saying that learning loss is a myth. Quote.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, our babies may not have learned all their

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Speaker 1: times tables. They know the difference between a riot and

558
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Speaker 1: a protest, and they know the words insurrection and coup. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: even if you agree with this lady's politics, and if

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Speaker 1: you are a supporter of unions, which I am a

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Speaker 1: supporter of union, yeah, you cannot look at this and

562
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Speaker 1: say it is okay for children not to know their multiplications, timetables.

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Speaker 1: We need to stop, as you said, Crystal, minimizing what

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Speaker 1: it really means to have a loss of institutionalized schooling

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Speaker 1: for well over a year. Yeah, this is insanity. And

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Speaker 1: you know, look, and I'm not trying to go after

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Speaker 1: the teachers, unions or whatever here, although I think some

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Speaker 1: of them have been very bad actors. More, what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is is that this kind of thinking is pervading

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in elite circles who have immense

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Speaker 1: responsibility to actually make sure that children are okay. More

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00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: and more, I'm convinced we're creating some sort of lost

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Speaker 1: generation where it's like, what is going to happen? I

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00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: was reading yesterday Amherst, which requires vaccination, still has their

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Speaker 1: dining hall closed with total mask mandates. I'm like, this

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00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: is crazy, and you can shout at me all you want. Oh,

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00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, communal dining is so important. Actually yeah, I

578
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: think so, you know, in terms of social development and more.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what the societal externalities are going

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00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: to be years from now because of what we did.

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Speaker 1: But I know that nothing comes, you know, nothing comes

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Speaker 1: for free. That there's always a cost when it comes

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Speaker 1: to these Yeah, no, that's that's exactly right. I mean

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Speaker 1: I have seen a number of takes that were like, well,

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Speaker 1: actually school's not that important. It's like what it And listen,

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00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: there is a bigger conversation to be had in this

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Speaker 1: country about schooling, about the way we go about it,

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Speaker 1: about whether kids are really getting what they need, especially

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Speaker 1: in the modern economy, to prepare them for success, or

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00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: whether they're just being you know, created like a sheep

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00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: mentality created in our children. And I am up for

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00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: that whole conversation, but just to casually be like, actually, school, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't really need it, is that's pretty radical, pretty

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00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: radical place of sick we need school? Like now you're

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00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: one of those anarcho libertarians who's going to do what

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00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: does that thing called like unschooling where you don't actually

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00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: teach your kids and you just let them live. Yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll have that conversation the other day because I may

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00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: have some relatives some hot takes on that, but we

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Speaker 1: won't get into that right now. The bottom line is, listen,

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Speaker 1: the way our society is set up is school in

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: some instances babysitting for people do they add their live

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00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: structure being able to send their kids. Yes, yes we do,

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00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Yes we do. Kids being at school, allow parents to

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Speaker 1: live their lives, allow them to work, allow them to

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Speaker 1: provide for the family, so that when the kids are

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Speaker 1: at home, they can be with them and have time

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Speaker 1: and resources to be able to spend with them and

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Speaker 1: nourish them and help them grow. That is the way

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Speaker 1: our society is structured. Also, that stability that is provided

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Speaker 1: in that routine of going there every day, the social

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Speaker 1: development being with your friends. All of these things, even

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Speaker 1: if you think that the education part of it is

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Speaker 1: not that important, which I would definitely dispute, all of

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00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: those things are really really important, especially for kids who

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Speaker 1: come from backgrounds that are a bit more challenged. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: going forward, as I am praying that my own school

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Speaker 1: district stays open in spite of the fact that they've

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Speaker 1: already had a few coronavirus cases crop up, I hope

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Speaker 1: that we will continue to weigh the cost of closing

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Speaker 1: these schools down as much as we weigh the risks

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Speaker 1: of infection from coronavirus. Because some of this calculus has

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Speaker 1: that kind of brings us to our next segment here

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Speaker 1: around masks and the federal government actually launching a new investigation.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen from the

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Speaker 1: Associated Press. So, the Education Department has opened a civil

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Speaker 1: rights investigation against five Republican led states that bar mask

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Speaker 1: mandates for school. So those states are Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and Utah. Each one of those states have issued some

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Speaker 1: different type of prohibition on mask requirements, and the Office

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00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: of Civil Rights within the Department of Education is claiming

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Speaker 1: this could prevent some children from safely attending school. The

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Speaker 1: Education Secretary, Miguel Cardona accused the states of quote putting

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Speaker 1: politics over the help and education of students, that they

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00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: took an oath to serve this. I don't know, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: it gets to what we were just talking about. Previously

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Speaker 1: around children, around the importance of schooling, around the fact

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Speaker 1: that we know, based upon studies out of Europe where

646
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Speaker 1: they don't have some similar masking requirements, that that we

647
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: don't see in overall difference in infection amongst children, and

648
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: again considering the risk profile towards children and more around

649
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: this particular disease. I just think this is completely ridiculous.

650
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: We pointed towards that CDC study which required or they

651
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: point to towards masking in schools in which they didn't

652
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: actually have sufficient control experiments around what alternatives like they

653
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: do in other countries, would look like, different filtration systems,

654
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: social distancing, keeping the windows open, all kinds of different

655
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Speaker 1: things that you can do within schools in order to

656
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Speaker 1: try and prevent transmission. And the fact that when you

657
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Speaker 1: do that, you don't see we're all, you know, change

658
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: in transmission. And so opening up the Office of Civil

659
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Speaker 1: Rights Investigation and then you know, trying to sue these

660
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Speaker 1: people in court and saying that there's some sort of

661
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Speaker 1: constitutional federal mandate on wearing masks and schools. I'm just

662
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Speaker 1: very months against that. And one thing I've learned from

663
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Speaker 1: this whole critical race theory debate is that actually localism

664
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Is actually that's what they're taking

665
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: away with the banning mask mandates. They're taking away the locals.

666
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Speaker 1: I mean, I I have a review on that because

667
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: good point. First of all, let me so, the science

668
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: on masking in schools, you're right, is unsettled, and the

669
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Speaker 1: fact that we don't know the answer of whether masking

670
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: kids in schools helps it all at this point in

671
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: the pandemic is insane. I don't know why there has

672
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: been more curiosity about that. I don't know why there's

673
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: been not been more research into it. There was one

674
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Speaker 1: comprehensive study of like eighty thousand kids or something in

675
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Speaker 1: Georgia that isolated these different variables. Okay, what are the

676
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: different they? Are they social distancing, do they have ventilation systems?

677
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: Are kids masking? It was the only study where they

678
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: actually tried to isolate whether or not kids were masking

679
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: as one variable, and that one study found that there

680
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: was not a lot of impact. Okay, that doesn't mean

681
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: masks don't work. It means that when you have kids

682
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and the mask is fallen down and it's all day

683
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: and they're in classroom together, and they may be wearing

684
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: cloth masks, or the mask may not fit that well

685
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: when you have real world conditions. They may not be

686
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Speaker 1: as effective in kids as they are in adults. However,

687
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: I am going to stand up for the conservative principle

688
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: of localism in this case. It's insane these states that

689
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: have banned local school districts from doing the things that

690
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: they and their community think are going to be able

691
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: to keep their kids safe. So look, at this point,

692
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: this is an investigation. No one is getting sued yet,

693
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: although already some of these mask mandate bands are being

694
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: challenged in court and places like Florida or elsewhere. But

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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with looking into this as

696
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Speaker 1: a potential civil rights violation because listen, if you have

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Speaker 1: a school where you have a number of kids who

698
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: am compromise, If I was a mom and my kidd

699
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: had issues like that immune system compromise, yeah, I would

700
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: want for extra safety sake the kids around them to

701
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: be masked. So in this instance, again, I think because

702
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the science has been so unsettled, because we still have

703
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: so few answers about what is actually going to keep

704
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: kids the safest. And yes, the risk is relatively low,

705
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: and thank God for that, but I think the best

706
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: answer is to leave it up to these local school districts.

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Speaker 1: And either I would completely oppose a national mandate that

708
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Speaker 1: everybody wear masks, and I completely oppose these mandates mandates

709
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: that say you can't take those precautions to keep kids

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Speaker 1: safe in their schools. It's a very tricky one because

711
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Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't see any investigation of

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Speaker 1: California and New York and Louisiana, which have requirements of

713
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: mass man dates to schools, right, so like the statewide

714
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: mandates that you have to do it in opposed to

715
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Speaker 1: taking away the local ability in order to take away

716
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Speaker 1: the mass mandate as well, that's the real thing. Put

717
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Speaker 1: it rich by requiring it. I mean, but you're you

718
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: are right that there we just talked about cost, our

719
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Speaker 1: cost of having kids having to wear masks all day,

720
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Speaker 1: but they're they're not being put at the same health

721
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: risk like direct health, right, I'm saying in this banning

722
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: back pattern. But you know, if we you know what

723
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: we just talked about in terms of the societal cost,

724
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Speaker 1: in terms of developmental there's already actually a lot of

725
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: dispute right now around developmental problems. Whenever you wear masks

726
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: within a school, and that's why I just think this

727
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: one is very tricky. I do see all the institutionalized

728
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: power coming against the places that have banned it and

729
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: not in the places that have enforced it. What you know,

730
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Speaker 1: the American Civil Liberties Union already filing federal lawsuit over

731
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Speaker 1: state's policy of forbidding mass mandates in the state of

732
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Speaker 1: South Carolina, and I have the federal government coming in there.

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Speaker 1: So look, I agree, you know, and if we lived

734
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Speaker 1: in a perfect world, But now whenever it comes to

735
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Speaker 1: the implementation and the battles on it, I do think

736
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Speaker 1: it becomes tricky in terms of I don't see you know, California,

737
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Speaker 1: that's millions of so they actually reversed and they aren't

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Speaker 1: requiring local school districts. They're letting them make their own decisions.

739
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Speaker 1: And I think across the board that is the right approach.

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Speaker 1: So the best thing you can do is leave it

741
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Speaker 1: up to local communities. Is your local school boarding to

742
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: be perfect? Is it going to be perfectly representative? No,

743
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Speaker 1: But at least those are the people that are most

744
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: in touch with the sort of risk profile of what's

745
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: appropriate to that community. Because I think that's the other thing,

746
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: and I saw there's actually a good New York Times

747
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: piece about this recently. Is part of all these fights

748
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: over masking mandates and different COVID restrictions and all of

749
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: this is we don't have an agreement as a society

750
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Speaker 1: about what our actual goal is. Yes, And you know

751
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: when you look, even when you look internationally, like Australia

752
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: has decided as a nation, even as they walk back

753
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: from the zero COVID policy, they're more comfortable with more

754
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: restrictions than we are as a country. Israel's taking a

755
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: different approach. Other countries have different ways of doing that

756
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: because they have a sort of different risk profile, different

757
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: goals in mind. And so I really think the best

758
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: approach here is to let communities kind of decide for

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00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: themselves what's appropriate for themselves, their kids, their community, what

760
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: their goals are with regard to COVID, and go from there.

761
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Speaker 1: So state rules mandating mass in all schools don't support

762
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: state rules banning masks in schools, I also think are

763
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: completely insane. I'm going to stand up very strongly for

764
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: that principle of localism, conservative principle of localism that people

765
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: in their local community should be able to decide. Yeah, no,

766
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know that about California, and I do

767
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: think that that is they probably did it based upon

768
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: pushback from the local level, so that is conservative areas

769
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Speaker 1: of California. Any people forget it, as we're going to

770
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: see in the recall, got my eyes peeled. I think

771
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: gatl is going to be okay, I just I don't

772
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Speaker 1: know here he's going down. You think he's going down?

773
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: All right. We've got another really undercovered and incredibly significant

774
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: story here. We brought you yesterday the news that Supreme

775
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Court did, in fact, as expected, strike down Joe Biden's

776
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: eviction oratorium, the new one. Now we have new numbers

777
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: about exactly how many people are likely to be at risk. Here,

778
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: we can throw this up on the screen. This is

779
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Speaker 1: according to Goldman Sachs. They say seven hundred and fifty

780
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: thousand households could face essentially immediate eviction because of the

781
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: moratory being struck down. That's in less congress acts or

782
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: rental assistance funds are distributed faster. And when they say faster,

783
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: it's like it needs to be immediate, and it needs

784
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: to be at a radically higher rate than what we've

785
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: seen before. Next piece of information we have where you

786
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: hear is from the Washington Post. This is something that

787
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: Jeff Stein tweeted out regarding the numbers of people who

788
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: are already facing eviction and also how much of that

789
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: rental assistance has gone out. So less than eleven percent

790
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: of the forty six point five billion dollar emergency rental

791
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: assistance program first approved by Congress and then President Donald

792
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Trump in December, less than eleven percent of that money

793
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: has gone out. We talked about here how too, even

794
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: after Biden does the eviction moratorium, the new one, and

795
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: it's basically like, look, this is effectively a stalling tactic

796
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: so that more of this money can get out the door.

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00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: States and localities did not do any better in July

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Speaker 1: than they did in June. They did not ramp up

799
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: the relief funding for tenants and landlords whatsoever. So people

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00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: are completely screwed. Washington Post says in the Atlanta area,

801
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm reading from their story now, thousands of eviction filings

802
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: have already piled up in court ready to be processed.

803
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: In New York, which has been terrible, terrible about getting

804
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: rental relief funds out, renters are waiting months for rental

805
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: assistants to arrive and running out of time. In North Dakota,

806
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a legal aid nonprofit has ten attorneys to cover seventy

807
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: thousand square miles, and evictiondents are already far outpacing a

808
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: lawyer's ability to help. One more problem to layer on

809
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Speaker 1: top of all of this is that rents have gone

810
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: up significantly, So in June, the average rent for an

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Speaker 1: apartment in America's one hundred and fifty biggest metro areas

812
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: hit one thy five hundred and thirteen. That is the

813
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Speaker 1: highest ever recorded and an increase of six point three

814
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Speaker 1: percent compared to the same time last year. So people

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Speaker 1: who weren't able to afford the homes they were living

816
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: in and are evicted are only going to find even

817
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: more expensive properties they are even more unable to afford

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Speaker 1: going forward. It's a catastrophe. Congress is completely asleep on this.

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Speaker 1: They've done, they haven't even tried. And look, I know

820
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: they want to say all the Republicans are going to

821
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: be around, the Republicans probably will be a problem, but

822
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Speaker 1: you haven't even tried. So this is an absolutely disastrous

823
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Speaker 1: and unconscionable situation that people are facing now. I think

824
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Speaker 1: one of the things that struck me in this Axiss

825
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: report was that, look, you can actually prevent a late

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one spike in evictions, not through any new

827
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: legislation whatsoever, just through distributing the funds. You get the

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Speaker 1: money out. Just getting the money out on the books.

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Speaker 1: That does solve all problems actually, which is that the

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00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: people who are behind on the rent and who were

831
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: promised rent money will get that. The landlord, well who's

832
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: behind and paying whoever they owe money to, will also

833
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: pay back. It doesn't distort the rental market nearly as much.

834
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Speaker 1: And I think this is just a failure of public

835
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: policy all around, which is that it was a problem

836
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Speaker 1: that we recognize that we uh specifically distributed funds towards

837
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: and then completely failed to do that, and you started

838
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: pitting people against each other. That's the part that really

839
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: makes me the most upset here, because you really just

840
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 1: see how if you take the rugout from under, then yeah,

841
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: people are gonna start fighting. And then you know, the

842
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: eviction groups versus the landlord groups. And I get it,

843
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not standing for landlords or anything, but there

844
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who you know, work in

845
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that or work as managers, superintendents or whatever. This is jobs,

846
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and it's a huge industry as well. And the last

847
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: thing I want to see is black Rock go in

848
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: and gobble up all these properties. So I just think

849
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: that all we had to do was just do the

850
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Speaker 1: and execute the law that we passed. We didn't do that,

851
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: and now a lot of people are facing the brink

852
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: and I have no confidence whatsoever that these funds are

853
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: going to go out. That's the worst part actually, which

854
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: is that you know, you can attach writers and things

855
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: to bills to make it so that Congress is required

856
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: or so that the agencies are required to disburse these

857
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: funds by x amount of date. No discussion here, right like,

858
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: and again this is just the money, like the money

859
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Speaker 1: that already exists. The Treasury Department can call it these

860
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Speaker 1: states and be like, what the hell are you doing?

861
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: There are a lot of different ways in ways to

862
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Speaker 1: incentivize states in order to implement the programs properly. Actually,

863
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a couple of people reach out to me who were

864
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Speaker 1: who had tried as landlords and both as tenants to

865
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Speaker 1: try and apply for some of this, and they were

866
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: all completely screwed in the whole system so what are

867
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Speaker 1: you supposed to do? I can't. I feel so much

868
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: of those people. It's a total failure of government, it

869
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: absolutely is. And you know, in fairness, the Treasury Department

870
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: put out all kinds of guidance to say, look, if

871
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: you guys are worried about red tape, if you're worried

872
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: about US auditing you like, don't worry about it, just

873
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: get the money out. And they've been trying to issue

874
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: guidelines to help these states and localities to get the

875
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Speaker 1: funds out. Obviously, the program was catastrophically designed from the beginning.

876
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Speaker 1: It is not an easy thing to set up an

877
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Speaker 1: entire bureaucracy if you're a town, if you're a city,

878
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: if you're a state, in order to get these money dispersed.

879
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: But at this point, what the hell is the problem?

880
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Speaker 1: I mean, New York had even my recollection is in

881
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: a New York state, The entire state had not dispersed

882
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: a single dollar as of the beginning of June, Like,

883
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: what are you doing? The number of people who are

884
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: at risk just in that state alone. So it's a

885
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: completely insane situation. It's a horrible situation. They're going to

886
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: be huge costs and run on effects for years to

887
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: come for these family and their kids. And I don't know,

888
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, DC only cared about it for a hot

889
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: second when it was in the news. Now that the

890
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: news media has moved on to you know, calling out

891
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: Biden for not continuing wars forever, and there's very little

892
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: interest in this story. There's they feel a little pressure

893
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: to do anything, even though when they go back home

894
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: they're going to see the impact of you know, people

895
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: out maybe they won't. Maybe they'll be in their gated

896
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: communities and they won't see a thing, so it doesn't

897
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: really affect them. That's a real problem. I guess that's

898
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot more likely in terms of what's going to happen. Yeah, Well,

899
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: who they'll hear from is their Blackrock friends who are

900
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Speaker 1: buying up these properties and distress and making more money

901
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: on it. So I guess that's part of it. They'll

902
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: be at a fundraiser in New York, even though they're

903
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: a congressman from Tennessee, and then hear from the CEO

904
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: of Blackrock, go back to their office and be like,

905
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, a constituent was telling me, And in a

906
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 1: way they are the real constituents. Indeed, we have somewhat

907
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: less important story, but when we still wanted to bring

908
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: to you the film personally, much to my chagrin, many

909
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: millions of people watch The View every single day. I

910
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: don't know who these people are, but it's an important

911
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: source of information to those and so we got to

912
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: cover these developments in the media industry. That's what we

913
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: try and do here. So Megan McCain has announced that

914
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: she's departing The View spend more time with her child.

915
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: God bless her her and her husband, and I hope

916
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: that they find great happiness. It probably will be when

917
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: you don't have to be on TV arguing with Whoopee

918
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: and Joy Bayhart every single day, Probably much better quality

919
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: of life, yes that is true. To replace her, the

920
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: View is now floating a few new names for the

921
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: Conservative guests, and I could not have put together a

922
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: more ridiculous list than what we have here. So let's

923
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. Rotating Conservative co

924
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: hosts will include Condoleeza Rights, me A Love, Carly Fiorina,

925
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: Alyssa Farah. Let's keep going, but the next one up there,

926
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: Si cup Ebony Williams, Mary Catherine Ham, Cameron Ewbegs, and

927
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Speaker 1: Gretchen carl Sich. So there's a lot to say there

928
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: about Gretchen Carlson, but my personal favorite is Condoleeza Rice.

929
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: Is that in the middle of Afghanistan, in the middle

930
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Speaker 1: of watching the Twenty Year Project fall apart of the

931
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Forever War, liars of the people who held water for

932
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: the establishment and push us to this horrific situation, she

933
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: is gonna get rewarded with a seat on the view.

934
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Speaker 1: There's also just a general more like discussion to be

935
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: had here around Look, and you guys know my own

936
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: position here, but in terms of if you're gonna have

937
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: a conservative voice on that show, who's supposed to articulate

938
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: the right, like should you probably not have somebody on

939
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: there who actually is a little bit more in line

940
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Speaker 1: with the Republican base, like a Lisa Rice, be a

941
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: Love and Carly Fiorina. As far as I know all,

942
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: every single one of them were completely against Trump. And

943
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is like a stand for Trump

944
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm just saying like, if you're gonna have

945
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: a show which is supposed to appeal to the vast

946
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: millions or whatever, you should probably least try and represent

947
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: that perspective. As far as I know, it generally stands

948
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: for the rest of the commentators that they picked for

949
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: the seat. So all I can say is there's a

950
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: lot of cringe a waiting for you in the twenty

951
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: fifth season of The View. I'm sure our friend Tim

952
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Dillon will have some great Yeah, there is. Actually is

953
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: kind of interesting because one of the things in liberal media,

954
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: there's like a very narrow band that you're allowed to

955
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: occupy as a conservative and still be allowed to I

956
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: hate Trump and I agree with Joe Biden, but I'm

957
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: but I I'm yeah, fiscally conservative. I mean maybe there's

958
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these like fiscally conservative but socially liberal types,

959
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: which is Terrible's fine, it's not really fine. You can

960
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: be that if you want. You don't represent very much

961
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: of the country. Yeah, that's that's the thing is. That's

962
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: why it's not fine, is that this is a very

963
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: small slice of America that is disproportionately overrepresented constantly in

964
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: the media. And it's not just with the Conservs, like

965
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: that's that's what they consider to be bipartisan. Is like, uh,

966
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, Claire mccaskell having a conversation with Joe Scarborough

967
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: or something like that, like that's the definition of bipartisan

968
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: that they want. I do want to say as a

969
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: personal note and disclaimer here, I were Essay and I

970
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: were a co hosts at the cycle back at MSNBC.

971
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: She is a dear friend. I love her to pieces.

972
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: She is excluded from this entire conversation about how cringe

973
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: the list is. You can think of that what you will,

974
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: but that's my own personal disclaimer here. You know, one

975
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: thing you have to say about Megan, And I know

976
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: people feel a lot of ways about Megan. She has

977
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: a great villain like she played the part and the

978
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: role very well right, And some of her takes I

979
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: mean on Afghanistan ooh terrible, right, I mean definitely channeling

980
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: her dad and his neo kon views on all of that.

981
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: But just in terms of sort of like television and

982
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: making it spicy and dramatic, which is what seems to

983
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: work for the view and seems to be what people

984
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: tune in for. I don't know, she was very good

985
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: at that. That's the other thing that I find interesting

986
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: about this list is some of these people are not like,

987
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: they're not tough. Kandi Rice is not just even taking

988
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: her terrible policy on which she's not a television person.

989
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: So there's all this always this assumption that you can

990
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: just take any prominent person person and stick them in

991
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: an anchor chair and they're going to be able to

992
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: do the thing and make it entertaining. And so I think,

993
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: not only will her views be terrible and is it

994
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: awful that, like you know, someone who justified war criminals

995
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: is being elevated to this platform, but I also just

996
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: think that it's not going to be TV. Yeah. I

997
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: basically completely agree with you. And look, I don't know

998
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: that much about the rest of the list except for

999
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: Conrad like Area, Yeah, Carl Fiorina. I mean she did

1000
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: have that one moment, I guess in the debate of

1001
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: whatever comes to this more. I just can't get over

1002
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: at Condoley's a rise, And that's the major reason that

1003
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I was like, we got to cover this. This is

1004
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: the most cringe thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

1005
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: Like you said, both bad policy and bad TV. It's

1006
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: just it's a sort of embarrassing that they couldn't just

1007
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: pick one person. Yeah, I know, that's a good point.

1008
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean it, look, they're all a lot you can

1009
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: go on Fox or whatever your daily wire, et cetera.

1010
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: There are many women conservatives out there who I think

1011
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: could probably do the job just as well as Megan McCain.

1012
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it just shows you that

1013
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: they want to try and have it both ways and

1014
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: that's just not going to happen. Yeah, okay, So let

1015
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: me put you on the spot. If you had to

1016
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: pick one of these people that you think would do

1017
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: the best job in the chair, who do you think

1018
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: would be the best? Mary Catherine Ham. She generally does

1019
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: a decent job on CNS. She's interested. Yeah, sometimes her

1020
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: takes are are actually interesting. Yeah, I think that's a

1021
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: good I think that's pretty good if on the list.

1022
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: That's why I would pick in order to do it.

1023
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see. Wow, you guys must really

1024
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: like listening to our voices. While I know this is annoying,

1025
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial when

1026
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: you're done, check out the other podcast I do with

1027
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: Marshall Kasloff called The Realignment. We talk a lot about

1028
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: the deeper issues that are changing, realigning in American society.

1029
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: You always need more Crystal and Zag in your daily lives.

1030
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: Take care guys, All right, Crystal, what are you taking

1031
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: a look at? Well, there is something major bubbling at

1032
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: MSNBC right now. So just a few weeks back, rumors

1033
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: started to emerge that their biggest star, Rachel Maddow, was

1034
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: considering moving on. The nation's pre eminent russiagator, was reportedly

1035
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: ready for a little change of pace. Insiders told The

1036
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: Daily Beasts that the grind of a nightly show for

1037
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: more than a decade had worn her down, and that

1038
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: she was considering making the move to independent media, maybe

1039
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: something like podcasting. In a sign that she actually meant business,

1040
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: she even switched from her longtime agent to ari Emanual

1041
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: Now the room were credible, but you never really know

1042
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: whether these people are serious about leaving or just using

1043
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: leaks and rumors as a negotiating tactic. Looks here like

1044
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: she actually meant it. Because while MSNBC did manage to

1045
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: sign a new contract with Mattow, it came at a

1046
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: hefty price and with huge changes to her role at

1047
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: the network. So here are the details as we know them.

1048
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: Matta's new contract will net her thirty million dollars every

1049
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: year to stand at MSNBC through the twenty twenty four election,

1050
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: a scintillating affair likely to pit Joe Biden's corpse against

1051
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's lunatic culture war ratings. But I digress. That

1052
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: new contract also means the end of the Rachel Maddow

1053
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Show as it exists today. The show is going to

1054
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: run through the spring of twenty twenty two. That's less

1055
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: than a year from now. At that point, Matta will

1056
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: move to an intermittent presence with the program that airs weekly,

1057
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe only thirty times a year. That is a whole

1058
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: lot less Matow and a major problem for that cable

1059
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: news network. Now, some of the detail, honestly are a

1060
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: little bit sketchy because MSNBC is being very cagy here.

1061
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: As Eric Wemple points out over the Washington Post, Normally

1062
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: a big contract deal like this that would gardner a big,

1063
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: splashy press release, But so far the PR team has

1064
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: said nothing. In fact, network executives have refused to comment

1065
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: on the record or even confirm this contract and the

1066
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: new terms at all. Put it all together, and you

1067
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: get a picture of a desperate network willing to give

1068
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: Mattow anything she wants just to keep a tiny scrap

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Speaker 1: of her presence It's kind of pathetic when you think

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Speaker 1: about it. The end of the Matta Show represents a

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Speaker 1: tectonic shift in cable news media and a possibly devastating

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Speaker 1: blow for MSNBC. Even as ratings have cratered it that

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Speaker 1: network across the board, people still show up for Matdow's

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Speaker 1: Trump Russia Conspiracy Hour, I mean substance aside. You gotta

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Speaker 1: hand it to her. She is one of a very

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Speaker 1: very few cable news hosts that anyone actually gives a

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Speaker 1: shit about. In fact, I would posit that the list

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Speaker 1: is basically two people long, Rachel Maddow and Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: Is no accident that both are masters playing into the

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Speaker 1: most fevered conspiracies and bassist instincts of their respective audiences.

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Speaker 1: Just take a look though at MSNBC's ratings from a

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00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: recent weekday so here you can see it on the screen.

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00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: MSNBC viewership jumps up almost one hundred thousand from one

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Speaker 1: eighty nine to two eighty when Rachel comes on, and

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Speaker 1: then immediately loses about the same amount of audience when

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Speaker 1: she goes off. They don't have a single other personality

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Speaker 1: on the network that people make a point of tuning

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Speaker 1: in for as appointment viewing. That's why she was able

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Speaker 1: to extract so much money and so many concessions from them.

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Speaker 1: They've literally got nothing else. Remember, prior to Trump, these

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Speaker 1: networks were completely screwed. They just couldn't get people to

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Speaker 1: tune in. During the twilight years of the Obama presidency,

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: young people realized long ago that they would have a

1094
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Speaker 1: far more accurate view of world events by avoiding cable

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Speaker 1: news altogether, like the plague that it is. But these

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Speaker 1: networks were gifted this incredible villain who leaned into the

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Speaker 1: park and kept an exhausted nation tuned in night after

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Speaker 1: night after night to see the latest ravings from the madman.

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Speaker 1: Russia Gate, of course, was the perfect conspiracy drama. Every

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Speaker 1: night introduced new plot elements, new characters, cliffhangers, with the

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Speaker 1: final traumatic ending where the wrong doors were brought to justice,

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Speaker 1: always just around the corner. Unhinged conspiracy, but make it

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Speaker 1: high brow with ratings elevated by that international spy mystery drama.

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Speaker 1: One would have thought that some breakout star or another

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: would have emerged, someone who could carry the resistance lib

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Speaker 1: torch after Madow's eventual departure, but none did. MSNBC's mindless,

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: repetitive drones were wholly interchangeable and predictable. Not one distinguished

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Speaker 1: themselves in the pack, and now in the Biden era,

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00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: the network is more and more irrelevant. The bad man

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: is gone, and Biden himself ranges from boring to disappointing.

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Speaker 1: If you were a personality driven horse race outlet, he

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Speaker 1: just doesn't give you a whole lot to work with,

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Speaker 1: and the network's paid warm on have mostly panned the

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Speaker 1: only actually good and courageous thing that he's done so far.

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Speaker 1: It's sad that Mattow is being rewarded so richly for

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Speaker 1: spinning a tangled web of conspiracies that has broken the

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Speaker 1: brains of wine moms and the wine mom adjacent across America.

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Speaker 1: It's even sadder that, in a time of profound change,

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Speaker 1: tumult and uncertainty, this supposed bastion and progressive politics really

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Speaker 1: has nothing to say that anyone finds remotely interesting anyway. Instead,

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: it's just a demented pipeline for well intentioned suburbanites to

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Speaker 1: be mainlined propaganda from spooks, war criminals, and propagandists for

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Speaker 1: hours of programming to convince them that their neighbors in

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Speaker 1: reality are little hitlers in waiting. Mattow's show was the

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Speaker 1: tent pole propping up MSNBC's entire prime time lineup. May

1126
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Speaker 1: the entire Potemkin village collapse with her exit from the

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Speaker 1: nightly scene, leaving her dull imitation, scrambling and failing to

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Speaker 1: recreate the magic. More likely, though, they'll just team up

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Speaker 1: with CNN to will another Trump president see into existence

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Speaker 1: and keep the boomer fueled gravy train rolling. And Sager,

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Speaker 1: you know, it kind of went under the radar that

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Speaker 1: her show is ending. One more thing, I promise, just

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast with

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Speaker 1: Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we

1135
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Speaker 1: do long form interviews with people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West,

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Speaker 1: and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform,

1137
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: or you can subscribe over on substack to get the

1138
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Speaker 1: video a day early. We're going to stop bugging you

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Speaker 1: now enjoy all right, Sager, what are you looking at? Well?

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Speaker 1: Some of you may recall that in the video announcing

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Speaker 1: Crystal and I were going independent, I mentioned one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons we wanted to do so was so we

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Speaker 1: didn't just have to chase views, but so we could

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Speaker 1: focus on more substantive issues that belie the news cycle

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Speaker 1: and our economy. I specifically pointed to semiconductors, as you

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Speaker 1: all know, one of my personal obsessions, because they are

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Speaker 1: the electronic backbone of the new economy. He who controls

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Speaker 1: semiconductors controls the future. Not quite true yet, but it

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Speaker 1: will be in my opinion, and that's what I want

1150
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Speaker 1: to take you on a tour of today, one of

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01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: the most brazen views yet into the corporate battles of

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: the future and a development which has immense implications for

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Speaker 1: the future. They're calling it the semiconductor Heist of the Century. Dramatic,

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Speaker 1: I know, but once you learn the details, you'll be

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Speaker 1: as outraged and as afraid as I am. So the

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Speaker 1: company in question is known as ARM or ARM. They

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Speaker 1: are widely regarded as the most important semiconductor intellectual property firm.

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Speaker 1: Their IP is in cars, it's in Amazon, cell phones, AI, everything,

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Speaker 1: pretty much everything Intel semi analysis they point towards clearly

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Speaker 1: an important company right now, as we have learned with

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Speaker 1: the car shortage, the PS five shortage, and more, the

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Speaker 1: entire US economy can grind to a halt without these things. Now,

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Speaker 1: prior to twenty sixteen, ARM was a British controlled company,

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Speaker 1: but corporations are going to corporation, and in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: it was acquired by a Japanese firm, SoftBank. You probably

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Speaker 1: know SoftBank from their storied roles in the drama Behind

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: and We Work an Uber pouring Saudi cash into the

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Speaker 1: startups to create the veneer success and eventually having the

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Speaker 1: bottom foul out of both. Now, SoftBank's plan to make

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Speaker 1: ARM even more money is the same thing that they

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Speaker 1: did with Uber. They wanted them to enter the Chinese market,

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Speaker 1: so in their infinite wisdom, they created a joint venture.

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Speaker 1: It was called ARM Holdings and they sold fifty one

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Speaker 1: percent to Chinese investors for seven hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 1: million dollars. That, per semi analysis, is a paltry sum,

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Speaker 1: but it highlights what it means to do business in China.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as independent business there. All Western

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Speaker 1: businesses have to have Chinese partners that are controlled at

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Speaker 1: the behest of the Chinese state. And this is where

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Speaker 1: things get really crazy. The Chinese branch of ARM it

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Speaker 1: holds much of Arm's intellectual property and designs for the

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Speaker 1: next decade. Well, it's basically been stolen now by the

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Speaker 1: Chinese with zero recourse. I'm really serious. The details are crazy,

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Speaker 1: and they highlight exactly why letting our most valuable technology

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Speaker 1: go to China in the first place, and why business

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Speaker 1: entanglements there are untenable in the long run. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: ARM and a bunch of investors found that the head

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Speaker 1: of their China operation was using his control of the

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Speaker 1: company to attract investments to his other firm, So by

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Speaker 1: a vote of seven to one at the board level,

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Speaker 1: they decided to boot him. There's just one problem that

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Speaker 1: CEO's name is on the Chinese license, So despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that the company wants him gone, Alan Wu, he's

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere because he controls the license. So instead,

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Speaker 1: under Chinese law, he's in control. He fired executives who

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Speaker 1: didn't side with him. He now has security that has

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Speaker 1: kept representatives from his parent company out of the building,

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Speaker 1: and now he's just taking it over. So this culminated

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Speaker 1: this week when ARM China just held an event where

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Speaker 1: they declare their independence. They have a new name now

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Speaker 1: they say they are China's largest CPUIP supplier that is

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Speaker 1: now independently operated as a Chinese owned company now critically

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Speaker 1: the technology that they preview and claim is their own,

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Speaker 1: but really is just the IP and resources of its

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Speaker 1: old company is now being used to deploy billions of

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Speaker 1: cameras across China to fulfill their dream of a fully

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Speaker 1: integrated technological surveillance state, social credit scores, everywhere, everywhere you

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Speaker 1: go is tracked, your travel is restricted, and the state

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Speaker 1: knows everything about everyone, all the way down to the

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Speaker 1: DNA level. So that's it. It's over. They control the

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Speaker 1: company now, as semiconductor people are referring to it, it

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Speaker 1: really is the heist of the century. But it's just

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Speaker 1: the latest example of how China weaponizes Western greed to

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Speaker 1: steal technology and resources only to further their own authoritarian ends.

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Speaker 1: How many times are we going to have to learn

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Speaker 1: the same lesson? Just in July, American investors lost hundreds

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Speaker 1: of billions of dollars in China, hundreds of billions, not

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Speaker 1: because the market went south, but because Chinese companies who

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Speaker 1: went public on American stock exchanges, and then after collecting

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Speaker 1: our money, the government there then cracked down on those

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Speaker 1: companies to make sure that they fell in line. In essence,

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Speaker 1: they iPod here, they stole billions of American dollars and

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Speaker 1: then they just said, actually, never mind. They do it

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Speaker 1: to everybody, Jack Ma, their own Jeff Bezos isn't even free.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is controlled centrally by the state. They'll steal our

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Speaker 1: money and they will smile while doing it. And the

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Speaker 1: worst part is that we continue to let it happen.

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Speaker 1: Money you can replace precious intellectual property which will be

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Speaker 1: used in AI and to run the future that you

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Speaker 1: actually can't. It takes decades of know how and expertise

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Speaker 1: to develop it, and now it's just gone. Let this

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Speaker 1: serve once again as an example of how the greed

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Speaker 1: of the corporate elite is not only making less safe,

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Speaker 1: is making you more poor and vulnerable in the long run.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese understand us much better than we seem to

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Speaker 1: understand ourselves. In fact, they're much smarter than us. After

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Speaker 1: the SEC said that the Chinese companies who iPod in

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Speaker 1: the United States would have to disclose more facts about

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: their data, they said, okay, now all Chinese companies precious

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Speaker 1: data are restricted from ipoing in the United States. In

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: other words, they are fine giving up short term dollars

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Speaker 1: if it makes them more vulnerable in the long run. Notice, look,

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Speaker 1: I am not proposing a war with China. Here's what

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01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Our strategic technology, which we spent billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars on developing, should probably be handled with care. That's it.

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Speaker 1: But that's too radical for Wall Street. Even the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal piece on investors losing billions, they had this line, quote,

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Speaker 1: many US investors remain bullish on China's long term prospect,

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Speaker 1: despite what skeptics say is the difficulty of anticipating Sishingping's move.

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Speaker 1: Why because quote they say they can't afford to miss

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Speaker 1: out on the growth of the economy some investors think

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Speaker 1: is on track to last this decade, to overtake the

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Speaker 1: US as the world's biggest That's it. It's all about

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01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: money to them, and they don't care where they make it.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's not their fault. That's their job, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's actually our job to stand up and say, no,

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Speaker 1: we're the public, this is our future. I just thought

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Speaker 1: it was crazy. Christal, we talked a lot about, you know,

1259
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Speaker 1: these corporate takeovers and more joining us. Now we have

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Speaker 1: independent Jernalless Matt Taiebe has a great substacu Ale should

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Speaker 1: be checking out if you haven't already. Great to see Matt,

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Speaker 1: your Cmat. Good to see you both. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Very good? So your latest piece you make the case

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Speaker 1: that both parties are too corrupt to rescue with regards

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Speaker 1: to the military industrial complex, something I want to argue

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Speaker 1: with you about in a moment, But first I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about an important point that you

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Speaker 1: make in this piece. I'm just going to read from

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Speaker 1: it for a moment. You say, under the influence of

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Speaker 1: captured parties and the military's ubiquitous and extravagantly funded pr apparatus,

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Speaker 1: America has itself redefined the nature of war. Armed conflict

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Speaker 1: has gone from being an occasional, unpleasant political necessity to

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Speaker 1: the core product line of the American corporation. Just expand

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Speaker 1: on that a little bit, because I think it gets

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Speaker 1: to this important point of it's not an accident that

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Speaker 1: we end up mired in these wars forever and facing

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Speaker 1: these questions of like, oh, did we win did we lose? Well?

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Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is the people who were

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Speaker 1: propagating this war one they won because they got billions

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Speaker 1: and billions of dollars and their political allies one because

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,440
Speaker 1: they got lots and lots of campaign contributions and potential

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Speaker 1: employment after they finish their quote unquote public service. So

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Speaker 1: just expand on that point for us. Matt, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really think. I really believe after covering a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories on this subject across the last twenty years, that

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Speaker 1: you can trace a lot of what went wrong in

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan to the fact that we have this continually expanding

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Speaker 1: massive defense budget. We are continually expanding our footprint of

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Speaker 1: bases overseas. We have eight hundred bases in eighty different countries,

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Speaker 1: we have special Forces operations, and you know, and as

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Speaker 1: many as seventy percent of the world's countries at any

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Speaker 1: given time. And this is a this is a direct

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Speaker 1: consequence of there being so many bureaucratic actors who have

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Speaker 1: any interest in there being a mission. So when we

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 1: have a situation like Afghanistan, we may have a limited

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: mission at the beginning, which is either to go in

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: and root out al Qaedo or to get bin Laden.

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Speaker 1: But once all those different bureaucratic actors within the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: get their hands on the mission and they start saying

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: things like, well, we got to build roads, we got

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: to build a stable economy, we got to build independent

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: radio stations. Next thing, you know, you have this outgrowth

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: of a mission that just never ends. And that's kind

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: of the direction of where American military conflicts go. Now.

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01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: It's just we're just built to create these occupations that

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: don't have a definable mission and never end. Here's something

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Speaker 1: that you write. I think we have a tear sheet.

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: Let's put that up there on the screen just so

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: people can see exactly what you wrote. We need new

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: institutions free of Pentagon influence, probably starting with a new

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: political party. It doesn't even matter so much what such

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: a party would stand for ideologically, as long as it

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: adheres to one basic principle, don't accept contractor money. Why

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: is it do you think that a new party is

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: necessary given the events of the last couple of weeks

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: and what we've seen in terms of how both parties

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01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: were actually not just comfortable, but exceedingly appreciative of forever War. Well,

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 1: I mean I developed that idea a long time ago.

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: I did a story a couple of years ago about

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: the inability of the Pentagon to conform with a legally

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: mandated audit. It had been ordered back in nineteen I

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: think ninety two to audit itself and it's been putting

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: it off ever since and declared itself inaudible a couple

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01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: of years ago. And when I talked to AIDS in

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: Congress about this, they said, the reason we'll never get

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: an audit of the Pentagon is because all of the

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01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: relevant members of all the relevant committees depend on cash

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: from the Big five contractors that will never end. And

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: so because of that, we'll never be able to threaten

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: the Pentagon with cutting off their funds, which means we'll

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: never be able to get them to do anything like

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01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: do proper accounting. And so as long as you have

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: the key committees taking money from these contractors, you're never

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: going to get movement on key issues involving military policy.

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. And so as little

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Speaker 1: as I think there is perspective for a third party

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01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,959
Speaker 1: to really have influence, we either have to get comfortable

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: with the idea that these kinds of things are never

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: going to end, or we have to figure out some

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: way to get rid of corporate money in politics, and

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: specifically this kind of money in politics. So you go

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: through what was basically done to Bernie in the Democratic primary,

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, of course, first in twenty sixteen and then

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01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: this time around, which is all true. And I do

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01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: not claim that the prospect of sort of taking over

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party with a Sanders like movement is an

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01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: easy or clear cut prospect whatsoever, but it seems like

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01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: it has a a track record of coming a lot

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: closer than the third Party does at this point. And

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: in fact, you could say on the Republican side that

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Trump did actually manage to do it. It just turned

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: out that he was exactly the same as every other

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: Republican and is now putting out statements saying we should

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01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: reinvade in Afghanistan to get our jeeps back or some

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 1: insanity like that. But they didn't know that at the time. Okay,

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: elites did not want this guy to win the Republican nomination,

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: and he did it and would have been able to

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: remake the Republican Party in him his image. So doesn't

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: it seem a lot more likely that you could affect

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01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: that kind of change through the Sanders or Trump direction

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01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: than starting a whole third party from scratch, which doesn't

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: have a track record of success or anything close to

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: it in the modern era. Yeah, I think it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I think you could argue that there have been close

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Speaker 1: calls also with somebody like Ross Perrow, who was once

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: leading in the polls. If Donald Trump had run as

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01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: an independent, if Bernie Sanders, who is an independent, had

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: run as an independent, we might have had a similar result.

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Speaker 1: But overall, it doesn't really matter to me whether it

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: comes from within the system or through a third party.

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Speaker 1: The important thing is there has to be some kind

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: of political institution that doesn't take the money. And you know,

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: whether that's from a billionaire who doesn't need the money,

1374
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump running a campaign free of the dictates

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: of donors, which actually did happen, you know, I mean

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01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: he did run the campaign that he wanted to run,

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: or whether it's Bernie Sanders, you know, doing the kind

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01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: of campaign that he did, which was based on the

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01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: idea of not taking the money and he ended up

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: being the leading fundraiser, which which was an extraordinary accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: So the elements are there, and you add to that

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: the voter sentiment which is clearly in the direction of

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01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: not doing these kinds of engagements anymore. There's something there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible, it just has It's a logistical

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: thing that has to be worked out. Why do you

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: think Joe Biden was able to do this thing? Why

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: do you think he did this thing? And listen, Joe

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01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: Biden increased the military budget. He's still a du in

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01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: drone strikes murdering civilians, he's still bombing Syria. I mean,

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: let's not pretend like he's an anti imperialist now. But

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: this is a very difficult thing to do. The media

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01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: through everything at him, deep State, leaking against him, with everything,

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: although the women and the girls, and the equipment and

1394
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: every angle that they could possibly think of, and yet

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: he's still held firm and ended the engagement when he

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: said he was going to end the engagement. Why do

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: you think that that is? Yeah, that's an interesting question.

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01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,879
Speaker 1: I think Afghanistan. You know, look, it's been ten years

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: since we had even a theoretical reason to be to

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: be in Afghanistan. I mean, you know, once Bin Laden

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: was out of the picture, there was no logical reason

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01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: for us to be there anymore. And it's been nothing

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: but a catastrophe. And that war is no longer you know, popular,

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a political loser for every party. Donald Trump actually

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: scored quite quite a significant amount of points by talking

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: about ending it. I think it's just internally within the

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01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: Pentagon and within DC, there was a lot of discussion like, look,

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01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: we got to move on from this one. Like even

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01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: though there's still a lot of howling from the Bill

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: Crystal types on TV about how we have to stay

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: or we have to keep in the middle Road, you know, idea,

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: which is insane, and it's amazing that that's still popping up.

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: I think that's more about making sure that we don't

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01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: leave early in the next engagement than it is about

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: realistically going back into Afghanistan. I think that it's just

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01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: a it's a propaganda reflex from these people. They know

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01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: it's over in Afghanistan. The public is just not behind

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: it anymore. So what is the I think the most

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: distressing part to me of this whole episode is it

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01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: really showed me mad. And I'm curious for what you

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: think because you covered it actually more at the time

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: and I wasn't there, Which is that actually the media

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: is still very cool with Forever War. They still push

1424
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: it the same assumptions, the same liars are elevated despite

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01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: the fact that we knew they were lying all the

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01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: way back since two thousand and four. I mean, from

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01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: a journalistic point of view, what has it been like

1428
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: to watch the media behave in this way and just

1429
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: show you about how almost fruitless it is. Is that

1430
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: even with the public behind this decision or you know, okay, fine,

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: the theoretical decision, not the withdrawal whatever for the people

1432
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: out there who might get upset, but in general, to

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: watch them not really move an inch, what does that

1434
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: tell us about, like how much work we have left

1435
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: to do. It's incredible how wide the dichotomy is between

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: where the national media is on these issues and where

1437
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: the public is. And I think it's starks with this issue.

1438
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's comparable with things like Wall Street reform,

1439
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: but this is the worst. I mean, the media was

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01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent all in on going into Iraq, you know,

1441
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle. They went so far

1442
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 1: as to on hire Jesse Ventura and fire Phil Donnie

1443
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: you to make sure that it was like totally unanimity

1444
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: back then, and you know, and on on Afghanistan, except

1445
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: for the you know, the Afghanistan paper story which was

1446
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 1: I think a fantastic piece of journalism that the Washington

1447
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: Post needs a lot of credit for sticking to the

1448
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: press just isn't where the public is on this. If

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01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: you traveled around the country in twenty sixteen when Trump

1450
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: was actually scoring a lot of points talking about NATO

1451
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: and forever war, even though he was a totally insincere

1452
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: the press has never caught up to that sentiment. And

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01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: that's I think that says a lot, among other things,

1454
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: about the influence that the Pentagon the intelligence services still

1455
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: have over these big media companies. You just can't get

1456
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: booked on a big cable show if you have any

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01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: kind of any any war leanings at all. And that's

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 1: that's been true going back to the early two thousands,

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01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: which I think is an amazing thing. Well, and Russia Gate,

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01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: as you have chronicled quite extensively, brought a lot of

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01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: these people back and elevated them with a liberal to

1462
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: progressive audience in a way that when you have a

1463
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: situation like this, turns out to be extraordinarily damaging. My

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: last question for you, Matt, is is it enough to

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: end the contractor money in political campaigns, Because another one

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01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: of the motivations is after you finish your quote unquote

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01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: public service as a member of Congress, a lot of

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: people let these people go and work in the defense industry,

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01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: or they go and sit on a board. So even

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01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: if you're not getting campaign cash, there continues to be

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: a monetary incentive to carry water for these people. Yeah,

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01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 1: and I think we saw that pretty graphically with Jay Johnson.

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, he was he was appearing on television as

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: the you know, the former DHS director, and it was

1475
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: conveniently left doubt that he is on the on the

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01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: board of raytheon currently as he was talking talking about

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: the middle ground, you know, as a as a realistic

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01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: way of doing things. Yeah. Look, that's obviously the same

1479
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of problem that exists with Financial Services reform, which

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: is that if you work in the Relevant Committe, if

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01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 1: you work in the Armed Services Committee, if you work

1482
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: in Senate appropriations, especially Armed Services appropriations, you have a

1483
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: guaranteed seven figure income the instant you leave Congress. You

1484
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: can go and sit on the boards of any one

1485
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,679
Speaker 1: of those companies. And it's it's a it's a plum

1486
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: job that a lot of these these members of Congress

1487
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: goes straight to h they end up being essentially permanent lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: And it's also true of people in the Pentagon like

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Speaker 1: that's that's become a major part of what military service

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Speaker 1: is all about. If you rise high enough in the

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Speaker 1: procurement side of the military, then you leave and you

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Speaker 1: go and you go to work for Lockheed Martin or

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Speaker 1: you go to work for BAE or Raytheon or whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, and that's how you make your money. And yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right so that there has to be something done

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Speaker 1: about that. I don't know what it would be, like

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Speaker 1: a longer wait period, but it's definitely a huge problem. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I have a fairly radical view on this. I think

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Speaker 1: these people should get a pension, and I think that

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Speaker 1: should be it. I think you we should take serious

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Speaker 1: the idea that they're public servants. If you want to serve,

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Speaker 1: this is part of what you agree to. This is

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Speaker 1: part of the sacrifice that's required. Mean, think of what

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Speaker 1: we ask casually ask our servicemen and women to do.

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Speaker 1: Asking you to just accept a government pension and that's

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Speaker 1: it for the rest of your days to me, doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like too much, too great of an ask, That's right,

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Speaker 1: It makes sense to me. Yeah, absolutely, Matt. Always great

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Speaker 1: to have you. Thank you so much, my friend, and

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Speaker 1: everybody go check out a substack as always if you

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Speaker 1: haven't already. Always great insights there. Thank you, Matt, all right,

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Speaker 1: thanks Crystal Sager, take care, take care. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for watching. We really appreciate it. It's just been Look,

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Speaker 1: it's a solemn show, I think, you know, to be

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Speaker 1: able to bring Afghanistan, the Afghanistan news to everybody. The

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Speaker 1: war is actually over, and it means a lot that

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Speaker 1: we have an ability in order to report it exactly

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Speaker 1: the way that we wanted to do. So thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for your support. You know link is

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Speaker 1: down there in the description to become a premium subscriber

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Speaker 1: today and all of that. It's just been really one

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Speaker 1: of those episodes that crystallize to me, crystallized why we

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Speaker 1: do what we do here every day. So thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. And Crystal, I'm gonna miss you. You'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week, so nobody worry. Marshall will be here

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Speaker 1: with me. It's going to be a great time, taking

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Speaker 1: a little time for the long weekend. Guys. I'll be

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Speaker 1: back here on Thursday, and you're gonna be off on

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Speaker 1: Monday for labor days. Right, we'll take labor. You'll be

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Speaker 1: here in the studio with Marshall on Thursday, which would

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Speaker 1: be a great show as well. Marshall has great insights too.

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Speaker 1: See you guys very soon. Enjoy. We love you. We're

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Speaker 1: so grateful for you. Have a good one. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to the show. Guys, we really appreciate it. To

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