WEBVTT - N.E.S.K - New England Serial Killer - What We Know So Far 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:07.880 Quality times, but Joseph's gotten more. I've often thought about 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.280 this because I see such a broad swath of true 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.599 crime coverage and information about a variety of different deaths. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.479 You know, the country might be focused on, say, for instance, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:26.720 one thing that's going on like right now at the 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.720 time of this taping, and we've got like the Karen 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.000 Reid trial going on. We've got a variety of other 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.000 things involving Coburger and Hureman and all these things that 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.720 are waiting in the wings. There's a lot of ink 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.720 being slung about. And I've often thought over the years, 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:53.360 do we develop patterns as a consumer consumer public as 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.720 it applies to true crime. And the reason I ask 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.640 that to my cell is that do we get so 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:09.240 caught up in cases where because they're in the public 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.200 I that maybe other things will be forgotten. I'll give 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.759 you a great example, and I've talked about this case 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.360 extensively and been on various television shows and stuff, And 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:26.240 that's a piked and masker back from sixteen up in 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:33.720 southern Ohio. You had eight family members killed in that case, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.240 and hardly an ounce of ink was spilt over it. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.319 But yet you had other things that were singular deaths 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:46.000 where the coverage was just intense, you know, things like 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.440 I don't know the Jody Arias case going back to 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.360 twenty thirteen. It all depends on what hits, you know 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.080 what I mean. Right now, we're in the middle of 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:01.160 the Hureman case, which is lisk in Gilgo Beach, and 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.240 it's all the rage. Everybody wants to talk about it, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:11.480 as well as should. But you know, there's another group 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:17.920 of deaths that have made their way into the news cycle, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:25.080 and some people are hinting that there might be a 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.280 serial killer on the loose in a specific region of 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:34.760 our country. Now are these deaths related, I don't know. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.919 Is that a consequence of maybe all of the news 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:43.960 about human I don't know, or is their validity to this? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.359 Are people putting two and two together? Let's chat about it. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:56.520 I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body bags. I 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:03.079 think that as humans day, our lives are all about patterns. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.000 You know, there's certain ways that we go about things. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.120 There's certain things that we view, there's certain things that 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.800 we consume and read and all of those and you know, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.600 I think about things that you know, for instance, that 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:22.520 I watch on YouTube. I watch generally nothing political. I 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:28.480 watch nothing about true crime unless it's something that i'm studying. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.640 Most of the time, the stuff that I direct myself 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.640 toward is history. You know, I love to study history 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.000 in the classics, and that's a pattern I've developed over 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.240 the years. You've been in media for a long time, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.040 and you've been I don't know, I love this old term. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.440 I would classify you as a newsman. You were, You 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.680 were a news reader for many years and have covered 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.520 news all over the country, and I'm just I'm curious. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.960 Do you do you think the media develops pattern. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.640 Yes, I'm more of a I am more of a 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.440 commentator than a news reader. And the reason is real basics. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.600 I've had to explain this to my family recently, and 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.200 that is as far as reading goes, I'm a voracious reader. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.360 I read a lot, but I don't read word for word. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.440 I paraphrase as I read, and you can't do that 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.880 when you're a news anchorman. I'm not a news anchorman. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.800 I am actually a reporter, journalist, and a commentator. So 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.000 I ended up on Nancy Show to start with. You know, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:32.360 you have an expertise that very few people possess. And 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.279 because it comes from an education in the classroom, and 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.480 it comes in from work in the field and by 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:42.680 the way, being successful at both at the academics and 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.039 in the field, and you're able to bring that together 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.920 and then you have that next level talent of being 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.120 able to make people like me understand what it is 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.680 you're talking about. And I don't even think you realize 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.640 how good you are at what you do. And I'm 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.440 coming from broadcasting end of it, Joe, You're able to 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.479 take like I'm excited about doing this particular show because 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.840 it has the broadcasting end of it, the angle. We've 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.200 named it already, Nesk. You mentioned the Long Island serial 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.240 killer RECs hereman calling it LISK. This one has already 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:22.120 been named NESK. The New England serial Killer is their one. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.240 And this story has gotten legs because of social media. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.960 There are Facebook pages devoted to it, and Twitter accounts 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.599 and x accounts and tiktoks are being devoted and we're 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:41.560 talking thousands of people by the day asking questions about 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:47.080 this story. We have right now six six female bodies 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:57.880 recovered between March sixth and April tenth in one area 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:58.840 of the northeast. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:05.200 So wow, we've only tight that's a very tight window 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.960 from yes, Tom sequencing as far as it is, and it's. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.680 Recent, it's right now. I mean it's like, you know, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.000 we're talking two weeks ago, Joe, when you and I 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.960 were up in East Hampton, right, what was the name 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.960 of the place that we landed in ice Lip? 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.520 Right? The Long Island. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:26.799 Yeah, one of our victims actually is from there, and 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.080 we were just there a couple of weeks ago as 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.520 a couple of these bodies were being recovered on April 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:38.480 ninth and April tenth. So this is a somewhat media 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.680 generated event, but it's coming from the ground swell of 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:48.000 true crime people, armchair detectives, if you will. Something you 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.360 and I talked about at a conn a conference, how 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.480 not important, but how impactful it is that some stories 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.760 get attention while others don't. And now you know you 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.600 mentioned piked in I. Until you and I talked about it, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.239 I did nothing about it. I knew nothing about that story. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.000 And then when I got into it, I'm like, how 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:09.560 do we. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:10.680 Not know about this? 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:12.880 But Joe, there are stories that you and I have 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.960 covered and spent many hours on that other people are 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.600 going When did that happen was that and you're going 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.040 it happened three weeks ago, you know that kind of thing. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.280 So it's hit and missed with a lot of You have. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.640 To run, You have to run to keep up many times. 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.680 And it's I don't know if you concur with this, 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:35.240 but it's almost like there are rarely cases where a 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.440 gigantic gate comes down and you have to stop what 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.360 you're doing and you focus everything on those cases. You know, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:49.040 you look at lisk with Long Island, Long Island serial 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:54.760 Killer so called, you think about that, and you might 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.080 if you look at it chronologically, you know, from the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.320 first body that was found until the very life asked. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.760 I don't know that there was like some huge gait 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.840 that descended and everybody stopped and looked. It took a 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.720 long time and a lot of people grinding over the scene, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.880 and not just not just the law enforcement people, but 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.040 people in the media that knew that something was up 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.480 and they tried to keep the story alive. And I 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.360 think the one it's I think, I'm just curious if 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.720 this is if this is fertile ground for a cautionary tale, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:36.320 because I'm worried. I'm worried about this based upon somebody 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.960 that has assessed cerial homicides, okay, over the course of 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.120 my career, and I'm trying to understand is because there's 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.960 just certain things that we look for now. I just 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.600 want to know if those elements are there. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.560 And that's why I am so thankful that you have 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.360 the time to do this, because I'm watching members of 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:01.720 the media and they are salivating over Nesk the New 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.480 England serial killer. And my first question, Joe, is this 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.120 something that you're familiar with, not the way it's being covered, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.680 but are you familiar with serial killers and figuring out 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.400 what happened? Is this something you've worked before, Is it 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.680 something you can teach? Is it What are we actually 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.640 doing when it comes to this, because we've got armchair 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.280 detectives with no education and no background that are making 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:31.080 accusations and casting us versions and creating a media serial killer. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:37.400 Yet we've got three females identified that remains identified. We're 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:42.040 talking about somebody's mother, somebody's daughter, somebody's sister that we 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.120 didn't find, a body we found remains Yeah, I think 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.840 there's a bit of a difference. I need you to 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.680 help me. I need you to explain to me what 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.800 a serial killer is, how do you identify that? And 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:53.680 does this fit? 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.839 Yeah? Well, if okay, let's just say if all of 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.000 the these cases are related, Yeah, it meets the classic 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:07.560 definition three or more, and that number has varied for years. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.760 I think at one point in time the number was 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.920 higher and then they reduced it. And I think it 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.240 was reduced by the people at the Behavioral Sciences Unit 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.440 in Quantico with FBI, they pulled it back down to three. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.520 I might be wrong about that, but I think initially 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:30.040 the number was higher. So yeah, from that, from that 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:36.320 basic precept, yeah, this would be this would qualify as 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:43.440 a series of serialized homicides. But we still we're just 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.880 this case. We don't even know that these are homicides 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.360 at this point in time. We don't because I got 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.920 to be honest with you, I don't know about you. 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:58.120 Everything I've read, I haven't seen a cause of death yet, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.960 I Joe, you know, and I just you know, what 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.160 I know is that we've got there's a big similarity here, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.920 because well, let's just look at it geographically. You know, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:15.440 it's the northeast, and you can I don't know, I 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.920 guess you could say that you could proverbial throw a 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:22.480 proverbial hat over the areas. I think that most of 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.520 the areas where these women's bodies have been found are 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.199 like in a one hundred mile radius or maybe a 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.960 little bit more. Yeah, so, yeah, geographically it could fit, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.640 but we're missing huge pieces here. You know, every serialized 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:44.000 homicide I've ever worked, and I'm thinking back right now, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.440 over the course of my career in New Orleans, I 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:57.559 think I worked three sets of serial killings down there 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:06.520 somewhere somewhere. On one case in particular, I just knew 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.480 that there were probably hundreds of bodies up and down 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.360 IT ten and the guy had been called the IT 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.839 ten killer a variety of names. I had another set 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:21.400 that guy killed six women and he was caught actually 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.720 dumping the body in the same location where he dumped 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.280 all the other ones. The sheriff's office finally set up 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.240 a hide and was watching literally saw it caught him 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.120 pulling a body out of the trunk of a car. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.320 That's kind of like Wayne will Williams in Atlanta. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.839 Yeah, yeah, with splashing the water. Yeah. And then there 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.160 were there was another set and my memory fails me 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.480 on that one. But when I got to Atlanta. Yeah, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.760 we had several Memorial Drive killer was killing prostitutes. We 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.280 had the Von City Killer. There were like two or 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.560 three other ones too that we thought were cereal serial related. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:12:59.840 And you know, the thing about it is is that 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.120 you have to establish a pattern. And I think one 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.000 of the big missing pieces here is that we don't 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.640 if we don't have a causal statement relative to what 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.040 brought about these deaths. That's a big piece, okay, because 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:20.240 most serial killers, they have a preference for how they 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.000 take people's lives. I'll give you an example. The guy 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.600 was telling me about it was pulling the bodies out 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.959 of the trunk of the car. He loved to use 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:34.679 wire to use as a groat around the necks of 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:40.720 these prostitutes, and he would drug them beforehand, and then 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.560 the groat is essentially got a one little handle and 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.640 you can tighten it down, loosen it, and he would 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.839 loosen it multiple times. He was driving pleasure from this 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.920 guy was a sadist and filled with a lot of anger. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.040 He'd kill women. Every time he got into a fight 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.600 with his fiance. He wouldn't attack her. You go out 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.079 and find it prostituct killer, Oh. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.160 My gosh, yeah, no, using the garroat like that. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.320 Yeah, the guy, the clown in Chicago that buried the 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:11.720 gay sy. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:12.520 That's what he used. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.280 He would play all kinds of little tricks and things 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.040 to get the handcuff. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.160 Trick and all of that. And yeah, and he and 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.680 again he was another guy that hadn't come to terms 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.760 with his own homosexuality. Is very angry. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:24.920 Uh. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.400 And he would use ligatures, which a groat is a 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.760 form of a ligature, or bare hands. But you know, 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:38.360 you're thinking about suffocation or strangulation. I've you know, And 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.080 it's interesting, Dave. You know that the line share of 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.560 the cases that I worked involved a SIXIA. I never 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.440 had like a I don't know what's the guy's name 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.360 up in New York, Son, Sam, I never had, you know, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.920 they called him the forty four caliber killer. I never 0:14:55.000 --> 0:15:00.200 worked serial killings that involved handguns or rifles even you know, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.240 it's just firearms. I don't think I ever worked Yeah, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.240 I don't think I ever worked a case involved in 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.080 serial killing with an edged weapon. They now, I've had 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.720 multiple people killed by one person wielding an edge weapon, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.520 but not like a series of going out and stabbing 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.680 somebody or cutting their throats and that sort of thing. 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.280 I didn't realize you'd worked so many, Okay, I didn't 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.880 think there were that many serial killings, like when you 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.360 started naming them off, you know, Yeah, I didn't realize 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.960 there were that many, And I certainly didn't know you 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.040 had had this was part and parcel of your Yeah. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.960 And I think about it with serial killings dependent upon 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.160 their geographic positioning, I think that it's more the exception. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.480 And somebody's going to gig me on this, I know, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.200 it seems to me that it's more the exception than 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.360 the norm to have somebody that's like a BTK that's 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.080 settled in a community, has been there for years and 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.320 years and is not moving about to hunt prey. You know, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.920 they're hunting in the one little area. And I know 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.280 people say that they hunt with areas they're familiar with, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.520 But if you look at long haul truckers, where are 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.880 they familiar with, Well, they're familiar with their truck, that's 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.200 their moving house, and they're familiar with truck stops, and 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.760 so you get that, you know, quite a bit. So 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.720 there's kind of a mish mash out there. Just like 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.920 over the years, there's been a a mish mash or 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.320 not not a mishmash, but kind of a confusion about 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.400 the number of kills that it takes to be classified 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.840 as a serial killer. This area that we're talking about 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:37.080 in the Northeast day, my gosh, there are interstates running everywhere, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.920 and so, you know, I was talking about, you know, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:44.920 kind of throwing the proverbial hat on this. If you're 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.119 thinking about, you know, an area that's kind of circling 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:54.000 a particular location. How can they get in, how can 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.400 they get out? What's the geography like, where are they 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:02.440 found relative to roadways, what's the terrain like where they're recovered. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.840 Are they just being dumped out inside the road? Are 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.400 they being placed in water? Which one of these cases 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.800 I know was found in a river. So there's a 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.520 lot to consider here, But this is what I do 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.719 know at this point in time. I do know that 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.560 I don't have a cause of death on these victims, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:29.480 and I also know that to that end, I don't 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:36.320 know if there is a connectivity between the types of death, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.399 the instrumentality that may or may not have been used, 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.800 and also is there a common denominator relative to the 0:17:44.840 --> 0:18:02.440 perpetrator thing being called again, David was Immedia. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.960 It's being called NESTS stands for New England serial Killer. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.200 One thing I did want to pop in here with 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.080 Joe because I looked it up. You were and I 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.560 were talking about I twenty and you were right. It 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.000 ends in Texas at the intersection of I ten and 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.520 I thought it was in West Texas. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.320 So there you go. But yeah, the law there you 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:22.639 got the. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.639 Long Island serial killer, which has been in the news now, 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.960 to be honest with you, for a long time, it was, 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.320 you know, from It's been called different things too, and 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.000 I still think there could be another person involved. But 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.560 and the other question, do you really think Hureman stopped? 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.520 But that's another day. Now we've got this New England 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.640 serial killer story and the reason is we have six 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.520 women who have been found. Now, I want to be 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.440 really clear and how I asked this show, when I 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.960 asked you about serial killers and how many serial killer 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:07.399 cases you've worked, and is there a commonality among the 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.600 victims as well as the perpetrator that. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.680 You can creator? Yeah, I can't. And I'm only talking 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.399 about my little slice supply, all right. I don't have 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:24.000 the forty thousand foot view that the FBI has I'm 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.480 just talking about my little slice suppie the areas I 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.840 worked in. Okay, my commonality perpetrator, I've the best of 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.880 my knowledge, at least, I never had a female perpetrator. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:39.200 They were all males, and with the exception of the 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.800 Vine City killings in Atlanta, who were all elderly ladies, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:51.080 which is disgusting on another level, entirely, they were prostitutes 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.399 almost to a person, you know, I didn't have this 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.520 kind of like you have would BTK where he's randomly targeting. 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:04.560 I mean literally, you know, the first the first victims 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.520 that he claimed were literally a nuclear family. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.920 I was gonna say it was a family in the base, Yeah. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.640 Yeah, Terra and they he went in and walked out 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:21.040 the lot. And so, you know, it's it's always been 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.879 in my case, at least, it's always been female prostitutes. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.280 I haven't I have not know. I have had friends 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.240 that have worked or colleagues that have worked cases involving 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:37.040 male prostitutes. Over the years. Myself, it's always been female prostitutes. 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:41.200 The line share of them have been you know, living 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.480 on the streets, had very and this is kind of 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:50.080 a classic profile, had very little contact with their biological family. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.080 Matter of fact, many times families wouldn't even know what 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.320 had happened to him. That's what makes them such easy prey. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.200 But I don't you know as of right now, where 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.000 you know if they're building out a profile. And I 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.600 would assume that some of the authorities have reached out 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.000 and I've got a big clue to that, and I'm 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.520 going to reveal it to you about trying to build 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.320 out a profile. If they are believing that these are 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:17.399 a serialized event, you're going to want to know what 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.920 these individuals backgrounds are, and you know, if there's some 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:26.080 kind of commonality. Now the reason that I think that 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.120 a profile could be built out, and again, we don't 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.080 know everything the police know at this time, and we 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.240 should not know everything that the police know. You know, 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:39.600 these are outside so horses that are putting together these things. Okay, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.040 so the police. This is the way it generally works. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.120 If you have a serialized event and it's multi jurisdictional, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.240 the first thing you're going to do is that there 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.240 will generally be a task force formed in a single jurisdiction. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.840 So let's say you've got multiple bodies that are found 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.240 in the state of Connecticut. Okay, Well, under the auspices 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.720 of the state, they can get together and they will 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:08.320 form a task force within that state. All right, Now, 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.399 if you've got one case, which there is one case 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:17.800 in this group that they've identified as nests that originates 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.520 out of Rhode Island, Dave, that person will not necessarily 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.720 be on the task force. And then there's another case. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.840 There's cases out of Massachusetts and I think New Hampshire 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.639 as well, So you've got it's multi jurisdictional. So how 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.560 do you unite all of these people? Well, first off, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.120 you have to be able to prove that there's connectivity 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:45.960 with physical evidence, cause of death, typology of the way 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:50.320 they were found, what was perpetrated against them, and that 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.880 includes things like any kind of instruments that we use, 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:55.960 Was there any kind of posing that was done with 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.399 the bodies, where they missing closed, where they all clothed, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.720 was their clothing manipulated, were there any kind of post 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:10.159 mortem amputations that people taking trophies, anything like that. And 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.600 then what would happen is the next tier with this 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.960 will be the FEDS, and it'll be like the FBI. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.560 They would form a federal task force and the FBI 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:23.879 would begin to work probably on a profile of not 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.600 just the victims, but also the potential perpetrator here. So 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:29.480 there's a lot of things that have to get into 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:34.159 motion in order to get everybody going in the correct direction. 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.880 One things I found out about being on a task force, 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.600 and again I'm just a corner medical examiner kind of guy. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.680 I wasn't like going out and arresting people I was examining. 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.800 Remains the one thing that I have found though, and 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.040 I was always fascinated by, was with these task force 0:23:53.840 --> 0:24:00.560 there is ego comes into it big time because everybody 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.399 wants everybody wants the claim to fame if it turns 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.760 out to be Let's just say, for instance, like with Lisk, 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.480 if you've got a multi jurisdictional thing, you know, everybody 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.680 would like to say, well, you know, we're the people 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:18.879 that stopped Lisk. Okay, same thing would apply here. You 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:20.760 have to remain You have to have a leader of 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:22.520 the group that's going to keep you focused on what 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.760 the task is at hand. So if you've got this 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.080 really divergent group of women we're talking six here, three 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.720 of which are still unidentified to this point, are you 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.680 going to be able to jam down those egos and 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.800 stay focused, like a laser, focus on what the task 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:44.640 is and that is ultimately getting this monster off the streets. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:47.840 All right now, I've got a question for you because 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.320 we do have a lot of We have a lot 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.320 of information, and I think I already told you this. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.840 We have three of the remains identified and three not identified. 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.320 So let me start with the one woman, not the 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.840 first one to go missing. Because even though they were 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.359 all found in the last month or so, in the 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.600 last several weeks, that doesn't mean they were killed right 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:17.640 away or that they died right away. 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.520 We don't even know they were killed. We just know 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.160 we have remains. We don't know if they were murdered. 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.560 You know, we don't know what we do know. 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.040 Like Page fan In, for example, Page fan In's body 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:32.119 was found on March the sixth page is from this 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.879 is the lady I was talking about from Icelip that 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:39.679 you and I flew into and she was reported missing 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.359